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Re: more about the peculiar problem with NVDA not recognising some links

Gene
 

It appears you make a valid point about NVDA showing more graphics.  Whether this should be standard behavior or controllable by the user is something I don't have an opinion about. 
 
But regarding this specific site, I don't know how you are getting to what you are describing.  When I follow the link, I am taken to a page to play the first episode.  There is a play button on the page. 
 
What browser and version of NVDA are you using? 
 
Gene
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From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] more about the peculiar problem with NVDA not recognising some links

I should point out that this is part of the same site that was asked about last week.  I am singularly unimpressed.  All the links to programs appear to be image links that can't be read properly because there is no alt text.  Assumedly, they or most of them are episodes of the series but the links don't give you any useful information.  This has nothing to do with the graphic issue you brought up but I am singularly unimpressed.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] more about the peculiar problem with NVDA not recognising some links

I see that you did give the web site so I apologize for saying you should give more information.  When I read the message initially, I was expecting to see something like Netflicks and when you gave the site I didn't realize you had.
 
Perhaps NVDA should have a setting for all graphics and perhaps some graphics which would be whatever is the case now. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] more about the peculiar problem with NVDA not recognising some links

Nope, it doesn't work, you need to click on the graphic beside each
episode to activate the link. Jaws sees the graphics, but NVDA doesn't.
I wish there was a feature in NVDA that scans more widely for
graphics like there is for jaws for those websites that do things in
a nonstandard way.
At 12:09 PM 12/5/2016, you wrote:
>What key do you press to activate them in JAWS? NVDA? Remember, JAWS'
>Enter key acts like a mouse click. NVDA+Numpad Enter (desktop) and
>NVDA+Enter (laptop) can click the episode.
>
>On 12/4/16, Stephen <whocrazy@...> wrote:
> > Hi there.
> > Looking at the source code of the web page of the betrayal series:
> > betrayalseries.com/replay
> > each episode must be clicked on with the mouse, it's impossible to do
> > it with NVDA.
> > I am able to do it with Jaws though, it recognises that there is a
> > graphic and I am able to click on each one and bring up each episode.
> > But for some reason, firefox, or NVDA doesn't see the graphics, so I
> > can't go back and forth between by navigating with the G key.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>



Re: more about the peculiar problem with NVDA not recognising some links

Gene
 

I should point out that this is part of the same site that was asked about last week.  I am singularly unimpressed.  All the links to programs appear to be image links that can't be read properly because there is no alt text.  Assumedly, they or most of them are episodes of the series but the links don't give you any useful information.  This has nothing to do with the graphic issue you brought up but I am singularly unimpressed.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] more about the peculiar problem with NVDA not recognising some links

I see that you did give the web site so I apologize for saying you should give more information.  When I read the message initially, I was expecting to see something like Netflicks and when you gave the site I didn't realize you had.
 
Perhaps NVDA should have a setting for all graphics and perhaps some graphics which would be whatever is the case now. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] more about the peculiar problem with NVDA not recognising some links

Nope, it doesn't work, you need to click on the graphic beside each
episode to activate the link. Jaws sees the graphics, but NVDA doesn't.
I wish there was a feature in NVDA that scans more widely for
graphics like there is for jaws for those websites that do things in
a nonstandard way.
At 12:09 PM 12/5/2016, you wrote:
>What key do you press to activate them in JAWS? NVDA? Remember, JAWS'
>Enter key acts like a mouse click. NVDA+Numpad Enter (desktop) and
>NVDA+Enter (laptop) can click the episode.
>
>On 12/4/16, Stephen <whocrazy@...> wrote:
> > Hi there.
> > Looking at the source code of the web page of the betrayal series:
> > betrayalseries.com/replay
> > each episode must be clicked on with the mouse, it's impossible to do
> > it with NVDA.
> > I am able to do it with Jaws though, it recognises that there is a
> > graphic and I am able to click on each one and bring up each episode.
> > But for some reason, firefox, or NVDA doesn't see the graphics, so I
> > can't go back and forth between by navigating with the G key.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>



Re: more about the peculiar problem with NVDA not recognising some links

Gene
 

I see that you did give the web site so I apologize for saying you should give more information.  When I read the message initially, I was expecting to see something like Netflicks and when you gave the site I didn't realize you had.
 
Perhaps NVDA should have a setting for all graphics and perhaps some graphics which would be whatever is the case now. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] more about the peculiar problem with NVDA not recognising some links

Nope, it doesn't work, you need to click on the graphic beside each
episode to activate the link. Jaws sees the graphics, but NVDA doesn't.
I wish there was a feature in NVDA that scans more widely for
graphics like there is for jaws for those websites that do things in
a nonstandard way.
At 12:09 PM 12/5/2016, you wrote:
>What key do you press to activate them in JAWS? NVDA? Remember, JAWS'
>Enter key acts like a mouse click. NVDA+Numpad Enter (desktop) and
>NVDA+Enter (laptop) can click the episode.
>
>On 12/4/16, Stephen <whocrazy@...> wrote:
> > Hi there.
> > Looking at the source code of the web page of the betrayal series:
> > betrayalseries.com/replay
> > each episode must be clicked on with the mouse, it's impossible to do
> > it with NVDA.
> > I am able to do it with Jaws though, it recognises that there is a
> > graphic and I am able to click on each one and bring up each episode.
> > But for some reason, firefox, or NVDA doesn't see the graphics, so I
> > can't go back and forth between by navigating with the G key.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>



Re: more about the peculiar problem with NVDA not recognising some links

Stephen
 

Nope, it doesn't work, you need to click on the graphic beside each episode to activate the link. Jaws sees the graphics, but NVDA doesn't.
I wish there was a feature in NVDA that scans more widely for graphics like there is for jaws for those websites that do things in a nonstandard way.

At 12:09 PM 12/5/2016, you wrote:
What key do you press to activate them in JAWS? NVDA? Remember, JAWS'
Enter key acts like a mouse click. NVDA+Numpad Enter (desktop) and
NVDA+Enter (laptop) can click the episode.

On 12/4/16, Stephen <whocrazy@...> wrote:
Hi there.
Looking at the source code of the web page of the betrayal series:
betrayalseries.com/replay
each episode must be clicked on with the mouse, it's impossible to do
it with NVDA.
I am able to do it with Jaws though, it recognises that there is a
graphic and I am able to click on each one and bring up each episode.
But for some reason, firefox, or NVDA doesn't see the graphics, so I
can't go back and forth between by navigating with the G key.




Re: more about the peculiar problem with NVDA not recognising some links

Gene
 

The user reported that NVdA doesn't see the graphic.  He is saying he can't click on it because he can't see it.  This problem has nothing to do with whether it can be clicked on.  It can't be seen by NVDA in the first place.
 
Aside from that, you are assuming that every clickable element can be clicked on with enter or the simulated mouse.  That is an assumption and we have no evidence that it is correct. I know that, at least in the case of some links, it isn't.  In short, don't assume and test things if possible.  I'm not sure what site is being discussed.  It isn't identified.  It may be that you have to be a member of the site to test this.  The original poster should give more information.   
 
gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] more about the peculiar problem with NVDA not recognising some links

That is not the case. If it is a clickable element, it can be clicked
using the mouse using NVDA.

On 12/4/16, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> But is the graphic necessary to click or can you click the episode title
> using the NVDA mouse function?  If NVDA doesn't see the graphics at all,
> using the mouse may not be possible.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Andre Fisher
> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 7:09 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] more about the peculiar problem with NVDA not
> recognising some links
>
>
> What key do you press to activate them in JAWS? NVDA? Remember, JAWS'
> Enter key acts like a mouse click. NVDA+Numpad Enter (desktop) and
> NVDA+Enter (laptop) can click the episode.
>
> On 12/4/16, Stephen <whocrazy@...> wrote:
>> Hi there.
>> Looking at the source code of the web page of the betrayal series:
>> betrayalseries.com/replay
>> each episode must be clicked on with the mouse, it's impossible to do
>> it with NVDA.
>> I am able to do it with Jaws though, it recognises that there is a
>> graphic and I am able to click on each one and bring up each episode.
>> But for some reason, firefox, or NVDA doesn't see the graphics, so I
>> can't go back and forth between by navigating with the G key.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>


Re: more about the peculiar problem with NVDA not recognising some links

Gene
 

Enter very often performs the same function as a left mouse click.  But it is not identical somehow, and some links require use of a mouse.  They are designed not to function when enter is pressed.  I have no idea why this would be done but it is.  In such a case, I don't know if the simulated mouse clicks of screen-readers work. 
 
But this current instance appears to be one where the JAWS simulated mouse will work on a graphic.  NVDA doesn't see the graphic so the NVDA simulated mouse can't move to and work with the graphic. 
 
Enter, by implication, doesn't work here since the JAWS simulated mouse is discussed.
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] more about the peculiar problem with NVDA not recognising some links

What key do you press to activate them in JAWS? NVDA? Remember, JAWS'
Enter key acts like a mouse click. NVDA+Numpad Enter (desktop) and
NVDA+Enter (laptop) can click the episode.

On 12/4/16, Stephen <whocrazy@...> wrote:
> Hi there.
> Looking at the source code of the web page of the betrayal series:
> betrayalseries.com/replay
> each episode must be clicked on with the mouse, it's impossible to do
> it with NVDA.
> I am able to do it with Jaws though, it recognises that there is a
> graphic and I am able to click on each one and bring up each episode.
> But for some reason, firefox, or NVDA doesn't see the graphics, so I
> can't go back and forth between by navigating with the G key.
>
>
>
>
>


Re: more about the peculiar problem with NVDA not recognising some links

Andre Fisher
 

That is not the case. If it is a clickable element, it can be clicked
using the mouse using NVDA.

On 12/4/16, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
But is the graphic necessary to click or can you click the episode title
using the NVDA mouse function? If NVDA doesn't see the graphics at all,
using the mouse may not be possible.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Andre Fisher
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 7:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] more about the peculiar problem with NVDA not
recognising some links


What key do you press to activate them in JAWS? NVDA? Remember, JAWS'
Enter key acts like a mouse click. NVDA+Numpad Enter (desktop) and
NVDA+Enter (laptop) can click the episode.

On 12/4/16, Stephen <whocrazy@...> wrote:
Hi there.
Looking at the source code of the web page of the betrayal series:
betrayalseries.com/replay
each episode must be clicked on with the mouse, it's impossible to do
it with NVDA.
I am able to do it with Jaws though, it recognises that there is a
graphic and I am able to click on each one and bring up each episode.
But for some reason, firefox, or NVDA doesn't see the graphics, so I
can't go back and forth between by navigating with the G key.





Re: more about the peculiar problem with NVDA not recognising some links

Gene
 

But is the graphic necessary to click or can you click the episode title using the NVDA mouse function?  If NVDA doesn't see the graphics at all, using the mouse may not be possible. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] more about the peculiar problem with NVDA not recognising some links

What key do you press to activate them in JAWS? NVDA? Remember, JAWS'
Enter key acts like a mouse click. NVDA+Numpad Enter (desktop) and
NVDA+Enter (laptop) can click the episode.

On 12/4/16, Stephen <whocrazy@...> wrote:
> Hi there.
> Looking at the source code of the web page of the betrayal series:
> betrayalseries.com/replay
> each episode must be clicked on with the mouse, it's impossible to do
> it with NVDA.
> I am able to do it with Jaws though, it recognises that there is a
> graphic and I am able to click on each one and bring up each episode.
> But for some reason, firefox, or NVDA doesn't see the graphics, so I
> can't go back and forth between by navigating with the G key.
>
>
>
>
>


Re: more about the peculiar problem with NVDA not recognising some links

Andre Fisher
 

What key do you press to activate them in JAWS? NVDA? Remember, JAWS'
Enter key acts like a mouse click. NVDA+Numpad Enter (desktop) and
NVDA+Enter (laptop) can click the episode.

On 12/4/16, Stephen <whocrazy@...> wrote:
Hi there.
Looking at the source code of the web page of the betrayal series:
betrayalseries.com/replay
each episode must be clicked on with the mouse, it's impossible to do
it with NVDA.
I am able to do it with Jaws though, it recognises that there is a
graphic and I am able to click on each one and bring up each episode.
But for some reason, firefox, or NVDA doesn't see the graphics, so I
can't go back and forth between by navigating with the G key.




more about the peculiar problem with NVDA not recognising some links

Stephen
 

Hi there.
Looking at the source code of the web page of the betrayal series:
betrayalseries.com/replay
each episode must be clicked on with the mouse, it's impossible to do it with NVDA.
I am able to do it with Jaws though, it recognises that there is a graphic and I am able to click on each one and bring up each episode.
But for some reason, firefox, or NVDA doesn't see the graphics, so I can't go back and forth between by navigating with the G key.

Re: Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

Gene
 

I mainly use an old version because I don't use new NVDA features, as I said before.  But also, I prefer the old way of using what was called Flat Review.  I prefer always being in screen review when I activate review mode in the old version and the automatic return to object navigation when I switch to another window.  I could get used to the new system but since I don't need to, I don't bother. 
 
Also, I don't think there is any way to import the speech dictionaries other then to actually copy and paste the files.  I could do that easily enough but I don't since I have no need.  But I am reminded of something regarding the dictionaries.  I think there should be an export and an import dictionaries item in the dictionary interface itself. 
 
Gene

Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

Hi Brian,

Essentially only the latest stable (and currently as you noted, RC) versions of NVDA are supported, in that if we fix a bug, that fix will only go into a new build.

Ideally, if someone is having a problem and finds that reverting to an earlier build resolves the issue, we'd very much prefer they communicate that to us via a GitHub issue, or at least here on the list or to me personally so that we can endeavour to resolve it.  The current version should still work at least as far back as Windows XP (If anyone is using Windows 98 or earlier, I'd be curious to hear your experiences with NVDA just for my own interest if nothing else).

Perhaps this thread might be a good place for anyone who is using a version of NVDA prior to 2016.3, to share why that is? I can ensure that any issues are recorded on GitHub, but I'd also be able to compile a list that I can take back to Mick and Jamie and say "these are issues that are currently keeping users on old versions of NVDA".

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 9:23 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

The subject pretty much asks it all.

In topic after topic I see people saying that they're using old, often really old, versions of NVDA.  That is entirely their choice, and I'm not questioning that.

What I'd like to know is how many versions, if any, other than the latest stable release and the RC releases, are "officially" supported by NVAccess.

Knowing how much change occurs as releases roll out over time I know it's impossible to keep supporting prior releases in perpetuity or anything close to it.  I also know that it generally makes no sense to try to replicate a bug in a release different than the one it's been detected in except as an effort to determine if it is a "carry forward" that was previously undetected versus newly introduced.

It's almost impossible to know "what's what" unless individuals using NVDA are all using the latest stable version so far as issue reporting goes.  That's why, particularly for open-source software, I make it a habit to religiously upgrade to the latest release whether I need the latest "bells and whistles" or not.  Unless there is some really buggy release (and I'm talking generally, not NVDA in particular) it just makes everyone's lives much easier.
--
Brian

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.

    ~ Lauren Bacall

    





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Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

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Re: Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Brian,

Essentially only the latest stable (and currently as you noted, RC) versions of NVDA are supported, in that if we fix a bug, that fix will only go into a new build.

Ideally, if someone is having a problem and finds that reverting to an earlier build resolves the issue, we'd very much prefer they communicate that to us via a GitHub issue, or at least here on the list or to me personally so that we can endeavour to resolve it.  The current version should still work at least as far back as Windows XP (If anyone is using Windows 98 or earlier, I'd be curious to hear your experiences with NVDA just for my own interest if nothing else).

Perhaps this thread might be a good place for anyone who is using a version of NVDA prior to 2016.3, to share why that is? I can ensure that any issues are recorded on GitHub, but I'd also be able to compile a list that I can take back to Mick and Jamie and say "these are issues that are currently keeping users on old versions of NVDA".

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 9:23 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

The subject pretty much asks it all.

In topic after topic I see people saying that they're using old, often really old, versions of NVDA.  That is entirely their choice, and I'm not questioning that.

What I'd like to know is how many versions, if any, other than the latest stable release and the RC releases, are "officially" supported by NVAccess.

Knowing how much change occurs as releases roll out over time I know it's impossible to keep supporting prior releases in perpetuity or anything close to it.  I also know that it generally makes no sense to try to replicate a bug in a release different than the one it's been detected in except as an effort to determine if it is a "carry forward" that was previously undetected versus newly introduced.

It's almost impossible to know "what's what" unless individuals using NVDA are all using the latest stable version so far as issue reporting goes.  That's why, particularly for open-source software, I make it a habit to religiously upgrade to the latest release whether I need the latest "bells and whistles" or not.  Unless there is some really buggy release (and I'm talking generally, not NVDA in particular) it just makes everyone's lives much easier.
--
Brian

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.

    ~ Lauren Bacall

    





--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 

Re: Braille Display and NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi David,

I haven't tried a PowerBraille.  I know the Focus and Pac Mate series work with the Freedom Scientific driver, so it might be worth, if you have the PowerBraille driver available, trying that?  I had a look on the Freedom Scientific site but can't find the drivers readily available to download.  I did find an issue on our GitHub which was filed using a PowerBraille 40 (although mentioning it was made by TeleSensory - perhaps a difference device or an earlier company?)  That issue looks like they were using Brltty, so could be worth trying that too?

Sorry I can't offer anything more concrete!

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 7:01 AM, David <trailerdavid@...> wrote:
OK, I know this is kind of old-fashioned. Thing is, I do have a
PowerBraille 80 display here, which I have successfully been using with
another screen reader.

I think I did look in the list of Braille displays in NVDA awhile ago,
and did NOT find the PowerBraille 80 listed there. Is my memory correct?
If so, can I use any other driver, or does there exist a driver for this
display under NVDA? The display works just fine, so would be great to
use it even with the free screen reader.

Thanks for any feedback.







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Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
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Re: Firefox Browse & Focus Mode

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Sakina,

"Basic Training for NVDA" is one of the official training modules from NV Acces.  Each of the 14 sections is broken up into a number of topics, and each topic has information about the specific feature, and then an activity which walks you through using that feature.  At the end of each section is a review activity which gets you to use the skills learnt in that section with less prompting.  This is a good chance to ensure that you are comfortable with what was covered and go back if needed.

The section on using the web for instance, contains the following topics:

10 Browsing the Web
10.1 Opening Internet Explorer
10.2 Web Pages
10.3 Browse Mode Document Reading Keys
10.4 Heading Navigation
10.5 Web Page Links
10.6 Single Letter Navigation
10.7 The Browse Mode Elements List
10.8 More on the Elements List
10.9 Searching for Text
10.10 Tables
10.11 Browse Mode Containers
10.12 Filling in Forms
10.13 Reading Search Results
10.14 Form Navigation Keys
10.15 Check Boxes and Radio Buttons
10.16 Manually Activating Focus Mode
10.17 Browsing the Web Review

It is available in Braille or electronic text, with audio due out shortly: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 11:09 PM, Sakina <sakina.gable@...> wrote:

Hello Quentin,

In the below help email you mention

there are several topics on this in the Basic Training module for anyone wanting a bit more practice or info).

Please can you give me more info or guidance as I am just a beginner and would appreciate any help.

Thank you to  all who help one another.

With many regards to all

Sakina

 

 

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 11:47 PM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Browse & Focus Mode

 

Just to add a bit more info on changing between focus and browse modes:

 

- If you press TAB to move onto a form field (like an edit box), NVDA will automatically switch from Browse to Focus mode.

- If you use the arrows or single letter navigation (eg E for edit box) to get there, NVDA does NOT automatically switch to focus mode (you may not want that edit box but need to get past it to the next one).

 

If you find yourself on a form field in Browse mode, you can press ENTER to go into Focus mode.  Similarly, when in a form field, if you want to go back to Browse mode, press ESCAPE.

 

If you press NVDA+spacebar, then it forces NVDA to change modes (from Browse to Focus or Focus to Browse), and from that point, will stay in whatever mode it has just changed to, until you press NVDA+spacebar to change again or a new web page loads.  This feature is particularly useful when completing a long web form which has many form fields interspersed with text and you don't want it to keep jumping between focus and browse modes.

 

(And yes, there are several topics on this in the Basic Training module for anyone wanting a bit more practice or info).

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 5:29 AM, Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:

Hi Brian

In the ‘Browse  Mode’ dialog, if you uncheck the box ‘Audio indication of focus and browse modes’, NVDA says ‘Browse’ or ‘Focus Mode’ instead of using the sounds you described.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 29 November 2016 17:32
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Browse & Focus Mode

 

I have never had NVDA announce browse versus focus mode verbally, though I imagine it could be a setting.

If I land in a field where the mode automatically changes from browse to focus NVDA plays a sound that is a high-pitched, quick electronic beep paired with a sound somewhat like keyboard key being struck.  If I switch back to browse mode by hitting NVDA+Spacebar the sound is a single alert that sounds a bit like a bell being struck.

I just tested in a couple of Firefox pages and things are behaving as expected with NVDA's default settings.  I don't get those transition sounds from NVDA when I land in an edit box, though, it announces what I've landed in and says "editable" (I think).
--
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    ~ Lauren Bacall

    

 



 

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Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
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Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
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Re: Submitting a Bug Report to NVDA Developers at NVAccess #NVDARelease #NVAccess

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Brians and everyone,

The page with existing issues is at: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues - If you navigate to the search edit, you can type a couple of words and see if there is a similar issue already.  There is a list which has a checkbox for each issue, then the issue itself and who created it as well as how many comments it has.  Activating the issue name takes you to a page with the full details of the issue.

There is a new issue button you can access to create a new issue: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/new which assuming you are logged in, only has two main parts - a title for the issue (try and convey the issue in a handful of words), and the comment body where you can fully explain the issue you are having.  Please try to give program versions (eg NVDA version, Windows version and version of a specific program you are having problems with, if relevant) and ideally, steps someone can take to reproduce the issue.  If you have a log file or other details, include those and any other information - eg what you have tested (the problem happens in Word but not Excel or WordPad).

At worst, if you have trouble with GitHub, do post here and someone will likely either offer advice or help record the issue.  We do prefer if people can record their own issues as then you will be notified of progress automatically, or be able to be contacted if one of the developers needs more information.  I often record issues people come across, but unless I can reproduce them myself (I have several systems I can text on, but not every combination of windows versions etc), I might not be able to answer questions about reproducing or testing the reported problem.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 8:03 PM, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:
I'm sure Jamie at some time wrote an idiots guide to this, but I'm blowed if I can find it now. I have an account and to me the interface is not as intuitive as the trak one used to be, but of course its one of those forms designed for many things for many people and contains bits that are not applicable to what we need to do.
Its very sad that nobody could create a front end that was simple and could auto input into the main database without all the clutter.

Brian

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Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 2:59 PM
Subject: [nvda] Submitting a Bug Report to NVDA Developers at NVAccess #NVDARelease #NVAccess


Since the latest release candidate is out, this bears repeating.

NVAccess handles its bug reports using GitHub. If you don't have a GitHub ( http://github.com/ ) account (which is free) you'll have to establish one before filing a bug [issue, in GitHub parlance] report. The actual page you will use to file a new issue is: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues ( https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues ) ( https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues )

I am not the best person to answer questions about the specifics of the bug reporting process, but I'm sure if they get asked here they'll be answered.
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Re: creating addon's

Antony Stone
 

NVDA is written in Python.

You can get details of how to create add-ons at
http://addons.nvda-project.org/devDocs/devDocs.en.html


Antony.

On Sunday 04 December 2016 at 23:27:04, Don H wrote:

In the past I have done quite a bit of C Plus Plus programing. Are
there any tutorials relative to the creation of NVDA addon's? Would
like to creat a Key label addon.
Thanks
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In the past I have done quite a bit of C Plus Plus programing. Are there any tutorials relative to the creation of NVDA addon's? Would like to creat a Key label addon.
Thanks

Re: nvda not panning when using a braille display in the windows 10 mail app:

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Kenny,

Which version of NVDA are you using?  Have you tried NVDA 2016.4rc1.  I'll have to double check re any changes to Braille panning but certainly support for windows mail is improved.  Does panning work in other programs?

Regards


Quentin.

On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 8:25 AM, Kenny Peyattt jr. <p.wildcat1234@...> wrote:

H I I noticed that when using the windows 10 mail app in windows 10, I am not able to pann using a braille display. The display I am using is a focus display.

 

Kenny Peyatt jr.

 




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Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

 

The subject pretty much asks it all.

In topic after topic I see people saying that they're using old, often really old, versions of NVDA.  That is entirely their choice, and I'm not questioning that.

What I'd like to know is how many versions, if any, other than the latest stable release and the RC releases, are "officially" supported by NVAccess.

Knowing how much change occurs as releases roll out over time I know it's impossible to keep supporting prior releases in perpetuity or anything close to it.  I also know that it generally makes no sense to try to replicate a bug in a release different than the one it's been detected in except as an effort to determine if it is a "carry forward" that was previously undetected versus newly introduced.

It's almost impossible to know "what's what" unless individuals using NVDA are all using the latest stable version so far as issue reporting goes.  That's why, particularly for open-source software, I make it a habit to religiously upgrade to the latest release whether I need the latest "bells and whistles" or not.  Unless there is some really buggy release (and I'm talking generally, not NVDA in particular) it just makes everyone's lives much easier.
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Re: NVDA 2016.4rc1 released

Quentin Christensen
 

Can any other Windows 8.1 users please confirm (or refute?) Bhavya's findings with Skype desktop using NVDA 2016.4rc1 please?

That is: "In this release candidate, in Skype for Desktop,
on a Windows 8.1 machine, NVDA is at random yet frequent moments
constantly repeating a certain Skype name. It is also mishandling
incoming Skype chats, by announcing the sender's name twice, and then
providing the expected speech feedback."

From other comments, it seems it doesn't happen in Windows 10.  Is anyone trying this combination under Windows 7 (or for completeness, XP, since there are a couple of XP users in the thread)?

Regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 7:03 AM, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> wrote:
Hi,
This buggy behaviour is specific to NVDA version 2016.4 RC 1, and I
did not notice this while using version 2016.3. For the record, the
Skype version in use at my end is Skype™‎   Version 7.29.0.102.
Thanks.

On 12/4/16, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:
> Using Windows 10, Skype 7.29, NVDA 2016.4RC1, I do not have that behaviour.
>
> Rui
>
>
> -----Mensagem Original-----
> De: Bhavya shah
> Data: 3 de dezembro de 2016 18:27
> Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Assunto: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.4rc1 released
>
> Hi,
> I would like other testers to try replicating this issue, in order to
> confirm its presence. In this release candidate, in Skype for Desktop,
> on a Windows 8.1 machine, NVDA is at random yet frequent moments
> constantly repeating a certain Skype name. It is also mishandling
> incoming Skype chats, by announcing the sender's name twice, and then
> providing the expected speech feedback. I would like to believe that
> opening of Skype for Desktop with an account receiving Skype chats
> periodically should suffice in attempts to reproduce this odd
> behaviour.
> Otherwise, all features and functionalities in NVDA version 2016.4 RC
> 1 seem well-implemented and bug-free to me.
> Thanks.
>
> On 12/3/16, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
>> Hi, Quentin,
>>
>>
>>
>> I was able to log in to my gmail account. I didn't change my password so
>> I
>> don't know what's going on with the mail ap. It worked before so I don't
>> know what else to do. I'm glad I have outlook or thunderbird for emailing
>> for right now.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rosemarie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Quentin
>> Christensen
>> Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 10:45 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.4rc1 released
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Rosemarie,
>>
>>
>>
>> You might need to log in with your account again?  Perhaps you have
>> changed
>> your password etc elsewhere?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 10:22 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria
>> <knitqueen2007@... <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>
>> Hi, David,
>>
>>
>>
>> I just tried the mail ap but I got this message saying my account was out
>>
>> of
>> date. I was thinking of using it but I don't think so now.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rosemarie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> ] On Behalf Of
>> David Moore
>> Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 3:02 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.4rc1 released
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Thank you so much Quenton for posting this great news. I just found out
>> that
>> NVDA 2016.4rc1 makes the weather app and the store more accessible. Also,
>> the mail app works much better with NvDA. This is so exciting. I will let
>> you know how NVDA now works in many apps.
>>
>> David Moore
>>
>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>  for
>> Windows
>> 10
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Quentin Christensen <mailto:quentin@...>
>> Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 2:52 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2016.4rc1 released
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> NVDA 2016.4rc1 has just been released for testing. This is a release
>> candidate, which means that unless any critical issues are found, this
>> will be identical to the final 2016.4 release.
>>
>> See this blog post for what's new and a download link:
>>  <http://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2016-4rc1-released/>
>> http://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2016-4rc1-released/
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Quentin.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Quentin Christensen
>> Training Material Developer
>>
>> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
>> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>> http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
>> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>
>>
>>
>> Ph  <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306> +61 7 3149 3306
>>
>> Direct: +61 413 904 383
>>  <http://www.nvaccess.org/> www.nvaccess.org
>> Facebook:  <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>
>> http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Best Regards
> Bhavya Shah
>
> Avid Enthusiast and User of the Free NVDA Screen Reader (www.nvaccess.org)
>
> Contacting Me
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