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Re: Accessing Headers and Footers with NVDA

Albert Ruel
 

Thanks Quentin.  I did forget to tell you that I’m using MS Word 2013.  Thanks for those instructions.  That seems to do the trick. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Monday, December 5, 2016 2:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessing Headers and Footers with NVDA

 

Hi Albert,

 

You didn't mention which program or version you are using, but if you are using a relatively recent version of Word, it's alt+n for the Insert ribbon, then H for headers, then E for edit.  If there isn't an existing header, it will be blank, otherwise, it will take you to the header for the current page.  Press the down arrow to move to the footer, then the header for the next page and so on.  You can also press alt+n then F then e which does the same thing except takes you to the footer directly to edit it (I only remember as it is one of the few fairly logical key sequences - once you remember that this is all on the insert ribbon :)

 

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 6:55 AM, Albert Ruel <albertruel@...> wrote:

Hi all.  Can someone tell me how I can read the info contained in document headers and footers using NVDA? 

 

Thx, Albert

 



 

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Re: My NVDA Not Working Properly

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Ok, never mind, all three ivans are there, for some reason though, ivan2 and ivan3 are much much higher on the list than the ivan choice. That's why I didn't see them at first. It appears the english-us and the english list are identical. Not sure why I missed the ivan2 and ivan3 when I looked before. I have 52 voices in the list of voices, ivan2 and ivan3 are numbers 10 and 11, while ivan is number 48. Not sure why the regular ivan is so far away from ivan2 and ivan3, but that's what caused my confusion. Sorry for the trouble.

On 12/5/2016 5:07 PM, Dejan Ristic wrote:
Let me express myself once more, please,


I've just taken a look at the English US entry, and I find all the three Ivens. What to say to that? Is it possible that our friend member is encountering an error?


On 12/5/2016 11:01 PM, Dejan Ristic wrote:
Thank you for teaching me some new NVDA-related things.


I used to use Iven, and in order to prevent outbursts, I decreased the volume level down to 40%, and it worked smoothly for me.


On 12/5/2016 10:42 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
Ahh, I see. I only had a single ivan, because I was looking under the english us. The 3 ivan voices are under the entry that just says english. Now it makes sense. That was I was wondering where the other ivan voices were, they don't show up under the english us setting, only under the english by itself. Got it now. Think I'll stick with the ivan I have, it's slightly louder than the other 2, and slightly deeper, which I like very much.



On 12/5/2016 3:56 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
Hi

If the E speak nz is the preferred synth package under the synth
settings, I only notice the varients come up under the voice settings
section. I just looked and saw all 3 ivon voices there. Even though i am
using a windows 10 pc it should not matter.

There is about 40 or 50 voices or varients under that section.

If it is the sapi 5 version they might have to be installed if they are
there.

if not what is mentioned above i have no idea.

I can tell you if you made extra varients where to put them, but that is
not maybe you are asking about.

Gene nz

On 6/12/2016 9:05 AM, Travis Siegel wrote:
Yeah, I know that. I was specifically asking where the ivan3 voice
was, because I only see 1 ivan voice, uneer the espeak ng synthesizer.
You didn't answer my question.



On 12/5/2016 2:40 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
hi


Under the voice settings section when you go into it under the barient
section it is a combo box open it up then arrow down the list to hear
the different varients there. the voices will change depending on the
synth package used.


I find my own voice Gene easy to listen 2.


Gene nz



On 6/12/2016 8:05 AM, Travis Siegel wrote:
I didn't know there was more than one ivan. I use ivan as well, but I
only saw one of them in the list of voices. This is using the espeak
ng. I like the ivan voice, where are the others so I may take a look
at them as well?



On 12/5/2016 2:29 AM, Dejan Ristic wrote:
Although you said that you did not understand ESpeak, what do you
think about using some of the variants it offers us? For instance, I
use Iven 3, which I find very clear. I have set the rate at 24. I do
not encounter any problems, probably because I use ESpeak, which I
find very quick and responsive. Try to get used to it. Your messages
say that your English is very good, so I think that you may get used
to it before long. Choose between the variants, and try different
rates to make it suitable for yourself. Let me also say that I used
ESpeak while doing some freelace translations from English to
Serbian, and vice versa. I was successful.


On 12/5/2016 5:28 AM, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:
Hi good people:
If you can recollect, I did send a message to this group about my
NVDA
not working properly. I did get many responses, and I thank all of
you who found time to respond. I am sorry I mistakenly deleted the
digest mail sent to me, and I can not reply to the mail. But I
believe some of you might remember the mail.
Actually, I got a very good response from David. He made some
suggestions which I've tried. I discovered when I switched off NVDa
as he suggested, and I used the demo version of JAWS for Windows,
that
the system worked very nicely, and fast.
I strongly believe that the problem must be from the synthesiser I am
using. Actually, I use Micro sofft speech AI4 which I use through
viavoice outloud. I appear to like the synthesiser, because it is
very clear and it sounds like eloquence. But it appears obsolete and
not very helpful.
I can't use the JAWS demo version, because it works in 40 minute
mode,
and one cannot usee that when doing serious work on the computer.
I downloaded Microsoft speech version 11 but it couldn't be installed
on my system. I did it several times but it didn't work. i cannot
use ESpeak, because I don't understand the speech. I tried koba
speech as well, but the speech for that is also not very easy to
comprehend.
So, can anyone suggest another synthesiser. I use windows 7 32bit.
I am Ibrahim from Nigeria.



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Re: Potential problem with the Remote addon

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


Gene,
 
One of us is confused.
 
Yes it does make sense you'd issue the bypass command. This friend of mine has an app that he uses which uncommonly has F11 mapped as one of the keystrokes to perform a task within that application.  So, regardless if NVDA is in the equasion or not, even if a sighted person was using this same application, F11 would be the command one would need to hit to execute this function. The problem is, F11 is also assigned to the NVDA remote addon to toggle between sending or not sending keys.
 
If I am trying to help him with something in this program, and we get to the point where F11 is required, yeah, I can make him hit the key for me, but that's really a poor way of doing things. I should be able in one form a or another to have the same level of control as him, not 99.9999%. If I am sending keys, and am focused in that application on his system, then try hitting F11, it stops sending keys. Why? Because F11 is ultimately set to be interceptid by the Remote Addon, so therefore that  takes

 precedents over the application in question therefore causing a key conflict. This is why I need the Remote addon to ignore me hitting F11. This way the application sees it, not the remote addon. That's why I was trying to first do a pass key through.

 

If this doesn't make sense, then I'm not sure how more elementary to explain it. Maybe someone else can.

 

Chris.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Potential problem with the Remote addon

It doesn't make sense that you would use the bypass key before issuing the f11 command.  This is clearly an NVDA add on command and you would want it to go to NVDA so the add on will intercept it and take an action. 
 
Whatever the problem is, the bypass key won't solve it, as you found.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 4:32 PM
Subject: [nvda] Potential problem with the Remote addon

So, a friend and I were both playing with the NVDA Remote addon. I was controlling his computer.
 
The Addon worked flawlessly with one exception:  For whatever reason, you know how F11 is used for sending/not sending keys? I know earlier I talked about needing the keystroke to pass a key through, which was told to me to be NVDA+F2. Thank you for that information, by the way. The problem is, even after doing this, hearing NVDA say pass key through, then hitting F11, I can't send an F11 key to his computer, no matter what!
 
He! can hit F11 and obviously it works, but shouldn't the controller also be able to do this?
 
This one's got me a bit baffled. Further, in the Tools menu of NVDA under Remote, I tried sending a CTRL+Alt+Del, and that neither is working. It just acts like I did nothing at all.
 
Does anyone know how to get both these issues resolved short of contacting Christopher Toth, who usually never seems to respond back to me cvia e-mail nor via Twitter, not sure why not?
 
Chris.
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Re: Paid Tutorials?

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


Quentin,
 
Can you write me off list please? I need help with my order.
 
Chris.
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Paid Tutorials?

Hi Chris and everyone,

I replied to the other thread with this question, but just in case.  The official NVDA tutorials are initially available in electronic text format, with the audio and Braille versions to follow.  The Braille version of the Basic Training for NVDA module is currently available and the audio (which yes, is being recorded by a real human, and including samples of NVDA), is nearly finished and should be available soon.

As to format of the audio, they will be available in downloadable MP3 at least.  I remember looking at audio CD as well and to be honest, off the top of my head, I can't recall whether we're still looking at that.  If we do, is there interest in audio CDs as well as downloadable MP3?

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 12:39 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:
Where do I go to purchase the paid NVDA audio tutorials, and how much are they in USD?
 
I need to check my finances, but I'm almost 100% sure I can do it. I'd like to do this if I can. I feel that I am fairly comfortable at this point with NVDA, but some of the more advanced things, I could probably use some brushing up on. Plus, I'm horrible! and I do mean horrible! at memorizing the laptop keyboard layout, which is a real problem, as the laptop I'm using doesn't have a keypad.
 
Chris.




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Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
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Re: Potential problem with the Remote addon

Gene
 

It doesn't make sense that you would use the bypass key before issuing the f11 command.  This is clearly an NVDA add on command and you would want it to go to NVDA so the add on will intercept it and take an action. 
 
Whatever the problem is, the bypass key won't solve it, as you found.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 4:32 PM
Subject: [nvda] Potential problem with the Remote addon

So, a friend and I were both playing with the NVDA Remote addon. I was controlling his computer.
 
The Addon worked flawlessly with one exception:  For whatever reason, you know how F11 is used for sending/not sending keys? I know earlier I talked about needing the keystroke to pass a key through, which was told to me to be NVDA+F2. Thank you for that information, by the way. The problem is, even after doing this, hearing NVDA say pass key through, then hitting F11, I can't send an F11 key to his computer, no matter what!
 
He! can hit F11 and obviously it works, but shouldn't the controller also be able to do this?
 
This one's got me a bit baffled. Further, in the Tools menu of NVDA under Remote, I tried sending a CTRL+Alt+Del, and that neither is working. It just acts like I did nothing at all.
 
Does anyone know how to get both these issues resolved short of contacting Christopher Toth, who usually never seems to respond back to me cvia e-mail nor via Twitter, not sure why not?
 
Chris.


Re: NVDA Paid Tutorials?

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


OK, I bought the text version unknowing the audio was in the works. Damn! I thought maybe I'd misunderstood and there wouldn't ever be any audio.
 
I can't afford the audio if it's gonna cost separetly the same as the text, but the audio's really what I actually wanted in the long run.
 
Can you all write me off list about this? Maybe we can come up with a compromise.
 
My order is under the address:
 
 
and my PayPal e-mail I used for the purchase is:
 
 
I don't expect a refund necessarily, but I'd like to see if there is maybe something we could do to correct this problem.
 
Chris.
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Paid Tutorials?

Hi Chris,

So far we have two modules available:

Basic Training for NVDA
and
Microsoft Word with NVDA

Both are available in electronic text formats, and the Basic Training is available in Braille.  The audio version of the Basic Training module is just about ready (apologies - it has taken longer than anticipated).  I'll be sure and write to the list when the audio is available and otherwise everything that is available can be purchased from http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 3:13 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:
I asked this earlier, but I'm wonderring if my message made it to the list, as my E-mail client was being really dumb at that time.


I'm very very interested in purchasing the audio tutorials which were done for NVDA. I speak not of the ones for Microsoft Word, which are like, $30. I'm talking about the ones which were made specifically for the opperation of NVDA itself.


I tried Googling, but I'm not having a whole lot of luck.


Can someone give me a link to get more information, and make a purchase?


Chris.







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www.nvaccess.org 
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Potential problem with the Remote addon

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


So, a friend and I were both playing with the NVDA Remote addon. I was controlling his computer.
 
The Addon worked flawlessly with one exception:  For whatever reason, you know how F11 is used for sending/not sending keys? I know earlier I talked about needing the keystroke to pass a key through, which was told to me to be NVDA+F2. Thank you for that information, by the way. The problem is, even after doing this, hearing NVDA say pass key through, then hitting F11, I can't send an F11 key to his computer, no matter what!
 
He! can hit F11 and obviously it works, but shouldn't the controller also be able to do this?
 
This one's got me a bit baffled. Further, in the Tools menu of NVDA under Remote, I tried sending a CTRL+Alt+Del, and that neither is working. It just acts like I did nothing at all.
 
Does anyone know how to get both these issues resolved short of contacting Christopher Toth, who usually never seems to respond back to me cvia e-mail nor via Twitter, not sure why not?
 
Chris.


Re: Paid Tutorials?

Mallard
 

I understand you, Gene.

I got a numpad together with other pc accessories as a Christmas present a few years ago, and I solved my laptop keyboard problems with that...

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 05/12/2016 20:52, Gene New Zealand ha scritto:

Hi


That is part of the reason the tutorials i wrote are for the desktop pc. I would have to remember them 2.


I got lazy brought a wireless keyboard with both the whole qwerty keyboard on it, so i did not have to remember separate commands when i jumped onto the note boook. Plus i did not really like the keyboard that came with the notebook as it seemed 2 high for me to type on.


Gene nz



On 6/12/2016 2:39 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
Where do I go to purchase the paid NVDA audio tutorials, and how much are they in USD?
I need to check my finances, but I'm almost 100% sure I can do it. I'd like to do this if I can. I feel that I am fairly comfortable at this point with NVDA, but some of the more advanced things, I could probably use some brushing up on. Plus, I'm horrible! and I do mean horrible! at memorizing the laptop keyboard layout, which is a real problem, as the laptop I'm using doesn't have a keypad.
Chris.
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Re: Accessing Headers and Footers with NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Albert,

You didn't mention which program or version you are using, but if you are using a relatively recent version of Word, it's alt+n for the Insert ribbon, then H for headers, then E for edit.  If there isn't an existing header, it will be blank, otherwise, it will take you to the header for the current page.  Press the down arrow to move to the footer, then the header for the next page and so on.  You can also press alt+n then F then e which does the same thing except takes you to the footer directly to edit it (I only remember as it is one of the few fairly logical key sequences - once you remember that this is all on the insert ribbon :)

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 6:55 AM, Albert Ruel <albertruel@...> wrote:

Hi all.  Can someone tell me how I can read the info contained in document headers and footers using NVDA? 

 

Thx, Albert

 




--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: Paid Tutorials?

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Chris and everyone,

I replied to the other thread with this question, but just in case.  The official NVDA tutorials are initially available in electronic text format, with the audio and Braille versions to follow.  The Braille version of the Basic Training for NVDA module is currently available and the audio (which yes, is being recorded by a real human, and including samples of NVDA), is nearly finished and should be available soon.

As to format of the audio, they will be available in downloadable MP3 at least.  I remember looking at audio CD as well and to be honest, off the top of my head, I can't recall whether we're still looking at that.  If we do, is there interest in audio CDs as well as downloadable MP3?

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 12:39 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:
Where do I go to purchase the paid NVDA audio tutorials, and how much are they in USD?
 
I need to check my finances, but I'm almost 100% sure I can do it. I'd like to do this if I can. I feel that I am fairly comfortable at this point with NVDA, but some of the more advanced things, I could probably use some brushing up on. Plus, I'm horrible! and I do mean horrible! at memorizing the laptop keyboard layout, which is a real problem, as the laptop I'm using doesn't have a keypad.
 
Chris.




--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

David Moore
 

Hi, That is true,

Narrator, in win10 anniversary update, has enabled me to access controls that I could not access with JAWS or NVDA. I highly recommend that one learn how to use Narrator, because it is getting more and more powful in win10, and can do a few things that high-end screen readers cannot do. Think that you have three screen readerrs, Narrator, NVDA, and JAWS or Window eyes that you can use in demo mode.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: David
Sent: Monday, December 5, 2016 3:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

 

Just for your correction.

 

 

You said you do NOT have any other screen reader to test? I do

understand what you mean, but it is not fully and completely true.

 

 

ALL, and I mean ALL flavors of Windows - from at least XP and up - holds

Microsoft's embedded screen reader, named NARRATOR. Though far from

being a full-fledged screen reader, it many times can help you out. For

instance, due to its very basic functionality, it at least could give

you some idea to what extend a piece of software is accessible at all.

If NARRATOR cannot help you out, then chances are that the software at

the minimum requires some more advanced features of the screen reader.

 

 

I do, and have don so in other settings, on a general basis encourage

all: If your high-end screen reader cannot do what you want, give

Narrator a go. Then com back and report your findings.

 

 

Might sound a bit awkward at first glance. But sometimes the high-end

screen readers might have settings, that complicates the usage of a

software. Running Narrator, finding that things work, you might be able

to start tracing why the high-end screen reader does not do what you expect.

 

 

Furthermore, most - if not all - of the high-end screen readers, do have

downloadable demo-versions. Might be an idea, to download and install at

least one such demo, and use it for cases when you want to determine if

NVDA is the bottleneck of your issue. Far as I know, they all provide

you fully working products, with an up-time of anything from 30 to 60

minutes; Enough time to get an idea of whether your third-party software

is workable or not.

 

 

In the older days, installing more than one screen reader, sometimes

caused system trouble. To the best of my knowledge, such is NOT the case

any longer, and have not been for a decade or so. In other words,

encouraged are everyone, to go get yourself at least one backup screen

reader, if nothing else go for a demo. It further might help the tech

team of NVDA getting to the core of your problem, if you can describe

what is taken place when running an alternative screen reader.

 

 

How do you know, if you prefer McDonald burgers, if you never tasted

anything but Burger-King?

 

 

David

 

 

 

On 12/5/2016 5:22 PM, nasrin khaksar wrote:

> gene.

> thanks so much for helping me to test the program.

> i dont have any screen reader except nvda to test.

> me too, use windows xp service pack 3

> you dont need to use nvda cursors to intract with potplayer menus.

> you should only press the application keys and you can access to all

> menus and options by normal arrow keys.

> only nvda freezes and says nothing in the windows except unknown.

> i should restart nvda to work as normal.

> On 12/5/16, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

>> Well, this thread has taken an interesting turn that I hadn't ever

>> anticipated (and, to quote Seinfeld, "not that there's anything wrong with

>> that.")

>> 

>> So I'll use this to get back on my soapbox about when anyone encounters an

>> issue with any software or combination of software:

>> 

>> * if you cannot give steps necessary to replicate the problem there's

>> virtually no hope that the problem can or will be solved

>> * if you can give steps necessary to replicate the problem, but others

>> running the same operating system and similar overall configuration that you

>> are don't have it when they perform those steps, this suggests an

>> idiosyncratic problem with your own system

>> 

>> I cannot count the number of times when I've spent hours on a given problem

>> only to find out that it was a weird interaction between two programs that

>> are installed, that a system has not been updated and old DLL files are

>> being called that have errors that have long ago been fixed, etc.

>> 

>> I'm not saying that anyone is directly "at fault" for anything, but these

>> are factors that you must consider and there will be occasions when "it's

>> just you" as well as many more when it's "not just you."  Having a

>> detective's mindset is essential in instances such as this.

>> --

>> *Brian*

>> 

>> *Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If

>> you’re alive, it isn’t.*

>> 

>>     ~ Lauren Bacall

>> 

 

 

 

 


Re: My NVDA Not Working Properly

Dejan Ristic
 

Let me express myself once more, please,


I've just taken a look at the English US entry, and I find all the three Ivens. What to say to that? Is it possible that our friend member is encountering an error?

On 12/5/2016 11:01 PM, Dejan Ristic wrote:
Thank you for teaching me some new NVDA-related things.


I used to use Iven, and in order to prevent outbursts, I decreased the volume level down to 40%, and it worked smoothly for me.


On 12/5/2016 10:42 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
Ahh, I see. I only had a single ivan, because I was looking under the english us. The 3 ivan voices are under the entry that just says english. Now it makes sense. That was I was wondering where the other ivan voices were, they don't show up under the english us setting, only under the english by itself. Got it now. Think I'll stick with the ivan I have, it's slightly louder than the other 2, and slightly deeper, which I like very much.



On 12/5/2016 3:56 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
Hi

If the E speak nz is the preferred synth package under the synth
settings, I only notice the varients come up under the voice settings
section. I just looked and saw all 3 ivon voices there. Even though i am
using a windows 10 pc it should not matter.

There is about 40 or 50 voices or varients under that section.

If it is the sapi 5 version they might have to be installed if they are
there.

if not what is mentioned above i have no idea.

I can tell you if you made extra varients where to put them, but that is
not maybe you are asking about.

Gene nz

On 6/12/2016 9:05 AM, Travis Siegel wrote:
Yeah, I know that. I was specifically asking where the ivan3 voice
was, because I only see 1 ivan voice, uneer the espeak ng synthesizer.
You didn't answer my question.



On 12/5/2016 2:40 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
hi


Under the voice settings section when you go into it under the barient
section it is a combo box open it up then arrow down the list to hear
the different varients there. the voices will change depending on the
synth package used.


I find my own voice Gene easy to listen 2.


Gene nz



On 6/12/2016 8:05 AM, Travis Siegel wrote:
I didn't know there was more than one ivan. I use ivan as well, but I
only saw one of them in the list of voices. This is using the espeak
ng. I like the ivan voice, where are the others so I may take a look
at them as well?



On 12/5/2016 2:29 AM, Dejan Ristic wrote:
Although you said that you did not understand ESpeak, what do you
think about using some of the variants it offers us? For instance, I
use Iven 3, which I find very clear. I have set the rate at 24. I do
not encounter any problems, probably because I use ESpeak, which I
find very quick and responsive. Try to get used to it. Your messages
say that your English is very good, so I think that you may get used
to it before long. Choose between the variants, and try different
rates to make it suitable for yourself. Let me also say that I used
ESpeak while doing some freelace translations from English to
Serbian, and vice versa. I was successful.


On 12/5/2016 5:28 AM, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:
Hi good people:
If you can recollect, I did send a message to this group about my
NVDA
not working properly. I did get many responses, and I thank all of
you who found time to respond. I am sorry I mistakenly deleted the
digest mail sent to me, and I can not reply to the mail. But I
believe some of you might remember the mail.
Actually, I got a very good response from David. He made some
suggestions which I've tried. I discovered when I switched off NVDa
as he suggested, and I used the demo version of JAWS for Windows,
that
the system worked very nicely, and fast.
I strongly believe that the problem must be from the synthesiser I am
using. Actually, I use Micro sofft speech AI4 which I use through
viavoice outloud. I appear to like the synthesiser, because it is
very clear and it sounds like eloquence. But it appears obsolete and
not very helpful.
I can't use the JAWS demo version, because it works in 40 minute
mode,
and one cannot usee that when doing serious work on the computer.
I downloaded Microsoft speech version 11 but it couldn't be installed
on my system. I did it several times but it didn't work. i cannot
use ESpeak, because I don't understand the speech. I tried koba
speech as well, but the speech for that is also not very easy to
comprehend.
So, can anyone suggest another synthesiser. I use windows 7 32bit.
I am Ibrahim from Nigeria.



.












Re: NVDA Paid Tutorials?

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Chris,

So far we have two modules available:

Basic Training for NVDA
and
Microsoft Word with NVDA

Both are available in electronic text formats, and the Basic Training is available in Braille.  The audio version of the Basic Training module is just about ready (apologies - it has taken longer than anticipated).  I'll be sure and write to the list when the audio is available and otherwise everything that is available can be purchased from http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 3:13 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:
I asked this earlier, but I'm wonderring if my message made it to the list, as my E-mail client was being really dumb at that time.


I'm very very interested in purchasing the audio tutorials which were done for NVDA. I speak not of the ones for Microsoft Word, which are like, $30. I'm talking about the ones which were made specifically for the opperation of NVDA itself.


I tried Googling, but I'm not having a whole lot of luck.


Can someone give me a link to get more information, and make a purchase?


Chris.







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Direct: +61 413 904 383
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Re: My NVDA Not Working Properly

Dejan Ristic
 

Thank you for teaching me some new NVDA-related things.


I used to use Iven, and in order to prevent outbursts, I decreased the volume level down to 40%, and it worked smoothly for me.

On 12/5/2016 10:42 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
Ahh, I see. I only had a single ivan, because I was looking under the english us. The 3 ivan voices are under the entry that just says english. Now it makes sense. That was I was wondering where the other ivan voices were, they don't show up under the english us setting, only under the english by itself. Got it now. Think I'll stick with the ivan I have, it's slightly louder than the other 2, and slightly deeper, which I like very much.



On 12/5/2016 3:56 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
Hi

If the E speak nz is the preferred synth package under the synth
settings, I only notice the varients come up under the voice settings
section. I just looked and saw all 3 ivon voices there. Even though i am
using a windows 10 pc it should not matter.

There is about 40 or 50 voices or varients under that section.

If it is the sapi 5 version they might have to be installed if they are
there.

if not what is mentioned above i have no idea.

I can tell you if you made extra varients where to put them, but that is
not maybe you are asking about.

Gene nz

On 6/12/2016 9:05 AM, Travis Siegel wrote:
Yeah, I know that. I was specifically asking where the ivan3 voice
was, because I only see 1 ivan voice, uneer the espeak ng synthesizer.
You didn't answer my question.



On 12/5/2016 2:40 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
hi


Under the voice settings section when you go into it under the barient
section it is a combo box open it up then arrow down the list to hear
the different varients there. the voices will change depending on the
synth package used.


I find my own voice Gene easy to listen 2.


Gene nz



On 6/12/2016 8:05 AM, Travis Siegel wrote:
I didn't know there was more than one ivan. I use ivan as well, but I
only saw one of them in the list of voices. This is using the espeak
ng. I like the ivan voice, where are the others so I may take a look
at them as well?



On 12/5/2016 2:29 AM, Dejan Ristic wrote:
Although you said that you did not understand ESpeak, what do you
think about using some of the variants it offers us? For instance, I
use Iven 3, which I find very clear. I have set the rate at 24. I do
not encounter any problems, probably because I use ESpeak, which I
find very quick and responsive. Try to get used to it. Your messages
say that your English is very good, so I think that you may get used
to it before long. Choose between the variants, and try different
rates to make it suitable for yourself. Let me also say that I used
ESpeak while doing some freelace translations from English to
Serbian, and vice versa. I was successful.


On 12/5/2016 5:28 AM, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:
Hi good people:
If you can recollect, I did send a message to this group about my
NVDA
not working properly. I did get many responses, and I thank all of
you who found time to respond. I am sorry I mistakenly deleted the
digest mail sent to me, and I can not reply to the mail. But I
believe some of you might remember the mail.
Actually, I got a very good response from David. He made some
suggestions which I've tried. I discovered when I switched off NVDa
as he suggested, and I used the demo version of JAWS for Windows,
that
the system worked very nicely, and fast.
I strongly believe that the problem must be from the synthesiser I am
using. Actually, I use Micro sofft speech AI4 which I use through
viavoice outloud. I appear to like the synthesiser, because it is
very clear and it sounds like eloquence. But it appears obsolete and
not very helpful.
I can't use the JAWS demo version, because it works in 40 minute
mode,
and one cannot usee that when doing serious work on the computer.
I downloaded Microsoft speech version 11 but it couldn't be installed
on my system. I did it several times but it didn't work. i cannot
use ESpeak, because I don't understand the speech. I tried koba
speech as well, but the speech for that is also not very easy to
comprehend.
So, can anyone suggest another synthesiser. I use windows 7 32bit.
I am Ibrahim from Nigeria.



.








Re: My NVDA Not Working Properly

Dejan Ristic
 

Friend,


Your question is answered. Iven 3 is in the list where you find the Iven you have talked about. Hit I to switch between the Ivens. Try it as patiently as you can, but, if you cannot find it, then, report them as missing in your list, so that you may be given further help.

On 12/5/2016 9:05 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
Yeah, I know that. I was specifically asking where the ivan3 voice was, because I only see 1 ivan voice, uneer the espeak ng synthesizer. You didn't answer my question.



On 12/5/2016 2:40 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
hi


Under the voice settings section when you go into it under the barient
section it is a combo box open it up then arrow down the list to hear
the different varients there. the voices will change depending on the
synth package used.


I find my own voice Gene easy to listen 2.


Gene nz



On 6/12/2016 8:05 AM, Travis Siegel wrote:
I didn't know there was more than one ivan. I use ivan as well, but I
only saw one of them in the list of voices. This is using the espeak
ng. I like the ivan voice, where are the others so I may take a look
at them as well?



On 12/5/2016 2:29 AM, Dejan Ristic wrote:
Although you said that you did not understand ESpeak, what do you
think about using some of the variants it offers us? For instance, I
use Iven 3, which I find very clear. I have set the rate at 24. I do
not encounter any problems, probably because I use ESpeak, which I
find very quick and responsive. Try to get used to it. Your messages
say that your English is very good, so I think that you may get used
to it before long. Choose between the variants, and try different
rates to make it suitable for yourself. Let me also say that I used
ESpeak while doing some freelace translations from English to
Serbian, and vice versa. I was successful.


On 12/5/2016 5:28 AM, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:
Hi good people:
If you can recollect, I did send a message to this group about my NVDA
not working properly. I did get many responses, and I thank all of
you who found time to respond. I am sorry I mistakenly deleted the
digest mail sent to me, and I can not reply to the mail. But I
believe some of you might remember the mail.
Actually, I got a very good response from David. He made some
suggestions which I've tried. I discovered when I switched off NVDa
as he suggested, and I used the demo version of JAWS for Windows, that
the system worked very nicely, and fast.
I strongly believe that the problem must be from the synthesiser I am
using. Actually, I use Micro sofft speech AI4 which I use through
viavoice outloud. I appear to like the synthesiser, because it is
very clear and it sounds like eloquence. But it appears obsolete and
not very helpful.
I can't use the JAWS demo version, because it works in 40 minute mode,
and one cannot usee that when doing serious work on the computer.
I downloaded Microsoft speech version 11 but it couldn't be installed
on my system. I did it several times but it didn't work. i cannot
use ESpeak, because I don't understand the speech. I tried koba
speech as well, but the speech for that is also not very easy to
comprehend.
So, can anyone suggest another synthesiser. I use windows 7 32bit.
I am Ibrahim from Nigeria.



.







.


Re: My NVDA Not Working Properly

Dejan Ristic
 

Open the voice settings menu. Tab once to the list of the voice variants. Press the letter I to find the three Ivens in the list. There are: Iven, Iven 2, and Iven 3, the last of which I use.


Note:


You will need to use ESpeak NG so that this help may take effect.

On 12/5/2016 8:05 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
I didn't know there was more than one ivan. I use ivan as well, but I only saw one of them in the list of voices. This is using the espeak ng. I like the ivan voice, where are the others so I may take a look at them as well?



On 12/5/2016 2:29 AM, Dejan Ristic wrote:
Although you said that you did not understand ESpeak, what do you think about using some of the variants it offers us? For instance, I use Iven 3, which I find very clear. I have set the rate at 24. I do not encounter any problems, probably because I use ESpeak, which I find very quick and responsive. Try to get used to it. Your messages say that your English is very good, so I think that you may get used to it before long. Choose between the variants, and try different rates to make it suitable for yourself. Let me also say that I used ESpeak while doing some freelace translations from English to Serbian, and vice versa. I was successful.


On 12/5/2016 5:28 AM, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:
Hi good people:
If you can recollect, I did send a message to this group about my NVDA
not working properly. I did get many responses, and I thank all of
you who found time to respond. I am sorry I mistakenly deleted the
digest mail sent to me, and I can not reply to the mail. But I
believe some of you might remember the mail.
Actually, I got a very good response from David. He made some
suggestions which I've tried. I discovered when I switched off NVDa
as he suggested, and I used the demo version of JAWS for Windows, that
the system worked very nicely, and fast.
I strongly believe that the problem must be from the synthesiser I am
using. Actually, I use Micro sofft speech AI4 which I use through
viavoice outloud. I appear to like the synthesiser, because it is
very clear and it sounds like eloquence. But it appears obsolete and
not very helpful.
I can't use the JAWS demo version, because it works in 40 minute mode,
and one cannot usee that when doing serious work on the computer.
I downloaded Microsoft speech version 11 but it couldn't be installed
on my system. I did it several times but it didn't work. i cannot
use ESpeak, because I don't understand the speech. I tried koba
speech as well, but the speech for that is also not very easy to
comprehend.
So, can anyone suggest another synthesiser. I use windows 7 32bit.
I am Ibrahim from Nigeria.



.






.


Re: My NVDA Not Working Properly

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Ahh, I see. I only had a single ivan, because I was looking under the english us. The 3 ivan voices are under the entry that just says english. Now it makes sense. That was I was wondering where the other ivan voices were, they don't show up under the english us setting, only under the english by itself. Got it now. Think I'll stick with the ivan I have, it's slightly louder than the other 2, and slightly deeper, which I like very much.

On 12/5/2016 3:56 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
Hi

If the E speak nz is the preferred synth package under the synth
settings, I only notice the varients come up under the voice settings
section. I just looked and saw all 3 ivon voices there. Even though i am
using a windows 10 pc it should not matter.

There is about 40 or 50 voices or varients under that section.

If it is the sapi 5 version they might have to be installed if they are
there.

if not what is mentioned above i have no idea.

I can tell you if you made extra varients where to put them, but that is
not maybe you are asking about.

Gene nz

On 6/12/2016 9:05 AM, Travis Siegel wrote:
Yeah, I know that. I was specifically asking where the ivan3 voice
was, because I only see 1 ivan voice, uneer the espeak ng synthesizer.
You didn't answer my question.



On 12/5/2016 2:40 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
hi


Under the voice settings section when you go into it under the barient
section it is a combo box open it up then arrow down the list to hear
the different varients there. the voices will change depending on the
synth package used.


I find my own voice Gene easy to listen 2.


Gene nz



On 6/12/2016 8:05 AM, Travis Siegel wrote:
I didn't know there was more than one ivan. I use ivan as well, but I
only saw one of them in the list of voices. This is using the espeak
ng. I like the ivan voice, where are the others so I may take a look
at them as well?



On 12/5/2016 2:29 AM, Dejan Ristic wrote:
Although you said that you did not understand ESpeak, what do you
think about using some of the variants it offers us? For instance, I
use Iven 3, which I find very clear. I have set the rate at 24. I do
not encounter any problems, probably because I use ESpeak, which I
find very quick and responsive. Try to get used to it. Your messages
say that your English is very good, so I think that you may get used
to it before long. Choose between the variants, and try different
rates to make it suitable for yourself. Let me also say that I used
ESpeak while doing some freelace translations from English to
Serbian, and vice versa. I was successful.


On 12/5/2016 5:28 AM, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:
Hi good people:
If you can recollect, I did send a message to this group about my
NVDA
not working properly. I did get many responses, and I thank all of
you who found time to respond. I am sorry I mistakenly deleted the
digest mail sent to me, and I can not reply to the mail. But I
believe some of you might remember the mail.
Actually, I got a very good response from David. He made some
suggestions which I've tried. I discovered when I switched off NVDa
as he suggested, and I used the demo version of JAWS for Windows,
that
the system worked very nicely, and fast.
I strongly believe that the problem must be from the synthesiser I am
using. Actually, I use Micro sofft speech AI4 which I use through
viavoice outloud. I appear to like the synthesiser, because it is
very clear and it sounds like eloquence. But it appears obsolete and
not very helpful.
I can't use the JAWS demo version, because it works in 40 minute
mode,
and one cannot usee that when doing serious work on the computer.
I downloaded Microsoft speech version 11 but it couldn't be installed
on my system. I did it several times but it didn't work. i cannot
use ESpeak, because I don't understand the speech. I tried koba
speech as well, but the speech for that is also not very easy to
comprehend.
So, can anyone suggest another synthesiser. I use windows 7 32bit.
I am Ibrahim from Nigeria.



.





Re: wanted free synth for my nvda

Casey <cwollner@...>
 

Hi the vine3 voice that was talked about hear in this message.


--
Casey


Re: Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

Gene
 

There is an interesting discussion about an earlier version of the player and NVDA as well as without NVDA here.
 
The player may have had and may still have one or more issues that should be addressed by the developers. 
 
Whetehr one or more issues you discuss is an NVDA issue or whether the issues are entirely issues with the player, I don't know.  but the player had at least one serious issue in the past and we don't know if it has been addressed.
 
I would suggest that you tell the list what you are looking for in terms of abilities and functionality in a player and see what responses you get. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and the next RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

Also, what version of the player are you using?  My version had no menus and the screen was not readable.  If you are using an older version, accessibility may have changed.  If you are using a newer version, accessibility may have changed as well. I assumed I was using the latest version because I downloaded it from the site.  but your very different description of the program interface raises the question of which version you are using.  My version is 1.6.6385619.7.
 
Also, you said you tried various players and didn't like them.  if you explain why, you might find there are ways around what you didn't like or that you didn't know some commands that would make the programs much more friendly.  Even the positive review I read, which talked about many features of the program the reviewer liked, discussed features that would only be of interest to sighted users such as controling how subtitles are displayed and other visual features of the program.  The reviewer compared the program to VLC player, saying it did some things better but saying it was similar to VLC Player.  It is seldom the case that, in an area like this, with such a wide variety of programs that there is only one satisfactory program. 
 
Also, there may be ways of getting more out of a program than you are aware of.  For example, there is an add on for Winamp available for use with NVDA which provides more functionality than is available without the program. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
> gene.
> thanks so much for helping me to test the program.
> i dont have any screen reader except nvda to test.
> me too, use windows xp service pack 3
> you dont need to use nvda cursors to intract with potplayer menus.
> you should only press the application keys and you can access to all
> menus and options by normal arrow keys.
> only nvda freezes and says nothing in the windows except unknown.
> i should restart nvda to work as normal.
>
> On 12/5/16, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
>> Well, this thread has taken an interesting turn that I hadn't ever
>> anticipated (and, to quote Seinfeld, "not that there's anything wrong with
>> that.")
>>
>> So I'll use this to get back on my soapbox about when anyone encounters an
>> issue with any software or combination of software:
>>
>> * if you cannot give steps necessary to replicate the problem there's
>> virtually no hope that the problem can or will be solved
>> * if you can give steps necessary to replicate the problem, but others
>> running the same operating system and similar overall configuration that you
>> are don't have it when they perform those steps, this suggests an
>> idiosyncratic problem with your own system
>>
>> I cannot count the number of times when I've spent hours on a given problem
>> only to find out that it was a weird interaction between two programs that
>> are installed, that a system has not been updated and old DLL files are
>> being called that have errors that have long ago been fixed, etc.
>>
>> I'm not saying that anyone is directly "at fault" for anything, but these
>> are factors that you must consider and there will be occasions when "it's
>> just you" as well as many more when it's "not just you."  Having a
>> detective's mindset is essential in instances such as this.
>> --
>> *Brian*
>>
>> *Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If
>> you’re alive, it isn’t.*
>>
>>     ~ Lauren Bacall
>>
>





Re: My NVDA Not Working Properly

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi

If the E speak nz is the preferred synth package under the synth
settings, I only notice the varients come up under the voice settings
section. I just looked and saw all 3 ivon voices there. Even though i am
using a windows 10 pc it should not matter.

There is about 40 or 50 voices or varients under that section.

If it is the sapi 5 version they might have to be installed if they are
there.

if not what is mentioned above i have no idea.

I can tell you if you made extra varients where to put them, but that is
not maybe you are asking about.

Gene nz

On 6/12/2016 9:05 AM, Travis Siegel wrote:
Yeah, I know that. I was specifically asking where the ivan3 voice
was, because I only see 1 ivan voice, uneer the espeak ng synthesizer.
You didn't answer my question.



On 12/5/2016 2:40 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
hi


Under the voice settings section when you go into it under the barient
section it is a combo box open it up then arrow down the list to hear
the different varients there. the voices will change depending on the
synth package used.


I find my own voice Gene easy to listen 2.


Gene nz



On 6/12/2016 8:05 AM, Travis Siegel wrote:
I didn't know there was more than one ivan. I use ivan as well, but I
only saw one of them in the list of voices. This is using the espeak
ng. I like the ivan voice, where are the others so I may take a look
at them as well?



On 12/5/2016 2:29 AM, Dejan Ristic wrote:
Although you said that you did not understand ESpeak, what do you
think about using some of the variants it offers us? For instance, I
use Iven 3, which I find very clear. I have set the rate at 24. I do
not encounter any problems, probably because I use ESpeak, which I
find very quick and responsive. Try to get used to it. Your messages
say that your English is very good, so I think that you may get used
to it before long. Choose between the variants, and try different
rates to make it suitable for yourself. Let me also say that I used
ESpeak while doing some freelace translations from English to
Serbian, and vice versa. I was successful.


On 12/5/2016 5:28 AM, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:
Hi good people:
If you can recollect, I did send a message to this group about my
NVDA
not working properly. I did get many responses, and I thank all of
you who found time to respond. I am sorry I mistakenly deleted the
digest mail sent to me, and I can not reply to the mail. But I
believe some of you might remember the mail.
Actually, I got a very good response from David. He made some
suggestions which I've tried. I discovered when I switched off NVDa
as he suggested, and I used the demo version of JAWS for Windows,
that
the system worked very nicely, and fast.
I strongly believe that the problem must be from the synthesiser I am
using. Actually, I use Micro sofft speech AI4 which I use through
viavoice outloud. I appear to like the synthesiser, because it is
very clear and it sounds like eloquence. But it appears obsolete and
not very helpful.
I can't use the JAWS demo version, because it works in 40 minute
mode,
and one cannot usee that when doing serious work on the computer.
I downloaded Microsoft speech version 11 but it couldn't be installed
on my system. I did it several times but it didn't work. i cannot
use ESpeak, because I don't understand the speech. I tried koba
speech as well, but the speech for that is also not very easy to
comprehend.
So, can anyone suggest another synthesiser. I use windows 7 32bit.
I am Ibrahim from Nigeria.



.







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