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thunder bird 64 bit

Bobby <bvinton@...>
 

Hay I was wondering if thunder bird comes in a 64 bit version and I was also wondering ware to get it because I only have the 32 bit.


Re: Braille Display and NVDA

J.G
 

I think it is the easyest and the cheapest option. Protocol converter costs you about 600€ and compatibility with NVDA, as I found, is not garanted.


Re: My NVDA Not Working Properly

 

how many percentage of the given voices are freeware?

On 12/5/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:
No that is right. The problem is that many have had the licence over time,
so strictly some that were free are now no longer supposed to be available.

I suppose the main one people will still find on line is Via Voice from the

old IBM Home page reader. However this is as far as I'm aware sappi 4 and
only around in a limited number of us English voices in any case.

Its not strictly legal unless you had the original product, so its hard to
advise any further. We certainly do not suggest using it as the later
versions which also include some very nice new voices is value for money I
think. I myself am happy with Espeak and some of the \Microsoft voices and
some others that I have on a disc from Dolphin which are paid for and work

well.

None of those is classic Eloquence though. To me it sounds like a bloke with

a clothes peg on his nose, but I do understand some people find this very
easy to understand. Horses for courses and all that, but you won't get
anyone here to point you at a hacked version of it.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] My NVDA Not Working Properly


No legal version of Eloquence is free. Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 6:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] My NVDA Not Working Properly


hi.
which version of eloquence is free here?
i went to the different links and found different versions of eloquence.

On 12/5/16, Bobby <bvinton@...> wrote:
Well you can get the sapi voices at www.grossgang.com. a guy named Jake
gross has many voices including mike and Mary voices it under the tts
link on the page.


On 12/5/2016 4:19 aM, David wrote:
Am I mistaken here, or does NVDA support SAPI voices? Smiles.

Microsoft used to have a SAPI package which came in both SAPI4 and SAPI5
versions. It contained MS Mike, and MS Mary. Personally, I prefered the
quality of the speech, produced by the Sapi4 version. They were free,
and
installed under at least XP, I do hold they should work under newer
flavors of Windows as well, though I cannot tell for sure.

I could dig out the installer from my archives, but you might also want
to
do a net search for something like:
Mircrosoft voice Mike installer
or,
Microsoft voice Mike download
and see if you can find the package somewhere.

What I do recall, is that you downloaded an installer file, ran it,
restarted your system, and the voices would be ready for use, under the
SAPI tab of your screen reader voice selection. I seem to remember using
Mary, with an early version of NVDA. Unless something deep inside the
NVDA
core has changed, I would say it should still work.

Though being SAPI, the voices were OK responsive, and the quality was a
good deal more natural sounding, than many of the ESpeak voices. I even
used the Mike and Mary, to read several EBooks.

Just thought it might be one alternative to try out. At least it is
free,
so if you don't find it useful, you could always uninstall the package,
and you would have lost nothing.
David



On 12/5/2016 8:25 AM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
Hi Ibrahim


There 2 parts to the speech platform synth and voices.

One is the speech synth engine and the other is the voices.


This is from off the website of mine of what to do to get them.


How to install Microsoft Speech Platform and voices (free) for NVDA
There are Microsoft voices that you can use with NVDA. These are called
Microsoft Speech Platform Runtime Languages. Firstly, you will need the
Microsoft Speech Platform to be able to run them.

If you have not downloaded the Microsoft Speech Platform, it is
available from the following link
http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=27225
You will need the x86 version of the file.

If you have downloaded the Microsoft Speech Platform, you can get
version 11 voices for it (called Runtime Languages) from the following
link
http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=27224

The heading on the page should be: Microsoft Speech Platform - Runtime
Languages (Version 11). If for example I wanted an English voice called
Helen, I would click on one called MSSpeech_TTS_en-US_Helen.msi Please
be aware that TTS stands for text to speech, and SR stands for speech
recognition. You are looking for the TTS ones. Once downloaded, double
click on the file and it will automatically set up to the correct
location. Go back into NVDA settings Insert + N... Preferences...
Synthesizer... (In the dropdown list of synthesizers select) Microsoft
Speech Platform... Tab to OK and press Enter. Go back into your
settings
Insert + N... Preferences... Voice settings... (under the Voice combo
box) arrow down to select the voice you wish to use. Tab to OK and
press
Enter. You can of course alter the rate, pitch and volume to suit your
own needs. You will need to make sure that if you have version 10.2
that you use 10.2 voices, and if you get version 11 then you will need
to get the version 11 voices. For version 10.2 please refer to the NVDA
user manual for more information under supported synthesizers.


I am just looking at the page or pages now to get the synth engine and
voices.


if you are unsure which ones to get i will download the engine and all
the voices to my pc then zip them up and drop box them for you. or
others who might be interested in installing them.


I will do this shortly.


by the way there is another free synth package called speechhub that
you
might want to use. the voices are only in english.

You can get the speech hub package from the following link at
http://www.speakon.org.uk/

Gene nz




On 5/12/2016 5:28 PM, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:
Hi good people:
If you can recollect, I did send a message to this group about my NVDA
not working properly. I did get many responses, and I thank all of
you who found time to respond. I am sorry I mistakenly deleted the
digest mail sent to me, and I can not reply to the mail. But I
believe some of you might remember the mail.
Actually, I got a very good response from David. He made some
suggestions which I've tried. I discovered when I switched off NVDa
as he suggested, and I used the demo version of JAWS for Windows, that
the system worked very nicely, and fast.
I strongly believe that the problem must be from the synthesiser I am
using. Actually, I use Micro sofft speech AI4 which I use through
viavoice outloud. I appear to like the synthesiser, because it is
very clear and it sounds like eloquence. But it appears obsolete and
not very helpful.
I can't use the JAWS demo version, because it works in 40 minute mode,
and one cannot usee that when doing serious work on the computer.
I downloaded Microsoft speech version 11 but it couldn't be installed
on my system. I did it several times but it didn't work. i cannot
use ESpeak, because I don't understand the speech. I tried koba
speech as well, but the speech for that is also not very easy to
comprehend.
So, can anyone suggest another synthesiser. I use windows 7 32bit.
I am Ibrahim from Nigeria.







--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

 

Hi,

About the program in question: can someone using Windows Vista or 7 try duplicating the issue at hand? Also, as Brian mentioned, it would be helpful if the issue reporter tell us if any accessibility options are checked and what not (if you told the player to use UIA and if you are using Windows XP, then please don’t do that, as UIA in XP is unreliable).

As for older Windows releases: Windows 9x isn’t supported because Visual Studio compiler will not generate code for it.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, December 5, 2016 8:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

 

Well, this thread has taken an interesting turn that I hadn't ever anticipated (and, to quote Seinfeld, "not that there's anything wrong with that.")

So I'll use this to get back on my soapbox about when anyone encounters an issue with any software or combination of software:

  • if you cannot give steps necessary to replicate the problem there's virtually no hope that the problem can or will be solved
  • if you can give steps necessary to replicate the problem, but others running the same operating system and similar overall configuration that you are don't have it when they perform those steps, this suggests an idiosyncratic problem with your own system

I cannot count the number of times when I've spent hours on a given problem only to find out that it was a weird interaction between two programs that are installed, that a system has not been updated and old DLL files are being called that have errors that have long ago been fixed, etc.

I'm not saying that anyone is directly "at fault" for anything, but these are factors that you must consider and there will be occasions when "it's just you" as well as many more when it's "not just you."  Having a detective's mindset is essential in instances such as this.
--
Brian

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.

    ~ Lauren Bacall

    

 


Re: Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

 

gene.
thanks so much for helping me to test the program.
i dont have any screen reader except nvda to test.
me too, use windows xp service pack 3
you dont need to use nvda cursors to intract with potplayer menus.
you should only press the application keys and you can access to all
menus and options by normal arrow keys.
only nvda freezes and says nothing in the windows except unknown.
i should restart nvda to work as normal.

On 12/5/16, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
Well, this thread has taken an interesting turn that I hadn't ever
anticipated (and, to quote Seinfeld, "not that there's anything wrong with
that.")

So I'll use this to get back on my soapbox about when anyone encounters an
issue with any software or combination of software:

* if you cannot give steps necessary to replicate the problem there's
virtually no hope that the problem can or will be solved
* if you can give steps necessary to replicate the problem, but others
running the same operating system and similar overall configuration that you
are don't have it when they perform those steps, this suggests an
idiosyncratic problem with your own system

I cannot count the number of times when I've spent hours on a given problem
only to find out that it was a weird interaction between two programs that
are installed, that a system has not been updated and old DLL files are
being called that have errors that have long ago been fixed, etc.

I'm not saying that anyone is directly "at fault" for anything, but these
are factors that you must consider and there will be occasions when "it's
just you" as well as many more when it's "not just you."  Having a
detective's mindset is essential in instances such as this.
--
*Brian*

*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If
you’re alive, it isn’t.*

   ~ Lauren Bacall
--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: Fixing my e-mail display name issue.

Antony Stone
 

That's not what I see. Your emails are coming from "Christopher-Mark Gilland"
<@AHeart4God316>

So, they are at least appearing on the list correctly. Sorry I can't advise
on how to get Thunderbird to show you that.

It sounds like it's simply showing you the recipient address instead of the
sender address. Do you see other senders' addresses correctly?

Antony.

On Monday 05 December 2016 at 17:17:13, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

I have no idea why, but at least on my end, I'm seeing that my messages
I send this list with Thunderbird are showing up as coming from
NVDA@NVDA.groups.io rather than saying from Christopher-Mark Gilland.

Does anyone have any idea how in Thunderbird I can fix/troubleshoot this
problem?


Chris.
--
Douglas was one of those writers who honourably failed to get anywhere with
'weekending'. It put a premium on people who could write things that lasted
thirty seconds, and Douglas was incapable of writing a single sentence that
lasted less than thirty seconds.

- Geoffrey Perkins, about Douglas Adams

Please reply to the list;
please *don't* CC me.


Fixing my e-mail display name issue.

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

I have no idea why, but at least on my end, I'm seeing that my messages I send this list with Thunderbird are showing up as coming from NVDA@NVDA.groups.io rather than saying from Christopher-Mark Gilland.


Does anyone have any idea how in Thunderbird I can fix/troubleshoot this problem?


Chris.


Re: Braille Display and NVDA

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

OK, so there is no way at all to get this working with USB? I can try getting the necessary hardware, don't get me wrong, but is this the only way it'll work is with serial?


Chris.



On 12/5/2016 11:12 AM, J.G wrote:

here:


http://www.brltty.com/archive.html


search brltty 4.5 - it is the latest of versions 4. You must find a windows "zip" archive or binary "exe" file. it is not important which exe you would choose, because you must not install libusb32 or libusb 1.0 drivers and filters. When asked you would choose an alva Satellite as a display and as port you would choose serial and appropriate number of it.



NVDA Paid Tutorials?

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

I asked this earlier, but I'm wonderring if my message made it to the list, as my E-mail client was being really dumb at that time.


I'm very very interested in purchasing the audio tutorials which were done for NVDA. I speak not of the ones for Microsoft Word, which are like, $30. I'm talking about the ones which were made specifically for the opperation of NVDA itself.


I tried Googling, but I'm not having a whole lot of luck.


Can someone give me a link to get more information, and make a purchase?


Chris.


Re: Braille Display and NVDA

J.G
 

here:


http://www.brltty.com/archive.html


search brltty 4.5 - it is the latest of versions 4. You must find a windows "zip" archive or binary "exe" file. it is not important which exe you would choose, because you must not install libusb32 or libusb 1.0 drivers and filters. When asked you would choose an alva Satellite as a display and as port you would choose serial and appropriate number of it.


Re: Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

 

Well, this thread has taken an interesting turn that I hadn't ever anticipated (and, to quote Seinfeld, "not that there's anything wrong with that.")

So I'll use this to get back on my soapbox about when anyone encounters an issue with any software or combination of software:

  • if you cannot give steps necessary to replicate the problem there's virtually no hope that the problem can or will be solved
  • if you can give steps necessary to replicate the problem, but others running the same operating system and similar overall configuration that you are don't have it when they perform those steps, this suggests an idiosyncratic problem with your own system

I cannot count the number of times when I've spent hours on a given problem only to find out that it was a weird interaction between two programs that are installed, that a system has not been updated and old DLL files are being called that have errors that have long ago been fixed, etc.

I'm not saying that anyone is directly "at fault" for anything, but these are factors that you must consider and there will be occasions when "it's just you" as well as many more when it's "not just you."  Having a detective's mindset is essential in instances such as this.
--
Brian

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.

    ~ Lauren Bacall

    



Re: Braille Display and NVDA

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

OK, where does one obtain version 4?


Chris.



On 12/5/2016 10:36 AM, J.G wrote:

Hi,

Since I used An Alva Satellite product, I found, that the best solution is NVDA and properly configured brltty version 4.x not 5. When I tried to use a protocol converter, NVDA said "could not load a BC6 display."

I recommend you to buy a power cable and if you have not serial port on your computer, buy a usb to serial converter and use brltty.

regards, Jožef

p.s. if anyone find a solution on how to use a protocol converter with NVDA it will be very appretiated.



Re: Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

Gene
 

Also, I didn't test with another screen-reader to see if my system would freeze.  I doubt NVDA had anything to do with these freezes.  But I didn't test to find out. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

I was curious and I tried it.  I don't know how this varies from version to version.  I assume I downloaded the latest version.  I used the program download page.  this version was quite inaccessible, at least out of the box.  No menus were opened with the alt key.  The screen could not be read, at least not by the old version of NVDA I tested it with.  Neither screen review keys nor flat review nor moving by object navigation nor NVDA key b read the screen.  I experimented and opened a file and caused it to play.  Guess what happened?  When I stopped play, my whole system froze.  I had to reboot.  I tried again and the same thing happened.  I tested with Windows XP service pack 3.  I don't know how the player runs on later versions of Windows but on my system, that is what happened.
 
Also, the program automatically associated itself with at least mp3 files.  I didn't test others.  It probably made itself the default player for everything it could play.  Either it didn't give me an option about this or the option wasn't read when it was presented. 
 
You said that NVDA freezes.  Was it NVDA or your entire system.  Loss of speech in and of itself doesn't mean NVDA froze.  Did you have to reboot? 
 
Of course, these are just my experiences and others may have different experiences.  But based on what you report and on my experiences with this one machine, I am skeptical that the program runs regularly in XP. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

gene,
did you try potplayer to see that do you observe my problem too?
i realy wish thats fixed.
also, i am waiting for the comment of quentin in this regard.
did you test it quentin to see the result?

On 12/5/16, Governor staten <govsta@...> wrote:
> VLC is accessible. It can do everything, and then some.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> On 12/5/2016 9:57 AM, Gene wrote:
>> I saw your description of your problem here just a bit ago.  As I
>> said, we don't know if this is an issue that is generally a problem or
>> just on your machine for some reason.  We may or may not get enough
>> reports from other users to determine that.
>> As far as your dissatisfaction with other players is concerned,
>> discussing what you particularly like about PotPlayer may be useful.
>> It may allow you to get information from others about other players
>> that do what you want, assuming such players are accessible.  Given
>> the wide variety of players, I wouldn't be surprised if there are.
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* nasrin khaksar <mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@...>
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 05, 2016 8:49 AM
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable
>> release, and the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease
>>
>> gene,
>> i tried many players and was not satisfied with any of them except
>> potplayer!
>> i tried more than 30 players and potplayer is the best!
>> many websites confirm this.
>> did you try to see nvda is unresponsive when you close files with
>> potplayer?
>> i wish that my problem becomes solved at least in nvda 2016.4
>> did you read my issue 6513 on github?
>>
>> On 12/5/16, Gene <gsasner@... <mailto:gsasner@...>> wrote:
>> > Well, maybe it's a good player, then.  But whatever problems it may
>> have, if
>> > it doesn't work well on your system, trying another player would be
>> a good
>> > idea.  We don't know if the problems you are having with the player
>> > have
>> > anything to do with NVDA.  To find out, you could test it with another
>> > screen-reader such as a JAWS demo or perhaps with Narrator. But at this
>> > point, we don't know if NVDA is causing the problem.  There are
>> enough other
>> > players available that are very well liked by blind people that if this
>> > player doesn't work well for whatever reason on your machine, there are
>> > plenty of alternatives.
>> >
>> > Gene
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >
>> > From: nasrin khaksar
>> > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 5:37 AM
>> > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> > Subject: Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable
>> release, and
>> > the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease
>> >
>> >
>> > hi.
>> > potplayer is a very long time thats completely accessible!
>> > whats the different between my link and yours?
>> > i did not test the second link but the first link which i always use,
>> > is the website of the programmers and owners of the softwares.
>> > potplayer preference was not accessible in its old versions via
>> keyboard.
>> > but now, its accessibility is realy great and even now, they put one
>> > option for accessibility!
>> >
>> > On 12/5/16, Jacob Kruger <jacob@...
>> <mailto:jacob@...>> wrote:
>> >> Quentin, HYG:
>> >>
>> >> https://potplayer.daum.net/
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> But, gave it a quick test run, and, my guess is that it doesn't offer
>> >> much in t4erms of accessibility, etc. - no menu suystems that could
>> >> activate using alt + key combo's, etc., so not sure it would be
>> >> something I would want to work with as such.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> stay well
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Jacob Kruger
>> >> Blind Biker
>> >> Skype: BlindZA
>> >> "Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
>> >>
>> >> On 2016-12-05 10:20, Quentin Christensen wrote:
>> >>> Hi Nasrin,
>> >>>
>> >>> Is Potplayer freely available?  If so, do you have a URL please and I
>> >>> will download and test it myself as well.
>> >>>
>> >>> Kind regards
>> >>>
>> >>> Quentin.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 5:48 PM, nasrin khaksar
>> >>> <nasrinkhaksar3@... <mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@...>
>> <mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@...>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>     hi quentin.
>> >>>     i decided to stay on 2015.3 for always because in the latest
>> >>> versions
>> >>>     nvda has problems with potplayer and when i press alt+f4 nvda
>> when i
>> >>>     press start menu says unknown and its a big issue for me.
>> >>>     because i only use potplayer and when i open files, most of
>> times, i
>> >>>     should use alt+control+n to revert nvda to its normal working.
>> >>>     15.3 until 16.2 were more stable for me.
>> >>>     but since 16.2 and 3, sometimes nvda says nothing or becomes
>> >>>     completely silent.
>> >>>     in this case, i afraid of maybe my system is hacked or my windows
>> >>> has
>> >>>     problems or not working properly.
>> >>>
>> >>>     github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues.6513its
>> >>>     <http://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues.6513its> for potplayer
>> >>> and
>> >>>     some others
>> >>>     players and for the problem in espeak new version with farsi
>> >>>     punctuations
>> >>>     github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6514
>> >>>     <http://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6514>
>> >>>
>> >>>     but i realy love the new features of nvda including selection of
>> >>>     documents and impprovements in using firefox and now, i use 16.3
>> >>>     could you please solve the problem which i mentioned in 16.4
>> to use
>> >>> it
>> >>>     without any issues?
>> >>>     thanks extremely quentin.
>> >>>     do you have skype account for further details and contact about
>> >>>     different subjects?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>     On 12/5/16, Gene <gsasner@... <mailto:gsasner@...>
>> <mailto:gsasner@...>>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>     > I mainly use an old version because I don't use new NVDA
>> >>>     features, as I said
>> >>>     > before.  But also, I prefer the old way of using what was
>> >>> called
>> >>>     Flat
>> >>>     > Review.  I prefer always being in screen review when I activate
>> >>>     review mode
>> >>>     > in the old version and the automatic return to object
>> >>> navigation
>> >>>     when I
>> >>>     > switch to another window.  I could get used to the new system
>> >>>     but since I
>> >>>     > don't need to, I don't bother.
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     > Also, I don't think there is any way to import the speech
>> >>>     dictionaries other
>> >>>     > then to actually copy and paste the files. I could do that
>> >>>     easily enough
>> >>>     > but I don't since I have no need.  But I am reminded of
>> >>>     something regarding
>> >>>     > the dictionaries.  I think there should be an export and an
>> import
>> >>>     > dictionaries item in the dictionary interface itself.
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     > Gene
>> >>>     > From: Quentin Christensen
>> >>>     > Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 5:55 PM
>> >>>     > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> >>>     > Subject: Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable
>> >>>     release, and
>> >>>     > the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     > Hi Brian,
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     > Essentially only the latest stable (and currently as you noted,
>> >>>     RC) versions
>> >>>     > of NVDA are supported, in that if we fix a bug, that fix will
>> >>>     only go into a
>> >>>     > new build.
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     > Ideally, if someone is having a problem and finds that
>> >>> reverting
>> >>>     to an
>> >>>     > earlier build resolves the issue, we'd very much prefer they
>> >>>     communicate
>> >>>     > that to us via a GitHub issue, or at least here on the list
>> or to
>> >>> me
>> >>>     > personally so that we can endeavour to resolve it. The current
>> >>>     version
>> >>>     > should still work at least as far back as Windows XP (If anyone
>> >>>     is using
>> >>>     > Windows 98 or earlier, I'd be curious to hear your experiences
>> >>>     with NVDA
>> >>>     > just for my own interest if nothing else).
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     > Perhaps this thread might be a good place for anyone who is
>> >>>     using a version
>> >>>     > of NVDA prior to 2016.3, to share why that is? I can ensure
>> >>> that
>> >>>     any issues
>> >>>     > are recorded on GitHub, but I'd also be able to compile a list
>> >>>     that I can
>> >>>     > take back to Mick and Jamie and say "these are issues that are
>> >>>     currently
>> >>>     > keeping users on old versions of NVDA".
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     > Kind regards
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     > Quentin.
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     > On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 9:23 AM, Brian Vogel
>> >>>     <britechguy@... <mailto:britechguy@...>
>> <mailto:britechguy@...>> wrote:
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >   The subject pretty much asks it all.
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >   In topic after topic I see people saying that they're using
>> >>>     old, often
>> >>>     > really old, versions of NVDA.  That is entirely their choice,
>> >>>     and I'm not
>> >>>     > questioning that.
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >   What I'd like to know is how many versions, if any, other
>> >>> than
>> >>>     the latest
>> >>>     > stable release and the RC releases, are "officially" supported
>> >>>     by NVAccess.
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >   Knowing how much change occurs as releases roll out over time
>> >>>     I know it's
>> >>>     > impossible to keep supporting prior releases in perpetuity or
>> >>>     anything close
>> >>>     > to it.  I also know that it generally makes no sense to try to
>> >>>     replicate a
>> >>>     > bug in a release different than the one it's been detected in
>> >>>     except as an
>> >>>     > effort to determine if it is a "carry forward" that was
>> previously
>> >>>     > undetected versus newly introduced.
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >   It's almost impossible to know "what's what" unless
>> >>>     individuals using NVDA
>> >>>     > are all using the latest stable version so far as issue
>> >>>     reporting goes.
>> >>>     > That's why, particularly for open-source software, I make it a
>> >>>     habit to
>> >>>     > religiously upgrade to the latest release whether I need the
>> >>>     latest "bells
>> >>>     > and whistles" or not.  Unless there is some really buggy
>> >>> release
>> >>>     (and I'm
>> >>>     > talking generally, not NVDA in particular) it just makes
>> >>>     everyone's lives
>> >>>     > much easier.
>> >>>     >   --
>> >>>     >   Brian
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >   Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is
>> >>>     complete.  If
>> >>>     > you’re alive, it isn’t.
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >       ~ Lauren Bacall
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     > --
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     > Quentin Christensen
>> >>>     > Training Material Developer
>> >>>     > Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
>> >>>     available:
>> >>>     > http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     > Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
>> >>>     > Direct: +61 413 904 383 <tel:%2B61%20413%20904%20383>
>> >>>     > www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org>
>> <http://www.nvaccess.org>
>> >>>     > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>> >>>     <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>
>> >>>     > Twitter: @NVAccess
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>     --
>> >>>     we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>> >>>     holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>> >>>     in the very authentic narration is:
>> >>>     imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>> >>>     best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>> >>>     al-islam.org <http://al-islam.org>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Quentin Christensen
>> >>> Training Material Developer
>> >>> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
>> >>> available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>> >>>
>> >>> Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
>> >>> Direct: +61 413 904 383
>> >>> www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org> <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
>> >>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>> >>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>> > holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>> > in the very authentic narration is:
>> > imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>> > best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>> > al-islam.org
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>> in the very authentic narration is:
>> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>> al-islam.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




Re: Braille Display and NVDA

J.G
 

It is a hardware, which presents Satellite or Voyager display to screen readers as BC6 series display. and as I know, Optelec has ended to support this hardware a year or two ago.


Re: Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

Gene
 

I was curious and I tried it.  I don't know how this varies from version to version.  I assume I downloaded the latest version.  I used the program download page.  this version was quite inaccessible, at least out of the box.  No menus were opened with the alt key.  The screen could not be read, at least not by the old version of NVDA I tested it with.  Neither screen review keys nor flat review nor moving by object navigation nor NVDA key b read the screen.  I experimented and opened a file and caused it to play.  Guess what happened?  When I stopped play, my whole system froze.  I had to reboot.  I tried again and the same thing happened.  I tested with Windows XP service pack 3.  I don't know how the player runs on later versions of Windows but on my system, that is what happened.
 
Also, the program automatically associated itself with at least mp3 files.  I didn't test others.  It probably made itself the default player for everything it could play.  Either it didn't give me an option about this or the option wasn't read when it was presented. 
 
You said that NVDA freezes.  Was it NVDA or your entire system.  Loss of speech in and of itself doesn't mean NVDA froze.  Did you have to reboot? 
 
Of course, these are just my experiences and others may have different experiences.  But based on what you report and on my experiences with this one machine, I am skeptical that the program runs regularly in XP. 
 

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

gene,
did you try potplayer to see that do you observe my problem too?
i realy wish thats fixed.
also, i am waiting for the comment of quentin in this regard.
did you test it quentin to see the result?

On 12/5/16, Governor staten <govsta@...> wrote:
> VLC is accessible. It can do everything, and then some.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> On 12/5/2016 9:57 AM, Gene wrote:
>> I saw your description of your problem here just a bit ago.  As I
>> said, we don't know if this is an issue that is generally a problem or
>> just on your machine for some reason.  We may or may not get enough
>> reports from other users to determine that.
>> As far as your dissatisfaction with other players is concerned,
>> discussing what you particularly like about PotPlayer may be useful.
>> It may allow you to get information from others about other players
>> that do what you want, assuming such players are accessible.  Given
>> the wide variety of players, I wouldn't be surprised if there are.
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* nasrin khaksar <mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@...>
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 05, 2016 8:49 AM
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable
>> release, and the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease
>>
>> gene,
>> i tried many players and was not satisfied with any of them except
>> potplayer!
>> i tried more than 30 players and potplayer is the best!
>> many websites confirm this.
>> did you try to see nvda is unresponsive when you close files with
>> potplayer?
>> i wish that my problem becomes solved at least in nvda 2016.4
>> did you read my issue 6513 on github?
>>
>> On 12/5/16, Gene <gsasner@... <mailto:gsasner@...>> wrote:
>> > Well, maybe it's a good player, then.  But whatever problems it may
>> have, if
>> > it doesn't work well on your system, trying another player would be
>> a good
>> > idea.  We don't know if the problems you are having with the player
>> > have
>> > anything to do with NVDA.  To find out, you could test it with another
>> > screen-reader such as a JAWS demo or perhaps with Narrator. But at this
>> > point, we don't know if NVDA is causing the problem.  There are
>> enough other
>> > players available that are very well liked by blind people that if this
>> > player doesn't work well for whatever reason on your machine, there are
>> > plenty of alternatives.
>> >
>> > Gene
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >
>> > From: nasrin khaksar
>> > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 5:37 AM
>> > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> > Subject: Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable
>> release, and
>> > the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease
>> >
>> >
>> > hi.
>> > potplayer is a very long time thats completely accessible!
>> > whats the different between my link and yours?
>> > i did not test the second link but the first link which i always use,
>> > is the website of the programmers and owners of the softwares.
>> > potplayer preference was not accessible in its old versions via
>> keyboard.
>> > but now, its accessibility is realy great and even now, they put one
>> > option for accessibility!
>> >
>> > On 12/5/16, Jacob Kruger <jacob@...
>> <mailto:jacob@...>> wrote:
>> >> Quentin, HYG:
>> >>
>> >> https://potplayer.daum.net/
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> But, gave it a quick test run, and, my guess is that it doesn't offer
>> >> much in t4erms of accessibility, etc. - no menu suystems that could
>> >> activate using alt + key combo's, etc., so not sure it would be
>> >> something I would want to work with as such.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> stay well
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Jacob Kruger
>> >> Blind Biker
>> >> Skype: BlindZA
>> >> "Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
>> >>
>> >> On 2016-12-05 10:20, Quentin Christensen wrote:
>> >>> Hi Nasrin,
>> >>>
>> >>> Is Potplayer freely available?  If so, do you have a URL please and I
>> >>> will download and test it myself as well.
>> >>>
>> >>> Kind regards
>> >>>
>> >>> Quentin.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 5:48 PM, nasrin khaksar
>> >>> <nasrinkhaksar3@... <mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@...>
>> <mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@...>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>     hi quentin.
>> >>>     i decided to stay on 2015.3 for always because in the latest
>> >>> versions
>> >>>     nvda has problems with potplayer and when i press alt+f4 nvda
>> when i
>> >>>     press start menu says unknown and its a big issue for me.
>> >>>     because i only use potplayer and when i open files, most of
>> times, i
>> >>>     should use alt+control+n to revert nvda to its normal working.
>> >>>     15.3 until 16.2 were more stable for me.
>> >>>     but since 16.2 and 3, sometimes nvda says nothing or becomes
>> >>>     completely silent.
>> >>>     in this case, i afraid of maybe my system is hacked or my windows
>> >>> has
>> >>>     problems or not working properly.
>> >>>
>> >>>     github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues.6513its
>> >>>     <http://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues.6513its> for potplayer
>> >>> and
>> >>>     some others
>> >>>     players and for the problem in espeak new version with farsi
>> >>>     punctuations
>> >>>     github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6514
>> >>>     <http://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6514>
>> >>>
>> >>>     but i realy love the new features of nvda including selection of
>> >>>     documents and impprovements in using firefox and now, i use 16.3
>> >>>     could you please solve the problem which i mentioned in 16.4
>> to use
>> >>> it
>> >>>     without any issues?
>> >>>     thanks extremely quentin.
>> >>>     do you have skype account for further details and contact about
>> >>>     different subjects?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>     On 12/5/16, Gene <gsasner@... <mailto:gsasner@...>
>> <mailto:gsasner@...>>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>     > I mainly use an old version because I don't use new NVDA
>> >>>     features, as I said
>> >>>     > before.  But also, I prefer the old way of using what was
>> >>> called
>> >>>     Flat
>> >>>     > Review.  I prefer always being in screen review when I activate
>> >>>     review mode
>> >>>     > in the old version and the automatic return to object
>> >>> navigation
>> >>>     when I
>> >>>     > switch to another window.  I could get used to the new system
>> >>>     but since I
>> >>>     > don't need to, I don't bother.
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     > Also, I don't think there is any way to import the speech
>> >>>     dictionaries other
>> >>>     > then to actually copy and paste the files. I could do that
>> >>>     easily enough
>> >>>     > but I don't since I have no need.  But I am reminded of
>> >>>     something regarding
>> >>>     > the dictionaries.  I think there should be an export and an
>> import
>> >>>     > dictionaries item in the dictionary interface itself.
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     > Gene
>> >>>     > From: Quentin Christensen
>> >>>     > Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 5:55 PM
>> >>>     > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> >>>     > Subject: Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable
>> >>>     release, and
>> >>>     > the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     > Hi Brian,
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     > Essentially only the latest stable (and currently as you noted,
>> >>>     RC) versions
>> >>>     > of NVDA are supported, in that if we fix a bug, that fix will
>> >>>     only go into a
>> >>>     > new build.
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     > Ideally, if someone is having a problem and finds that
>> >>> reverting
>> >>>     to an
>> >>>     > earlier build resolves the issue, we'd very much prefer they
>> >>>     communicate
>> >>>     > that to us via a GitHub issue, or at least here on the list
>> or to
>> >>> me
>> >>>     > personally so that we can endeavour to resolve it. The current
>> >>>     version
>> >>>     > should still work at least as far back as Windows XP (If anyone
>> >>>     is using
>> >>>     > Windows 98 or earlier, I'd be curious to hear your experiences
>> >>>     with NVDA
>> >>>     > just for my own interest if nothing else).
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     > Perhaps this thread might be a good place for anyone who is
>> >>>     using a version
>> >>>     > of NVDA prior to 2016.3, to share why that is? I can ensure
>> >>> that
>> >>>     any issues
>> >>>     > are recorded on GitHub, but I'd also be able to compile a list
>> >>>     that I can
>> >>>     > take back to Mick and Jamie and say "these are issues that are
>> >>>     currently
>> >>>     > keeping users on old versions of NVDA".
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     > Kind regards
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     > Quentin.
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     > On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 9:23 AM, Brian Vogel
>> >>>     <britechguy@... <mailto:britechguy@...>
>> <mailto:britechguy@...>> wrote:
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >   The subject pretty much asks it all.
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >   In topic after topic I see people saying that they're using
>> >>>     old, often
>> >>>     > really old, versions of NVDA.  That is entirely their choice,
>> >>>     and I'm not
>> >>>     > questioning that.
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >   What I'd like to know is how many versions, if any, other
>> >>> than
>> >>>     the latest
>> >>>     > stable release and the RC releases, are "officially" supported
>> >>>     by NVAccess.
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >   Knowing how much change occurs as releases roll out over time
>> >>>     I know it's
>> >>>     > impossible to keep supporting prior releases in perpetuity or
>> >>>     anything close
>> >>>     > to it.  I also know that it generally makes no sense to try to
>> >>>     replicate a
>> >>>     > bug in a release different than the one it's been detected in
>> >>>     except as an
>> >>>     > effort to determine if it is a "carry forward" that was
>> previously
>> >>>     > undetected versus newly introduced.
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >   It's almost impossible to know "what's what" unless
>> >>>     individuals using NVDA
>> >>>     > are all using the latest stable version so far as issue
>> >>>     reporting goes.
>> >>>     > That's why, particularly for open-source software, I make it a
>> >>>     habit to
>> >>>     > religiously upgrade to the latest release whether I need the
>> >>>     latest "bells
>> >>>     > and whistles" or not.  Unless there is some really buggy
>> >>> release
>> >>>     (and I'm
>> >>>     > talking generally, not NVDA in particular) it just makes
>> >>>     everyone's lives
>> >>>     > much easier.
>> >>>     >   --
>> >>>     >   Brian
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >   Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is
>> >>>     complete.  If
>> >>>     > you’re alive, it isn’t.
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >       ~ Lauren Bacall
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     > --
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     > Quentin Christensen
>> >>>     > Training Material Developer
>> >>>     > Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
>> >>>     available:
>> >>>     > http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     > Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
>> >>>     > Direct: +61 413 904 383 <tel:%2B61%20413%20904%20383>
>> >>>     > www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org>
>> <http://www.nvaccess.org>
>> >>>     > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>> >>>     <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>
>> >>>     > Twitter: @NVAccess
>> >>>     >
>> >>>     >
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>     --
>> >>>     we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>> >>>     holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>> >>>     in the very authentic narration is:
>> >>>     imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>> >>>     best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>> >>>     al-islam.org <http://al-islam.org>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Quentin Christensen
>> >>> Training Material Developer
>> >>> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
>> >>> available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>> >>>
>> >>> Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
>> >>> Direct: +61 413 904 383
>> >>> www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org> <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
>> >>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>> >>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>> > holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>> > in the very authentic narration is:
>> > imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>> > best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>> > al-islam.org
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>> in the very authentic narration is:
>> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>> al-islam.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




Re: Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Judging by the fact that very few blind people seem to be using this player, one suspects there are access issues with it. Normally any good accessible player is very popular and mentioned everywhere. Winamp I use because it, well works. I find vlc just a little bit clunky but works OK and has perhaps more inbuilt codecs than most.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease


gene,
did you try potplayer to see that do you observe my problem too?
i realy wish thats fixed.
also, i am waiting for the comment of quentin in this regard.
did you test it quentin to see the result?

On 12/5/16, Governor staten <@Govsta> wrote:
VLC is accessible. It can do everything, and then some.



------------------------------------------------------------------------



On 12/5/2016 9:57 AM, Gene wrote:
I saw your description of your problem here just a bit ago. As I
said, we don't know if this is an issue that is generally a problem or
just on your machine for some reason. We may or may not get enough
reports from other users to determine that.
As far as your dissatisfaction with other players is concerned,
discussing what you particularly like about PotPlayer may be useful.
It may allow you to get information from others about other players
that do what you want, assuming such players are accessible. Given
the wide variety of players, I wouldn't be surprised if there are.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* nasrin khaksar <mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@...>
*Sent:* Monday, December 05, 2016 8:49 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable
release, and the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

gene,
i tried many players and was not satisfied with any of them except
potplayer!
i tried more than 30 players and potplayer is the best!
many websites confirm this.
did you try to see nvda is unresponsive when you close files with
potplayer?
i wish that my problem becomes solved at least in nvda 2016.4
did you read my issue 6513 on github?

On 12/5/16, Gene <gsasner@... <mailto:gsasner@...>> wrote:
Well, maybe it's a good player, then. But whatever problems it may
have, if
it doesn't work well on your system, trying another player would be
a good
idea. We don't know if the problems you are having with the player
have
anything to do with NVDA. To find out, you could test it with another
screen-reader such as a JAWS demo or perhaps with Narrator. But at this
point, we don't know if NVDA is causing the problem. There are
enough other
players available that are very well liked by blind people that if this
player doesn't work well for whatever reason on your machine, there are
plenty of alternatives.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 5:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable
release, and
the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease


hi.
potplayer is a very long time thats completely accessible!
whats the different between my link and yours?
i did not test the second link but the first link which i always use,
is the website of the programmers and owners of the softwares.
potplayer preference was not accessible in its old versions via
keyboard.
but now, its accessibility is realy great and even now, they put one
option for accessibility!

On 12/5/16, Jacob Kruger <jacob@...
<mailto:jacob@...>> wrote:
Quentin, HYG:

https://potplayer.daum.net/


But, gave it a quick test run, and, my guess is that it doesn't offer
much in t4erms of accessibility, etc. - no menu suystems that could
activate using alt + key combo's, etc., so not sure it would be
something I would want to work with as such.


stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-12-05 10:20, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Nasrin,

Is Potplayer freely available? If so, do you have a URL please and I
will download and test it myself as well.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 5:48 PM, nasrin khaksar
<nasrinkhaksar3@... <mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@...>
<mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@...>> wrote:

hi quentin.
i decided to stay on 2015.3 for always because in the latest
versions
nvda has problems with potplayer and when i press alt+f4 nvda
when i
press start menu says unknown and its a big issue for me.
because i only use potplayer and when i open files, most of
times, i
should use alt+control+n to revert nvda to its normal working.
15.3 until 16.2 were more stable for me.
but since 16.2 and 3, sometimes nvda says nothing or becomes
completely silent.
in this case, i afraid of maybe my system is hacked or my windows
has
problems or not working properly.

github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues.6513its
<http://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues.6513its> for potplayer
and
some others
players and for the problem in espeak new version with farsi
punctuations
github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6514
<http://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6514>

but i realy love the new features of nvda including selection of
documents and impprovements in using firefox and now, i use 16.3
could you please solve the problem which i mentioned in 16.4
to use
it
without any issues?
thanks extremely quentin.
do you have skype account for further details and contact about
different subjects?


On 12/5/16, Gene <gsasner@... <mailto:gsasner@...>
<mailto:gsasner@...>>
wrote:
> I mainly use an old version because I don't use new NVDA
features, as I said
> before. But also, I prefer the old way of using what was
called
Flat
> Review. I prefer always being in screen review when I activate
review mode
> in the old version and the automatic return to object
navigation
when I
> switch to another window. I could get used to the new system
but since I
> don't need to, I don't bother.
>
> Also, I don't think there is any way to import the speech
dictionaries other
> then to actually copy and paste the files. I could do that
easily enough
> but I don't since I have no need. But I am reminded of
something regarding
> the dictionaries. I think there should be an export and an
import
> dictionaries item in the dictionary interface itself.
>
> Gene
> From: Quentin Christensen
> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 5:55 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable
release, and
> the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease
>
>
> Hi Brian,
>
>
> Essentially only the latest stable (and currently as you noted,
RC) versions
> of NVDA are supported, in that if we fix a bug, that fix will
only go into a
> new build.
>
>
> Ideally, if someone is having a problem and finds that
reverting
to an
> earlier build resolves the issue, we'd very much prefer they
communicate
> that to us via a GitHub issue, or at least here on the list
or to
me
> personally so that we can endeavour to resolve it. The current
version
> should still work at least as far back as Windows XP (If anyone
is using
> Windows 98 or earlier, I'd be curious to hear your experiences
with NVDA
> just for my own interest if nothing else).
>
>
> Perhaps this thread might be a good place for anyone who is
using a version
> of NVDA prior to 2016.3, to share why that is? I can ensure
that
any issues
> are recorded on GitHub, but I'd also be able to compile a list
that I can
> take back to Mick and Jamie and say "these are issues that are
currently
> keeping users on old versions of NVDA".
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
> Quentin.
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 9:23 AM, Brian Vogel
<@britechguy <mailto:@britechguy>
<mailto:@britechguy>> wrote:
>
> The subject pretty much asks it all.
>
> In topic after topic I see people saying that they're using
old, often
> really old, versions of NVDA. That is entirely their choice,
and I'm not
> questioning that.
>
> What I'd like to know is how many versions, if any, other
than
the latest
> stable release and the RC releases, are "officially" supported
by NVAccess.
>
> Knowing how much change occurs as releases roll out over time
I know it's
> impossible to keep supporting prior releases in perpetuity or
anything close
> to it. I also know that it generally makes no sense to try to
replicate a
> bug in a release different than the one it's been detected in
except as an
> effort to determine if it is a "carry forward" that was
previously
> undetected versus newly introduced.
>
> It's almost impossible to know "what's what" unless
individuals using NVDA
> are all using the latest stable version so far as issue
reporting goes.
> That's why, particularly for open-source software, I make it a
habit to
> religiously upgrade to the latest release whether I need the
latest "bells
> and whistles" or not. Unless there is some really buggy
release
(and I'm
> talking generally, not NVDA in particular) it just makes
everyone's lives
> much easier.
> --
> Brian
>
>
> Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is
complete. If
> you’re alive, it isn’t.
>
> ~ Lauren Bacall
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Quentin Christensen
> Training Material Developer
> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
available:
> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>
>
> Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
> Direct: +61 413 904 383 <tel:%2B61%20413%20904%20383>
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<http://www.nvaccess.org>
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>


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Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
Direct: +61 413 904 383
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Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess

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we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
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in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




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we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: Braille Display and NVDA

Antony Stone
 

Is this "protocol converter" a piece of software or hardware?

Can anyone provide a link to find more about these things?

Thanks,

Antony.

On Monday 05 December 2016 at 16:36:20, J.G wrote:

Hi,

Since I used An Alva Satellite product, I found, that the best solution is
NVDA and properly configured brltty version 4.x not 5. When I tried to use
a protocol converter, NVDA said "could not load a BC6 display."

I recommend you to buy a power cable and if you have not serial port on
your computer, buy a usb to serial converter and use brltty.

regards, Jožef

p.s. if anyone find a solution on how to use a protocol converter with NVDA
it will be very appretiated.
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Re: Braille Display and NVDA

J.G
 

Hi,

Since I used An Alva Satellite product, I found, that the best solution is NVDA and properly configured brltty version 4.x not 5. When I tried to use a protocol converter, NVDA said "could not load a BC6 display."

I recommend you to buy a power cable and if you have not serial port on your computer, buy a usb to serial converter and use brltty.

regards, Jožef

p.s. if anyone find a solution on how to use a protocol converter with NVDA it will be very appretiated.


Re: My NVDA Not Working Properly

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

No that is right. The problem is that many have had the licence over time, so strictly some that were free are now no longer supposed to be available. I suppose the main one people will still find on line is Via Voice from the old IBM Home page reader. However this is as far as I'm aware sappi 4 and only around in a limited number of us English voices in any case.

Its not strictly legal unless you had the original product, so its hard to advise any further. We certainly do not suggest using it as the later versions which also include some very nice new voices is value for money I think. I myself am happy with Espeak and some of the \Microsoft voices and some others that I have on a disc from Dolphin which are paid for and work well.

None of those is classic Eloquence though. To me it sounds like a bloke with a clothes peg on his nose, but I do understand some people find this very easy to understand. Horses for courses and all that, but you won't get anyone here to point you at a hacked version of it.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] My NVDA Not Working Properly


No legal version of Eloquence is free. Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 6:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] My NVDA Not Working Properly


hi.
which version of eloquence is free here?
i went to the different links and found different versions of eloquence.

On 12/5/16, Bobby <bvinton@...> wrote:
Well you can get the sapi voices at www.grossgang.com. a guy named Jake
gross has many voices including mike and Mary voices it under the tts
link on the page.


On 12/5/2016 4:19 aM, David wrote:
Am I mistaken here, or does NVDA support SAPI voices? Smiles.

Microsoft used to have a SAPI package which came in both SAPI4 and SAPI5
versions. It contained MS Mike, and MS Mary. Personally, I prefered the
quality of the speech, produced by the Sapi4 version. They were free, and
installed under at least XP, I do hold they should work under newer
flavors of Windows as well, though I cannot tell for sure.

I could dig out the installer from my archives, but you might also want to
do a net search for something like:
Mircrosoft voice Mike installer
or,
Microsoft voice Mike download
and see if you can find the package somewhere.

What I do recall, is that you downloaded an installer file, ran it,
restarted your system, and the voices would be ready for use, under the
SAPI tab of your screen reader voice selection. I seem to remember using
Mary, with an early version of NVDA. Unless something deep inside the NVDA
core has changed, I would say it should still work.

Though being SAPI, the voices were OK responsive, and the quality was a
good deal more natural sounding, than many of the ESpeak voices. I even
used the Mike and Mary, to read several EBooks.

Just thought it might be one alternative to try out. At least it is free,
so if you don't find it useful, you could always uninstall the package,
and you would have lost nothing.
David



On 12/5/2016 8:25 AM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
Hi Ibrahim


There 2 parts to the speech platform synth and voices.

One is the speech synth engine and the other is the voices.


This is from off the website of mine of what to do to get them.


How to install Microsoft Speech Platform and voices (free) for NVDA
There are Microsoft voices that you can use with NVDA. These are called
Microsoft Speech Platform Runtime Languages. Firstly, you will need the
Microsoft Speech Platform to be able to run them.

If you have not downloaded the Microsoft Speech Platform, it is
available from the following link
http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=27225
You will need the x86 version of the file.

If you have downloaded the Microsoft Speech Platform, you can get
version 11 voices for it (called Runtime Languages) from the following
link
http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=27224

The heading on the page should be: Microsoft Speech Platform - Runtime
Languages (Version 11). If for example I wanted an English voice called
Helen, I would click on one called MSSpeech_TTS_en-US_Helen.msi Please
be aware that TTS stands for text to speech, and SR stands for speech
recognition. You are looking for the TTS ones. Once downloaded, double
click on the file and it will automatically set up to the correct
location. Go back into NVDA settings Insert + N... Preferences...
Synthesizer... (In the dropdown list of synthesizers select) Microsoft
Speech Platform... Tab to OK and press Enter. Go back into your settings
Insert + N... Preferences... Voice settings... (under the Voice combo
box) arrow down to select the voice you wish to use. Tab to OK and press
Enter. You can of course alter the rate, pitch and volume to suit your
own needs. You will need to make sure that if you have version 10.2
that you use 10.2 voices, and if you get version 11 then you will need
to get the version 11 voices. For version 10.2 please refer to the NVDA
user manual for more information under supported synthesizers.


I am just looking at the page or pages now to get the synth engine and
voices.


if you are unsure which ones to get i will download the engine and all
the voices to my pc then zip them up and drop box them for you. or
others who might be interested in installing them.


I will do this shortly.


by the way there is another free synth package called speechhub that you
might want to use. the voices are only in english.

You can get the speech hub package from the following link at
http://www.speakon.org.uk/

Gene nz




On 5/12/2016 5:28 PM, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:
Hi good people:
If you can recollect, I did send a message to this group about my NVDA
not working properly. I did get many responses, and I thank all of
you who found time to respond. I am sorry I mistakenly deleted the
digest mail sent to me, and I can not reply to the mail. But I
believe some of you might remember the mail.
Actually, I got a very good response from David. He made some
suggestions which I've tried. I discovered when I switched off NVDa
as he suggested, and I used the demo version of JAWS for Windows, that
the system worked very nicely, and fast.
I strongly believe that the problem must be from the synthesiser I am
using. Actually, I use Micro sofft speech AI4 which I use through
viavoice outloud. I appear to like the synthesiser, because it is
very clear and it sounds like eloquence. But it appears obsolete and
not very helpful.
I can't use the JAWS demo version, because it works in 40 minute mode,
and one cannot usee that when doing serious work on the computer.
I downloaded Microsoft speech version 11 but it couldn't be installed
on my system. I did it several times but it didn't work. i cannot
use ESpeak, because I don't understand the speech. I tried koba
speech as well, but the speech for that is also not very easy to
comprehend.
So, can anyone suggest another synthesiser. I use windows 7 32bit.
I am Ibrahim from Nigeria.







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Re: Change NVDA key bindings

Andre Fisher
 

Hi.

This involves great use of the Input gestures dialog. Because you want
to remap the text review functions, it might be good that you use the
laptop keyboard layout, which has different keys assigned for these
purposes.

1. Go to the NVDA menu, Preferences, Input gestures dialog.
2. Arrow down to the text review tree view and press right arrow.
3. Using your up/down arrows to move between the keyboard script
functions and your right/left arrows to open/close the tree view
items, you can delete the keyboard shortcut assignments with Numpad in
them.

Let me know how it works out.

On 12/5/16, aeneagu via Groups.Io <aeneagu=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi,

I recently bought a Lenovo Ideapad 100 laptop that does not have individual
Home, End, PgUp and PgDown keys. Instead, these functions are on the Numpad
7, 1, 9 and 3 keys respectively. With NVDA off they can be used normally,
however when NVDA is on they lose their standard functionality as they
become numpad keys for review mode. Changing from desktop keyboard layout to
laptop layout does not seem to change anything, neither does Numlock on or
off, they still perform review commands.

Is there any way I can remove the binding from these 4 particular numpad
keys so that they work as regular Home, End etc, and remap other
keys/combinations for the 4 review commands?

Thanks,
Andreea