Hi chris

The issue is that I honestly can't use the tablet at all the way it is at the moment, so I'd need a keyboard to be able to install an addon.
I don't even know how useable the tablet would be with nvda running for a sighted person.

I have a bluetooth keyboard, but obviously can't get into settings to connect it.

Rob

On 20/03/2016 16:20, Chris wrote:

yeah you do lose some of the touch screen functionality when using together with a screen reader
Narrator is probably the best to use in conjunction with a touch screen and gestures, but that has its own issues as youn may know

you may want to try the enhanced gestures add-on for nvda, that may improve things a bit

good luck



On 20/03/2016 15:56, rob wrote:

Hi folks

Today, I received a linx 8, windows tablet. Running windows 8.1, after getting set up with some sighted assistance to install NVDA. and before anyone says it, reading the user guide, I find myself completely lost and baffled as to how one goes about using a touchscreen with nvda.

All of the gestures mentioned in the guide, such as, two finger double tap to open the nvda menu, three finger tap to change touch modes, flicking from left to right, up/down. double tapping, fail to register. I get some information when putting my finger on a random part of the screen, or sliding around, but nothing worth mentioning.

Am I missing something, or is it just very buggy?
also, I'm using nvda 16.1

Regards

Rob

Hello,

Working with text from within Balabolka is not screen reader friendly.
At least not when using NVDA.
But you can open a file (e.g. PDF) in Balabolka, select the whole text
content with Control+A and copy it to the clipboard with Control+C.
Note however, that NVDA will not report that you have selected any
text. Then you can paste the copied text in some accessible text
editor like Notepad, AkelPad, Notepad++, etc. and work with it from
there.
Alternatively, after opening the file in Balabolka, you can save it to
plain text file (*.txt) from menu File -> Save as in Balabolka and
choose "Text File" from the "Save as type" combo box in the "Save as"
dialog. Then you can opened the saved plain text (*.txt) file in any
accessible plain text editor (Notepad, AkelPad, Notepad++, etc.) and
work with it from there.
Note however, that Balabolka's text extraction methods don't preserve
some formating information, including the page breaks and the pages
get merged in one large file with in some cases no distinction between
pages. In most cases however, there is at least one blank line between
pages, so you'll be able to distinct them from one another.
Even with all those suggestions for workarounds however, I strongly
suggest you to firstly try to open the PDF files in Acrobat Reader DC
and work with the text from within it, before trying any other PDF
viewer like Balabolka. Acrobat Reader DC is free and can be downloaded
from Adobe's website. You can copy text from PDF files from Acrobat
Reader DC, unless the PDF file in question is protected in a way that
prevents text copying to work at all. But in such a case, I doubt that
you be able to extract/copy text from such a PDF file even with
another PDF viewer like Balabolka for example.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

На 20.3.2016 г. в 10:52, nasrin khaksar написа:

hi every one.
i realy appreciate you if someone help me to learn how to use
balabolka, select words lines pages and copy and peist my selection.
i need working with pdf documents and now the only solution for me is
balabolka.
because sumatra is not accessible until now.
thanks so much and god bless you.

On 3/19/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:

I've had little luck with this software either, so don't think its just
you.

I suspect there is probably a distinct version which we have to use,
but I
do not know which it is and where to get it!
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 4:02 AM
Subject: [nvda] about balabolka and nvda.

hi every one.
i use balabolka and tried many versions of it.
but unfortunately i cant use it by nvda easily.
for example: when i want to select one character, one word, one line
and press shift left and right, shift control left and right, shift up
and shift down nvda does not announce anything and i cant understand
what do i am doing.
who can teach me to solve this problem?
thanks for your help and god bless you.

--
Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins them
good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things
and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their
burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for] those who
believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which
has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org

----- Original Message -----

From: The Gamages

To: nvda@groups.io

Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 9:33 AM

Subject: [nvda] test please read

Hello list members,

I am not receiving messages from the groups io list,  any response would be appreciated to  make sure my ISP is not blocking the messages, thank you

Best Regards, Jim.

My portable copy of nvda just crashed or something. There was just suddenly no speech at all and I hit nvda q to do a restart and I got nothing so I hit ctrl alt n and that started my installed copy and all is good again. I've noticed that occasionally the portable version will do some odd things like not speaking as it should and not reading items in a list as I arrow up and down but if I start my installed copy it is normal again. I don't know if there's any kind of log for the portable version so if someone can tell me where that log might be and where to send it, I'd be glad to do so and maybe track down a problem.

Roger

I'm about to pull out what's left of my hair out. Could anyone help me? I can't figure out what our local ABC affiliate in Charlotte NC did to their flash settings. the website is:
www.wsoctv.com
Find the heading link labeled watch live. It used to play straight away, but as of yesterday it doesn't.There is a clickable imbeded object. I went into focus mode and hit numbpad enter and nothing happens. Thanks.

Hello list members,

I am not receiving messages from the groups io list,  any response would be appreciated to  make sure my ISP is not blocking the messages, thank you

Best Regards, Jim.

Hello list members,

I am not receiving messages from the groups io list,  any response would be appreciated to  make sure my ISP is not blocking the messages, thank you

Best Regards, Jim.

Thank you so very much.

Scott

On 3/16/2016 11:24 AM, Bhavya shah wrote:

Hi Scott,
I will respond with two things here:
* 100 is the loudest and 0 is the softest volume you can acquire.
* If you are wondering what difference exists between the three
sliders, the NVDACon page explains that by the following quotes:
'5. While in any room, you will see three slider controls after the
list of channels (rooms and channels are the same thing), along with
an edit field. The first edit field is for system and user messages.
The second lets you chat by typing text and pressing enter. The first
slider changes your microphone's sensitivity (gain), the second
changes the volume of the room in general as you hear it, and we are
not sure what the third one does.'
Also, to test your mike audio, in earlier conferences, we did have a
mike audio testing room specifically, but due to technicalities I am
unaware of, our server administrator tells us this may not be possible
to implement in Teamtalk 5, or this NVDACon. If I remember correctly,
the alternative way of checking your microphone is by pressing Ctrl +
4 in any room or channel, and your audio should be echoed back for
your understanding and testing, as I was earlier told by someone.

By the way, for the Android users on this list, I would also like to
mention that the Teamtalk Android app is in development stage
currently, but you still might want to try it out from
http://bearware.dk/?p=279 as its optimal accessibility with Talkback
is explicitly assured. A friend of mine and myself are going to test
the Teamtalk Android app ourselves as well. Will share our findings
once we are thoroughly done with our assessment.
Thanks.

On 3/16/16, Scott VanDeWalle <scottvandewalle2@...> wrote:

Hello Bhavya.
I installed teamtalk just now.
It appears like i'm connected, well not at the exact moment as i write
this but i did get into the rooms.
But, now since there is nobody there, how do i test my audio?
And those sliders for the microphone, is 0 or 100 the loudest.
I'm asking because sometimes programs i have run into can be different
in that respect.
Talk to you later.

Scott

On 3/15/2016 6:48 AM, Bhavya shah wrote:

Hi Scott,
Well, do let us know in case you have some specific Teamtalk problems
or troubleshooting requirements, and the TT experts here may be able
to help you.
Just to note, you can communicate in the conference via text messages
as well as audio conversation. Text chats are always recognized and
read out by others. If microphone configuration with TT is an issue
for you, hope that may no longer need to be an impediment for
participation in NVDACon. :) smiles
Thanks.

On 3/15/16, Scott VanDeWalle <scottvandewalle2@...> wrote:

Hello, i plan to be there, if i can get team talk working on my system.
I tried before and it didn't work, so we'll see i guess.smile.

Scott

On 3/14/2016 9:56 PM, Bhavya shah wrote:

Hi Scott, Joseph and others,
It was great fun for me too to be a part of the recent Accessible
World Techtalk presentation, and am thankful to Joseph for the same.
Just like this recent Techtalk event related to NVDA, I would
encourage everyone to participate in this, and future events,
including the NVDACon International 2016, of course. Looking forward
to seeing you out there, Scott, and many others.
Thanks.

On 3/15/16, Scott VanDeWalle <scottvandewalle2@...> wrote:

Hello Joseph and all.
First of all I wanted to say thanks Joseph, that was fun to listen to.
I will have to reinstall the plugin though because I tried to talk and
it didn't work i think.
But, thanks again.
Maybe some day I'll actually get to talk to you all in voice during
one
of these things.

I'm planning to be there during at least some of the nvda con
sessions.
Sounds like it'll be fun.

Well, that is all for now.

Talk to you all later.

Scott V

On 18 Mar 2016, at 5:14 PM, Andrea Sherry <sherryan@...> wrote:

Are any messages coming through to the list today?
Andrea
--
Though no one can go back and make a brand new start, anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending." - Carl Brad

Hi Moti

The way I usually read them is with the review text command in NVDA

On the numeric keypad, I will use the number one for previous character, the number 2 for current character and the number 3 for next character or in your case numbers. I am using a desktop pc and have the numeric keypad so this can be done.

Depending what it is in as well you might even be able to do it with the left and right arrow keys.

I think also some of the paid synths will do it, but i find the review text commands do the trick for me plus i can copy them if needed.

Gene nz



On 21-Mar-16 8:20 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:

i tried it and when i peisted my document the part which i selected my
selections were not peisted.

On 3/20/16, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:

hi geen and ron.
your suggestion for using f9 and f10 is great and i have been forgotten it.
thanks extremely for your help and god bless you.

On 3/20/16, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi

Is it the whole document you want to copy? If so once it is in balabulka
and showing, if you just want to copy the text, and you want the whole
document, use the ctrl key + the letter A. This will select the whole
document. You can then use the ctrl key + the letter C to copy it to
another document. Then it is a matter of pasing it in the new document
with the CTRL key and the letter V

NVDA was reading what was copied into bulkbuka and i could use the CTRL
keys + the left or right arrow key to go word by word and also the say
all command.

As you mentioned I could not hear NVDA say when I was selecting text
using the shift key. I am not sure if it is because I am on windows 10
doing it.

If you only want certain parts out of it, you could use the F9 key to
start a mark oto mark where you want NVDA to copy from then go to the
end of the area where you want nVDA to stop the mark which is at the end
of the stuff you want. The NVDA key + the letter C will speak what is in
the clipboard, once the F10 key has copied it there.

You can also use the text review or is it the review text commands. They
are the ones on the numeric keypad.

The section in the user manual is 5.5. Reviewing Text
That section will give you all the keys you can use. This part of the
manual is useful fo rread only stuff where it can not be copied the
normal way.

hope this helps.

Gene nz


On 21-Mar-16 1:54 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:

my problem is with selection and for this reason i dont know which
line or word i am selecting, shurely i cant copy peist my desires.

On 3/20/16, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:

hi.
thanks for your answer.
i have problem with selection.
in text editor like notepad, akelpad, wordpad i can press shift with
down arrow key and nvda say selection.
when i press control shift right i can select word and nvda reads my
selection.
but unfortunately in balabolka does not say any of my selections and i
cant understand what do i do.

On 3/20/16, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:

Hi Group,

I have just opened a PDF file in Balabolka and I have had no problems
with reading, navigation or copy/paste.

I have used it in the past to convert lengthy text files and other
formats such as PDF, EPub and HTML to synthesized speech using the
Microsoft default voice of choice. I have the new legal Eloquence
SAPI
5 version which does a great job of interacting with the software. On
older slower computers: XP and early Windows 7, I did have a problem
with the program crashing when I tried converting lengthy text and
other
format files to speech. On my newer Windows 8.1 8 core with 16 GB
RAM,
I have no such issues.

Just what types of problems are you people having with the interface?

On 3/20/2016 5:46 AM, Kostadin Kolev wrote:

Hello,

Working with text from within Balabolka is not screen reader
friendly.
At least not when using NVDA.
But you can open a file (e.g. PDF) in Balabolka, select the whole
text
content with Control+A and copy it to the clipboard with Control+C.
Note however, that NVDA will not report that you have selected any
text. Then you can paste the copied text in some accessible text
editor like Notepad, AkelPad, Notepad++, etc. and work with it from
there.
Alternatively, after opening the file in Balabolka, you can save it
to
plain text file (*.txt) from menu File -> Save as in Balabolka and
choose "Text File" from the "Save as type" combo box in the "Save as"
dialog. Then you can opened the saved plain text (*.txt) file in any
accessible plain text editor (Notepad, AkelPad, Notepad++, etc.) and
work with it from there.
Note however, that Balabolka's text extraction methods don't preserve
some formating information, including the page breaks and the pages
get merged in one large file with in some cases no distinction
between
pages. In most cases however, there is at least one blank line
between
pages, so you'll be able to distinct them from one another.
Even with all those suggestions for workarounds however, I strongly
suggest you to firstly try to open the PDF files in Acrobat Reader DC
and work with the text from within it, before trying any other PDF
viewer like Balabolka. Acrobat Reader DC is free and can be
downloaded
from Adobe's website. You can copy text from PDF files from Acrobat
Reader DC, unless the PDF file in question is protected in a way that
prevents text copying to work at all. But in such a case, I doubt
that
you be able to extract/copy text from such a PDF file even with
another PDF viewer like Balabolka for example.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

На 20.3.2016 г. в 10:52, nasrin khaksar написа:

hi every one.
i realy appreciate you if someone help me to learn how to use
balabolka, select words lines pages and copy and peist my selection.
i need working with pdf documents and now the only solution for me
is
balabolka.
because sumatra is not accessible until now.
thanks so much and god bless you.

On 3/19/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
wrote:

I've had little luck with this software either, so don't think its
just
you.

I suspect there is probably a distinct version which we have to
use,
but I
do not know which it is and where to get it!
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 4:02 AM
Subject: [nvda] about balabolka and nvda.

hi every one.
i use balabolka and tried many versions of it.
but unfortunately i cant use it by nvda easily.
for example: when i want to select one character, one word, one
line
and press shift left and right, shift control left and right,
shift
up
and shift down nvda does not announce anything and i cant
understand
what do i am doing.
who can teach me to solve this problem?
thanks for your help and god bless you.

--
Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins
them
good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good
things
and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them
their
burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for] those
who
believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light
which
has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org

--
Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins them
good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things
and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their
burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for] those who
believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which
has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org

--
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related
material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net

--
Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins them
good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things
and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their
burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for] those who
believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which
has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org

i tried it and when i peisted my document the part which i selected my
selections were not peisted.

On 3/20/16, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:

hi geen and ron.
your suggestion for using f9 and f10 is great and i have been forgotten it.
thanks extremely for your help and god bless you.

On 3/20/16, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi

Is it the whole document you want to copy? If so once it is in balabulka
and showing, if you just want to copy the text, and you want the whole
document, use the ctrl key + the letter A. This will select the whole
document. You can then use the ctrl key + the letter C to copy it to
another document. Then it is a matter of pasing it in the new document
with the CTRL key and the letter V

NVDA was reading what was copied into bulkbuka and i could use the CTRL
keys + the left or right arrow key to go word by word and also the say
all command.

As you mentioned I could not hear NVDA say when I was selecting text
using the shift key. I am not sure if it is because I am on windows 10
doing it.

If you only want certain parts out of it, you could use the F9 key to
start a mark oto mark where you want NVDA to copy from then go to the
end of the area where you want nVDA to stop the mark which is at the end
of the stuff you want. The NVDA key + the letter C will speak what is in
the clipboard, once the F10 key has copied it there.

You can also use the text review or is it the review text commands. They
are the ones on the numeric keypad.

The section in the user manual is 5.5. Reviewing Text
That section will give you all the keys you can use. This part of the
manual is useful fo rread only stuff where it can not be copied the
normal way.

hope this helps.

Gene nz


On 21-Mar-16 1:54 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:

my problem is with selection and for this reason i dont know which
line or word i am selecting, shurely i cant copy peist my desires.

On 3/20/16, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:

hi.
thanks for your answer.
i have problem with selection.
in text editor like notepad, akelpad, wordpad i can press shift with
down arrow key and nvda say selection.
when i press control shift right i can select word and nvda reads my
selection.
but unfortunately in balabolka does not say any of my selections and i
cant understand what do i do.

On 3/20/16, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:

Hi Group,

I have just opened a PDF file in Balabolka and I have had no problems
with reading, navigation or copy/paste.

I have used it in the past to convert lengthy text files and other
formats such as PDF, EPub and HTML to synthesized speech using the
Microsoft default voice of choice. I have the new legal Eloquence
SAPI
5 version which does a great job of interacting with the software. On
older slower computers: XP and early Windows 7, I did have a problem
with the program crashing when I tried converting lengthy text and
other
format files to speech. On my newer Windows 8.1 8 core with 16 GB
RAM,
I have no such issues.

Just what types of problems are you people having with the interface?

On 3/20/2016 5:46 AM, Kostadin Kolev wrote:

Hello,

Working with text from within Balabolka is not screen reader
friendly.
At least not when using NVDA.
But you can open a file (e.g. PDF) in Balabolka, select the whole
text
content with Control+A and copy it to the clipboard with Control+C.
Note however, that NVDA will not report that you have selected any
text. Then you can paste the copied text in some accessible text
editor like Notepad, AkelPad, Notepad++, etc. and work with it from
there.
Alternatively, after opening the file in Balabolka, you can save it
to
plain text file (*.txt) from menu File -> Save as in Balabolka and
choose "Text File" from the "Save as type" combo box in the "Save as"
dialog. Then you can opened the saved plain text (*.txt) file in any
accessible plain text editor (Notepad, AkelPad, Notepad++, etc.) and
work with it from there.
Note however, that Balabolka's text extraction methods don't preserve
some formating information, including the page breaks and the pages
get merged in one large file with in some cases no distinction
between
pages. In most cases however, there is at least one blank line
between
pages, so you'll be able to distinct them from one another.
Even with all those suggestions for workarounds however, I strongly
suggest you to firstly try to open the PDF files in Acrobat Reader DC
and work with the text from within it, before trying any other PDF
viewer like Balabolka. Acrobat Reader DC is free and can be
downloaded
from Adobe's website. You can copy text from PDF files from Acrobat
Reader DC, unless the PDF file in question is protected in a way that
prevents text copying to work at all. But in such a case, I doubt
that
you be able to extract/copy text from such a PDF file even with
another PDF viewer like Balabolka for example.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

На 20.3.2016 г. в 10:52, nasrin khaksar написа:

hi every one.
i realy appreciate you if someone help me to learn how to use
balabolka, select words lines pages and copy and peist my selection.
i need working with pdf documents and now the only solution for me
is
balabolka.
because sumatra is not accessible until now.
thanks so much and god bless you.

On 3/19/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
wrote:

I've had little luck with this software either, so don't think its
just
you.

I suspect there is probably a distinct version which we have to
use,
but I
do not know which it is and where to get it!
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 4:02 AM
Subject: [nvda] about balabolka and nvda.

hi every one.
i use balabolka and tried many versions of it.
but unfortunately i cant use it by nvda easily.
for example: when i want to select one character, one word, one
line
and press shift left and right, shift control left and right,
shift
up
and shift down nvda does not announce anything and i cant
understand
what do i am doing.
who can teach me to solve this problem?
thanks for your help and god bless you.

--
Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins
them
good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good
things
and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them
their
burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for] those
who
believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light
which
has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org

--
Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins them
good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things
and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their
burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for] those who
believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which
has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org

--
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related
material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net

--
Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins them
good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things
and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their
burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for] those who
believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which
has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org