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Re: downloading a file using NVDA

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Of course I think firefoxs answer is the best one, you can open the download list which is a simple list of current session downloads. If you use navigational sounds as I do, then you can hear the end of a download whether you have the download list visible or not.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] downloading a file using NVDA


This has nothing to do with screen-readers. If a file downloads, it's because of the browser settings you are using. If it is customary to use control n to move to the information bar in your browser to download, do it regardless of screen-reader being used. Whether you hear something spoken that you are used to with the other screen-reader or not, the information bar and the commands to use it are Internet Explorer commands, not screen-reader commands. If people learn to discriminate between screen-reader commands and windows and program commands, it will avoid confusion when using a different screen-reader and it will build confidence when using a different screen-reader that you won't have to learn nearly as much in the transition as you may have thought.

Gene----- Original Message -----


From: Travis Siegel
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 12:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] downloading a file using NVDA


In general, when you hit a download button, the file will download,
(though nvda gives no indication of this) To find it, just go look in
your downloads folder, or open the downloads view in the browser. This
took some getting used to for me, but to be honest, I kind of like it
now, since it doesn't interrupt my browsing experience, I just hit the
download button, then continue reading through the page, and when all is
finished, I can then go check the status of the downloads.


On 11/24/2016 10:55 AM, Don H wrote:
So I go to the addon's web site and pick the addon I want to download.
I find a button for downloading the stable version of the addon. I
hit enter on the download button and nothing seems to happen. With
Window Eyes when you do the same you are given a status bar that you
read with alt n and it gives you the option of open or save and with a
selection of save the download begins. Then when the download is
complete you are given several options whether to open the file and such.
So with NVDA what are the exact steps to download from a web page?
Thanks



Re: downloading a file using NVDA

Gene
 

This has nothing to do with screen-readers.  If a file downloads, it's because of the browser settings you are using.  If it is customary to use control n to move to the information bar in your browser to download, do it regardless of screen-reader being used.  Whether you hear something spoken that you are used to with the other screen-reader or not, the information bar and the commands to use it are Internet Explorer commands, not screen-reader commands.  If people learn to discriminate between screen-reader commands and windows and program commands, it will avoid confusion when using a different screen-reader and it will build confidence when using a different screen-reader that you won't have to learn nearly as much in the transition as you may have thought.
 

Gene----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] downloading a file using NVDA

In general, when you hit a download button, the file will download,
(though nvda gives no indication of this) To find it, just go look in
your downloads folder, or open the downloads view in the browser.  This
took some getting used to for me, but to be honest, I kind of like it
now, since it doesn't interrupt my browsing experience, I just hit the
download button, then continue reading through the page, and when all is
finished, I can then go check the status of the downloads.


On 11/24/2016 10:55 AM, Don H wrote:
> So I go to the addon's web site and pick the addon I want to download.
> I find a button for downloading the stable version of the addon.  I
> hit enter on the download button and nothing seems to happen.  With
> Window Eyes when you do the same you are given a status bar that you
> read with alt n and it gives you the option of open or save and with a
> selection of save the download begins. Then when the download is
> complete you are given several options whether to open the file and such.
> So with NVDA what are the exact steps to download from a web page?
> Thanks
>
>
>





Re: access32 file

Roger Stewart
 

Would need to see what it was but actually nvda add on files are a kind of zip file and sometimes the browser will rename them as .zip. 

Roger









On 11/24/2016 10:02 AM, Gary Metzler wrote:
Hi Roger,
 
This was a zip file that someone posted on the list.  It had two files in it.  Thanks,
 
From: Roger Stewart
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 10:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] access32 file
 
I think this was an nvda add on file.  All you do is run it as though it were an executable file and nvda will install it for you.  This is if you are using an installed copy.  If a portable copy, you need to point it to the nvda directory (path name) and then it will install.

Roger











On 11/24/2016 3:21 AM, Gary Metzler wrote:
Hi All,
 
I downloaded the access32 file.  Where do I put it in nvda to get it to work?  Thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox

 



Re: downloading a file using NVDA

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

In general, when you hit a download button, the file will download, (though nvda gives no indication of this) To find it, just go look in your downloads folder, or open the downloads view in the browser. This took some getting used to for me, but to be honest, I kind of like it now, since it doesn't interrupt my browsing experience, I just hit the download button, then continue reading through the page, and when all is finished, I can then go check the status of the downloads.

On 11/24/2016 10:55 AM, Don H wrote:
So I go to the addon's web site and pick the addon I want to download. I find a button for downloading the stable version of the addon. I hit enter on the download button and nothing seems to happen. With Window Eyes when you do the same you are given a status bar that you read with alt n and it gives you the option of open or save and with a selection of save the download begins. Then when the download is complete you are given several options whether to open the file and such.
So with NVDA what are the exact steps to download from a web page?
Thanks


Re: Thunderbird Tutorial (Text Format)

Albert Ruel
 

Thanks Gene.  That worked, and I wondered whether or not I might be able to do that to the link you originally shared.  I’ll gibve it a go next time. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 9:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thunderbird Tutorial (Text Format)

 

This link will cause the file to download if it might play otherwise. 

 

If you get a link for a Drop Box file and it plays, add question mark dl equals sign 1 to the end of the link.  of course, use the signs.  I wrote out what to add for clarity and so those who don't have punctuation on will hear the syntax.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 11:18 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Thunderbird Tutorial (Text Format)

 

Thanks Gene.  I see that your link plays the file, however I’d like to download it and don’t know how.  Please help. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 8:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thunderbird Tutorial (Text Format)

 

Years ago, I did a presentation for Accessible World on the old version of Windows Live Mail and Thunderbird.  Windows Live Mail is covered first, then Thunderbird.  A good deal of what I cover concerning Thunderbird is also covered in the text discussion that was sent to the list.  But it is covered as in a tutorial with discussion and demonstration.  Message rules aren't covered.  The topics are demonstrated as in a tutorial and I discuss importing and exporting the addressbook and there may be this or that other item I discuss that isn't covered in the text discussion.  Certain items such as how to set up an account may be out of date.  I don't use Thunderbird and, though that information still largely applies, I believe there have been changes in how to stop automatic detection of settings and set up accounts manually.  Those who want an audio tutorial and a discussion of this or that in addition to information they already got from the list can download the presentation here:

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Mallard

Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 9:44 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Thunderbird Tutorial (Text Format)

 

Hello Paul,


Thanks millions for this one.

Going to save it and treasure it.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 24/11/2016 06:01, Paul Benson ha scritto:
> Hello all,
>
> Below my signature is a text format tutorial on Thunderbird which was posted a few months on a couple of UK lists by a highly-esteemed contributor, Mo. I recall it being posted along with a link to the portable version, but suspect it applies in all versions. Let's hope so. He also references JAWS, but perhaps this is not important?
>
> I have marked my copy into sections with a double hash sign, "##", for easy searching. I am not sure if I still have the original, hope this is not a problem. I have yet to get round to doing battle with Thunderbird, so cannot pass comment, other than Mo has a very good reputation on BCAB and Access-UK lists.
>
> Paul Benson.
>
> *  *  *
>
> ## Accessing messages.
> When you first open thunderbird, you have to tab 3 times to get to the list of messages.
> The layout of thunderbird is similar to outlook and outlook express.
> You have a treeview of folders, so as you're tabbing listen out for, treeview.
>   Arrowing up and down navigates you to the different folders inbox, sent, trash, junk etc.
> Unfortunately, you cannot use, control Y, or the first letter of a folder to jump to a particular folder.
> You have to arrow through all the folders to get to the one you want.
>
> ## Following are some common shortcuts for thunderbird, as well as a link at the bottom for the lot.
> control N - new message.
> control shift A - to attach a file to a message.
> control R - to reply.
> control shift R - to reply to all.
> control L - to forward.
> control enter - to send.
> control shift B - for the address book.
>
> ## To send a message from a different account.
> Press, control N, as usual for a new message.
> When the new message window is displayed, press, shift tab, twice to the from combo box.
> Arrow down to the account that you want to send from and then tab twice to get back to the too box.
> Type in the person's name and tab to subject.
> Type the subject and tab to the message area and continue as normal.
>
> ## Spell checking in thunderbird is the same as outlook express.
> You press, F7, and the spell checker is displayed.
> You will be told which word is spelled wrong.
> Tab to the list of suggestions, arrow to the one you want and tab to change.
> You can also tab to ignore if you do not wish to make any changes.
>
> ## To create a new sub folder in your account.
> Tab to the, treeview, and arrow up/down until jaws says the name of your account.
> Press, applications, and click new folder.
> Type your new folder name and press, enter. The folder will then be created.
> Note that with some email providers, you have to arrow to the inbox and go to create new folder from there. this is not the case with GMail, the first method is recommended.
>
> ## Moving messages to a certain folder is quite simple.
> Arrow to the message you wish to move.
> Press, applications, and a menu will open.
> Arrow to, move too, and press, enter.
> Arrow down to the account you wish to move the message to and press, enter.
> Finally, arrow down to the folder you wish to move the message too and press, enter.
>
> ## To send a message to multiple people.
> Press, control N, for new message.
> Select the first person you want to send to by typing the first few letters of their name.
> Then press, enter, once you have the right person.
> A second box will be displayed and your screen reader will say, too edit combo blank.
> To tell thunderbird we want this box to be a CC box, press shift tab once and use your arrows to select the option you'd like CC, BCC, etc.
> When you have selected the right option, press, tab, back to the edit box.
> Instead of, too edit combo, your screen reader should now say, BCC edit combo, or the option you picked.
> Find the person you'd like to add to the email by typing their name, and press, enter, again if you'd like to select a third person to send to.
> Keep doing this until you've selected all the people you'd like to send to.
> Then tab, to subject, fill in the box and press, tab, to the main message box.
> Type your message and press, control enter, to send.
>
>
>
>
> ## To access, settings, for example to request, a read receipt.
> When writing your message, press, alt P, for the message options menu and, tick, the option you'd like to enable, for example, request read receipt.
>
> ## To attach a file to a message.
> Press, control shift A, when you're writing your message.
> A file browse box will open and allow you to select the file you'd like to send.
>
> ## To view attachments.
> Go in to the message that has an attachment.
> Press, alt M, for the message menu, then press, H, for attachments.
> The files that are attached to the message will be displayed.
> Press, enter, on the one you'd like to open or save, and then arrow to the option you'd like i.e., open, save, etc.
>
> ## To search for a particular sender, In any folder.
> Press control shift K, this will take you to an edit box where your screen reader will say, filter edit.
> Type in a keyword to filter your messages, for example, mobeen, so it filters all the messages specifically from me.
> Then press tab to get to the list.
> When done looking for my message, press, shift tab, to get back to the filter box.
> Then press, escape, twice to close the box.
> Note: if you do not do this, thunderbird will continue only displaying messages from me.
>
> ## To create a filter in thunderbird.
> Press, alt T, for tools.
> Go down to, message filters, and press, enter.
> A list of your message filters will be displayed.
> If you'd like to change or remove one, arrow to it and press, tab, to edit.
>
> ## If you would like to create a new filter.
> Tab across to the new option and press, enter.
> Fill in the boxes as follows.
> Filter name: self explanatory, to define it in the list.
> Tab past the next 2 boxes they can be left checked and again are self explanatory.
> Tab again and leave the box that says, before junk classification, as it is.
> Press, tab, and thunderbird will say, match all of the following.
> This is again the option we want, so tab twice more to reach the box that says, subject.
> This box is the box that allows us to specify how thunderbird searches for the message, for example, by subject, from, keywords, etc.
> In this case, we want to select the, from, option, so arrow down to, from.
> Tab again and the next box allows us to tell thunderbird will differentiate and search the, from, field.
> For example, some of the options in this box are, contains, doesn't contain, ends with, begins with etc.
> Your filter can search the from address for those statements.
> Select the one you'd like, then tab to the edit box and type or paste the address you'd like to filter, for example,  igain.com.
> Press tab twice more to the, move message too, box.
> This box allows us to choose what thunderbird does with a message.
> Leave this set, to move too, and tab again.
> The next box allows you to select where thunderbird will move the message too.
> To select the folder, do the following.
> Press, alt down arrow, and your screen reader should say, expanded.
> Press your, right arrow, once.
> Then press, down arrow, once.
> You should hear the name of your email account sub menu.
> Press, right arrow, then, arrow down, until you get to, deleted, or the folder you want to move to and press, enter.
> Now tab to, OK, and the filter should be created.
>
> ## To back up your thunderbird folder.
> Exit thunderbird, then, press windows R and paste the following:
> "
> %userprofile%
> "
>   and press, enter.
> After pressing enter, your user profile folder will open.
> Press T for thunderbirdPortable, and press control C to copy the folder to your clipboard.
> Paste the folder to another hard drive or to your preferred backup location.
> This procedure backs up everything, so should anything go wrong in future you can simply paste the folder back to your user profile folder and continue using thunderbird as if nothing had happened.
>
> A full list of shortcuts can be found at:
>   https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/keyboard-shortcuts#thunderbird:win7:tb24
>
> *  *  *
>
>


Re: Thunderbird Tutorial (Text Format)

Gene
 

This link will cause the file to download if it might play otherwise. 
 
If you get a link for a Drop Box file and it plays, add question mark dl equals sign 1 to the end of the link.  of course, use the signs.  I wrote out what to add for clarity and so those who don't have punctuation on will hear the syntax.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thunderbird Tutorial (Text Format)

Thanks Gene.  I see that your link plays the file, however I’d like to download it and don’t know how.  Please help. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 8:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thunderbird Tutorial (Text Format)

 

Years ago, I did a presentation for Accessible World on the old version of Windows Live Mail and Thunderbird.  Windows Live Mail is covered first, then Thunderbird.  A good deal of what I cover concerning Thunderbird is also covered in the text discussion that was sent to the list.  But it is covered as in a tutorial with discussion and demonstration.  Message rules aren't covered.  The topics are demonstrated as in a tutorial and I discuss importing and exporting the addressbook and there may be this or that other item I discuss that isn't covered in the text discussion.  Certain items such as how to set up an account may be out of date.  I don't use Thunderbird and, though that information still largely applies, I believe there have been changes in how to stop automatic detection of settings and set up accounts manually.  Those who want an audio tutorial and a discussion of this or that in addition to information they already got from the list can download the presentation here:

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Mallard

Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 9:44 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Thunderbird Tutorial (Text Format)

 

Hello Paul,


Thanks millions for this one.

Going to save it and treasure it.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 24/11/2016 06:01, Paul Benson ha scritto:
> Hello all,
>
> Below my signature is a text format tutorial on Thunderbird which was posted a few months on a couple of UK lists by a highly-esteemed contributor, Mo. I recall it being posted along with a link to the portable version, but suspect it applies in all versions. Let's hope so. He also references JAWS, but perhaps this is not important?
>
> I have marked my copy into sections with a double hash sign, "##", for easy searching. I am not sure if I still have the original, hope this is not a problem. I have yet to get round to doing battle with Thunderbird, so cannot pass comment, other than Mo has a very good reputation on BCAB and Access-UK lists.
>
> Paul Benson.
>
> *  *  *
>
> ## Accessing messages.
> When you first open thunderbird, you have to tab 3 times to get to the list of messages.
> The layout of thunderbird is similar to outlook and outlook express.
> You have a treeview of folders, so as you're tabbing listen out for, treeview.
>   Arrowing up and down navigates you to the different folders inbox, sent, trash, junk etc.
> Unfortunately, you cannot use, control Y, or the first letter of a folder to jump to a particular folder.
> You have to arrow through all the folders to get to the one you want.
>
> ## Following are some common shortcuts for thunderbird, as well as a link at the bottom for the lot.
> control N - new message.
> control shift A - to attach a file to a message.
> control R - to reply.
> control shift R - to reply to all.
> control L - to forward.
> control enter - to send.
> control shift B - for the address book.
>
> ## To send a message from a different account.
> Press, control N, as usual for a new message.
> When the new message window is displayed, press, shift tab, twice to the from combo box.
> Arrow down to the account that you want to send from and then tab twice to get back to the too box.
> Type in the person's name and tab to subject.
> Type the subject and tab to the message area and continue as normal.
>
> ## Spell checking in thunderbird is the same as outlook express.
> You press, F7, and the spell checker is displayed.
> You will be told which word is spelled wrong.
> Tab to the list of suggestions, arrow to the one you want and tab to change.
> You can also tab to ignore if you do not wish to make any changes.
>
> ## To create a new sub folder in your account.
> Tab to the, treeview, and arrow up/down until jaws says the name of your account.
> Press, applications, and click new folder.
> Type your new folder name and press, enter. The folder will then be created.
> Note that with some email providers, you have to arrow to the inbox and go to create new folder from there. this is not the case with GMail, the first method is recommended.
>
> ## Moving messages to a certain folder is quite simple.
> Arrow to the message you wish to move.
> Press, applications, and a menu will open.
> Arrow to, move too, and press, enter.
> Arrow down to the account you wish to move the message to and press, enter.
> Finally, arrow down to the folder you wish to move the message too and press, enter.
>
> ## To send a message to multiple people.
> Press, control N, for new message.
> Select the first person you want to send to by typing the first few letters of their name.
> Then press, enter, once you have the right person.
> A second box will be displayed and your screen reader will say, too edit combo blank.
> To tell thunderbird we want this box to be a CC box, press shift tab once and use your arrows to select the option you'd like CC, BCC, etc.
> When you have selected the right option, press, tab, back to the edit box.
> Instead of, too edit combo, your screen reader should now say, BCC edit combo, or the option you picked.
> Find the person you'd like to add to the email by typing their name, and press, enter, again if you'd like to select a third person to send to.
> Keep doing this until you've selected all the people you'd like to send to.
> Then tab, to subject, fill in the box and press, tab, to the main message box.
> Type your message and press, control enter, to send.
>
>
>
>
> ## To access, settings, for example to request, a read receipt.
> When writing your message, press, alt P, for the message options menu and, tick, the option you'd like to enable, for example, request read receipt.
>
> ## To attach a file to a message.
> Press, control shift A, when you're writing your message.
> A file browse box will open and allow you to select the file you'd like to send.
>
> ## To view attachments.
> Go in to the message that has an attachment.
> Press, alt M, for the message menu, then press, H, for attachments.
> The files that are attached to the message will be displayed.
> Press, enter, on the one you'd like to open or save, and then arrow to the option you'd like i.e., open, save, etc.
>
> ## To search for a particular sender, In any folder.
> Press control shift K, this will take you to an edit box where your screen reader will say, filter edit.
> Type in a keyword to filter your messages, for example, mobeen, so it filters all the messages specifically from me.
> Then press tab to get to the list.
> When done looking for my message, press, shift tab, to get back to the filter box.
> Then press, escape, twice to close the box.
> Note: if you do not do this, thunderbird will continue only displaying messages from me.
>
> ## To create a filter in thunderbird.
> Press, alt T, for tools.
> Go down to, message filters, and press, enter.
> A list of your message filters will be displayed.
> If you'd like to change or remove one, arrow to it and press, tab, to edit.
>
> ## If you would like to create a new filter.
> Tab across to the new option and press, enter.
> Fill in the boxes as follows.
> Filter name: self explanatory, to define it in the list.
> Tab past the next 2 boxes they can be left checked and again are self explanatory.
> Tab again and leave the box that says, before junk classification, as it is.
> Press, tab, and thunderbird will say, match all of the following.
> This is again the option we want, so tab twice more to reach the box that says, subject.
> This box is the box that allows us to specify how thunderbird searches for the message, for example, by subject, from, keywords, etc.
> In this case, we want to select the, from, option, so arrow down to, from.
> Tab again and the next box allows us to tell thunderbird will differentiate and search the, from, field.
> For example, some of the options in this box are, contains, doesn't contain, ends with, begins with etc.
> Your filter can search the from address for those statements.
> Select the one you'd like, then tab to the edit box and type or paste the address you'd like to filter, for example,  igain.com.
> Press tab twice more to the, move message too, box.
> This box allows us to choose what thunderbird does with a message.
> Leave this set, to move too, and tab again.
> The next box allows you to select where thunderbird will move the message too.
> To select the folder, do the following.
> Press, alt down arrow, and your screen reader should say, expanded.
> Press your, right arrow, once.
> Then press, down arrow, once.
> You should hear the name of your email account sub menu.
> Press, right arrow, then, arrow down, until you get to, deleted, or the folder you want to move to and press, enter.
> Now tab to, OK, and the filter should be created.
>
> ## To back up your thunderbird folder.
> Exit thunderbird, then, press windows R and paste the following:
> "
> %userprofile%
> "
>   and press, enter.
> After pressing enter, your user profile folder will open.
> Press T for thunderbirdPortable, and press control C to copy the folder to your clipboard.
> Paste the folder to another hard drive or to your preferred backup location.
> This procedure backs up everything, so should anything go wrong in future you can simply paste the folder back to your user profile folder and continue using thunderbird as if nothing had happened.
>
> A full list of shortcuts can be found at:
>   https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/keyboard-shortcuts#thunderbird:win7:tb24
>
> *  *  *
>
>



Re: Thunderbird Tutorial (Text Format)

Albert Ruel
 

Thanks Gene.  I see that your link plays the file, however I’d like to download it and don’t know how.  Please help. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 8:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thunderbird Tutorial (Text Format)

 

Years ago, I did a presentation for Accessible World on the old version of Windows Live Mail and Thunderbird.  Windows Live Mail is covered first, then Thunderbird.  A good deal of what I cover concerning Thunderbird is also covered in the text discussion that was sent to the list.  But it is covered as in a tutorial with discussion and demonstration.  Message rules aren't covered.  The topics are demonstrated as in a tutorial and I discuss importing and exporting the addressbook and there may be this or that other item I discuss that isn't covered in the text discussion.  Certain items such as how to set up an account may be out of date.  I don't use Thunderbird and, though that information still largely applies, I believe there have been changes in how to stop automatic detection of settings and set up accounts manually.  Those who want an audio tutorial and a discussion of this or that in addition to information they already got from the list can download the presentation here:

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Mallard

Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 9:44 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Thunderbird Tutorial (Text Format)

 

Hello Paul,


Thanks millions for this one.

Going to save it and treasure it.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 24/11/2016 06:01, Paul Benson ha scritto:
> Hello all,
>
> Below my signature is a text format tutorial on Thunderbird which was posted a few months on a couple of UK lists by a highly-esteemed contributor, Mo. I recall it being posted along with a link to the portable version, but suspect it applies in all versions. Let's hope so. He also references JAWS, but perhaps this is not important?
>
> I have marked my copy into sections with a double hash sign, "##", for easy searching. I am not sure if I still have the original, hope this is not a problem. I have yet to get round to doing battle with Thunderbird, so cannot pass comment, other than Mo has a very good reputation on BCAB and Access-UK lists.
>
> Paul Benson.
>
> *  *  *
>
> ## Accessing messages.
> When you first open thunderbird, you have to tab 3 times to get to the list of messages.
> The layout of thunderbird is similar to outlook and outlook express.
> You have a treeview of folders, so as you're tabbing listen out for, treeview.
>   Arrowing up and down navigates you to the different folders inbox, sent, trash, junk etc.
> Unfortunately, you cannot use, control Y, or the first letter of a folder to jump to a particular folder.
> You have to arrow through all the folders to get to the one you want.
>
> ## Following are some common shortcuts for thunderbird, as well as a link at the bottom for the lot.
> control N - new message.
> control shift A - to attach a file to a message.
> control R - to reply.
> control shift R - to reply to all.
> control L - to forward.
> control enter - to send.
> control shift B - for the address book.
>
> ## To send a message from a different account.
> Press, control N, as usual for a new message.
> When the new message window is displayed, press, shift tab, twice to the from combo box.
> Arrow down to the account that you want to send from and then tab twice to get back to the too box.
> Type in the person's name and tab to subject.
> Type the subject and tab to the message area and continue as normal.
>
> ## Spell checking in thunderbird is the same as outlook express.
> You press, F7, and the spell checker is displayed.
> You will be told which word is spelled wrong.
> Tab to the list of suggestions, arrow to the one you want and tab to change.
> You can also tab to ignore if you do not wish to make any changes.
>
> ## To create a new sub folder in your account.
> Tab to the, treeview, and arrow up/down until jaws says the name of your account.
> Press, applications, and click new folder.
> Type your new folder name and press, enter. The folder will then be created.
> Note that with some email providers, you have to arrow to the inbox and go to create new folder from there. this is not the case with GMail, the first method is recommended.
>
> ## Moving messages to a certain folder is quite simple.
> Arrow to the message you wish to move.
> Press, applications, and a menu will open.
> Arrow to, move too, and press, enter.
> Arrow down to the account you wish to move the message to and press, enter.
> Finally, arrow down to the folder you wish to move the message too and press, enter.
>
> ## To send a message to multiple people.
> Press, control N, for new message.
> Select the first person you want to send to by typing the first few letters of their name.
> Then press, enter, once you have the right person.
> A second box will be displayed and your screen reader will say, too edit combo blank.
> To tell thunderbird we want this box to be a CC box, press shift tab once and use your arrows to select the option you'd like CC, BCC, etc.
> When you have selected the right option, press, tab, back to the edit box.
> Instead of, too edit combo, your screen reader should now say, BCC edit combo, or the option you picked.
> Find the person you'd like to add to the email by typing their name, and press, enter, again if you'd like to select a third person to send to.
> Keep doing this until you've selected all the people you'd like to send to.
> Then tab, to subject, fill in the box and press, tab, to the main message box.
> Type your message and press, control enter, to send.
>
>
>
>
> ## To access, settings, for example to request, a read receipt.
> When writing your message, press, alt P, for the message options menu and, tick, the option you'd like to enable, for example, request read receipt.
>
> ## To attach a file to a message.
> Press, control shift A, when you're writing your message.
> A file browse box will open and allow you to select the file you'd like to send.
>
> ## To view attachments.
> Go in to the message that has an attachment.
> Press, alt M, for the message menu, then press, H, for attachments.
> The files that are attached to the message will be displayed.
> Press, enter, on the one you'd like to open or save, and then arrow to the option you'd like i.e., open, save, etc.
>
> ## To search for a particular sender, In any folder.
> Press control shift K, this will take you to an edit box where your screen reader will say, filter edit.
> Type in a keyword to filter your messages, for example, mobeen, so it filters all the messages specifically from me.
> Then press tab to get to the list.
> When done looking for my message, press, shift tab, to get back to the filter box.
> Then press, escape, twice to close the box.
> Note: if you do not do this, thunderbird will continue only displaying messages from me.
>
> ## To create a filter in thunderbird.
> Press, alt T, for tools.
> Go down to, message filters, and press, enter.
> A list of your message filters will be displayed.
> If you'd like to change or remove one, arrow to it and press, tab, to edit.
>
> ## If you would like to create a new filter.
> Tab across to the new option and press, enter.
> Fill in the boxes as follows.
> Filter name: self explanatory, to define it in the list.
> Tab past the next 2 boxes they can be left checked and again are self explanatory.
> Tab again and leave the box that says, before junk classification, as it is.
> Press, tab, and thunderbird will say, match all of the following.
> This is again the option we want, so tab twice more to reach the box that says, subject.
> This box is the box that allows us to specify how thunderbird searches for the message, for example, by subject, from, keywords, etc.
> In this case, we want to select the, from, option, so arrow down to, from.
> Tab again and the next box allows us to tell thunderbird will differentiate and search the, from, field.
> For example, some of the options in this box are, contains, doesn't contain, ends with, begins with etc.
> Your filter can search the from address for those statements.
> Select the one you'd like, then tab to the edit box and type or paste the address you'd like to filter, for example,  igain.com.
> Press tab twice more to the, move message too, box.
> This box allows us to choose what thunderbird does with a message.
> Leave this set, to move too, and tab again.
> The next box allows you to select where thunderbird will move the message too.
> To select the folder, do the following.
> Press, alt down arrow, and your screen reader should say, expanded.
> Press your, right arrow, once.
> Then press, down arrow, once.
> You should hear the name of your email account sub menu.
> Press, right arrow, then, arrow down, until you get to, deleted, or the folder you want to move to and press, enter.
> Now tab to, OK, and the filter should be created.
>
> ## To back up your thunderbird folder.
> Exit thunderbird, then, press windows R and paste the following:
> "
> %userprofile%
> "
>   and press, enter.
> After pressing enter, your user profile folder will open.
> Press T for thunderbirdPortable, and press control C to copy the folder to your clipboard.
> Paste the folder to another hard drive or to your preferred backup location.
> This procedure backs up everything, so should anything go wrong in future you can simply paste the folder back to your user profile folder and continue using thunderbird as if nothing had happened.
>
> A full list of shortcuts can be found at:
>   https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/keyboard-shortcuts#thunderbird:win7:tb24
>
> *  *  *
>
>



Re: downloading a file using NVDA

Rui Fontes
 

Wich browser? Alt+N is a IE command, I suppose...

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Don H
Data: 24 de novembro de 2016 15:55
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: [nvda] downloading a file using NVDA

So I go to the addon's web site and pick the addon I want to download.
I find a button for downloading the stable version of the addon. I hit
enter on the download button and nothing seems to happen. With Window
Eyes when you do the same you are given a status bar that you read with
alt n and it gives you the option of open or save and with a selection
of save the download begins. Then when the download is complete you are
given several options whether to open the file and such.
So with NVDA what are the exact steps to download from a web page?
Thanks


Re: access32 file

Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...>
 

Hi Roger,
 
This was a zip file that someone posted on the list.  It had two files in it.  Thanks,
 

From: Roger Stewart
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 10:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] access32 file
 
I think this was an nvda add on file.  All you do is run it as though it were an executable file and nvda will install it for you.  This is if you are using an installed copy.  If a portable copy, you need to point it to the nvda directory (path name) and then it will install.

Roger











On 11/24/2016 3:21 AM, Gary Metzler wrote:
Hi All,
 
I downloaded the access32 file.  Where do I put it in nvda to get it to work?  Thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox

 


Re: Thunderbird Tutorial (Text Format)

Gene
 

Years ago, I did a presentation for Accessible World on the old version of Windows Live Mail and Thunderbird.  Windows Live Mail is covered first, then Thunderbird.  A good deal of what I cover concerning Thunderbird is also covered in the text discussion that was sent to the list.  But it is covered as in a tutorial with discussion and demonstration.  Message rules aren't covered.  The topics are demonstrated as in a tutorial and I discuss importing and exporting the addressbook and there may be this or that other item I discuss that isn't covered in the text discussion.  Certain items such as how to set up an account may be out of date.  I don't use Thunderbird and, though that information still largely applies, I believe there have been changes in how to stop automatic detection of settings and set up accounts manually.  Those who want an audio tutorial and a discussion of this or that in addition to information they already got from the list can download the presentation here:

From: Mallard
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thunderbird Tutorial (Text Format)

Hello Paul,


Thanks millions for this one.

Going to save it and treasure it.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 24/11/2016 06:01, Paul Benson ha scritto:
> Hello all,
>
> Below my signature is a text format tutorial on Thunderbird which was posted a few months on a couple of UK lists by a highly-esteemed contributor, Mo. I recall it being posted along with a link to the portable version, but suspect it applies in all versions. Let's hope so. He also references JAWS, but perhaps this is not important?
>
> I have marked my copy into sections with a double hash sign, "##", for easy searching. I am not sure if I still have the original, hope this is not a problem. I have yet to get round to doing battle with Thunderbird, so cannot pass comment, other than Mo has a very good reputation on BCAB and Access-UK lists.
>
> Paul Benson.
>
> *  *  *
>
> ## Accessing messages.
> When you first open thunderbird, you have to tab 3 times to get to the list of messages.
> The layout of thunderbird is similar to outlook and outlook express.
> You have a treeview of folders, so as you're tabbing listen out for, treeview.
>   Arrowing up and down navigates you to the different folders inbox, sent, trash, junk etc.
> Unfortunately, you cannot use, control Y, or the first letter of a folder to jump to a particular folder.
> You have to arrow through all the folders to get to the one you want.
>
> ## Following are some common shortcuts for thunderbird, as well as a link at the bottom for the lot.
> control N - new message.
> control shift A - to attach a file to a message.
> control R - to reply.
> control shift R - to reply to all.
> control L - to forward.
> control enter - to send.
> control shift B - for the address book.
>
> ## To send a message from a different account.
> Press, control N, as usual for a new message.
> When the new message window is displayed, press, shift tab, twice to the from combo box.
> Arrow down to the account that you want to send from and then tab twice to get back to the too box.
> Type in the person's name and tab to subject.
> Type the subject and tab to the message area and continue as normal.
>
> ## Spell checking in thunderbird is the same as outlook express.
> You press, F7, and the spell checker is displayed.
> You will be told which word is spelled wrong.
> Tab to the list of suggestions, arrow to the one you want and tab to change.
> You can also tab to ignore if you do not wish to make any changes.
>
> ## To create a new sub folder in your account.
> Tab to the, treeview, and arrow up/down until jaws says the name of your account.
> Press, applications, and click new folder.
> Type your new folder name and press, enter. The folder will then be created.
> Note that with some email providers, you have to arrow to the inbox and go to create new folder from there. this is not the case with GMail, the first method is recommended.
>
> ## Moving messages to a certain folder is quite simple.
> Arrow to the message you wish to move.
> Press, applications, and a menu will open.
> Arrow to, move too, and press, enter.
> Arrow down to the account you wish to move the message to and press, enter.
> Finally, arrow down to the folder you wish to move the message too and press, enter.
>
> ## To send a message to multiple people.
> Press, control N, for new message.
> Select the first person you want to send to by typing the first few letters of their name.
> Then press, enter, once you have the right person.
> A second box will be displayed and your screen reader will say, too edit combo blank.
> To tell thunderbird we want this box to be a CC box, press shift tab once and use your arrows to select the option you'd like CC, BCC, etc.
> When you have selected the right option, press, tab, back to the edit box.
> Instead of, too edit combo, your screen reader should now say, BCC edit combo, or the option you picked.
> Find the person you'd like to add to the email by typing their name, and press, enter, again if you'd like to select a third person to send to.
> Keep doing this until you've selected all the people you'd like to send to.
> Then tab, to subject, fill in the box and press, tab, to the main message box.
> Type your message and press, control enter, to send.
>
>
>
>
> ## To access, settings, for example to request, a read receipt.
> When writing your message, press, alt P, for the message options menu and, tick, the option you'd like to enable, for example, request read receipt.
>
> ## To attach a file to a message.
> Press, control shift A, when you're writing your message.
> A file browse box will open and allow you to select the file you'd like to send.
>
> ## To view attachments.
> Go in to the message that has an attachment.
> Press, alt M, for the message menu, then press, H, for attachments.
> The files that are attached to the message will be displayed.
> Press, enter, on the one you'd like to open or save, and then arrow to the option you'd like i.e., open, save, etc.
>
> ## To search for a particular sender, In any folder.
> Press control shift K, this will take you to an edit box where your screen reader will say, filter edit.
> Type in a keyword to filter your messages, for example, mobeen, so it filters all the messages specifically from me.
> Then press tab to get to the list.
> When done looking for my message, press, shift tab, to get back to the filter box.
> Then press, escape, twice to close the box.
> Note: if you do not do this, thunderbird will continue only displaying messages from me.
>
> ## To create a filter in thunderbird.
> Press, alt T, for tools.
> Go down to, message filters, and press, enter.
> A list of your message filters will be displayed.
> If you'd like to change or remove one, arrow to it and press, tab, to edit.
>
> ## If you would like to create a new filter.
> Tab across to the new option and press, enter.
> Fill in the boxes as follows.
> Filter name: self explanatory, to define it in the list.
> Tab past the next 2 boxes they can be left checked and again are self explanatory.
> Tab again and leave the box that says, before junk classification, as it is.
> Press, tab, and thunderbird will say, match all of the following.
> This is again the option we want, so tab twice more to reach the box that says, subject.
> This box is the box that allows us to specify how thunderbird searches for the message, for example, by subject, from, keywords, etc.
> In this case, we want to select the, from, option, so arrow down to, from.
> Tab again and the next box allows us to tell thunderbird will differentiate and search the, from, field.
> For example, some of the options in this box are, contains, doesn't contain, ends with, begins with etc.
> Your filter can search the from address for those statements.
> Select the one you'd like, then tab to the edit box and type or paste the address you'd like to filter, for example,  igain.com.
> Press tab twice more to the, move message too, box.
> This box allows us to choose what thunderbird does with a message.
> Leave this set, to move too, and tab again.
> The next box allows you to select where thunderbird will move the message too.
> To select the folder, do the following.
> Press, alt down arrow, and your screen reader should say, expanded.
> Press your, right arrow, once.
> Then press, down arrow, once.
> You should hear the name of your email account sub menu.
> Press, right arrow, then, arrow down, until you get to, deleted, or the folder you want to move to and press, enter.
> Now tab to, OK, and the filter should be created.
>
> ## To back up your thunderbird folder.
> Exit thunderbird, then, press windows R and paste the following:
> "
> %userprofile%
> "
>   and press, enter.
> After pressing enter, your user profile folder will open.
> Press T for thunderbirdPortable, and press control C to copy the folder to your clipboard.
> Paste the folder to another hard drive or to your preferred backup location.
> This procedure backs up everything, so should anything go wrong in future you can simply paste the folder back to your user profile folder and continue using thunderbird as if nothing had happened.
>
> A full list of shortcuts can be found at:
>   https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/keyboard-shortcuts#thunderbird:win7:tb24
>
> *  *  *
>
>




downloading a file using NVDA

Don H
 

So I go to the addon's web site and pick the addon I want to download. I find a button for downloading the stable version of the addon. I hit enter on the download button and nothing seems to happen. With Window Eyes when you do the same you are given a status bar that you read with alt n and it gives you the option of open or save and with a selection of save the download begins. Then when the download is complete you are given several options whether to open the file and such.
So with NVDA what are the exact steps to download from a web page?
Thanks


Re: strange thing happening in thunderbird

Gene
 

I forgot to mention one feature Windows Live Mail has that I really like.  You can read mail as plain text and, if you find a message you want to read as HTML, you can open the message and have that message shown as HTML using one command.  It will show the opened message as HTML and when you close it and move to another message and open it, it will again be shown as plain text.  The command is alt shift h.  The command is also available in Outlook Express.
 
GGene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange thing happening in thunderbird

Opinions may differ.  You may want to try Windows Live Mail.  The newer version uses ribbons.  The older version uses menus but you will have to get the older version from an individual.  Microsoft no longer distributes it.  I've heard contradictory things about whether the old version runs in Windows 10. 
 
One difference between Windows Live Mail and thunderbird that I consider somewhat substantive is that you can't make message rules in Windows Live Mail if you are using an IMAP account. Thunderbird lets you do so.
You can make message rules on the server level so using Windows Live Mail doesn't preclude message rules but I've never looked into how this is done.
 
Aside from that, I consider Windows Live Mail to have small advantages, but they may matter enough to consider.
 
Windows Live Mail has a very convenient short cut.  You can return to the default inbox from any folder if you issue the command control I. 
also, you can rearange the order of header fields and determine which fields are shown from the keyboard.  Thunderbird requires using a mouse or your screen-reader's drag and drop feature.  You can't rearange the order of fields or determine which fields are displayed from the keyboard.
 
And the question of rearanging the order of columns is made more important because Thunderbird shows and reads header columns in an order that a lot of blind people wouldn't want.  It reads the subject first, then the from line.  If it followed the standard order, the question of not being able to rearrange columns from the keyboard might be of slight matter.  But since the columns are in an order that would be considered undesirable for many blind people, that matter becomes more important.
 
Windows 10 has its own e-mail app but I'll let others comment on that.  I don't have Windows 10 and I haven't used it nor learned much about it.
 
Gene 

From: Don H
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange thing happening in thunderbird

OK when using NVDA as your primary screen reader is there a better
choice for a Email client than Thunderbird?  I currently don't have
access to outlook.
Thanks



My thoughts on NVDA and windows 10 and edge, mail and typing.

matthew dyer
 

Hi,

 

First off, I wanted to say that I am using NVDA 2016.3 with windows 10 and like it, but found one small problem.  When in edge typing in a form field, or in mail composing or replying to a message, NVDA does announce what I am typing but if I backspace over what I am typing I here the deleted character..  Any one having this problem and is there is a fix for this.  Thanks.  Just wanted to point that out since NVDA 2016.4 is just around the corner.  Thanks.

 

Matthew

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Thunderbird Tutorial (Text Format)

Mallard <mallard@...>
 

Hello Paul,


Thanks millions for this one.

Going to save it and treasure it.

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 24/11/2016 06:01, Paul Benson ha scritto:
Hello all,

Below my signature is a text format tutorial on Thunderbird which was posted a few months on a couple of UK lists by a highly-esteemed contributor, Mo. I recall it being posted along with a link to the portable version, but suspect it applies in all versions. Let's hope so. He also references JAWS, but perhaps this is not important?

I have marked my copy into sections with a double hash sign, "##", for easy searching. I am not sure if I still have the original, hope this is not a problem. I have yet to get round to doing battle with Thunderbird, so cannot pass comment, other than Mo has a very good reputation on BCAB and Access-UK lists.

Paul Benson.

* * *

## Accessing messages.
When you first open thunderbird, you have to tab 3 times to get to the list of messages.
The layout of thunderbird is similar to outlook and outlook express.
You have a treeview of folders, so as you're tabbing listen out for, treeview.
Arrowing up and down navigates you to the different folders inbox, sent, trash, junk etc.
Unfortunately, you cannot use, control Y, or the first letter of a folder to jump to a particular folder.
You have to arrow through all the folders to get to the one you want.

## Following are some common shortcuts for thunderbird, as well as a link at the bottom for the lot.
control N - new message.
control shift A - to attach a file to a message.
control R - to reply.
control shift R - to reply to all.
control L - to forward.
control enter - to send.
control shift B - for the address book.

## To send a message from a different account.
Press, control N, as usual for a new message.
When the new message window is displayed, press, shift tab, twice to the from combo box.
Arrow down to the account that you want to send from and then tab twice to get back to the too box.
Type in the person's name and tab to subject.
Type the subject and tab to the message area and continue as normal.

## Spell checking in thunderbird is the same as outlook express.
You press, F7, and the spell checker is displayed.
You will be told which word is spelled wrong.
Tab to the list of suggestions, arrow to the one you want and tab to change.
You can also tab to ignore if you do not wish to make any changes.

## To create a new sub folder in your account.
Tab to the, treeview, and arrow up/down until jaws says the name of your account.
Press, applications, and click new folder.
Type your new folder name and press, enter. The folder will then be created.
Note that with some email providers, you have to arrow to the inbox and go to create new folder from there. this is not the case with GMail, the first method is recommended.

## Moving messages to a certain folder is quite simple.
Arrow to the message you wish to move.
Press, applications, and a menu will open.
Arrow to, move too, and press, enter.
Arrow down to the account you wish to move the message to and press, enter.
Finally, arrow down to the folder you wish to move the message too and press, enter.

## To send a message to multiple people.
Press, control N, for new message.
Select the first person you want to send to by typing the first few letters of their name.
Then press, enter, once you have the right person.
A second box will be displayed and your screen reader will say, too edit combo blank.
To tell thunderbird we want this box to be a CC box, press shift tab once and use your arrows to select the option you'd like CC, BCC, etc.
When you have selected the right option, press, tab, back to the edit box.
Instead of, too edit combo, your screen reader should now say, BCC edit combo, or the option you picked.
Find the person you'd like to add to the email by typing their name, and press, enter, again if you'd like to select a third person to send to.
Keep doing this until you've selected all the people you'd like to send to.
Then tab, to subject, fill in the box and press, tab, to the main message box.
Type your message and press, control enter, to send.




## To access, settings, for example to request, a read receipt.
When writing your message, press, alt P, for the message options menu and, tick, the option you'd like to enable, for example, request read receipt.

## To attach a file to a message.
Press, control shift A, when you're writing your message.
A file browse box will open and allow you to select the file you'd like to send.

## To view attachments.
Go in to the message that has an attachment.
Press, alt M, for the message menu, then press, H, for attachments.
The files that are attached to the message will be displayed.
Press, enter, on the one you'd like to open or save, and then arrow to the option you'd like i.e., open, save, etc.

## To search for a particular sender, In any folder.
Press control shift K, this will take you to an edit box where your screen reader will say, filter edit.
Type in a keyword to filter your messages, for example, mobeen, so it filters all the messages specifically from me.
Then press tab to get to the list.
When done looking for my message, press, shift tab, to get back to the filter box.
Then press, escape, twice to close the box.
Note: if you do not do this, thunderbird will continue only displaying messages from me.

## To create a filter in thunderbird.
Press, alt T, for tools.
Go down to, message filters, and press, enter.
A list of your message filters will be displayed.
If you'd like to change or remove one, arrow to it and press, tab, to edit.

## If you would like to create a new filter.
Tab across to the new option and press, enter.
Fill in the boxes as follows.
Filter name: self explanatory, to define it in the list.
Tab past the next 2 boxes they can be left checked and again are self explanatory.
Tab again and leave the box that says, before junk classification, as it is.
Press, tab, and thunderbird will say, match all of the following.
This is again the option we want, so tab twice more to reach the box that says, subject.
This box is the box that allows us to specify how thunderbird searches for the message, for example, by subject, from, keywords, etc.
In this case, we want to select the, from, option, so arrow down to, from.
Tab again and the next box allows us to tell thunderbird will differentiate and search the, from, field.
For example, some of the options in this box are, contains, doesn't contain, ends with, begins with etc.
Your filter can search the from address for those statements.
Select the one you'd like, then tab to the edit box and type or paste the address you'd like to filter, for example, igain.com.
Press tab twice more to the, move message too, box.
This box allows us to choose what thunderbird does with a message.
Leave this set, to move too, and tab again.
The next box allows you to select where thunderbird will move the message too.
To select the folder, do the following.
Press, alt down arrow, and your screen reader should say, expanded.
Press your, right arrow, once.
Then press, down arrow, once.
You should hear the name of your email account sub menu.
Press, right arrow, then, arrow down, until you get to, deleted, or the folder you want to move to and press, enter.
Now tab to, OK, and the filter should be created.

## To back up your thunderbird folder.
Exit thunderbird, then, press windows R and paste the following:
"
%userprofile%
"
and press, enter.
After pressing enter, your user profile folder will open.
Press T for thunderbirdPortable, and press control C to copy the folder to your clipboard.
Paste the folder to another hard drive or to your preferred backup location.
This procedure backs up everything, so should anything go wrong in future you can simply paste the folder back to your user profile folder and continue using thunderbird as if nothing had happened.

A full list of shortcuts can be found at:
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/keyboard-shortcuts#thunderbird:win7:tb24

* * *


Re: access32 file

Roger Stewart
 

I think this was an nvda add on file.  All you do is run it as though it were an executable file and nvda will install it for you.  This is if you are using an installed copy.  If a portable copy, you need to point it to the nvda directory (path name) and then it will install.

Roger











On 11/24/2016 3:21 AM, Gary Metzler wrote:
Hi All,
 
I downloaded the access32 file.  Where do I put it in nvda to get it to work?  Thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox



Thunderbird Tutorial?

J Harrington
 

Gene, is your Thunderbird tutorial still available?  If so where might I find it?
 
Jeff
 

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 7:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange thing happening in thunderbird
 

Hi

 

Are filters the same as message rules if so there is a page from mozilla that covers this at https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/organize-your-messages-using-filters

Also adding attachment and also saving them to your pc is pretty easy.

 

I think a while back i covered how to add a attachment to your email and also saving it to your pc in my thunderbird tutorial.

The insert attachment is still under the file menu and your attachments are now found in your messages section. Not much as changed in thunderbird.

 

Gene nz

 


On 24/11/2016 2:46 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Gene,

 

You're right about not being able to create message rules in windows live mail if you have an immap account. As far as thunderbird, there was supposed to be a tutorial on message rules but that never happened. That tutorial was also supposed to cover attachments but I think the person who was supposed to do the tutorial died. He worked for GW Micro.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 5:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange thing happening in thunderbird

 

Opinions may differ.  You may want to try Windows Live Mail.  The newer version uses ribbons.  The older version uses menus but you will have to get the older version from an individual.  Microsoft no longer distributes it.  I've heard contradictory things about whether the old version runs in Windows 10. 

 

One difference between Windows Live Mail and thunderbird that I consider somewhat substantive is that you can't make message rules in Windows Live Mail if you are using an IMAP account. Thunderbird lets you do so.

You can make message rules on the server level so using Windows Live Mail doesn't preclude message rules but I've never looked into how this is done.

 

Aside from that, I consider Windows Live Mail to have small advantages, but they may matter enough to consider.

 

Windows Live Mail has a very convenient short cut.  You can return to the default inbox from any folder if you issue the command control I. 

also, you can rearange the order of header fields and determine which fields are shown from the keyboard.  Thunderbird requires using a mouse or your screen-reader's drag and drop feature.  You can't rearange the order of fields or determine which fields are displayed from the keyboard.

 

And the question of rearanging the order of columns is made more important because Thunderbird shows and reads header columns in an order that a lot of blind people wouldn't want.  It reads the subject first, then the from line.  If it followed the standard order, the question of not being able to rearrange columns from the keyboard might be of slight matter.  But since the columns are in an order that would be considered undesirable for many blind people, that matter becomes more important.

 

Windows 10 has its own e-mail app but I'll let others comment on that.  I don't have Windows 10 and I haven't used it nor learned much about it.

 

Gene 

 

From: Don H

Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 3:13 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] strange thing happening in thunderbird

 

OK when using NVDA as your primary screen reader is there a better
choice for a Email client than Thunderbird?  I currently don't have
access to outlook.
Thanks



Re: Please help

Salva <sadm@...>
 

Hi. In Skype? Here, in Spain, you can call to 1800 free from skype without credit and Skype Number.
Salva

¡Atención! Usted está recibiendo un correo electrónico de una persona ciega. Por favor, si envía imágenes o gráficos, descríbalos al pie del mismo. ¡La inclusión la hacemos entre todos!

El 24 nov 2016, a las 12:51, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> escribió:

I think in the UK you need to dial something else first.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Salva" <sadm@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Please help


Hi.
But it’s not necesary, the 1800 numbers are free.
Salva

¡Atención! Usted está recibiendo un correo electrónico de una persona ciega. Por favor, si envía imágenes o gráficos, descríbalos al pie del mismo. ¡La inclusión la hacemos entre todos!

El 24 nov 2016, a las 9:41, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> escribió:

I think there is a uk, or is it Ireland number for them.


Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert Ruel" <albertruel@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Please help


Try contacting Microsoft with your question.



Microsoft Disability Answer Desk

1-800-936-5900







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sakina
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 2:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Please help



Dear All,



I am visually impaired and at very infant stages of understanding all the
technical terms of computers.



Please can any one help as to how or if I can still upgrade to window 10 as
I missed out the free upgrade.



I have an old Vista laptop and using NVDA Microsoft word, office 2003

I will greatly appreciate and look forward to any help



With kind regards Sakina





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Re: Please help

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I think in the UK you need to dial something else first.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Salva" <sadm@gmx.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Please help


Hi.
But it’s not necesary, the 1800 numbers are free.
Salva

¡Atención! Usted está recibiendo un correo electrónico de una persona ciega. Por favor, si envía imágenes o gráficos, descríbalos al pie del mismo. ¡La inclusión la hacemos entre todos!

El 24 nov 2016, a las 9:41, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> escribió:

I think there is a uk, or is it Ireland number for them.


Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert Ruel" <albertruel@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Please help


Try contacting Microsoft with your question.



Microsoft Disability Answer Desk

1-800-936-5900







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sakina
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 2:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Please help



Dear All,



I am visually impaired and at very infant stages of understanding all the
technical terms of computers.



Please can any one help as to how or if I can still upgrade to window 10 as
I missed out the free upgrade.



I have an old Vista laptop and using NVDA Microsoft word, office 2003

I will greatly appreciate and look forward to any help



With kind regards Sakina





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gn=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient>

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Re: Thunderbird Tutorial (Text Format)

Gene
 

The list probably doesn't accept attachments.  A lot of lists don't for security reasons.  Those who want to keep the tutorial for reference may either save the entire e-mail or copy and paste the document from it to another program such as Notepad, then save it.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 12:25 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thunderbird Tutorial (Text Format)

Hi Paul
I think it would better if you share as an atach file.
Cuong
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Benson" <paul.benson@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 12:01 PM
Subject: [nvda] Thunderbird Tutorial (Text Format)


> Hello all,
>
> Below my signature is a text format tutorial on Thunderbird which was
> posted a few months on a couple of UK lists by a highly-esteemed
> contributor, Mo. I recall it being posted along with a link to the
> portable version, but suspect it applies in all versions. Let's hope so.
> He also references JAWS, but perhaps this is not important?
>
> I have marked my copy into sections with a double hash sign, "##", for
> easy searching. I am not sure if I still have the original, hope this is
> not a problem. I have yet to get round to doing battle with Thunderbird,
> so cannot pass comment, other than Mo has a very good reputation on BCAB
> and Access-UK lists.
>
> Paul Benson.
>
> *  *  *
>
> ## Accessing messages.
> When you first open thunderbird, you have to tab 3 times to get to the
> list of messages.
> The layout of thunderbird is similar to outlook and outlook express.
> You have a treeview of folders, so as you're tabbing listen out for,
> treeview.
> Arrowing up and down navigates you to the different folders inbox, sent,
> trash, junk etc.
> Unfortunately, you cannot use, control Y, or the first letter of a folder
> to jump to a particular folder.
> You have to arrow through all the folders to get to the one you want.
>
> ## Following are some common shortcuts for thunderbird, as well as a link
> at the bottom for the lot.
> control N - new message.
> control shift A - to attach a file to a message.
> control R - to reply.
> control shift R - to reply to all.
> control L - to forward.
> control enter - to send.
> control shift B - for the address book.
>
> ## To send a message from a different account.
> Press, control N, as usual for a new message.
> When the new message window is displayed, press, shift tab, twice to the
> from combo box.
> Arrow down to the account that you want to send from and then tab twice to
> get back to the too box.
> Type in the person's name and tab to subject.
> Type the subject and tab to the message area and continue as normal.
>
> ## Spell checking in thunderbird is the same as outlook express.
> You press, F7, and the spell checker is displayed.
> You will be told which word is spelled wrong.
> Tab to the list of suggestions, arrow to the one you want and tab to
> change.
> You can also tab to ignore if you do not wish to make any changes.
>
> ## To create a new sub folder in your account.
> Tab to the, treeview, and arrow up/down until jaws says the name of your
> account.
> Press, applications, and click new folder.
> Type your new folder name and press, enter. The folder will then be
> created.
> Note that with some email providers, you have to arrow to the inbox and go
> to create new folder from there. this is not the case with GMail, the
> first method is recommended.
>
> ## Moving messages to a certain folder is quite simple.
> Arrow to the message you wish to move.
> Press, applications, and a menu will open.
> Arrow to, move too, and press, enter.
> Arrow down to the account you wish to move the message to and press,
> enter.
> Finally, arrow down to the folder you wish to move the message too and
> press, enter.
>
> ## To send a message to multiple people.
> Press, control N, for new message.
> Select the first person you want to send to by typing the first few
> letters of their name.
> Then press, enter, once you have the right person.
> A second box will be displayed and your screen reader will say, too edit
> combo blank.
> To tell thunderbird we want this box to be a CC box, press shift tab once
> and use your arrows to select the option you'd like CC, BCC, etc.
> When you have selected the right option, press, tab, back to the edit box.
> Instead of, too edit combo, your screen reader should now say, BCC edit
> combo, or the option you picked.
> Find the person you'd like to add to the email by typing their name, and
> press, enter, again if you'd like to select a third person to send to.
> Keep doing this until you've selected all the people you'd like to send
> to.
> Then tab, to subject, fill in the box and press, tab, to the main message
> box.
> Type your message and press, control enter, to send.
>
>
>
>
> ## To access, settings, for example to request, a read receipt.
> When writing your message, press, alt P, for the message options menu and,
> tick, the option you'd like to enable, for example, request read receipt.
>
> ## To attach a file to a message.
> Press, control shift A, when you're writing your message.
> A file browse box will open and allow you to select the file you'd like to
> send.
>
> ## To view attachments.
> Go in to the message that has an attachment.
> Press, alt M, for the message menu, then press, H, for attachments.
> The files that are attached to the message will be displayed.
> Press, enter, on the one you'd like to open or save, and then arrow to the
> option you'd like i.e., open, save, etc.
>
> ## To search for a particular sender, In any folder.
> Press control shift K, this will take you to an edit box where your screen
> reader will say, filter edit.
> Type in a keyword to filter your messages, for example, mobeen, so it
> filters all the messages specifically from me.
> Then press tab to get to the list.
> When done looking for my message, press, shift tab, to get back to the
> filter box.
> Then press, escape, twice to close the box.
> Note: if you do not do this, thunderbird will continue only displaying
> messages from me.
>
> ## To create a filter in thunderbird.
> Press, alt T, for tools.
> Go down to, message filters, and press, enter.
> A list of your message filters will be displayed.
> If you'd like to change or remove one, arrow to it and press, tab, to
> edit.
>
> ## If you would like to create a new filter.
> Tab across to the new option and press, enter.
> Fill in the boxes as follows.
> Filter name: self explanatory, to define it in the list.
> Tab past the next 2 boxes they can be left checked and again are self
> explanatory.
> Tab again and leave the box that says, before junk classification, as it
> is.
> Press, tab, and thunderbird will say, match all of the following.
> This is again the option we want, so tab twice more to reach the box that
> says, subject.
> This box is the box that allows us to specify how thunderbird searches for
> the message, for example, by subject, from, keywords, etc.
> In this case, we want to select the, from, option, so arrow down to, from.
> Tab again and the next box allows us to tell thunderbird will
> differentiate and search the, from, field.
> For example, some of the options in this box are, contains, doesn't
> contain, ends with, begins with etc.
> Your filter can search the from address for those statements.
> Select the one you'd like, then tab to the edit box and type or paste the
> address you'd like to filter, for example,  igain.com.
> Press tab twice more to the, move message too, box.
> This box allows us to choose what thunderbird does with a message.
> Leave this set, to move too, and tab again.
> The next box allows you to select where thunderbird will move the message
> too.
> To select the folder, do the following.
> Press, alt down arrow, and your screen reader should say, expanded.
> Press your, right arrow, once.
> Then press, down arrow, once.
> You should hear the name of your email account sub menu.
> Press, right arrow, then, arrow down, until you get to, deleted, or the
> folder you want to move to and press, enter.
> Now tab to, OK, and the filter should be created.
>
> ## To back up your thunderbird folder.
> Exit thunderbird, then, press windows R and paste the following:
> "
> %userprofile%
> "
> and press, enter.
> After pressing enter, your user profile folder will open.
> Press T for thunderbirdPortable, and press control C to copy the folder to
> your clipboard.
> Paste the folder to another hard drive or to your preferred backup
> location.
> This procedure backs up everything, so should anything go wrong in future
> you can simply paste the folder back to your user profile folder and
> continue using thunderbird as if nothing had happened.
>
> A full list of shortcuts can be found at:
> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/keyboard-shortcuts#thunderbird:win7:tb24
>
> *  *  *
>
>
>




access32 file

Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...>
 

Hi All,
 
I downloaded the access32 file.  Where do I put it in nvda to get it to work?  Thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox