Re: Paid Tutorials?
Quentin Christensen
Hi Chris and everyone, I replied to the other thread with this question, but just in case. The official NVDA tutorials are initially available in electronic text format, with the audio and Braille versions to follow. The Braille version of the Basic Training for NVDA module is currently available and the audio (which yes, is being recorded by a real human, and including samples of NVDA), is nearly finished and should be available soon. As to format of the audio, they will be available in downloadable MP3 at least. I remember looking at audio CD as well and to be honest, off the top of my head, I can't recall whether we're still looking at that. If we do, is there interest in audio CDs as well as downloadable MP3? Kind regards Quentin.
On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 12:39 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:
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Re: Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported?
#NVDARelease
David Moore
Hi, That is true, Narrator, in win10 anniversary update, has enabled me to access controls that I could not access with JAWS or NVDA. I highly recommend that one learn how to use Narrator, because it is getting more and more powful in win10, and can do a few things that high-end screen readers cannot do. Think that you have three screen readerrs, Narrator, NVDA, and JAWS or Window eyes that you can use in demo mode. David Moore Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: David
Sent: Monday, December 5, 2016 3:12 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease
Just for your correction.
You said you do NOT have any other screen reader to test? I do understand what you mean, but it is not fully and completely true.
ALL, and I mean ALL flavors of Windows - from at least XP and up - holds Microsoft's embedded screen reader, named NARRATOR. Though far from being a full-fledged screen reader, it many times can help you out. For instance, due to its very basic functionality, it at least could give you some idea to what extend a piece of software is accessible at all. If NARRATOR cannot help you out, then chances are that the software at the minimum requires some more advanced features of the screen reader.
I do, and have don so in other settings, on a general basis encourage all: If your high-end screen reader cannot do what you want, give Narrator a go. Then com back and report your findings.
Might sound a bit awkward at first glance. But sometimes the high-end screen readers might have settings, that complicates the usage of a software. Running Narrator, finding that things work, you might be able to start tracing why the high-end screen reader does not do what you expect.
Furthermore, most - if not all - of the high-end screen readers, do have downloadable demo-versions. Might be an idea, to download and install at least one such demo, and use it for cases when you want to determine if NVDA is the bottleneck of your issue. Far as I know, they all provide you fully working products, with an up-time of anything from 30 to 60 minutes; Enough time to get an idea of whether your third-party software is workable or not.
In the older days, installing more than one screen reader, sometimes caused system trouble. To the best of my knowledge, such is NOT the case any longer, and have not been for a decade or so. In other words, encouraged are everyone, to go get yourself at least one backup screen reader, if nothing else go for a demo. It further might help the tech team of NVDA getting to the core of your problem, if you can describe what is taken place when running an alternative screen reader.
How do you know, if you prefer McDonald burgers, if you never tasted anything but Burger-King?
David
On 12/5/2016 5:22 PM, nasrin khaksar wrote: > gene. > thanks so much for helping me to test the program. > i dont have any screen reader except nvda to test. > me too, use windows xp service pack 3 > you dont need to use nvda cursors to intract with potplayer menus. > you should only press the application keys and you can access to all > menus and options by normal arrow keys. > only nvda freezes and says nothing in the windows except unknown. > i should restart nvda to work as normal. > > On 12/5/16, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote: >> Well, this thread has taken an interesting turn that I hadn't ever >> anticipated (and, to quote Seinfeld, "not that there's anything wrong with >> that.") >> >> So I'll use this to get back on my soapbox about when anyone encounters an >> issue with any software or combination of software: >> >> * if you cannot give steps necessary to replicate the problem there's >> virtually no hope that the problem can or will be solved >> * if you can give steps necessary to replicate the problem, but others >> running the same operating system and similar overall configuration that you >> are don't have it when they perform those steps, this suggests an >> idiosyncratic problem with your own system >> >> I cannot count the number of times when I've spent hours on a given problem >> only to find out that it was a weird interaction between two programs that >> are installed, that a system has not been updated and old DLL files are >> being called that have errors that have long ago been fixed, etc. >> >> I'm not saying that anyone is directly "at fault" for anything, but these >> are factors that you must consider and there will be occasions when "it's >> just you" as well as many more when it's "not just you." Having a >> detective's mindset is essential in instances such as this. >> -- >> *Brian* >> >> *Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If >> you’re alive, it isn’t.* >> >> ~ Lauren Bacall >> >
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Re: My NVDA Not Working Properly
Dejan Ristic
Let me express myself once more, please,
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I've just taken a look at the English US entry, and I find all the three Ivens. What to say to that? Is it possible that our friend member is encountering an error?
On 12/5/2016 11:01 PM, Dejan Ristic wrote:
Thank you for teaching me some new NVDA-related things.
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Re: NVDA Paid Tutorials?
Quentin Christensen
Hi Chris, So far we have two modules available: Basic Training for NVDA and Microsoft Word with NVDA Both are available in electronic text formats, and the Basic Training is available in Braille. The audio version of the Basic Training module is just about ready (apologies - it has taken longer than anticipated). I'll be sure and write to the list when the audio is available and otherwise everything that is available can be purchased from http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ Kind regards Quentin.
On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 3:13 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote: I asked this earlier, but I'm wonderring if my message made it to the list, as my E-mail client was being really dumb at that time. --
Quentin Christensen Training Material Developer Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ Direct: +61 413 904 383 www.nvaccess.org Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess Twitter: @NVAccess
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Re: My NVDA Not Working Properly
Dejan Ristic
Thank you for teaching me some new NVDA-related things.
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I used to use Iven, and in order to prevent outbursts, I decreased the volume level down to 40%, and it worked smoothly for me.
On 12/5/2016 10:42 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
Ahh, I see. I only had a single ivan, because I was looking under the english us. The 3 ivan voices are under the entry that just says english. Now it makes sense. That was I was wondering where the other ivan voices were, they don't show up under the english us setting, only under the english by itself. Got it now. Think I'll stick with the ivan I have, it's slightly louder than the other 2, and slightly deeper, which I like very much.
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Re: My NVDA Not Working Properly
Dejan Ristic
Friend,
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Your question is answered. Iven 3 is in the list where you find the Iven you have talked about. Hit I to switch between the Ivens. Try it as patiently as you can, but, if you cannot find it, then, report them as missing in your list, so that you may be given further help.
On 12/5/2016 9:05 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
Yeah, I know that. I was specifically asking where the ivan3 voice was, because I only see 1 ivan voice, uneer the espeak ng synthesizer. You didn't answer my question.
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Re: My NVDA Not Working Properly
Dejan Ristic
Open the voice settings menu. Tab once to the list of the voice variants. Press the letter I to find the three Ivens in the list. There are: Iven, Iven 2, and Iven 3, the last of which I use.
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Note: You will need to use ESpeak NG so that this help may take effect.
On 12/5/2016 8:05 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
I didn't know there was more than one ivan. I use ivan as well, but I only saw one of them in the list of voices. This is using the espeak ng. I like the ivan voice, where are the others so I may take a look at them as well?
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Re: My NVDA Not Working Properly
Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
Ahh, I see. I only had a single ivan, because I was looking under the english us. The 3 ivan voices are under the entry that just says english. Now it makes sense. That was I was wondering where the other ivan voices were, they don't show up under the english us setting, only under the english by itself. Got it now. Think I'll stick with the ivan I have, it's slightly louder than the other 2, and slightly deeper, which I like very much.
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On 12/5/2016 3:56 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
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Re: wanted free synth for my nvda
Casey <cwollner@...>
Hi the vine3 voice that was talked about hear in this message.
-- Casey
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Re: Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and the next RC release, officially supported?
#NVDARelease
Gene
There is an interesting discussion about an earlier
version of the player and NVDA as well as without NVDA here.
The player may have had and may still have one or more
issues that should be addressed by the developers.
Whetehr one or more issues you discuss is an NVDA issue or
whether the issues are entirely issues with the player, I don't know. but
the player had at least one serious issue in the past and we don't know if it
has been addressed.
I would suggest that you tell the list what you are
looking for in terms of abilities and functionality in a player and see what
responses you get.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable
release, and the next RC release, officially supported?
#NVDARelease Also, what version of the player are you
using? My version had no menus and the screen was not readable. If
you are using an older version, accessibility may have changed. If you are
using a newer version, accessibility may have changed as well. I assumed I was
using the latest version because I downloaded it from the site. but your
very different description of the program interface raises the question of which
version you are using. My version is 1.6.6385619.7.
Also, you said you tried various players and didn't
like them. if you explain why, you might find there are ways around what
you didn't like or that you didn't know some commands that would make the
programs much more friendly. Even the positive review I read, which talked
about many features of the program the reviewer liked, discussed features that
would only be of interest to sighted users such as controling how subtitles are
displayed and other visual features of the program. The reviewer compared
the program to VLC player, saying it did some things better but saying it was
similar to VLC Player. It is seldom the case that, in an area like this,
with such a wide variety of programs that there is only one satisfactory
program.
Also, there may be ways of getting more out of a
program than you are aware of. For example, there is an add on for Winamp
available for use with NVDA which provides more functionality than is available
without the program.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
> gene. > thanks so much for helping me to test the program. > i dont have any screen reader except nvda to test. > me too, use windows xp service pack 3 > you dont need to use nvda cursors to intract with potplayer menus. > you should only press the application keys and you can access to all > menus and options by normal arrow keys. > only nvda freezes and says nothing in the windows except unknown. > i should restart nvda to work as normal. > > On 12/5/16, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote: >> Well, this thread has taken an interesting turn that I hadn't ever >> anticipated (and, to quote Seinfeld, "not that there's anything wrong with >> that.") >> >> So I'll use this to get back on my soapbox about when anyone encounters an >> issue with any software or combination of software: >> >> * if you cannot give steps necessary to replicate the problem there's >> virtually no hope that the problem can or will be solved >> * if you can give steps necessary to replicate the problem, but others >> running the same operating system and similar overall configuration that you >> are don't have it when they perform those steps, this suggests an >> idiosyncratic problem with your own system >> >> I cannot count the number of times when I've spent hours on a given problem >> only to find out that it was a weird interaction between two programs that >> are installed, that a system has not been updated and old DLL files are >> being called that have errors that have long ago been fixed, etc. >> >> I'm not saying that anyone is directly "at fault" for anything, but these >> are factors that you must consider and there will be occasions when "it's >> just you" as well as many more when it's "not just you." Having a >> detective's mindset is essential in instances such as this. >> -- >> *Brian* >> >> *Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If >> you’re alive, it isn’t.* >> >> ~ Lauren Bacall >> >
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Re: My NVDA Not Working Properly
Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
Hi
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If the E speak nz is the preferred synth package under the synth settings, I only notice the varients come up under the voice settings section. I just looked and saw all 3 ivon voices there. Even though i am using a windows 10 pc it should not matter. There is about 40 or 50 voices or varients under that section. If it is the sapi 5 version they might have to be installed if they are there. if not what is mentioned above i have no idea. I can tell you if you made extra varients where to put them, but that is not maybe you are asking about. Gene nz
On 6/12/2016 9:05 AM, Travis Siegel wrote:
Yeah, I know that. I was specifically asking where the ivan3 voice --
<b>Check out the new location of my accessibility central website for NVDA tutorials, NVDA road tested programs, and other eyesight related topics. http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ If you would like to keep up to date with whats being updated on our website, you can also follow us on facebook by visiting the following link https://en-gb.facebook.com/people/AccessibilityCentral-Net/100009727930216 Also, check out which New Zealand libraries have the NVDA screen reader available by visiting the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
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Re: Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and the next RC release, officially supported?
#NVDARelease
Gene
Also, what version of the player are you
using? My version had no menus and the screen was not readable. If
you are using an older version, accessibility may have changed. If you are
using a newer version, accessibility may have changed as well. I assumed I was
using the latest version because I downloaded it from the site. but your
very different description of the program interface raises the question of which
version you are using. My version is 1.6.6385619.7.
Also, you said you tried various players and didn't
like them. if you explain why, you might find there are ways around what
you didn't like or that you didn't know some commands that would make the
programs much more friendly. Even the positive review I read, which talked
about many features of the program the reviewer liked, discussed features that
would only be of interest to sighted users such as controling how subtitles are
displayed and other visual features of the program. The reviewer compared
the program to VLC player, saying it did some things better but saying it was
similar to VLC Player. It is seldom the case that, in an area like this,
with such a wide variety of programs that there is only one satisfactory
program.
Also, there may be ways of getting more out of a
program than you are aware of. For example, there is an add on for Winamp
available for use with NVDA which provides more functionality than is available
without the program.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
> gene. > thanks so much for helping me to test the program. > i dont have any screen reader except nvda to test. > me too, use windows xp service pack 3 > you dont need to use nvda cursors to intract with potplayer menus. > you should only press the application keys and you can access to all > menus and options by normal arrow keys. > only nvda freezes and says nothing in the windows except unknown. > i should restart nvda to work as normal. > > On 12/5/16, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote: >> Well, this thread has taken an interesting turn that I hadn't ever >> anticipated (and, to quote Seinfeld, "not that there's anything wrong with >> that.") >> >> So I'll use this to get back on my soapbox about when anyone encounters an >> issue with any software or combination of software: >> >> * if you cannot give steps necessary to replicate the problem there's >> virtually no hope that the problem can or will be solved >> * if you can give steps necessary to replicate the problem, but others >> running the same operating system and similar overall configuration that you >> are don't have it when they perform those steps, this suggests an >> idiosyncratic problem with your own system >> >> I cannot count the number of times when I've spent hours on a given problem >> only to find out that it was a weird interaction between two programs that >> are installed, that a system has not been updated and old DLL files are >> being called that have errors that have long ago been fixed, etc. >> >> I'm not saying that anyone is directly "at fault" for anything, but these >> are factors that you must consider and there will be occasions when "it's >> just you" as well as many more when it's "not just you." Having a >> detective's mindset is essential in instances such as this. >> -- >> *Brian* >> >> *Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If >> you’re alive, it isn’t.* >> >> ~ Lauren Bacall >> >
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private messages not going to my inbox in thunderbird
Rosemarie Chavarria
Hi, everyone,
All of a sudden private messages are not going to my inbox like they'd normally do. They're going to the all mail folder instead. Is there a setting in thunderbird I need to change? Thanks in advance. Rosemarie
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Re: Change NVDA key bindings
Andreea Neagu
Hi Andre,
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Thank you! That did the trick. Best regards, Andreea Sent from my iPhone Pe 5 dec. 2016, la 17:33, Andre Fisher <andrefisher729@gmail.com> a scris:
Hi.
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Re: Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and the next RC release, officially supported?
#NVDARelease
David <trailerdavid@...>
Just for your correction.
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You said you do NOT have any other screen reader to test? I do understand what you mean, but it is not fully and completely true. ALL, and I mean ALL flavors of Windows - from at least XP and up - holds Microsoft's embedded screen reader, named NARRATOR. Though far from being a full-fledged screen reader, it many times can help you out. For instance, due to its very basic functionality, it at least could give you some idea to what extend a piece of software is accessible at all. If NARRATOR cannot help you out, then chances are that the software at the minimum requires some more advanced features of the screen reader. I do, and have don so in other settings, on a general basis encourage all: If your high-end screen reader cannot do what you want, give Narrator a go. Then com back and report your findings. Might sound a bit awkward at first glance. But sometimes the high-end screen readers might have settings, that complicates the usage of a software. Running Narrator, finding that things work, you might be able to start tracing why the high-end screen reader does not do what you expect. Furthermore, most - if not all - of the high-end screen readers, do have downloadable demo-versions. Might be an idea, to download and install at least one such demo, and use it for cases when you want to determine if NVDA is the bottleneck of your issue. Far as I know, they all provide you fully working products, with an up-time of anything from 30 to 60 minutes; Enough time to get an idea of whether your third-party software is workable or not. In the older days, installing more than one screen reader, sometimes caused system trouble. To the best of my knowledge, such is NOT the case any longer, and have not been for a decade or so. In other words, encouraged are everyone, to go get yourself at least one backup screen reader, if nothing else go for a demo. It further might help the tech team of NVDA getting to the core of your problem, if you can describe what is taken place when running an alternative screen reader. How do you know, if you prefer McDonald burgers, if you never tasted anything but Burger-King? David
On 12/5/2016 5:22 PM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
gene.
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Re: My NVDA Not Working Properly
Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
Yeah, I know that. I was specifically asking where the ivan3 voice was, because I only see 1 ivan voice, uneer the espeak ng synthesizer. You didn't answer my question.
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
On 12/5/2016 2:40 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
hi
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Accessing Headers and Footers with NVDA
Albert Ruel
Hi all. Can someone tell me how I can read the info contained in document headers and footers using NVDA?
Thx, Albert
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Re: Fixing my e-mail display name issue.
Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
Where are you looking to see the from field. I use thunderbird too, and I'm showing the emails are from: chris (and the rest of the name, no clue how to spell all that w/o looking), and the to: is the nvda list. In the message list, it's also listed as coming from Chris something, and subject, then to showing up as the nvda list. Which particular field is causing you concern?
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On 12/5/2016 11:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
I have no idea why, but at least on my end, I'm seeing that my messages I send this list with Thunderbird are showing up as coming from NVDA@NVDA.groups.io rather than saying from Christopher-Mark Gilland.
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Re: Paid Tutorials?
Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
Hi
That is part of the reason the tutorials i wrote are for the desktop pc. I would have to remember them 2.
I got lazy brought a wireless keyboard with both the whole qwerty keyboard on it, so i did not have to remember separate commands when i jumped onto the note boook. Plus i did not really like the keyboard that came with the notebook as it seemed 2 high for me to type on.
Gene nz On 6/12/2016 2:39 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
-- <b>Check out the new location of my accessibility central website for NVDA tutorials, NVDA road tested programs, and other eyesight related topics. http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ If you would like to keep up to date with whats being updated on our website, you can also follow us on facebook by visiting the following link https://en-gb.facebook.com/people/AccessibilityCentral-Net/100009727930216 Also, check out which New Zealand libraries have the NVDA screen reader available by visiting the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
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Re: Paid Tutorials?
Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
Hi
That is part of the reason the tutorials i wrote are for the desktop pc. I would have to remember them 2.
I got lazy brought a wireless keyboard with both the whole qwerty keyboard on it, so i did not have to remember separate commands when i jumped onto the note boook. Plus i did not really like the keyboard that came with the notebook as it seemed 2 high for me to type on.
Gene nz On 6/12/2016 2:39 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
-- <b>Check out the new location of my accessibility central website for NVDA tutorials, NVDA road tested programs, and other eyesight related topics. http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ If you would like to keep up to date with whats being updated on our website, you can also follow us on facebook by visiting the following link https://en-gb.facebook.com/people/AccessibilityCentral-Net/100009727930216 Also, check out which New Zealand libraries have the NVDA screen reader available by visiting the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
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