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The Gamages
 

Hello list members,
My thanks to all those who responded to my test message, I am now receiving mail from the groups io list, it was just a misunderstanding on my part about incoming messages and their origin, just being a bit thick really.
 
Best Regards, Jim.
 

Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] test please read
 
Got it, Jim!
Robert Mendoza
On 3/21/2016 4:33 PM, The Gamages wrote:
Hello list members,
I am not receiving messages from the groups io list,  any response would be appreciated to  make sure my ISP is not blocking the messages, thank you
Best Regards, Jim.


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Gene
 

The original message specifically said that he was not receiving list mail.  If that statement is accurate, then no amount of replies on list would reach him.  If someone wants to tell the person that his message reached the list, replying off list would be the logical thing to do. 
 
I'm simply pointing out that when someone specifically says that they are not receiving list mail, the logical way to respond is to reply off list tlo the person. 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 6:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] test please read

Hi,

I would guess he wants to be pretty sure at least a message has been
sent, and he might not be sure with his own mail as some mailing lists
don't send back your own messages.
I'd assume it'd be best to check the archives to see what was sent and
when, but he might not know avout thet, have difficulties with the
website, not thought of it, etc.

-- Patrick.
Le 21/03/2016 12:09, Gene a écrit :
> I see that I was wrong in one point.  The original message said any
> response would be welcome to see if the ISP is blocking messages.  But
> again, if the person is not getting list mail, what sense does it make
> to respond on list?
> Gene



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Patrick Le Baudour
 

Hi,

I would guess he wants to be pretty sure at least a message has been sent, and he might not be sure with his own mail as some mailing lists don't send back your own messages.
I'd assume it'd be best to check the archives to see what was sent and when, but he might not know avout thet, have difficulties with the website, not thought of it, etc.

-- Patrick.

Le 21/03/2016 12:09, Gene a écrit :
I see that I was wrong in one point. The original message said any
response would be welcome to see if the ISP is blocking messages. But
again, if the person is not getting list mail, what sense does it make
to respond on list?
Gene


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Gene
 

I see that I was wrong in one point.  The original message said any response would be welcome to see if the ISP is blocking messages.  But again, if the person is not getting list mail, what sense does it make to respond on list?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 6:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] test please read

I have received your message.

On 3/21/2016 3:33 AM, The Gamages wrote:
> Hello list members,
> I am not receiving messages from the groups io list,  any response would
> be appreciated to  make sure my ISP is not blocking the messages, thank you
> Best Regards, Jim.
>



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Laughing Thunder
 

I have received your message.

On 3/21/2016 3:33 AM, The Gamages wrote:
Hello list members,
I am not receiving messages from the groups io list, any response would
be appreciated to make sure my ISP is not blocking the messages, thank you
Best Regards, Jim.


Re: Mary TTS in other languages

Devin Prater
 

If its just about what voices sound good or natural or not, I could probably help with that. I am learning Spanish, and know a little German, but I could compare SpeechHub’s speech with other speech engines, coupled with my knowledge of the language.
Sent from my Mac.

Devin Prater



On Mar 21, 2016, at 5:13 AM, Isaac Porat <isaac@...> wrote:

Hi

First the SpeechHub project is live and well - I maintain it and will no doubt do further development in the future.
My last major development was last June with the introduction of SpeechHub support for MaryTTS 5.
With MaryTTS 5 other languages can be added in a modular fashion where in MaryTTS 4 it was very cumbersome.
This upgrade to MaryTTS 5 was a major task.

MaryTTS is essentially a research project in a German university and like all research projects some bits are more practical than others.  For example with the English voices (which I understand) it took some time to work out which voices work reasonably well  and which do not. With other languages (which I do not understand) this is more difficult as I would need a native speaker to do the assessment for me.

So I am afraid at present, SpeechHub with MaryTTS it is only in English.
When I get the time and inclination to do further developments, I shall ask for native speakers of the specific languages I would be interested to help.

Regards
Isaac

On 18/03/2016 16:24, Arno Schuh wrote:
Hi,

the Mary TTS in SpeechHub only offers english voices.
I know that there are a lot of other languages, i. e. German, for Mary TTS available, too.
Is it possible to get these languages in SpeechHub Mary TTS?
Is it difficult to add additional languages to Mary TTS or is it possible to do it myself? I have no knowledge in writing software.

Yours sincerely

Arno










Re: Mary TTS in other languages

Isaac Porat
 

Hi

First the SpeechHub project is live and well - I maintain it and will no doubt do further development in the future.
My last major development was last June with the introduction of SpeechHub support for MaryTTS 5.
With MaryTTS 5 other languages can be added in a modular fashion where in MaryTTS 4 it was very cumbersome.
This upgrade to MaryTTS 5 was a major task.

MaryTTS is essentially a research project in a German university and like all research projects some bits are more practical than others. For example with the English voices (which I understand) it took some time to work out which voices work reasonably well and which do not. With other languages (which I do not understand) this is more difficult as I would need a native speaker to do the assessment for me.

So I am afraid at present, SpeechHub with MaryTTS it is only in English.
When I get the time and inclination to do further developments, I shall ask for native speakers of the specific languages I would be interested to help.

Regards
Isaac

On 18/03/2016 16:24, Arno Schuh wrote:
Hi,

the Mary TTS in SpeechHub only offers english voices.
I know that there are a lot of other languages, i. e. German, for Mary TTS available, too.
Is it possible to get these languages in SpeechHub Mary TTS?
Is it difficult to add additional languages to Mary TTS or is it possible to do it myself? I have no knowledge in writing software.

Yours sincerely

Arno






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Gene
 

Why do people persist in the completely illogical practice of replying onlist to people who specifically state that they are not receiving listg mail.  Either reply off list or let those such as moderators deal with the problem.  If the person isn't receiving list mail, replying on list won't accomplish anything.  Also, the person didn't ask for verification that there messages are reaching the list.  They just asked for help in receiving list mail. 
 
Gene
 


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Well, I can see this message OK.
I'd see no reason for the bt servers to black list this particular list service myself.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "The Gamages" <james.gamage@btinternet.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 8:33 AM
Subject: [nvda] test please read


Hello list members,
I am not receiving messages from the groups io list, any response would be
appreciated to make sure my ISP is not blocking the messages, thank you
Best Regards, Jim.


Re: keep getting invalid addresses

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Normally this seems to happen when links get broken in the email display. It might be that some other screenreaders are joining the bits together better than nvda can. I usually maximiset the window containing the link before I attempt to click it, then, usually it works.
What is the email client, or are you perhaps using some form of webmail in which case one might need to look at what the browser is doing differently.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "marvin kotler" <m.kotler53@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 6:20 AM
Subject: [nvda] keep getting invalid addresses


Good evening list. I am having a problem, more or less. When I click on a link in an email message for example someones in face book. I keep getting invalid address coming up. I do not have this problem with our other friendly screen reader. This happens on any address in an email message. Any help on this resolution of this issue would be appreciated; thanks in advance. Running nvda 6.1,and/or jfw17internet explorer 11 is the brouser that comes up after entering on a link in the email message.


Re: about balabolka and nvda.

 

hi.
i use windows xp service pack 3 32 bit, my tts is espeak iven3, my ram
is two gb.

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No selection did not wpork as from xp onward.
I think the selection flag is not being sent to the screenreader
correctly.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene New Zealand" <hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about balabolka and nvda.


Hi

Is it the whole document you want to copy? If so once it is in balabulka
and showing, if you just want to copy the text, and you want the whole
document, use the ctrl key + the letter A. This will select the whole
document. You can then use the ctrl key + the letter C to copy it to
another document. Then it is a matter of pasing it in the new document
with the CTRL key and the letter V

NVDA was reading what was copied into bulkbuka and i could use the CTRL
keys + the left or right arrow key to go word by word and also the say
all command.

As you mentioned I could not hear NVDA say when I was selecting text
using the shift key. I am not sure if it is because I am on windows 10
doing it.

If you only want certain parts out of it, you could use the F9 key to
start a mark oto mark where you want NVDA to copy from then go to the
end of the area where you want nVDA to stop the mark which is at the end
of the stuff you want. The NVDA key + the letter C will speak what is in
the clipboard, once the F10 key has copied it there.

You can also use the text review or is it the review text commands. They
are the ones on the numeric keypad.

The section in the user manual is 5.5. Reviewing Text
That section will give you all the keys you can use. This part of the
manual is useful fo rread only stuff where it can not be copied the
normal way.

hope this helps.

Gene nz


On 21-Mar-16 1:54 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
my problem is with selection and for this reason i dont know which
line or word i am selecting, shurely i cant copy peist my desires.

On 3/20/16, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
hi.
thanks for your answer.
i have problem with selection.
in text editor like notepad, akelpad, wordpad i can press shift with
down arrow key and nvda say selection.
when i press control shift right i can select word and nvda reads my
selection.
but unfortunately in balabolka does not say any of my selections and i
cant understand what do i do.

On 3/20/16, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com> wrote:
Hi Group,

I have just opened a PDF file in Balabolka and I have had no problems
with reading, navigation or copy/paste.

I have used it in the past to convert lengthy text files and other
formats such as PDF, EPub and HTML to synthesized speech using the
Microsoft default voice of choice. I have the new legal Eloquence SAPI
5 version which does a great job of interacting with the software. On
older slower computers: XP and early Windows 7, I did have a problem
with the program crashing when I tried converting lengthy text and
other
format files to speech. On my newer Windows 8.1 8 core with 16 GB RAM,
I have no such issues.

Just what types of problems are you people having with the interface?

On 3/20/2016 5:46 AM, Kostadin Kolev wrote:
Hello,

Working with text from within Balabolka is not screen reader friendly.
At least not when using NVDA.
But you can open a file (e.g. PDF) in Balabolka, select the whole text
content with Control+A and copy it to the clipboard with Control+C.
Note however, that NVDA will not report that you have selected any
text. Then you can paste the copied text in some accessible text
editor like Notepad, AkelPad, Notepad++, etc. and work with it from
there.
Alternatively, after opening the file in Balabolka, you can save it to
plain text file (*.txt) from menu File -> Save as in Balabolka and
choose "Text File" from the "Save as type" combo box in the "Save as"
dialog. Then you can opened the saved plain text (*.txt) file in any
accessible plain text editor (Notepad, AkelPad, Notepad++, etc.) and
work with it from there.
Note however, that Balabolka's text extraction methods don't preserve
some formating information, including the page breaks and the pages
get merged in one large file with in some cases no distinction between
pages. In most cases however, there is at least one blank line between
pages, so you'll be able to distinct them from one another.
Even with all those suggestions for workarounds however, I strongly
suggest you to firstly try to open the PDF files in Acrobat Reader DC
and work with the text from within it, before trying any other PDF
viewer like Balabolka. Acrobat Reader DC is free and can be downloaded
from Adobe's website. You can copy text from PDF files from Acrobat
Reader DC, unless the PDF file in question is protected in a way that
prevents text copying to work at all. But in such a case, I doubt that
you be able to extract/copy text from such a PDF file even with
another PDF viewer like Balabolka for example.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

На 20.3.2016 г. в 10:52, nasrin khaksar написа:
hi every one.
i realy appreciate you if someone help me to learn how to use
balabolka, select words lines pages and copy and peist my selection.
i need working with pdf documents and now the only solution for me is
balabolka.
because sumatra is not accessible until now.
thanks so much and god bless you.

On 3/19/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk>
wrote:
I've had little luck with this software either, so don't think its
just
you.

I suspect there is probably a distinct version which we have to use,
but I
do not know which it is and where to get it!
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 4:02 AM
Subject: [nvda] about balabolka and nvda.


hi every one.
i use balabolka and tried many versions of it.
but unfortunately i cant use it by nvda easily.
for example: when i want to select one character, one word, one
line
and press shift left and right, shift control left and right, shift
up
and shift down nvda does not announce anything and i cant
understand
what do i am doing.
who can teach me to solve this problem?
thanks for your help and god bless you.

--
Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins
them
good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good
things
and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them
their
burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for] those who
believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light
which
has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org








--
Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins them
good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things
and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their
burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for] those who
believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which
has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org
--
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material

at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net







--
Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins them
good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things
and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their
burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for] those who
believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which
has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: about balabolka and nvda.

Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
 

No selection did not wpork as from xp onward.
I think the selection flag is not being sent to the screenreader correctly.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene New Zealand" <hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about balabolka and nvda.


Hi

Is it the whole document you want to copy? If so once it is in balabulka
and showing, if you just want to copy the text, and you want the whole
document, use the ctrl key + the letter A. This will select the whole
document. You can then use the ctrl key + the letter C to copy it to
another document. Then it is a matter of pasing it in the new document
with the CTRL key and the letter V

NVDA was reading what was copied into bulkbuka and i could use the CTRL
keys + the left or right arrow key to go word by word and also the say
all command.

As you mentioned I could not hear NVDA say when I was selecting text
using the shift key. I am not sure if it is because I am on windows 10
doing it.

If you only want certain parts out of it, you could use the F9 key to
start a mark oto mark where you want NVDA to copy from then go to the
end of the area where you want nVDA to stop the mark which is at the end
of the stuff you want. The NVDA key + the letter C will speak what is in
the clipboard, once the F10 key has copied it there.

You can also use the text review or is it the review text commands. They
are the ones on the numeric keypad.

The section in the user manual is 5.5. Reviewing Text
That section will give you all the keys you can use. This part of the
manual is useful fo rread only stuff where it can not be copied the
normal way.

hope this helps.

Gene nz


On 21-Mar-16 1:54 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
my problem is with selection and for this reason i dont know which
line or word i am selecting, shurely i cant copy peist my desires.

On 3/20/16, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
hi.
thanks for your answer.
i have problem with selection.
in text editor like notepad, akelpad, wordpad i can press shift with
down arrow key and nvda say selection.
when i press control shift right i can select word and nvda reads my
selection.
but unfortunately in balabolka does not say any of my selections and i
cant understand what do i do.

On 3/20/16, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com> wrote:
Hi Group,

I have just opened a PDF file in Balabolka and I have had no problems
with reading, navigation or copy/paste.

I have used it in the past to convert lengthy text files and other
formats such as PDF, EPub and HTML to synthesized speech using the
Microsoft default voice of choice. I have the new legal Eloquence SAPI
5 version which does a great job of interacting with the software. On
older slower computers: XP and early Windows 7, I did have a problem
with the program crashing when I tried converting lengthy text and other
format files to speech. On my newer Windows 8.1 8 core with 16 GB RAM,
I have no such issues.

Just what types of problems are you people having with the interface?

On 3/20/2016 5:46 AM, Kostadin Kolev wrote:
Hello,

Working with text from within Balabolka is not screen reader friendly.
At least not when using NVDA.
But you can open a file (e.g. PDF) in Balabolka, select the whole text
content with Control+A and copy it to the clipboard with Control+C.
Note however, that NVDA will not report that you have selected any
text. Then you can paste the copied text in some accessible text
editor like Notepad, AkelPad, Notepad++, etc. and work with it from
there.
Alternatively, after opening the file in Balabolka, you can save it to
plain text file (*.txt) from menu File -> Save as in Balabolka and
choose "Text File" from the "Save as type" combo box in the "Save as"
dialog. Then you can opened the saved plain text (*.txt) file in any
accessible plain text editor (Notepad, AkelPad, Notepad++, etc.) and
work with it from there.
Note however, that Balabolka's text extraction methods don't preserve
some formating information, including the page breaks and the pages
get merged in one large file with in some cases no distinction between
pages. In most cases however, there is at least one blank line between
pages, so you'll be able to distinct them from one another.
Even with all those suggestions for workarounds however, I strongly
suggest you to firstly try to open the PDF files in Acrobat Reader DC
and work with the text from within it, before trying any other PDF
viewer like Balabolka. Acrobat Reader DC is free and can be downloaded
from Adobe's website. You can copy text from PDF files from Acrobat
Reader DC, unless the PDF file in question is protected in a way that
prevents text copying to work at all. But in such a case, I doubt that
you be able to extract/copy text from such a PDF file even with
another PDF viewer like Balabolka for example.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

На 20.3.2016 г. в 10:52, nasrin khaksar написа:
hi every one.
i realy appreciate you if someone help me to learn how to use
balabolka, select words lines pages and copy and peist my selection.
i need working with pdf documents and now the only solution for me is
balabolka.
because sumatra is not accessible until now.
thanks so much and god bless you.

On 3/19/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
I've had little luck with this software either, so don't think its
just
you.

I suspect there is probably a distinct version which we have to use,
but I
do not know which it is and where to get it!
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 4:02 AM
Subject: [nvda] about balabolka and nvda.


hi every one.
i use balabolka and tried many versions of it.
but unfortunately i cant use it by nvda easily.
for example: when i want to select one character, one word, one line
and press shift left and right, shift control left and right, shift
up
and shift down nvda does not announce anything and i cant understand
what do i am doing.
who can teach me to solve this problem?
thanks for your help and god bless you.

--
Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins
them
good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things
and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their
burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for] those who
believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which
has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org








--
Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins them
good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things
and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their
burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for] those who
believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which
has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org
--
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net


Re: Touchscreens?

rob
 

Hi

Certainly I'll be returning the unit, but I won't be buying one with a keyboard.
I wanted something small enough to put in a jacket pocket so I could read on the bus, on the train, etc.
Something that allowed me to read with eloquence.
Of course, a lot of the tablets with keyboards simply look like small laptops, and I already have an 11 inch macbook air.
Oh well, who knows what I'll do.

Rob

On 21/03/2016 09:18, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
:-)
One returns the unit and buys one with a keyboard?

I'll duck behind the sofa to avoid the tomatoes now!
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Chao" <kevinchao89@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Touchscreens?


Hmmm.... This is a bit counter-productive: Input help mode is toggled with
NVDA key+1, but this doesn't work without a keyboard, so how is one to
learn/practice gestures on touch screen-only device?

On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 9:26 AM rob <rob@robgw.net> wrote:

Hi chris

The issue is that I honestly can't use the tablet at all the way it is
at the moment, so I'd need a keyboard to be able to install an addon.
I don't even know how useable the tablet would be with nvda running for
a sighted person.

I have a bluetooth keyboard, but obviously can't get into settings to
connect it.

Rob

On 20/03/2016 16:20, Chris wrote:
yeah you do lose some of the touch screen functionality when using
together with a screen reader
Narrator is probably the best to use in conjunction with a touch
screen and gestures, but that has its own issues as youn may know

you may want to try the enhanced gestures add-on for nvda, that may
improve things a bit

good luck



On 20/03/2016 15:56, rob wrote:
Hi folks

Today, I received a linx 8, windows tablet. Running windows 8.1,
after getting set up with some sighted assistance to install NVDA.
and before anyone says it, reading the user guide, I find myself
completely lost and baffled as to how one goes about using a
touchscreen with nvda.

All of the gestures mentioned in the guide, such as, two finger
double tap to open the nvda menu, three finger tap to change touch
modes, flicking from left to right, up/down. double tapping, fail to
register. I get some information when putting my finger on a random
part of the screen, or sliding around, but nothing worth mentioning.

Am I missing something, or is it just very buggy?
also, I'm using nvda 16.1

Regards

Rob









Re: is there any option with NVDA to READ SINGLE DIGITS AND NOT A GROOUP OF DIGITS

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This one has come up before. I seem to recall some kind of regular expression was used, but it is not foolproof as numbers can be written with many different separators.
I don't have the item stored here as I tend to drop into cursor edit mode to read numbers.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Moty Azrad" <motiaz@gmail.com>
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Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 6:04 PM
Subject: [nvda] is there any option with NVDA to READ SINGLE DIGITS AND NOT A GROOUP OF DIGITS


Dear all,

The subject line explains well my question and if yes, how can I do it and
which changes must be done to enable this feature?

Moti




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Re: Touchscreens?

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:-)
One returns the unit and buys one with a keyboard?

I'll duck behind the sofa to avoid the tomatoes now!
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Chao" <kevinchao89@gmail.com>
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Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Touchscreens?


Hmmm.... This is a bit counter-productive: Input help mode is toggled with
NVDA key+1, but this doesn't work without a keyboard, so how is one to
learn/practice gestures on touch screen-only device?

On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 9:26 AM rob <rob@robgw.net> wrote:

Hi chris

The issue is that I honestly can't use the tablet at all the way it is
at the moment, so I'd need a keyboard to be able to install an addon.
I don't even know how useable the tablet would be with nvda running for
a sighted person.

I have a bluetooth keyboard, but obviously can't get into settings to
connect it.

Rob

On 20/03/2016 16:20, Chris wrote:
yeah you do lose some of the touch screen functionality when using
together with a screen reader
Narrator is probably the best to use in conjunction with a touch
screen and gestures, but that has its own issues as youn may know

you may want to try the enhanced gestures add-on for nvda, that may
improve things a bit

good luck



On 20/03/2016 15:56, rob wrote:
Hi folks

Today, I received a linx 8, windows tablet. Running windows 8.1,
after getting set up with some sighted assistance to install NVDA.
and before anyone says it, reading the user guide, I find myself
completely lost and baffled as to how one goes about using a
touchscreen with nvda.

All of the gestures mentioned in the guide, such as, two finger
double tap to open the nvda menu, three finger tap to change touch
modes, flicking from left to right, up/down. double tapping, fail to
register. I get some information when putting my finger on a random
part of the screen, or sliding around, but nothing worth mentioning.

Am I missing something, or is it just very buggy?
also, I'm using nvda 16.1

Regards

Rob








Re: Touchscreens?

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I've seen similar comments on other screenreaders as well. To be honest reading all of these, I am thinking that touch is going to be a bit of a loser on anything bigger than a smart phone with special gestures for blind users.
I'm sure there is somebody out there that thinks its great, but I have a low frustration tolerance and on most tests I've tried with Windoze touch and screenreaders, you can keep em, I'm sorry.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "rob" <rob@robgw.net>
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Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Touchscreens?


Hi chris

The issue is that I honestly can't use the tablet at all the way it is at the moment, so I'd need a keyboard to be able to install an addon.
I don't even know how useable the tablet would be with nvda running for a sighted person.

I have a bluetooth keyboard, but obviously can't get into settings to connect it.

Rob

On 20/03/2016 16:20, Chris wrote:
yeah you do lose some of the touch screen functionality when using together with a screen reader
Narrator is probably the best to use in conjunction with a touch screen and gestures, but that has its own issues as youn may know

you may want to try the enhanced gestures add-on for nvda, that may improve things a bit

good luck



On 20/03/2016 15:56, rob wrote:
Hi folks

Today, I received a linx 8, windows tablet. Running windows 8.1, after getting set up with some sighted assistance to install NVDA. and before anyone says it, reading the user guide, I find myself completely lost and baffled as to how one goes about using a touchscreen with nvda.

All of the gestures mentioned in the guide, such as, two finger double tap to open the nvda menu, three finger tap to change touch modes, flicking from left to right, up/down. double tapping, fail to register. I get some information when putting my finger on a random part of the screen, or sliding around, but nothing worth mentioning.

Am I missing something, or is it just very buggy?
also, I'm using nvda 16.1

Regards

Rob





Re: about balabolka and nvda.

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Its laggy, weird when selecting text and stops working for no apparent reason. However for straight text to speech, Dspeech seems to do all I want.
i have a suspicinion that on different flavours of windows, the program we are discussioing acts differently, and maybe there are some versions of the software that work on one windows set up and not on another, but life is just too short to have to mess with all of that.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
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Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about balabolka and nvda.


Hi Group,

I have just opened a PDF file in Balabolka and I have had no problems
with reading, navigation or copy/paste.

I have used it in the past to convert lengthy text files and other
formats such as PDF, EPub and HTML to synthesized speech using the
Microsoft default voice of choice. I have the new legal Eloquence SAPI
5 version which does a great job of interacting with the software. On
older slower computers: XP and early Windows 7, I did have a problem
with the program crashing when I tried converting lengthy text and other
format files to speech. On my newer Windows 8.1 8 core with 16 GB RAM,
I have no such issues.

Just what types of problems are you people having with the interface?

On 3/20/2016 5:46 AM, Kostadin Kolev wrote:
Hello,

Working with text from within Balabolka is not screen reader friendly.
At least not when using NVDA.
But you can open a file (e.g. PDF) in Balabolka, select the whole text
content with Control+A and copy it to the clipboard with Control+C.
Note however, that NVDA will not report that you have selected any
text. Then you can paste the copied text in some accessible text
editor like Notepad, AkelPad, Notepad++, etc. and work with it from
there.
Alternatively, after opening the file in Balabolka, you can save it to
plain text file (*.txt) from menu File -> Save as in Balabolka and
choose "Text File" from the "Save as type" combo box in the "Save as"
dialog. Then you can opened the saved plain text (*.txt) file in any
accessible plain text editor (Notepad, AkelPad, Notepad++, etc.) and
work with it from there.
Note however, that Balabolka's text extraction methods don't preserve
some formating information, including the page breaks and the pages
get merged in one large file with in some cases no distinction between
pages. In most cases however, there is at least one blank line between
pages, so you'll be able to distinct them from one another.
Even with all those suggestions for workarounds however, I strongly
suggest you to firstly try to open the PDF files in Acrobat Reader DC
and work with the text from within it, before trying any other PDF
viewer like Balabolka. Acrobat Reader DC is free and can be downloaded
from Adobe's website. You can copy text from PDF files from Acrobat
Reader DC, unless the PDF file in question is protected in a way that
prevents text copying to work at all. But in such a case, I doubt that
you be able to extract/copy text from such a PDF file even with
another PDF viewer like Balabolka for example.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

На 20.3.2016 г. в 10:52, nasrin khaksar написа:
hi every one.
i realy appreciate you if someone help me to learn how to use
balabolka, select words lines pages and copy and peist my selection.
i need working with pdf documents and now the only solution for me is
balabolka.
because sumatra is not accessible until now.
thanks so much and god bless you.

On 3/19/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
I've had little luck with this software either, so don't think its just
you.

I suspect there is probably a distinct version which we have to use,
but I
do not know which it is and where to get it!
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 4:02 AM
Subject: [nvda] about balabolka and nvda.


hi every one.
i use balabolka and tried many versions of it.
but unfortunately i cant use it by nvda easily.
for example: when i want to select one character, one word, one line
and press shift left and right, shift control left and right, shift up
and shift down nvda does not announce anything and i cant understand
what do i am doing.
who can teach me to solve this problem?
thanks for your help and god bless you.

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Re: Windows Live mail

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I've not encountered this one, but then Live mail has other quirks I do not understand.
It often depends on which version of live you have installed in my experience.
Now I have a version of Outlook Express mostly working in later Windows, I'm considering removing Live mail completely. The odd crash that OE has can be fixed by a small script file to reboot it, and its far more reliable than when live mail gets itself into the, no I won't show you any folders so there, mode!
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Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 10:42 AM
Subject: [nvda] Windows Live mail


I know this is probably not an NVDA issue, but when reading messages in my in box, in order to save me having to listen to the subject line again, I hit the tab key and the message is read. If I go to another foulder such as the junk foulder, I cannot do this.


Re: confused about all of the screen reader voices out there

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I'd better not even mention via-voice then..:-)
In theory, the voice should be the same but the means of using it is different, These older versions though, are not strictly legal unless you paid for them at the time and there was no hacking involved.
Sadly today, the voices tend to be copyrighted in different forms and different companies buy and seel them along with the means to make them work, so it is indeed a minefield, and unsurprisingly, the makers of Nvda only truly support their use through the current rights holders drivers etc, or it could lay them open to legal action. This is the reality of the world we live in, unfortunately.


The Via-voice Eloquence sound alikes are SAppi 4, but some of the others are Sappi 5, or indeed a completely bespoke synth.

I'm not that happy with the latest versions, as it sounds a bit gritty and odd, mind you I'm not a fan of that voice in the first place, to be honest.
At the moment I'm using Quincy from Espeak for most navigation and the speech platform Microsoft voices, Hazel, for reading of long documents.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Isaac" <bigikemusic@gmail.com>
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Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 8:30 AM
Subject: [nvda] confused about all of the screen reader voices out there


what is the difference in the code factory and neuonce vocalizer, and what is the difference in the eloquence sold as a sapi product and the eloquence addon, and is the sapi eloquence sapi 5 and how do people like it.
Thanks


locked Re: test please read

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hi jim your mail is laud and clear.
cheers
paul otter
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 9:33 AM
Subject: [nvda] test please read

Hello list members,
I am not receiving messages from the groups io list,  any response would be appreciated to  make sure my ISP is not blocking the messages, thank you
Best Regards, Jim.