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Re: NVDA find function

 

gene, which version of nvda do you use and whats the best version of
it do you think?

On 12/4/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I don't think this has anything to do with code on the page. I hadn't given
this much thought since I can so easily get around the problem but off and
on, using Firefox and XP and an old version of NVDA, the find command moves
me to the top of the page or about the top of the page and doesn't move me
where I want to go. I simply use the repeat search command in such a case.
I haven't played with this enough to be sure if the repeat search command
ever doesn't work properly. I thought this might be a general problem but
since I hadn't seen anything about this on the list in all this time, I
thought it might be just my problem. It may be worth looking into, or at
least, if others have a problem, it would be worth reporting here so we can
get an idea if it is a general problem or a very limited one In terms of
affected users.

Also, I continue to use an old version of NVDA for convenience. I don't use
the newer features and so I just use newer versions at times for testing
reported problems or for learning something about changes and new features.
So I didn't know if my experience reflected the old version and not newer
ones. It appears this may be a problem others are having as well.

Gene
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Yes I've noticed this. I did wonder if it may be some hidden stuff on some
pages. Sometimes it works well though.

I don't use Chrome but its better on firefox than Ie.
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From: "Don H" <lmddh50@comcast.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 6:50 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA find function


Running Win 10 and use IE, Firefox and Google Chrome as my browsers. I
find the NVDA find function very inconsistent with regards to finding
things on web pages. I invoke the find command with NVDA key control f
and type in my search term. On some occasions it finds and moves to the
search term and other times after pressing enter after entering the term I

want to search for it does nothing as if I did not press enter at all.
Works the poorest with IE but doesn't do a lot better on Firefox and
Chrome.




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Re: NVDA find function

Gene
 

I don't think this has anything to do with code on the page.  I hadn't given this much thought since I can so easily get around the problem but off and on, using Firefox and XP and an old version of NVDA, the find command moves me to the top of the page or about the top of the page and doesn't move me where I want to go.  I simply use the repeat search command in such a case.  I haven't played with this enough to be sure if the repeat search command ever doesn't work properly.  I thought this might be a general problem but since I hadn't seen anything about this on the list in all this time, I thought it might be just my problem. It may be worth looking into, or at least, if others have a problem, it would be worth reporting here so we can get an idea if it is a general problem or a very limited one In terms of affected users.
 
Also, I continue to use an old version of NVDA for convenience.  I don't use the newer features and so I just use newer versions at times for testing reported problems or for learning something about changes and new features.  So I didn't know if my experience reflected the old version and not newer ones.  It appears this may be a problem others are having as well. 
 
Gene 

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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA find function

Yes I've noticed this. I did wonder if it may be some hidden stuff on some
pages. Sometimes it works well though.

I don't use Chrome but its better on firefox than Ie.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 6:50 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA find function


> Running Win 10 and use IE, Firefox and Google Chrome as my browsers.  I
> find the NVDA find function very inconsistent with regards to finding
> things on web pages.  I invoke the find command with NVDA key control f
> and type in my search term.  On some occasions it finds and moves to the
> search term and other times after pressing enter after entering the term I
> want to search for it does nothing as if I did not press enter at all.
> Works the poorest with IE but doesn't do a lot better on Firefox and
> Chrome.
>
>
>




Re: still a newbee

David Goldfield
 

Hi, Don.

While I don't have experience with that particular Web site, I've
occasionally encountered this behavior where the NVDA find command might
not always work on Web pages. Try pressing the alt key twice, the first
time taking you to the menu bar and the second press returning your
focus, so to speak, back to the Web page. Also, try pressing the tab key
a few times, making sure that your virtual cursor is moving to some
links. Then, see if insert-ctrl-F works as expected.

David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info

On 12/4/2016 9:16 AM, Don H wrote:
Running NVDA RC1 on a Win 10 system. Using Firefox and going to a web
site like Best Buy.
I first use the search Edit box on the web page to search for Vizio
TV. On the results page I can then use the NVDA find function to get
to the results. I find the TV I want to look at and press enter. I
am now on the web page for that particular model. I am not on a edit
box so if I understand it correctly I am in review mode. I now try to
use the NVDA find function and can only get the windows fine function
to come up which of course isn't what I want. I try the NVDA find
function several times with same bad results.
I am obviously doing something wrong but being a newbee with NVDA I am
lost as to the solution. Please tell me what I am doing wrong.



still a newbee

Don H
 

Running NVDA RC1 on a Win 10 system. Using Firefox and going to a web site like Best Buy.
I first use the search Edit box on the web page to search for Vizio TV. On the results page I can then use the NVDA find function to get to the results. I find the TV I want to look at and press enter. I am now on the web page for that particular model. I am not on a edit box so if I understand it correctly I am in review mode. I now try to use the NVDA find function and can only get the windows fine function to come up which of course isn't what I want. I try the NVDA find function several times with same bad results.
I am obviously doing something wrong but being a newbee with NVDA I am lost as to the solution. Please tell me what I am doing wrong.


Re: NVDA find function

 

hi.
i have this problem too!
when i want to find something with nvda find, a sound plays and nvda
says the item is not exist in the page.
when i want to use firefox find, sometimes i can find my desire
successfully and sometimes not.
whats the problem realy?
i am sure that my desired items are exist in the page, but sometimes
without any success to find them.

On 12/4/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
Yes I've noticed this. I did wonder if it may be some hidden stuff on some
pages. Sometimes it works well though.

I don't use Chrome but its better on firefox than Ie.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@comcast.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 6:50 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA find function


Running Win 10 and use IE, Firefox and Google Chrome as my browsers. I
find the NVDA find function very inconsistent with regards to finding
things on web pages. I invoke the find command with NVDA key control f
and type in my search term. On some occasions it finds and moves to the
search term and other times after pressing enter after entering the term I

want to search for it does nothing as if I did not press enter at all.
Works the poorest with IE but doesn't do a lot better on Firefox and
Chrome.





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Re: how to use mozilla thunderbird with nvda?

Ron Canazzi
 

Hello,


OK, I never had this issue where Firefox is opening e-mail messages. Try the following.

Press alt + T for tools followed by O for options.

From the tree view arrow down to advanced settings.

tab once and make sure you are in the general tab.

then press the tab key until you hear 'always check to see if Thunderbird is the default program for e-mails. If you check this, when you run Thunderbird, you should be prompted if Thunderbird is not the default program. When you receive the prompt, then choose 'set as default.' See if this works.

On 12/4/2016 7:08 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi,
thanks extremely for your detailed and great information!
i should practice them to learn them!
when i opened one message, my firefox opened it instead of my thunderbird!
how to open them with thunderbird and set it to be easy as firefox?
i tried desabling the preference under general and unfortunately
thunderbird stors all tabs and messages which i opened previously.
besides, whats the best version in simplicity and accessibility easy
to use with nvda?
whats the best versions in this regard?
is there any advance settings that i should change like advance
settings in firefox about:config
God bless you and his infinite mercy i pray for you.

On 12/4/16, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com> wrote:
Hi Again,


I forgot a few important items.


You may be having confusion because of the start page issue. Under
tools/options/general, uncheck the box that says 'show the start page in
the message area.' This way, when you launch Thunderbird, you will go
directly to your list of folder/messages.


If you receive a message with an attachment, with the message open,
press alt + M for the message item and H for the attachments item. You
will then see a bunch of choices including open (the name of the file
attachment) open all, save all and so on.


You can also use tab and shift tab to get to the attachments and use the
right click (context menu) item, but this is a bit cumbersome, so i
prefer the former method.


Also, I find the following to work well--though a bit cumbersome when
trying to place addresses in various of the CC/BCC/To fields.


If you open a new message and back tab 8 times, you are placed in the
list of addresses in your default or main address book. If you want to
do a mass mailing, thenyou can arrow down or use first letter
navigation (which works for the address book, and select address with
the control + space bar method and then press the following keystrokes
to place large numbers of addresses into the various fields.


alt + A for To field

alt + C for CC field

alt + B for BCC field.


If you wish to place various addresses in multiple field, each time you
place them there, you will have to back tab again until you hear
'contacts, tree view.' This will place you back into the list of
addresses to continue choosing separate fields until you have completed
your list of mass addresses. It is a bit cumbersome, but unless someone
else has figured out a better way, it is better than going directly from
the address book and then moving around the list and right clicking and
tghen choosing write and then moving the addresses around from field to
field to that you have some in the to field, some in the cc field and
some in the bcc field.


I hope this meandering list of commands over the course of two messages
helps someone some way.





On 12/4/2016 6:10 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hello:


Thunderbird is pretty straight forward. Once you install the
program, you must set up your account. By default, after the first
installation, this screen comes up--where you enter your e-mail
address, name, server settings and so on. If for some reason, it does
not come up after the first installation, then you can find settings
for the e-mail account under the tools menu (alt +
T) and the accounting settings (press S after alt + T) item.


Once the account settings screen comes up, tab once to the account
settings button and press space bar. A context menu opens and one of
the choice is 'add e-mail account.' If you choose this item, a
standard mail configuration screen comes up and you fill in your
information.


Now here are a few settings that I prefer. Others may have different
opinions. I came from the Outlook Express experience in earlier
versions of Windows, so I set my view settings as follows.


Under the tool bars menu under view, I have menu bar and status bar
checked.

Under the layout sub menu item under view, I have the folder pain
checked and the classic view item checked. I do not have the message
pain checked. This causes problems with many screen reader users. If
this gets checked by accident, it toggles on and off with the press of
the function Key 8 on your keyboard.


Under the folder sub menu item under view, I have the all item
checked--nothing else.


Under the today pane, I have none checked--nothing else. This feature
is nice for sighted people, but it can cause issues for screen readers.


The sort by item is up to you. I have date and ascending order
checked which places the most recent messages at the bottom of the
list in each folder.


The thread sub menu item is also personal preference but I have all
checked and then I use the command letter N when in a folder with no
open messages to unsort to read each message separately so they won't
open all at once and the letter T for setting them back to threaded so
I can do mass deletions.


Under the headers sub menu item, I have normal checked. This avoids
the full headers which take up a massive amount of space with
gibberish most people don't understand.


Under the message body as item, I have simple HTML which suffices for
most purposes.


The display attachments inline should be unchecked--otherwise files
you attach which are binary or music will create a lot of gibberish
that no one can read.


Now here are a few shortcut and hotkeys to get you started. Many of
them are similar to Outlook Express with a few notable exceptions.


To bring up the address book where you can create e-mail address and
properly send e-mail, the keystroke is control+ shift + B. From the
address book, check the various sub menus for how to create new
entries (control + N) and so on.


To start a new message from scratch without using the address book,
the keystroke is Control + N.

To reply to a message you have received the keystroke is Control + R.
If you wish to respond to everyone in the headers the keystroke is
control + shift + R.

Here's one odd one. To forward a message, press control + L. This
differs from most other Microsoft clients which use Control +

F.

Control + F is used either to find messages in a folder with no open
messages, or to find text in an open message.

To attach a file, from an open message you are writing, press control
+ shift + A. This opens a browse for folder/file dialogue where you
can move to the default folder for attachments.

Once you have completed writing a message, you can either configure
the message to be sent immediately under your account settings or you
can use the keystroke control + enter to send the message. If send
immediately is not configured, you will receive a prompt to send the
message after pressing control + enter to whcih you respond yes.


As far as navigation from folder to folder, the easiest way to do this
in my opinion is to use the Function key 6 (F6) keystroke that will
move ou from the list of messages, to the tabs to the folder list. For
example, if you are in the list of messages and you press F6, you
should go to the folder list. One important thing to remember is that
first letter navigation within the folder list is not possible for
some reason. Unlike in Outlook Express, you must use up and down
arrow keys to move from one folder to another in the tree view and
then press tab once to move to the list of messages in each folder.
That's one big drawback.


For any more settings issues, use the tools menu alt + T and choose
options. There are a bunch of settings for everything from signatures
to just how return receipts are handled. Explore these settings and
make preferred choices.


As with any new program, check under the various menus--both from the
main inbox folder and from wsithin a new message or open message to
get further tips and tricks as to how to use the program.





On 12/4/2016 2:52 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hello every one.
i tried mozilla thunderbird for the second time without any success.
i could not do anything with it.
could you please send me a link which contains complete tutorial in
using thunderbird with nvda?
thanks extremely for your help and God bless you all.
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Re: regression with adobe flash

 

i know that its safe to install addons from the original sites.
but i prefer that use only programs not addons.
i am sure that the main program without addons are more fast, stable
and reliable.

On 12/4/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
I'm sure somebody will say that you need at least two browsers and you
really do need an ad blocker as well. I think you are safe with the nvda
add ons from the official site, since they have been checked out.
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From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 4:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash


hi gene thanks so much for helping me and your helpful informations
about addons and malwarebytes.
i use only one browser and i try to remove another ones even internet
explorer for many reasons!
i tried webvisum for month and always it causes crashes for my firefox.
so, i removed it many months ago!
i even dont install any addon for nvda!
only i use the installer version of nvda without no addons and
completely i am satisfied from it.

On 12/4/16, David <trailerdavid@hotmail.com> wrote:
The NoScript add-on for firefox, is extremely simple to use. And it
works all by key commands, so is fully accessible. The difference with
and without it running, in certain cases could be described as nothing
less than extreme.

Get it installed, by downloading it from the official Firefox Add-On
website. Note that if you get copies from outside that site, the add-on
might not be signed, hence will be blocked in Firefox 45 or above.

Once installed, go ahead and do your browsing as normal. When you get to
a page which might seem cluttered, or in any other way trouble you, do
as follow.

Hit the App-key, alternatively Shift-F10, to open the application menu.
Arrow down to the entry that says NoScript. Hit Enter, or Right-Arrow,
to open the submenu.

You now will see a list of all scripts that are tied to this site. For
each script, there will be two entries. One to permanently allow the
script, and one for only temporarily allowing the script running. All
scripts that has not been allowed, will automatically be blocked.

So, scroll your way down the scripts, allowing the ones you will know
you can trust, and which will not cause trouble. If you are in doubt of
one of the entries, simply try with it blocked, and then try temporarily
allowing it. The temporary allowance will stay in effect, long as you
are on that particular site. Leaving the site, and then revisiting it,
only the permanently allowed scripts will stay allowed. Even if you find
that one script - which you previously have allowed - causes you some
trouble, you can easily go into the NoScript submenu and block it from
future run.

The NoScript also has its own Options page, where you can set numerous
behavial options for the add-on's functionality. For instance, I have
set mine to give a sound signal, whenever it is blocking scripts.
Thereby I know that there might be a chance things will change, if I try
unblocking some scripts. Useful when you hit a new site, and think it
should show more info than what is currently the case.

One place I do see a whole big difference with the add-on running, is
when visiting sites on EBay. Some of their scripts are simply just
causing big issues with a screen reader. Blocking them with NoScript is
a matter of a breeze, and results in the EBay system to be far more
blind friendly. Other netshops, or sites that are loaded with ads, might
be far more accessible, when you block some of all the visualizing
scripts, and other fancy-ware they love to put on modern webpages.

Yet another good thing about NoScript, is this:
Many fo the scripts you will experience on the websites you visit, tend
to install cookies on your computer. These might in turn cause trouble.
For instance, a cookie on your computer, might cause certain background
activity to keep in business, even when you leave the website that
initiated the script. Such could be the trouble that causes a screen
reader to malfunction. Have seen this numerous times. Since NoScript
blocks the script from initiating itself, it also blocks the cookie from
being installed on your computer, hence no further activity of that
script can take place. Your system simply might just benefit from the
less polluted environment.

Like I said, many websites these days, tend to load your system with
numerous, less beneficial scripts. For instance, there ar many scripts
that will activate advertisements on the site. Others intend to give the
website a more fancy look, that is, for the sighted person. For the
screen reader, it could mean the whole page to be inaccessible. Some
scripts are collecting statistical information about your browsing
behavior; who knows what they are going to use that for. And still
others will cause the page to be constantly updated, like in the case of
EBay sites. Blocking these scripts, will cause your screen reader to get
a more stabil webpage to read.

For those who have not yet given the NoScript add-on for Firefox a try,
I strongly recommend it. It has been around for a number of years, is
totally free, receives frequent updates, and has been suggested for many
a screen reader user.. In fact, it was another user who adviced I give
it a try. And I have never looked back. It is the number one add-on I
install on new installations of Firefox.

David


On 12/3/2016 5:12 PM, Gene wrote:
> The way you discussed enabling or disabling JAVA script in
about:config is one way. There is a plug in named no script but I
haven't used it enough to evaluate it well. I'm not sure how easy it is
to use it to block scripts and unblock them. Others will probably
comment on that.
>
> One convenient option is to use two different copies of Firefox
portable on your machine. Or you could use the installed version and
have a copy of Firefox portable on the same machine. You would have
JAVA scripts disabled in one of the programs and enabled in the other.
You could easily and conveniently use one browser on a site where you
want to use JAVA scripts and the other browser where you don't want to
use them. You wouldn't have to then keep changing settings in the
browser.
>
> Gene
>
> From: nasrin khaksar
> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 9:45 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash
>
> hi geen again.
> you rescued me from a very big concern!
> i realy pray for you and admire your help and useful informations.
> and thanks so much for the great news about reduce use of flash in
firefox!
> about your question, when i realy need one audio file, i select to
> open it with the potplayer or download it.
> and when i dont need it, i benefit from not waisting of my internet
charge!
> and how do you activate and deactivate javascript when you need and
> dont need it?
> i only know that about:config and make true and false
javascript.enabled.
>
> On 12/3/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
> > I don't see why you would have a JAVA plugin if you didn't install
the JAVA
> > program. The plugin is installed by JAVA.
> >
> > As far as JAVA settings in the about:config settings are concerned,
as far
> > as I can see, they all apply to JAVA script, not to JAVA, the
program. The
> > one I wasn't sure of, I did a Google search on and it has nothing
to do with
> > JAVA, the program.
> >
> > Gene
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: nasrin khaksar
> > Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 7:49 AM
> > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> > Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash
> >
> >
> > hi gene.
> > thanks for your useful information.
> > i never dont install java program but i am afraid always that is it
> > possible that java plugin works in the browser without installing
java
> > program?
> > if its no, whats the reason that i see java plugin in firefox
> > about:config and i change plugin.state.java to 0?
> > i use windows xp and the newer versions of java and also firefox 53
> > and later, dont support xp.
> > which version of windows, do you use?
> > thanks and God bless you for your help.
> >
> > On 12/3/16, Brice Mijares <bricemijares@att.net> wrote:
> >> I read some where last week where FX will prevent adobe flash from
> >> working by summer of 2017.
> >>
> >> On 12/3/2016 12:18 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
> >>> hi.
> >>> i recommend you not to use java and flash for there security
problems.
> >>> i never dont install and use them and i did not see any problem
for
> >>> this.
> >>>
> >>> On 12/3/16, Sharni-Lee Ward <sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> I think OP wants an answer to their problem. I will try this with
> >>>> Chrome
> >>>> later, and I apologise for hijacking the thread.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> OP is having an issue I had previously that was fixed by "Kill
> >>>> Windowless
> >>>> Flash", which was a useful script but no longer seems to be
working
> >>>> with
> >>>> current Firefox. NVDA doesn't let you into certain embedded
objects if
> >>>> you
> >>>> don't have this script, instead saying "Embedded Object
Unavailable."
> >>>> Is
> >>>> there a fix for this that doesn't involve the apparently defunct
"Kill
> >>>> Windowless Flash" Greasemonkey script?
> >>>>
> >>>> On 3/12/2016 4:41 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> let me clerify a point. Flash isn't crashing. Rather, nvda is
failing
> >>>> to
> >>>> access the object. A situation directly the fault of nvda.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 12/3/2016 7:42 AM, Gene wrote:
> >>>> Proof of what? I think it's likely that Flash would run properly
in
> >>>> Chrome
> >>>> on the machine. I won't have proof unless it is tried. We
don't know
> >>>> if
> >>>> Flash is crashing because Flash is crashing or if Flash is
crashing
> >>>> because
> >>>> of some sort of problem when it is run with Firefox. Chrome
isn't
> >>>> perfectly
> >>>> accessible but it is reasonably so and should serve quite well
when
> >>>> used
> >>>> on
> >>>> sites with flash. Chrome has quirks when working with settings
and I'm
> >>>> not
> >>>> sure if it reads all structures on web pages as well as Firefox
but
> >>>> when
> >>>> used on web pages, it is nearly as accessible, if not as
accessible, as
> >>>> Chrome. And for this very limited use, there may be no need to
work
> >>>> with
> >>>> settings.
> >>>>
> >>>> Of course, working on why flash is crashing with the browser
currently
> >>>> being
> >>>> used could be investigated on a technical list of blind users or
on a
> >>>> site
> >>>> like Bleeping Computer. It would probably be faster and easier
to just
> >>>> try
> >>>> Chrome.
> >>>>
> >>>> Gene
> >>>>
> >>>> From: enes sarıbaş<mailto:enes.saribas@gmail.com>
> >>>> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 10:10 PM
> >>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> do you have actual proof of this? Since adobe flash, is the same
flash
> >>>> used
> >>>> in chrome, I would asume the same problems exist. Also, chrome
had
> >>>> accessibility issues last I remember.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 12/3/2016 7:06 AM, Gene wrote:
> >>>> I'm not sure but this is a very good example of why you should
use more
> >>>> than
> >>>> one browser. If you use Chrome for sites where you want to use
Flash,
> >>>> you
> >>>> will probably have no problem. Flash is built into Chrome so
you don't
> >>>> have
> >>>> to install or update it. It updates itself automatically within
> >>>> Chrome.
> >>>>
> >>>> Gene
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: Sharni-Lee Ward<mailto:sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com>
> >>>> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 9:18 PM
> >>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash
> >>>>
> >>>> I haven't been able to use the Adobe Flash plugin for years now.
It
> >>>> always crashes
> >>>>
> >>>> if I load a page in Firefox that happens to have Flash content.
I've
> >>>> long since given up trying and am just happy that YouTube has an
> >>>> alternate player.
> >>>>
> >>>> If anyone could tell me why my flash player isn't working I'd
also be
> >>>> very grateful.
> >>>> On 3/12/2016 1:56 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
> >>>>> hi,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The kill windowless flash script seems to no longer be working.
> >>>>> Whenever I encounter a flash object, nvda anounces it as
unavailable.
> >>>>> Is there anything I can do about this?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
> > holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
> > in the very authentic narration is:
> > imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
> > best website for studying islamic book in different languages
> > al-islam.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
> in the very authentic narration is:
> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
> al-islam.org
>
>
>
>






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org






--
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holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: NVDA 2016.4rc1 released

 

hi brian.
do you mean that nvda 16.4 is more fast in xp?
in the previous version, sometimes i face hang or silence of nvda.

On 12/4/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
It works fine in XP here too, In fact its a little bit faster for some
things I notice.
The one sad thing is not nvda's fault is that portable versions of nvda in

windows ten are increasingly crippled by that operating systems security
systems stopping the portable copy form using some of theways of detecting
objects etc.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 4:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.4rc1 released


hi.
everythings for me on windows xp is great and i wish that remain great
in 2016.4 too!
thanks extremely for great nvda again!

On 12/3/16, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
This buggy behaviour is specific to NVDA version 2016.4 RC 1, and I
did not notice this while using version 2016.3. For the record, the
Skype version in use at my end is Skype™‎ Version 7.29.0.102.
Thanks.

On 12/4/16, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com> wrote:
Using Windows 10, Skype 7.29, NVDA 2016.4RC1, I do not have that
behaviour.

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Bhavya shah
Data: 3 de dezembro de 2016 18:27
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.4rc1 released

Hi,
I would like other testers to try replicating this issue, in order to
confirm its presence. In this release candidate, in Skype for Desktop,
on a Windows 8.1 machine, NVDA is at random yet frequent moments
constantly repeating a certain Skype name. It is also mishandling
incoming Skype chats, by announcing the sender's name twice, and then
providing the expected speech feedback. I would like to believe that
opening of Skype for Desktop with an account receiving Skype chats
periodically should suffice in attempts to reproduce this odd
behaviour.
Otherwise, all features and functionalities in NVDA version 2016.4 RC
1 seem well-implemented and bug-free to me.
Thanks.

On 12/3/16, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, Quentin,



I was able to log in to my gmail account. I didn't change my password
so
I
don't know what's going on with the mail ap. It worked before so I
don't
know what else to do. I'm glad I have outlook or thunderbird for
emailing
for right now.



Rosemarie







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Quentin
Christensen
Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 10:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.4rc1 released



Hi Rosemarie,



You might need to log in with your account again? Perhaps you have
changed
your password etc elsewhere?



On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 10:22 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria
<knitqueen2007@gmail.com <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi, David,



I just tried the mail ap but I got this message saying my account was
out

of
date. I was thinking of using it but I don't think so now.



Rosemarie







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> ] On Behalf Of
David Moore
Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 3:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.4rc1 released



Hi all,

Thank you so much Quenton for posting this great news. I just found out
that
NVDA 2016.4rc1 makes the weather app and the store more accessible.
Also,
the mail app works much better with NvDA. This is so exciting. I will
let
you know how NVDA now works in many apps.

David Moore

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows
10



From: Quentin Christensen <mailto:quentin@nvaccess.org>
Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 2:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2016.4rc1 released



Hi all,

NVDA 2016.4rc1 has just been released for testing. This is a release
candidate, which means that unless any critical issues are found, this
will be identical to the final 2016.4 release.

See this blog post for what's new and a download link:
<http://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2016-4rc1-released/>
http://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2016-4rc1-released/



Regards



Quentin.




--

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Contacting Me
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--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: Some issues with NVDA's reading

 

No, no changes, but still, every little bit helps. I tried downgrading again but I still have this issue.


On 12/4/2016 6:00 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Have there been any changes done to which bit of punctuation is in which punctuation mode? Having said that the  accentuation for an exclamation mark is not always that great anyway.

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Kingett" <kingettr@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some issues with NVDA's reading


I am using the elequence engine but when I switch to Sapi 5 it still
does this. It started when I upgraded to 2016.4 RC but I downgraded and
I am still having this problem.


On 12/3/2016 1:44 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
K, yeah, but what TTS engine are you using, or does that not matter.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.
info@... <mailto:info@...>
Phone: (704) 256-8010.

    ----- Original Message -----
    *From:* Robert Kingett <mailto:kingettr@...>
    *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
    *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2016 2:41 PM
    *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Some issues with NVDA's reading

    I am having an issue similar to yours, but NVDA will not see
    anything with an exclimation mark in it. If I type one, NVDA says
    nothing, in terms of punctuation. It sounds like it was typed
    without anything at the end.     or does not even change inflection.










Re: NVDA 2016.4rc1 released

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

It works fine in XP here too, In fact its a little bit faster for some things I notice.
The one sad thing is not nvda's fault is that portable versions of nvda in windows ten are increasingly crippled by that operating systems security systems stopping the portable copy form using some of theways of detecting objects etc.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 4:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.4rc1 released


hi.
everythings for me on windows xp is great and i wish that remain great
in 2016.4 too!
thanks extremely for great nvda again!

On 12/3/16, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
This buggy behaviour is specific to NVDA version 2016.4 RC 1, and I
did not notice this while using version 2016.3. For the record, the
Skype version in use at my end is Skype™‎ Version 7.29.0.102.
Thanks.

On 12/4/16, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com> wrote:
Using Windows 10, Skype 7.29, NVDA 2016.4RC1, I do not have that
behaviour.

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Bhavya shah
Data: 3 de dezembro de 2016 18:27
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.4rc1 released

Hi,
I would like other testers to try replicating this issue, in order to
confirm its presence. In this release candidate, in Skype for Desktop,
on a Windows 8.1 machine, NVDA is at random yet frequent moments
constantly repeating a certain Skype name. It is also mishandling
incoming Skype chats, by announcing the sender's name twice, and then
providing the expected speech feedback. I would like to believe that
opening of Skype for Desktop with an account receiving Skype chats
periodically should suffice in attempts to reproduce this odd
behaviour.
Otherwise, all features and functionalities in NVDA version 2016.4 RC
1 seem well-implemented and bug-free to me.
Thanks.

On 12/3/16, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, Quentin,



I was able to log in to my gmail account. I didn't change my password so
I
don't know what's going on with the mail ap. It worked before so I don't
know what else to do. I'm glad I have outlook or thunderbird for
emailing
for right now.



Rosemarie







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Quentin
Christensen
Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 10:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.4rc1 released



Hi Rosemarie,



You might need to log in with your account again? Perhaps you have
changed
your password etc elsewhere?



On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 10:22 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria
<knitqueen2007@gmail.com <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi, David,



I just tried the mail ap but I got this message saying my account was
out

of
date. I was thinking of using it but I don't think so now.



Rosemarie







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> ] On Behalf Of
David Moore
Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 3:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.4rc1 released



Hi all,

Thank you so much Quenton for posting this great news. I just found out
that
NVDA 2016.4rc1 makes the weather app and the store more accessible.
Also,
the mail app works much better with NvDA. This is so exciting. I will
let
you know how NVDA now works in many apps.

David Moore

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows
10



From: Quentin Christensen <mailto:quentin@nvaccess.org>
Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 2:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2016.4rc1 released



Hi all,

NVDA 2016.4rc1 has just been released for testing. This is a release
candidate, which means that unless any critical issues are found, this
will be identical to the final 2016.4 release.

See this blog post for what's new and a download link:
<http://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2016-4rc1-released/>
http://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2016-4rc1-released/



Regards



Quentin.




--

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Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
available:
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(www.nvaccess.org)

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E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
Follow me on Twitter @BhavyaShah125 or www.twitter.com/BhavyaShah125
Mobile Number: +91 7506221750







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Contacting Me
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Follow me on Twitter @BhavyaShah125 or www.twitter.com/BhavyaShah125
Mobile Number: +91 7506221750




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holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
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imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: regression with adobe flash

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I'm sure somebody will say that you need at least two browsers and you really do need an ad blocker as well. I think you are safe with the nvda add ons from the official site, since they have been checked out.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 4:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash


hi gene thanks so much for helping me and your helpful informations
about addons and malwarebytes.
i use only one browser and i try to remove another ones even internet
explorer for many reasons!
i tried webvisum for month and always it causes crashes for my firefox.
so, i removed it many months ago!
i even dont install any addon for nvda!
only i use the installer version of nvda without no addons and
completely i am satisfied from it.

On 12/4/16, David <trailerdavid@hotmail.com> wrote:
The NoScript add-on for firefox, is extremely simple to use. And it
works all by key commands, so is fully accessible. The difference with
and without it running, in certain cases could be described as nothing
less than extreme.

Get it installed, by downloading it from the official Firefox Add-On
website. Note that if you get copies from outside that site, the add-on
might not be signed, hence will be blocked in Firefox 45 or above.

Once installed, go ahead and do your browsing as normal. When you get to
a page which might seem cluttered, or in any other way trouble you, do
as follow.

Hit the App-key, alternatively Shift-F10, to open the application menu.
Arrow down to the entry that says NoScript. Hit Enter, or Right-Arrow,
to open the submenu.

You now will see a list of all scripts that are tied to this site. For
each script, there will be two entries. One to permanently allow the
script, and one for only temporarily allowing the script running. All
scripts that has not been allowed, will automatically be blocked.

So, scroll your way down the scripts, allowing the ones you will know
you can trust, and which will not cause trouble. If you are in doubt of
one of the entries, simply try with it blocked, and then try temporarily
allowing it. The temporary allowance will stay in effect, long as you
are on that particular site. Leaving the site, and then revisiting it,
only the permanently allowed scripts will stay allowed. Even if you find
that one script - which you previously have allowed - causes you some
trouble, you can easily go into the NoScript submenu and block it from
future run.

The NoScript also has its own Options page, where you can set numerous
behavial options for the add-on's functionality. For instance, I have
set mine to give a sound signal, whenever it is blocking scripts.
Thereby I know that there might be a chance things will change, if I try
unblocking some scripts. Useful when you hit a new site, and think it
should show more info than what is currently the case.

One place I do see a whole big difference with the add-on running, is
when visiting sites on EBay. Some of their scripts are simply just
causing big issues with a screen reader. Blocking them with NoScript is
a matter of a breeze, and results in the EBay system to be far more
blind friendly. Other netshops, or sites that are loaded with ads, might
be far more accessible, when you block some of all the visualizing
scripts, and other fancy-ware they love to put on modern webpages.

Yet another good thing about NoScript, is this:
Many fo the scripts you will experience on the websites you visit, tend
to install cookies on your computer. These might in turn cause trouble.
For instance, a cookie on your computer, might cause certain background
activity to keep in business, even when you leave the website that
initiated the script. Such could be the trouble that causes a screen
reader to malfunction. Have seen this numerous times. Since NoScript
blocks the script from initiating itself, it also blocks the cookie from
being installed on your computer, hence no further activity of that
script can take place. Your system simply might just benefit from the
less polluted environment.

Like I said, many websites these days, tend to load your system with
numerous, less beneficial scripts. For instance, there ar many scripts
that will activate advertisements on the site. Others intend to give the
website a more fancy look, that is, for the sighted person. For the
screen reader, it could mean the whole page to be inaccessible. Some
scripts are collecting statistical information about your browsing
behavior; who knows what they are going to use that for. And still
others will cause the page to be constantly updated, like in the case of
EBay sites. Blocking these scripts, will cause your screen reader to get
a more stabil webpage to read.

For those who have not yet given the NoScript add-on for Firefox a try,
I strongly recommend it. It has been around for a number of years, is
totally free, receives frequent updates, and has been suggested for many
a screen reader user.. In fact, it was another user who adviced I give
it a try. And I have never looked back. It is the number one add-on I
install on new installations of Firefox.

David


On 12/3/2016 5:12 PM, Gene wrote:
> The way you discussed enabling or disabling JAVA script in
about:config is one way. There is a plug in named no script but I
haven't used it enough to evaluate it well. I'm not sure how easy it is
to use it to block scripts and unblock them. Others will probably
comment on that.
>
> One convenient option is to use two different copies of Firefox
portable on your machine. Or you could use the installed version and
have a copy of Firefox portable on the same machine. You would have
JAVA scripts disabled in one of the programs and enabled in the other.
You could easily and conveniently use one browser on a site where you
want to use JAVA scripts and the other browser where you don't want to
use them. You wouldn't have to then keep changing settings in the browser.
>
> Gene
>
> From: nasrin khaksar
> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 9:45 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash
>
> hi geen again.
> you rescued me from a very big concern!
> i realy pray for you and admire your help and useful informations.
> and thanks so much for the great news about reduce use of flash in
firefox!
> about your question, when i realy need one audio file, i select to
> open it with the potplayer or download it.
> and when i dont need it, i benefit from not waisting of my internet
charge!
> and how do you activate and deactivate javascript when you need and
> dont need it?
> i only know that about:config and make true and false
javascript.enabled.
>
> On 12/3/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
> > I don't see why you would have a JAVA plugin if you didn't install
the JAVA
> > program. The plugin is installed by JAVA.
> >
> > As far as JAVA settings in the about:config settings are concerned,
as far
> > as I can see, they all apply to JAVA script, not to JAVA, the
program. The
> > one I wasn't sure of, I did a Google search on and it has nothing
to do with
> > JAVA, the program.
> >
> > Gene
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: nasrin khaksar
> > Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 7:49 AM
> > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> > Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash
> >
> >
> > hi gene.
> > thanks for your useful information.
> > i never dont install java program but i am afraid always that is it
> > possible that java plugin works in the browser without installing
java
> > program?
> > if its no, whats the reason that i see java plugin in firefox
> > about:config and i change plugin.state.java to 0?
> > i use windows xp and the newer versions of java and also firefox 53
> > and later, dont support xp.
> > which version of windows, do you use?
> > thanks and God bless you for your help.
> >
> > On 12/3/16, Brice Mijares <bricemijares@att.net> wrote:
> >> I read some where last week where FX will prevent adobe flash from
> >> working by summer of 2017.
> >>
> >> On 12/3/2016 12:18 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
> >>> hi.
> >>> i recommend you not to use java and flash for there security
problems.
> >>> i never dont install and use them and i did not see any problem for
> >>> this.
> >>>
> >>> On 12/3/16, Sharni-Lee Ward <sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> I think OP wants an answer to their problem. I will try this with
> >>>> Chrome
> >>>> later, and I apologise for hijacking the thread.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> OP is having an issue I had previously that was fixed by "Kill
> >>>> Windowless
> >>>> Flash", which was a useful script but no longer seems to be
working
> >>>> with
> >>>> current Firefox. NVDA doesn't let you into certain embedded
objects if
> >>>> you
> >>>> don't have this script, instead saying "Embedded Object
Unavailable."
> >>>> Is
> >>>> there a fix for this that doesn't involve the apparently defunct
"Kill
> >>>> Windowless Flash" Greasemonkey script?
> >>>>
> >>>> On 3/12/2016 4:41 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> let me clerify a point. Flash isn't crashing. Rather, nvda is
failing
> >>>> to
> >>>> access the object. A situation directly the fault of nvda.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 12/3/2016 7:42 AM, Gene wrote:
> >>>> Proof of what? I think it's likely that Flash would run properly
in
> >>>> Chrome
> >>>> on the machine. I won't have proof unless it is tried. We
don't know
> >>>> if
> >>>> Flash is crashing because Flash is crashing or if Flash is
crashing
> >>>> because
> >>>> of some sort of problem when it is run with Firefox. Chrome isn't
> >>>> perfectly
> >>>> accessible but it is reasonably so and should serve quite well
when
> >>>> used
> >>>> on
> >>>> sites with flash. Chrome has quirks when working with settings
and I'm
> >>>> not
> >>>> sure if it reads all structures on web pages as well as Firefox
but
> >>>> when
> >>>> used on web pages, it is nearly as accessible, if not as
accessible, as
> >>>> Chrome. And for this very limited use, there may be no need to
work
> >>>> with
> >>>> settings.
> >>>>
> >>>> Of course, working on why flash is crashing with the browser
currently
> >>>> being
> >>>> used could be investigated on a technical list of blind users or
on a
> >>>> site
> >>>> like Bleeping Computer. It would probably be faster and easier
to just
> >>>> try
> >>>> Chrome.
> >>>>
> >>>> Gene
> >>>>
> >>>> From: enes sarıbaş<mailto:enes.saribas@gmail.com>
> >>>> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 10:10 PM
> >>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> do you have actual proof of this? Since adobe flash, is the same
flash
> >>>> used
> >>>> in chrome, I would asume the same problems exist. Also, chrome
had
> >>>> accessibility issues last I remember.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 12/3/2016 7:06 AM, Gene wrote:
> >>>> I'm not sure but this is a very good example of why you should
use more
> >>>> than
> >>>> one browser. If you use Chrome for sites where you want to use
Flash,
> >>>> you
> >>>> will probably have no problem. Flash is built into Chrome so
you don't
> >>>> have
> >>>> to install or update it. It updates itself automatically within
> >>>> Chrome.
> >>>>
> >>>> Gene
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: Sharni-Lee Ward<mailto:sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com>
> >>>> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 9:18 PM
> >>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash
> >>>>
> >>>> I haven't been able to use the Adobe Flash plugin for years now.
It
> >>>> always crashes
> >>>>
> >>>> if I load a page in Firefox that happens to have Flash content.
I've
> >>>> long since given up trying and am just happy that YouTube has an
> >>>> alternate player.
> >>>>
> >>>> If anyone could tell me why my flash player isn't working I'd
also be
> >>>> very grateful.
> >>>> On 3/12/2016 1:56 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
> >>>>> hi,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The kill windowless flash script seems to no longer be working.
> >>>>> Whenever I encounter a flash object, nvda anounces it as
unavailable.
> >>>>> Is there anything I can do about this?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
> > holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
> > in the very authentic narration is:
> > imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
> > best website for studying islamic book in different languages
> > al-islam.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
> in the very authentic narration is:
> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
> al-islam.org
>
>
>
>






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Re: My NVDA Screen reader not working properly

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There is no best any more. It just depends if you have been having issues with a particular bit of malware and that anti malware program makes a good job of getting rid of it.
Also some of them shove perfectly good bits of software like password stores or some email password rminder software as a hacker type tool.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 4:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] My NVDA Screen reader not working properly


hi gene.
but which is the best antimalware antispyware according to my cryteria?

On 12/4/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I did a Google search for a phrase like Spybot search and destroy after
seeing your comments and found contradictory information. A user forum on
Bleeping Computer had negative comments from two or three people and no
positive ones that I recall. That was from 2014. A 2016 review in PC Mag
gave it a really bad review. I saw two or three other reviews that gave it
a good or very good review. So users will have to do their own research and
make up their own minds about it.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: David
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 2:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] My NVDA Screen reader not working properly


Let me arrest you a whole lot on one point here.




Recently I had severe trouble with my Window-Eyes in cooperation with both
Firefox and Thunderbird. No matter what settings I meddled with, the trouble
kept sticky.




I ran several clean-up utilities, including both locally installed, and
online scanners. Also tried the newest version of Malwarebytes. No chance.
The troubles persisted.




Finally, I decided to give Spybot a go, and to the highest contrary of your
claimed statement, Spybot was that effective, that I have had no trouble
since. This all took place within the last four months. So your statement
that the software has not been effective, at least proved itself wrong in my
case.




Spybot further do receive updates - both to the main core software, and the
databases - on a regular basis. If you have not given it a try for a few
years, then go and try it out, and see if you still think it is not
effective. I only can speak for my own experience, and that of which I am
told from other users on other lists.




DavidOn 12/3/2016 5:06 PM, Gene wrote:

Spybot hasn't been effective for years. Malware Bytes is considered an
exceptionally good program.

Gene


From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 9:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] My NVDA Screen reader not working properly


hi david.
are the antimalware which you mentioned freeware, efficient, and
accessible for us?
are they trustworthy and safe to remove only malitious files not our
healthy files?
thanks so much.

On 12/3/16, David <trailerdavid@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Sounds like you have some sort of bug on the system, or other things
> conflicting.
>
>
> Here, let me give you but one thing to try.
>
>
> Turn off NVDA, and then launch Narrator. The safest way, which will
work
> in all flavors of Windows, would be to hit the Win-R, and then type
in
> "narrator" (without the quotes), and hit Enter.
>
>
> With Narrator loaded, try to launch Internet Explorer. Does it still
> take an excessive amount of time to load? If so, the trouble sits
with
> Internet Explorer, most likely. Or, generally in your computer
system,
> somewhere.
>
>
> On the other hand, should it now be that Internet Explorer will load
> fast and smoothly, likely something is going on between the the
browser
> and NVDA.
>
>
> Secondly, let me take you a step further, if the browser is sluggish,
> even with Narrator.
>
>
> In this case, you might want to trace possible troubles within the
> browser. Since it loads slowly anyway, you can go back to using NVDA,
> for the further investigation.
>
>
> Not sure which flavor of Windows you are on, but if you are on Win7
and
> above, hit the Win-key, and type the first few letters in "Internet
> Explorer". When it pops up as the alternative, arrow down once or
twice,
> till you get to the entry that says something like: "Load Internet
> Expleorer without add-ons". Hit Enter here, and see if your browser
> loads fast now. If so, you might want to go through the add-ons
> installed in your browser. You will find the Add-on manager under
Tools,
> if memory serves me right.
>
>
> Should your browser still be slow and sluggish, I only could suggest
for
> you to clean out any cookies you do not fully and completely need.
>
>
> All of this, is of course made as suggestions, based on the fact that
> you are sure to run a clean system. If not, I would strongly
recommend
> you give your computer a thorough laundry and vacuum cleaning. That
is
> to say, run at least one piece of Anti-Virus scan, and no less than
one
> Anti-Malware scan. Either use locally installed products, which you
can
> download for free, or use online services. Note, if you are on a
dial-up
> connection, please do not run online scanners, as the traffic over
the
> net will be extensive, and your phone bill will raise dramatically.
>
>
> Free anti-malware scanners that might be of interest, could be
> Malwarebytes, or Spybot Search & Destroy. You will find those and
> others, from the Ninite site, which I strongly recommend since you
then
> won't get loads of bloatware along with your installation. Ninite you
> find here:
>
> www.ninite.com/
>
>
> Hope any of this helped you out a bit.
>
>
> David
>
> On 12/3/2016 11:40 AM, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:
>> Hi good people:
>> I'm having teething problems with my NVDA screenreader. The problem
>> happens when I am on the internet. Firstly, my web browser, does
not
>> launch quickly. Before NVDA launches with the browser, it takes a
>> very long time. Secondly, it can be very difficult to navigate a
web
>> page. The screenreader responds very slowly. Sometimes, I have to
>> relaunch the NVDA from the desktop, to get it working properly.
>> Thirdly, sometimes, when I am working on a site, I am taking off the
>> site totally, and I have to go through the painful process of
>> relaunching the site again.
>> Please has anyone had these problems at any time, how did you go
about
>> resolving them. It's terrible, and I don't know what to do.
>> Looking forward to reading from you.
>> >From Ibrahim in Nigeria.
>>
>>
>>
>> .
>>
>
>
>
>
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: how to use mozilla thunderbird with nvda?

 

hi,
thanks extremely for your detailed and great information!
i should practice them to learn them!
when i opened one message, my firefox opened it instead of my thunderbird!
how to open them with thunderbird and set it to be easy as firefox?
i tried desabling the preference under general and unfortunately
thunderbird stors all tabs and messages which i opened previously.
besides, whats the best version in simplicity and accessibility easy
to use with nvda?
whats the best versions in this regard?
is there any advance settings that i should change like advance
settings in firefox about:config
God bless you and his infinite mercy i pray for you.

On 12/4/16, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com> wrote:
Hi Again,


I forgot a few important items.


You may be having confusion because of the start page issue. Under
tools/options/general, uncheck the box that says 'show the start page in
the message area.' This way, when you launch Thunderbird, you will go
directly to your list of folder/messages.


If you receive a message with an attachment, with the message open,
press alt + M for the message item and H for the attachments item. You
will then see a bunch of choices including open (the name of the file
attachment) open all, save all and so on.


You can also use tab and shift tab to get to the attachments and use the
right click (context menu) item, but this is a bit cumbersome, so i
prefer the former method.


Also, I find the following to work well--though a bit cumbersome when
trying to place addresses in various of the CC/BCC/To fields.


If you open a new message and back tab 8 times, you are placed in the
list of addresses in your default or main address book. If you want to
do a mass mailing, thenyou can arrow down or use first letter
navigation (which works for the address book, and select address with
the control + space bar method and then press the following keystrokes
to place large numbers of addresses into the various fields.


alt + A for To field

alt + C for CC field

alt + B for BCC field.


If you wish to place various addresses in multiple field, each time you
place them there, you will have to back tab again until you hear
'contacts, tree view.' This will place you back into the list of
addresses to continue choosing separate fields until you have completed
your list of mass addresses. It is a bit cumbersome, but unless someone
else has figured out a better way, it is better than going directly from
the address book and then moving around the list and right clicking and
tghen choosing write and then moving the addresses around from field to
field to that you have some in the to field, some in the cc field and
some in the bcc field.


I hope this meandering list of commands over the course of two messages
helps someone some way.





On 12/4/2016 6:10 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hello:


Thunderbird is pretty straight forward. Once you install the
program, you must set up your account. By default, after the first
installation, this screen comes up--where you enter your e-mail
address, name, server settings and so on. If for some reason, it does
not come up after the first installation, then you can find settings
for the e-mail account under the tools menu (alt +
T) and the accounting settings (press S after alt + T) item.


Once the account settings screen comes up, tab once to the account
settings button and press space bar. A context menu opens and one of
the choice is 'add e-mail account.' If you choose this item, a
standard mail configuration screen comes up and you fill in your
information.


Now here are a few settings that I prefer. Others may have different
opinions. I came from the Outlook Express experience in earlier
versions of Windows, so I set my view settings as follows.


Under the tool bars menu under view, I have menu bar and status bar
checked.

Under the layout sub menu item under view, I have the folder pain
checked and the classic view item checked. I do not have the message
pain checked. This causes problems with many screen reader users. If
this gets checked by accident, it toggles on and off with the press of
the function Key 8 on your keyboard.


Under the folder sub menu item under view, I have the all item
checked--nothing else.


Under the today pane, I have none checked--nothing else. This feature
is nice for sighted people, but it can cause issues for screen readers.


The sort by item is up to you. I have date and ascending order
checked which places the most recent messages at the bottom of the
list in each folder.


The thread sub menu item is also personal preference but I have all
checked and then I use the command letter N when in a folder with no
open messages to unsort to read each message separately so they won't
open all at once and the letter T for setting them back to threaded so
I can do mass deletions.


Under the headers sub menu item, I have normal checked. This avoids
the full headers which take up a massive amount of space with
gibberish most people don't understand.


Under the message body as item, I have simple HTML which suffices for
most purposes.


The display attachments inline should be unchecked--otherwise files
you attach which are binary or music will create a lot of gibberish
that no one can read.


Now here are a few shortcut and hotkeys to get you started. Many of
them are similar to Outlook Express with a few notable exceptions.


To bring up the address book where you can create e-mail address and
properly send e-mail, the keystroke is control+ shift + B. From the
address book, check the various sub menus for how to create new
entries (control + N) and so on.


To start a new message from scratch without using the address book,
the keystroke is Control + N.

To reply to a message you have received the keystroke is Control + R.
If you wish to respond to everyone in the headers the keystroke is
control + shift + R.

Here's one odd one. To forward a message, press control + L. This
differs from most other Microsoft clients which use Control +

F.

Control + F is used either to find messages in a folder with no open
messages, or to find text in an open message.

To attach a file, from an open message you are writing, press control
+ shift + A. This opens a browse for folder/file dialogue where you
can move to the default folder for attachments.

Once you have completed writing a message, you can either configure
the message to be sent immediately under your account settings or you
can use the keystroke control + enter to send the message. If send
immediately is not configured, you will receive a prompt to send the
message after pressing control + enter to whcih you respond yes.


As far as navigation from folder to folder, the easiest way to do this
in my opinion is to use the Function key 6 (F6) keystroke that will
move ou from the list of messages, to the tabs to the folder list. For
example, if you are in the list of messages and you press F6, you
should go to the folder list. One important thing to remember is that
first letter navigation within the folder list is not possible for
some reason. Unlike in Outlook Express, you must use up and down
arrow keys to move from one folder to another in the tree view and
then press tab once to move to the list of messages in each folder.
That's one big drawback.


For any more settings issues, use the tools menu alt + T and choose
options. There are a bunch of settings for everything from signatures
to just how return receipts are handled. Explore these settings and
make preferred choices.


As with any new program, check under the various menus--both from the
main inbox folder and from wsithin a new message or open message to
get further tips and tricks as to how to use the program.





On 12/4/2016 2:52 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hello every one.
i tried mozilla thunderbird for the second time without any success.
i could not do anything with it.
could you please send me a link which contains complete tutorial in
using thunderbird with nvda?
thanks extremely for your help and God bless you all.
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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
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al-islam.org


Re: regression with adobe flash

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----- Original Message -----
From: "David" <trailerdavid@hotmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash


The NoScript add-on for firefox, is extremely simple to use. And it
works all by key commands, so is fully accessible. The difference with
and without it running, in certain cases could be described as nothing
less than extreme.

Get it installed, by downloading it from the official Firefox Add-On
website. Note that if you get copies from outside that site, the add-on
might not be signed, hence will be blocked in Firefox 45 or above.

Once installed, go ahead and do your browsing as normal. When you get to
a page which might seem cluttered, or in any other way trouble you, do
as follow.

Hit the App-key, alternatively Shift-F10, to open the application menu.
Arrow down to the entry that says NoScript. Hit Enter, or Right-Arrow,
to open the submenu.

You now will see a list of all scripts that are tied to this site. For
each script, there will be two entries. One to permanently allow the
script, and one for only temporarily allowing the script running. All
scripts that has not been allowed, will automatically be blocked.

So, scroll your way down the scripts, allowing the ones you will know
you can trust, and which will not cause trouble. If you are in doubt of
one of the entries, simply try with it blocked, and then try temporarily
allowing it. The temporary allowance will stay in effect, long as you
are on that particular site. Leaving the site, and then revisiting it,
only the permanently allowed scripts will stay allowed. Even if you find
that one script - which you previously have allowed - causes you some
trouble, you can easily go into the NoScript submenu and block it from
future run.

The NoScript also has its own Options page, where you can set numerous
behavial options for the add-on's functionality. For instance, I have
set mine to give a sound signal, whenever it is blocking scripts.
Thereby I know that there might be a chance things will change, if I try
unblocking some scripts. Useful when you hit a new site, and think it
should show more info than what is currently the case.

One place I do see a whole big difference with the add-on running, is
when visiting sites on EBay. Some of their scripts are simply just
causing big issues with a screen reader. Blocking them with NoScript is
a matter of a breeze, and results in the EBay system to be far more
blind friendly. Other netshops, or sites that are loaded with ads, might
be far more accessible, when you block some of all the visualizing
scripts, and other fancy-ware they love to put on modern webpages.

Yet another good thing about NoScript, is this:
Many fo the scripts you will experience on the websites you visit, tend
to install cookies on your computer. These might in turn cause trouble.
For instance, a cookie on your computer, might cause certain background
activity to keep in business, even when you leave the website that
initiated the script. Such could be the trouble that causes a screen
reader to malfunction. Have seen this numerous times. Since NoScript
blocks the script from initiating itself, it also blocks the cookie from
being installed on your computer, hence no further activity of that
script can take place. Your system simply might just benefit from the
less polluted environment.

Like I said, many websites these days, tend to load your system with
numerous, less beneficial scripts. For instance, there ar many scripts
that will activate advertisements on the site. Others intend to give the
website a more fancy look, that is, for the sighted person. For the
screen reader, it could mean the whole page to be inaccessible. Some
scripts are collecting statistical information about your browsing
behavior; who knows what they are going to use that for. And still
others will cause the page to be constantly updated, like in the case of
EBay sites. Blocking these scripts, will cause your screen reader to get
a more stabil webpage to read.

For those who have not yet given the NoScript add-on for Firefox a try,
I strongly recommend it. It has been around for a number of years, is
totally free, receives frequent updates, and has been suggested for many
a screen reader user.. In fact, it was another user who adviced I give
it a try. And I have never looked back. It is the number one add-on I
install on new installations of Firefox.

David


On 12/3/2016 5:12 PM, Gene wrote:
The way you discussed enabling or disabling JAVA script in
about:config is one way. There is a plug in named no script but I
haven't used it enough to evaluate it well. I'm not sure how easy it is
to use it to block scripts and unblock them. Others will probably
comment on that.

One convenient option is to use two different copies of Firefox
portable on your machine. Or you could use the installed version and
have a copy of Firefox portable on the same machine. You would have
JAVA scripts disabled in one of the programs and enabled in the other.
You could easily and conveniently use one browser on a site where you
want to use JAVA scripts and the other browser where you don't want to
use them. You wouldn't have to then keep changing settings in the browser.

Gene

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 9:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash

hi geen again.
you rescued me from a very big concern!
i realy pray for you and admire your help and useful informations.
and thanks so much for the great news about reduce use of flash in
firefox!
about your question, when i realy need one audio file, i select to
open it with the potplayer or download it.
and when i dont need it, i benefit from not waisting of my internet
charge!
and how do you activate and deactivate javascript when you need and
dont need it?
i only know that about:config and make true and false javascript.enabled.

On 12/3/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I don't see why you would have a JAVA plugin if you didn't install
the JAVA
program. The plugin is installed by JAVA.

As far as JAVA settings in the about:config settings are concerned,
as far
as I can see, they all apply to JAVA script, not to JAVA, the
program. The
one I wasn't sure of, I did a Google search on and it has nothing
to do with
JAVA, the program.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 7:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash


hi gene.
thanks for your useful information.
i never dont install java program but i am afraid always that is it
possible that java plugin works in the browser without installing java
program?
if its no, whats the reason that i see java plugin in firefox
about:config and i change plugin.state.java to 0?
i use windows xp and the newer versions of java and also firefox 53
and later, dont support xp.
which version of windows, do you use?
thanks and God bless you for your help.

On 12/3/16, Brice Mijares <bricemijares@att.net> wrote:
I read some where last week where FX will prevent adobe flash from
working by summer of 2017.

On 12/3/2016 12:18 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi.
i recommend you not to use java and flash for there security
problems.
i never dont install and use them and i did not see any problem for
this.

On 12/3/16, Sharni-Lee Ward <sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com> wrote:
I think OP wants an answer to their problem. I will try this with
Chrome
later, and I apologise for hijacking the thread.


OP is having an issue I had previously that was fixed by "Kill
Windowless
Flash", which was a useful script but no longer seems to be working
with
current Firefox. NVDA doesn't let you into certain embedded
objects if
you
don't have this script, instead saying "Embedded Object
Unavailable."
Is
there a fix for this that doesn't involve the apparently defunct
"Kill
Windowless Flash" Greasemonkey script?

On 3/12/2016 4:41 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:

hi,

let me clerify a point. Flash isn't crashing. Rather, nvda is
failing
to
access the object. A situation directly the fault of nvda.

On 12/3/2016 7:42 AM, Gene wrote:
Proof of what? I think it's likely that Flash would run properly in
Chrome
on the machine. I won't have proof unless it is tried. We
don't know
if
Flash is crashing because Flash is crashing or if Flash is crashing
because
of some sort of problem when it is run with Firefox. Chrome isn't
perfectly
accessible but it is reasonably so and should serve quite well when
used
on
sites with flash. Chrome has quirks when working with settings
and I'm
not
sure if it reads all structures on web pages as well as Firefox but
when
used on web pages, it is nearly as accessible, if not as
accessible, as
Chrome. And for this very limited use, there may be no need to work
with
settings.

Of course, working on why flash is crashing with the browser
currently
being
used could be investigated on a technical list of blind users or
on a
site
like Bleeping Computer. It would probably be faster and easier
to just
try
Chrome.

Gene

From: enes sarıbaş<mailto:enes.saribas@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 10:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash


hi,

do you have actual proof of this? Since adobe flash, is the same
flash
used
in chrome, I would asume the same problems exist. Also, chrome had
accessibility issues last I remember.

On 12/3/2016 7:06 AM, Gene wrote:
I'm not sure but this is a very good example of why you should
use more
than
one browser. If you use Chrome for sites where you want to use
Flash,
you
will probably have no problem. Flash is built into Chrome so
you don't
have
to install or update it. It updates itself automatically within
Chrome.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Sharni-Lee Ward<mailto:sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 9:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] regression with adobe flash

I haven't been able to use the Adobe Flash plugin for years now. It
always crashes

if I load a page in Firefox that happens to have Flash content. I've
long since given up trying and am just happy that YouTube has an
alternate player.

If anyone could tell me why my flash player isn't working I'd
also be
very grateful.
On 3/12/2016 1:56 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
hi,

The kill windowless flash script seems to no longer be working.
Whenever I encounter a flash object, nvda anounces it as
unavailable.
Is there anything I can do about this?













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we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
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in the very authentic narration is:
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best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org







Re: Some issues with NVDA's reading

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Have there been any changes done to which bit of punctuation is in which punctuation mode? Having said that the accentuation for an exclamation mark is not always that great anyway.

Brian

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in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Kingett" <kingettr@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some issues with NVDA's reading


I am using the elequence engine but when I switch to Sapi 5 it still
does this. It started when I upgraded to 2016.4 RC but I downgraded and
I am still having this problem.


On 12/3/2016 1:44 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
K, yeah, but what TTS engine are you using, or does that not matter.
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----- Original Message -----
*From:* Robert Kingett <mailto:kingettr@gmail.com>
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2016 2:41 PM
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Some issues with NVDA's reading

I am having an issue similar to yours, but NVDA will not see
anything with an exclimation mark in it. If I type one, NVDA says
nothing, in terms of punctuation. It sounds like it was typed
without anything at the end. or does not even change inflection.


Re: NVDA find function

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Yes I've noticed this. I did wonder if it may be some hidden stuff on some pages. Sometimes it works well though.

I don't use Chrome but its better on firefox than Ie.
Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@comcast.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 6:50 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA find function


Running Win 10 and use IE, Firefox and Google Chrome as my browsers. I find the NVDA find function very inconsistent with regards to finding things on web pages. I invoke the find command with NVDA key control f and type in my search term. On some occasions it finds and moves to the search term and other times after pressing enter after entering the term I want to search for it does nothing as if I did not press enter at all. Works the poorest with IE but doesn't do a lot better on Firefox and Chrome.


Re: how to use mozilla thunderbird with nvda?

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Again,


I forgot a few important items.


You may be having confusion because of the start page issue. Under tools/options/general, uncheck the box that says 'show the start page in the message area.' This way, when you launch Thunderbird, you will go directly to your list of folder/messages.


If you receive a message with an attachment, with the message open, press alt + M for the message item and H for the attachments item. You will then see a bunch of choices including open (the name of the file attachment) open all, save all and so on.


You can also use tab and shift tab to get to the attachments and use the right click (context menu) item, but this is a bit cumbersome, so i prefer the former method.


Also, I find the following to work well--though a bit cumbersome when trying to place addresses in various of the CC/BCC/To fields.


If you open a new message and back tab 8 times, you are placed in the list of addresses in your default or main address book. If you want to do a mass mailing, thenyou can arrow down or use first letter navigation (which works for the address book, and select address with the control + space bar method and then press the following keystrokes to place large numbers of addresses into the various fields.


alt + A for To field

alt + C for CC field

alt + B for BCC field.


If you wish to place various addresses in multiple field, each time you place them there, you will have to back tab again until you hear 'contacts, tree view.' This will place you back into the list of addresses to continue choosing separate fields until you have completed your list of mass addresses. It is a bit cumbersome, but unless someone else has figured out a better way, it is better than going directly from the address book and then moving around the list and right clicking and tghen choosing write and then moving the addresses around from field to field to that you have some in the to field, some in the cc field and some in the bcc field.


I hope this meandering list of commands over the course of two messages helps someone some way.

On 12/4/2016 6:10 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hello:


Thunderbird is pretty straight forward. Once you install the program, you must set up your account. By default, after the first installation, this screen comes up--where you enter your e-mail address, name, server settings and so on. If for some reason, it does not come up after the first installation, then you can find settings for the e-mail account under the tools menu (alt +
T) and the accounting settings (press S after alt + T) item.


Once the account settings screen comes up, tab once to the account settings button and press space bar. A context menu opens and one of the choice is 'add e-mail account.' If you choose this item, a standard mail configuration screen comes up and you fill in your information.


Now here are a few settings that I prefer. Others may have different opinions. I came from the Outlook Express experience in earlier versions of Windows, so I set my view settings as follows.


Under the tool bars menu under view, I have menu bar and status bar checked.

Under the layout sub menu item under view, I have the folder pain checked and the classic view item checked. I do not have the message pain checked. This causes problems with many screen reader users. If this gets checked by accident, it toggles on and off with the press of the function Key 8 on your keyboard.


Under the folder sub menu item under view, I have the all item checked--nothing else.


Under the today pane, I have none checked--nothing else. This feature is nice for sighted people, but it can cause issues for screen readers.


The sort by item is up to you. I have date and ascending order checked which places the most recent messages at the bottom of the list in each folder.


The thread sub menu item is also personal preference but I have all checked and then I use the command letter N when in a folder with no open messages to unsort to read each message separately so they won't open all at once and the letter T for setting them back to threaded so I can do mass deletions.


Under the headers sub menu item, I have normal checked. This avoids the full headers which take up a massive amount of space with gibberish most people don't understand.


Under the message body as item, I have simple HTML which suffices for most purposes.


The display attachments inline should be unchecked--otherwise files you attach which are binary or music will create a lot of gibberish that no one can read.


Now here are a few shortcut and hotkeys to get you started. Many of them are similar to Outlook Express with a few notable exceptions.


To bring up the address book where you can create e-mail address and properly send e-mail, the keystroke is control+ shift + B. From the address book, check the various sub menus for how to create new entries (control + N) and so on.


To start a new message from scratch without using the address book, the keystroke is Control + N.

To reply to a message you have received the keystroke is Control + R. If you wish to respond to everyone in the headers the keystroke is control + shift + R.

Here's one odd one. To forward a message, press control + L. This differs from most other Microsoft clients which use Control +

F.

Control + F is used either to find messages in a folder with no open messages, or to find text in an open message.

To attach a file, from an open message you are writing, press control + shift + A. This opens a browse for folder/file dialogue where you can move to the default folder for attachments.

Once you have completed writing a message, you can either configure the message to be sent immediately under your account settings or you can use the keystroke control + enter to send the message. If send immediately is not configured, you will receive a prompt to send the message after pressing control + enter to whcih you respond yes.


As far as navigation from folder to folder, the easiest way to do this in my opinion is to use the Function key 6 (F6) keystroke that will move ou from the list of messages, to the tabs to the folder list. For example, if you are in the list of messages and you press F6, you should go to the folder list. One important thing to remember is that first letter navigation within the folder list is not possible for some reason. Unlike in Outlook Express, you must use up and down arrow keys to move from one folder to another in the tree view and then press tab once to move to the list of messages in each folder. That's one big drawback.


For any more settings issues, use the tools menu alt + T and choose options. There are a bunch of settings for everything from signatures to just how return receipts are handled. Explore these settings and make preferred choices.


As with any new program, check under the various menus--both from the main inbox folder and from wsithin a new message or open message to get further tips and tricks as to how to use the program.





On 12/4/2016 2:52 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hello every one.
i tried mozilla thunderbird for the second time without any success.
i could not do anything with it.
could you please send me a link which contains complete tutorial in
using thunderbird with nvda?
thanks extremely for your help and God bless you all.
--
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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Thank you and another problem

Sakina
 

Thank you so much Gene for your prompt help. Thank you again very much.

Please Gene, I have another problem.

I do not know how to add, delete or organise my contact list or is it called address book.

Sorry for being ignorant.

I just rely on someone to send me an email first.

I hope you can help. And thank you for guiding me to the look back to all the older options.

With many regards

Sakina

 

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2016 7:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] something I discovered when going through the what's new option

 

Hi sakina

 

When NVDA is running press the nvda key + the letter N.\

 

Next arrow down to help after the preferences menu comes up, then right to where the user manual is.

next arrow down to the whats new section then press the enter key and then your browser will come up with all the info since the first version as in what has been done, bug fixes and so on.

 

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 4/12/2016 6:27 AM, Sakina wrote:

Hello Chris,

Would it be possible for you to  share this new discovery option  link as I am fairly new user and would like to look back for learning too.

Thanking you very much

sakina

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Judd
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2016 6:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] something I discovered when going through the what's new option

 

Hi all,

 

I was going through the what’s new option for the latest release of NVDA, and I found that all the previous release notes are there all the way back till 0.5.

It is nice to read all the accomplishments that NVDA has made over the years, and since I’m a fairly new user, I’m glad that it is there, so I can take a look, and see what the early versions were like.

Just thought I would share what I discovered.

Chris

 

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Re: how to use mozilla thunderbird with nvda?

Ron Canazzi
 

Hello:


Thunderbird is pretty straight forward. Once you install the program, you must set up your account. By default, after the first installation, this screen comes up--where you enter your e-mail address, name, server settings and so on. If for some reason, it does not come up after the first installation, then you can find settings for the e-mail account under the tools menu (alt +
T) and the accounting settings (press S after alt + T) item.


Once the account settings screen comes up, tab once to the account settings button and press space bar. A context menu opens and one of the choice is 'add e-mail account.' If you choose this item, a standard mail configuration screen comes up and you fill in your information.


Now here are a few settings that I prefer. Others may have different opinions. I came from the Outlook Express experience in earlier versions of Windows, so I set my view settings as follows.


Under the tool bars menu under view, I have menu bar and status bar checked.

Under the layout sub menu item under view, I have the folder pain checked and the classic view item checked. I do not have the message pain checked. This causes problems with many screen reader users. If this gets checked by accident, it toggles on and off with the press of the function Key 8 on your keyboard.


Under the folder sub menu item under view, I have the all item checked--nothing else.


Under the today pane, I have none checked--nothing else. This feature is nice for sighted people, but it can cause issues for screen readers.


The sort by item is up to you. I have date and ascending order checked which places the most recent messages at the bottom of the list in each folder.


The thread sub menu item is also personal preference but I have all checked and then I use the command letter N when in a folder with no open messages to unsort to read each message separately so they won't open all at once and the letter T for setting them back to threaded so I can do mass deletions.


Under the headers sub menu item, I have normal checked. This avoids the full headers which take up a massive amount of space with gibberish most people don't understand.


Under the message body as item, I have simple HTML which suffices for most purposes.


The display attachments inline should be unchecked--otherwise files you attach which are binary or music will create a lot of gibberish that no one can read.


Now here are a few shortcut and hotkeys to get you started. Many of them are similar to Outlook Express with a few notable exceptions.


To bring up the address book where you can create e-mail address and properly send e-mail, the keystroke is control+ shift + B. From the address book, check the various sub menus for how to create new entries (control + N) and so on.


To start a new message from scratch without using the address book, the keystroke is Control + N.

To reply to a message you have received the keystroke is Control + R. If you wish to respond to everyone in the headers the keystroke is control + shift + R.

Here's one odd one. To forward a message, press control + L. This differs from most other Microsoft clients which use Control +

F.

Control + F is used either to find messages in a folder with no open messages, or to find text in an open message.

To attach a file, from an open message you are writing, press control + shift + A. This opens a browse for folder/file dialogue where you can move to the default folder for attachments.

Once you have completed writing a message, you can either configure the message to be sent immediately under your account settings or you can use the keystroke control + enter to send the message. If send immediately is not configured, you will receive a prompt to send the message after pressing control + enter to whcih you respond yes.


As far as navigation from folder to folder, the easiest way to do this in my opinion is to use the Function key 6 (F6) keystroke that will move ou from the list of messages, to the tabs to the folder list. For example, if you are in the list of messages and you press F6, you should go to the folder list. One important thing to remember is that first letter navigation within the folder list is not possible for some reason. Unlike in Outlook Express, you must use up and down arrow keys to move from one folder to another in the tree view and then press tab once to move to the list of messages in each folder. That's one big drawback.


For any more settings issues, use the tools menu alt + T and choose options. There are a bunch of settings for everything from signatures to just how return receipts are handled. Explore these settings and make preferred choices.


As with any new program, check under the various menus--both from the main inbox folder and from wsithin a new message or open message to get further tips and tricks as to how to use the program.

On 12/4/2016 2:52 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hello every one.
i tried mozilla thunderbird for the second time without any success.
i could not do anything with it.
could you please send me a link which contains complete tutorial in
using thunderbird with nvda?
thanks extremely for your help and God bless you all.
--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


how to use mozilla thunderbird with nvda?

 

hello every one.
i tried mozilla thunderbird for the second time without any success.
i could not do anything with it.
could you please send me a link which contains complete tutorial in
using thunderbird with nvda?
thanks extremely for your help and God bless you all.

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org