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Re: NVDA and Open Office

Kevin Cussick
 

Am I correct in saying there is only a 32bit version of open office? you do get a 64bit version of Lo.

On 06/12/2016 16:45, David wrote:
Well, I pretty much second your question, except from me being totally
depending on being able to use spreadsheets. Will NVDA let me operate
the equivalent to MS Excel, under either OpenOffice or LibriOffice?



David

On 12/6/2016 3:54 PM, Jorge Gonçalves wrote:
Hello,

I just got curious from your answer. I am a LibreOffice user.

What does make Open Office more accessible than LibreOffice? What are
the main accessibility differences? I am only interested in the Word
Processor.

Cheers,
Jorge

Às 14:41 de 06/12/2016, Robert Kingett escreveu:
It works well even if you do not have Java installed. It is more
accessible than Libreoffice but Libreoffice is a better program in
every other way.





.


Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

Kevin Cussick
 

there you have it thanks Gene.

On 06/12/2016 16:21, Gene wrote:
It doesn't matter how many sites may say this. Many sites may have
incorrect information. It is important to get information from reliable
sites. Windows XP hasn't been supported for a number of years. Do a
google search for Windows XP support end and look at results from good
sources such as Microsoft's information or PC World or other reputable
sites.

Here is a quote from Microsoft.
"After 12 years, support for Windows XP ended April 8, 2014."

Gene
----- Original Message ------
*From:* nasrin khaksar <mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 06, 2016 10:07 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior
to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially
supported? #NVDARelease

i am sure that its true
i dont remember the site but i read it on many websites and i have no doubt.

On 12/6/16, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com
<mailto:britechguy@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 07:30 am, nasrin khaksar wrote:


i read somewhere that xp is supported until 2019
That is quite simply incorrect. Microsoft ended all official support for
Windows XP in 2014, and that was extended support. Base support ended in
2008. See this official announcement (
https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-xp.aspx ) on
technet.microsoft.com.
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Re: nvda rule not working in thunderbird

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi David


hopefully it should be easy enough to follow. Even though i had already setup the message filter, using the context menu will still take you back to the way where i went through the tools then filter way.. I just figured the rule is already setup so i went in to show what sections were done if you get what I mean.


Hopefully it helps and doing it off the email was the easiest way for the nvda list.



Gene nz



On 7/12/2016 11:56 AM, David Moore wrote:

Hi Gene NZ,

Thanks a lot for this. I am definitely interested in this. I will give this a listen.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 5:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda rule not working in thunderbird

 

Hi

 

 

I done a quick audio tutorial on how to create a basic filter in thunder

bird. The filter must be done on the inbox.

 

 

the other thing i done before setting up the filter was to create a

folder for the emails to go into. for example nvda emails

 

 

When the filter is set up and running all emails from the nvda list will

go into the nvda emails folder.

 

Because i had already made a filter for it to be done I couldive done it

through the context menu, then set it up.

 

 

That way will still take you back to the way shown in the audio tutorial

and the same steps as doing it through the tools then filter menu.

 

 

Also doing it through the menus which i show in the tutorial  it will

give you a idea of where to look either to edit or remove a filter or

even create a new one.

 

 

I will put the audio tutorial on my accessible email client mozilla

thunder bird page in the next day or so. Plus there will be a please

note that the filter must be done on the inbox etc

 

 

Others might be interested in-doing the same thing so i will post a drop

box link here for others to listen 2.

 

 

The link to the tutorial is

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64177841/creating%20a%20basic%20filter%20in%20mozilla%20thunder%20bird.MP3

 

The steps are the same whether you use the context menu and go in that

way or do it through the tools then filter menu.

 

 

Gene nz

 

 

 

On 7/12/2016 6:11 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

> Hi, everyone,

> I have all the other rules set up ok but the one for the NVDA list

> isn't working. Last night I was up almost until midnight trying to

> correct the mistake I made. I tried everything I could think of to

> make thunderbird put the NVDA messages in the correct folder. I don't

> know what to do anymore. I'm having to move everything to that folder.

> What could I be doing wrong?

> Thanks for your help in advance.

> Rosemarie

>

 

--

<b>Check out the new location of my accessibility central website for NVDA tutorials, NVDA road tested programs, and other eyesight related topics.

http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ If you would like to keep up to date with whats being updated on our website, you can also follow us on facebook by visiting

the following link https://en-gb.facebook.com/people/AccessibilityCentral-Net/100009727930216

Also, check out which New Zealand libraries have the NVDA screen reader available by visiting the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries

 

 

 

 


-- 
<b>Check out the new location of my accessibility central website for NVDA tutorials, NVDA road tested programs, and other eyesight related topics.
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ If you would like to keep up to date with whats being updated on our website, you can also follow us on facebook by visiting
the following link https://en-gb.facebook.com/people/AccessibilityCentral-Net/100009727930216
Also, check out which New Zealand libraries have the NVDA screen reader available by visiting the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries


Re: nvda rule not working in thunderbird

David Moore
 

Hi Gene NZ,

Thanks a lot for this. I am definitely interested in this. I will give this a listen.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 5:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda rule not working in thunderbird

 

Hi

 

 

I done a quick audio tutorial on how to create a basic filter in thunder

bird. The filter must be done on the inbox.

 

 

the other thing i done before setting up the filter was to create a

folder for the emails to go into. for example nvda emails

 

 

When the filter is set up and running all emails from the nvda list will

go into the nvda emails folder.

 

Because i had already made a filter for it to be done I couldive done it

through the context menu, then set it up.

 

 

That way will still take you back to the way shown in the audio tutorial

and the same steps as doing it through the tools then filter menu.

 

 

Also doing it through the menus which i show in the tutorial  it will

give you a idea of where to look either to edit or remove a filter or

even create a new one.

 

 

I will put the audio tutorial on my accessible email client mozilla

thunder bird page in the next day or so. Plus there will be a please

note that the filter must be done on the inbox etc

 

 

Others might be interested in-doing the same thing so i will post a drop

box link here for others to listen 2.

 

 

The link to the tutorial is

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64177841/creating%20a%20basic%20filter%20in%20mozilla%20thunder%20bird.MP3

 

The steps are the same whether you use the context menu and go in that

way or do it through the tools then filter menu.

 

 

Gene nz

 

 

 

On 7/12/2016 6:11 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

> Hi, everyone,

> I have all the other rules set up ok but the one for the NVDA list

> isn't working. Last night I was up almost until midnight trying to

> correct the mistake I made. I tried everything I could think of to

> make thunderbird put the NVDA messages in the correct folder. I don't

> know what to do anymore. I'm having to move everything to that folder.

> What could I be doing wrong?

> Thanks for your help in advance.

> Rosemarie

>

 

--

<b>Check out the new location of my accessibility central website for NVDA tutorials, NVDA road tested programs, and other eyesight related topics.

http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ If you would like to keep up to date with whats being updated on our website, you can also follow us on facebook by visiting

the following link https://en-gb.facebook.com/people/AccessibilityCentral-Net/100009727930216

Also, check out which New Zealand libraries have the NVDA screen reader available by visiting the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries

 

 

 

 


Re: NVDA repeating itself

Don H
 

Started with RC1

On 12/6/2016 4:48 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
That could be why mine is working differently. I take it NVDA didn't
keep repeating the current icon before 2016.4rc1?

On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Don H <lmddh50@comcast.net
<mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net>> wrote:

I don't require a password to open windows. So when returning from
sleep I am placed on the desktop.

On 12/6/2016 4:10 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Are you using the lock screen / logging in to your account?

On mine when I just tried exactly what you did (alt+f4 from the
desktop,
choose sleep, let it go to sleep, close the lid, open the lid),
it comes
up to the lock screen - although it didn't always announce anything.
When I logged in, it announced "pane" twice but that was all.
So I got
a couple of little gremlins, but different ones to you.

On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Don H <lmddh50@comcast.net
<mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net>
<mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net <mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net>>> wrote:

Running NVDA RC1 on a Win 10 laptop. When I close the laptop I
normally first hit Alt F4 and then select sleep, let it go
to sleep
then shut the lid. When I open the laptop later thus
returning from
sleep NVDA keeps repeating the name of the Icon in focus
over and
over. Is this expected behavior?
As I have already said as a newbee I am quite impressed by NVDA.






--
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Training Material Developer
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available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

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<tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
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Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
Direct: +61 413 904 383
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Twitter: @NVAccess


Re: NVDA repeating itself

Quentin Christensen
 

That could be why mine is working differently.  I take it NVDA didn't keep repeating the current icon before 2016.4rc1?

On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote:
I don't require a password to open windows.  So when returning from sleep I am placed on the desktop.

On 12/6/2016 4:10 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Are you using the lock screen / logging in to your account?

On mine when I just tried exactly what you did (alt+f4 from the desktop,
choose sleep, let it go to sleep, close the lid, open the lid), it comes
up to the lock screen - although it didn't always announce anything.
When I logged in, it announced "pane" twice but that was all.  So I got
a couple of little gremlins, but different ones to you.

On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Don H <lmddh50@...
<mailto:lmddh50@...>> wrote:

    Running NVDA RC1 on a Win 10 laptop.  When I close the laptop I
    normally first hit Alt F4 and then select sleep, let it go to sleep
    then shut the lid.  When I open the laptop later thus returning from
    sleep NVDA keeps repeating the name of the Icon in focus over and
    over.  Is this expected behavior?
    As I have already said as a newbee I am quite impressed by NVDA.






--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess







--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: nvda rule not working in thunderbird

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


I done a quick audio tutorial on how to create a basic filter in thunder
bird. The filter must be done on the inbox.


the other thing i done before setting up the filter was to create a
folder for the emails to go into. for example nvda emails


When the filter is set up and running all emails from the nvda list will
go into the nvda emails folder.

Because i had already made a filter for it to be done I couldive done it
through the context menu, then set it up.


That way will still take you back to the way shown in the audio tutorial
and the same steps as doing it through the tools then filter menu.


Also doing it through the menus which i show in the tutorial it will
give you a idea of where to look either to edit or remove a filter or
even create a new one.


I will put the audio tutorial on my accessible email client mozilla
thunder bird page in the next day or so. Plus there will be a please
note that the filter must be done on the inbox etc


Others might be interested in-doing the same thing so i will post a drop
box link here for others to listen 2.


The link to the tutorial is
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64177841/creating%20a%20basic%20filter%20in%20mozilla%20thunder%20bird.MP3

The steps are the same whether you use the context menu and go in that
way or do it through the tools then filter menu.


Gene nz

On 7/12/2016 6:11 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,


I have all the other rules set up ok but the one for the NVDA list
isn't working. Last night I was up almost until midnight trying to
correct the mistake I made. I tried everything I could think of to
make thunderbird put the NVDA messages in the correct folder. I don't
know what to do anymore. I'm having to move everything to that folder.
What could I be doing wrong?


Thanks for your help in advance.


Rosemarie





--
<b>Check out the new location of my accessibility central website for NVDA tutorials, NVDA road tested programs, and other eyesight related topics.
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ If you would like to keep up to date with whats being updated on our website, you can also follow us on facebook by visiting
the following link https://en-gb.facebook.com/people/AccessibilityCentral-Net/100009727930216
Also, check out which New Zealand libraries have the NVDA screen reader available by visiting the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries


Re: NVDA doesn't announce what shifted letter and number keys do

Quentin Christensen
 

It does a bit of both - it tells you which shift and control and so on and which letters and numbers, so logically it wouldn't be out of place to have it tell you the symbol when you press shift with those letters and numbers.

On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 9:33 AM, Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:

I thought input help was designed to give instructions on NVDA commands rather than keyboard layout.  For keyboard layout type investigations, open a text file and switch on speak typed characters, NVDA+2.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 6 December 2016 18:25
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA doesn't announce what shifted letter and number keys do

 

I didn't realize this until now but I was playing with input help today and I found that NVDA doesn't announce what shifted number keys do nor what shifted items such as punctuation keys do.  If you hold shift and press a number key, you will hear something like shift plus and then the number is announced.  That doesn't give useful information.  What if I wanted to find the dollar sign.  I couldn't do so using input help.  And I couldn't know from input help that shift slash is the question mark.  I'd hear something like shift plus slash.  Why is this the case and can it be changed without unreasonable effort?

 

Gene




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Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
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Re: NVDA repeating itself

Don H
 

I don't require a password to open windows. So when returning from sleep I am placed on the desktop.

On 12/6/2016 4:10 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Are you using the lock screen / logging in to your account?

On mine when I just tried exactly what you did (alt+f4 from the desktop,
choose sleep, let it go to sleep, close the lid, open the lid), it comes
up to the lock screen - although it didn't always announce anything.
When I logged in, it announced "pane" twice but that was all. So I got
a couple of little gremlins, but different ones to you.

On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Don H <lmddh50@comcast.net
<mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net>> wrote:

Running NVDA RC1 on a Win 10 laptop. When I close the laptop I
normally first hit Alt F4 and then select sleep, let it go to sleep
then shut the lid. When I open the laptop later thus returning from
sleep NVDA keeps repeating the name of the Icon in focus over and
over. Is this expected behavior?
As I have already said as a newbee I am quite impressed by NVDA.






--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess


Re: NVDA doesn't announce what shifted letter and number keys do

Chris Mullins
 

I thought input help was designed to give instructions on NVDA commands rather than keyboard layout.  For keyboard layout type investigations, open a text file and switch on speak typed characters, NVDA+2.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 6 December 2016 18:25
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA doesn't announce what shifted letter and number keys do

 

I didn't realize this until now but I was playing with input help today and I found that NVDA doesn't announce what shifted number keys do nor what shifted items such as punctuation keys do.  If you hold shift and press a number key, you will hear something like shift plus and then the number is announced.  That doesn't give useful information.  What if I wanted to find the dollar sign.  I couldn't do so using input help.  And I couldn't know from input help that shift slash is the question mark.  I'd hear something like shift plus slash.  Why is this the case and can it be changed without unreasonable effort?

 

Gene


LibreOffice help

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

Following up on the conversations about LIbreOffice this morning, I came across a help document with the keystrokes for using LibreOffice Writer which I thought might be of interest to anyone using that software: https://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/Shortcut_Keys_for_Writer

There is also a list of general LIbreOffice shortcut keys: https://help.libreoffice.org/Common/General_Shortcut_Keys_in

Kind regards

Quentin.

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Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
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Re: Announcement of Copy and Paste Functions

Dejan Ristic
 

I say, it will announce the copying action, but not that of the pasting. I would also like that the add-on may be updated with the latter feature.


On 12/6/2016 9:53 PM, Albert Ruel wrote:

Thanks Dejan. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dejan Ristic
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 9:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Announcement of Copy and Paste Functions

 

Here it is:

 

http://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/clipContentsDesigner.en.html

 

On 12/6/2016 6:20 PM, Jeffrey Shockley wrote:

Hello,

NVDA cannot do this natively in most apps.

However, there is an add-on called something similar to “Fake Clipboard Announcement” that will do this all the time like what you are used to. It’s on the NVDA Addons site if I remember right.

Hope this helps,

Jeffrey

On Dec 6, 2016, at 12:10 PM, Albert Ruel <albertruel@...> wrote:

 

How do I get NVDA to announce that I have Copied and/or Pasted text when I hold down the Control Key and press the corresponding letters C or V?  

 

***

 

Albert A. Ruel

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Cell: 250-240-2343

 

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Windows 10 App Essentials add-on 16.12.1 is out

 

Hi all,

 

Windows 10 App Essentials 16.12.1 is now available, featuring suggestions detection when searching for tracks in Groovr Music.

The add-on can be found at:

https://github.com/josephsl/wintenApps/releases/tag/16.12.1

 

Enjoy.

Cheers,

Joseph

 


Re: personal messages not going to my inbox in thunderbird

Kevin Cussick
 

Brian and others have been most helpful, the problem is the user this is fare enough but don't blame others.

On 06/12/2016 02:25, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Never mind. I think I figured out what the problem was and I think I can
figure it out. I'm normally not a demanding person but when some people
think they know everything, I have to draw a line in the sand somewhere
so to speak.




On 12/5/2016 6:21 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 04:55 pm, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Oh! Excuse! Me! I've looked everywhere but I'll check one more
place. For your information, things can sometimes happen for no
apparent reason! I won't say anything more!

Given that you have turned what should have been a half-day back and
forth on one thread to a multi-week flip-flop between multiple e-mail
clients and being demanding about it the whole time I, for one, would
welcome that.

You can be, and are, utterly difficult and ungrateful on many
occasions. I'm only giving back precisely what I've been getting -
pure nastiness.

--
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*/Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.
If you’re alive, it isn’t./*

/ /~ Lauren Bacall




Re: NVDA repeating itself

Quentin Christensen
 

Are you using the lock screen / logging in to your account?

On mine when I just tried exactly what you did (alt+f4 from the desktop, choose sleep, let it go to sleep, close the lid, open the lid), it comes up to the lock screen - although it didn't always announce anything.  When I logged in, it announced "pane" twice but that was all.  So I got a couple of little gremlins, but different ones to you.

On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote:
Running NVDA RC1 on a Win 10 laptop.  When I close the laptop I normally first hit Alt F4 and then select sleep, let it go to sleep then shut the lid.  When I open the laptop later thus returning from sleep NVDA keeps repeating the name of the Icon in focus over and over.  Is this expected behavior?
As I have already said as a newbee I am quite impressed by NVDA.






--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: NVDA and Open Office

Quentin Christensen
 


Chris,

Good question.  HowToGeek wrote a long article explaining more than you ever need to know on that subject here: http://www.howtogeek.com/187663/openoffice-vs.-libreoffice-whats-the-difference-and-which-should-you-use/

To summarise, it started as one project and then for a number of reasons forked into two.  LibreOffice currently seems to be updated more often but from an overall perspective, the feature sets of the two are largely similar.



On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 7:08 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:
What're the differences in the two?

Chris.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Kingett" <kingettr@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Open Office


It works well even if you do not have Java installed. It is more accessible than Libreoffice but Libreoffice is a better program in every other way.










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Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
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Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


I agree with every single thing you're saying, but again, I'm not the one who makes the decisions of what systems and OS's we run.
 
If it were me, we'd not have an xp machine in this whole company, but, lamentably, I don't get that luxury.
 
Chris.
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

Chris,

          I think that anyone who's ever worked for anyone else who supplied computer equipment knows that you're at the mercy of your employer's decisions, and those decisions often have nothing to do with what makes the most long-term sense.

          That being said, I think the question, "Why are you sticking with XP?," is directed at those who have the ability (and that includes finances, we all get forces of economics) to change, but don't.  The most frequent reason I hear is a variant on, "Because that's what I'm used to."  Well, you weren't when you first started using it and every version of Windows except Windows 8, which was a weird change in a lot of ways, has a very strong set of roots in its predecessors.  I see that more in Windows 10 than I ever did in 8 or 8.1 - those two releases seemed to be when Microsoft was thinking about the world as if it was all touch-screen and tablet oriented and that desktop computers would be passe.  Win 10 has wedded pretty much all that I liked up through Win7 with the few things I liked in Win8 as well as throwing in some very useful new stuff.  My clients who have gone from Win7 to Win10 seem less traumatized by the transition than going from Win7 to Win8 or Win8.1.

          At this time, barring outside forces such as the ones you're dealing with, it makes very little business sense or computing sense to keep nursing Windows XP along if you're using it in cyberspace connected environments.  It's a huge security risk just do to what's not been patched for almost 3 years now in the OS and sometimes longer in the third-party software on it.

           I've said it before, and not only about Windows, either, but there is a great advantage to transitioning to a newer OS not on the bleeding edge, but when there's a huge cohort doing it at the same time.  Right now the ability to find Windows 10 information that's up to the minute and widely available is very high.  As time goes by that decreases, and people no longer have it "fresh on their minds" when it comes to questions about what they did to get a specific setting tweaked, for instance.  I couldn't tell you now probably way more than half of what I used to know like the back of my hand about Windows XP because it's been years since any employer I've worked for used it or I've used it as my primary OS.  In certain respects the same thing will occur with Windows 10, too, well before it's replaced because so many things are "set it and forget it," both literally and figuratively.

Back to the subject:  Third-Party developers tend to drop active support for a given OS very shortly after the OS manufacturer does.  Backward compatibility may exist for a while "by chance," but it will eventually be terminated when there's a conflict between being able to create what the developers believe is an improved product that runs on a supported OS and backward compatibility.
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Re: Only speak pressed keyboard characters and nothing else

Quentin Christensen
 

There are options you can turn off which will reduce what is announced, although nothing that will directly do what you are asking.  If you are using the built-in eSpeak NG voice, sometimes pressing SHIFT can stop speech a little quicker than control.  Shift actually pauses NVDA - and pressing shift again continues speaking exactly where it left off.  Control stops speech and does not have a corresponding "continue" function.

Some options you could turn off:

- Everything in the document formatting dialog (NVDA+control+d) - this dialog controls whether NVDA announces text changes (eg bold or change in alignment), elements such as lists or headings on web pages etc.

- Everything on the Object presentation dialog (NVDA+control+o).

- Automatic say all on page load, in Browse mode settings (NVDA+control+b) which controls whether web pages are automatically read out as they finish loading.

Otherwise, there isn't an option (or group of options) that will do exactly what you want.  Those I highlighted will do some, which may be enough.

Otherwise, I would recommend learning more about NVDA - once you understand what it is reading, it is easier to ignore the parts that you don't need at that moment.  We have started offering a range of training modules.  I'd recommend the Basic Training for NVDA to start with as it contains most things you need to know.

Regards

Quentin.


On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:52 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Simply press control to stop the announcement.  Control stops speech.  Or take some other action such as down arrowing or whatever you want to do on the site.  You don't have to wait for speech to stop.  Screen-readers are designed to stop old speech and speak what you currently are doing. 
 
Similarly, when up or down arrowing in a document, as an example, if a line is being read, when you up or down arrow or move in other ways or type a letter, old speech will stop and the new line you have moved to will be read.  Or is you move the cursor to the next letter or word, it will be spoken.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
 

From: Yair pc
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Only speak pressed keyboard characters and nothing else

Thanks Gene, I'm indeed looking for it to announce the letters without announcing windows, but I do need the letters to still type normally.
It's not easy to get used to the window announcements because it sometimes mean a very long annoucement (i.e. the title of the Chrome browser, is the title of the website, and such title can be a minute long). For someone who can still partially see, this is too much so that screen reader is rejected, although some other announcements can still be very helpful.
 
Maybe there is a solution for the too long window title announcements instead? (Can anounce just a short prefix of it, or an extension can tell the browser to crop the title...)
 
Regarding my original question, I understand that removing window announcement is not right for everyone, but as the eyesight degrades, I think this is a good first step to getting used to announcements in a small dose (just typed letters for now).
 
 
Thanks,
Yair
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 at 8:18 PM
From: Gene <gsasner@...>
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Only speak pressed keyboard characters and nothing else
It isn't clear what you want.  Do you want the computer to continue to work with commands or type when you are in a word processor, but just announce letters and nothing such as what window you are in if you move from window to window?  There is nothing like that and it would be very difficult for people with a number of windows opened to function if the window you move to isn't announced.
 
NVDA does have a feature that will announce what keys are if you press them but the keys won't do anything.  This is to allow people to famaliarize themselves with commands and look for commands without the computer taking any actions.  It also announces letters and numbers and some other things.
 
The command is NVDA key 1 that is 1 on the main keyboard. 
 
You can turn this command on and hold the insert key and press various functionkeys as well, such as f1, f2, etc. to see what they do.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Yair pc
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 10:51 AM
Subject: [nvda] Only speak pressed keyboard characters and nothing else
 
I'm looking for a way to make every key press in the keyboard speek (report/announce/echo) the letter name.
This seems like a good start to accomodate to screen readers noise, I will add other announcements later on.
 
Is there a way to disable all other announcements in NVDA (i.e. not hear the titles of the focued window etc.)
I tried to de-select everything but the character speeking but there is till a lot of speeking when changing focus.
 
I tried Windows Narrator too but had the same issue.
This is a very simply feature, even useful for people learning to touch type, there must be some utility that offers just that for Windows (even if not using NVDA)...
 
Thanks,
Yair
 
 
 
 




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Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

 

Chris,

          I think that anyone who's ever worked for anyone else who supplied computer equipment knows that you're at the mercy of your employer's decisions, and those decisions often have nothing to do with what makes the most long-term sense.

          That being said, I think the question, "Why are you sticking with XP?," is directed at those who have the ability (and that includes finances, we all get forces of economics) to change, but don't.  The most frequent reason I hear is a variant on, "Because that's what I'm used to."  Well, you weren't when you first started using it and every version of Windows except Windows 8, which was a weird change in a lot of ways, has a very strong set of roots in its predecessors.  I see that more in Windows 10 than I ever did in 8 or 8.1 - those two releases seemed to be when Microsoft was thinking about the world as if it was all touch-screen and tablet oriented and that desktop computers would be passe.  Win 10 has wedded pretty much all that I liked up through Win7 with the few things I liked in Win8 as well as throwing in some very useful new stuff.  My clients who have gone from Win7 to Win10 seem less traumatized by the transition than going from Win7 to Win8 or Win8.1.

          At this time, barring outside forces such as the ones you're dealing with, it makes very little business sense or computing sense to keep nursing Windows XP along if you're using it in cyberspace connected environments.  It's a huge security risk just do to what's not been patched for almost 3 years now in the OS and sometimes longer in the third-party software on it.

           I've said it before, and not only about Windows, either, but there is a great advantage to transitioning to a newer OS not on the bleeding edge, but when there's a huge cohort doing it at the same time.  Right now the ability to find Windows 10 information that's up to the minute and widely available is very high.  As time goes by that decreases, and people no longer have it "fresh on their minds" when it comes to questions about what they did to get a specific setting tweaked, for instance.  I couldn't tell you now probably way more than half of what I used to know like the back of my hand about Windows XP because it's been years since any employer I've worked for used it or I've used it as my primary OS.  In certain respects the same thing will occur with Windows 10, too, well before it's replaced because so many things are "set it and forget it," both literally and figuratively.

Back to the subject:  Third-Party developers tend to drop active support for a given OS very shortly after the OS manufacturer does.  Backward compatibility may exist for a while "by chance," but it will eventually be terminated when there's a conflict between being able to create what the developers believe is an improved product that runs on a supported OS and backward compatibility.
--
Brian

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.

    ~ Lauren Bacall

    



Re: NVDA doesn't announce what shifted letter and number keys do

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Gene,

Very good point.  I can't directly answer how easy or hard it is to fix.  Off the top of my head, I would hazard a guess that it shouldn't be hard, but I'll have to wait until Mick or Jamie can answer that and whether there was any reason for not including the functionality already.

In any case, I filed an issue for it: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6621

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:24 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I didn't realize this until now but I was playing with input help today and I found that NVDA doesn't announce what shifted number keys do nor what shifted items such as punctuation keys do.  If you hold shift and press a number key, you will hear something like shift plus and then the number is announced.  That doesn't give useful information.  What if I wanted to find the dollar sign.  I couldn't do so using input help.  And I couldn't know from input help that shift slash is the question mark.  I'd hear something like shift plus slash.  Why is this the case and can it be changed without unreasonable effort?
 
Gene




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