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Re: about balabolka and nvda.

 

my problem is with selection and for this reason i dont know which
line or word i am selecting, shurely i cant copy peist my desires.

On 3/20/16, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
hi.
thanks for your answer.
i have problem with selection.
in text editor like notepad, akelpad, wordpad i can press shift with
down arrow key and nvda say selection.
when i press control shift right i can select word and nvda reads my
selection.
but unfortunately in balabolka does not say any of my selections and i
cant understand what do i do.

On 3/20/16, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com> wrote:
Hi Group,

I have just opened a PDF file in Balabolka and I have had no problems
with reading, navigation or copy/paste.

I have used it in the past to convert lengthy text files and other
formats such as PDF, EPub and HTML to synthesized speech using the
Microsoft default voice of choice. I have the new legal Eloquence SAPI
5 version which does a great job of interacting with the software. On
older slower computers: XP and early Windows 7, I did have a problem
with the program crashing when I tried converting lengthy text and other
format files to speech. On my newer Windows 8.1 8 core with 16 GB RAM,
I have no such issues.

Just what types of problems are you people having with the interface?

On 3/20/2016 5:46 AM, Kostadin Kolev wrote:
Hello,

Working with text from within Balabolka is not screen reader friendly.
At least not when using NVDA.
But you can open a file (e.g. PDF) in Balabolka, select the whole text
content with Control+A and copy it to the clipboard with Control+C.
Note however, that NVDA will not report that you have selected any
text. Then you can paste the copied text in some accessible text
editor like Notepad, AkelPad, Notepad++, etc. and work with it from
there.
Alternatively, after opening the file in Balabolka, you can save it to
plain text file (*.txt) from menu File -> Save as in Balabolka and
choose "Text File" from the "Save as type" combo box in the "Save as"
dialog. Then you can opened the saved plain text (*.txt) file in any
accessible plain text editor (Notepad, AkelPad, Notepad++, etc.) and
work with it from there.
Note however, that Balabolka's text extraction methods don't preserve
some formating information, including the page breaks and the pages
get merged in one large file with in some cases no distinction between
pages. In most cases however, there is at least one blank line between
pages, so you'll be able to distinct them from one another.
Even with all those suggestions for workarounds however, I strongly
suggest you to firstly try to open the PDF files in Acrobat Reader DC
and work with the text from within it, before trying any other PDF
viewer like Balabolka. Acrobat Reader DC is free and can be downloaded
from Adobe's website. You can copy text from PDF files from Acrobat
Reader DC, unless the PDF file in question is protected in a way that
prevents text copying to work at all. But in such a case, I doubt that
you be able to extract/copy text from such a PDF file even with
another PDF viewer like Balabolka for example.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

На 20.3.2016 г. в 10:52, nasrin khaksar написа:
hi every one.
i realy appreciate you if someone help me to learn how to use
balabolka, select words lines pages and copy and peist my selection.
i need working with pdf documents and now the only solution for me is
balabolka.
because sumatra is not accessible until now.
thanks so much and god bless you.

On 3/19/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
I've had little luck with this software either, so don't think its
just
you.

I suspect there is probably a distinct version which we have to use,
but I
do not know which it is and where to get it!
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 4:02 AM
Subject: [nvda] about balabolka and nvda.


hi every one.
i use balabolka and tried many versions of it.
but unfortunately i cant use it by nvda easily.
for example: when i want to select one character, one word, one line
and press shift left and right, shift control left and right, shift
up
and shift down nvda does not announce anything and i cant understand
what do i am doing.
who can teach me to solve this problem?
thanks for your help and god bless you.

--
Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins
them
good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things
and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their
burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for] those who
believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which
has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org












--
Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins them
good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things
and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their
burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for] those who
believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which
has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org
--
Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins them
good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things
and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their
burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for] those who
believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which
has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: google chrome comment

Gene
 

I have never seen a browser named Chrome discussed that doesn't refer to the google browser.  I would assume that is the one intended unless the writer specifies otherwise. 
 
Gene
 
Gene

From: Pete
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 1:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] google chrome comment

 
  Some clarification please for what variant of chrome is being discussed!  E.G.  google chrome  /  chromewin32  /  etc...


On 3/19/2016 8:12 AM, Gene wrote:
As far as streaming is concerned, that may be the result of what the browser is using as its default streaming program.  Chrome uses HTML5 for streaming on Youtube, for example.  I don't know what Firefox or Internet Explorer uses.  If either one uses Flash as the default streaming player, then results may differ.  Also, we don't know anything about your connection reliability and speed.  I don't like Flash but I don't have pauses, in general, when sites use it to stream. 
 
If Chrome does load pages faster on some sites, that would be something that many users would have to verify. 
If Firefox were significantly slower than Chrome, a lot or most of its long time users, sighted and blind, would have abandoned it by now. 
 
Taking twenty or thirty secondes to load web pages would have resulted in a lot of discussion on list of blind computer users and I have seen none.  I'm not saying that there is no difference.  There may be differences on some pages but nothing like twenty seconds.  And I suspect the differences are so minor that a lot of people don't base their browser use on them. 
 
I'm glad you clarified your point about using more than one browser.  It is important that blind users keep this in mind.  It is also not proper methodology to generalize in terms of performance based on one person's experience.  If someone says that in their experience, they have found this or that, that's one thing.  But blanket statements shouldn't be made that Chrome is faster based on one user's experience.  There are too many factors that might cause differences to generalize. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 3:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] google chrome comment

Hi all,
I must clear something up. I do not advocate dumping one browser for another. Actually, I use IE 11, Firefox, and Google Chrome. Each browser is best for certain web sites and also what you use the browser for. For example, I like using the mobile Facebook site on IE 11 better than the other two browsers. However, when I play YouTube videos, I like Chrome much better, because the video never pauses or stops altogether. I use Firefox for my banking site. It is good to have two or three browsers, because a web site may act totally different in one browser than in another. On both of my computers running win10, Chrome loads most web pages at least 20 seconds faster than in Firefox and 30 seconds faster than IE 11. It could be my laptops and set up as well. My advise is to have as many tools at your disposal as possible so you can do as many jobs as you can. Take care, and have a great one.
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] google chrome comment
 
Yes, if you want to spend an unreasonable amount to solve captchas.  Rumola is much much cheaper and Webvisum can still be used with earlier versions of NVDA.  If you put a portable version of Firefox on your machine that is version 43 or lower, you can still use Webvisum on sites that require captchas to be solved and you can use the current version of Firefox on all other sites.  It may be that for someone who solves many captchas, this might not be as good a solution but for many, it may be a reasonable one.
 
I keep seeing, David, your claim that Chrome is faster.  How many machines have you compared Fire fox with Chrome?  I doubt that there is any meaningful difference.  I like the Firefox interface more and Firefox has many more popular add ons.  I am very skeptical that dumping firefox is necessarily a good idea and without meaningful comparisons, I shall remain skeptical that there is a meaningful difference in speed. 
 
I have Chrome on my computers because there are sites, now and then, where I get better access with it.  I use Firefox as my main browser. 
 
And as far as streaming is concerned, the browser doesn't stream.  Whatever player is used streams.  I am, again, very skeptical that Chrome is any better at streaming. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] google chrome comment
 
There is a new service that will launch soonn called captha Be Gone by
the Mongoose himself Chris Taugh. Check out his brief demo and interview
about on ACB Radio's Main Menu from March 4th.

On 3/18/2016 5:20 PM, Mallard wrote:
> Hello there,
>
> But Webvisum doesn't work on Chrome... How do you solve captchas on
> sites where there is no audio captcha option, or on those that
> supposedly have it, but when you click on it nothing happens?
>
> I hate Rumola... It never worked here, so I would avoid it.
> Ciao,
> Ollie
>
>
>
>
> Il 18/03/2016 21:34, David Moore ha scritto:
>> Hi scott,
>> I am so glad for you. I have Chrome as my default browser as well,
>> and it is so much faster. The same web site loads up twice as fast,
>> and Chrome is great for streaming. If I can be of more help to any of
>> you, just let me know. Have a great one.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Scott VanDeWalle
>> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 12:40 PM
>> To: nvda@groups.io
>> Subject: [nvda] google chrome comment
>>
>> I'd just like to let yall know i'm up with google chrome now.
>> It seems very very good for the most part.
>> I don't know what the issue was when i tried it before.
>> But, i even set it as my default browser.
>> I still hope edge becomes better because i like to use cortana and if i
>> remember correctly google and cortana don't really work good together,
>> especially when your search engine is not bing.com and the browser edge.
>> Or will the extention chromtana or whatever its called do the same
>> thing?
>> And, again, thanks for the suggestions from  yall and thanks again to
>> David for the tutorial.
>> Just fyi, it stays on my computer and no futher.. smile.
>> thanks
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>





Re: about balabolka and nvda.

 

hi.
thanks for your answer.
i have problem with selection.
in text editor like notepad, akelpad, wordpad i can press shift with
down arrow key and nvda say selection.
when i press control shift right i can select word and nvda reads my selection.
but unfortunately in balabolka does not say any of my selections and i
cant understand what do i do.

On 3/20/16, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com> wrote:
Hi Group,

I have just opened a PDF file in Balabolka and I have had no problems
with reading, navigation or copy/paste.

I have used it in the past to convert lengthy text files and other
formats such as PDF, EPub and HTML to synthesized speech using the
Microsoft default voice of choice. I have the new legal Eloquence SAPI
5 version which does a great job of interacting with the software. On
older slower computers: XP and early Windows 7, I did have a problem
with the program crashing when I tried converting lengthy text and other
format files to speech. On my newer Windows 8.1 8 core with 16 GB RAM,
I have no such issues.

Just what types of problems are you people having with the interface?

On 3/20/2016 5:46 AM, Kostadin Kolev wrote:
Hello,

Working with text from within Balabolka is not screen reader friendly.
At least not when using NVDA.
But you can open a file (e.g. PDF) in Balabolka, select the whole text
content with Control+A and copy it to the clipboard with Control+C.
Note however, that NVDA will not report that you have selected any
text. Then you can paste the copied text in some accessible text
editor like Notepad, AkelPad, Notepad++, etc. and work with it from
there.
Alternatively, after opening the file in Balabolka, you can save it to
plain text file (*.txt) from menu File -> Save as in Balabolka and
choose "Text File" from the "Save as type" combo box in the "Save as"
dialog. Then you can opened the saved plain text (*.txt) file in any
accessible plain text editor (Notepad, AkelPad, Notepad++, etc.) and
work with it from there.
Note however, that Balabolka's text extraction methods don't preserve
some formating information, including the page breaks and the pages
get merged in one large file with in some cases no distinction between
pages. In most cases however, there is at least one blank line between
pages, so you'll be able to distinct them from one another.
Even with all those suggestions for workarounds however, I strongly
suggest you to firstly try to open the PDF files in Acrobat Reader DC
and work with the text from within it, before trying any other PDF
viewer like Balabolka. Acrobat Reader DC is free and can be downloaded
from Adobe's website. You can copy text from PDF files from Acrobat
Reader DC, unless the PDF file in question is protected in a way that
prevents text copying to work at all. But in such a case, I doubt that
you be able to extract/copy text from such a PDF file even with
another PDF viewer like Balabolka for example.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

На 20.3.2016 г. в 10:52, nasrin khaksar написа:
hi every one.
i realy appreciate you if someone help me to learn how to use
balabolka, select words lines pages and copy and peist my selection.
i need working with pdf documents and now the only solution for me is
balabolka.
because sumatra is not accessible until now.
thanks so much and god bless you.

On 3/19/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
I've had little luck with this software either, so don't think its just
you.

I suspect there is probably a distinct version which we have to use,
but I
do not know which it is and where to get it!
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 4:02 AM
Subject: [nvda] about balabolka and nvda.


hi every one.
i use balabolka and tried many versions of it.
but unfortunately i cant use it by nvda easily.
for example: when i want to select one character, one word, one line
and press shift left and right, shift control left and right, shift up
and shift down nvda does not announce anything and i cant understand
what do i am doing.
who can teach me to solve this problem?
thanks for your help and god bless you.

--
Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins them
good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things
and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their
burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for] those who
believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which
has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org











--
Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins them
good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things
and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their
burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for] those who
believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which
has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: Clarification: screen reader name change and its impact

Pete <emac00@...>
 

 
  It makes sense to me. 
  Thanks  Pete 


On 3/19/2016 1:36 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

 

Some of you asked why can’t NV Access change the name of NVDA to something else. Here are the reasons why (some of them technical):

·         NVDA is a desktop program (not a WinRT or universal app), thus the name “NonVisual Desktop Access” makes sense.

·         NVDA was originally designed to access desktop programs. With the advent of Windows Runtime (WinRT) and Universal Windows Platform (UWP), NvDA developers (including I) are working on enhanced support for new style of apps.

·         Add-on extensions: With the assumption that NVDA will stand for “NonVisual Desktop Access”, the extension of add-ons has been defined as “nvda-addon”. Changing the name of the screen reader will cause confusion for add-on authors, especially those overseeing community add-ons website and are charged with reviewing new add-ons (I’m an add-on author and serve as a reviewer, and I’m the current quarterly add-on release coordinator/manager, tasked with consulting other add-on authors as to what should go into seasonal maintenance versions of various add-ons).

Thus, when we do change a screen reader’s name, not only it impacts users, but also its brand image, technical side of things and so on.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,

Joseph



Re: Need help with a local TV website with NVDA

Gene
 

That's good.  I may try that method.  It may be the only way to use the site with a browser.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----

 
From: Stephen
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need help with a local TV website with NVDA

Yes I have tried the site, it is workable with grease monkey and kill windowless flash installed, but you have to use object navigation with the flash portion.
At 12:25 PM 3/20/2016, you wrote:
Have you tried the site?  I have tried Grease Monkey and Kill Windowless Flash now and then.  I seem to recall that it doesn't work on this kind of player.  Some things are just plain inaccessible.  As I said, it's a vague memory and I may be wrong but my recollection of this kind of player is that it is just not accessible.
 
gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 6:51 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need help with a local TV website with NVDA

Ok, that's good.
Next, you need to install a mozilla addon called Grease monkey.
www.greasespot.net
After that, you must install an addon called "kill windowless flash"
http://userscripts-mirror.org/scripts/show/120211
Tell me when you have completed those steps and I'll instruct you on
what to do next.
Cheers.
At 09:53 AM 3/20/2016, you wrote:
>I'm already running Flash non IE version 21.
>
>On 3/19/2016 5:16 PM, Stephen wrote:
>>Hi there.
>>Unfortunately, you'll have to update your version of adobe flash
>>Go here to do this and click on the Flash Player for Firefox - NPAPI link
>> https://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/kb/installation-problems-flash-player-windows.html
>>
>>Let me know if it helps, if not, we will try something else.
>>At 06:17 AM 3/20/2016, you wrote:
>>>Hi, Lino,
>>>
>>>I'll play with it right now and see if I can figure it out. I'll
>>>let you all know what happens.
>>>
>>>Rosemarie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On 3/19/2016 9:09 AM, Lino Morales wrote:
>>>>I'm about to pull out what's left of my hair out. Could anyone
>>>>help me? I can't figure out what our local ABC affiliate in
>>>>Charlotte NC did to their flash settings. the website is:
>>>> www.wsoctv.com
>>>>Find the heading link labeled watch live. It used to play
>>>>straight away, but as of yesterday it doesn't.There is a
>>>>clickable imbeded object. I went into focus mode and hit numbpad
>>>>enter and nothing happens. Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>



Re: about balabolka and nvda.

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

I have just opened a PDF file in Balabolka and I have had no problems
with reading, navigation or copy/paste.

I have used it in the past to convert lengthy text files and other
formats such as PDF, EPub and HTML to synthesized speech using the
Microsoft default voice of choice. I have the new legal Eloquence SAPI
5 version which does a great job of interacting with the software. On
older slower computers: XP and early Windows 7, I did have a problem
with the program crashing when I tried converting lengthy text and other
format files to speech. On my newer Windows 8.1 8 core with 16 GB RAM,
I have no such issues.

Just what types of problems are you people having with the interface?

On 3/20/2016 5:46 AM, Kostadin Kolev wrote:
Hello,

Working with text from within Balabolka is not screen reader friendly.
At least not when using NVDA.
But you can open a file (e.g. PDF) in Balabolka, select the whole text
content with Control+A and copy it to the clipboard with Control+C.
Note however, that NVDA will not report that you have selected any
text. Then you can paste the copied text in some accessible text
editor like Notepad, AkelPad, Notepad++, etc. and work with it from
there.
Alternatively, after opening the file in Balabolka, you can save it to
plain text file (*.txt) from menu File -> Save as in Balabolka and
choose "Text File" from the "Save as type" combo box in the "Save as"
dialog. Then you can opened the saved plain text (*.txt) file in any
accessible plain text editor (Notepad, AkelPad, Notepad++, etc.) and
work with it from there.
Note however, that Balabolka's text extraction methods don't preserve
some formating information, including the page breaks and the pages
get merged in one large file with in some cases no distinction between
pages. In most cases however, there is at least one blank line between
pages, so you'll be able to distinct them from one another.
Even with all those suggestions for workarounds however, I strongly
suggest you to firstly try to open the PDF files in Acrobat Reader DC
and work with the text from within it, before trying any other PDF
viewer like Balabolka. Acrobat Reader DC is free and can be downloaded
from Adobe's website. You can copy text from PDF files from Acrobat
Reader DC, unless the PDF file in question is protected in a way that
prevents text copying to work at all. But in such a case, I doubt that
you be able to extract/copy text from such a PDF file even with
another PDF viewer like Balabolka for example.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

На 20.3.2016 г. в 10:52, nasrin khaksar написа:
hi every one.
i realy appreciate you if someone help me to learn how to use
balabolka, select words lines pages and copy and peist my selection.
i need working with pdf documents and now the only solution for me is
balabolka.
because sumatra is not accessible until now.
thanks so much and god bless you.

On 3/19/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
I've had little luck with this software either, so don't think its just
you.

I suspect there is probably a distinct version which we have to use,
but I
do not know which it is and where to get it!
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 4:02 AM
Subject: [nvda] about balabolka and nvda.


hi every one.
i use balabolka and tried many versions of it.
but unfortunately i cant use it by nvda easily.
for example: when i want to select one character, one word, one line
and press shift left and right, shift control left and right, shift up
and shift down nvda does not announce anything and i cant understand
what do i am doing.
who can teach me to solve this problem?
thanks for your help and god bless you.

--
Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins them
good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things
and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their
burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for] those who
believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which
has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org








Re: google chrome comment

Pete <emac00@...>
 

default streaming program.  Chrome uses HTML5
---cut---
is there a html5 installable for firefox? 
---cut---


On 3/20/2016 8:15 AM, David Moore wrote:
We are just discussing Google Chrome browser.
 
 
From: Pete
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 3:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] google chrome comment
 


On 3/20/2016 2:45 AM, Pete wrote:

  Some clarification please for what variant of chrome is being discussed!  E.G.  google chrome  /  chromewin32  /  etc...


On 3/19/2016 8:12 AM, Gene wrote:
As far as streaming is concerned, that may be the result of what the browser is using as its default streaming program.  Chrome uses HTML5
---cut---
is there a html5 installable for firefox? 
---cut---

for streaming on Youtube, for example.  I don't know what Firefox or Internet Explorer uses.  If either one uses Flash as the default streaming player, then results may differ.  Also, we don't know anything about your connection reliability and speed.  I don't like Flash but I don't have pauses, in general, when sites use it to stream. 
 
If Chrome does load pages faster on some sites, that would be something that many users would have to verify. 
If Firefox were significantly slower than Chrome, a lot or most of its long time users, sighted and blind, would have abandoned it by now. 
 
Taking twenty or thirty secondes to load web pages would have resulted in a lot of discussion on list of blind computer users and I have seen none.  I'm not saying that there is no difference.  There may be differences on some pages but nothing like twenty seconds.  And I suspect the differences are so minor that a lot of people don't base their browser use on them. 
 
I'm glad you clarified your point about using more than one browser.  It is important that blind users keep this in mind.  It is also not proper methodology to generalize in terms of performance based on one person's experience.  If someone says that in their experience, they have found this or that, that's one thing.  But blanket statements shouldn't be made that Chrome is faster based on one user's experience.  There are too many factors that might cause differences to generalize. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 3:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] google chrome comment
 
Hi all,
I must clear something up. I do not advocate dumping one browser for another. Actually, I use IE 11, Firefox, and Google Chrome. Each browser is best for certain web sites and also what you use the browser for. For example, I like using the mobile Facebook site on IE 11 better than the other two browsers. However, when I play YouTube videos, I like Chrome much better, because the video never pauses or stops altogether. I use Firefox for my banking site. It is good to have two or three browsers, because a web site may act totally different in one browser than in another. On both of my computers running win10, Chrome loads most web pages at least 20 seconds faster than in Firefox and 30 seconds faster than IE 11. It could be my laptops and set up as well. My advise is to have as many tools at your disposal as possible so you can do as many jobs as you can. Take care, and have a great one.
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] google chrome comment
 
Yes, if you want to spend an unreasonable amount to solve captchas.  Rumola is much much cheaper and Webvisum can still be used with earlier versions of NVDA.  If you put a portable version of Firefox on your machine that is version 43 or lower, you can still use Webvisum on sites that require captchas to be solved and you can use the current version of Firefox on all other sites.  It may be that for someone who solves many captchas, this might not be as good a solution but for many, it may be a reasonable one.
 
I keep seeing, David, your claim that Chrome is faster.  How many machines have you compared Fire fox with Chrome?  I doubt that there is any meaningful difference.  I like the Firefox interface more and Firefox has many more popular add ons.  I am very skeptical that dumping firefox is necessarily a good idea and without meaningful comparisons, I shall remain skeptical that there is a meaningful difference in speed. 
 
I have Chrome on my computers because there are sites, now and then, where I get better access with it.  I use Firefox as my main browser. 
 
And as far as streaming is concerned, the browser doesn't stream.  Whatever player is used streams.  I am, again, very skeptical that Chrome is any better at streaming. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] google chrome comment
 
There is a new service that will launch soonn called captha Be Gone by
the Mongoose himself Chris Taugh. Check out his brief demo and interview
about on ACB Radio's Main Menu from March 4th.

On 3/18/2016 5:20 PM, Mallard wrote:
> Hello there,
>
> But Webvisum doesn't work on Chrome... How do you solve captchas on
> sites where there is no audio captcha option, or on those that
> supposedly have it, but when you click on it nothing happens?
>
> I hate Rumola... It never worked here, so I would avoid it.
> Ciao,
> Ollie
>
>
>
>
> Il 18/03/2016 21:34, David Moore ha scritto:
>> Hi scott,
>> I am so glad for you. I have Chrome as my default browser as well,
>> and it is so much faster. The same web site loads up twice as fast,
>> and Chrome is great for streaming. If I can be of more help to any of
>> you, just let me know. Have a great one.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Scott VanDeWalle
>> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 12:40 PM
>> To: nvda@groups.io
>> Subject: [nvda] google chrome comment
>>
>> I'd just like to let yall know i'm up with google chrome now.
>> It seems very very good for the most part.
>> I don't know what the issue was when i tried it before.
>> But, i even set it as my default browser.
>> I still hope edge becomes better because i like to use cortana and if i
>> remember correctly google and cortana don't really work good together,
>> especially when your search engine is not bing.com and the browser edge.
>> Or will the extention chromtana or whatever its called do the same
>> thing?
>> And, again, thanks for the suggestions from  yall and thanks again to
>> David for the tutorial.
>> Just fyi, it stays on my computer and no futher.. smile.
>> thanks
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>







Re: google chrome comment

David Moore
 

We are just discussing Google Chrome browser.
 
 

From: Pete
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 3:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] google chrome comment
 


On 3/20/2016 2:45 AM, Pete wrote:

  Some clarification please for what variant of chrome is being discussed!  E.G.  google chrome  /  chromewin32  /  etc...


On 3/19/2016 8:12 AM, Gene wrote:
As far as streaming is concerned, that may be the result of what the browser is using as its default streaming program.  Chrome uses HTML5
---cut---
is there a html5 installable for firefox? 
---cut---

for streaming on Youtube, for example.  I don't know what Firefox or Internet Explorer uses.  If either one uses Flash as the default streaming player, then results may differ.  Also, we don't know anything about your connection reliability and speed.  I don't like Flash but I don't have pauses, in general, when sites use it to stream. 
 
If Chrome does load pages faster on some sites, that would be something that many users would have to verify. 
If Firefox were significantly slower than Chrome, a lot or most of its long time users, sighted and blind, would have abandoned it by now. 
 
Taking twenty or thirty secondes to load web pages would have resulted in a lot of discussion on list of blind computer users and I have seen none.  I'm not saying that there is no difference.  There may be differences on some pages but nothing like twenty seconds.  And I suspect the differences are so minor that a lot of people don't base their browser use on them. 
 
I'm glad you clarified your point about using more than one browser.  It is important that blind users keep this in mind.  It is also not proper methodology to generalize in terms of performance based on one person's experience.  If someone says that in their experience, they have found this or that, that's one thing.  But blanket statements shouldn't be made that Chrome is faster based on one user's experience.  There are too many factors that might cause differences to generalize. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 3:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] google chrome comment
 
Hi all,
I must clear something up. I do not advocate dumping one browser for another. Actually, I use IE 11, Firefox, and Google Chrome. Each browser is best for certain web sites and also what you use the browser for. For example, I like using the mobile Facebook site on IE 11 better than the other two browsers. However, when I play YouTube videos, I like Chrome much better, because the video never pauses or stops altogether. I use Firefox for my banking site. It is good to have two or three browsers, because a web site may act totally different in one browser than in another. On both of my computers running win10, Chrome loads most web pages at least 20 seconds faster than in Firefox and 30 seconds faster than IE 11. It could be my laptops and set up as well. My advise is to have as many tools at your disposal as possible so you can do as many jobs as you can. Take care, and have a great one.
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] google chrome comment
 
Yes, if you want to spend an unreasonable amount to solve captchas.  Rumola is much much cheaper and Webvisum can still be used with earlier versions of NVDA.  If you put a portable version of Firefox on your machine that is version 43 or lower, you can still use Webvisum on sites that require captchas to be solved and you can use the current version of Firefox on all other sites.  It may be that for someone who solves many captchas, this might not be as good a solution but for many, it may be a reasonable one.
 
I keep seeing, David, your claim that Chrome is faster.  How many machines have you compared Fire fox with Chrome?  I doubt that there is any meaningful difference.  I like the Firefox interface more and Firefox has many more popular add ons.  I am very skeptical that dumping firefox is necessarily a good idea and without meaningful comparisons, I shall remain skeptical that there is a meaningful difference in speed. 
 
I have Chrome on my computers because there are sites, now and then, where I get better access with it.  I use Firefox as my main browser. 
 
And as far as streaming is concerned, the browser doesn't stream.  Whatever player is used streams.  I am, again, very skeptical that Chrome is any better at streaming. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] google chrome comment
 
There is a new service that will launch soonn called captha Be Gone by
the Mongoose himself Chris Taugh. Check out his brief demo and interview
about on ACB Radio's Main Menu from March 4th.

On 3/18/2016 5:20 PM, Mallard wrote:
> Hello there,
>
> But Webvisum doesn't work on Chrome... How do you solve captchas on
> sites where there is no audio captcha option, or on those that
> supposedly have it, but when you click on it nothing happens?
>
> I hate Rumola... It never worked here, so I would avoid it.
> Ciao,
> Ollie
>
>
>
>
> Il 18/03/2016 21:34, David Moore ha scritto:
>> Hi scott,
>> I am so glad for you. I have Chrome as my default browser as well,
>> and it is so much faster. The same web site loads up twice as fast,
>> and Chrome is great for streaming. If I can be of more help to any of
>> you, just let me know. Have a great one.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Scott VanDeWalle
>> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 12:40 PM
>> To: nvda@groups.io
>> Subject: [nvda] google chrome comment
>>
>> I'd just like to let yall know i'm up with google chrome now.
>> It seems very very good for the most part.
>> I don't know what the issue was when i tried it before.
>> But, i even set it as my default browser.
>> I still hope edge becomes better because i like to use cortana and if i
>> remember correctly google and cortana don't really work good together,
>> especially when your search engine is not bing.com and the browser edge.
>> Or will the extention chromtana or whatever its called do the same
>> thing?
>> And, again, thanks for the suggestions from  yall and thanks again to
>> David for the tutorial.
>> Just fyi, it stays on my computer and no futher.. smile.
>> thanks
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>






Re: google chrome comment

Aravind R
 

and chrome has a screen reader add on called chrome vox

On 3/20/16, David Moore <jesusloves1966@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
What you type into form fields is now read. That has really improved. Have a
great one.


From: Christopher Bartlett
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 7:49 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] google chrome comment

A few questions:

1. I love the Firefox reader mode. Does Chrome have something equivalent?

2. In the past, I've had problems not being able to hear what I type in
form fields? Has this improved?


Chris Bartlett

--
nothing is difficult unless you make it appear so.

r. aravind,

Assistant manager
Department of sales
bank of baroda retail loan factory, Chennai.
mobile no: +91 9940369593, 9710945613.
email id : aravind_069@yahoo.com, aravind.andhrabank@gmail.com.


Re: google chrome comment

David Moore
 

Hi,
What you type into form fields is now read. That has really improved. Have a great one.
 
 

Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] google chrome comment
 
A few questions:
1.  I love the Firefox reader mode.  Does Chrome have something equivalent?
2.  In the past, I've had problems not being able to hear what I type in form fields?  Has this improved?

Chris Bartlett


Re: google chrome comment

Christopher Bartlett
 

A few questions:
1.  I love the Firefox reader mode.  Does Chrome have something equivalent?
2.  In the past, I've had problems not being able to hear what I type in form fields?  Has this improved?

Chris Bartlett


Re: Mary TTS in other languages (was: SpeechHub matters - answers to recent questions)

Arno Schuh
 

Even if so - if it only needs to put some files into a specific folder to add another voice, no update of the main software is needed.
Of course if recompiling the whole software is needed for any additional Mary TTS voice - forget it.

Am Samstag, 19. März 2016 11:50 schrieb Devin Prater <r.d.t.prater@gmail.com>:

Hasn't speechhub basically been abandoned?

Sent from my iPhone


Windows Live mail

Peter Beasley
 

I know this is probably not an NVDA issue, but when reading messages in my in box, in order to save me having to listen to the subject line again, I hit the tab key and the message is read. If I go to another foulder such as the junk foulder, I cannot do this.


Re: about balabolka and nvda.

 

Hello,

Working with text from within Balabolka is not screen reader friendly. At least not when using NVDA.
But you can open a file (e.g. PDF) in Balabolka, select the whole text content with Control+A and copy it to the clipboard with Control+C. Note however, that NVDA will not report that you have selected any text. Then you can paste the copied text in some accessible text editor like Notepad, AkelPad, Notepad++, etc. and work with it from there.
Alternatively, after opening the file in Balabolka, you can save it to plain text file (*.txt) from menu File -> Save as in Balabolka and choose "Text File" from the "Save as type" combo box in the "Save as" dialog. Then you can opened the saved plain text (*.txt) file in any accessible plain text editor (Notepad, AkelPad, Notepad++, etc.) and work with it from there.
Note however, that Balabolka's text extraction methods don't preserve some formating information, including the page breaks and the pages get merged in one large file with in some cases no distinction between pages. In most cases however, there is at least one blank line between pages, so you'll be able to distinct them from one another.
Even with all those suggestions for workarounds however, I strongly suggest you to firstly try to open the PDF files in Acrobat Reader DC and work with the text from within it, before trying any other PDF viewer like Balabolka. Acrobat Reader DC is free and can be downloaded from Adobe's website. You can copy text from PDF files from Acrobat Reader DC, unless the PDF file in question is protected in a way that prevents text copying to work at all. But in such a case, I doubt that you be able to extract/copy text from such a PDF file even with another PDF viewer like Balabolka for example.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

На 20.3.2016 г. в 10:52, nasrin khaksar написа:

hi every one.
i realy appreciate you if someone help me to learn how to use
balabolka, select words lines pages and copy and peist my selection.
i need working with pdf documents and now the only solution for me is
balabolka.
because sumatra is not accessible until now.
thanks so much and god bless you.

On 3/19/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
I've had little luck with this software either, so don't think its just
you.

I suspect there is probably a distinct version which we have to use, but I
do not know which it is and where to get it!
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 4:02 AM
Subject: [nvda] about balabolka and nvda.


hi every one.
i use balabolka and tried many versions of it.
but unfortunately i cant use it by nvda easily.
for example: when i want to select one character, one word, one line
and press shift left and right, shift control left and right, shift up
and shift down nvda does not announce anything and i cant understand
what do i am doing.
who can teach me to solve this problem?
thanks for your help and god bless you.

--
Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins them
good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things
and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their
burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for] those who
believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which
has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org





Re: about balabolka and nvda.

 

hi every one.
i realy appreciate you if someone help me to learn how to use
balabolka, select words lines pages and copy and peist my selection.
i need working with pdf documents and now the only solution for me is
balabolka.
because sumatra is not accessible until now.
thanks so much and god bless you.

On 3/19/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
I've had little luck with this software either, so don't think its just
you.

I suspect there is probably a distinct version which we have to use, but I
do not know which it is and where to get it!
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 4:02 AM
Subject: [nvda] about balabolka and nvda.


hi every one.
i use balabolka and tried many versions of it.
but unfortunately i cant use it by nvda easily.
for example: when i want to select one character, one word, one line
and press shift left and right, shift control left and right, shift up
and shift down nvda does not announce anything and i cant understand
what do i am doing.
who can teach me to solve this problem?
thanks for your help and god bless you.

--
Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins them
good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things
and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their
burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for] those who
believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which
has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org





--
Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins them
good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things
and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their
burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for] those who
believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which
has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


confused about all of the screen reader voices out there

Isaac <bigikemusic@...>
 

what is the difference in the code factory and neuonce vocalizer, and what is the difference in the eloquence sold as a sapi product and the eloquence addon, and is the sapi eloquence sapi 5 and how do people like it.
Thanks


Re: google chrome comment

Pete <emac00@...>
 



On 3/20/2016 2:45 AM, Pete wrote:
 
  Some clarification please for what variant of chrome is being discussed!  E.G.  google chrome  /  chromewin32  /  etc...


On 3/19/2016 8:12 AM, Gene wrote:
As far as streaming is concerned, that may be the result of what the browser is using as its default streaming program.  Chrome uses HTML5
---cut---
is there a html5 installable for firefox? 
---cut---

for streaming on Youtube, for example.  I don't know what Firefox or Internet Explorer uses.  If either one uses Flash as the default streaming player, then results may differ.  Also, we don't know anything about your connection reliability and speed.  I don't like Flash but I don't have pauses, in general, when sites use it to stream. 
 
If Chrome does load pages faster on some sites, that would be something that many users would have to verify. 
If Firefox were significantly slower than Chrome, a lot or most of its long time users, sighted and blind, would have abandoned it by now. 
 
Taking twenty or thirty secondes to load web pages would have resulted in a lot of discussion on list of blind computer users and I have seen none.  I'm not saying that there is no difference.  There may be differences on some pages but nothing like twenty seconds.  And I suspect the differences are so minor that a lot of people don't base their browser use on them. 
 
I'm glad you clarified your point about using more than one browser.  It is important that blind users keep this in mind.  It is also not proper methodology to generalize in terms of performance based on one person's experience.  If someone says that in their experience, they have found this or that, that's one thing.  But blanket statements shouldn't be made that Chrome is faster based on one user's experience.  There are too many factors that might cause differences to generalize. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 3:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] google chrome comment

Hi all,
I must clear something up. I do not advocate dumping one browser for another. Actually, I use IE 11, Firefox, and Google Chrome. Each browser is best for certain web sites and also what you use the browser for. For example, I like using the mobile Facebook site on IE 11 better than the other two browsers. However, when I play YouTube videos, I like Chrome much better, because the video never pauses or stops altogether. I use Firefox for my banking site. It is good to have two or three browsers, because a web site may act totally different in one browser than in another. On both of my computers running win10, Chrome loads most web pages at least 20 seconds faster than in Firefox and 30 seconds faster than IE 11. It could be my laptops and set up as well. My advise is to have as many tools at your disposal as possible so you can do as many jobs as you can. Take care, and have a great one.
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] google chrome comment
 
Yes, if you want to spend an unreasonable amount to solve captchas.  Rumola is much much cheaper and Webvisum can still be used with earlier versions of NVDA.  If you put a portable version of Firefox on your machine that is version 43 or lower, you can still use Webvisum on sites that require captchas to be solved and you can use the current version of Firefox on all other sites.  It may be that for someone who solves many captchas, this might not be as good a solution but for many, it may be a reasonable one.
 
I keep seeing, David, your claim that Chrome is faster.  How many machines have you compared Fire fox with Chrome?  I doubt that there is any meaningful difference.  I like the Firefox interface more and Firefox has many more popular add ons.  I am very skeptical that dumping firefox is necessarily a good idea and without meaningful comparisons, I shall remain skeptical that there is a meaningful difference in speed. 
 
I have Chrome on my computers because there are sites, now and then, where I get better access with it.  I use Firefox as my main browser. 
 
And as far as streaming is concerned, the browser doesn't stream.  Whatever player is used streams.  I am, again, very skeptical that Chrome is any better at streaming. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] google chrome comment
 
There is a new service that will launch soonn called captha Be Gone by
the Mongoose himself Chris Taugh. Check out his brief demo and interview
about on ACB Radio's Main Menu from March 4th.

On 3/18/2016 5:20 PM, Mallard wrote:
> Hello there,
>
> But Webvisum doesn't work on Chrome... How do you solve captchas on
> sites where there is no audio captcha option, or on those that
> supposedly have it, but when you click on it nothing happens?
>
> I hate Rumola... It never worked here, so I would avoid it.
> Ciao,
> Ollie
>
>
>
>
> Il 18/03/2016 21:34, David Moore ha scritto:
>> Hi scott,
>> I am so glad for you. I have Chrome as my default browser as well,
>> and it is so much faster. The same web site loads up twice as fast,
>> and Chrome is great for streaming. If I can be of more help to any of
>> you, just let me know. Have a great one.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Scott VanDeWalle
>> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 12:40 PM
>> To: nvda@groups.io
>> Subject: [nvda] google chrome comment
>>
>> I'd just like to let yall know i'm up with google chrome now.
>> It seems very very good for the most part.
>> I don't know what the issue was when i tried it before.
>> But, i even set it as my default browser.
>> I still hope edge becomes better because i like to use cortana and if i
>> remember correctly google and cortana don't really work good together,
>> especially when your search engine is not bing.com and the browser edge.
>> Or will the extention chromtana or whatever its called do the same
>> thing?
>> And, again, thanks for the suggestions from  yall and thanks again to
>> David for the tutorial.
>> Just fyi, it stays on my computer and no futher.. smile.
>> thanks
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>






Re: google chrome comment

Doug Oliver
 


can someone please get me a link to David's tutorial on Chrome?
Thanks,
Doug.
 
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Pete
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 1:57 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] google chrome comment



On 3/19/2016 2:11 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
A few things that are really nice with Chrome:
  1. Flash is built-in and updates automatically
  2. ---cut---
I thought it was using html 5 to play flash? 
---cut---

  1. If signed in: extensions, bookmarks, history, etc. are synchronized to all other Chrome where you're signed in.
  2. Accessible on multi-OS, multi-screen readers, etc.

On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 11:03 AM Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:

I tried the page you mentioned in FireFox and Chrome and initially, there did seem to be a problem with the Chrome version in that it only seemed to be partially loaded.  I pressed Control+f5 and it appeared to fix the problem  This reloads the page from the web site rather than using f5 alone which reloads the page from memory.  Your English is much better than my Swedish but I tried the 'Lägg in annons' link which opened up a form which I was able to read and navigate the same way in both FireFox and Chrome.  .

I've only been using Chrome a few weeks, having become interested after listening to a tutorial by David Moore, a fellow list member.  David covers working with forms in Chrome, so it may by worth a listen.  There is a learning curve with any new piece of software and I have taken some time to put some notes together about navigating and setting up Chrome, which I can send you if you wish.

Cheers
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: Alexander Masic [mailto:list@...]
Sent: 19 March 2016 15:49
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] google chrome comment

Hi, Let's take as an example. We have an very popular sight here in Sweden call www.blocket.se It is an sight were people are selling used thing. Like Cars, mobiles, coputers electronics, apartment, simply, you can find everything there.
We have a such of hate/love to that webbsight.
However when i tryed to add an adds, it was more or less impossible to do it with Crome. I must use firefox. And there seems to be problems with loading page.
OK. i agree on that, if you simply want to read on newssight, then it works  pritty well.
However it is not fair to say that Crome is working very well to people who  are new and wondering. OK. for you techgais that could be nice to play and workaround. But an mayourity of people just whant that things should work as expected. and you cant say that about Crome.


Den 2016-03-19 kl. 13:42, skrev Chris Mullins:
> We're obviously having a different experience.  What difficulties ar you having?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alexander Masic [mailto:list@...]
> Sent: 19 March 2016 11:49
> To: nvda@groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] google chrome comment
>
> It works. but not very well.
>
>
> Den 2016-03-19 kl. 12:02, skrev Chris Mullins:
>> Google Chrome is a browser in it's own right and works very well with NVDA 2016.1 and Windows 7.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Chris
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Arlene [mailto:nedster66@...]
>> Sent: 18 March 2016 22:50
>> To: nvda@groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] google chrome comment
>>
>> Hi, Will Chrome work on both IE and Firefox. Or is it a browser like IE  and Fire Fox. Sorry this sounds dumb!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: David Moore [mailto:jesusloves1966@...]
>> Sent: March-18-16 1:35 PM
>> To: nvda@groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] google chrome comment
>>
>> Hi scott,
>> I am so glad for you. I have Chrome as my default browser as well, and it is so much faster. The same web site loads up twice as fast, and Chrome is great for streaming. If I can be of more help to any of you, just let me know. Have a great one.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Scott VanDeWalle
>> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 12:40 PM
>> To: nvda@groups.io
>> Subject: [nvda] google chrome comment
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>> I'd just like to let yall know i'm up with google chrome now.
>> It seems very very good for the most part.
>> I don't know what the issue was when i tried it before.
>> But, i even set it as my default browser.
>> I still hope edge becomes better because i like to use cortana and if i remember correctly google and cortana don't really work good together, especially when your search engine is not bing.com and the browser edge.
>> Or will the extention chromtana or whatever its called do the same thing?
>> And, again, thanks for the suggestions from  yall and thanks again to David for the tutorial.
>> Just fyi, it stays on my computer and no futher.. smile.
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Re: google chrome comment

Pete <emac00@...>
 



On 3/19/2016 2:11 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
A few things that are really nice with Chrome:
  1. Flash is built-in and updates automatically
  2. ---cut---
I thought it was using html 5 to play flash? 
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  1. If signed in: extensions, bookmarks, history, etc. are synchronized to all other Chrome where you're signed in.
  2. Accessible on multi-OS, multi-screen readers, etc.

On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 11:03 AM Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:

I tried the page you mentioned in FireFox and Chrome and initially, there did seem to be a problem with the Chrome version in that it only seemed to be partially loaded.  I pressed Control+f5 and it appeared to fix the problem  This reloads the page from the web site rather than using f5 alone which reloads the page from memory.  Your English is much better than my Swedish but I tried the 'Lägg in annons' link which opened up a form which I was able to read and navigate the same way in both FireFox and Chrome.  .

I've only been using Chrome a few weeks, having become interested after listening to a tutorial by David Moore, a fellow list member.  David covers working with forms in Chrome, so it may by worth a listen.  There is a learning curve with any new piece of software and I have taken some time to put some notes together about navigating and setting up Chrome, which I can send you if you wish.

Cheers
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: Alexander Masic [mailto:list@...]
Sent: 19 March 2016 15:49
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] google chrome comment

Hi, Let's take as an example. We have an very popular sight here in Sweden call www.blocket.se It is an sight were people are selling used thing. Like Cars, mobiles, coputers electronics, apartment, simply, you can find everything there.
We have a such of hate/love to that webbsight.
However when i tryed to add an adds, it was more or less impossible to do it with Crome. I must use firefox. And there seems to be problems with loading page.
OK. i agree on that, if you simply want to read on newssight, then it works  pritty well.
However it is not fair to say that Crome is working very well to people who  are new and wondering. OK. for you techgais that could be nice to play and workaround. But an mayourity of people just whant that things should work as expected. and you cant say that about Crome.


Den 2016-03-19 kl. 13:42, skrev Chris Mullins:
> We're obviously having a different experience.  What difficulties ar you having?
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> Cheers
> Chris
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alexander Masic [mailto:list@...]
> Sent: 19 March 2016 11:49
> To: nvda@groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] google chrome comment
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> It works. but not very well.
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> Den 2016-03-19 kl. 12:02, skrev Chris Mullins:
>> Google Chrome is a browser in it's own right and works very well with NVDA 2016.1 and Windows 7.
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>> Cheers
>> Chris
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Arlene [mailto:nedster66@...]
>> Sent: 18 March 2016 22:50
>> To: nvda@groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] google chrome comment
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>> Hi, Will Chrome work on both IE and Firefox. Or is it a browser like IE  and Fire Fox. Sorry this sounds dumb!
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: David Moore [mailto:jesusloves1966@...]
>> Sent: March-18-16 1:35 PM
>> To: nvda@groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] google chrome comment
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>> Hi scott,
>> I am so glad for you. I have Chrome as my default browser as well, and it is so much faster. The same web site loads up twice as fast, and Chrome is great for streaming. If I can be of more help to any of you, just let me know. Have a great one.
>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Scott VanDeWalle
>> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 12:40 PM
>> To: nvda@groups.io
>> Subject: [nvda] google chrome comment
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>> I'd just like to let yall know i'm up with google chrome now.
>> It seems very very good for the most part.
>> I don't know what the issue was when i tried it before.
>> But, i even set it as my default browser.
>> I still hope edge becomes better because i like to use cortana and if i remember correctly google and cortana don't really work good together, especially when your search engine is not bing.com and the browser edge.
>> Or will the extention chromtana or whatever its called do the same thing?
>> And, again, thanks for the suggestions from  yall and thanks again to David for the tutorial.
>> Just fyi, it stays on my computer and no futher.. smile.
>> thanks
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Re: google chrome comment

Pete <emac00@...>
 

 
  Some clarification please for what variant of chrome is being discussed!  E.G.  google chrome  /  chromewin32  /  etc...


On 3/19/2016 8:12 AM, Gene wrote:
As far as streaming is concerned, that may be the result of what the browser is using as its default streaming program.  Chrome uses HTML5 for streaming on Youtube, for example.  I don't know what Firefox or Internet Explorer uses.  If either one uses Flash as the default streaming player, then results may differ.  Also, we don't know anything about your connection reliability and speed.  I don't like Flash but I don't have pauses, in general, when sites use it to stream. 
 
If Chrome does load pages faster on some sites, that would be something that many users would have to verify. 
If Firefox were significantly slower than Chrome, a lot or most of its long time users, sighted and blind, would have abandoned it by now. 
 
Taking twenty or thirty secondes to load web pages would have resulted in a lot of discussion on list of blind computer users and I have seen none.  I'm not saying that there is no difference.  There may be differences on some pages but nothing like twenty seconds.  And I suspect the differences are so minor that a lot of people don't base their browser use on them. 
 
I'm glad you clarified your point about using more than one browser.  It is important that blind users keep this in mind.  It is also not proper methodology to generalize in terms of performance based on one person's experience.  If someone says that in their experience, they have found this or that, that's one thing.  But blanket statements shouldn't be made that Chrome is faster based on one user's experience.  There are too many factors that might cause differences to generalize. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 3:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] google chrome comment

Hi all,
I must clear something up. I do not advocate dumping one browser for another. Actually, I use IE 11, Firefox, and Google Chrome. Each browser is best for certain web sites and also what you use the browser for. For example, I like using the mobile Facebook site on IE 11 better than the other two browsers. However, when I play YouTube videos, I like Chrome much better, because the video never pauses or stops altogether. I use Firefox for my banking site. It is good to have two or three browsers, because a web site may act totally different in one browser than in another. On both of my computers running win10, Chrome loads most web pages at least 20 seconds faster than in Firefox and 30 seconds faster than IE 11. It could be my laptops and set up as well. My advise is to have as many tools at your disposal as possible so you can do as many jobs as you can. Take care, and have a great one.
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] google chrome comment
 
Yes, if you want to spend an unreasonable amount to solve captchas.  Rumola is much much cheaper and Webvisum can still be used with earlier versions of NVDA.  If you put a portable version of Firefox on your machine that is version 43 or lower, you can still use Webvisum on sites that require captchas to be solved and you can use the current version of Firefox on all other sites.  It may be that for someone who solves many captchas, this might not be as good a solution but for many, it may be a reasonable one.
 
I keep seeing, David, your claim that Chrome is faster.  How many machines have you compared Fire fox with Chrome?  I doubt that there is any meaningful difference.  I like the Firefox interface more and Firefox has many more popular add ons.  I am very skeptical that dumping firefox is necessarily a good idea and without meaningful comparisons, I shall remain skeptical that there is a meaningful difference in speed. 
 
I have Chrome on my computers because there are sites, now and then, where I get better access with it.  I use Firefox as my main browser. 
 
And as far as streaming is concerned, the browser doesn't stream.  Whatever player is used streams.  I am, again, very skeptical that Chrome is any better at streaming. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] google chrome comment
 
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On 3/18/2016 5:20 PM, Mallard wrote:
> Hello there,
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> But Webvisum doesn't work on Chrome... How do you solve captchas on
> sites where there is no audio captcha option, or on those that
> supposedly have it, but when you click on it nothing happens?
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> I hate Rumola... It never worked here, so I would avoid it.
> Ciao,
> Ollie
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> Il 18/03/2016 21:34, David Moore ha scritto:
>> Hi scott,
>> I am so glad for you. I have Chrome as my default browser as well,
>> and it is so much faster. The same web site loads up twice as fast,
>> and Chrome is great for streaming. If I can be of more help to any of
>> you, just let me know. Have a great one.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Scott VanDeWalle
>> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 12:40 PM
>> To: nvda@groups.io
>> Subject: [nvda] google chrome comment
>>
>> I'd just like to let yall know i'm up with google chrome now.
>> It seems very very good for the most part.
>> I don't know what the issue was when i tried it before.
>> But, i even set it as my default browser.
>> I still hope edge becomes better because i like to use cortana and if i
>> remember correctly google and cortana don't really work good together,
>> especially when your search engine is not bing.com and the browser edge.
>> Or will the extention chromtana or whatever its called do the same
>> thing?
>> And, again, thanks for the suggestions from  yall and thanks again to
>> David for the tutorial.
>> Just fyi, it stays on my computer and no futher.. smile.
>> thanks
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>> Scott
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