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Re: Anti Virus

Gene
 

I'm not sure what you are referring to.  If you have an adequate firewall, you can remain connected to the Internet indefinitely.  Just being connected and not doing anything online won't expose you to malware as long as your firewall is adequate.  A lot of people leave their computers on for long periods of time and don't have to format as a result. 
 
There is a never-ending debate about whether it puts more wear on a machine to leave it on or to turn it off more often but that has no bearing on how often formatting is necessary or desirable. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus

Well one way to make sure you don't get things doing stupid things as
well as configuration is that if you don't need it on turn it off if you
spend more than an hour away from it.
Its how I have kept my system format free for the last  5 years or so.



On 20/11/2016 1:37 p.m., Gene wrote:
> If this is true, it is a disadvantage but for most users, it will make little difference.  If you are unfortunate enough to come in contact with malware very shortly after release, that is, within one day, you would be more likely to be infected.  Most users aren't exposed to new malware that quickly.  While it's better to get frequent updates during the day, most users are not at significantly more danger if they don't.
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> From: Roger Stewart
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:21 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus
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> This just isn't true of Defender at all!  I started my machine at 9:57 AM this morning and it got updates to Defender.  I just checked a few minutes ago, and it got a definition update again and it said that update was created at 10:32 AM.  So I was running an out of date definition database for many hours today.  This is a real problem and needs to be addressed by Microsoft.
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>       Only caution I'd give is to do a manual check for updates several times a day as their virus database is updated several times a day but the program will only check itself once when you start the computer.
>      I have not found this to be the case under Windows 10.  If you open Windows Defender you can see when the last virus definition update has taken place, and that's often very recent even when I've had my machine up and running for days.
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Re: sea cleaner / just using to wipe drives

Gene
 

Please stop changing subject lines unless the subject of the thread changes.  The subject is to tell what the message is about.  Not to give other information.  Changing subject lines means that people who read mail by conversation see a new conversation inaccurately indicated when the subject is the same.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 3:13 PM
Subject: [nvda] sea cleaner / just using to wipe drives

It is working perfectly for that function.

Don’t intend to use it for anything else at this point.

 


Re: Anti Virus

 

Well one way to make sure you don't get things doing stupid things as well as configuration is that if you don't need it on turn it off if you spend more than an hour away from it.
Its how I have kept my system format free for the last 5 years or so.

On 20/11/2016 1:37 p.m., Gene wrote:
If this is true, it is a disadvantage but for most users, it will make little difference. If you are unfortunate enough to come in contact with malware very shortly after release, that is, within one day, you would be more likely to be infected. Most users aren't exposed to new malware that quickly. While it's better to get frequent updates during the day, most users are not at significantly more danger if they don't.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Roger Stewart
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus


This just isn't true of Defender at all! I started my machine at 9:57 AM this morning and it got updates to Defender. I just checked a few minutes ago, and it got a definition update again and it said that update was created at 10:32 AM. So I was running an out of date definition database for many hours today. This is a real problem and needs to be addressed by Microsoft.

Roger







On 11/19/2016 2:47 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:

hi,

The antivirus I use, avira, has an automatic task to check for updates every 2 hours.




On 11/19/2016 8:48 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 08:00 am, Roger Stewart wrote:

Only caution I'd give is to do a manual check for updates several times a day as their virus database is updated several times a day but the program will only check itself once when you start the computer.
I have not found this to be the case under Windows 10. If you open Windows Defender you can see when the last virus definition update has taken place, and that's often very recent even when I've had my machine up and running for days.

This also wasn't the case, at least if I'm recalling correctly, under Windows 8.1 either. It would make absolutely no sense for any modern antivirus program, and Windows Defender is one, to not auto-update its own definitions and, in fact, itself as new releases are released.
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Brian

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~ Lauren Bacall












sea cleaner / just using to wipe drives

Richard Kuzma
 

It is working perfectly for that function.

Don’t intend to use it for anything else at this point.

 


Re: sea cleaner is accessible / thanks

 

Well it cleans enough there are enhancers I have seen that can do more but they slow things down, as well as that piriform do not have any malware bar the google stuff and to be honest thats barely malware, as google has most of its services for free.
Its gotten slightly less accessible than it used to be but its still not that bad.
I mostly use its quick run options and no extra monitoring.

On 21/11/2016 9:35 a.m., Георги Ламбов wrote:
Hi!

CCleaner was always accessible with screen readers! I use this program
until about 5 years and I'm very glad with it. I'm not going to change
it although there are many cleaning programs.

Georgi
На 20.11.2016 г. в 20:54 ч., Brian Vogel написа:

CCleaner <https://www.piriform.com/ccleaner/download/standard>;, a
product of Piriform, was known as "Crap Cleaner" way back when at the
time it was first released. It got changed to CCleaner when it became
a commercial product.

Crap Cleaner is an accurate description of its overall function,
though there are other specific ones such as the drive wiper that are
part of it. The main idea is that it goes through your system looking
for files that it knows often get left behind when programs are
installed/uninstalled, browser cache, etc., and removes them to free
up space.

I hasten to add that it has a Registry Cleaner function that I don't
suggest that anyone use. I used to use it and it never harmed any
machine I used it on, but as I've entered into more and more depth
regarding the registry I have become convinced that the camp that says
registry cleaners can unintentionally introduce many more problems
than they solve is correct. Just because it has the function is not a
good reason to use it.
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If you’re alive, it isn’t./*

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Re: sea cleaner is accessible / thanks

Георги Ламбов <obichamlegiona@...>
 

   Hi!

CCleaner was always accessible with screen readers! I use this program until about 5 years and I'm very glad with it. I'm not going to change it although there are many cleaning programs.

Georgi
На 20.11.2016 г. в 20:54 ч., Brian Vogel написа:

CCleaner, a product of Piriform, was known as "Crap Cleaner" way back when at the time it was first released.  It got changed to CCleaner when it became a commercial product.

Crap Cleaner is an accurate description of its overall function, though there are other specific ones such as the drive wiper that are part of it.  The main idea is that it goes through your system looking for files that it knows often get left behind when programs are installed/uninstalled, browser cache, etc., and removes them to free up space.

I hasten to add that it has a Registry Cleaner function that I don't suggest that anyone use.  I used to use it and it never harmed any machine I used it on, but as I've entered into more and more depth regarding the registry I have become convinced that the camp that says registry cleaners can unintentionally introduce many more problems than they solve is correct.  Just because it has the function is not a good reason to use it.
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Brian

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.

    ~ Lauren Bacall

    




Re: accessible securly disk wiper

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Paragon used to make a disk wiping softeware that was accessible in the windows XP days.  They still have the disk wiping, but it's rolled in with their disk programs (either their partition program or their disk copy program).  Neither one of these programs are 100 percent accessible, but they are likely accessible enough to do the job.  I have both of these programs,, and have used both for various things, though I've not (yet) used either one for wiping a disk, the rest of the utilities are accessible (albeit with some difficulty) with the demo of jaws, though not so much with NVDA which is why I'd been asking about making programs accessible using NVDA scripting.  I have yet to find any way to make an inaccessible program accessible, though I have found multiple ways to make accessible programs inaccessible with NVDA scripting. :)

But anyway, I know this isn't exactly a glowing review of the above programs, but with some effort, they can be made to do what you want, but do be patient.



On 11/20/2016 11:55 AM, Richard Kuzma via Groups.Io wrote:

Good morning,

Does anyone know of any decent accessible disk wiping software?

Thanks

Rich





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Re: NVDA and repeating clickible

Gene
 

Evidently, clickable is now controllable as indicated in the below message.  It didn't used to be but if this change has been made, then a good deal of my last message is no longer relevant.  I do think that clickable is better left on a lot of the time but there are times when it is important to be able to turn it off.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Jacques
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and repeating clickible

Hi, this is a setting that can be toggled on or off. Document settings
with NVDA+ctrl+d, option is called "Clickable" second last option in
this dialogue.

HTH


Jacques

On Sunday, 20 November 2016 20:11, William Sallander wrote:
> Hello everyone:
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> I've been using NVDA along with Google Chrome and Firefox. Everything
> seems to work just fine except for one annoying issue.
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> When I'm in browse mode, I will arrow down through the page and as I go
> through, NVDA keeps repeating the word "clickable". I'm pretty sure why
> it might do it, but I'm wondering if there is a way to tone it down.
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> I'd like to see if this can be fixed because it takes a while to find
> out what link I'm currently on and slows me down some what.
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> Any suggestions?
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Re: NVDA and repeating clickible

Gene
 

I don't think the clickable announcement can be turned off.  I would submit that this should be able to be turned off, just as other notifications can be in document formatting.  Recently, I was taking a quiz and the answers were clickable items, and not links.  It was maddening to hear item after item with clickable repeated time after time after time.  Since most words in the quiz responses were clickable, clickable was spoken before almost every word in the responses.  While I don't think clickable should be turned off most of the time, we should have the choice to silence it when desired. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 12:11 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and repeating clickible

Hello everyone:


I've been using NVDA along with Google Chrome and Firefox. Everything
seems to work just fine except for one annoying issue.

When I'm in browse mode, I will arrow down through the page and as I go
through, NVDA keeps repeating the word "clickable". I'm pretty sure why
it might do it, but I'm wondering if there is a way to tone it down.

I'd like to see if this can be fixed because it takes a while to find
out what link I'm currently on and slows me down some what.

Any suggestions?





Re: sea cleaner is accessible / thanks

 

CCleaner, a product of Piriform, was known as "Crap Cleaner" way back when at the time it was first released.  It got changed to CCleaner when it became a commercial product.

Crap Cleaner is an accurate description of its overall function, though there are other specific ones such as the drive wiper that are part of it.  The main idea is that it goes through your system looking for files that it knows often get left behind when programs are installed/uninstalled, browser cache, etc., and removes them to free up space.

I hasten to add that it has a Registry Cleaner function that I don't suggest that anyone use.  I used to use it and it never harmed any machine I used it on, but as I've entered into more and more depth regarding the registry I have become convinced that the camp that says registry cleaners can unintentionally introduce many more problems than they solve is correct.  Just because it has the function is not a good reason to use it.
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Brian

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.

    ~ Lauren Bacall

    



Re: NVDA and repeating clickible

Dejan Ristic
 

I also encounter it, but if I want to skip the repetition, I press NVDA plus tab to check the focus of an element I am on, and then I continue working so as to prevent it from slowing me down. That's how I get alogn with it, and, if I want to skip it completely (considering the fact that I am familiar with a web-page), I turn the option off, so that the repetition disappears.

On 11/20/2016 7:11 PM, William Sallander wrote:
Hello everyone:


I've been using NVDA along with Google Chrome and Firefox. Everything seems to work just fine except for one annoying issue.

When I'm in browse mode, I will arrow down through the page and as I go through, NVDA keeps repeating the word "clickable". I'm pretty sure why it might do it, but I'm wondering if there is a way to tone it down.

I'd like to see if this can be fixed because it takes a while to find out what link I'm currently on and slows me down some what.

Any suggestions?





Re: sea cleaner is accessible / thanks

Brennen Kinch
 

Remind me I forgot what is C cleaner

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 20, 2016, at 1:09 PM, Richard Kuzma via Groups.Io <rmkuzma@...> wrote:

Very nicely done,

Forgot about this utility completely,

Downloaded and installed it and it is one hundred accessible with nvda so far.

One side note, on the install screen tab around and uncheck install google chrome as your default browser if you don’t want it.

Thanks again

Rich


Re: NVDA and repeating clickible

William Sallander <wsallander@...>
 

Works perfect.

Thanks for the help.

On 11/20/2016 1:21 PM, Jacques wrote:
Hi, this is a setting that can be toggled on or off. Document settings with NVDA+ctrl+d, option is called "Clickable" second last option in this dialogue.

HTH


Jacques

On Sunday, 20 November 2016 20:11, William Sallander wrote:
Hello everyone:


I've been using NVDA along with Google Chrome and Firefox. Everything
seems to work just fine except for one annoying issue.

When I'm in browse mode, I will arrow down through the page and as I go
through, NVDA keeps repeating the word "clickable". I'm pretty sure why
it might do it, but I'm wondering if there is a way to tone it down.

I'd like to see if this can be fixed because it takes a while to find
out what link I'm currently on and slows me down some what.

Any suggestions?






Re: NVDA and repeating clickible

Jacques <lists4js@...>
 

Hi, this is a setting that can be toggled on or off. Document settings with NVDA+ctrl+d, option is called "Clickable" second last option in this dialogue.

HTH


Jacques

On Sunday, 20 November 2016 20:11, William Sallander wrote:
Hello everyone:


I've been using NVDA along with Google Chrome and Firefox. Everything
seems to work just fine except for one annoying issue.

When I'm in browse mode, I will arrow down through the page and as I go
through, NVDA keeps repeating the word "clickable". I'm pretty sure why
it might do it, but I'm wondering if there is a way to tone it down.

I'd like to see if this can be fixed because it takes a while to find
out what link I'm currently on and slows me down some what.

Any suggestions?





NVDA and repeating clickible

William Sallander <wsallander@...>
 

Hello everyone:


I've been using NVDA along with Google Chrome and Firefox. Everything seems to work just fine except for one annoying issue.

When I'm in browse mode, I will arrow down through the page and as I go through, NVDA keeps repeating the word "clickable". I'm pretty sure why it might do it, but I'm wondering if there is a way to tone it down.

I'd like to see if this can be fixed because it takes a while to find out what link I'm currently on and slows me down some what.

Any suggestions?


sea cleaner is accessible / thanks

Richard Kuzma
 

Very nicely done,

Forgot about this utility completely,

Downloaded and installed it and it is one hundred accessible with nvda so far.

One side note, on the install screen tab around and uncheck install google chrome as your default browser if you don’t want it.

Thanks again

Rich


Re: accessible securly disk wiper

 

Rich, with the transition to universal apps and the like, I never know how accessible any given program might be to someone in the abstract.

You could certainly try out CCleaner Standard Free to see if it works for you.  Under the Tools Pane is the Drive Wiper tool.  Once you've selected that you have a dialog that lets you choose:

  • Free Space on a drive or the entire drive, contents and all
  • The number of overwrite passes:  1, 3, 7, or 35  (each being more secure and adding time to the process - 35 takes forever)
  • And a series of checkboxes for the drive or drives you wish to select on which the wipe action will be performed


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Brian

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.

    ~ Lauren Bacall

    



accessible securly disk wiper

Richard Kuzma
 

Good morning,

Does anyone know of any decent accessible disk wiping software?

Thanks

Rich


Re: mouse movement

 

I will preface this with:  I know nothing about the Golden Cursor add-on and what follows is not intended as any sort of comment about its utility.

Don't forget that NVDA has what I think is a major improvement over other screen readers in its mouse tracking function.  Once you develop some slight skill in using the mouse to "scan" the page, even without being able to see exactly where the mouse is, you can get a very good "quick and dirty" knowledge of what is actually on that page, particularly in regard to controls and general content.  I have tried to teach my clients to not "be afraid of the mouse" when used for this purpose and to be willing to actually use it for left and right click (which is easy to do if you keep it in a caddy so it can't move across the surface on which it rests).  I don't often "succeed" (for lack of a better term) as much with an actual mouse as I do with a mouse pad, because it's a simple matter to mask the mouse pad with a piece of heavy cardboard for when you don't want to be activating it accidentally while still having full and easy access to the actual left and right mouse buttons.

I would imagine, based on the description of Golden Cursor, that there could be a powerful wedding between its ability to save a specific location for later "snapping to" and NVDA's mouse tracking to allow you to do a quick "fly over" of a page to find those locations you might want to use with Golden Cursor.

If I'm wrong about this I'm sure someone will set me straight as to how, and I'm more than willing to hear that.  This is conjecture based on very little knowledge of Golden Cursor.
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    ~ Lauren Bacall

    



Re: third party rss readers

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I've not tried it, but there is one in the Webbie suite I think.
Can anyone tell me what the difference is between an rss reader and a podcast downloader, as many of those use rss, and store the files offline. The only difference is what the file actually is, audio html or whatever, surely?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Bartlett" <themusicalbrewer@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 12:47 PM
Subject: [nvda] third party rss readers


Has anyone found a desktop rss reader that works well with NVDA? I'm
currently using goread.io, which is a distinctly dissatisfactory service.



--
Christopher Bartlett