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Re: Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

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Judging by the fact that very few blind people seem to be using this player, one suspects there are access issues with it. Normally any good accessible player is very popular and mentioned everywhere. Winamp I use because it, well works. I find vlc just a little bit clunky but works OK and has perhaps more inbuilt codecs than most.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease


gene,
did you try potplayer to see that do you observe my problem too?
i realy wish thats fixed.
also, i am waiting for the comment of quentin in this regard.
did you test it quentin to see the result?

On 12/5/16, Governor staten <@Govsta> wrote:
VLC is accessible. It can do everything, and then some.



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On 12/5/2016 9:57 AM, Gene wrote:
I saw your description of your problem here just a bit ago. As I
said, we don't know if this is an issue that is generally a problem or
just on your machine for some reason. We may or may not get enough
reports from other users to determine that.
As far as your dissatisfaction with other players is concerned,
discussing what you particularly like about PotPlayer may be useful.
It may allow you to get information from others about other players
that do what you want, assuming such players are accessible. Given
the wide variety of players, I wouldn't be surprised if there are.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* nasrin khaksar <mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@...>
*Sent:* Monday, December 05, 2016 8:49 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable
release, and the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

gene,
i tried many players and was not satisfied with any of them except
potplayer!
i tried more than 30 players and potplayer is the best!
many websites confirm this.
did you try to see nvda is unresponsive when you close files with
potplayer?
i wish that my problem becomes solved at least in nvda 2016.4
did you read my issue 6513 on github?

On 12/5/16, Gene <gsasner@... <mailto:gsasner@...>> wrote:
Well, maybe it's a good player, then. But whatever problems it may
have, if
it doesn't work well on your system, trying another player would be
a good
idea. We don't know if the problems you are having with the player
have
anything to do with NVDA. To find out, you could test it with another
screen-reader such as a JAWS demo or perhaps with Narrator. But at this
point, we don't know if NVDA is causing the problem. There are
enough other
players available that are very well liked by blind people that if this
player doesn't work well for whatever reason on your machine, there are
plenty of alternatives.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 5:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable
release, and
the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease


hi.
potplayer is a very long time thats completely accessible!
whats the different between my link and yours?
i did not test the second link but the first link which i always use,
is the website of the programmers and owners of the softwares.
potplayer preference was not accessible in its old versions via
keyboard.
but now, its accessibility is realy great and even now, they put one
option for accessibility!

On 12/5/16, Jacob Kruger <jacob@...
<mailto:jacob@...>> wrote:
Quentin, HYG:

https://potplayer.daum.net/


But, gave it a quick test run, and, my guess is that it doesn't offer
much in t4erms of accessibility, etc. - no menu suystems that could
activate using alt + key combo's, etc., so not sure it would be
something I would want to work with as such.


stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-12-05 10:20, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Nasrin,

Is Potplayer freely available? If so, do you have a URL please and I
will download and test it myself as well.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 5:48 PM, nasrin khaksar
<nasrinkhaksar3@... <mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@...>
<mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@...>> wrote:

hi quentin.
i decided to stay on 2015.3 for always because in the latest
versions
nvda has problems with potplayer and when i press alt+f4 nvda
when i
press start menu says unknown and its a big issue for me.
because i only use potplayer and when i open files, most of
times, i
should use alt+control+n to revert nvda to its normal working.
15.3 until 16.2 were more stable for me.
but since 16.2 and 3, sometimes nvda says nothing or becomes
completely silent.
in this case, i afraid of maybe my system is hacked or my windows
has
problems or not working properly.

github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues.6513its
<http://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues.6513its> for potplayer
and
some others
players and for the problem in espeak new version with farsi
punctuations
github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6514
<http://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6514>

but i realy love the new features of nvda including selection of
documents and impprovements in using firefox and now, i use 16.3
could you please solve the problem which i mentioned in 16.4
to use
it
without any issues?
thanks extremely quentin.
do you have skype account for further details and contact about
different subjects?


On 12/5/16, Gene <gsasner@... <mailto:gsasner@...>
<mailto:gsasner@...>>
wrote:
> I mainly use an old version because I don't use new NVDA
features, as I said
> before. But also, I prefer the old way of using what was
called
Flat
> Review. I prefer always being in screen review when I activate
review mode
> in the old version and the automatic return to object
navigation
when I
> switch to another window. I could get used to the new system
but since I
> don't need to, I don't bother.
>
> Also, I don't think there is any way to import the speech
dictionaries other
> then to actually copy and paste the files. I could do that
easily enough
> but I don't since I have no need. But I am reminded of
something regarding
> the dictionaries. I think there should be an export and an
import
> dictionaries item in the dictionary interface itself.
>
> Gene
> From: Quentin Christensen
> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 5:55 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable
release, and
> the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease
>
>
> Hi Brian,
>
>
> Essentially only the latest stable (and currently as you noted,
RC) versions
> of NVDA are supported, in that if we fix a bug, that fix will
only go into a
> new build.
>
>
> Ideally, if someone is having a problem and finds that
reverting
to an
> earlier build resolves the issue, we'd very much prefer they
communicate
> that to us via a GitHub issue, or at least here on the list
or to
me
> personally so that we can endeavour to resolve it. The current
version
> should still work at least as far back as Windows XP (If anyone
is using
> Windows 98 or earlier, I'd be curious to hear your experiences
with NVDA
> just for my own interest if nothing else).
>
>
> Perhaps this thread might be a good place for anyone who is
using a version
> of NVDA prior to 2016.3, to share why that is? I can ensure
that
any issues
> are recorded on GitHub, but I'd also be able to compile a list
that I can
> take back to Mick and Jamie and say "these are issues that are
currently
> keeping users on old versions of NVDA".
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
> Quentin.
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 9:23 AM, Brian Vogel
<@britechguy <mailto:@britechguy>
<mailto:@britechguy>> wrote:
>
> The subject pretty much asks it all.
>
> In topic after topic I see people saying that they're using
old, often
> really old, versions of NVDA. That is entirely their choice,
and I'm not
> questioning that.
>
> What I'd like to know is how many versions, if any, other
than
the latest
> stable release and the RC releases, are "officially" supported
by NVAccess.
>
> Knowing how much change occurs as releases roll out over time
I know it's
> impossible to keep supporting prior releases in perpetuity or
anything close
> to it. I also know that it generally makes no sense to try to
replicate a
> bug in a release different than the one it's been detected in
except as an
> effort to determine if it is a "carry forward" that was
previously
> undetected versus newly introduced.
>
> It's almost impossible to know "what's what" unless
individuals using NVDA
> are all using the latest stable version so far as issue
reporting goes.
> That's why, particularly for open-source software, I make it a
habit to
> religiously upgrade to the latest release whether I need the
latest "bells
> and whistles" or not. Unless there is some really buggy
release
(and I'm
> talking generally, not NVDA in particular) it just makes
everyone's lives
> much easier.
> --
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>
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>
> ~ Lauren Bacall
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>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
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> --
>
> Quentin Christensen
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> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
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>
>
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available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

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Direct: +61 413 904 383
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best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: Braille Display and NVDA

Antony Stone
 

Is this "protocol converter" a piece of software or hardware?

Can anyone provide a link to find more about these things?

Thanks,

Antony.

On Monday 05 December 2016 at 16:36:20, J.G wrote:

Hi,

Since I used An Alva Satellite product, I found, that the best solution is
NVDA and properly configured brltty version 4.x not 5. When I tried to use
a protocol converter, NVDA said "could not load a BC6 display."

I recommend you to buy a power cable and if you have not serial port on
your computer, buy a usb to serial converter and use brltty.

regards, Jožef

p.s. if anyone find a solution on how to use a protocol converter with NVDA
it will be very appretiated.
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Re: Braille Display and NVDA

J.G
 

Hi,

Since I used An Alva Satellite product, I found, that the best solution is NVDA and properly configured brltty version 4.x not 5. When I tried to use a protocol converter, NVDA said "could not load a BC6 display."

I recommend you to buy a power cable and if you have not serial port on your computer, buy a usb to serial converter and use brltty.

regards, Jožef

p.s. if anyone find a solution on how to use a protocol converter with NVDA it will be very appretiated.


Re: My NVDA Not Working Properly

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No that is right. The problem is that many have had the licence over time, so strictly some that were free are now no longer supposed to be available. I suppose the main one people will still find on line is Via Voice from the old IBM Home page reader. However this is as far as I'm aware sappi 4 and only around in a limited number of us English voices in any case.

Its not strictly legal unless you had the original product, so its hard to advise any further. We certainly do not suggest using it as the later versions which also include some very nice new voices is value for money I think. I myself am happy with Espeak and some of the \Microsoft voices and some others that I have on a disc from Dolphin which are paid for and work well.

None of those is classic Eloquence though. To me it sounds like a bloke with a clothes peg on his nose, but I do understand some people find this very easy to understand. Horses for courses and all that, but you won't get anyone here to point you at a hacked version of it.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] My NVDA Not Working Properly


No legal version of Eloquence is free. Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 6:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] My NVDA Not Working Properly


hi.
which version of eloquence is free here?
i went to the different links and found different versions of eloquence.

On 12/5/16, Bobby <bvinton@...> wrote:
Well you can get the sapi voices at www.grossgang.com. a guy named Jake
gross has many voices including mike and Mary voices it under the tts
link on the page.


On 12/5/2016 4:19 aM, David wrote:
Am I mistaken here, or does NVDA support SAPI voices? Smiles.

Microsoft used to have a SAPI package which came in both SAPI4 and SAPI5
versions. It contained MS Mike, and MS Mary. Personally, I prefered the
quality of the speech, produced by the Sapi4 version. They were free, and
installed under at least XP, I do hold they should work under newer
flavors of Windows as well, though I cannot tell for sure.

I could dig out the installer from my archives, but you might also want to
do a net search for something like:
Mircrosoft voice Mike installer
or,
Microsoft voice Mike download
and see if you can find the package somewhere.

What I do recall, is that you downloaded an installer file, ran it,
restarted your system, and the voices would be ready for use, under the
SAPI tab of your screen reader voice selection. I seem to remember using
Mary, with an early version of NVDA. Unless something deep inside the NVDA
core has changed, I would say it should still work.

Though being SAPI, the voices were OK responsive, and the quality was a
good deal more natural sounding, than many of the ESpeak voices. I even
used the Mike and Mary, to read several EBooks.

Just thought it might be one alternative to try out. At least it is free,
so if you don't find it useful, you could always uninstall the package,
and you would have lost nothing.
David



On 12/5/2016 8:25 AM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
Hi Ibrahim


There 2 parts to the speech platform synth and voices.

One is the speech synth engine and the other is the voices.


This is from off the website of mine of what to do to get them.


How to install Microsoft Speech Platform and voices (free) for NVDA
There are Microsoft voices that you can use with NVDA. These are called
Microsoft Speech Platform Runtime Languages. Firstly, you will need the
Microsoft Speech Platform to be able to run them.

If you have not downloaded the Microsoft Speech Platform, it is
available from the following link
http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=27225
You will need the x86 version of the file.

If you have downloaded the Microsoft Speech Platform, you can get
version 11 voices for it (called Runtime Languages) from the following
link
http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=27224

The heading on the page should be: Microsoft Speech Platform - Runtime
Languages (Version 11). If for example I wanted an English voice called
Helen, I would click on one called MSSpeech_TTS_en-US_Helen.msi Please
be aware that TTS stands for text to speech, and SR stands for speech
recognition. You are looking for the TTS ones. Once downloaded, double
click on the file and it will automatically set up to the correct
location. Go back into NVDA settings Insert + N... Preferences...
Synthesizer... (In the dropdown list of synthesizers select) Microsoft
Speech Platform... Tab to OK and press Enter. Go back into your settings
Insert + N... Preferences... Voice settings... (under the Voice combo
box) arrow down to select the voice you wish to use. Tab to OK and press
Enter. You can of course alter the rate, pitch and volume to suit your
own needs. You will need to make sure that if you have version 10.2
that you use 10.2 voices, and if you get version 11 then you will need
to get the version 11 voices. For version 10.2 please refer to the NVDA
user manual for more information under supported synthesizers.


I am just looking at the page or pages now to get the synth engine and
voices.


if you are unsure which ones to get i will download the engine and all
the voices to my pc then zip them up and drop box them for you. or
others who might be interested in installing them.


I will do this shortly.


by the way there is another free synth package called speechhub that you
might want to use. the voices are only in english.

You can get the speech hub package from the following link at
http://www.speakon.org.uk/

Gene nz




On 5/12/2016 5:28 PM, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:
Hi good people:
If you can recollect, I did send a message to this group about my NVDA
not working properly. I did get many responses, and I thank all of
you who found time to respond. I am sorry I mistakenly deleted the
digest mail sent to me, and I can not reply to the mail. But I
believe some of you might remember the mail.
Actually, I got a very good response from David. He made some
suggestions which I've tried. I discovered when I switched off NVDa
as he suggested, and I used the demo version of JAWS for Windows, that
the system worked very nicely, and fast.
I strongly believe that the problem must be from the synthesiser I am
using. Actually, I use Micro sofft speech AI4 which I use through
viavoice outloud. I appear to like the synthesiser, because it is
very clear and it sounds like eloquence. But it appears obsolete and
not very helpful.
I can't use the JAWS demo version, because it works in 40 minute mode,
and one cannot usee that when doing serious work on the computer.
I downloaded Microsoft speech version 11 but it couldn't be installed
on my system. I did it several times but it didn't work. i cannot
use ESpeak, because I don't understand the speech. I tried koba
speech as well, but the speech for that is also not very easy to
comprehend.
So, can anyone suggest another synthesiser. I use windows 7 32bit.
I am Ibrahim from Nigeria.







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Re: Change NVDA key bindings

Andre Fisher
 

Hi.

This involves great use of the Input gestures dialog. Because you want
to remap the text review functions, it might be good that you use the
laptop keyboard layout, which has different keys assigned for these
purposes.

1. Go to the NVDA menu, Preferences, Input gestures dialog.
2. Arrow down to the text review tree view and press right arrow.
3. Using your up/down arrows to move between the keyboard script
functions and your right/left arrows to open/close the tree view
items, you can delete the keyboard shortcut assignments with Numpad in
them.

Let me know how it works out.

On 12/5/16, aeneagu via Groups.Io <aeneagu=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi,

I recently bought a Lenovo Ideapad 100 laptop that does not have individual
Home, End, PgUp and PgDown keys. Instead, these functions are on the Numpad
7, 1, 9 and 3 keys respectively. With NVDA off they can be used normally,
however when NVDA is on they lose their standard functionality as they
become numpad keys for review mode. Changing from desktop keyboard layout to
laptop layout does not seem to change anything, neither does Numlock on or
off, they still perform review commands.

Is there any way I can remove the binding from these 4 particular numpad
keys so that they work as regular Home, End etc, and remap other
keys/combinations for the 4 review commands?

Thanks,
Andreea


Re: Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

 

gene,
did you try potplayer to see that do you observe my problem too?
i realy wish thats fixed.
also, i am waiting for the comment of quentin in this regard.
did you test it quentin to see the result?

On 12/5/16, Governor staten <@Govsta> wrote:
VLC is accessible. It can do everything, and then some.



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On 12/5/2016 9:57 AM, Gene wrote:
I saw your description of your problem here just a bit ago. As I
said, we don't know if this is an issue that is generally a problem or
just on your machine for some reason. We may or may not get enough
reports from other users to determine that.
As far as your dissatisfaction with other players is concerned,
discussing what you particularly like about PotPlayer may be useful.
It may allow you to get information from others about other players
that do what you want, assuming such players are accessible. Given
the wide variety of players, I wouldn't be surprised if there are.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* nasrin khaksar <mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@...>
*Sent:* Monday, December 05, 2016 8:49 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable
release, and the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

gene,
i tried many players and was not satisfied with any of them except
potplayer!
i tried more than 30 players and potplayer is the best!
many websites confirm this.
did you try to see nvda is unresponsive when you close files with
potplayer?
i wish that my problem becomes solved at least in nvda 2016.4
did you read my issue 6513 on github?

On 12/5/16, Gene <gsasner@... <mailto:gsasner@...>> wrote:
Well, maybe it's a good player, then. But whatever problems it may
have, if
it doesn't work well on your system, trying another player would be
a good
idea. We don't know if the problems you are having with the player
have
anything to do with NVDA. To find out, you could test it with another
screen-reader such as a JAWS demo or perhaps with Narrator. But at this
point, we don't know if NVDA is causing the problem. There are
enough other
players available that are very well liked by blind people that if this
player doesn't work well for whatever reason on your machine, there are
plenty of alternatives.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 5:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable
release, and
the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease


hi.
potplayer is a very long time thats completely accessible!
whats the different between my link and yours?
i did not test the second link but the first link which i always use,
is the website of the programmers and owners of the softwares.
potplayer preference was not accessible in its old versions via
keyboard.
but now, its accessibility is realy great and even now, they put one
option for accessibility!

On 12/5/16, Jacob Kruger <jacob@...
<mailto:jacob@...>> wrote:
Quentin, HYG:

https://potplayer.daum.net/


But, gave it a quick test run, and, my guess is that it doesn't offer
much in t4erms of accessibility, etc. - no menu suystems that could
activate using alt + key combo's, etc., so not sure it would be
something I would want to work with as such.


stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-12-05 10:20, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Nasrin,

Is Potplayer freely available? If so, do you have a URL please and I
will download and test it myself as well.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 5:48 PM, nasrin khaksar
<nasrinkhaksar3@... <mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@...>
<mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@...>> wrote:

hi quentin.
i decided to stay on 2015.3 for always because in the latest
versions
nvda has problems with potplayer and when i press alt+f4 nvda
when i
press start menu says unknown and its a big issue for me.
because i only use potplayer and when i open files, most of
times, i
should use alt+control+n to revert nvda to its normal working.
15.3 until 16.2 were more stable for me.
but since 16.2 and 3, sometimes nvda says nothing or becomes
completely silent.
in this case, i afraid of maybe my system is hacked or my windows
has
problems or not working properly.

github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues.6513its
<http://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues.6513its> for potplayer
and
some others
players and for the problem in espeak new version with farsi
punctuations
github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6514
<http://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6514>

but i realy love the new features of nvda including selection of
documents and impprovements in using firefox and now, i use 16.3
could you please solve the problem which i mentioned in 16.4
to use
it
without any issues?
thanks extremely quentin.
do you have skype account for further details and contact about
different subjects?


On 12/5/16, Gene <gsasner@... <mailto:gsasner@...>
<mailto:gsasner@...>>
wrote:
> I mainly use an old version because I don't use new NVDA
features, as I said
> before. But also, I prefer the old way of using what was
called
Flat
> Review. I prefer always being in screen review when I activate
review mode
> in the old version and the automatic return to object
navigation
when I
> switch to another window. I could get used to the new system
but since I
> don't need to, I don't bother.
>
> Also, I don't think there is any way to import the speech
dictionaries other
> then to actually copy and paste the files. I could do that
easily enough
> but I don't since I have no need. But I am reminded of
something regarding
> the dictionaries. I think there should be an export and an
import
> dictionaries item in the dictionary interface itself.
>
> Gene
> From: Quentin Christensen
> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 5:55 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable
release, and
> the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease
>
>
> Hi Brian,
>
>
> Essentially only the latest stable (and currently as you noted,
RC) versions
> of NVDA are supported, in that if we fix a bug, that fix will
only go into a
> new build.
>
>
> Ideally, if someone is having a problem and finds that
reverting
to an
> earlier build resolves the issue, we'd very much prefer they
communicate
> that to us via a GitHub issue, or at least here on the list
or to
me
> personally so that we can endeavour to resolve it. The current
version
> should still work at least as far back as Windows XP (If anyone
is using
> Windows 98 or earlier, I'd be curious to hear your experiences
with NVDA
> just for my own interest if nothing else).
>
>
> Perhaps this thread might be a good place for anyone who is
using a version
> of NVDA prior to 2016.3, to share why that is? I can ensure
that
any issues
> are recorded on GitHub, but I'd also be able to compile a list
that I can
> take back to Mick and Jamie and say "these are issues that are
currently
> keeping users on old versions of NVDA".
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
> Quentin.
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 9:23 AM, Brian Vogel
<@britechguy <mailto:@britechguy>
<mailto:@britechguy>> wrote:
>
> The subject pretty much asks it all.
>
> In topic after topic I see people saying that they're using
old, often
> really old, versions of NVDA. That is entirely their choice,
and I'm not
> questioning that.
>
> What I'd like to know is how many versions, if any, other
than
the latest
> stable release and the RC releases, are "officially" supported
by NVAccess.
>
> Knowing how much change occurs as releases roll out over time
I know it's
> impossible to keep supporting prior releases in perpetuity or
anything close
> to it. I also know that it generally makes no sense to try to
replicate a
> bug in a release different than the one it's been detected in
except as an
> effort to determine if it is a "carry forward" that was
previously
> undetected versus newly introduced.
>
> It's almost impossible to know "what's what" unless
individuals using NVDA
> are all using the latest stable version so far as issue
reporting goes.
> That's why, particularly for open-source software, I make it a
habit to
> religiously upgrade to the latest release whether I need the
latest "bells
> and whistles" or not. Unless there is some really buggy
release
(and I'm
> talking generally, not NVDA in particular) it just makes
everyone's lives
> much easier.
> --
> Brian
>
>
> Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is
complete. If
> you’re alive, it isn’t.
>
> ~ Lauren Bacall
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Quentin Christensen
> Training Material Developer
> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
available:
> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>
>
> Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
> Direct: +61 413 904 383 <tel:%2B61%20413%20904%20383>
> www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org>
<http://www.nvaccess.org>
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
<http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>
> Twitter: @NVAccess
>
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org <http://al-islam.org>






--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org> <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

 

VLC is accessible. It can do everything, and then some.






On 12/5/2016 9:57 AM, Gene wrote:
I saw your description of your problem here just a bit ago.  As I said, we don't know if this is an issue that is generally a problem or just on your machine for some reason.  We may or may not get enough reports from other users to determine that. 
 
As far as your dissatisfaction with other players is concerned, discussing what you particularly like about PotPlayer may be useful.  It may allow you to get information from others about other players that do what you want, assuming such players are accessible.  Given the wide variety of players, I wouldn't be surprised if there are.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

gene,
i tried many players and was not satisfied with any of them except potplayer!
i tried more than 30 players and potplayer is the best!
many websites confirm this.
did you try to see nvda is unresponsive when you close files with potplayer?
i wish that my problem becomes solved at least in nvda 2016.4
did you read my issue 6513 on github?

On 12/5/16, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> Well, maybe it's a good player, then.  But whatever problems it may have, if
> it doesn't work well on your system, trying another player would be a good
> idea.  We don't know if the problems you are having with the player have
> anything to do with NVDA.  To find out, you could test it with another
> screen-reader such as a JAWS demo or perhaps with Narrator.  But at this
> point, we don't know if NVDA is causing the problem.  There are enough other
> players available that are very well liked by blind people that if this
> player doesn't work well for whatever reason on your machine, there are
> plenty of alternatives.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: nasrin khaksar
> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 5:37 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and
> the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease
>
>
> hi.
> potplayer is a very long time thats completely accessible!
> whats the different between my link and yours?
> i did not test the second link but the first link which i always use,
> is the website of the programmers and owners of the softwares.
> potplayer preference was not accessible in its old versions via keyboard.
> but now, its accessibility is realy great and even now, they put one
> option for accessibility!
>
> On 12/5/16, Jacob Kruger <jacob@...> wrote:
>> Quentin, HYG:
>>
>> https://potplayer.daum.net/
>>
>>
>> But, gave it a quick test run, and, my guess is that it doesn't offer
>> much in t4erms of accessibility, etc. - no menu suystems that could
>> activate using alt + key combo's, etc., so not sure it would be
>> something I would want to work with as such.
>>
>>
>> stay well
>>
>>
>> Jacob Kruger
>> Blind Biker
>> Skype: BlindZA
>> "Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
>>
>> On 2016-12-05 10:20, Quentin Christensen wrote:
>>> Hi Nasrin,
>>>
>>> Is Potplayer freely available?  If so, do you have a URL please and I
>>> will download and test it myself as well.
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>> Quentin.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 5:48 PM, nasrin khaksar
>>> <nasrinkhaksar3@... <mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@...>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     hi quentin.
>>>     i decided to stay on 2015.3 for always because in the latest
>>> versions
>>>     nvda has problems with potplayer and when i press alt+f4 nvda when i
>>>     press start menu says unknown and its a big issue for me.
>>>     because i only use potplayer and when i open files, most of times, i
>>>     should use alt+control+n to revert nvda to its normal working.
>>>     15.3 until 16.2 were more stable for me.
>>>     but since 16.2 and 3, sometimes nvda says nothing or becomes
>>>     completely silent.
>>>     in this case, i afraid of maybe my system is hacked or my windows
>>> has
>>>     problems or not working properly.
>>>
>>>     github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues.6513its
>>>     <http://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues.6513its> for potplayer and
>>>     some others
>>>     players and for the problem in espeak new version with farsi
>>>     punctuations
>>>     github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6514
>>>     <http://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6514>
>>>
>>>     but i realy love the new features of nvda including selection of
>>>     documents and impprovements in using firefox and now, i use 16.3
>>>     could you please solve the problem which i mentioned in 16.4 to use
>>> it
>>>     without any issues?
>>>     thanks extremely quentin.
>>>     do you have skype account for further details and contact about
>>>     different subjects?
>>>
>>>
>>>     On 12/5/16, Gene <gsasner@... <mailto:gsasner@...>>
>>> wrote:
>>>     > I mainly use an old version because I don't use new NVDA
>>>     features, as I said
>>>     > before.  But also, I prefer the old way of using what was called
>>>     Flat
>>>     > Review.  I prefer always being in screen review when I activate
>>>     review mode
>>>     > in the old version and the automatic return to object navigation
>>>     when I
>>>     > switch to another window.  I could get used to the new system
>>>     but since I
>>>     > don't need to, I don't bother.
>>>     >
>>>     > Also, I don't think there is any way to import the speech
>>>     dictionaries other
>>>     > then to actually copy and paste the files.  I could do that
>>>     easily enough
>>>     > but I don't since I have no need.  But I am reminded of
>>>     something regarding
>>>     > the dictionaries.  I think there should be an export and an import
>>>     > dictionaries item in the dictionary interface itself.
>>>     >
>>>     > Gene
>>>     > From: Quentin Christensen
>>>     > Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 5:55 PM
>>>     > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>     > Subject: Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable
>>>     release, and
>>>     > the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     > Hi Brian,
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     > Essentially only the latest stable (and currently as you noted,
>>>     RC) versions
>>>     > of NVDA are supported, in that if we fix a bug, that fix will
>>>     only go into a
>>>     > new build.
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     > Ideally, if someone is having a problem and finds that reverting
>>>     to an
>>>     > earlier build resolves the issue, we'd very much prefer they
>>>     communicate
>>>     > that to us via a GitHub issue, or at least here on the list or to
>>> me
>>>     > personally so that we can endeavour to resolve it. The current
>>>     version
>>>     > should still work at least as far back as Windows XP (If anyone
>>>     is using
>>>     > Windows 98 or earlier, I'd be curious to hear your experiences
>>>     with NVDA
>>>     > just for my own interest if nothing else).
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     > Perhaps this thread might be a good place for anyone who is
>>>     using a version
>>>     > of NVDA prior to 2016.3, to share why that is? I can ensure that
>>>     any issues
>>>     > are recorded on GitHub, but I'd also be able to compile a list
>>>     that I can
>>>     > take back to Mick and Jamie and say "these are issues that are
>>>     currently
>>>     > keeping users on old versions of NVDA".
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     > Kind regards
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     > Quentin.
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     > On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 9:23 AM, Brian Vogel
>>>     <britechguy@... <mailto:britechguy@...>> wrote:
>>>     >
>>>     >   The subject pretty much asks it all.
>>>     >
>>>     >   In topic after topic I see people saying that they're using
>>>     old, often
>>>     > really old, versions of NVDA.  That is entirely their choice,
>>>     and I'm not
>>>     > questioning that.
>>>     >
>>>     >   What I'd like to know is how many versions, if any, other than
>>>     the latest
>>>     > stable release and the RC releases, are "officially" supported
>>>     by NVAccess.
>>>     >
>>>     >   Knowing how much change occurs as releases roll out over time
>>>     I know it's
>>>     > impossible to keep supporting prior releases in perpetuity or
>>>     anything close
>>>     > to it.  I also know that it generally makes no sense to try to
>>>     replicate a
>>>     > bug in a release different than the one it's been detected in
>>>     except as an
>>>     > effort to determine if it is a "carry forward" that was previously
>>>     > undetected versus newly introduced.
>>>     >
>>>     >   It's almost impossible to know "what's what" unless
>>>     individuals using NVDA
>>>     > are all using the latest stable version so far as issue
>>>     reporting goes.
>>>     > That's why, particularly for open-source software, I make it a
>>>     habit to
>>>     > religiously upgrade to the latest release whether I need the
>>>     latest "bells
>>>     > and whistles" or not.  Unless there is some really buggy release
>>>     (and I'm
>>>     > talking generally, not NVDA in particular) it just makes
>>>     everyone's lives
>>>     > much easier.
>>>     >   --
>>>     >   Brian
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >   Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is
>>>     complete.  If
>>>     > you’re alive, it isn’t.
>>>     >
>>>     >       ~ Lauren Bacall
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     > --
>>>     >
>>>     > Quentin Christensen
>>>     > Training Material Developer
>>>     > Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
>>>     available:
>>>     > http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     > Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
>>>     > Direct: +61 413 904 383 <tel:%2B61%20413%20904%20383>
>>>     > www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org>
>>>     > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>>>     <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>
>>>     > Twitter: @NVAccess
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>
>>>
>>>     --
>>>     we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>>>     holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>>>     in the very authentic narration is:
>>>     imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>>>     best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>>>     al-islam.org <http://al-islam.org>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Quentin Christensen
>>> Training Material Developer
>>> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
>>> available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>>
>>> Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
>>> Direct: +61 413 904 383
>>> www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
>>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
> in the very authentic narration is:
> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
> al-islam.org
>
>
>
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org





Re: Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

Gene
 

I saw your description of your problem here just a bit ago.  As I said, we don't know if this is an issue that is generally a problem or just on your machine for some reason.  We may or may not get enough reports from other users to determine that. 
 
As far as your dissatisfaction with other players is concerned, discussing what you particularly like about PotPlayer may be useful.  It may allow you to get information from others about other players that do what you want, assuming such players are accessible.  Given the wide variety of players, I wouldn't be surprised if there are.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

gene,
i tried many players and was not satisfied with any of them except potplayer!
i tried more than 30 players and potplayer is the best!
many websites confirm this.
did you try to see nvda is unresponsive when you close files with potplayer?
i wish that my problem becomes solved at least in nvda 2016.4
did you read my issue 6513 on github?

On 12/5/16, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> Well, maybe it's a good player, then.  But whatever problems it may have, if
> it doesn't work well on your system, trying another player would be a good
> idea.  We don't know if the problems you are having with the player have
> anything to do with NVDA.  To find out, you could test it with another
> screen-reader such as a JAWS demo or perhaps with Narrator.  But at this
> point, we don't know if NVDA is causing the problem.  There are enough other
> players available that are very well liked by blind people that if this
> player doesn't work well for whatever reason on your machine, there are
> plenty of alternatives.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: nasrin khaksar
> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 5:37 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and
> the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease
>
>
> hi.
> potplayer is a very long time thats completely accessible!
> whats the different between my link and yours?
> i did not test the second link but the first link which i always use,
> is the website of the programmers and owners of the softwares.
> potplayer preference was not accessible in its old versions via keyboard.
> but now, its accessibility is realy great and even now, they put one
> option for accessibility!
>
> On 12/5/16, Jacob Kruger <jacob@...> wrote:
>> Quentin, HYG:
>>
>> https://potplayer.daum.net/
>>
>>
>> But, gave it a quick test run, and, my guess is that it doesn't offer
>> much in t4erms of accessibility, etc. - no menu suystems that could
>> activate using alt + key combo's, etc., so not sure it would be
>> something I would want to work with as such.
>>
>>
>> stay well
>>
>>
>> Jacob Kruger
>> Blind Biker
>> Skype: BlindZA
>> "Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
>>
>> On 2016-12-05 10:20, Quentin Christensen wrote:
>>> Hi Nasrin,
>>>
>>> Is Potplayer freely available?  If so, do you have a URL please and I
>>> will download and test it myself as well.
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>> Quentin.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 5:48 PM, nasrin khaksar
>>> <nasrinkhaksar3@... <mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@...>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     hi quentin.
>>>     i decided to stay on 2015.3 for always because in the latest
>>> versions
>>>     nvda has problems with potplayer and when i press alt+f4 nvda when i
>>>     press start menu says unknown and its a big issue for me.
>>>     because i only use potplayer and when i open files, most of times, i
>>>     should use alt+control+n to revert nvda to its normal working.
>>>     15.3 until 16.2 were more stable for me.
>>>     but since 16.2 and 3, sometimes nvda says nothing or becomes
>>>     completely silent.
>>>     in this case, i afraid of maybe my system is hacked or my windows
>>> has
>>>     problems or not working properly.
>>>
>>>     github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues.6513its
>>>     <http://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues.6513its> for potplayer and
>>>     some others
>>>     players and for the problem in espeak new version with farsi
>>>     punctuations
>>>     github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6514
>>>     <http://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6514>
>>>
>>>     but i realy love the new features of nvda including selection of
>>>     documents and impprovements in using firefox and now, i use 16.3
>>>     could you please solve the problem which i mentioned in 16.4 to use
>>> it
>>>     without any issues?
>>>     thanks extremely quentin.
>>>     do you have skype account for further details and contact about
>>>     different subjects?
>>>
>>>
>>>     On 12/5/16, Gene <gsasner@... <mailto:gsasner@...>>
>>> wrote:
>>>     > I mainly use an old version because I don't use new NVDA
>>>     features, as I said
>>>     > before.  But also, I prefer the old way of using what was called
>>>     Flat
>>>     > Review.  I prefer always being in screen review when I activate
>>>     review mode
>>>     > in the old version and the automatic return to object navigation
>>>     when I
>>>     > switch to another window.  I could get used to the new system
>>>     but since I
>>>     > don't need to, I don't bother.
>>>     >
>>>     > Also, I don't think there is any way to import the speech
>>>     dictionaries other
>>>     > then to actually copy and paste the files.  I could do that
>>>     easily enough
>>>     > but I don't since I have no need.  But I am reminded of
>>>     something regarding
>>>     > the dictionaries.  I think there should be an export and an import
>>>     > dictionaries item in the dictionary interface itself.
>>>     >
>>>     > Gene
>>>     > From: Quentin Christensen
>>>     > Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 5:55 PM
>>>     > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>     > Subject: Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable
>>>     release, and
>>>     > the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     > Hi Brian,
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     > Essentially only the latest stable (and currently as you noted,
>>>     RC) versions
>>>     > of NVDA are supported, in that if we fix a bug, that fix will
>>>     only go into a
>>>     > new build.
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     > Ideally, if someone is having a problem and finds that reverting
>>>     to an
>>>     > earlier build resolves the issue, we'd very much prefer they
>>>     communicate
>>>     > that to us via a GitHub issue, or at least here on the list or to
>>> me
>>>     > personally so that we can endeavour to resolve it. The current
>>>     version
>>>     > should still work at least as far back as Windows XP (If anyone
>>>     is using
>>>     > Windows 98 or earlier, I'd be curious to hear your experiences
>>>     with NVDA
>>>     > just for my own interest if nothing else).
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     > Perhaps this thread might be a good place for anyone who is
>>>     using a version
>>>     > of NVDA prior to 2016.3, to share why that is? I can ensure that
>>>     any issues
>>>     > are recorded on GitHub, but I'd also be able to compile a list
>>>     that I can
>>>     > take back to Mick and Jamie and say "these are issues that are
>>>     currently
>>>     > keeping users on old versions of NVDA".
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     > Kind regards
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     > Quentin.
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     > On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 9:23 AM, Brian Vogel
>>>     <britechguy@... <mailto:britechguy@...>> wrote:
>>>     >
>>>     >   The subject pretty much asks it all.
>>>     >
>>>     >   In topic after topic I see people saying that they're using
>>>     old, often
>>>     > really old, versions of NVDA.  That is entirely their choice,
>>>     and I'm not
>>>     > questioning that.
>>>     >
>>>     >   What I'd like to know is how many versions, if any, other than
>>>     the latest
>>>     > stable release and the RC releases, are "officially" supported
>>>     by NVAccess.
>>>     >
>>>     >   Knowing how much change occurs as releases roll out over time
>>>     I know it's
>>>     > impossible to keep supporting prior releases in perpetuity or
>>>     anything close
>>>     > to it.  I also know that it generally makes no sense to try to
>>>     replicate a
>>>     > bug in a release different than the one it's been detected in
>>>     except as an
>>>     > effort to determine if it is a "carry forward" that was previously
>>>     > undetected versus newly introduced.
>>>     >
>>>     >   It's almost impossible to know "what's what" unless
>>>     individuals using NVDA
>>>     > are all using the latest stable version so far as issue
>>>     reporting goes.
>>>     > That's why, particularly for open-source software, I make it a
>>>     habit to
>>>     > religiously upgrade to the latest release whether I need the
>>>     latest "bells
>>>     > and whistles" or not.  Unless there is some really buggy release
>>>     (and I'm
>>>     > talking generally, not NVDA in particular) it just makes
>>>     everyone's lives
>>>     > much easier.
>>>     >   --
>>>     >   Brian
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >   Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is
>>>     complete.  If
>>>     > you’re alive, it isn’t.
>>>     >
>>>     >       ~ Lauren Bacall
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     > --
>>>     >
>>>     > Quentin Christensen
>>>     > Training Material Developer
>>>     > Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
>>>     available:
>>>     > http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     > Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
>>>     > Direct: +61 413 904 383 <tel:%2B61%20413%20904%20383>
>>>     > www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org>
>>>     > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>>>     <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>
>>>     > Twitter: @NVAccess
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>
>>>
>>>     --
>>>     we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>>>     holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>>>     in the very authentic narration is:
>>>     imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>>>     best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>>>     al-islam.org <http://al-islam.org>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Quentin Christensen
>>> Training Material Developer
>>> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
>>> available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>>
>>> Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
>>> Direct: +61 413 904 383
>>> www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
>>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
> in the very authentic narration is:
> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
> al-islam.org
>
>
>
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




Re: Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

 

gene,
i tried many players and was not satisfied with any of them except potplayer!
i tried more than 30 players and potplayer is the best!
many websites confirm this.
did you try to see nvda is unresponsive when you close files with potplayer?
i wish that my problem becomes solved at least in nvda 2016.4
did you read my issue 6513 on github?

On 12/5/16, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Well, maybe it's a good player, then. But whatever problems it may have, if
it doesn't work well on your system, trying another player would be a good
idea. We don't know if the problems you are having with the player have
anything to do with NVDA. To find out, you could test it with another
screen-reader such as a JAWS demo or perhaps with Narrator. But at this
point, we don't know if NVDA is causing the problem. There are enough other
players available that are very well liked by blind people that if this
player doesn't work well for whatever reason on your machine, there are
plenty of alternatives.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 5:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and
the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease


hi.
potplayer is a very long time thats completely accessible!
whats the different between my link and yours?
i did not test the second link but the first link which i always use,
is the website of the programmers and owners of the softwares.
potplayer preference was not accessible in its old versions via keyboard.
but now, its accessibility is realy great and even now, they put one
option for accessibility!

On 12/5/16, Jacob Kruger <jacob@...> wrote:
Quentin, HYG:

https://potplayer.daum.net/


But, gave it a quick test run, and, my guess is that it doesn't offer
much in t4erms of accessibility, etc. - no menu suystems that could
activate using alt + key combo's, etc., so not sure it would be
something I would want to work with as such.


stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-12-05 10:20, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Nasrin,

Is Potplayer freely available? If so, do you have a URL please and I
will download and test it myself as well.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 5:48 PM, nasrin khaksar
<nasrinkhaksar3@... <mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@...>> wrote:

hi quentin.
i decided to stay on 2015.3 for always because in the latest
versions
nvda has problems with potplayer and when i press alt+f4 nvda when i
press start menu says unknown and its a big issue for me.
because i only use potplayer and when i open files, most of times, i
should use alt+control+n to revert nvda to its normal working.
15.3 until 16.2 were more stable for me.
but since 16.2 and 3, sometimes nvda says nothing or becomes
completely silent.
in this case, i afraid of maybe my system is hacked or my windows
has
problems or not working properly.

github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues.6513its
<http://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues.6513its> for potplayer and
some others
players and for the problem in espeak new version with farsi
punctuations
github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6514
<http://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6514>

but i realy love the new features of nvda including selection of
documents and impprovements in using firefox and now, i use 16.3
could you please solve the problem which i mentioned in 16.4 to use
it
without any issues?
thanks extremely quentin.
do you have skype account for further details and contact about
different subjects?


On 12/5/16, Gene <gsasner@... <mailto:gsasner@...>>
wrote:
> I mainly use an old version because I don't use new NVDA
features, as I said
> before. But also, I prefer the old way of using what was called
Flat
> Review. I prefer always being in screen review when I activate
review mode
> in the old version and the automatic return to object navigation
when I
> switch to another window. I could get used to the new system
but since I
> don't need to, I don't bother.
>
> Also, I don't think there is any way to import the speech
dictionaries other
> then to actually copy and paste the files. I could do that
easily enough
> but I don't since I have no need. But I am reminded of
something regarding
> the dictionaries. I think there should be an export and an import
> dictionaries item in the dictionary interface itself.
>
> Gene
> From: Quentin Christensen
> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 5:55 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable
release, and
> the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease
>
>
> Hi Brian,
>
>
> Essentially only the latest stable (and currently as you noted,
RC) versions
> of NVDA are supported, in that if we fix a bug, that fix will
only go into a
> new build.
>
>
> Ideally, if someone is having a problem and finds that reverting
to an
> earlier build resolves the issue, we'd very much prefer they
communicate
> that to us via a GitHub issue, or at least here on the list or to
me
> personally so that we can endeavour to resolve it. The current
version
> should still work at least as far back as Windows XP (If anyone
is using
> Windows 98 or earlier, I'd be curious to hear your experiences
with NVDA
> just for my own interest if nothing else).
>
>
> Perhaps this thread might be a good place for anyone who is
using a version
> of NVDA prior to 2016.3, to share why that is? I can ensure that
any issues
> are recorded on GitHub, but I'd also be able to compile a list
that I can
> take back to Mick and Jamie and say "these are issues that are
currently
> keeping users on old versions of NVDA".
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
> Quentin.
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 9:23 AM, Brian Vogel
<@britechguy <mailto:@britechguy>> wrote:
>
> The subject pretty much asks it all.
>
> In topic after topic I see people saying that they're using
old, often
> really old, versions of NVDA. That is entirely their choice,
and I'm not
> questioning that.
>
> What I'd like to know is how many versions, if any, other than
the latest
> stable release and the RC releases, are "officially" supported
by NVAccess.
>
> Knowing how much change occurs as releases roll out over time
I know it's
> impossible to keep supporting prior releases in perpetuity or
anything close
> to it. I also know that it generally makes no sense to try to
replicate a
> bug in a release different than the one it's been detected in
except as an
> effort to determine if it is a "carry forward" that was previously
> undetected versus newly introduced.
>
> It's almost impossible to know "what's what" unless
individuals using NVDA
> are all using the latest stable version so far as issue
reporting goes.
> That's why, particularly for open-source software, I make it a
habit to
> religiously upgrade to the latest release whether I need the
latest "bells
> and whistles" or not. Unless there is some really buggy release
(and I'm
> talking generally, not NVDA in particular) it just makes
everyone's lives
> much easier.
> --
> Brian
>
>
> Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is
complete. If
> you’re alive, it isn’t.
>
> ~ Lauren Bacall
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Quentin Christensen
> Training Material Developer
> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
available:
> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>
>
> Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
> Direct: +61 413 904 383 <tel:%2B61%20413%20904%20383>
> www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org>
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
<http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>
> Twitter: @NVAccess
>
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org <http://al-islam.org>






--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

Gene
 

Here is a link to a page that has a lot of information about players. 
I'm not sure how old the page is but from the little I looked at, it appears the information is still current or reasonably so.  Looking through the list of players, you will find useful information.  For example, regarding VLC Player, you are directed to a page with information about how to use the player as a blind user.
 
I want to make clear that I am not saying that people shouldn't report and discuss problems with players they like.  My point is that if people want to do so, that's fine but that in an area like players where there are a lot of choices, it often makes more sense to switch to another player.  We don't know, in this case, whether the problems are caused by some anomoly on your system, your version of Windows, or something else I may not have thought of.  The player appears to me to be little known or used among blind people.  I said in a previous message that that might be because it isn't accessible.  Evidently, the program is accessible or reasonably so.  So it appears I was wrong about that.  But it may be hard to get much user verification or lack of verification as to whether your problems are more general or specific to your specific machine for some reason. 
 
In short, in areas where a lot of choice exists, there is nothing wrong with reporting a problem.  But whether you do or not, it often is a much more efficient solution to switch to another just as satisfactory program.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 7:57 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

Well, maybe it's a good player, then.  But whatever problems it may have, if it doesn't work well on your system, trying another player would be a good idea.  We don't know if the problems you are having with the player have anything to do with NVDA.  To find out, you could test it with another screen-reader such as a JAWS demo or perhaps with Narrator.  But at this point, we don't know if NVDA is causing the problem.  There are enough other players available that are very well liked by blind people that if this player doesn't work well for whatever reason on your machine, there are plenty of alternatives. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 5:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

hi.
potplayer is a very long time thats completely accessible!
whats the different between my link and yours?
i did not test the second link but the first link which i always use,
is the website of the programmers and owners of the softwares.
potplayer preference was not accessible in its old versions via keyboard.
but now, its accessibility is realy great and even now, they put one
option for accessibility!

On 12/5/16, Jacob Kruger <jacob@...> wrote:
> Quentin, HYG:
>
> https://potplayer.daum.net/
>
>
> But, gave it a quick test run, and, my guess is that it doesn't offer
> much in t4erms of accessibility, etc. - no menu suystems that could
> activate using alt + key combo's, etc., so not sure it would be
> something I would want to work with as such.
>
>
> stay well
>
>
> Jacob Kruger
> Blind Biker
> Skype: BlindZA
> "Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
>
> On 2016-12-05 10:20, Quentin Christensen wrote:
>> Hi Nasrin,
>>
>> Is Potplayer freely available?  If so, do you have a URL please and I
>> will download and test it myself as well.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Quentin.
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 5:48 PM, nasrin khaksar
>> <nasrinkhaksar3@... <mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@...>> wrote:
>>
>>     hi quentin.
>>     i decided to stay on 2015.3 for always because in the latest versions
>>     nvda has problems with potplayer and when i press alt+f4 nvda when i
>>     press start menu says unknown and its a big issue for me.
>>     because i only use potplayer and when i open files, most of times, i
>>     should use alt+control+n to revert nvda to its normal working.
>>     15.3 until 16.2 were more stable for me.
>>     but since 16.2 and 3, sometimes nvda says nothing or becomes
>>     completely silent.
>>     in this case, i afraid of maybe my system is hacked or my windows has
>>     problems or not working properly.
>>
>>     github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues.6513its
>>     <http://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues.6513its> for potplayer and
>>     some others
>>     players and for the problem in espeak new version with farsi
>>     punctuations
>>     github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6514
>>     <http://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6514>
>>
>>     but i realy love the new features of nvda including selection of
>>     documents and impprovements in using firefox and now, i use 16.3
>>     could you please solve the problem which i mentioned in 16.4 to use
>> it
>>     without any issues?
>>     thanks extremely quentin.
>>     do you have skype account for further details and contact about
>>     different subjects?
>>
>>
>>     On 12/5/16, Gene <gsasner@... <mailto:gsasner@...>>
>> wrote:
>>     > I mainly use an old version because I don't use new NVDA
>>     features, as I said
>>     > before.  But also, I prefer the old way of using what was called
>>     Flat
>>     > Review.  I prefer always being in screen review when I activate
>>     review mode
>>     > in the old version and the automatic return to object navigation
>>     when I
>>     > switch to another window.  I could get used to the new system
>>     but since I
>>     > don't need to, I don't bother.
>>     >
>>     > Also, I don't think there is any way to import the speech
>>     dictionaries other
>>     > then to actually copy and paste the files.  I could do that
>>     easily enough
>>     > but I don't since I have no need.  But I am reminded of
>>     something regarding
>>     > the dictionaries.  I think there should be an export and an import
>>     > dictionaries item in the dictionary interface itself.
>>     >
>>     > Gene
>>     > From: Quentin Christensen
>>     > Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 5:55 PM
>>     > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>     > Subject: Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable
>>     release, and
>>     > the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > Hi Brian,
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > Essentially only the latest stable (and currently as you noted,
>>     RC) versions
>>     > of NVDA are supported, in that if we fix a bug, that fix will
>>     only go into a
>>     > new build.
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > Ideally, if someone is having a problem and finds that reverting
>>     to an
>>     > earlier build resolves the issue, we'd very much prefer they
>>     communicate
>>     > that to us via a GitHub issue, or at least here on the list or to
>> me
>>     > personally so that we can endeavour to resolve it. The current
>>     version
>>     > should still work at least as far back as Windows XP (If anyone
>>     is using
>>     > Windows 98 or earlier, I'd be curious to hear your experiences
>>     with NVDA
>>     > just for my own interest if nothing else).
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > Perhaps this thread might be a good place for anyone who is
>>     using a version
>>     > of NVDA prior to 2016.3, to share why that is? I can ensure that
>>     any issues
>>     > are recorded on GitHub, but I'd also be able to compile a list
>>     that I can
>>     > take back to Mick and Jamie and say "these are issues that are
>>     currently
>>     > keeping users on old versions of NVDA".
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > Kind regards
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > Quentin.
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 9:23 AM, Brian Vogel
>>     <britechguy@... <mailto:britechguy@...>> wrote:
>>     >
>>     >   The subject pretty much asks it all.
>>     >
>>     >   In topic after topic I see people saying that they're using
>>     old, often
>>     > really old, versions of NVDA.  That is entirely their choice,
>>     and I'm not
>>     > questioning that.
>>     >
>>     >   What I'd like to know is how many versions, if any, other than
>>     the latest
>>     > stable release and the RC releases, are "officially" supported
>>     by NVAccess.
>>     >
>>     >   Knowing how much change occurs as releases roll out over time
>>     I know it's
>>     > impossible to keep supporting prior releases in perpetuity or
>>     anything close
>>     > to it.  I also know that it generally makes no sense to try to
>>     replicate a
>>     > bug in a release different than the one it's been detected in
>>     except as an
>>     > effort to determine if it is a "carry forward" that was previously
>>     > undetected versus newly introduced.
>>     >
>>     >   It's almost impossible to know "what's what" unless
>>     individuals using NVDA
>>     > are all using the latest stable version so far as issue
>>     reporting goes.
>>     > That's why, particularly for open-source software, I make it a
>>     habit to
>>     > religiously upgrade to the latest release whether I need the
>>     latest "bells
>>     > and whistles" or not.  Unless there is some really buggy release
>>     (and I'm
>>     > talking generally, not NVDA in particular) it just makes
>>     everyone's lives
>>     > much easier.
>>     >   --
>>     >   Brian
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >   Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is
>>     complete.  If
>>     > you’re alive, it isn’t.
>>     >
>>     >       ~ Lauren Bacall
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > --
>>     >
>>     > Quentin Christensen
>>     > Training Material Developer
>>     > Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
>>     available:
>>     > http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
>>     > Direct: +61 413 904 383 <tel:%2B61%20413%20904%20383>
>>     > www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org>
>>     > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>>     <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>
>>     > Twitter: @NVAccess
>>     >
>>     >
>>
>>
>>     --
>>     we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>>     holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>>     in the very authentic narration is:
>>     imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>>     best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>>     al-islam.org <http://al-islam.org>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Quentin Christensen
>> Training Material Developer
>> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
>> available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>
>> Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
>> Direct: +61 413 904 383
>> www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>>
>
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




Re: Braille Display and NVDA

Alexander Masic
 

I have an braille voyager and running that display with and convertbox wich should makes the display lrunning like an Alva-display, and i'm not able to get it work With Jaws and other screenreaders it works fine.

And wats make my a little bit angry is that the NVDA-developers are often talking about how important it is to stil give support for XP-computers, But on other hand they seems not willing to support older brailledisplays. Two opinions wich i have difficulties to se how they match.




Den 2016-12-05 kl. 13:55, skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland:

Also, did anyone see my message within this same thread about my Alva? I'm basically in the same boat as David is with his! display. I have both an Alva Sattelite 584 Pro but because of getting it used, I don't have a power cord. I gotta run it bus powered via USB. I've tried all the things like Libbraille, BRLTTY, etc, but with NVDA, I can't get it working, regardless 32 bit or 64 bit Windows. I've tried on XP all the way up to Windows 10, and it just won't cut it. The only way I've gotten it working is in JAWS 15 on my 32 bit XP machine, which flat out sucks! I really would like to use this on a newer system like Windows 10, as it's such a great display! The only other option would be using this thing on my mac, which I've done successfully many of times, by the way.
----- Original Message -----
From: David
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille Display and NVDA

Thanks,

No I do not have any driver for the display at all. Have used it with Window-Eyes, and that screen reader has built-in support for the display, right out of the box. The display runs off either a Parallel port, or alternatively you can set it to run off the Serial Com-port (RS232). No USB ports on these models, guess they are too old for that. Smiles.


I hope someone out there, might be sitting on some sort of driver, that at least I could give it all a try. Will have to test out your suggestions, but won't be able to do so for a couple of weeks, since my display currently is packed down from moving.



David
On 12/5/2016 12:38 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi David,

I haven't tried a PowerBraille.  I know the Focus and Pac Mate series work with the Freedom Scientific driver, so it might be worth, if you have the PowerBraille driver available, trying that?  I had a look on the Freedom Scientific site but can't find the drivers readily available to download.  I did find an issue on our GitHub which was filed using a PowerBraille 40 (although mentioning it was made by TeleSensory - perhaps a difference device or an earlier company?)  That issue looks like they were using Brltty, so could be worth trying that too?

Sorry I can't offer anything more concrete!

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 7:01 AM, David <trailerdavid@...> wrote:
OK, I know this is kind of old-fashioned. Thing is, I do have a
PowerBraille 80 display here, which I have successfully been using with
another screen reader.

I think I did look in the list of Braille displays in NVDA awhile ago,
and did NOT find the PowerBraille 80 listed there. Is my memory correct?
If so, can I use any other driver, or does there exist a driver for this
display under NVDA? The display works just fine, so would be great to
use it even with the free screen reader.

Thanks for any feedback.







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Re: Bypassing key commands

Chris Mullins
 

It’s NVDA+F2 on both laptop and desktop

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: 5 December 2016 13:37
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Bypassing key commands

 

I need to know both with the desktop layout, as well as the laptop layout the command for passing a key through to the OS which may otherwise conflict with NVDA commands.

 

The situation is, I'm working with someone trying to use the NVDA Remote addon. The issue is, the app we're using that I need to help her with uses the F11 key for one of its core functions. If I hit F11, it's gonna toggle between her PC and mine. So, how do I pass that F11 key through while on her system, or for that mind, on mine?

 

Chris.


Re: Bypassing key commands

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

And, I'd presume it's the same for the laptop; I can't see any reason why it wouldn't be.

Chris.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacob@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Bypassing key commands


Desktop keystroke is NVDA + F2, to pass next key through.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-12-05 15:56, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
Yes? You're correct, but that wasn't my question. I'm perfectly aware of this.

What I was asking is, sometimes, F11 may conflict with another application. Say you have a program that uses the F11 key to carry out a certain task. I want that F11 key then to be passed through to the OS, so that it can be used with sed program. I don't want NVDA interpreting that F11 key press, nor do I want the addon interpreting it either, and trying to toggle me between machines.

I just need to be able to know the command to pass the key through. In JFW, the equivalent is insert+num row 3.

Chris.

----- Original Message ----- From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 8:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Bypassing key commands


hi.
pressing f11 i think you can control other computer and pressing
again, you return to your system.

On 12/5/16, Christopher-Mark Gilland <@AHeart4God316> wrote:
I need to know both with the desktop layout, as well as the laptop layout
the command for passing a key through to the OS which may otherwise conflict
with NVDA commands.

The situation is, I'm working with someone trying to use the NVDA Remote
addon. The issue is, the app we're using that I need to help her with uses
the F11 key for one of its core functions. If I hit F11, it's gonna toggle
between her PC and mine. So, how do I pass that F11 key through while on her
system, or for that mind, on mine?

Chris.

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org







Re: Bypassing key commands

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


I knew about keyboard help, but I didn't even know where to start as far as what keys to experiment with.
 
So, thanks for the help.
 
Chris.
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Bypassing key commands

The command is NVDA key f2.  When looking for such commands, the fastest way to find them or refresh your memory might be to turn input help on, NVDA key f1.  Then hold the NVDA key and start with F2 and go through to f8 or 9 until you find what you want, if you do.
Do the same thing with the number keys on the main part of the keyboard. 
 
Many commands for changing this or that behavior of NVDA are NVDA key number keys combinations. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 7:36 AM
Subject: [nvda] Bypassing key commands

I need to know both with the desktop layout, as well as the laptop layout the command for passing a key through to the OS which may otherwise conflict with NVDA commands.
 
The situation is, I'm working with someone trying to use the NVDA Remote addon. The issue is, the app we're using that I need to help her with uses the F11 key for one of its core functions. If I hit F11, it's gonna toggle between her PC and mine. So, how do I pass that F11 key through while on her system, or for that mind, on mine?
 
Chris.


Re: Bypassing key commands

Jacob Kruger
 

Desktop keystroke is NVDA + F2, to pass next key through.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-12-05 15:56, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
Yes? You're correct, but that wasn't my question. I'm perfectly aware of this.

What I was asking is, sometimes, F11 may conflict with another application. Say you have a program that uses the F11 key to carry out a certain task. I want that F11 key then to be passed through to the OS, so that it can be used with sed program. I don't want NVDA interpreting that F11 key press, nor do I want the addon interpreting it either, and trying to toggle me between machines.

I just need to be able to know the command to pass the key through. In JFW, the equivalent is insert+num row 3.

Chris.

----- Original Message ----- From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 8:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Bypassing key commands


hi.
pressing f11 i think you can control other computer and pressing
again, you return to your system.

On 12/5/16, Christopher-Mark Gilland <@AHeart4God316> wrote:
I need to know both with the desktop layout, as well as the laptop layout
the command for passing a key through to the OS which may otherwise conflict
with NVDA commands.

The situation is, I'm working with someone trying to use the NVDA Remote
addon. The issue is, the app we're using that I need to help her with uses
the F11 key for one of its core functions. If I hit F11, it's gonna toggle
between her PC and mine. So, how do I pass that F11 key through while on her
system, or for that mind, on mine?

Chris.

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org






Re: Bypassing key commands

Gene
 

The command is NVDA key f2.  When looking for such commands, the fastest way to find them or refresh your memory might be to turn input help on, NVDA key f1.  Then hold the NVDA key and start with F2 and go through to f8 or 9 until you find what you want, if you do.
Do the same thing with the number keys on the main part of the keyboard. 
 
Many commands for changing this or that behavior of NVDA are NVDA key number keys combinations. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 7:36 AM
Subject: [nvda] Bypassing key commands

I need to know both with the desktop layout, as well as the laptop layout the command for passing a key through to the OS which may otherwise conflict with NVDA commands.
 
The situation is, I'm working with someone trying to use the NVDA Remote addon. The issue is, the app we're using that I need to help her with uses the F11 key for one of its core functions. If I hit F11, it's gonna toggle between her PC and mine. So, how do I pass that F11 key through while on her system, or for that mind, on mine?
 
Chris.


Change NVDA key bindings

Andreea Neagu
 

Hi,

I recently bought a Lenovo Ideapad 100 laptop that does not have individual Home, End, PgUp and PgDown keys. Instead, these functions are on the Numpad 7, 1, 9 and 3 keys respectively. With NVDA off they can be used normally, however when NVDA is on they lose their standard functionality as they become numpad keys for review mode. Changing from desktop keyboard layout to laptop layout does not seem to change anything, neither does Numlock on or off, they still perform review commands.

Is there any way I can remove the binding from these 4 particular numpad keys so that they work as regular Home, End etc, and remap other keys/combinations for the 4 review commands?

Thanks,
Andreea


Re: Paid Tutorials?

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

I don't mind the format. I'm not picky, so's long as it's in audio format, and is done by an actual human, not by a TTS synth reading a text file. Now, this said, if there are text based materials to go along with the audio, that's awesome, but I need at least bare minimum the audio.

Gene's audio tutorials are fantastic, don't get me wrong, and I absolutely do plan to use them, but I'd like to get the paid ones as well. This way I have both resources.

Chris.


Re: My NVDA Not Working Properly

Gene
 

No legal version of Eloquence is free.  Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 6:00 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] My NVDA Not Working Properly

hi.
which version of eloquence is free here?
i went to the different links and found different versions of eloquence.

On 12/5/16, Bobby <bvinton@...> wrote:
> Well you can get the sapi voices at www.grossgang.com.  a guy named Jake
> gross has many voices including mike and Mary voices it under the tts
> link on the page.
>
>
> On 12/5/2016 4:19 aM, David wrote:
>> Am I mistaken here, or does NVDA support SAPI voices? Smiles.
>>
>> Microsoft used to have a SAPI package which came in both SAPI4 and SAPI5
>> versions. It contained MS Mike, and MS Mary. Personally, I prefered the
>> quality of the speech, produced by the Sapi4 version. They were free, and
>> installed under at least XP, I do hold they should work under newer
>> flavors of Windows as well, though I cannot tell for sure.
>>
>> I could dig out the installer from my archives, but you might also want to
>> do a net search for something like:
>> Mircrosoft voice Mike installer
>> or,
>> Microsoft voice Mike download
>> and see if you can find the package somewhere.
>>
>> What I do recall, is that you downloaded an installer file, ran it,
>> restarted your system, and the voices would be ready for use, under the
>> SAPI tab of your screen reader voice selection. I seem to remember using
>> Mary, with an early version of NVDA. Unless something deep inside the NVDA
>> core has changed, I would say it should still work.
>>
>> Though being SAPI, the voices were OK responsive, and the quality was a
>> good deal more natural sounding, than many of the ESpeak voices. I even
>> used the Mike and Mary, to read several EBooks.
>>
>> Just thought it might be one alternative to try out. At least it is free,
>> so if you don't find it useful, you could always uninstall the package,
>> and you would have lost nothing.
>> David
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/5/2016 8:25 AM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
>>> Hi Ibrahim
>>>
>>>
>>> There 2 parts to the speech platform synth and voices.
>>>
>>> One is the speech synth engine and the other is the voices.
>>>
>>>
>>> This is from off the website of mine of what to do to get them.
>>>
>>>
>>> How to install Microsoft Speech Platform and voices (free) for NVDA
>>> There are Microsoft voices that you can use with NVDA. These are called
>>> Microsoft Speech Platform Runtime Languages. Firstly, you will need the
>>> Microsoft Speech Platform to be able to run them.
>>>
>>> If you have not downloaded the Microsoft Speech Platform, it is
>>> available from the following link
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=27225
>>> You will need the x86 version of the file.
>>>
>>> If you have downloaded the Microsoft Speech Platform, you can get
>>> version 11 voices for it (called Runtime Languages) from the following
>>> link
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=27224
>>>
>>> The heading on the page should be: Microsoft Speech Platform - Runtime
>>> Languages (Version 11). If for example I wanted an English voice called
>>> Helen, I would click on one called MSSpeech_TTS_en-US_Helen.msi  Please
>>> be aware that TTS stands for text to speech, and SR stands for speech
>>> recognition. You are looking for the TTS ones. Once downloaded, double
>>> click on the file and it will automatically set up to the correct
>>> location. Go back into NVDA settings Insert + N... Preferences...
>>> Synthesizer... (In the dropdown list of synthesizers select) Microsoft
>>> Speech Platform... Tab to OK and press Enter. Go back into your settings
>>> Insert + N... Preferences... Voice settings... (under the Voice combo
>>> box) arrow down to select the voice you wish to use. Tab to OK and press
>>> Enter.  You can of course alter the rate, pitch and volume to suit your
>>> own needs.  You will need to make sure that if you have version 10.2
>>> that you use 10.2 voices, and if you get version 11 then you will need
>>> to get the version 11 voices. For version 10.2 please refer to the NVDA
>>> user manual for more information under supported synthesizers.
>>>
>>>
>>> I am just looking at the page or pages now to get the synth engine and
>>> voices.
>>>
>>>
>>> if you are unsure which ones to get i will download the engine and all
>>> the voices to my pc then zip them up and drop box them for you. or
>>> others who might be interested in installing them.
>>>
>>>
>>> I will do this shortly.
>>>
>>>
>>> by the way there is another free synth package called speechhub that you
>>> might want to use. the voices are only in english.
>>>
>>> You can get the speech hub package from the following link at
>>> http://www.speakon.org.uk/
>>>
>>> Gene nz
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/12/2016 5:28 PM, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:
>>>> Hi good people:
>>>> If you can recollect, I did send a message to this group about my NVDA
>>>> not working properly.  I did get many responses, and I thank all of
>>>> you who found time to respond.  I am sorry I mistakenly deleted the
>>>> digest mail sent to me, and I can not reply to the mail.  But I
>>>> believe some of you might remember the mail.
>>>> Actually, I got a very good response from David.  He made some
>>>> suggestions which I've tried.  I discovered when I switched off NVDa
>>>> as he suggested, and I used the demo version of JAWS for Windows, that
>>>> the system worked very nicely, and fast.
>>>> I strongly believe that the problem must be from the synthesiser I am
>>>> using.  Actually, I use Micro sofft speech AI4 which I use through
>>>> viavoice outloud.  I appear to like the synthesiser, because it is
>>>> very clear and it sounds like eloquence.  But it appears obsolete and
>>>> not very helpful.
>>>> I can't use the JAWS demo version, because it works in 40 minute mode,
>>>> and one cannot usee that when doing serious work on the computer.
>>>> I downloaded Microsoft speech version 11 but it couldn't be installed
>>>> on my system.  I did it several times but it didn't work.  i cannot
>>>> use ESpeak, because I don't understand the speech.  I tried koba
>>>> speech as well, but the speech for that is also not very easy to
>>>> comprehend.
>>>> So, can anyone suggest another  synthesiser.  I use windows 7 32bit.
>>>> I am Ibrahim from Nigeria.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

Gene
 

Well, maybe it's a good player, then.  But whatever problems it may have, if it doesn't work well on your system, trying another player would be a good idea.  We don't know if the problems you are having with the player have anything to do with NVDA.  To find out, you could test it with another screen-reader such as a JAWS demo or perhaps with Narrator.  But at this point, we don't know if NVDA is causing the problem.  There are enough other players available that are very well liked by blind people that if this player doesn't work well for whatever reason on your machine, there are plenty of alternatives. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 5:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

hi.
potplayer is a very long time thats completely accessible!
whats the different between my link and yours?
i did not test the second link but the first link which i always use,
is the website of the programmers and owners of the softwares.
potplayer preference was not accessible in its old versions via keyboard.
but now, its accessibility is realy great and even now, they put one
option for accessibility!

On 12/5/16, Jacob Kruger <jacob@...> wrote:
> Quentin, HYG:
>
> https://potplayer.daum.net/
>
>
> But, gave it a quick test run, and, my guess is that it doesn't offer
> much in t4erms of accessibility, etc. - no menu suystems that could
> activate using alt + key combo's, etc., so not sure it would be
> something I would want to work with as such.
>
>
> stay well
>
>
> Jacob Kruger
> Blind Biker
> Skype: BlindZA
> "Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
>
> On 2016-12-05 10:20, Quentin Christensen wrote:
>> Hi Nasrin,
>>
>> Is Potplayer freely available?  If so, do you have a URL please and I
>> will download and test it myself as well.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Quentin.
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 5:48 PM, nasrin khaksar
>> <nasrinkhaksar3@... <mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@...>> wrote:
>>
>>     hi quentin.
>>     i decided to stay on 2015.3 for always because in the latest versions
>>     nvda has problems with potplayer and when i press alt+f4 nvda when i
>>     press start menu says unknown and its a big issue for me.
>>     because i only use potplayer and when i open files, most of times, i
>>     should use alt+control+n to revert nvda to its normal working.
>>     15.3 until 16.2 were more stable for me.
>>     but since 16.2 and 3, sometimes nvda says nothing or becomes
>>     completely silent.
>>     in this case, i afraid of maybe my system is hacked or my windows has
>>     problems or not working properly.
>>
>>     github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues.6513its
>>     <http://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues.6513its> for potplayer and
>>     some others
>>     players and for the problem in espeak new version with farsi
>>     punctuations
>>     github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6514
>>     <http://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6514>
>>
>>     but i realy love the new features of nvda including selection of
>>     documents and impprovements in using firefox and now, i use 16.3
>>     could you please solve the problem which i mentioned in 16.4 to use
>> it
>>     without any issues?
>>     thanks extremely quentin.
>>     do you have skype account for further details and contact about
>>     different subjects?
>>
>>
>>     On 12/5/16, Gene <gsasner@... <mailto:gsasner@...>>
>> wrote:
>>     > I mainly use an old version because I don't use new NVDA
>>     features, as I said
>>     > before.  But also, I prefer the old way of using what was called
>>     Flat
>>     > Review.  I prefer always being in screen review when I activate
>>     review mode
>>     > in the old version and the automatic return to object navigation
>>     when I
>>     > switch to another window.  I could get used to the new system
>>     but since I
>>     > don't need to, I don't bother.
>>     >
>>     > Also, I don't think there is any way to import the speech
>>     dictionaries other
>>     > then to actually copy and paste the files.  I could do that
>>     easily enough
>>     > but I don't since I have no need.  But I am reminded of
>>     something regarding
>>     > the dictionaries.  I think there should be an export and an import
>>     > dictionaries item in the dictionary interface itself.
>>     >
>>     > Gene
>>     > From: Quentin Christensen
>>     > Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 5:55 PM
>>     > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>     > Subject: Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable
>>     release, and
>>     > the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > Hi Brian,
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > Essentially only the latest stable (and currently as you noted,
>>     RC) versions
>>     > of NVDA are supported, in that if we fix a bug, that fix will
>>     only go into a
>>     > new build.
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > Ideally, if someone is having a problem and finds that reverting
>>     to an
>>     > earlier build resolves the issue, we'd very much prefer they
>>     communicate
>>     > that to us via a GitHub issue, or at least here on the list or to
>> me
>>     > personally so that we can endeavour to resolve it. The current
>>     version
>>     > should still work at least as far back as Windows XP (If anyone
>>     is using
>>     > Windows 98 or earlier, I'd be curious to hear your experiences
>>     with NVDA
>>     > just for my own interest if nothing else).
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > Perhaps this thread might be a good place for anyone who is
>>     using a version
>>     > of NVDA prior to 2016.3, to share why that is? I can ensure that
>>     any issues
>>     > are recorded on GitHub, but I'd also be able to compile a list
>>     that I can
>>     > take back to Mick and Jamie and say "these are issues that are
>>     currently
>>     > keeping users on old versions of NVDA".
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > Kind regards
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > Quentin.
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 9:23 AM, Brian Vogel
>>     <britechguy@... <mailto:britechguy@...>> wrote:
>>     >
>>     >   The subject pretty much asks it all.
>>     >
>>     >   In topic after topic I see people saying that they're using
>>     old, often
>>     > really old, versions of NVDA.  That is entirely their choice,
>>     and I'm not
>>     > questioning that.
>>     >
>>     >   What I'd like to know is how many versions, if any, other than
>>     the latest
>>     > stable release and the RC releases, are "officially" supported
>>     by NVAccess.
>>     >
>>     >   Knowing how much change occurs as releases roll out over time
>>     I know it's
>>     > impossible to keep supporting prior releases in perpetuity or
>>     anything close
>>     > to it.  I also know that it generally makes no sense to try to
>>     replicate a
>>     > bug in a release different than the one it's been detected in
>>     except as an
>>     > effort to determine if it is a "carry forward" that was previously
>>     > undetected versus newly introduced.
>>     >
>>     >   It's almost impossible to know "what's what" unless
>>     individuals using NVDA
>>     > are all using the latest stable version so far as issue
>>     reporting goes.
>>     > That's why, particularly for open-source software, I make it a
>>     habit to
>>     > religiously upgrade to the latest release whether I need the
>>     latest "bells
>>     > and whistles" or not.  Unless there is some really buggy release
>>     (and I'm
>>     > talking generally, not NVDA in particular) it just makes
>>     everyone's lives
>>     > much easier.
>>     >   --
>>     >   Brian
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >   Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is
>>     complete.  If
>>     > you’re alive, it isn’t.
>>     >
>>     >       ~ Lauren Bacall
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > --
>>     >
>>     > Quentin Christensen
>>     > Training Material Developer
>>     > Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
>>     available:
>>     > http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
>>     > Direct: +61 413 904 383 <tel:%2B61%20413%20904%20383>
>>     > www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org>
>>     > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>>     <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>
>>     > Twitter: @NVAccess
>>     >
>>     >
>>
>>
>>     --
>>     we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>>     holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>>     in the very authentic narration is:
>>     imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>>     best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>>     al-islam.org <http://al-islam.org>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Quentin Christensen
>> Training Material Developer
>> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
>> available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>
>> Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
>> Direct: +61 413 904 383
>> www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>>
>
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org