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Re: Dropbox problem (with fix)

Gary Bowers <gdbowers@...>
 

Thanks, Quentin. Very helpful.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 8:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Dropbox problem (with fix)

Hi everyone,

For anyone using the Dropbox app on Windows, there is a problem with accessing documents stored in your dropbox folder caused by a new feature in a recent update to Dropbox.

What is happening is that when you open a file from your Dropbox folder, it's popping up a mostly invisible window over the top of the Word / Excel window, and it puts it back there even if you alt+tab away and back. It's called the "Dropbox badge" and you need to go into the Dropbox preferences to get rid of it:

1. Press WINDOWS+B to go to the system tray
2. Press RIGHT ARROW to move to the Dropbox icon (it may also be in the System notification overflow).
3. Press ENTER to open the menu.
4. Press UP ARROW to go to Preferences and press ENTER
5. Press TAB 5 times to get to the "Dropbox Badge" grouping / combo box.
6. Press DOWN ARROW to get to "Never show".
7. Press ENTER to close the dropbox preferences.

Hopefully Dropbox will address this, however in the meantime, following this, documents in your dropbox folder should be accessible again.

Kind regards

Quentin.

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Re: Dropbox problem (with fix)

David Moore
 

Hi,

Thank you so much. I just went to the drop box preferences and turned off the show badge. I never knew about that. Wow, I really am grateful I read this.

DavidMoore

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 9:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Dropbox problem (with fix)

 

Hi everyone,

 

For anyone using the Dropbox app on Windows, there is a problem with accessing documents stored in your dropbox folder caused by a new feature in a recent update to Dropbox.

 

What is happening is that when you open a file from your Dropbox folder, it's popping up a mostly invisible window over the top of the Word / Excel window, and it puts it back there even if you alt+tab away and back. It's called the "Dropbox badge" and you need to go into the Dropbox preferences to get rid of it:

 

1. Press WINDOWS+B to go to the system tray

2. Press RIGHT ARROW to move to the Dropbox icon (it may also be in the System notification overflow).

3. Press ENTER to open the menu.

4. Press UP ARROW to go to Preferences and press ENTER

5. Press TAB 5 times to get to the "Dropbox Badge" grouping / combo box.

6. Press DOWN ARROW to get to "Never show".

7. Press ENTER to close the dropbox preferences.

 

Hopefully Dropbox will address this, however in the meantime, following this, documents in your dropbox folder should be accessible again.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 

 


Re: about nvda and selection of documents:

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Nasrin,

Good question.  A lot of big download sites have been caught out packaging things with software - not malware as such, but things like the Ask toolbar, which hijacks your browser's home page and so on and is generally not wanted.  To be honest, I know of Cnet and I've downloaded from them in the past but I'm not specifically aware of how much you need to be careful using them.  Mostly what I would suggest is that if a program has its own homepage, like Jarte does, then you are generally best off downloading directly from there - it ensures you have the latest version if nothing else.

I'm not too familiar with Primo PDF.  From their website (which is not overly friendly) - http://www.primopdf.com/ - it appears that Primo PDF is free, but most of the features are in Nitro PDF which they have a free trial of, and then it costs some amount of money.  Actually, when I went to the Primo PDF download link it directed me straight to CNET and on there I see a line encouraging me to buy Nitro PDF for just $139.99.  



On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 2:17 PM, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hi quentin,
thanks so much for your guide and your direct link.
i wante to ask about cnet.
is it secure and safe?
i heard someware that its a malitious website. but i am not sure.
is it true?
God bless you and his extreme mercy i pray for you all.

On 12/13/16, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
> hello every one again and thanks so much for experience and sharing
> them with me about jarte.
> primo pdf, is it free? is it accessible and does it support unicode?
>
> On 12/13/16, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
>> I would only recommend download from the original source, rather than a
>> third party site.  The original page for Jarte is:
>> http://www.jarte.com/index.html
>>
>> The direct download link is:
>> http://www.jarte.com/downloads/jarte_54_setup.exe
>>
>> (Note that that is to version 5.4 which is current as of this post, but
>> will change as new versions are released).
>>
>> I just tried that version and in trying to open a file created with Word
>> 2016, I get "Jarte can only open DOCX files on computers that have
>> Microsoft's Office 2007 compatibility pack installed." and encouraging me
>> to download that.
>>
>> There is a paid, "Plus" version of Jarte, although the feature list
>> doesn't
>> indicate anything about a difference in the compatible file types.  I
>> would
>> assume that either version needs that converter.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Quentin.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 6:26 AM, Peter Beasley <pjbeasley23@...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I use Jarte plus and  havbe no  problems.
>>>
>>> *From:* Gene <gsasner@...>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 12, 2016 5:53 PM
>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:
>>>
>>> I have JARTE on my machine but not a current version.  The only way to
>>> test this may be to install the current version and find out.  Or the
>>> answer may be found in a google search.  Whatever the case, I may do
>>> some
>>> checking if we don't get a definite answer from other list members.
>>>
>>> Gene
>>> ----- original Message -----
>>> *From:* Dejan Ristic <r.dejan83@...>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 12, 2016 11:12 AM
>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:
>>>
>>>
>>> I am not sure about it. I also think that its work is based on an older
>>> wordpad-based platform. I mentioned Jarte yesterday because it reads all
>>> in
>>> relation to text selection. Sorry for not knowing how to answer your
>>> questions. I have explored Jarte, but not recently. I would recommend
>>> you
>>> to visit the Jarte site at:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> www.jarte.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> so that you get familiar with its features.
>>>
>>> On 12/12/2016 1:32 PM, Gene wrote:
>>>
>>> Does JARTE in its current version read docx files?  Not using ribbons
>>> implies that it is still using the old Wordpad Code.  The old Wordpads
>>> require you to install a conversion utility to be able to read docx
>>> files.
>>> And you can't save docx files in the docx format after you modify them.
>>> You must save them in a different format.
>>>
>>> The question is whether JARTE can now work with docx files fully and
>>> without the conversion utility?
>>>
>>> Gene
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* Dejan Ristic <r.dejan83@...>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 12, 2016 4:56 AM
>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:
>>>
>>> I am sure that it opens TXT documents. It opens large documents, too. As
>>> to the rest of your questions, explore Jarte, so that you may be able to
>>> find out whether it will meet your requirements.
>>>
>>>
>>> There is one more thing about the programme:
>>>
>>>
>>> When you wish to open a document, without intending to make changes to
>>> the document, you can choose a mode called Read only, which can be
>>> checked and/or unchecked by pressing the space bar.
>>>
>>>
>>> How to find that option?
>>>
>>>
>>> When you open the Jarte programme, hit control plus O to bring up the
>>> standard open dialogue pane. Then press tab around till you hear Read
>>> only checkbox not checked. If you wish to read without editing, check
>>> it, so that it may be read only. I like the option so much.
>>>
>>>
>>> You can also use Jarte to export documents in HTML and in some other
>>> formats.
>>>
>>>
>>> What is missing in Jarte?
>>>
>>>
>>> You cannot read tables in Jarte.
>>>
>>>
>>> But, if you know that they exist in your documents, try exporting them
>>> into HTML, so that either Internet Explorer or Mozilla Firefox can do
>>> the job for you.
>>>
>>>
>>> www.jarte.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/12/2016 9:10 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
>>> > hi dejan and gene.
>>> > thanks so much for your guide about jarte.
>>> > does jarte support microsoft office formats?
>>> > can it open very large documents?
>>> > can i read docx and save my documents as docx with jarte?
>>> > i realy wish to use it and i hate from ribbon.
>>> > but unfortunately currently, it does not support unicode! and i cant
>>> > use my documents which are in farsi!
>>> > i sent email for developers and request inclusion of unicode.
>>> > and they mentioned, that it needs a very big change in the core of
>>> > program and also we have many requests about unicode except you.
>>> > when it can supports unicode, can i replace it with any office program
>>> > microsoft office, libreoffice and openoffice?
>>> > does it handle my basic needs and does it have support for microsoft
>>> > different formats?
>>> >
>>> > On 12/12/16, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
>>> >> Running Windows 7 Home Premium with NVDA 2016.3.  I can open Notepad,
>>> open
>>> >> a document (I wasn't sure about the original phrasing of "selecting
>>> >> documents", I thought maybe it meant in the file open / save dialog.
>>> >> I
>>> >> worked out I think it meant selecting text in a document).
>>> >>
>>> >> Everything reads as expected.  The only thing that doesn't read is if
>>> >> I
>>> try
>>> >> and press SHIFT+DOWN ARROW from the very bottom line in the file.
>>> >> This
>>> is
>>> >> the way NotePad works however, rather than a flaw in NVDA.  It
>>> >> doesn't
>>> move
>>> >> down a line from the bottom line, therefore it doesn't select
>>> >> anything,
>>> >> therefore nothing happens and NVDA doesn't report anything.  To
>>> >> select
>>> the
>>> >> entire file, including the last line, do one of the following:
>>> >>
>>> >> - Press control+a - this selects the entire text.
>>> >> - When on the last line, press shift+end - this selects to the end of
>>> the
>>> >> current line.
>>> >> - To select from the current point to the end of the file, press
>>> >> shift+control+end.  This selects from the current point to the end of
>>> the
>>> >> document.
>>> >>
>>> >> Replace end with home in those last two commands to select from the
>>> current
>>> >> point to the start of the line or document as appropriate.
>>> >>
>>> >> Otherwise, the only thing I can think of is if something else has
>>> >> stolen
>>> >> focus and shift+down arrow doesn't do anything in that other program?
>>> In
>>> >> that case, press NVDA+T to read the title bar, or NVDA+tab to read
>>> >> the
>>> >> current control with focus.  In Notepad NVDA+T will read "filename -
>>> >> notepad" - where filename is the name of the current file.  In
>>> >> Notepad,
>>> >> NVDA+TAB will read "Edit, multiline focussed", then either the
>>> >> selected
>>> >> text, or the current line.
>>> >>
>>> >> Kind regards
>>> >>
>>> >> Quentin.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 12:02 PM, David Moore
>>> >> <jesusloves1966@...
>>> >
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Hi,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I can use all of the Windows commands to select, copy, and paste
>>> >>> text
>>> >>> with
>>> >>> Notepad and Wordpad. I am using win10 1607 version with JAWS 18 and
>>> NVDA
>>> >>> 2016.3, and all of this works for me with both screen readers. I
>>> >>> just
>>> >>> wanted you to know.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> David Moore
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>>> >>> Windows 10
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> *From: *Gene <gsasner@...>
>>> >>> *Sent: *Sunday, December 11, 2016 8:22 AM
>>> >>>
>>> >>> *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> >>> *Subject: *Re: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Then it isn't with Wordpad? You originally said it was with both.
>>> >>> That
>>> >>> makes me suspect that something is wrong with how Windows is working
>>> with
>>> >>> notepad or with notepad itself.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I need to add more information to my last message.  After you try to
>>> >>> select text with shift down arrow, you nee to copy it to the
>>> >>> clipboard,
>>> >>> control c, before trying the read clipboard command I gave.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> If Notepad isn't selecting text but Wordpad is, you may want to open
>>> text
>>> >>> files in Wordpad where you want to select in this way.  Also, you
>>> haven't
>>> >>> said anything about what happens when you select in other ways.
>>> >>> What
>>> >>> happens if you use shift and right arrow to move and select by
>>> character?
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Gene
>>> >>>
>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>>
>>> >>> *From:* nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 11, 2016 6:42 AM
>>> >>>
>>> >>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> >>>
>>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> the problem is only with windows notepad and .txt document.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 12/11/16, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
>>> >>>> no.
>>> >>>> without starting nvda and document maximize.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On 12/11/16, Dejan Ristic <r.dejan83@...> wrote:
>>> >>>>> Have you tried restarting NVDA while a document is open? Do you
>>> >>>>> have
>>> a
>>> >>>>> document maximized when selecting a piece of text?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> On 12/11/2016 11:22 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
>>> >>>>>> yes.
>>> >>>>>> after openning files in wordpad and notepad, with shift+down,
>>> >>>>>> nvda
>>> >>>>>> says
>>> >>>>>> nothing.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> On 12/11/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>> My guess is that the views used  are not the same. I'm assuming
>>> >>>>>>> you
>>> >>>>>>> mean
>>> >>>>>>> when you want to open a file?
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Brian
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> bglists@...
>>> >>>>>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>> >>>>>>> Please address personal email to:-
>>> >>>>>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>> >>>>>>> in the display name field.
>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>>>>>> From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
>>> >>>>>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 5:26 PM
>>> >>>>>>> Subject: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> hello every one.
>>> >>>>>>>> one of my friends uses windows seven with nvda 16.3
>>> >>>>>>>> when wantes to select documents in wordpad and notepad, with
>>> >>>>>>>> shift
>>> >>>>>>>> down arrow key, nvda says nothing about the document and also
>>> >>>>>>>> its
>>> >>>>>>>> selection.
>>> >>>>>>>> i mean in this case, nvda does not say anything.
>>> >>>>>>>> but the mozilla firefox and selection
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> works good as normal.
>>> >>>>>>>> whats the prublem and whats the solution?--
>>> >>>>>>>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>>> >>>>>>>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>>> >>>>>>>> in the very authentic narration is:
>>> >>>>>>>> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>>> >>>>>>>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>>> >>>>>>>> al-islam.org
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> --
>>> >>>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>>> >>>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>>> >>>> in the very authentic narration is:
>>> >>>> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>>> >>>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>>> >>>> al-islam.org
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>>> >>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>>> >>> in the very authentic narration is:
>>> >>> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>>> >>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>>> >>> al-islam.org
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> Quentin Christensen
>>> >> Training Material Developer
>>> >> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
>>> available:
>>> >> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>> >>
>>> >> Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <+61%207%203149%203306>
>>> >> Direct: +61 413 904 383 <+61%20413%20904%20383>
>>> >> www.nvaccess.org
>>> >> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>>> >> Twitter: @NVAccess
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Quentin Christensen
>> Training Material Developer
>> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
>> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>
>> Ph +61 7 3149 3306
>> Direct: +61 413 904 383
>> www.nvaccess.org
>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>>
>
>
> --
> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
> in the very authentic narration is:
> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
> al-islam.org
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org






--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: Dropbox problem (with fix)

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


Thank you for this tip. I've not yet had to open a word nor Excel file from within Dropbox, but this is great to know. I wonder if this problem would also occur on the mac. Feel free, anyone, to write me off list, if you happen to know.
 
 
Chris.
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 9:40 PM
Subject: [nvda] Dropbox problem (with fix)

Hi everyone,

For anyone using the Dropbox app on Windows, there is a problem with accessing documents stored in your dropbox folder caused by a new feature in a recent update to Dropbox.

What is happening is that when you open a file from your Dropbox folder, it's popping up a mostly invisible window over the top of the Word / Excel window, and it puts it back there even if you alt+tab away and back. It's called the "Dropbox badge" and you need to go into the Dropbox preferences to get rid of it:

1. Press WINDOWS+B to go to the system tray
2. Press RIGHT ARROW to move to the Dropbox icon (it may also be in the System notification overflow).
3. Press ENTER to open the menu.
4. Press UP ARROW to go to Preferences and press ENTER
5. Press TAB 5 times to get to the "Dropbox Badge" grouping / combo box.
6. Press DOWN ARROW to get to "Never show".
7. Press ENTER to close the dropbox preferences.

Hopefully Dropbox will address this, however in the meantime, following this, documents in your dropbox folder should be accessible again.

Kind regards

Quentin.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: about nvda and selection of documents:

 

hi quentin,
thanks so much for your guide and your direct link.
i wante to ask about cnet.
is it secure and safe?
i heard someware that its a malitious website. but i am not sure.
is it true?
God bless you and his extreme mercy i pray for you all.

On 12/13/16, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
hello every one again and thanks so much for experience and sharing
them with me about jarte.
primo pdf, is it free? is it accessible and does it support unicode?

On 12/13/16, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
I would only recommend download from the original source, rather than a
third party site. The original page for Jarte is:
http://www.jarte.com/index.html

The direct download link is:
http://www.jarte.com/downloads/jarte_54_setup.exe

(Note that that is to version 5.4 which is current as of this post, but
will change as new versions are released).

I just tried that version and in trying to open a file created with Word
2016, I get "Jarte can only open DOCX files on computers that have
Microsoft's Office 2007 compatibility pack installed." and encouraging me
to download that.

There is a paid, "Plus" version of Jarte, although the feature list
doesn't
indicate anything about a difference in the compatible file types. I
would
assume that either version needs that converter.

Regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 6:26 AM, Peter Beasley <pjbeasley23@gmail.com>
wrote:

I use Jarte plus and havbe no problems.

*From:* Gene <gsasner@ripco.com>
*Sent:* Monday, December 12, 2016 5:53 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:

I have JARTE on my machine but not a current version. The only way to
test this may be to install the current version and find out. Or the
answer may be found in a google search. Whatever the case, I may do
some
checking if we don't get a definite answer from other list members.

Gene
----- original Message -----
*From:* Dejan Ristic <r.dejan83@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, December 12, 2016 11:12 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:


I am not sure about it. I also think that its work is based on an older
wordpad-based platform. I mentioned Jarte yesterday because it reads all
in
relation to text selection. Sorry for not knowing how to answer your
questions. I have explored Jarte, but not recently. I would recommend
you
to visit the Jarte site at:



www.jarte.com



so that you get familiar with its features.

On 12/12/2016 1:32 PM, Gene wrote:

Does JARTE in its current version read docx files? Not using ribbons
implies that it is still using the old Wordpad Code. The old Wordpads
require you to install a conversion utility to be able to read docx
files.
And you can't save docx files in the docx format after you modify them.
You must save them in a different format.

The question is whether JARTE can now work with docx files fully and
without the conversion utility?

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Dejan Ristic <r.dejan83@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, December 12, 2016 4:56 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:

I am sure that it opens TXT documents. It opens large documents, too. As
to the rest of your questions, explore Jarte, so that you may be able to
find out whether it will meet your requirements.


There is one more thing about the programme:


When you wish to open a document, without intending to make changes to
the document, you can choose a mode called Read only, which can be
checked and/or unchecked by pressing the space bar.


How to find that option?


When you open the Jarte programme, hit control plus O to bring up the
standard open dialogue pane. Then press tab around till you hear Read
only checkbox not checked. If you wish to read without editing, check
it, so that it may be read only. I like the option so much.


You can also use Jarte to export documents in HTML and in some other
formats.


What is missing in Jarte?


You cannot read tables in Jarte.


But, if you know that they exist in your documents, try exporting them
into HTML, so that either Internet Explorer or Mozilla Firefox can do
the job for you.


www.jarte.com


On 12/12/2016 9:10 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi dejan and gene.
thanks so much for your guide about jarte.
does jarte support microsoft office formats?
can it open very large documents?
can i read docx and save my documents as docx with jarte?
i realy wish to use it and i hate from ribbon.
but unfortunately currently, it does not support unicode! and i cant
use my documents which are in farsi!
i sent email for developers and request inclusion of unicode.
and they mentioned, that it needs a very big change in the core of
program and also we have many requests about unicode except you.
when it can supports unicode, can i replace it with any office program
microsoft office, libreoffice and openoffice?
does it handle my basic needs and does it have support for microsoft
different formats?

On 12/12/16, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Running Windows 7 Home Premium with NVDA 2016.3. I can open Notepad,
open
a document (I wasn't sure about the original phrasing of "selecting
documents", I thought maybe it meant in the file open / save dialog.
I
worked out I think it meant selecting text in a document).

Everything reads as expected. The only thing that doesn't read is if
I
try
and press SHIFT+DOWN ARROW from the very bottom line in the file.
This
is
the way NotePad works however, rather than a flaw in NVDA. It
doesn't
move
down a line from the bottom line, therefore it doesn't select
anything,
therefore nothing happens and NVDA doesn't report anything. To
select
the
entire file, including the last line, do one of the following:

- Press control+a - this selects the entire text.
- When on the last line, press shift+end - this selects to the end of
the
current line.
- To select from the current point to the end of the file, press
shift+control+end. This selects from the current point to the end of
the
document.

Replace end with home in those last two commands to select from the
current
point to the start of the line or document as appropriate.

Otherwise, the only thing I can think of is if something else has
stolen
focus and shift+down arrow doesn't do anything in that other program?
In
that case, press NVDA+T to read the title bar, or NVDA+tab to read
the
current control with focus. In Notepad NVDA+T will read "filename -
notepad" - where filename is the name of the current file. In
Notepad,
NVDA+TAB will read "Edit, multiline focussed", then either the
selected
text, or the current line.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 12:02 PM, David Moore
<jesusloves1966@gmail.com
wrote:

Hi,

I can use all of the Windows commands to select, copy, and paste
text
with
Notepad and Wordpad. I am using win10 1607 version with JAWS 18 and
NVDA
2016.3, and all of this works for me with both screen readers. I
just
wanted you to know.

David Moore

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10



*From: *Gene <gsasner@ripco.com>
*Sent: *Sunday, December 11, 2016 8:22 AM

*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:



Then it isn't with Wordpad? You originally said it was with both.
That
makes me suspect that something is wrong with how Windows is working
with
notepad or with notepad itself.



I need to add more information to my last message. After you try to
select text with shift down arrow, you nee to copy it to the
clipboard,
control c, before trying the read clipboard command I gave.



If Notepad isn't selecting text but Wordpad is, you may want to open
text
files in Wordpad where you want to select in this way. Also, you
haven't
said anything about what happens when you select in other ways.
What
happens if you use shift and right arrow to move and select by
character?



Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:* nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>

*Sent:* Sunday, December 11, 2016 6:42 AM

*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io

*Subject:* Re: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:



the problem is only with windows notepad and .txt document.

On 12/11/16, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
no.
without starting nvda and document maximize.

On 12/11/16, Dejan Ristic <r.dejan83@gmail.com> wrote:
Have you tried restarting NVDA while a document is open? Do you
have
a
document maximized when selecting a piece of text?


On 12/11/2016 11:22 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
yes.
after openning files in wordpad and notepad, with shift+down,
nvda
says
nothing.

On 12/11/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk>
wrote:
My guess is that the views used are not the same. I'm assuming
you
mean
when you want to open a file?

Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 5:26 PM
Subject: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:


hello every one.
one of my friends uses windows seven with nvda 16.3
when wantes to select documents in wordpad and notepad, with
shift
down arrow key, nvda says nothing about the document and also
its
selection.
i mean in this case, nvda does not say anything.
but the mozilla firefox and selection

works good as normal.
whats the prublem and whats the solution?--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <+61%207%203149%203306>
Direct: +61 413 904 383 <+61%20413%20904%20383>
www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess









--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306
Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org
--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: about nvda and selection of documents:

 

hello every one again and thanks so much for experience and sharing
them with me about jarte.
primo pdf, is it free? is it accessible and does it support unicode?

On 12/13/16, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
I would only recommend download from the original source, rather than a
third party site. The original page for Jarte is:
http://www.jarte.com/index.html

The direct download link is:
http://www.jarte.com/downloads/jarte_54_setup.exe

(Note that that is to version 5.4 which is current as of this post, but
will change as new versions are released).

I just tried that version and in trying to open a file created with Word
2016, I get "Jarte can only open DOCX files on computers that have
Microsoft's Office 2007 compatibility pack installed." and encouraging me
to download that.

There is a paid, "Plus" version of Jarte, although the feature list doesn't
indicate anything about a difference in the compatible file types. I would
assume that either version needs that converter.

Regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 6:26 AM, Peter Beasley <pjbeasley23@gmail.com>
wrote:

I use Jarte plus and havbe no problems.

*From:* Gene <gsasner@ripco.com>
*Sent:* Monday, December 12, 2016 5:53 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:

I have JARTE on my machine but not a current version. The only way to
test this may be to install the current version and find out. Or the
answer may be found in a google search. Whatever the case, I may do some
checking if we don't get a definite answer from other list members.

Gene
----- original Message -----
*From:* Dejan Ristic <r.dejan83@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, December 12, 2016 11:12 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:


I am not sure about it. I also think that its work is based on an older
wordpad-based platform. I mentioned Jarte yesterday because it reads all
in
relation to text selection. Sorry for not knowing how to answer your
questions. I have explored Jarte, but not recently. I would recommend you
to visit the Jarte site at:



www.jarte.com



so that you get familiar with its features.

On 12/12/2016 1:32 PM, Gene wrote:

Does JARTE in its current version read docx files? Not using ribbons
implies that it is still using the old Wordpad Code. The old Wordpads
require you to install a conversion utility to be able to read docx
files.
And you can't save docx files in the docx format after you modify them.
You must save them in a different format.

The question is whether JARTE can now work with docx files fully and
without the conversion utility?

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Dejan Ristic <r.dejan83@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, December 12, 2016 4:56 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:

I am sure that it opens TXT documents. It opens large documents, too. As
to the rest of your questions, explore Jarte, so that you may be able to
find out whether it will meet your requirements.


There is one more thing about the programme:


When you wish to open a document, without intending to make changes to
the document, you can choose a mode called Read only, which can be
checked and/or unchecked by pressing the space bar.


How to find that option?


When you open the Jarte programme, hit control plus O to bring up the
standard open dialogue pane. Then press tab around till you hear Read
only checkbox not checked. If you wish to read without editing, check
it, so that it may be read only. I like the option so much.


You can also use Jarte to export documents in HTML and in some other
formats.


What is missing in Jarte?


You cannot read tables in Jarte.


But, if you know that they exist in your documents, try exporting them
into HTML, so that either Internet Explorer or Mozilla Firefox can do
the job for you.


www.jarte.com


On 12/12/2016 9:10 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi dejan and gene.
thanks so much for your guide about jarte.
does jarte support microsoft office formats?
can it open very large documents?
can i read docx and save my documents as docx with jarte?
i realy wish to use it and i hate from ribbon.
but unfortunately currently, it does not support unicode! and i cant
use my documents which are in farsi!
i sent email for developers and request inclusion of unicode.
and they mentioned, that it needs a very big change in the core of
program and also we have many requests about unicode except you.
when it can supports unicode, can i replace it with any office program
microsoft office, libreoffice and openoffice?
does it handle my basic needs and does it have support for microsoft
different formats?

On 12/12/16, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Running Windows 7 Home Premium with NVDA 2016.3. I can open Notepad,
open
a document (I wasn't sure about the original phrasing of "selecting
documents", I thought maybe it meant in the file open / save dialog.
I
worked out I think it meant selecting text in a document).

Everything reads as expected. The only thing that doesn't read is if
I
try
and press SHIFT+DOWN ARROW from the very bottom line in the file.
This
is
the way NotePad works however, rather than a flaw in NVDA. It doesn't
move
down a line from the bottom line, therefore it doesn't select
anything,
therefore nothing happens and NVDA doesn't report anything. To select
the
entire file, including the last line, do one of the following:

- Press control+a - this selects the entire text.
- When on the last line, press shift+end - this selects to the end of
the
current line.
- To select from the current point to the end of the file, press
shift+control+end. This selects from the current point to the end of
the
document.

Replace end with home in those last two commands to select from the
current
point to the start of the line or document as appropriate.

Otherwise, the only thing I can think of is if something else has
stolen
focus and shift+down arrow doesn't do anything in that other program?
In
that case, press NVDA+T to read the title bar, or NVDA+tab to read the
current control with focus. In Notepad NVDA+T will read "filename -
notepad" - where filename is the name of the current file. In
Notepad,
NVDA+TAB will read "Edit, multiline focussed", then either the
selected
text, or the current line.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 12:02 PM, David Moore
<jesusloves1966@gmail.com
wrote:

Hi,

I can use all of the Windows commands to select, copy, and paste text
with
Notepad and Wordpad. I am using win10 1607 version with JAWS 18 and
NVDA
2016.3, and all of this works for me with both screen readers. I just
wanted you to know.

David Moore

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10



*From: *Gene <gsasner@ripco.com>
*Sent: *Sunday, December 11, 2016 8:22 AM

*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:



Then it isn't with Wordpad? You originally said it was with both.
That
makes me suspect that something is wrong with how Windows is working
with
notepad or with notepad itself.



I need to add more information to my last message. After you try to
select text with shift down arrow, you nee to copy it to the
clipboard,
control c, before trying the read clipboard command I gave.



If Notepad isn't selecting text but Wordpad is, you may want to open
text
files in Wordpad where you want to select in this way. Also, you
haven't
said anything about what happens when you select in other ways. What
happens if you use shift and right arrow to move and select by
character?



Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:* nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>

*Sent:* Sunday, December 11, 2016 6:42 AM

*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io

*Subject:* Re: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:



the problem is only with windows notepad and .txt document.

On 12/11/16, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
no.
without starting nvda and document maximize.

On 12/11/16, Dejan Ristic <r.dejan83@gmail.com> wrote:
Have you tried restarting NVDA while a document is open? Do you
have
a
document maximized when selecting a piece of text?


On 12/11/2016 11:22 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
yes.
after openning files in wordpad and notepad, with shift+down, nvda
says
nothing.

On 12/11/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk>
wrote:
My guess is that the views used are not the same. I'm assuming
you
mean
when you want to open a file?

Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 5:26 PM
Subject: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:


hello every one.
one of my friends uses windows seven with nvda 16.3
when wantes to select documents in wordpad and notepad, with
shift
down arrow key, nvda says nothing about the document and also
its
selection.
i mean in this case, nvda does not say anything.
but the mozilla firefox and selection

works good as normal.
whats the prublem and whats the solution?--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <+61%207%203149%203306>
Direct: +61 413 904 383 <+61%20413%20904%20383>
www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess









--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306
Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess
--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Dropbox problem (with fix)

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

For anyone using the Dropbox app on Windows, there is a problem with accessing documents stored in your dropbox folder caused by a new feature in a recent update to Dropbox.

What is happening is that when you open a file from your Dropbox folder, it's popping up a mostly invisible window over the top of the Word / Excel window, and it puts it back there even if you alt+tab away and back. It's called the "Dropbox badge" and you need to go into the Dropbox preferences to get rid of it:

1. Press WINDOWS+B to go to the system tray
2. Press RIGHT ARROW to move to the Dropbox icon (it may also be in the System notification overflow).
3. Press ENTER to open the menu.
4. Press UP ARROW to go to Preferences and press ENTER
5. Press TAB 5 times to get to the "Dropbox Badge" grouping / combo box.
6. Press DOWN ARROW to get to "Never show".
7. Press ENTER to close the dropbox preferences.

Hopefully Dropbox will address this, however in the meantime, following this, documents in your dropbox folder should be accessible again.

Kind regards

Quentin.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: how to nagagate the new start menu on windows 10 1607

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Yes, that's the correct spelling--not navagate.

On 12/11/2016 12:26 PM, Shaun Oliver wrote:
ok, I really must point this out, but,,, NAGAGATE?

N, A, V, I, G, A, T, E. I believe is the spelling you're looking for.


On 12/12/2016 05:27, Louis Maher wrote:
Arlene,

Windows key + x can give you "programs and Features" where you can uninstall programs.

Windows key + x has many powerful options.


Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher@swbell.net

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2016 12:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to nagagate the new start menu on windows 10 1607

Oh, okay! so, you are saying windows key and E will get you to windows explorer? Just as it always does? Also, with windows key x is that where you go to find your programs? And you go uninstall them? I know this much you can shut down the computer with windows key x.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Louis Maher
Sent: December-11-16 9:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to nagagate the new start menu on windows 10 1607

Brian,

Windows key + e will give you windows explorer, and windows key + x gives you many interesting options. Arrow up twice for the power button options.




Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher@swbell.net

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2016 11:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] how to nagagate the new start menu on windows 10 1607

I just upgraded my windows 10 and I can not getto the left side of the start menu that has the file explorer and power button if I tab I get pins view and left arrow does nothing will this problem be corrected in version of nvda 2016.4? Are there any key board commands fornavagating the start menu/?

Brian Sackrider


On 12/11/2016 10:39 AM, Casey wrote:
Hi I am using NVDA.
Now when I used to use window-eyes and inserted A USB thumb drive and
then went under computer and looked threw my drive list.
It would tell me when I got the the drive letter that had the USB
drive connected to it.
How much was used on the drive like 98 percent or 75 percent.
And then when I would copy something to it.
It would tell me how much was need for whatever it was for me to put
on that drive if it was full.
So can you get NVDA to do this if so how?















Re: SAPI voices not speaking when I switch to them with NVDA

Gene
 

Are you saying you want to solve the problem without doing any reversion?  I don't know the solution in that case.  I don't know how long you have been aware of the problem but if you were aware of it from the outset, running system restore at the start would probably have solved the problem.  Of course, system restore may cause problems but it usually doesn't. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Pranav Lal
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] SAPI voices not speaking when I switch to them with NVDA

Hi Jene,

<snip But if you have system restore running and its working properly, running a restore point should solve the problem instead of having to reinitialize windows.

PL] The problem has been happening for a while. I have been able to sit down and troubleshoot it only now when I was using SAPI voices. I do not know how far back to restore too. The other reason I want to avoid using system restore is that some windows updates may roll back.

 

Pranav

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 11:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] SAPI voices not speaking when I switch to them with NVDA

 

Just one more example of why not to use a registry cleaner when there is no problem related to the registry.  Cleaning the registry does nothing most of the time and entails a slight risk even when using an unaggressive one, at least on the default settings, such as the one in CCleaner. 

 

But if you have system restore running and its working properly, running a restore point should solve the problem instead of having to reinitialize windows.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Bobby

Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2016 11:03 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] SAPI voices not speaking when I switch to them with NVDA

 

Well just to let you know I had the same problem because I cleaned my
computer with c cleaner and it cleaned the wrong registry keys and broke
sapi 5 and had no choise butt to reset windows.  That was last year.  So
let me know if you fix your problem in a different than I had to


On 12/11/2016 11:54 PM, Pranav Lal wrote:
> Hi Bobby,
>
> Indeed, resetting windows is the nuclear option which I would rather
> not have to use.
>
> Pranav
>
> On 12/12/16, Bobby <bvinton@...> wrote:
>> Well you can try resetting windows 10.  One of the options is to keep
>> your files the second options is to wipe your hard drive and reinstall
>> windows.  At this time I don't have any ideas.  You can find all the
>> reset options in recovery.  Good luck
>>
>>
>> On 12/11/2016 7:12 PM, Pranav Lal wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> When I switch to a SAPI voice like Microsoft David, I do not get any
>>> speech
>>> output. I suspect the problem is SAPI rather than NVDA because other
>>> programs
>>> that use SAPI are also not speaking. At one time, it was easy to fix such
>>> issues
>>> by reinstalling SAPI but SAPI 5.4 is incorporated into the operating
>>> system.
>>> Operating system = Windows 10 64bit build 1607
>>> Nvda version = 2016.3
>>> Anyone any ideas on how to troubleshoot this or who I can ask?
>>> Pranav
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>



Re: SAPI voices not speaking when I switch to them with NVDA

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Jene,

<snip But if you have system restore running and its working properly, running a restore point should solve the problem instead of having to reinitialize windows.

PL] The problem has been happening for a while. I have been able to sit down and troubleshoot it only now when I was using SAPI voices. I do not know how far back to restore too. The other reason I want to avoid using system restore is that some windows updates may roll back.

 

Pranav

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 11:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] SAPI voices not speaking when I switch to them with NVDA

 

Just one more example of why not to use a registry cleaner when there is no problem related to the registry.  Cleaning the registry does nothing most of the time and entails a slight risk even when using an unaggressive one, at least on the default settings, such as the one in CCleaner. 

 

But if you have system restore running and its working properly, running a restore point should solve the problem instead of having to reinitialize windows.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Bobby

Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2016 11:03 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] SAPI voices not speaking when I switch to them with NVDA

 

Well just to let you know I had the same problem because I cleaned my
computer with c cleaner and it cleaned the wrong registry keys and broke
sapi 5 and had no choise butt to reset windows.  That was last year.  So
let me know if you fix your problem in a different than I had to


On 12/11/2016 11:54 PM, Pranav Lal wrote:
> Hi Bobby,
>
> Indeed, resetting windows is the nuclear option which I would rather
> not have to use.
>
> Pranav
>
> On 12/12/16, Bobby <bvinton@...> wrote:
>> Well you can try resetting windows 10.  One of the options is to keep
>> your files the second options is to wipe your hard drive and reinstall
>> windows.  At this time I don't have any ideas.  You can find all the
>> reset options in recovery.  Good luck
>>
>>
>> On 12/11/2016 7:12 PM, Pranav Lal wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> When I switch to a SAPI voice like Microsoft David, I do not get any
>>> speech
>>> output. I suspect the problem is SAPI rather than NVDA because other
>>> programs
>>> that use SAPI are also not speaking. At one time, it was easy to fix such
>>> issues
>>> by reinstalling SAPI but SAPI 5.4 is incorporated into the operating
>>> system.
>>> Operating system = Windows 10 64bit build 1607
>>> Nvda version = 2016.3
>>> Anyone any ideas on how to troubleshoot this or who I can ask?
>>> Pranav
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>



Re: SAPI voices not speaking when I switch to them with NVDA

Pranav Lal
 

Chris,

 

Many thanks for your suggestion.  I was unable to preview the voice from the text to speech settings from within the speech-recognition control panel. However, I went to the advanced properties for the voices and found that they were set to use the  wrong audio device. I have set them to the correct one and the voices are speaking again.

 

Pranav

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 2:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] SAPI voices not speaking when I switch to them with NVDA

 

If you go to speech recognition in control panel and select text to speech can you preview the voice through there?

 

 

 


Re: SAPI voices not speaking when I switch to them with NVDA

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Jacob,

 

The problem is solved. See my reply to Chris. However, narrator was speaking and so was espeak with NVDA.

 

Pranav

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 2:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] SAPI voices not speaking when I switch to them with NVDA

 

Does narrator speak at all?

 

From the windows run command, how about trying to set your default SAPI voice system-wide:

C:\Windows\SysWOW64\Speech\SpeechUX\sapi.cpl

 

Balabolka?

 

eSpeak TTS app?

 

Otherwise, form of windows repair?

 

Know that's not terribly helpful, but anyway.

 

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-12-12 10:47, Chris wrote:

If you go to speech recognition in control panel and select text to speech can you preview the voice through there?

 

 

 

 


Vocalizer expressive voice Malcolm

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Hi,
I am posting this in case anyone is having the same problem.
When using the Vocalizer expressive British voice Malcolm, when it encounters the word 'gonna,' it will not read that word or any text on the same line as that word. This is not an issue with CodeFactory, but appears to be an issue with the voice itself. I tested it with the one from freedom scientific and got the same results.
There is a way to fix it with NVDA. Follow these steps.
1. When using the British voice Malcolm, go to the NVDA menu and click prefferences.
2. Click on the speach dictionary.
3. Click on voice dictionary.
4. When the voice dictionary comes up, click the add button.
5. In the pattern field, type 'gonna.'
6. In the replacement field, type G O N A R.'
7. Click okay.
Malcolm will now say 'gonna.'
I hope this helps someone.
Chris


Re: about nvda and selection of documents:

Quentin Christensen
 

I would only recommend download from the original source, rather than a third party site.  The original page for Jarte is: http://www.jarte.com/index.html


(Note that that is to version 5.4 which is current as of this post, but will change as new versions are released).

I just tried that version and in trying to open a file created with Word 2016, I get "Jarte can only open DOCX files on computers that have Microsoft's Office 2007 compatibility pack installed." and encouraging me to download that.

There is a paid, "Plus" version of Jarte, although the feature list doesn't indicate anything about a difference in the compatible file types.  I would assume that either version needs that converter.

Regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 6:26 AM, Peter Beasley <pjbeasley23@...> wrote:
I use Jarte plus and  havbe no  problems.
 
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:
 
I have JARTE on my machine but not a current version.  The only way to test this may be to install the current version and find out.  Or the answer may be found in a google search.  Whatever the case, I may do some checking if we don't get a definite answer from other list members. 
 
Gene
----- original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:
 

I am not sure about it. I also think that its work is based on an older wordpad-based platform. I mentioned Jarte yesterday because it reads all in relation to text selection. Sorry for not knowing how to answer your questions. I have explored Jarte, but not recently. I would recommend you to visit the Jarte site at:

 

www.jarte.com

 

so that you get familiar with its features.


On 12/12/2016 1:32 PM, Gene wrote:
Does JARTE in its current version read docx files?  Not using ribbons implies that it is still using the old Wordpad Code.  The old Wordpads require you to install a conversion utility to be able to read docx files.  And you can't save docx files in the docx format after you modify them.  You must save them in a different format. 
 
The question is whether JARTE can now work with docx files fully and without the conversion utility?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 4:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:
 
I am sure that it opens TXT documents. It opens large documents, too. As
to the rest of your questions, explore Jarte, so that you may be able to
find out whether it will meet your requirements.


There is one more thing about the programme:


When you wish to open a document, without intending to make changes to
the document, you can choose a mode called Read only, which can be
checked and/or unchecked by pressing the space bar.


How to find that option?


When you open the Jarte programme, hit control plus O to bring up the
standard open dialogue pane. Then press tab around till you hear Read
only checkbox not checked. If you wish to read without editing, check
it, so that it may be read only. I like the option so much.


You can also use Jarte to export documents in HTML and in some other
formats.


What is missing in Jarte?


You cannot read tables in Jarte.


But, if you know that they exist in your documents, try exporting them
into HTML, so that either Internet Explorer or Mozilla Firefox can do
the job for you.


www.jarte.com


On 12/12/2016 9:10 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
> hi dejan and gene.
> thanks so much for your guide about jarte.
> does jarte support microsoft office formats?
> can it open very large documents?
> can i read docx and save my documents as docx with jarte?
> i realy wish to use it and i hate from ribbon.
> but unfortunately currently, it does not support unicode! and i cant
> use my documents which are in farsi!
> i sent email for developers and request inclusion of unicode.
> and they mentioned, that it needs a very big change in the core of
> program and also we have many requests about unicode except you.
> when it can supports unicode, can i replace it with any office program
> microsoft office, libreoffice and openoffice?
> does it handle my basic needs and does it have support for microsoft
> different formats?
>
> On 12/12/16, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
>> Running Windows 7 Home Premium with NVDA 2016.3.  I can open Notepad, open
>> a document (I wasn't sure about the original phrasing of "selecting
>> documents", I thought maybe it meant in the file open / save dialog.  I
>> worked out I think it meant selecting text in a document).
>>
>> Everything reads as expected.  The only thing that doesn't read is if I try
>> and press SHIFT+DOWN ARROW from the very bottom line in the file.  This is
>> the way NotePad works however, rather than a flaw in NVDA.  It doesn't move
>> down a line from the bottom line, therefore it doesn't select anything,
>> therefore nothing happens and NVDA doesn't report anything.  To select the
>> entire file, including the last line, do one of the following:
>>
>> - Press control+a - this selects the entire text.
>> - When on the last line, press shift+end - this selects to the end of the
>> current line.
>> - To select from the current point to the end of the file, press
>> shift+control+end.  This selects from the current point to the end of the
>> document.
>>
>> Replace end with home in those last two commands to select from the current
>> point to the start of the line or document as appropriate.
>>
>> Otherwise, the only thing I can think of is if something else has stolen
>> focus and shift+down arrow doesn't do anything in that other program?  In
>> that case, press NVDA+T to read the title bar, or NVDA+tab to read the
>> current control with focus.  In Notepad NVDA+T will read "filename -
>> notepad" - where filename is the name of the current file.  In Notepad,
>> NVDA+TAB will read "Edit, multiline focussed", then either the selected
>> text, or the current line.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Quentin.
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 12:02 PM, David Moore <jesusloves1966@...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I can use all of the Windows commands to select, copy, and paste text
>>> with
>>> Notepad and Wordpad. I am using win10 1607 version with JAWS 18 and NVDA
>>> 2016.3, and all of this works for me with both screen readers. I just
>>> wanted you to know.
>>>
>>> David Moore
>>>
>>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>>> Windows 10
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Gene <gsasner@...>
>>> *Sent: *Sunday, December 11, 2016 8:22 AM
>>>
>>> *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> *Subject: *Re: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Then it isn't with Wordpad? You originally said it was with both. That
>>> makes me suspect that something is wrong with how Windows is working with
>>> notepad or with notepad itself.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I need to add more information to my last message.  After you try to
>>> select text with shift down arrow, you nee to copy it to the clipboard,
>>> control c, before trying the read clipboard command I gave.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If Notepad isn't selecting text but Wordpad is, you may want to open text
>>> files in Wordpad where you want to select in this way.  Also, you haven't
>>> said anything about what happens when you select in other ways.  What
>>> happens if you use shift and right arrow to move and select by character?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gene
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> *From:* nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 11, 2016 6:42 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> the problem is only with windows notepad and .txt document.
>>>
>>> On 12/11/16, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
>>>> no.
>>>> without starting nvda and document maximize.
>>>>
>>>> On 12/11/16, Dejan Ristic <r.dejan83@...> wrote:
>>>>> Have you tried restarting NVDA while a document is open? Do you have a
>>>>> document maximized when selecting a piece of text?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/11/2016 11:22 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
>>>>>> yes.
>>>>>> after openning files in wordpad and notepad, with shift+down, nvda
>>>>>> says
>>>>>> nothing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/11/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> My guess is that the views used  are not the same. I'm assuming you
>>>>>>> mean
>>>>>>> when you want to open a file?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bglists@...
>>>>>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>>>>>> Please address personal email to:-
>>>>>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>>>>>> in the display name field.
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
>>>>>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 5:26 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> hello every one.
>>>>>>>> one of my friends uses windows seven with nvda 16.3
>>>>>>>> when wantes to select documents in wordpad and notepad, with shift
>>>>>>>> down arrow key, nvda says nothing about the document and also its
>>>>>>>> selection.
>>>>>>>> i mean in this case, nvda does not say anything.
>>>>>>>> but the mozilla firefox and selection
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> works good as normal.
>>>>>>>> whats the prublem and whats the solution?--
>>>>>>>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>>>>>>>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>>>>>>>> in the very authentic narration is:
>>>>>>>> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>>>>>>>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>>>>>>>> al-islam.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>>>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>>>> in the very authentic narration is:
>>>> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>>>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>>>> al-islam.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>>> in the very authentic narration is:
>>> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>>> al-islam.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Quentin Christensen
>> Training Material Developer
>> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
>> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>
>> Ph +61 7 3149 3306
>> Direct: +61 413 904 383
>> www.nvaccess.org
>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>>
>










--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: Newsgroups and Sea Monkey

Ejaz Shah
 

Try nntp.aioe.org. It works in Thunderbird.

On 12/13/2016 2:52 AM, David Griffith wrote:
I was surprised that Sea Monkey seems fully accessible with NVDA. This does not appear true for other screenreaders.

I was going to try out the Newsgroup feature and I wondered, as I am a novice in this area, if anybody can recommend a free Newsgroup Service and associated address which I could import into Sea Monkey to try out the feature.

I tried Googling but I was bombarded with information I am not sure I needed, including plugin programs etc. At the moment I just want to see how it works with Sea Monkey.

David Griffith


Newsgroups and Sea Monkey

David Griffith
 

I was surprised that Sea Monkey seems fully accessible with NVDA. This does not appear true for other screenreaders.

I was going to try out the Newsgroup feature and I wondered, as I am a novice in this area, if anybody can recommend a free Newsgroup Service and associated address which I could import into Sea Monkey to try out the feature.

I tried Googling but I was bombarded with information I am not sure I needed, including plugin programs etc. At the moment I just want to see how it works with Sea Monkey.

David Griffith


I think that I've forgot to post the PrimoPDF link

Dejan Ristic
 


Re: about nvda and selection of documents:

Peter Beasley
 

I use Jarte plus and  havbe no  problems.
 

From: Gene
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:
 
I have JARTE on my machine but not a current version.  The only way to test this may be to install the current version and find out.  Or the answer may be found in a google search.  Whatever the case, I may do some checking if we don't get a definite answer from other list members. 
 
Gene
----- original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:
 

I am not sure about it. I also think that its work is based on an older wordpad-based platform. I mentioned Jarte yesterday because it reads all in relation to text selection. Sorry for not knowing how to answer your questions. I have explored Jarte, but not recently. I would recommend you to visit the Jarte site at:

 

www.jarte.com

 

so that you get familiar with its features.


On 12/12/2016 1:32 PM, Gene wrote:
Does JARTE in its current version read docx files?  Not using ribbons implies that it is still using the old Wordpad Code.  The old Wordpads require you to install a conversion utility to be able to read docx files.  And you can't save docx files in the docx format after you modify them.  You must save them in a different format. 
 
The question is whether JARTE can now work with docx files fully and without the conversion utility?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 4:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:
 
I am sure that it opens TXT documents. It opens large documents, too. As
to the rest of your questions, explore Jarte, so that you may be able to
find out whether it will meet your requirements.


There is one more thing about the programme:


When you wish to open a document, without intending to make changes to
the document, you can choose a mode called Read only, which can be
checked and/or unchecked by pressing the space bar.


How to find that option?


When you open the Jarte programme, hit control plus O to bring up the
standard open dialogue pane. Then press tab around till you hear Read
only checkbox not checked. If you wish to read without editing, check
it, so that it may be read only. I like the option so much.


You can also use Jarte to export documents in HTML and in some other
formats.


What is missing in Jarte?


You cannot read tables in Jarte.


But, if you know that they exist in your documents, try exporting them
into HTML, so that either Internet Explorer or Mozilla Firefox can do
the job for you.


www.jarte.com


On 12/12/2016 9:10 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
> hi dejan and gene.
> thanks so much for your guide about jarte.
> does jarte support microsoft office formats?
> can it open very large documents?
> can i read docx and save my documents as docx with jarte?
> i realy wish to use it and i hate from ribbon.
> but unfortunately currently, it does not support unicode! and i cant
> use my documents which are in farsi!
> i sent email for developers and request inclusion of unicode.
> and they mentioned, that it needs a very big change in the core of
> program and also we have many requests about unicode except you.
> when it can supports unicode, can i replace it with any office program
> microsoft office, libreoffice and openoffice?
> does it handle my basic needs and does it have support for microsoft
> different formats?
>
> On 12/12/16, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
>> Running Windows 7 Home Premium with NVDA 2016.3.  I can open Notepad, open
>> a document (I wasn't sure about the original phrasing of "selecting
>> documents", I thought maybe it meant in the file open / save dialog.  I
>> worked out I think it meant selecting text in a document).
>>
>> Everything reads as expected.  The only thing that doesn't read is if I try
>> and press SHIFT+DOWN ARROW from the very bottom line in the file.  This is
>> the way NotePad works however, rather than a flaw in NVDA.  It doesn't move
>> down a line from the bottom line, therefore it doesn't select anything,
>> therefore nothing happens and NVDA doesn't report anything.  To select the
>> entire file, including the last line, do one of the following:
>>
>> - Press control+a - this selects the entire text.
>> - When on the last line, press shift+end - this selects to the end of the
>> current line.
>> - To select from the current point to the end of the file, press
>> shift+control+end.  This selects from the current point to the end of the
>> document.
>>
>> Replace end with home in those last two commands to select from the current
>> point to the start of the line or document as appropriate.
>>
>> Otherwise, the only thing I can think of is if something else has stolen
>> focus and shift+down arrow doesn't do anything in that other program?  In
>> that case, press NVDA+T to read the title bar, or NVDA+tab to read the
>> current control with focus.  In Notepad NVDA+T will read "filename -
>> notepad" - where filename is the name of the current file.  In Notepad,
>> NVDA+TAB will read "Edit, multiline focussed", then either the selected
>> text, or the current line.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Quentin.
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 12:02 PM, David Moore <jesusloves1966@...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I can use all of the Windows commands to select, copy, and paste text
>>> with
>>> Notepad and Wordpad. I am using win10 1607 version with JAWS 18 and NVDA
>>> 2016.3, and all of this works for me with both screen readers. I just
>>> wanted you to know.
>>>
>>> David Moore
>>>
>>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>>> Windows 10
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Gene <gsasner@...>
>>> *Sent: *Sunday, December 11, 2016 8:22 AM
>>>
>>> *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> *Subject: *Re: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Then it isn't with Wordpad? You originally said it was with both. That
>>> makes me suspect that something is wrong with how Windows is working with
>>> notepad or with notepad itself.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I need to add more information to my last message.  After you try to
>>> select text with shift down arrow, you nee to copy it to the clipboard,
>>> control c, before trying the read clipboard command I gave.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If Notepad isn't selecting text but Wordpad is, you may want to open text
>>> files in Wordpad where you want to select in this way.  Also, you haven't
>>> said anything about what happens when you select in other ways.  What
>>> happens if you use shift and right arrow to move and select by character?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gene
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> *From:* nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 11, 2016 6:42 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> the problem is only with windows notepad and .txt document.
>>>
>>> On 12/11/16, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
>>>> no.
>>>> without starting nvda and document maximize.
>>>>
>>>> On 12/11/16, Dejan Ristic <r.dejan83@...> wrote:
>>>>> Have you tried restarting NVDA while a document is open? Do you have a
>>>>> document maximized when selecting a piece of text?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/11/2016 11:22 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
>>>>>> yes.
>>>>>> after openning files in wordpad and notepad, with shift+down, nvda
>>>>>> says
>>>>>> nothing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/11/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> My guess is that the views used  are not the same. I'm assuming you
>>>>>>> mean
>>>>>>> when you want to open a file?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bglists@...
>>>>>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>>>>>> Please address personal email to:-
>>>>>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>>>>>> in the display name field.
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
>>>>>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 5:26 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> hello every one.
>>>>>>>> one of my friends uses windows seven with nvda 16.3
>>>>>>>> when wantes to select documents in wordpad and notepad, with shift
>>>>>>>> down arrow key, nvda says nothing about the document and also its
>>>>>>>> selection.
>>>>>>>> i mean in this case, nvda does not say anything.
>>>>>>>> but the mozilla firefox and selection
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> works good as normal.
>>>>>>>> whats the prublem and whats the solution?--
>>>>>>>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>>>>>>>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>>>>>>>> in the very authentic narration is:
>>>>>>>> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>>>>>>>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>>>>>>>> al-islam.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>>>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>>>> in the very authentic narration is:
>>>> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>>>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>>>> al-islam.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>>> in the very authentic narration is:
>>> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>>> al-islam.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Quentin Christensen
>> Training Material Developer
>> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
>> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>
>> Ph +61 7 3149 3306
>> Direct: +61 413 904 383
>> www.nvaccess.org
>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>>
>








Re: about nvda and selection of documents:

Dejan Ristic
 

Here is the download link.


http://download.cnet.com/PrimoPDF/3000-10743_4-10264577.html?part=dl-10264577&subj=dl&tag=button


Important note:


when you start arrowing down to find the Download now element on the site, it will be recognized neither as a link nor as a button. It may be tricky a bit. When you find it, hit the space bar and wait for a moment until the download action is brought up before you. If you fail to succeed, ask a sighted person to help you. I am writing this to let all know that it may be a bit difficult to do the downloading, for the element is not recognized neither as a link nor as a button. I should think that it is supposed to be either the one or the other.


Good luck to you, friend.


Hope this helps!


On 12/12/2016 8:02 PM, David Moore wrote:

Hi David,

Where do I find that converters plugin? Also, where do I find PDF Primo?I put Jart on my flash drive as a portable version, and I have not gotten around to learning how to use it yet. This is great that you are talking about Jart.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Dejan Ristic
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 12:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:

 

When you wish to export from Jarte to PDF, PrimoPDF must be installed on your machine, too.

 

On 12/12/2016 6:19 PM, David Griffith wrote:

Jarte works abslutely fine with Word Documents as long as you install the Office File format Convertersplugin.

 

David Griffith

 

On 12/12/2016 17:12, Dejan Ristic wrote:

I am not sure about it. I also think that its work is based on an older wordpad-based platform. I mentioned Jarte yesterday because it reads all in relation to text selection. Sorry for not knowing how to answer your questions. I have explored Jarte, but not recently. I would recommend you to visit the Jarte site at:

 

www.jarte.com

 

so that you get familiar with its features.

 

On 12/12/2016 1:32 PM, Gene wrote:

Does JARTE in its current version read docx files?  Not using ribbons implies that it is still using the old Wordpad Code.  The old Wordpads require you to install a conversion utility to be able to read docx files.  And you can't save docx files in the docx format after you modify them.  You must save them in a different format. 

 

The question is whether JARTE can now work with docx files fully and without the conversion utility?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Dejan Ristic

Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 4:56 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:

 

I am sure that it opens TXT documents. It opens large documents, too. As
to the rest of your questions, explore Jarte, so that you may be able to
find out whether it will meet your requirements.


There is one more thing about the programme:


When you wish to open a document, without intending to make changes to
the document, you can choose a mode called Read only, which can be
checked and/or unchecked by pressing the space bar.


How to find that option?


When you open the Jarte programme, hit control plus O to bring up the
standard open dialogue pane. Then press tab around till you hear Read
only checkbox not checked. If you wish to read without editing, check
it, so that it may be read only. I like the option so much.


You can also use Jarte to export documents in HTML and in some other
formats.


What is missing in Jarte?


You cannot read tables in Jarte.


But, if you know that they exist in your documents, try exporting them
into HTML, so that either Internet Explorer or Mozilla Firefox can do
the job for you.


www.jarte.com


On 12/12/2016 9:10 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
> hi dejan and gene.
> thanks so much for your guide about jarte.
> does jarte support microsoft office formats?
> can it open very large documents?
> can i read docx and save my documents as docx with jarte?
> i realy wish to use it and i hate from ribbon.
> but unfortunately currently, it does not support unicode! and i cant
> use my documents which are in farsi!
> i sent email for developers and request inclusion of unicode.
> and they mentioned, that it needs a very big change in the core of
> program and also we have many requests about unicode except you.
> when it can supports unicode, can i replace it with any office program
> microsoft office, libreoffice and openoffice?
> does it handle my basic needs and does it have support for microsoft
> different formats?
>
> On 12/12/16, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
>> Running Windows 7 Home Premium with NVDA 2016.3.  I can open Notepad, open
>> a document (I wasn't sure about the original phrasing of "selecting
>> documents", I thought maybe it meant in the file open / save dialog.  I
>> worked out I think it meant selecting text in a document).
>>
>> Everything reads as expected.  The only thing that doesn't read is if I try
>> and press SHIFT+DOWN ARROW from the very bottom line in the file.  This is
>> the way NotePad works however, rather than a flaw in NVDA.  It doesn't move
>> down a line from the bottom line, therefore it doesn't select anything,
>> therefore nothing happens and NVDA doesn't report anything.  To select the
>> entire file, including the last line, do one of the following:
>>
>> - Press control+a - this selects the entire text.
>> - When on the last line, press shift+end - this selects to the end of the
>> current line.
>> - To select from the current point to the end of the file, press
>> shift+control+end.  This selects from the current point to the end of the
>> document.
>>
>> Replace end with home in those last two commands to select from the current
>> point to the start of the line or document as appropriate.
>>
>> Otherwise, the only thing I can think of is if something else has stolen
>> focus and shift+down arrow doesn't do anything in that other program?  In
>> that case, press NVDA+T to read the title bar, or NVDA+tab to read the
>> current control with focus.  In Notepad NVDA+T will read "filename -
>> notepad" - where filename is the name of the current file.  In Notepad,
>> NVDA+TAB will read "Edit, multiline focussed", then either the selected
>> text, or the current line.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Quentin.
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 12:02 PM, David Moore <jesusloves1966@...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I can use all of the Windows commands to select, copy, and paste text
>>> with
>>> Notepad and Wordpad. I am using win10 1607 version with JAWS 18 and NVDA
>>> 2016.3, and all of this works for me with both screen readers. I just
>>> wanted you to know.
>>>
>>> David Moore
>>>
>>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>>> Windows 10
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Gene <gsasner@...>
>>> *Sent: *Sunday, December 11, 2016 8:22 AM
>>>
>>> *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> *Subject: *Re: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Then it isn't with Wordpad? You originally said it was with both. That
>>> makes me suspect that something is wrong with how Windows is working with
>>> notepad or with notepad itself.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I need to add more information to my last message.  After you try to
>>> select text with shift down arrow, you nee to copy it to the clipboard,
>>> control c, before trying the read clipboard command I gave.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If Notepad isn't selecting text but Wordpad is, you may want to open text
>>> files in Wordpad where you want to select in this way.  Also, you haven't
>>> said anything about what happens when you select in other ways.  What
>>> happens if you use shift and right arrow to move and select by character?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gene
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> *From:* nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 11, 2016 6:42 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> the problem is only with windows notepad and .txt document.
>>>
>>> On 12/11/16, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
>>>> no.
>>>> without starting nvda and document maximize.
>>>>
>>>> On 12/11/16, Dejan Ristic <r.dejan83@...> wrote:
>>>>> Have you tried restarting NVDA while a document is open? Do you have a
>>>>> document maximized when selecting a piece of text?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/11/2016 11:22 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
>>>>>> yes.
>>>>>> after openning files in wordpad and notepad, with shift+down, nvda
>>>>>> says
>>>>>> nothing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/11/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> My guess is that the views used  are not the same. I'm assuming you
>>>>>>> mean
>>>>>>> when you want to open a file?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bglists@...
>>>>>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>>>>>> Please address personal email to:-
>>>>>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>>>>>> in the display name field.
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
>>>>>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 5:26 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> hello every one.
>>>>>>>> one of my friends uses windows seven with nvda 16.3
>>>>>>>> when wantes to select documents in wordpad and notepad, with shift
>>>>>>>> down arrow key, nvda says nothing about the document and also its
>>>>>>>> selection.
>>>>>>>> i mean in this case, nvda does not say anything.
>>>>>>>> but the mozilla firefox and selection
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> works good as normal.
>>>>>>>> whats the prublem and whats the solution?--
>>>>>>>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>>>>>>>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>>>>>>>> in the very authentic narration is:
>>>>>>>> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>>>>>>>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>>>>>>>> al-islam.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>>>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>>>> in the very authentic narration is:
>>>> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>>>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>>>> al-islam.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>>> in the very authentic narration is:
>>> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>>> al-islam.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Quentin Christensen
>> Training Material Developer
>> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
>> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>
>> Ph +61 7 3149 3306
>> Direct: +61 413 904 383
>> www.nvaccess.org
>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>>
>





 



 





Re: about nvda and selection of documents:

David Moore
 

Hi David,

Where do I find that converters plugin? Also, where do I find PDF Primo?I put Jart on my flash drive as a portable version, and I have not gotten around to learning how to use it yet. This is great that you are talking about Jart.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Dejan Ristic
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 12:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:

 

When you wish to export from Jarte to PDF, PrimoPDF must be installed on your machine, too.

 

On 12/12/2016 6:19 PM, David Griffith wrote:

Jarte works abslutely fine with Word Documents as long as you install the Office File format Convertersplugin.

 

David Griffith

 

On 12/12/2016 17:12, Dejan Ristic wrote:

I am not sure about it. I also think that its work is based on an older wordpad-based platform. I mentioned Jarte yesterday because it reads all in relation to text selection. Sorry for not knowing how to answer your questions. I have explored Jarte, but not recently. I would recommend you to visit the Jarte site at:

 

www.jarte.com

 

so that you get familiar with its features.

 

On 12/12/2016 1:32 PM, Gene wrote:

Does JARTE in its current version read docx files?  Not using ribbons implies that it is still using the old Wordpad Code.  The old Wordpads require you to install a conversion utility to be able to read docx files.  And you can't save docx files in the docx format after you modify them.  You must save them in a different format. 

 

The question is whether JARTE can now work with docx files fully and without the conversion utility?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 4:56 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:

 

I am sure that it opens TXT documents. It opens large documents, too. As
to the rest of your questions, explore Jarte, so that you may be able to
find out whether it will meet your requirements.


There is one more thing about the programme:


When you wish to open a document, without intending to make changes to
the document, you can choose a mode called Read only, which can be
checked and/or unchecked by pressing the space bar.


How to find that option?


When you open the Jarte programme, hit control plus O to bring up the
standard open dialogue pane. Then press tab around till you hear Read
only checkbox not checked. If you wish to read without editing, check
it, so that it may be read only. I like the option so much.


You can also use Jarte to export documents in HTML and in some other
formats.


What is missing in Jarte?


You cannot read tables in Jarte.


But, if you know that they exist in your documents, try exporting them
into HTML, so that either Internet Explorer or Mozilla Firefox can do
the job for you.


www.jarte.com


On 12/12/2016 9:10 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
> hi dejan and gene.
> thanks so much for your guide about jarte.
> does jarte support microsoft office formats?
> can it open very large documents?
> can i read docx and save my documents as docx with jarte?
> i realy wish to use it and i hate from ribbon.
> but unfortunately currently, it does not support unicode! and i cant
> use my documents which are in farsi!
> i sent email for developers and request inclusion of unicode.
> and they mentioned, that it needs a very big change in the core of
> program and also we have many requests about unicode except you.
> when it can supports unicode, can i replace it with any office program
> microsoft office, libreoffice and openoffice?
> does it handle my basic needs and does it have support for microsoft
> different formats?
>
> On 12/12/16, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
>> Running Windows 7 Home Premium with NVDA 2016.3.  I can open Notepad, open
>> a document (I wasn't sure about the original phrasing of "selecting
>> documents", I thought maybe it meant in the file open / save dialog.  I
>> worked out I think it meant selecting text in a document).
>>
>> Everything reads as expected.  The only thing that doesn't read is if I try
>> and press SHIFT+DOWN ARROW from the very bottom line in the file.  This is
>> the way NotePad works however, rather than a flaw in NVDA.  It doesn't move
>> down a line from the bottom line, therefore it doesn't select anything,
>> therefore nothing happens and NVDA doesn't report anything.  To select the
>> entire file, including the last line, do one of the following:
>>
>> - Press control+a - this selects the entire text.
>> - When on the last line, press shift+end - this selects to the end of the
>> current line.
>> - To select from the current point to the end of the file, press
>> shift+control+end.  This selects from the current point to the end of the
>> document.
>>
>> Replace end with home in those last two commands to select from the current
>> point to the start of the line or document as appropriate.
>>
>> Otherwise, the only thing I can think of is if something else has stolen
>> focus and shift+down arrow doesn't do anything in that other program?  In
>> that case, press NVDA+T to read the title bar, or NVDA+tab to read the
>> current control with focus.  In Notepad NVDA+T will read "filename -
>> notepad" - where filename is the name of the current file.  In Notepad,
>> NVDA+TAB will read "Edit, multiline focussed", then either the selected
>> text, or the current line.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Quentin.
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 12:02 PM, David Moore <jesusloves1966@...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I can use all of the Windows commands to select, copy, and paste text
>>> with
>>> Notepad and Wordpad. I am using win10 1607 version with JAWS 18 and NVDA
>>> 2016.3, and all of this works for me with both screen readers. I just
>>> wanted you to know.
>>>
>>> David Moore
>>>
>>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>>> Windows 10
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Gene <gsasner@...>
>>> *Sent: *Sunday, December 11, 2016 8:22 AM
>>>
>>> *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> *Subject: *Re: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Then it isn't with Wordpad? You originally said it was with both. That
>>> makes me suspect that something is wrong with how Windows is working with
>>> notepad or with notepad itself.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I need to add more information to my last message.  After you try to
>>> select text with shift down arrow, you nee to copy it to the clipboard,
>>> control c, before trying the read clipboard command I gave.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If Notepad isn't selecting text but Wordpad is, you may want to open text
>>> files in Wordpad where you want to select in this way.  Also, you haven't
>>> said anything about what happens when you select in other ways.  What
>>> happens if you use shift and right arrow to move and select by character?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gene
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> *From:* nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 11, 2016 6:42 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> the problem is only with windows notepad and .txt document.
>>>
>>> On 12/11/16, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
>>>> no.
>>>> without starting nvda and document maximize.
>>>>
>>>> On 12/11/16, Dejan Ristic <r.dejan83@...> wrote:
>>>>> Have you tried restarting NVDA while a document is open? Do you have a
>>>>> document maximized when selecting a piece of text?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/11/2016 11:22 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
>>>>>> yes.
>>>>>> after openning files in wordpad and notepad, with shift+down, nvda
>>>>>> says
>>>>>> nothing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/11/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> My guess is that the views used  are not the same. I'm assuming you
>>>>>>> mean
>>>>>>> when you want to open a file?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bglists@...
>>>>>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>>>>>> Please address personal email to:-
>>>>>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>>>>>> in the display name field.
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
>>>>>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 5:26 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> hello every one.
>>>>>>>> one of my friends uses windows seven with nvda 16.3
>>>>>>>> when wantes to select documents in wordpad and notepad, with shift
>>>>>>>> down arrow key, nvda says nothing about the document and also its
>>>>>>>> selection.
>>>>>>>> i mean in this case, nvda does not say anything.
>>>>>>>> but the mozilla firefox and selection
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> works good as normal.
>>>>>>>> whats the prublem and whats the solution?--
>>>>>>>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>>>>>>>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>>>>>>>> in the very authentic narration is:
>>>>>>>> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>>>>>>>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>>>>>>>> al-islam.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>>>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>>>> in the very authentic narration is:
>>>> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>>>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>>>> al-islam.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>>> in the very authentic narration is:
>>> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>>> al-islam.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Quentin Christensen
>> Training Material Developer
>> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
>> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>
>> Ph +61 7 3149 3306
>> Direct: +61 413 904 383
>> www.nvaccess.org
>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>>
>