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Re: nvda rule not working in thunderbird
Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
Hi
yes as that is where your emails come into then are sorted from there to where you want them to go.
the audio tutorial basically just covered the settings under the filter i setup.
the audio tutorial is already on a drop box link and will stay there and when i write up the basic settings to set it up that way step by step i will then link the audio tutorial to the accessible email client mozilla thunder bird page.
that part will be added in the next day or so and will let people know when it goes up..
there is so many ways you can set the filter depending if you want stuff like subject line, etc etc.
I only setup the filter on the account i wanted to use it on, but i can set it to send to other email accounts which i did not do.
Best bet is listen to the audio tutorial to follow it so you know what to do.
You can always have a look around in the different sections there to get a idea of what you can do.
But doing it by email from the list is the easiest way.
Gene nz
On 7/12/2016 12:49 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
-- <b>Check out the new location of my accessibility central website for NVDA tutorials, NVDA road tested programs, and other eyesight related topics. http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ If you would like to keep up to date with whats being updated on our website, you can also follow us on facebook by visiting the following link https://en-gb.facebook.com/people/AccessibilityCentral-Net/100009727930216 Also, check out which New Zealand libraries have the NVDA screen reader available by visiting the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
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Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported?
#NVDARelease
Uh, anything that requires a so-called "simple hack" is not officially supported, period. Microsoft has declared XP support over and it's incredibly foolish to doubt their commitment to leaving it behind. Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t. ~ Lauren Bacall
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Re: nvda rule not working in thunderbird
Rosemarie Chavarria
Hi, David,
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Thanks very much for these steps. I guess it's just that thunderbird seems a bit more complicated when it comes to trying to filter messages. It's really easy in outlook. All you do is hit the applications key and arrow down to "always move messages from" and then the message you want to move. Then you hit enter and arrow down to the folder you want. Rosemarie
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 5:28 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda rule not working in thunderbird In the rule setup screen, you have one combo box, which determines whether you will be dealing with the Subject line, From field etc. In this Combo box, choose the entry that says: To From Bcc and CC That is, there is a choice that includes them all. So scroll down till you get to the choice including all of the fields. The other combo box, is the one that defines if you are looking out for cases that are completely equal to, or only in partial compares to your search string. For instance, you could choose the one that says: Contains. In the next field, the editbox, you will enter the string to lookout for. If you have chosen to look out for any strings that CONTAINS, you here could simply just enter a phrase like: NVDA. Now tab over to the combo boxes for what activity to perform on any messages that meet the requirements you have specified. Make sure to choose the entry that says: Move To. Tab again, and you will be in the combo box for determining which folder to move the message to. Here, use all your arrow keys, for making your selection of a folder. Tabbing further on, you will be given the chance to add more activities, or more rules to the message. For now, make sure to delete any further activity, you can always add such on to the rule, at a later state. In the dialog, also make sure that you perform the rule BEFORE any Junk Classification, and that it is being tied to the correct Email account. If you for instance have two mail accounts - like one Gmail and one Yahoo - you will have to tie the rule to the one account where you do receive the NVDA list messages. Attempting a rule on the wrong Email account, will cause the rule to never get into action. Both the Junk Classification, and the choice of mail account, you set near the top of the dialog. Also, please make sure you have made your correct choices on WHEN the rule is to take place. If it is to be put into action upon receiving new mail, when archiving and so forth. There will be some checkboxes for handling this, all on top of the dialog. Agreed, Thunderbird is quite demanding when setting up rules, with quite a number of fields to be filled in. Then again, once you get the meaning of it all, you will come to appreciate the powerfulness of it all. One and same rule can perform many actions, which you under other clients like Outlook Express would have to define in separate rules. Just to mention one benefit of the somehow complex setup routine. Hope any of the above would help you out, and that wyou will loose no more sleep. You might actually want to delete your non-functioning rule, and start all over with that particular rule. And, make sure your other rules do not conflict the one you are trying to perform. For instance, say you had one rule that took all mailing list messages, and dropped them into one big mailing list folder. And then you are creating your NVDA rule to look out for NVDA messages in the inbox. Your NVDA rule would never kick in, since your first rule has moved all the messages - being from a mailing list - to the mailing list folder. Your NVDA rule hence will have to be tied to the mailing list folder on your system. Hope that all made some sense. In the main dialog of all your rules, you might further have to rearrange the order the rules are carried out. near the top of that dialog, you have a list of all your rules. Scroll down to the one you want to rearrange, and tab over to the Move Up and Move down buttons, to position the rule in its correct rank. When the rules are being carried out, Thunderbird will start at top of that list, and work its way down, one rule at a time. So see if you can get it to do your NVDA stuff in its due time. David On 12/6/2016 6:11 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote: Hi, everyone,
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Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported?
#NVDARelease
Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
The embeded version of xp is still supported until 2019. You can get more information here. On 12/6/2016 11:02 AM, Brian Vogel
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On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 07:30 am, nasrin khaksar wrote:
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Re: Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported?
#NVDARelease
Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
Most programs I write work on everything from windows 95 all the way to windows 10. It's not hard. Unless you need a feature specific to a version of windows for what your program does, there's no reason to restrict it to any particular version.
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On 12/6/2016 9:23 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
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Re: Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported?
#NVDARelease
David <trailerdavid@...>
OK, sorry I don't know much other than this to try. Long as you spelled
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the narrator phrase correctly, which I am sure you have double-checked, and your Windows do not start the service. One last resort that comes to mind, have you ever considered reinstalling NVDA? I would think thare might be a way to back up all your NVDA settings, to something like a USB pen. Then completely remove the screen reader from your system. Redownload a fresh copy, and install NVDA all from scrach. Reboot, and perform your testing in the software of your choice. Something might have got broken in your installation of NVDA. And you might have incidentially changed a setting somewhere. So if you have never done a reinstallation, you hereby are encouraged. Apart from that, I am out of ideas. Hope someone else will help you out. David
On 12/6/2016 6:52 PM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
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Re: nvda rule not working in thunderbird
David <trailerdavid@...>
In the rule setup screen, you have one combo box, which determines
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whether you will be dealing with the Subject line, From field etc. In this Combo box, choose the entry that says: To From Bcc and CC That is, there is a choice that includes them all. So scroll down till you get to the choice including all of the fields. The other combo box, is the one that defines if you are looking out for cases that are completely equal to, or only in partial compares to your search string. For instance, you could choose the one that says: Contains. In the next field, the editbox, you will enter the string to lookout for. If you have chosen to look out for any strings that CONTAINS, you here could simply just enter a phrase like: NVDA. Now tab over to the combo boxes for what activity to perform on any messages that meet the requirements you have specified. Make sure to choose the entry that says: Move To. Tab again, and you will be in the combo box for determining which folder to move the message to. Here, use all your arrow keys, for making your selection of a folder. Tabbing further on, you will be given the chance to add more activities, or more rules to the message. For now, make sure to delete any further activity, you can always add such on to the rule, at a later state. In the dialog, also make sure that you perform the rule BEFORE any Junk Classification, and that it is being tied to the correct Email account. If you for instance have two mail accounts - like one Gmail and one Yahoo - you will have to tie the rule to the one account where you do receive the NVDA list messages. Attempting a rule on the wrong Email account, will cause the rule to never get into action. Both the Junk Classification, and the choice of mail account, you set near the top of the dialog. Also, please make sure you have made your correct choices on WHEN the rule is to take place. If it is to be put into action upon receiving new mail, when archiving and so forth. There will be some checkboxes for handling this, all on top of the dialog. Agreed, Thunderbird is quite demanding when setting up rules, with quite a number of fields to be filled in. Then again, once you get the meaning of it all, you will come to appreciate the powerfulness of it all. One and same rule can perform many actions, which you under other clients like Outlook Express would have to define in separate rules. Just to mention one benefit of the somehow complex setup routine. Hope any of the above would help you out, and that wyou will loose no more sleep. You might actually want to delete your non-functioning rule, and start all over with that particular rule. And, make sure your other rules do not conflict the one you are trying to perform. For instance, say you had one rule that took all mailing list messages, and dropped them into one big mailing list folder. And then you are creating your NVDA rule to look out for NVDA messages in the inbox. Your NVDA rule would never kick in, since your first rule has moved all the messages - being from a mailing list - to the mailing list folder. Your NVDA rule hence will have to be tied to the mailing list folder on your system. Hope that all made some sense. In the main dialog of all your rules, you might further have to rearrange the order the rules are carried out. near the top of that dialog, you have a list of all your rules. Scroll down to the one you want to rearrange, and tab over to the Move Up and Move down buttons, to position the rule in its correct rank. When the rules are being carried out, Thunderbird will start at top of that list, and work its way down, one rule at a time. So see if you can get it to do your NVDA stuff in its due time. David
On 12/6/2016 6:11 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
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Re: NVDA doesn't announce what shifted letter and number keys do
Chris Mullins
I disagree, this is a facility designed to give information on the key combinations used to invoke NVDA commands. What is spoken identifies the combination of keys used for the commands not what character they yield. It’s not a work around because it’s not a fault. It’s just a sensible and easy way of getting to know your keyboard.
Cheers Chris
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 6 December 2016 23:37 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't announce what shifted letter and number keys do
Since it announces letters and numbers unshifted, it is reasonable that it announce the shifted items as well. Of course, you can do what you are saying, but it is more convenient and better design if input help can announce shifted items. Your method is a work around.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Mullins Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't announce what shifted letter and number keys do
I thought input help was designed to give instructions on NVDA commands rather than keyboard layout. For keyboard layout type investigations, open a text file and switch on speak typed characters, NVDA+2.
Cheers Chris
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
I didn't realize this until now but I was playing with input help today and I found that NVDA doesn't announce what shifted number keys do nor what shifted items such as punctuation keys do. If you hold shift and press a number key, you will hear something like shift plus and then the number is announced. That doesn't give useful information. What if I wanted to find the dollar sign. I couldn't do so using input help. And I couldn't know from input help that shift slash is the question mark. I'd hear something like shift plus slash. Why is this the case and can it be changed without unreasonable effort?
Gene
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Re: Folders or Separate Accounts
Rosemarie Chavarria
Hi, Jeff,
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Years ago I took an internet course from Hadley School for the Blind and one of the lessons talked about having two separate accounts--one for personal emails and another for email lists. Hope this helps. Rosemarie
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Bohrman Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 10:24 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Folders or Separate Accounts Good Morning Everyone: I need to do something with the two lists that I am on, Win10 and NVDA, of which bo5th have v3ery heavy traffic coming into my personal account. This has caused me to miss so important messages that were not related to both lists. My main question before I decide which cours3e to take is shall I create new folders with rules or create separate Gmail accounts? Why am I asking this question..I use my iPhone a lot? If I do the former, the creation of folders with rules, what would happen in my Mail APP on my iPhone? Would I see all of the emails under my personal account or the emails for either WIN10 or NVDA not show up? So if all emails still come up under one account, then I would opt for creating two new separate Gmail accounts then. Super many thanks for your advice in advance! Jeff
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Re: Potential problem with the Remote addon
Chris Mullins
You said “hearing NVDA say pass key through, then hitting F11, I can't send an F11 key to his computer” then “He can hit F11 and obviously it works”. I took this to mean you pressed NVDA+f2 to try and bypass the sendkey operation of f11 and send it to the remote computer. If, when the guy on the remote computer presses f11 it works OK, why would you need to run an NVDA bypass command on that computer?
When a remote connection is made, the keyboard of the controlled computer works as normal, so f11 is f11. On the keyboard of the controlling computer however, the f11 key acts as a sendkey toggle, so even if you are ‘sending keys’, the f11 keypress is never transmitted to the remote computer. I suggested a double/triple keypress event as a sendkey toggle as this is more unlikely to be required by an app you are interacting with on a remote computer.
Cheers Chris
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: 6 December 2016 20:04 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Potential problem with the Remote addon
But I want the bipass command and the F11 to be executed at the remote end.
I'm not sure how much more simple to put this.
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Re: nvda rule not working in thunderbird
David Moore
Yes, I will give it a listen as well. I have never learned how to create message rules. Take care. Dave Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 6:47 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda rule not working in thunderbird
Hi, David,
I'll give a listen to Gene NZ's tutorial when it's put up in a few days. I had such a hard time with creating filters so I came back to outlook. It's a heck of a lot easier to create message rules with outlook.
Rosemarie
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Yes, that was great! Thanks a lot. David Moore Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Gene New Zealand
Hi David
hopefully it should be easy enough to follow. Even though i had already setup the message filter, using the context menu will still take you back to the way where i went through the tools then filter way.. I just figured the rule is already setup so i went in to show what sections were done if you get what I mean.
Hopefully it helps and doing it off the email was the easiest way for the nvda list.
Gene nz
On 7/12/2016 11:56 AM, David Moore wrote:
-- <b>Check out the new location of my accessibility central website for NVDA tutorials, NVDA road tested programs, and other eyesight related topics. http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ If you would like to keep up to date with whats being updated on our website, you can also follow us on facebook by visiting the following link https://en-gb.facebook.com/people/AccessibilityCentral-Net/100009727930216 Also, check out which New Zealand libraries have the NVDA screen reader available by visiting the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
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Re: nvda rule not working in thunderbird
Rosemarie Chavarria
Does it have to be done from the inbox? I was doing it the hard way.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 3:05 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda rule not working in thunderbird
Hi David
hopefully it should be easy enough to follow. Even though i had already setup the message filter, using the context menu will still take you back to the way where i went through the tools then filter way.. I just figured the rule is already setup so i went in to show what sections were done if you get what I mean.
Hopefully it helps and doing it off the email was the easiest way for the nvda list.
Gene nz
On 7/12/2016 11:56 AM, David Moore wrote:
-- <b>Check out the new location of my accessibility central website for NVDA tutorials, NVDA road tested programs, and other eyesight related topics. http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ If you would like to keep up to date with whats being updated on our website, you can also follow us on facebook by visiting the following link https://en-gb.facebook.com/people/AccessibilityCentral-Net/100009727930216 Also, check out which New Zealand libraries have the NVDA screen reader available by visiting the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
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Re: nvda rule not working in thunderbird
Rosemarie Chavarria
Hi, David,
I'll give a listen to Gene NZ's tutorial when it's put up in a few days. I had such a hard time with creating filters so I came back to outlook. It's a heck of a lot easier to create message rules with outlook.
Rosemarie
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 3:25 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda rule not working in thunderbird
Yes, that was great! Thanks a lot. David Moore Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Gene New Zealand
Hi David
hopefully it should be easy enough to follow. Even though i had already setup the message filter, using the context menu will still take you back to the way where i went through the tools then filter way.. I just figured the rule is already setup so i went in to show what sections were done if you get what I mean.
Hopefully it helps and doing it off the email was the easiest way for the nvda list.
Gene nz
On 7/12/2016 11:56 AM, David Moore wrote:
-- <b>Check out the new location of my accessibility central website for NVDA tutorials, NVDA road tested programs, and other eyesight related topics. http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ If you would like to keep up to date with whats being updated on our website, you can also follow us on facebook by visiting the following link https://en-gb.facebook.com/people/AccessibilityCentral-Net/100009727930216 Also, check out which New Zealand libraries have the NVDA screen reader available by visiting the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
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Re: NVDA and Open Office
Quentin Christensen
It looks like there is only one version for windows, which would be 32-bit, as you said - On the download page there is an option for 32 or 64 bit versions for Linux: http://www.openoffice.org/download/ For LibreOffice, it looks like there is a 64 bit version although it's not right up the top next to the 32 bit version, but look a bit further down the page and it's listed as "Windows x86_64": https://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-fresh/
On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io <the.big.white.shepherd@...> wrote: Am I correct in saying there is only a 32bit version of open office? you do get a 64bit version of Lo. --
Quentin Christensen Training Material Developer Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ Direct: +61 413 904 383 www.nvaccess.org Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess Twitter: @NVAccess
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Re: NVDA doesn't announce what shifted letter and number keys do
Gene
Since it announces letters and numbers unshifted,
it is reasonable that it announce the shifted items as well. Of course,
you can do what you are saying, but it is more convenient and better design if
input help can announce shifted items. Your method is a work around.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Mullins
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't announce what shifted letter and
number keys do I thought input help was designed to give instructions on NVDA commands rather than keyboard layout. For keyboard layout type investigations, open a text file and switch on speak typed characters, NVDA+2.
Cheers Chris
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
I didn't realize this until now but I was playing with input help today and I found that NVDA doesn't announce what shifted number keys do nor what shifted items such as punctuation keys do. If you hold shift and press a number key, you will hear something like shift plus and then the number is announced. That doesn't give useful information. What if I wanted to find the dollar sign. I couldn't do so using input help. And I couldn't know from input help that shift slash is the question mark. I'd hear something like shift plus slash. Why is this the case and can it be changed without unreasonable effort?
Gene
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Re: NVDA doesn't announce what shifted letter and number keys do
Gene
Thanks. I'll check the issue to see how
things develop.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA doesn't announce what shifted letter and
number keys do Hi Gene,
Very good point. I can't directly answer how easy or hard it is to
fix. Off the top of my head, I would hazard a guess that it shouldn't be
hard, but I'll have to wait until Mick or Jamie can answer that and whether
there was any reason for not including the functionality already.
In any case, I filed an issue for it: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6621
Regards
Quentin. On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:24 AM, Gene <gsasner@...>
wrote:
Quentin
Christensen
Training Material Developer Basic
Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Direct: +61 413 904 383 www.nvaccess.org Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess Twitter: @NVAccess
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Re: nvda rule not working in thunderbird
David Moore
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From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 6:05 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda rule not working in thunderbird
Hi David
hopefully it should be easy enough to follow. Even though i had already setup the message filter, using the context menu will still take you back to the way where i went through the tools then filter way.. I just figured the rule is already setup so i went in to show what sections were done if you get what I mean.
Hopefully it helps and doing it off the email was the easiest way for the nvda list.
Gene nz
On 7/12/2016 11:56 AM, David Moore wrote:
-- <b>Check out the new location of my accessibility central website for NVDA tutorials, NVDA road tested programs, and other eyesight related topics. http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ If you would like to keep up to date with whats being updated on our website, you can also follow us on facebook by visiting the following link https://en-gb.facebook.com/people/AccessibilityCentral-Net/100009727930216 Also, check out which New Zealand libraries have the NVDA screen reader available by visiting the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
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Re: NVDA and Open Office
Kevin Cussick
Am I correct in saying there is only a 32bit version of open office? you do get a 64bit version of Lo.
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On 06/12/2016 16:45, David wrote:
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Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported?
#NVDARelease
Kevin Cussick
there you have it thanks Gene.
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On 06/12/2016 16:21, Gene wrote:
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Re: nvda rule not working in thunderbird
Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
Hi David
hopefully it should be easy enough to follow. Even though i had already setup the message filter, using the context menu will still take you back to the way where i went through the tools then filter way.. I just figured the rule is already setup so i went in to show what sections were done if you get what I mean.
Hopefully it helps and doing it off the email was the easiest way for the nvda list.
Gene nz
On 7/12/2016 11:56 AM, David Moore wrote:
-- <b>Check out the new location of my accessibility central website for NVDA tutorials, NVDA road tested programs, and other eyesight related topics. http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ If you would like to keep up to date with whats being updated on our website, you can also follow us on facebook by visiting the following link https://en-gb.facebook.com/people/AccessibilityCentral-Net/100009727930216 Also, check out which New Zealand libraries have the NVDA screen reader available by visiting the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
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