-----Original Message-----
From: Angela Delicata via Groups.io [mailto:angeladelicata=libero.it@groups.io]
Sent: March-21-16 1:14 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Why not leave nvda's name the way it is

Well, nvda is so good as a name, why do you want to change it?
Thank you.
Angela from Italy


Il 21/03/2016 21:11, Lenron ha scritto:

what issues. NVDA works grand.

On 3/20/16, Kevin Chao <kevinchao89@gmail.com> wrote:

What issues are there with the screen reader?

On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 6:23 AM marvin kotler <m.kotler53@gmail.com> wrote:

Good morning list; Marv here. There are enough other issues regarding
the
screen reader itself; so, lets leave the name the way it is; cheers

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On 3/20/16, Kevin Chao <kevinchao89@gmail.com> wrote:

What issues are there with the screen reader?

On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 6:23 AM marvin kotler <m.kotler53@gmail.com> wrote:

Good morning list; Marv here. There are enough other issues regarding
the
screen reader itself; so, lets leave the name the way it is; cheers

----- Original Message -----
From: "rob" <rob@robgw.net>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Touchscreens?

Hi

Well, not strictly NVDA based, but all the same.
Having given up using the tablet with NVDA, I launched narator with a case of morbid curiosity.
To my surprise, it is very straight forward to use, all gestures work as suggested, navigating is simple and straight forward.
I'm able to do basic things very easily, launching apps, browsing the internet, etc. It's just a real shame that typing is exactly as standard typing is on iOS, i.e. having to double tap each letter. If this was fixed, this would not be a bad screen-reader at all in my opinion, based on early views.

If anyone knows if the typing can be fixed, or if anyone would like a demonstration, please let me know either way.

Rob

On 21/03/2016 13:25, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

OK, if you want something with Eloquence, and you want it to be a tablet, and you want touch to work, then check out maybe getting an Android tablet. The Samsung Galaxy lineup is really really nice.

Chris.


-----Original Message-----
From: rob [mailto:rob@robgw.net]
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 5:23 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Touchscreens?

Hi

Certainly I'll be returning the unit, but I won't be buying one with a keyboard.
I wanted something small enough to put in a jacket pocket so I could read on the bus, on the train, etc.
Something that allowed me to read with eloquence.
Of course, a lot of the tablets with keyboards simply look like small laptops, and I already have an 11 inch macbook air.
Oh well, who knows what I'll do.

Rob

On 21/03/2016 09:18, Brian's Mail list account wrote:

:-)
One returns the unit and buys one with a keyboard?

I'll duck behind the sofa to avoid the tomatoes now!
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Chao"
<kevinchao89@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Touchscreens?

Hmmm.... This is a bit counter-productive: Input help mode is toggled
with NVDA key+1, but this doesn't work without a keyboard, so how is
one to learn/practice gestures on touch screen-only device?

On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 9:26 AM rob <rob@robgw.net> wrote:

Hi chris

The issue is that I honestly can't use the tablet at all the way it
is at the moment, so I'd need a keyboard to be able to install an addon.
I don't even know how useable the tablet would be with nvda running
for a sighted person.

I have a bluetooth keyboard, but obviously can't get into settings
to connect it.

Rob

On 20/03/2016 16:20, Chris wrote:

yeah you do lose some of the touch screen functionality when using
together with a screen reader Narrator is probably the best to use
in conjunction with a touch screen and gestures, but that has its
own issues as youn may know

you may want to try the enhanced gestures add-on for nvda, that
may improve things a bit

good luck



On 20/03/2016 15:56, rob wrote:

Hi folks

Today, I received a linx 8, windows tablet. Running windows 8.1,
after getting set up with some sighted assistance to install NVDA.
and before anyone says it, reading the user guide, I find myself
completely lost and baffled as to how one goes about using a
touchscreen with nvda.

All of the gestures mentioned in the guide, such as, two finger
double tap to open the nvda menu, three finger tap to change
touch modes, flicking from left to right, up/down. double
tapping, fail to register. I get some information when putting my
finger on a random part of the screen, or sliding around, but nothing worth mentioning.

Am I missing something, or is it just very buggy?
also, I'm using nvda 16.1

Regards

Rob

On 21/03/2016 13:25, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

OK, if you want something with Eloquence, and you want it to be a tablet, and you want touch to work, then check out maybe getting an Android tablet. The Samsung Galaxy lineup is really really nice.

Chris.


-----Original Message-----
From: rob [mailto:rob@robgw.net]
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 5:23 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Touchscreens?

Hi

Certainly I'll be returning the unit, but I won't be buying one with a keyboard.
I wanted something small enough to put in a jacket pocket so I could read on the bus, on the train, etc.
Something that allowed me to read with eloquence.
Of course, a lot of the tablets with keyboards simply look like small laptops, and I already have an 11 inch macbook air.
Oh well, who knows what I'll do.

Rob

On 21/03/2016 09:18, Brian's Mail list account wrote:

:-)
One returns the unit and buys one with a keyboard?

I'll duck behind the sofa to avoid the tomatoes now!
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Chao"
<kevinchao89@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Touchscreens?

Hmmm.... This is a bit counter-productive: Input help mode is toggled
with NVDA key+1, but this doesn't work without a keyboard, so how is
one to learn/practice gestures on touch screen-only device?

On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 9:26 AM rob <rob@robgw.net> wrote:

Hi chris

The issue is that I honestly can't use the tablet at all the way it
is at the moment, so I'd need a keyboard to be able to install an addon.
I don't even know how useable the tablet would be with nvda running
for a sighted person.

I have a bluetooth keyboard, but obviously can't get into settings
to connect it.

Rob

On 20/03/2016 16:20, Chris wrote:

yeah you do lose some of the touch screen functionality when using
together with a screen reader Narrator is probably the best to use
in conjunction with a touch screen and gestures, but that has its
own issues as youn may know

you may want to try the enhanced gestures add-on for nvda, that
may improve things a bit

good luck



On 20/03/2016 15:56, rob wrote:

Hi folks

Today, I received a linx 8, windows tablet. Running windows 8.1,
after getting set up with some sighted assistance to install NVDA.
and before anyone says it, reading the user guide, I find myself
completely lost and baffled as to how one goes about using a
touchscreen with nvda.

All of the gestures mentioned in the guide, such as, two finger
double tap to open the nvda menu, three finger tap to change
touch modes, flicking from left to right, up/down. double
tapping, fail to register. I get some information when putting my
finger on a random part of the screen, or sliding around, but nothing worth mentioning.

Am I missing something, or is it just very buggy?
also, I'm using nvda 16.1

Regards

Rob

Why did people on the mailinglist always must try by sending stestmail. I'M so tired of them. You get an confirmationsmail and se others p persons post. so why did people. nead to send this stuped testmail! In my opinion Admin should forbid this beaviur.
Because it is not neaded to send this.

Den 2016-03-21 kl. 16:07, skrev Rosemarie Chavarria:

Hi, Jim,

I received your message with no problem.

Rosemarie

On 3/21/2016 1:33 AM, The Gamages wrote:

Hello list members,

I am not receiving messages from the groups io list,  any response would be appreciated to  make sure my ISP is not blocking the messages, thank you

Best Regards, Jim.

Why did people on the mailinglist always must try by sending stestmail. I'M so tired of them. You get an confirmationsmail and se others p persons post. so why did people. nead to send this stuped testmail! In my opinion Admin should forbid this beaviur.
Because it is not neaded to send this.

Den 2016-03-21 kl. 16:07, skrev Rosemarie Chavarria:

Hi, Jim,

I received your message with no problem.

Rosemarie

On 3/21/2016 1:33 AM, The Gamages wrote:

Hello list members,

I am not receiving messages from the groups io list,  any response would be appreciated to  make sure my ISP is not blocking the messages, thank you

Best Regards, Jim.

Hi, Jim,

I received your message with no problem.

Rosemarie

On 3/21/2016 1:33 AM, The Gamages wrote:

Hello list members,

I am not receiving messages from the groups io list,  any response would be appreciated to  make sure my ISP is not blocking the messages, thank you

Best Regards, Jim.

Hello list members,

I am not receiving messages from the groups io list,  any response would be appreciated to  make sure my ISP is not blocking the messages, thank you

Best Regards, Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: rob [mailto:rob@robgw.net]
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 5:23 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Touchscreens?

Hi

Certainly I'll be returning the unit, but I won't be buying one with a keyboard.
I wanted something small enough to put in a jacket pocket so I could read on the bus, on the train, etc.
Something that allowed me to read with eloquence.
Of course, a lot of the tablets with keyboards simply look like small laptops, and I already have an 11 inch macbook air.
Oh well, who knows what I'll do.

Rob

On 21/03/2016 09:18, Brian's Mail list account wrote:

:-)
One returns the unit and buys one with a keyboard?

I'll duck behind the sofa to avoid the tomatoes now!
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Chao"
<kevinchao89@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Touchscreens?

Hmmm.... This is a bit counter-productive: Input help mode is toggled
with NVDA key+1, but this doesn't work without a keyboard, so how is
one to learn/practice gestures on touch screen-only device?

On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 9:26 AM rob <rob@robgw.net> wrote:

Hi chris

The issue is that I honestly can't use the tablet at all the way it
is at the moment, so I'd need a keyboard to be able to install an addon.
I don't even know how useable the tablet would be with nvda running
for a sighted person.

I have a bluetooth keyboard, but obviously can't get into settings
to connect it.

Rob

On 20/03/2016 16:20, Chris wrote:

yeah you do lose some of the touch screen functionality when using
together with a screen reader Narrator is probably the best to use
in conjunction with a touch screen and gestures, but that has its
own issues as youn may know

you may want to try the enhanced gestures add-on for nvda, that
may improve things a bit

good luck



On 20/03/2016 15:56, rob wrote:

Hi folks

Today, I received a linx 8, windows tablet. Running windows 8.1,
after getting set up with some sighted assistance to install NVDA.
and before anyone says it, reading the user guide, I find myself
completely lost and baffled as to how one goes about using a
touchscreen with nvda.

All of the gestures mentioned in the guide, such as, two finger
double tap to open the nvda menu, three finger tap to change
touch modes, flicking from left to right, up/down. double
tapping, fail to register. I get some information when putting my
finger on a random part of the screen, or sliding around, but nothing worth mentioning.

Am I missing something, or is it just very buggy?
also, I'm using nvda 16.1

Regards

Rob

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian's Mail list account [mailto:bglists@blueyonder.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 5:19 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Touchscreens?

:-)
One returns the unit and buys one with a keyboard?

I'll duck behind the sofa to avoid the tomatoes now!
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Chao" <kevinchao89@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Touchscreens?

Hmmm.... This is a bit counter-productive: Input help mode is toggled with
NVDA key+1, but this doesn't work without a keyboard, so how is one to
learn/practice gestures on touch screen-only device?

On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 9:26 AM rob <rob@robgw.net> wrote:

Hi chris

The issue is that I honestly can't use the tablet at all the way it is
at the moment, so I'd need a keyboard to be able to install an addon.
I don't even know how useable the tablet would be with nvda running for
a sighted person.

I have a bluetooth keyboard, but obviously can't get into settings to
connect it.

Rob

On 20/03/2016 16:20, Chris wrote:

yeah you do lose some of the touch screen functionality when using
together with a screen reader
Narrator is probably the best to use in conjunction with a touch
screen and gestures, but that has its own issues as youn may know

you may want to try the enhanced gestures add-on for nvda, that may
improve things a bit

good luck



On 20/03/2016 15:56, rob wrote:

Hi folks

Today, I received a linx 8, windows tablet. Running windows 8.1,
after getting set up with some sighted assistance to install NVDA.
and before anyone says it, reading the user guide, I find myself
completely lost and baffled as to how one goes about using a
touchscreen with nvda.

All of the gestures mentioned in the guide, such as, two finger
double tap to open the nvda menu, three finger tap to change touch
modes, flicking from left to right, up/down. double tapping, fail to
register. I get some information when putting my finger on a random
part of the screen, or sliding around, but nothing worth mentioning.

Am I missing something, or is it just very buggy?
also, I'm using nvda 16.1

Regards

Rob

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian's Mail list account [mailto:bglists@blueyonder.co.uk]
Sent: 21 March 2016 09:23
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] is there any option with NVDA to READ SINGLE DIGITS AND
NOT A GROOUP OF DIGITS

This one has come up before. I seem to recall some kind of regular
expression was used, but it is not foolproof as numbers can be written with
many different separators.
I don't have the item stored here as I tend to drop into cursor edit mode
to read numbers.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Moty Azrad" <motiaz@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 6:04 PM
Subject: [nvda] is there any option with NVDA to READ SINGLE DIGITS AND NOT
A GROOUP OF DIGITS

Dear all,

The subject line explains well my question and if yes, how can I do it
and which changes must be done to enable this feature?

Moti




Moti Azrad Musician & Piano tuner
motiaz@gmail.com
azrad_moty@hotmail.com
motia@013.net
https://www.facebook.com/moti.azrad
ISRAEL

Hi,

I would guess he wants to be pretty sure at least a message has been
sent, and he might not be sure with his own mail as some mailing lists
don't send back your own messages.
I'd assume it'd be best to check the archives to see what was sent and
when, but he might not know avout thet, have difficulties with the
website, not thought of it, etc.

-- Patrick.
Le 21/03/2016 12:09, Gene a écrit :
> I see that I was wrong in one point.  The original message said any
> response would be welcome to see if the ISP is blocking messages.  But
> again, if the person is not getting list mail, what sense does it make
> to respond on list?
> Gene

Hi,

I would guess he wants to be pretty sure at least a message has been
sent, and he might not be sure with his own mail as some mailing lists
don't send back your own messages.
I'd assume it'd be best to check the archives to see what was sent and
when, but he might not know avout thet, have difficulties with the
website, not thought of it, etc.

-- Patrick.
Le 21/03/2016 12:09, Gene a écrit :
> I see that I was wrong in one point.  The original message said any
> response would be welcome to see if the ISP is blocking messages.  But
> again, if the person is not getting list mail, what sense does it make
> to respond on list?
> Gene

Le 21/03/2016 12:09, Gene a écrit :

I see that I was wrong in one point. The original message said any
response would be welcome to see if the ISP is blocking messages. But
again, if the person is not getting list mail, what sense does it make
to respond on list?
Gene

I have received your message.

On 3/21/2016 3:33 AM, The Gamages wrote:
> Hello list members,
> I am not receiving messages from the groups io list,  any response would
> be appreciated to  make sure my ISP is not blocking the messages, thank you
> Best Regards, Jim.
>

On 3/21/2016 3:33 AM, The Gamages wrote:

Hello list members,
I am not receiving messages from the groups io list, any response would
be appreciated to make sure my ISP is not blocking the messages, thank you
Best Regards, Jim.