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Re: whats the best and most accessible player for me?

Dejan Ristic
 

?What do you think about Windows Media Player, or even Winamp, though?


As for VLc, do you use an add-on called VLC Media Player?

On 12/9/2016 2:42 PM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hello every one.
here you are my cryteria for best player and i am waiting for your guide.
i need a very simple and accessible player which nvda supports great.
i need playing files and folders.
i need repeate, shuffle, audio capture, great quality of voice and
also changing speed without loss of quality.
i wished that use vlc media player, but it was not accessible.
for example: in the settings, nvda announces fonts attributes of the options!
and also says pain pain pain pain many time before saying options and menus!

i could not find its shortcuts and i could not use most of my
cryterian which i need!


Re: how to use mozilla thunderbird with nvda?

 

yes.
when i want to open an email, firefox opens it, instead of thunderbird!
but i want to know to which solution helps me to completely deactivate
all automatic action in thunderbird including automatic download,
automatic openning etc.
i realy hate automatic action in any program!
i want to do all my desire work manually like the web interface of gmail!

On 12/9/16, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 07:11 am, Gene wrote:


This is never supposed to happen.
 And in all my years working with Firefox and Thunderbird I've never seen it
happen.  As you say, if it is indeed happening then something's most likely
wrong at the operating system level.

Thunderbird is different, though, than a lot of e-mail clients in that it
uses a tabbed structure, rather than separate windows that open, when you
elect to open a message separately (that is, not looking at it via the
preview pane).  When I use enter to open a message in it's own tab while
running NVDA it doesn't announce anything about the tab having opened (or
else I missed that part, but I don't think so) and I have to hit CTRL+W to
close the message and land back in my inbox message list.
--
*Brian*

*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If
you’re alive, it isn’t.*

   ~ Lauren Bacall
--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: whats the best and most accessible player for me?

 

winamp installs extra toolbars and adware.
i want to clean program without any adware and spyware also.
with all capability which i need.
does winamp have audio capture?

On 12/9/16, Peter Beasley <pjbeasley23@...> wrote:
Winamp.

-----Original Message-----
From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2016 1:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] whats the best and most accessible player for me?

hello every one.
here you are my cryteria for best player and i am waiting for your guide.
i need a very simple and accessible player which nvda supports great.
i need playing files and folders.
i need repeate, shuffle, audio capture, great quality of voice and
also changing speed without loss of quality.
i wished that use vlc media player, but it was not accessible.
for example: in the settings, nvda announces fonts attributes of the
options!
and also says pain pain pain pain many time before saying options and
menus!

i could not find its shortcuts and i could not use most of my
cryterian which i need!

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: how to use mozilla thunderbird with nvda?

 

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 07:11 am, Gene wrote:
This is never supposed to happen. 

 And in all my years working with Firefox and Thunderbird I've never seen it happen.  As you say, if it is indeed happening then something's most likely wrong at the operating system level.

Thunderbird is different, though, than a lot of e-mail clients in that it uses a tabbed structure, rather than separate windows that open, when you elect to open a message separately (that is, not looking at it via the preview pane).  When I use enter to open a message in it's own tab while running NVDA it doesn't announce anything about the tab having opened (or else I missed that part, but I don't think so) and I have to hit CTRL+W to close the message and land back in my inbox message list.
--
Brian

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.

    ~ Lauren Bacall

    



Re: whats the best and most accessible player for me?

Peter Beasley
 

Winamp.

-----Original Message-----
From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2016 1:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] whats the best and most accessible player for me?

hello every one.
here you are my cryteria for best player and i am waiting for your guide.
i need a very simple and accessible player which nvda supports great.
i need playing files and folders.
i need repeate, shuffle, audio capture, great quality of voice and
also changing speed without loss of quality.
i wished that use vlc media player, but it was not accessible.
for example: in the settings, nvda announces fonts attributes of the options!
and also says pain pain pain pain many time before saying options and menus!

i could not find its shortcuts and i could not use most of my
cryterian which i need!

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: whats the best and most accessible player for me?

brian
 

Try winamp alot of blind people still use it I do it's a great program for keyboard commands and it does work well with nvda and windows 10 andnvda does have an add on for winamp hope that helps.

Brian Sackrider

On 12/9/2016 10:01 AM, mk360 wrote:
For me, media player clasic homecinema for video and foobar2000 for audio. Also winamp continues working including windows 10.


El 09/12/2016 a las 10:42, nasrin khaksar escribió:
hello every one.
here you are my cryteria for best player and i am waiting for your guide.
i need a very simple and accessible player which nvda supports great.
i need playing files and folders.
i need repeate, shuffle, audio capture, great quality of voice and
also changing speed without loss of quality.
i wished that use vlc media player, but it was not accessible.
for example: in the settings, nvda announces fonts attributes of the options!
and also says pain pain pain pain many time before saying options and menus!

i could not find its shortcuts and i could not use most of my
cryterian which i need!


Re: how to use mozilla thunderbird with nvda?

Gene
 

I want to mnake clear just what you mean about a message opening in Firefox.  Are you saying that if you are in the e-mail list and press enter to open a message, that Firefox opens and the message body is displayed in Firefox?  If so, there may be something wrong with your Windows.  It may somehow have some sort of association error.  I have no idea how this would be corrected.  This is never supposed to happen. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
> hi every one.
> thanks for your suggestions and advice.
> hi gene.
> thanks extremely for your link.
> it was expected link that i realy need it!
> i downloaded the tutorial to study it.
> i made firefox as default browser and thunderbird my default email client.
> but my emails were opened with firefox!
>
> On 12/8/16, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>>
>> the following link might help him. It can be found at
>> http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/accessible%20email%20client%20mozilla%20thunderbird.html
>>
>> it makes me wonder if he is opening it in a new tab and not a new window.
>>
>>
>> the link should get him up and running and there are some views etc he
>> can set thunder bird to as well.
>>
>>
>> I am wondering as well is he talking about when a link is pressed on
>> that it is bringing it up in another browser.
>>
>>
>> He should be able to set mozilla fire fox as the default.
>>
>>
>> gene nz
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/12/2016 1:41 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
>>> Also, I forgot, I am using NVDA latest version 2016.3 for Thunderbird.
>>> It works just fine.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/4/2016 7:08 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
>>>> hi,
>>>> thanks extremely for your detailed and great information!
>>>> i should practice them to learn them!
>>>> when i opened one message, my firefox opened it instead of my
>>>> thunderbird!
>>>> how to open them with thunderbird and set it to be easy as firefox?
>>>> i tried desabling the preference under general and unfortunately
>>>> thunderbird stors all tabs and messages which i opened previously.
>>>> besides, whats the best version in simplicity and accessibility easy
>>>> to use with nvda?
>>>> whats the best versions in this regard?
>>>> is there any advance settings that i should change like advance
>>>> settings in firefox about:config
>>>> God bless you and his infinite mercy i pray for you.
>>>>
>>>> On 12/4/16, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Again,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I forgot a few important items.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You may be having confusion because of the start page issue. Under
>>>>> tools/options/general, uncheck the box that says 'show the start
>>>>> page in
>>>>> the message area.'  This way, when you launch Thunderbird, you will go
>>>>> directly to your list of folder/messages.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you receive a message with an attachment, with the message open,
>>>>> press alt + M for the message item and H for the attachments item.  You
>>>>> will then see a bunch of choices including open (the name of the file
>>>>> attachment) open  all, save all and so on.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You can also use tab and shift tab to get to the attachments and use
>>>>> the
>>>>> right click (context menu) item, but this is a bit cumbersome, so i
>>>>> prefer the former method.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, I find the following to work well--though a bit cumbersome when
>>>>> trying to place addresses in various of the CC/BCC/To fields.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you open a new message and back tab 8 times, you are placed in the
>>>>> list of addresses in your default or main address book.  If you want to
>>>>> do a mass mailing, thenyou can arrow down  or use first letter
>>>>> navigation (which works for the address book, and select address with
>>>>> the control + space bar method and then press the following keystrokes
>>>>> to place large numbers of addresses into the various fields.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> alt + A for To field
>>>>>
>>>>> alt + C for CC field
>>>>>
>>>>> alt + B for BCC field.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you wish to place various addresses in multiple field, each time you
>>>>> place them there, you will have to back tab again until you hear
>>>>> 'contacts, tree view.'  This will place you back into the list of
>>>>> addresses to continue choosing separate fields until you have completed
>>>>> your list of mass addresses.  It is a bit cumbersome, but unless
>>>>> someone
>>>>> else has figured out a better way, it is better than going directly
>>>>> from
>>>>> the address book and then moving around the list and right clicking and
>>>>> tghen choosing write and then moving the addresses around from field to
>>>>> field to that you have some in the to field, some in the cc field and
>>>>> some in the bcc field.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope this meandering list of commands over the course of two messages
>>>>> helps someone some way.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/4/2016 6:10 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
>>>>>> Hello:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thunderbird is pretty straight forward.  Once you install the
>>>>>> program, you must set up your account.  By default, after the first
>>>>>> installation, this screen comes up--where you enter your e-mail
>>>>>> address, name, server settings and so on.  If for some reason, it does
>>>>>> not come up after the first installation, then you can find settings
>>>>>> for the e-mail account under the tools menu (alt +
>>>>>> T) and the accounting settings (press S after alt + T) item.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Once the account settings screen comes up, tab once to the account
>>>>>> settings button and press space bar.  A context menu opens and one of
>>>>>> the choice is 'add e-mail account.'  If you choose this item, a
>>>>>> standard mail configuration screen comes up and you fill in your
>>>>>> information.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now here are a few settings that I prefer.  Others may have different
>>>>>> opinions.  I came from the Outlook Express experience in earlier
>>>>>> versions of Windows, so I set my view settings as follows.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Under the tool bars menu under view, I have menu bar and status bar
>>>>>> checked.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Under the layout sub menu item under view, I have the folder pain
>>>>>> checked and the classic view item checked. I do not have the message
>>>>>> pain checked.  This causes problems with many screen reader users.  If
>>>>>> this gets checked by accident, it toggles on and off with the press of
>>>>>> the function Key 8 on your keyboard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Under the folder sub menu item under view, I have the all item
>>>>>> checked--nothing else.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Under the today pane, I have none checked--nothing else. This feature
>>>>>> is nice for sighted people, but it can cause issues for screen
>>>>>> readers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The sort by item is up to you.  I have date and ascending order
>>>>>> checked which places the most recent messages at the bottom of the
>>>>>> list in each folder.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The thread sub menu item is also personal preference but I have all
>>>>>> checked and then I use the command letter N when in a folder with no
>>>>>> open messages to unsort to read each message separately so they won't
>>>>>> open all at once and the letter T for setting them back to threaded so
>>>>>> I can do mass deletions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Under the headers sub menu item, I have normal checked. This avoids
>>>>>> the full headers which take up a massive amount of space with
>>>>>> gibberish most people don't understand.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Under the message body as item, I have simple HTML which suffices for
>>>>>> most purposes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The display attachments inline should be unchecked--otherwise files
>>>>>> you attach which are binary or music will create a lot of gibberish
>>>>>> that no one can read.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now here are a few shortcut and hotkeys to get you started. Many of
>>>>>> them are similar to Outlook Express with a few notable exceptions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To bring up the address book where you can create e-mail address and
>>>>>> properly send e-mail, the keystroke is control+ shift + B. From the
>>>>>> address book, check the various sub menus for how to create new
>>>>>> entries (control + N) and so on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To start a new message from scratch without using the address book,
>>>>>> the keystroke is Control + N.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To reply to a message you have received the keystroke is Control + R.
>>>>>> If you wish to respond to everyone in the headers the keystroke is
>>>>>> control + shift + R.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's one odd one.  To forward a message, press control + L. This
>>>>>> differs from most other Microsoft clients which use Control +
>>>>>>
>>>>>> F.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Control + F is used either to find messages in a folder with no open
>>>>>> messages, or to find text in an open message.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To attach a file, from an open message you are writing, press control
>>>>>> + shift + A.  This opens a browse for folder/file dialogue where you
>>>>>> can move to the default folder for attachments.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Once you have completed writing a message, you can either configure
>>>>>> the message to be sent immediately under your account settings or you
>>>>>> can use the keystroke control + enter to send the message. If send
>>>>>> immediately is not configured, you will receive a prompt to send the
>>>>>> message after pressing control + enter to whcih you respond yes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As far as navigation from folder to folder, the easiest way to do this
>>>>>> in my opinion is to use the Function key 6 (F6) keystroke that will
>>>>>> move ou from the list of messages, to the tabs to the folder list. For
>>>>>> example, if you are in the list of messages and you press F6, you
>>>>>> should go to the folder list.  One important thing to remember is that
>>>>>> first letter navigation within the folder list is not possible for
>>>>>> some reason.  Unlike in Outlook Express, you must use up and down
>>>>>> arrow keys to move from one folder to another in the tree view and
>>>>>> then press tab once to move to the list of messages in each folder.
>>>>>> That's one big drawback.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For any more settings issues, use the tools menu alt + T and choose
>>>>>> options.  There are a bunch of settings for everything from signatures
>>>>>> to just how return receipts are handled.  Explore these settings and
>>>>>> make preferred choices.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As with any new program, check under the various menus--both from the
>>>>>> main inbox folder and from wsithin a new message or open message to
>>>>>> get further tips and tricks as to how to use the program.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/4/2016 2:52 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
>>>>>>> hello every one.
>>>>>>> i tried mozilla thunderbird for the second time without any success.
>>>>>>> i could not do anything with it.
>>>>>>> could you please send me a link which contains complete tutorial in
>>>>>>> using thunderbird with nvda?
>>>>>>> thanks extremely for your help and God bless you all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
>>>>> They ask: "How Happy are You?"
>>>>> I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> --
>> <b>Check out the new location of my accessibility central website for NVDA
>> tutorials, NVDA road tested programs, and other eyesight related topics.
>> http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ If you would like to keep up to date
>> with whats being updated on our website, you can also follow us on facebook
>> by visiting
>> the following link
>> https://en-gb.facebook.com/people/AccessibilityCentral-Net/100009727930216
>> Also, check out which New Zealand libraries have the NVDA screen reader
>> available by visiting the following link
>> http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>




Re: how to use mozilla thunderbird with nvda?

mk360
 

But opened with firefox? or in a windows similar to firefox? note that Thunderbird works in a similar maner than firefox and the html displays are the same.

El 09/12/2016 a las 9:10, nasrin khaksar escribió:
hi every one.
thanks for your suggestions and advice.
hi gene.
thanks extremely for your link.
it was expected link that i realy need it!
i downloaded the tutorial to study it.
i made firefox as default browser and thunderbird my default email client.
but my emails were opened with firefox!

On 12/8/16, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi


the following link might help him. It can be found at
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/accessible%20email%20client%20mozilla%20thunderbird.html

it makes me wonder if he is opening it in a new tab and not a new window.


the link should get him up and running and there are some views etc he
can set thunder bird to as well.


I am wondering as well is he talking about when a link is pressed on
that it is bringing it up in another browser.


He should be able to set mozilla fire fox as the default.


gene nz



On 5/12/2016 1:41 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Also, I forgot, I am using NVDA latest version 2016.3 for Thunderbird.
It works just fine.



On 12/4/2016 7:08 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi,
thanks extremely for your detailed and great information!
i should practice them to learn them!
when i opened one message, my firefox opened it instead of my
thunderbird!
how to open them with thunderbird and set it to be easy as firefox?
i tried desabling the preference under general and unfortunately
thunderbird stors all tabs and messages which i opened previously.
besides, whats the best version in simplicity and accessibility easy
to use with nvda?
whats the best versions in this regard?
is there any advance settings that i should change like advance
settings in firefox about:config
God bless you and his infinite mercy i pray for you.

On 12/4/16, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:
Hi Again,


I forgot a few important items.


You may be having confusion because of the start page issue. Under
tools/options/general, uncheck the box that says 'show the start
page in
the message area.' This way, when you launch Thunderbird, you will go
directly to your list of folder/messages.


If you receive a message with an attachment, with the message open,
press alt + M for the message item and H for the attachments item. You
will then see a bunch of choices including open (the name of the file
attachment) open all, save all and so on.


You can also use tab and shift tab to get to the attachments and use
the
right click (context menu) item, but this is a bit cumbersome, so i
prefer the former method.


Also, I find the following to work well--though a bit cumbersome when
trying to place addresses in various of the CC/BCC/To fields.


If you open a new message and back tab 8 times, you are placed in the
list of addresses in your default or main address book. If you want to
do a mass mailing, thenyou can arrow down or use first letter
navigation (which works for the address book, and select address with
the control + space bar method and then press the following keystrokes
to place large numbers of addresses into the various fields.


alt + A for To field

alt + C for CC field

alt + B for BCC field.


If you wish to place various addresses in multiple field, each time you
place them there, you will have to back tab again until you hear
'contacts, tree view.' This will place you back into the list of
addresses to continue choosing separate fields until you have completed
your list of mass addresses. It is a bit cumbersome, but unless
someone
else has figured out a better way, it is better than going directly
from
the address book and then moving around the list and right clicking and
tghen choosing write and then moving the addresses around from field to
field to that you have some in the to field, some in the cc field and
some in the bcc field.


I hope this meandering list of commands over the course of two messages
helps someone some way.





On 12/4/2016 6:10 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hello:


Thunderbird is pretty straight forward. Once you install the
program, you must set up your account. By default, after the first
installation, this screen comes up--where you enter your e-mail
address, name, server settings and so on. If for some reason, it does
not come up after the first installation, then you can find settings
for the e-mail account under the tools menu (alt +
T) and the accounting settings (press S after alt + T) item.


Once the account settings screen comes up, tab once to the account
settings button and press space bar. A context menu opens and one of
the choice is 'add e-mail account.' If you choose this item, a
standard mail configuration screen comes up and you fill in your
information.


Now here are a few settings that I prefer. Others may have different
opinions. I came from the Outlook Express experience in earlier
versions of Windows, so I set my view settings as follows.


Under the tool bars menu under view, I have menu bar and status bar
checked.

Under the layout sub menu item under view, I have the folder pain
checked and the classic view item checked. I do not have the message
pain checked. This causes problems with many screen reader users. If
this gets checked by accident, it toggles on and off with the press of
the function Key 8 on your keyboard.


Under the folder sub menu item under view, I have the all item
checked--nothing else.


Under the today pane, I have none checked--nothing else. This feature
is nice for sighted people, but it can cause issues for screen
readers.


The sort by item is up to you. I have date and ascending order
checked which places the most recent messages at the bottom of the
list in each folder.


The thread sub menu item is also personal preference but I have all
checked and then I use the command letter N when in a folder with no
open messages to unsort to read each message separately so they won't
open all at once and the letter T for setting them back to threaded so
I can do mass deletions.


Under the headers sub menu item, I have normal checked. This avoids
the full headers which take up a massive amount of space with
gibberish most people don't understand.


Under the message body as item, I have simple HTML which suffices for
most purposes.


The display attachments inline should be unchecked--otherwise files
you attach which are binary or music will create a lot of gibberish
that no one can read.


Now here are a few shortcut and hotkeys to get you started. Many of
them are similar to Outlook Express with a few notable exceptions.


To bring up the address book where you can create e-mail address and
properly send e-mail, the keystroke is control+ shift + B. From the
address book, check the various sub menus for how to create new
entries (control + N) and so on.


To start a new message from scratch without using the address book,
the keystroke is Control + N.

To reply to a message you have received the keystroke is Control + R.
If you wish to respond to everyone in the headers the keystroke is
control + shift + R.

Here's one odd one. To forward a message, press control + L. This
differs from most other Microsoft clients which use Control +

F.

Control + F is used either to find messages in a folder with no open
messages, or to find text in an open message.

To attach a file, from an open message you are writing, press control
+ shift + A. This opens a browse for folder/file dialogue where you
can move to the default folder for attachments.

Once you have completed writing a message, you can either configure
the message to be sent immediately under your account settings or you
can use the keystroke control + enter to send the message. If send
immediately is not configured, you will receive a prompt to send the
message after pressing control + enter to whcih you respond yes.


As far as navigation from folder to folder, the easiest way to do this
in my opinion is to use the Function key 6 (F6) keystroke that will
move ou from the list of messages, to the tabs to the folder list. For
example, if you are in the list of messages and you press F6, you
should go to the folder list. One important thing to remember is that
first letter navigation within the folder list is not possible for
some reason. Unlike in Outlook Express, you must use up and down
arrow keys to move from one folder to another in the tree view and
then press tab once to move to the list of messages in each folder.
That's one big drawback.


For any more settings issues, use the tools menu alt + T and choose
options. There are a bunch of settings for everything from signatures
to just how return receipts are handled. Explore these settings and
make preferred choices.


As with any new program, check under the various menus--both from the
main inbox folder and from wsithin a new message or open message to
get further tips and tricks as to how to use the program.





On 12/4/2016 2:52 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hello every one.
i tried mozilla thunderbird for the second time without any success.
i could not do anything with it.
could you please send me a link which contains complete tutorial in
using thunderbird with nvda?
thanks extremely for your help and God bless you all.
--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"




--
<b>Check out the new location of my accessibility central website for NVDA
tutorials, NVDA road tested programs, and other eyesight related topics.
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ If you would like to keep up to date
with whats being updated on our website, you can also follow us on facebook
by visiting
the following link
https://en-gb.facebook.com/people/AccessibilityCentral-Net/100009727930216
Also, check out which New Zealand libraries have the NVDA screen reader
available by visiting the following link
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries





Re: whats the best and most accessible player for me?

mk360
 

For me, media player clasic homecinema for video and foobar2000 for audio. Also winamp continues working including windows 10.

El 09/12/2016 a las 10:42, nasrin khaksar escribió:
hello every one.
here you are my cryteria for best player and i am waiting for your guide.
i need a very simple and accessible player which nvda supports great.
i need playing files and folders.
i need repeate, shuffle, audio capture, great quality of voice and
also changing speed without loss of quality.
i wished that use vlc media player, but it was not accessible.
for example: in the settings, nvda announces fonts attributes of the options!
and also says pain pain pain pain many time before saying options and menus!

i could not find its shortcuts and i could not use most of my
cryterian which i need!


Re: whats the best and most accessible player for me?

 

did you try GomAudio?
i mean gom audio player not gom media player which have adverts and
needs more system resources.
i was not comfortable with gom media player.
do you have a tutorial for vlc media player?
or whats your idea about AllPlayer?

On 12/9/16, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hello every one.
here you are my cryteria for best player and i am waiting for your guide.
i need a very simple and accessible player which nvda supports great.
i need playing files and folders.
i need repeate, shuffle, audio capture, great quality of voice and
also changing speed without loss of quality.
i wished that use vlc media player, but it was not accessible.
for example: in the settings, nvda announces fonts attributes of the
options!
and also says pain pain pain pain many time before saying options and
menus!

i could not find its shortcuts and i could not use most of my
cryterian which i need!

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


whats the best and most accessible player for me?

 

hello every one.
here you are my cryteria for best player and i am waiting for your guide.
i need a very simple and accessible player which nvda supports great.
i need playing files and folders.
i need repeate, shuffle, audio capture, great quality of voice and
also changing speed without loss of quality.
i wished that use vlc media player, but it was not accessible.
for example: in the settings, nvda announces fonts attributes of the options!
and also says pain pain pain pain many time before saying options and menus!

i could not find its shortcuts and i could not use most of my
cryterian which i need!

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: Development of a new braille display driver

Buddy Brannan
 

Now you can't just say something like that and not tell us anything about said new braille display!

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Email: buddy@...

On Dec 9, 2016, at 1:19 AM, Shyam Shah <shyam.shah511@...> wrote:

Hi,
I am Shyam from India. I run an assistive technology company - Innovision. We are coming up with a braille display and need to develop a driver for the NVDA screen reader. Could anyone guide me to the right person for this job?

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Thanks,

Shyam Shah
CEO & Co-founder INNOVISION
www.innovisiontech.co


Re: Updating add-ons

Brennen Kinch
 

I think it is the same it's just a bit difficult when you have a lot of addonsto go to each and every webpage to try and find the information

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 9, 2016, at 12:28 AM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi


I did read something about auto updating from I think it was Joseph but
I can not find it now.


it sounds like it will take a bit of time to do.


I do not like the update feature in another screen reader I tried out
called Window eyes unless I have installed those add ons my self. The
idea is a good one, depending how much work it involves.


There is a add on called weather plus that I like but it also alerts you
of a new add on when it has been updated and when installed it will not
remind you any more. it is easy to install that way as well.

Not sure how much extra work it would be for the authors of the add ons
but it saves me looking when i get that alert. But looking does not hurt
any how.


could the same idea ben used for other add ons that come off the main
website? or do they come from the authors website?


I find no problem with going to the website any how to get the add ons
they only get installed now and again.


If a person goes into the manage add ons section there is a button you
can press enter on that takes you to that add on page.

That is the main one.


Any type of software i use i look around it to see what features there
are how to use it etc.

I thought it wouldive been the same with nvda.


Gene nz




On 9/12/2016 3:40 PM, Robert Kingett wrote:
as of right now you basically have to go to the add ons website and
download new versions manually. there was talk of adding automatic
updates but people think it is too much work to do for people who can
just check for updates on the website anyway. The thread is below if
you want to read it but there is not enough interest it looks like for
people to make this happen.

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/3208#issuecomment-260018010


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Re: how to use mozilla thunderbird with nvda?

 

hi every one.
thanks for your suggestions and advice.
hi gene.
thanks extremely for your link.
it was expected link that i realy need it!
i downloaded the tutorial to study it.
i made firefox as default browser and thunderbird my default email client.
but my emails were opened with firefox!

On 12/8/16, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi


the following link might help him. It can be found at
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/accessible%20email%20client%20mozilla%20thunderbird.html

it makes me wonder if he is opening it in a new tab and not a new window.


the link should get him up and running and there are some views etc he
can set thunder bird to as well.


I am wondering as well is he talking about when a link is pressed on
that it is bringing it up in another browser.


He should be able to set mozilla fire fox as the default.


gene nz



On 5/12/2016 1:41 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Also, I forgot, I am using NVDA latest version 2016.3 for Thunderbird.
It works just fine.



On 12/4/2016 7:08 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi,
thanks extremely for your detailed and great information!
i should practice them to learn them!
when i opened one message, my firefox opened it instead of my
thunderbird!
how to open them with thunderbird and set it to be easy as firefox?
i tried desabling the preference under general and unfortunately
thunderbird stors all tabs and messages which i opened previously.
besides, whats the best version in simplicity and accessibility easy
to use with nvda?
whats the best versions in this regard?
is there any advance settings that i should change like advance
settings in firefox about:config
God bless you and his infinite mercy i pray for you.

On 12/4/16, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:
Hi Again,


I forgot a few important items.


You may be having confusion because of the start page issue. Under
tools/options/general, uncheck the box that says 'show the start
page in
the message area.' This way, when you launch Thunderbird, you will go
directly to your list of folder/messages.


If you receive a message with an attachment, with the message open,
press alt + M for the message item and H for the attachments item. You
will then see a bunch of choices including open (the name of the file
attachment) open all, save all and so on.


You can also use tab and shift tab to get to the attachments and use
the
right click (context menu) item, but this is a bit cumbersome, so i
prefer the former method.


Also, I find the following to work well--though a bit cumbersome when
trying to place addresses in various of the CC/BCC/To fields.


If you open a new message and back tab 8 times, you are placed in the
list of addresses in your default or main address book. If you want to
do a mass mailing, thenyou can arrow down or use first letter
navigation (which works for the address book, and select address with
the control + space bar method and then press the following keystrokes
to place large numbers of addresses into the various fields.


alt + A for To field

alt + C for CC field

alt + B for BCC field.


If you wish to place various addresses in multiple field, each time you
place them there, you will have to back tab again until you hear
'contacts, tree view.' This will place you back into the list of
addresses to continue choosing separate fields until you have completed
your list of mass addresses. It is a bit cumbersome, but unless
someone
else has figured out a better way, it is better than going directly
from
the address book and then moving around the list and right clicking and
tghen choosing write and then moving the addresses around from field to
field to that you have some in the to field, some in the cc field and
some in the bcc field.


I hope this meandering list of commands over the course of two messages
helps someone some way.





On 12/4/2016 6:10 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hello:


Thunderbird is pretty straight forward. Once you install the
program, you must set up your account. By default, after the first
installation, this screen comes up--where you enter your e-mail
address, name, server settings and so on. If for some reason, it does
not come up after the first installation, then you can find settings
for the e-mail account under the tools menu (alt +
T) and the accounting settings (press S after alt + T) item.


Once the account settings screen comes up, tab once to the account
settings button and press space bar. A context menu opens and one of
the choice is 'add e-mail account.' If you choose this item, a
standard mail configuration screen comes up and you fill in your
information.


Now here are a few settings that I prefer. Others may have different
opinions. I came from the Outlook Express experience in earlier
versions of Windows, so I set my view settings as follows.


Under the tool bars menu under view, I have menu bar and status bar
checked.

Under the layout sub menu item under view, I have the folder pain
checked and the classic view item checked. I do not have the message
pain checked. This causes problems with many screen reader users. If
this gets checked by accident, it toggles on and off with the press of
the function Key 8 on your keyboard.


Under the folder sub menu item under view, I have the all item
checked--nothing else.


Under the today pane, I have none checked--nothing else. This feature
is nice for sighted people, but it can cause issues for screen
readers.


The sort by item is up to you. I have date and ascending order
checked which places the most recent messages at the bottom of the
list in each folder.


The thread sub menu item is also personal preference but I have all
checked and then I use the command letter N when in a folder with no
open messages to unsort to read each message separately so they won't
open all at once and the letter T for setting them back to threaded so
I can do mass deletions.


Under the headers sub menu item, I have normal checked. This avoids
the full headers which take up a massive amount of space with
gibberish most people don't understand.


Under the message body as item, I have simple HTML which suffices for
most purposes.


The display attachments inline should be unchecked--otherwise files
you attach which are binary or music will create a lot of gibberish
that no one can read.


Now here are a few shortcut and hotkeys to get you started. Many of
them are similar to Outlook Express with a few notable exceptions.


To bring up the address book where you can create e-mail address and
properly send e-mail, the keystroke is control+ shift + B. From the
address book, check the various sub menus for how to create new
entries (control + N) and so on.


To start a new message from scratch without using the address book,
the keystroke is Control + N.

To reply to a message you have received the keystroke is Control + R.
If you wish to respond to everyone in the headers the keystroke is
control + shift + R.

Here's one odd one. To forward a message, press control + L. This
differs from most other Microsoft clients which use Control +

F.

Control + F is used either to find messages in a folder with no open
messages, or to find text in an open message.

To attach a file, from an open message you are writing, press control
+ shift + A. This opens a browse for folder/file dialogue where you
can move to the default folder for attachments.

Once you have completed writing a message, you can either configure
the message to be sent immediately under your account settings or you
can use the keystroke control + enter to send the message. If send
immediately is not configured, you will receive a prompt to send the
message after pressing control + enter to whcih you respond yes.


As far as navigation from folder to folder, the easiest way to do this
in my opinion is to use the Function key 6 (F6) keystroke that will
move ou from the list of messages, to the tabs to the folder list. For
example, if you are in the list of messages and you press F6, you
should go to the folder list. One important thing to remember is that
first letter navigation within the folder list is not possible for
some reason. Unlike in Outlook Express, you must use up and down
arrow keys to move from one folder to another in the tree view and
then press tab once to move to the list of messages in each folder.
That's one big drawback.


For any more settings issues, use the tools menu alt + T and choose
options. There are a bunch of settings for everything from signatures
to just how return receipts are handled. Explore these settings and
make preferred choices.


As with any new program, check under the various menus--both from the
main inbox folder and from wsithin a new message or open message to
get further tips and tricks as to how to use the program.





On 12/4/2016 2:52 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hello every one.
i tried mozilla thunderbird for the second time without any success.
i could not do anything with it.
could you please send me a link which contains complete tutorial in
using thunderbird with nvda?
thanks extremely for your help and God bless you all.
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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"




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<b>Check out the new location of my accessibility central website for NVDA
tutorials, NVDA road tested programs, and other eyesight related topics.
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ If you would like to keep up to date
with whats being updated on our website, you can also follow us on facebook
by visiting
the following link
https://en-gb.facebook.com/people/AccessibilityCentral-Net/100009727930216
Also, check out which New Zealand libraries have the NVDA screen reader
available by visiting the following link
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries




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we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: NVDA and Open Office

 

brian,
libreoffice has the feature embedded font option.
you can enter the fonts and give your document to anyone did not
install the fonts which is used in libreoffice.

On 12/9/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:
Even some sighted persons aare finding weird things happening in open
Office, I was told by some people of a bug that keeps losing the font you
have selected, if its elite anything that for some reason can lock it up or

just reveert back to a previous choice.
I suppose over the years there have been so many versions of this code that

originated I believe in IBM circles that not everyone working on it today
knows implications of changes they make in unlikely areas of the code.
Brian

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From: "Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io" <wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2016 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Open Office


I also love both LibreOffice and NVDA. I even prefer LibreOffice over MS
Office.

But when my vision got worse and I started to use NVDA, I noted many
compatibility issues. The problems are there even with successively new
versions of both softwares.
The usability is difficult and is only possible with a lot of patience.
I don't understand why this is happening, where is the open source
"spirit"? Why the developers of LibreOffice and NVDA can't work together
to solve that issues?
If I had sufficient programmin knowledge, I myself would do all possible
to help.
At the moment, all we can do is wait for better new versions and,
meanwhile, build a supply of good patience.


Em 08/12/2016 11:13, nasrin khaksar escreveu:
i realy love nvda and opensource programs.
but i wish that can use say all in using libreoffice with nvda.
do you have a solution for this?

On 12/8/16, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io
<wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Hi, Gene,


I am aware of the F6 and ALT+TAB keys to solve some annoyances" of
LibreOffice with NVDA, but it is not the case here. My problems arise
when I want to browse large documents using the same keystrokes I use
in
HTML (H for titles work in MS Word!). The F6 is a shortcut to move
between the "structure" of the application and is not related to the
NVDA command NVDA+SPACE used to toggle between browse and edit modes,
and this is really what I want to do.

Additionally, when NVDA "freezes" with LibreOffice, using ALT+TAB will
only show me that other applications are being read normally and only
LibreOffice are stopping NVDA.

What I call "annoyances" are a series of compatibility problems between
LibreOffice and NVDA. In various messages I listed only some of them,
but as I work with very complex spreadsheets, they slow down my work.

I like LibreOffice and also like NVDA and feel very disapointed when I
have so many "annoyances" using both together.

As these are open source software, I think the developers should make
all efforts to solve the compatibility problems.



Em 07/12/2016 10:31, The Gamages escreveu:
Hello,

I can't speak for Open office or the calc spreadsheet in Libre office,
but to get over the problem of documents in writer becoming uneditable
you can press the F6 function key followed by escape, pressing Alt tab
a few times wil bring you back to an editable document as well.



Best Regards, Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 10:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Open Office

Hi,


In my experience, both OpenOffice and LibreOffice are, to say the
least,
problematic with NVDA.

The most annoying behavior es when NVDA suddenly stops. If you press
ALT+TAB, other open applications continue to be read by NVDA, only
office is muted. I tried many things, like pressing F2 to enter and
exit
edit mode (in spreadsheets), but the only way to solve the problem is
reinitialize NVDA.

In many spreadsheets, to make NVDA announce the cells contents after
you open the file is only accomplished by first pressing F2 two times
to
enter and exit edit mode.

In Writer, the NVDA+SPACE don't work at all.

In more slow computers, the problems are worsened. In a very complex
spreadsheet, Calc even stops responding for many minutes.
Other annoyance in Calc is the way NVDA reads the results: even if you
configure the cells to 2 or 3 decimal places, the whole number is
announced.
I noted also that NVDA has problems to read only the contents of each
cell: it keeps reading the contents of the formula toolbar and one has
to continually press arrows to move focus and force NVDA to read the
contents.
As I can't afford MS Office, I am still struggling with Calc.
Unfortunately, in each new release of NVDA there are many improvements
related to MS Office but none related to OpenOffice or LibreOffice.
So, if you can, use MS Office, or, if you have a lot of patience, use
LibreOfice.


Em 06/12/2016 12:41, Robert Kingett escreveu:
It works well even if you do not have Java installed. It is more
accessible than Libreoffice but Libreoffice is a better program in
every other way.












--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: card games that work with NVDA

Greg Wocher
 

Hello,

GMA Games has some card games that work with NVDA. Go to:

www.gmagames.com

Once there look in the free games section to find it.


Regards,

Greg Wocher

On 12/8/2016 8:35 PM, Wayne Melling wrote:
Hi Don,

I use the card games at Spoonbill Software and they work great with NDVA
and windows 10.

The web site is http://www.spoonbillsoftware.com.au/blindgamers.htm


On 12/8/2016 7:31 PM, Don H wrote:
Are there any free card games or other games that work well with NVDA?
Thanks



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This morning my main email address, not the one I'm posting from here contained lots of emails from members of this list. of course, since they all had Hi from a list member as their subject line my suspicions arose straight away. All had more or less the same txt about thanks for your help on the list, never naming the list, and asking that I view their profile on a link.
Like hell I thought. so if anyone does email me and are really from here, be sure that you use some way to be sure you are not an internet phisher-person or I'll delete it just in case.
I expect many here have had the same, but just in case, I thought it worth a mention.
I guess the scammers need Christmas presents as well....
:-)
Brian

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Re: NVDA and Open Office

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Even some sighted persons aare finding weird things happening in open Office, I was told by some people of a bug that keeps losing the font you have selected, if its elite anything that for some reason can lock it up or just reveert back to a previous choice.
I suppose over the years there have been so many versions of this code that originated I believe in IBM circles that not everyone working on it today knows implications of changes they make in unlikely areas of the code.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io" <wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2016 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Open Office


I also love both LibreOffice and NVDA. I even prefer LibreOffice over MS Office.

But when my vision got worse and I started to use NVDA, I noted many compatibility issues. The problems are there even with successively new versions of both softwares.
The usability is difficult and is only possible with a lot of patience.
I don't understand why this is happening, where is the open source "spirit"? Why the developers of LibreOffice and NVDA can't work together to solve that issues?
If I had sufficient programmin knowledge, I myself would do all possible to help.
At the moment, all we can do is wait for better new versions and, meanwhile, build a supply of good patience.


Em 08/12/2016 11:13, nasrin khaksar escreveu:
i realy love nvda and opensource programs.
but i wish that can use say all in using libreoffice with nvda.
do you have a solution for this?

On 12/8/16, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io
<wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Hi, Gene,


I am aware of the F6 and ALT+TAB keys to solve some annoyances" of
LibreOffice with NVDA, but it is not the case here. My problems arise
when I want to browse large documents using the same keystrokes I use in
HTML (H for titles work in MS Word!). The F6 is a shortcut to move
between the "structure" of the application and is not related to the
NVDA command NVDA+SPACE used to toggle between browse and edit modes,
and this is really what I want to do.

Additionally, when NVDA "freezes" with LibreOffice, using ALT+TAB will
only show me that other applications are being read normally and only
LibreOffice are stopping NVDA.

What I call "annoyances" are a series of compatibility problems between
LibreOffice and NVDA. In various messages I listed only some of them,
but as I work with very complex spreadsheets, they slow down my work.

I like LibreOffice and also like NVDA and feel very disapointed when I
have so many "annoyances" using both together.

As these are open source software, I think the developers should make
all efforts to solve the compatibility problems.



Em 07/12/2016 10:31, The Gamages escreveu:
Hello,

I can't speak for Open office or the calc spreadsheet in Libre office,
but to get over the problem of documents in writer becoming uneditable
you can press the F6 function key followed by escape, pressing Alt tab
a few times wil bring you back to an editable document as well.



Best Regards, Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 10:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Open Office

Hi,


In my experience, both OpenOffice and LibreOffice are, to say the least,
problematic with NVDA.

The most annoying behavior es when NVDA suddenly stops. If you press
ALT+TAB, other open applications continue to be read by NVDA, only
office is muted. I tried many things, like pressing F2 to enter and exit
edit mode (in spreadsheets), but the only way to solve the problem is
reinitialize NVDA.

In many spreadsheets, to make NVDA announce the cells contents after
you open the file is only accomplished by first pressing F2 two times to
enter and exit edit mode.

In Writer, the NVDA+SPACE don't work at all.

In more slow computers, the problems are worsened. In a very complex
spreadsheet, Calc even stops responding for many minutes.
Other annoyance in Calc is the way NVDA reads the results: even if you
configure the cells to 2 or 3 decimal places, the whole number is
announced.
I noted also that NVDA has problems to read only the contents of each
cell: it keeps reading the contents of the formula toolbar and one has
to continually press arrows to move focus and force NVDA to read the
contents.
As I can't afford MS Office, I am still struggling with Calc.
Unfortunately, in each new release of NVDA there are many improvements
related to MS Office but none related to OpenOffice or LibreOffice.
So, if you can, use MS Office, or, if you have a lot of patience, use
LibreOfice.


Em 06/12/2016 12:41, Robert Kingett escreveu:
It works well even if you do not have Java installed. It is more
accessible than Libreoffice but Libreoffice is a better program in
every other way.









Re: Microsoft Windows 10 Mail App

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Hmm, to be honest I have had so many issues with this app when I looked at it seriously after the anniversary update its lack of filters, newsgroup support and its apparent cussedness in general made me resurrect Outlook express vie a code add on being put on line so it works in 7 8 and 10.
I really do not understand the microsoft ethos on making this app, even Live mail seems better than this unless you want tonka toy dumbed down email and that is it.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES)" <steven.hicks@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2016 7:09 AM
Subject: [nvda] Microsoft Windows 10 Mail App


With the new RC1 of NVDA, if I use CTRL+R to reply to a message, I don't seem to be able to read it back with the arrow keys, does anyone have any ideas please?



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Re: Updating add-ons

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Well I'm happy to test things as I do have machines that can be allowed to fall over and not mess up my life, but as for coding, no, not up though that realistically.
I do feel though as I've said in this thread before that one might well be creating a hackers charter here if one is not very careful indeed.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <@joslee>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2016 7:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Updating add-ons


Hi,
As one of the investigators regarding add-on updates, the issue now is
cooperation. But before I continue, let me try my best to spell out exactly
what I and other developers are looking at:
* Do we think this is high priority: yes, although not as high as making
sure you get great experience with Microsoft Office and what not.
* Does this involve making technical changes: yes. This requires changes
from both NVDA itself and the add-ons website.
* Is this task difficult: yes and no. No, because client part (NVDA itself)
can be modified easily; a bit difficult as NVDA developers and add-on
writers must cooperate on getting this right, especially changes required on
the server side (add-ons web server).
* Will all add-ons out there receive this feature: no. Only add-ons
registered on the NVDA Community Add-ons website will have this capability
for now.
* How many people and how long: at least four or five people (two or three
developers, several users to test this), and this feature will take at least
six months to implement (a few weeks to design and code, a few weeks to test
and validate, and at least three months for add-on authors to adjust to
changes).
* If I am to work on this, what knowledge do I need to possess: intermediate
Python, familiarity with how web request API works, databases, web server
administration, good leadership skills, willingness to work with others. In
other words, if you think you can just code and submit pull requests and
nothing else, or just wish from the sidelines and not have mindset to test
this and give proactive feedback, this isn't probably something for you to
work on (I am indeed serious, and when I say I am serious, I really mean
it).
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New
Zealand
Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2016 9:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Updating add-ons

Hi


I did read something about auto updating from I think it was Joseph but I
can not find it now.


it sounds like it will take a bit of time to do.


I do not like the update feature in another screen reader I tried out
called Window eyes unless I have installed those add ons my self. The
idea is a good one, depending how much work it involves.


There is a add on called weather plus that I like but it also alerts you
of a new add on when it has been updated and when installed it will not
remind you any more. it is easy to install that way as well.

Not sure how much extra work it would be for the authors of the add ons
but it saves me looking when i get that alert. But looking does not hurt
any how.


could the same idea ben used for other add ons that come off the main
website? or do they come from the authors website?


I find no problem with going to the website any how to get the add ons
they only get installed now and again.


If a person goes into the manage add ons section there is a button you
can press enter on that takes you to that add on page.

That is the main one.


Any type of software i use i look around it to see what features there
are how to use it etc.

I thought it wouldive been the same with nvda.


Gene nz




On 9/12/2016 3:40 PM, Robert Kingett wrote:
as of right now you basically have to go to the add ons website and
download new versions manually. there was talk of adding automatic
updates but people think it is too much work to do for people who can
just check for updates on the website anyway. The thread is below if
you want to read it but there is not enough interest it looks like for
people to make this happen.

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/3208#issuecomment-260018010


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