so my friend is a trojan horse manet and an adware magnet. when I could see some I had avast on her computer. she is very low tech so had no idea about changing the avast settings and making boot time scans, ETC, so now that I am totally blind is there an antivirus program anyone could suggest that is fully accessible with NVDA? she also says she will not upgrade to windows 10 because change bad! :) any suggestions for windows 7?

As I understand it, the problem you describe won't occur.  When the fn key is down, it is equivalent to it being up under traditional operation.  I haven't heard that the effect of this change is limited to specific keys.  Indeed, I heard someone say, on another list, that they couldn't use alt f4 under this change because f4 was being treated as a function key combination.  As far as restart is concerned, I have no idea if there will be any effect. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Quentin Christensen

Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 3:31 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] changing the function key

Also the problem with taping the key down, is that for any other keys that use Fn+key combinations, they will always act as if the key was down.  it also might not register properly when the machine restarts.  It sounds like it would be worth getting sighted help to get into the bios and change this setting once and for all.  At least, once it's done you can just use the PC normally again.

On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 7:12 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Robert,

          I know of no way to change this on HP hardware without going into either UEFI or BIOS (depending on the age of the machine).  This feature is known as Action Keys.  My laptop had this enabled and I promptly disabled via the BIOS settings under UEFI.  Under UEFI it's in the BIOS settings, System Configuration settings and is enabled if you have to hit Fn in order for the function key to act like a function key, not perform the function shown on its icon.

          There are some brands that have a way to do this via the user interface.  I can't find any for HP.  Here's a link to their support page giving details on how to turn it off via BIOS for machines from the straight BIOS era.  It's virtually identical under UEFI once you know where to look, which I mentioned above.
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Hi all, I had a quick question. On my HP laptop the function keys are
defaulted to their media options, so if I want to hit shift F10, I
have to hit FN shift F10. Is there anyway I can change this without
going into the BIOS? I have no sighted person here to assist me with
the BIOS so is there a work around?



.

Hi all, I had a quick question. On my HP laptop the function keys are
defaulted to their media options, so if I want to hit shift F10, I
have to hit FN shift F10. Is there anyway I can change this without
going into the BIOS? I have no sighted person here to assist me with
the BIOS so is there a work around?



.

On Dec 15, 2016, at 9:00 PM, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:

I don't know enough to advise you about using an accessible reinstallation environment. There are installation environments developed evidently by some blind users that allow you to run enough of Windows from an external source to then reinstall Windows. they also load a screen-reader from their files, as far as I know, NVDA. But I don't know enough about this to tell you more. No one has said anything about this in the discussion. perhaps they will now.

but you will have to be able to boot from whatever medium you are using, such as a thumb drive and I have no idea what sources the computer currently looks at when booting.

gene
----- Originaal Message -----
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 7:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reinstalling Windows 10

Well you can try a reset, to be honest though it may be time to just
take your box to a shop and ask them to reformat it for you.
I still am a firm believer that a box should run the system it was
designed for for best performance.
So if you ran xp on it it should run that or 7 well you get the picture.
I'd actually be wandering if you either have a virus or something or
simply that your hardwre has issues and it may do.


On 16/12/2016 7:33 a.m., Douglas Lawlor wrote:

Hello Brian,
I would do this if I could, but I cannot use the system at all in it's current state. It is taking minutes for NVDA to respond to a command which should normally take milliseconds. I just don't know what to do here. I've got no sited assistance to help me which makes this problem that much more frustrating.

Doug


Douglas Lawlor
Email: douglawlor@me.com

On Dec 15, 2016, at 1:29 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:

Doug,

Have you considered using the Reset function under the Update & Security Settings, Recovery Pane? It wipes the existing Win10 installation and completely reinstalls the operating system but you can choose whether to keep your files (or at least the vast majority of them) or to start with an entirely clean slate. I never resort to an actual clean reinstallation of Windows 10 from external media until and unless a Reset has not solved the problem.
--
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~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

Well you can try a reset, to be honest though it may be time to just take your box to a shop and ask them to reformat it for you.
I still am a firm believer that a box should run the system it was designed for for best performance.
So if you ran xp on it it should run that or 7 well you get the picture.
I'd actually be wandering if you either have a virus or something or simply that your hardwre has issues and it may do.


On 16/12/2016 7:33 a.m., Douglas Lawlor wrote:

Hello Brian,
I would do this if I could, but I cannot use the system at all in it's current state. It is taking minutes for NVDA to respond to a command which should normally take milliseconds. I just don't know what to do here. I've got no sited assistance to help me which makes this problem that much more frustrating.

Doug


Douglas Lawlor
Email: douglawlor@me.com

On Dec 15, 2016, at 1:29 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:

Doug,

Have you considered using the Reset function under the Update & Security Settings, Recovery Pane? It wipes the existing Win10 installation and completely reinstalls the operating system but you can choose whether to keep your files (or at least the vast majority of them) or to start with an entirely clean slate. I never resort to an actual clean reinstallation of Windows 10 from external media until and unless a Reset has not solved the problem.
--
Brian

Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

I wonder if the donation page during update could be looked at an simplified.

 

On Firefox the donation options are not read as discrete options   unless you use control keys with arrow keys, and to my deaf ears at leazst it is confusing as all the suggested amounts of donations are initially read out as a single strihng  which is a little overwhelming and scary as some of the suggested amounts are pretty considerable.

To my ears at least the check box for the amount is not clear – does it relate to the amount before or after the amount etc.

It is a little anxiety making and does not feel quite safe and the worry is that you are to donate an amount you cannot afford.

More importantly on a couple of occasion  this has meant I have checked the wrong amount when trying to donate  and again on my system once a check box is check is seems impossible to uncheck it. Pressing space or enter does not seem possible to amend this once it has been entered.

 

This has twice meant that I have pulled out of the donation page when I genuinely wanted to donate.

 

The behaviour of the page which would feel safe to me would be to cursor down and hear each donation option as a separate option  with a clear safe option to check or uncheck the amount you are committing, rather than only being able to review by hearing whole sections of the page read out.

My inability to complete this page is probably down to my own ineptitude  and user error but I would have thought that a donation page at least should be ultra straightforward and easy to complete.

Just a suggestions.

 

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

Maybe this question has already been answared.


When I wanted to burn a cd disk with my cd-burner it doesn't seem to work with Windows 10. What is the most accessible method to create a music cd?


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Also the problem with taping the key down, is that for any other keys that
use Fn+key combinations, they will always act as if the key was down. it
also might not register properly when the machine restarts. It sounds like
it would be worth getting sighted help to get into the bios and change this
setting once and for all. At least, once it's done you can just use the PC
normally again.

On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 7:12 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:

Robert,

I know of no way to change this on HP hardware without going
into either UEFI or BIOS (depending on the age of the machine). This
feature is known as Action Keys. My laptop had this enabled and I promptly
disabled via the BIOS settings under UEFI. Under UEFI it's in the BIOS
settings, System Configuration settings and is enabled if you have to hit
Fn in order for the function key to act like a function key, not perform
the function shown on its icon.

There are some brands that have a way to do this via the user
interface. I can't find any for HP. Here's a link to their support page
<http://www.support.hp.com/us-en/document/c02035108/> giving details on
how to turn it off via BIOS for machines from the straight BIOS era. It's
virtually identical under UEFI once you know where to look, which I
mentioned above.
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premises.*

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Hi everyone,

For those using 2016.3 or earlier: there will come a time when some add-ons
will ask you to upgrade to NVDA 2016.4 in order for them to function. For my
add-ons, I'll enforce 2016.4 requirement from February 2017 releases:



* StationPlaylist Studio: Version 17.04 (currently listed as
17.1-dev) will require 2016.4 or later. Major parts of this add-on now uses
features introduced in 2016.4 (specifically, new user interface routines).

* Windows 10 App Essentials: Version 17.02 will not run properly
under NVDA 2016.3 or earlier. A critical component required to support
universal apps and write app modules for them has been included in NVDA
2016.4, thus this is no longer needed in the add-on.



Other add-ons that will require you to use NVDA 2016.4 include upcoming
versions of Place Markers, Rapid Settings, Clip Contents Designer and
others. Also, an add-on called Indentone (by Derek Riemer), used to let you
hear indentation via tones, is hereby deprecated and should be removed, as
NVDA 2016.4 includes this feature.



For add-on writers: I'll write a formal directive to the add-ons list, but
the big picture is: if you are going to use graphical user interfaces such
as dialogs, you should use GUI Helper services provided by NVDA 2016.4 or
later. Also, you can now write app modules where executable names have a dot
in the middle (for that, replace dots with underscores).



Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph

Hi,
The following is a bit technical, so please bear with me for a second:
Almost two decades ago, many microprocessor manufacturers noted that the
32-bit 4 GB limit would be reached within a few years, hence development of
64-bit processors began. Intel and AMD took two different routes: Intel came
up with a completely different 64-bit architecture than that of Pentium,
while AMD extended Pentium's language and made it work with 64-bit data.
Eventually, Intel adopted AMD's approach, hence you'll find that even for
Intel processors, the architecture name is AMD64 (technically called
x86-64). Modern 64-bit processors from Intel and AMD can run 32-bit software
such as NVDA because they can understand 32-bit instructions natively in
hardware, and Windows and other operating systems have mechanisms to allow
32-bit software to run under 64-bit operating systems (I'll describe this
process from start to finish upon request).
Cheers,
Joseph
P.S. To Derek and other devs: at some point, we should explain what WoW64
is.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Travis
Siegel
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 8:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: intel 64-bit processors with amd instruction sets: (was [nvda] A
word of warning about xp and windoows update enabled systems with old amd
processors

Perhaps companies don't support it, but they should. I have an intel
processor, but it uses the amd command set. In fact, if I do a system info,
it tells me intel processor, (with all it's various version information),
then tells me amd-64, then returns to intel for processor type and so on.
It's very odd, but I have discovered that intel 64-bit programs don't work
on this machine, only amd-64 apps work (go figure)

This is an all in one computer, so it's likely using one of the intel laptop
processors that have the power saving features of a laptop, but apparently,
these cpus are also using amd commands for their command sets. <shrug>



On 12/15/2016 6:10 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:

I noticed yesterday on an old XP Athlon machine, the chip with no sse
2, that after a latest xp security update which is enabled on that
machine, the processor usage was 99 percent. trying this on a second
machine running a sempron resulted in the same issue, but not on the
old Pentium Intel chipped machines.
The thing is it seems to have altered the way the software looks for
and downloads windows updates, so to stop this problem you need to
turn off automatic updates. This can be quite a challenge with about 1
percent processor still working when nvda tends to need 143 percent,
but after doing this and rebooting all is sweetness and light again. I
only put this on here as I know a lot of folk in some of the poorer
countries out there still use xp machines with the get updates hack on
them, and wanted to help.
I'll shut up about it now, as in fact its off topic.
I imagine Microsoft never bother to test it on this processor as so
many companies now do not support it, like dropbox or firefox to name
but two.


Brian

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Perhaps companies don't support it, but they should. I have an intel processor, but it uses the amd command set. In fact, if I do a system info, it tells me intel processor, (with all it's various version information), then tells me amd-64, then returns to intel for processor type and so on. It's very odd, but I have discovered that intel 64-bit programs don't work on this machine, only amd-64 apps work (go figure)

This is an all in one computer, so it's likely using one of the intel laptop processors that have the power saving features of a laptop, but apparently, these cpus are also using amd commands for their command sets. <shrug>



On 12/15/2016 6:10 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:

I noticed yesterday on an old XP Athlon machine, the chip with no sse 2, that after a latest xp security update which is enabled on that machine, the processor usage was 99 percent. trying this on a second machine running a sempron resulted in the same issue, but not on the old Pentium Intel chipped machines.
The thing is it seems to have altered the way the software looks for and downloads windows updates, so to stop this problem you need to turn off automatic updates. This can be quite a challenge with about 1 percent processor still working when nvda tends to need 143 percent, but after doing this and rebooting all is sweetness and light again. I only put this on here as I know a lot of folk in some of the poorer countries out there still use xp machines with the get updates hack on them, and wanted to help.
I'll shut up about it now, as in fact its off topic.
I imagine Microsoft never bother to test it on this processor as so many companies now do not support it, like dropbox or firefox to name but two.


Brian

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