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Re: how to read arabic superscripts

Umair Ijaz <umairthescholar@...>
 

Yes, I am referring to those diacritics which serve as vowel sounds. I
am not using braille display.
Yes, I was using notepad. thanks for the suggestion I tried ms word
that's better! now it pronounces the letters with the diacritic mark
on it. I want to know that is it possible to read only the diacritic
symbol with any key? or instead of saying "bee" can it pronounce "bay
zair" or "bay nasub" etc to show that the sound is of high or low one.

On 12/15/16, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hello.
in which program do you mean?
you can read diacrritics in arabic for many programs by left and right
arrow keys like letters.
i mean that you can use microsoft office word, wordpad, notepad++,
firefox and internet explorer both letters and diacritics by left and
right arrow keys.
but unfortunately, using windows notepad, libreoffice and openoffice,
you cant read diacritics by left and right arrow keys and only letters
are accessible.


On 12/15/16, Ben J. Bloomgren <bbloomgren@...> wrote:
Are you referring to the vowels and the other diacritics? I don't know
those
as superscripts, but I'm wondering if that's what you mean. Are you using
a
braille display?

On Dec 14, 2016, at 22:29, Umair Ijaz <umairthescholar@...> wrote:

Dear listers,
I would like to know whether there is any way to read superscript in
arabic text? the superscript which tell us how to read the word.
fatah, nasub , jur, or zair zabar, paish are the technical names of
those superscripts. I am reading Holy Quran and I am not an arabic
native so i want to occasionally know the superscripts on the words.
the sighted can see them in the text but there is no way for me to
read it. kindly tell me how may i read them. i have enabled all
punctuation but it is not reading. is there any special command for
that?
waiting anxiously. thanks.


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Re: Test Message

Peter Chin
 

Thanks for letting me know.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dejan Ristic
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 4:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Test Message

The message has reached me.


On 12/19/2016 11:53 AM, Peter Chin wrote:




Re: Test Message

Peter Chin
 

Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dejan Ristic
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 4:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Test Message

The message has reached me.


On 12/19/2016 11:53 AM, Peter Chin wrote:




Re: Test Message

Dejan Ristic
 

The message has reached me.

On 12/19/2016 11:53 AM, Peter Chin wrote:



Re: List Moderation #adminnotice

David Moore
 

Hi Nimer,

Merry Christmas to you as well. This is my favorite list, because I learn so much, and I have the opportunity to help as well. Thank you, Nimer for everything you do and to let the list moderate itself. I like that as well. Merry Christmas and happy holidays to all of you.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Nimer Jaber
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 10:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] List Moderation #adminnotice

 

Hello all,

I have been keeping an eye on list traffic over the past couple of days, and have waited for things to settle down a bit before coming on board. I wish to take this opportunity to say a couple of things, and to start something new for this list.

As some may remember, Joseph helped me moderate this list for a long while, and he did a wonderful job at that. This list got used to his moderation style, and I found his style to be effective most of the time. I stepped in when needed, and he stepped in when needed, but on the whole, this list for the most part moderated itself. On lists that I run, I find this to be beneficial as even though a thread may be off-topic, it usually does not last long, and the thread may contain valuable information to somebody. At times, I have had to shut down certain topics, and the moderation team has been in agreement on that, but those times are few. I have always asked members of this list to reach out if they disagree with a decision, and I have said that all list members will be heard. List members can reach out to the list owner address, or to me personally, and I will be happy to help and serve in the best way possible. We won't always agree, but I will hear you out, and I will make sure that you know why a decision was made as it was, and I will give you the opportunity to change my mind. In addition, this list does have a sublist for discussion of list matters, although I don't see that as being used on most lists where it exists, and in any case, list matters on this list at any rate, are not all democratic. Why? Because this list made that clear during past decisions.

During the past year, Joseph stepped down, and this list elected not to have elections for a new moderator. I asked for volunteers that wished to become a moderator after this list elected not to have a democratic process. I also asked for nominations. Jene was my pick out of two candidates to be moderator because he is knowledgeable, he has participated on this list for a long time, many on this list respect him for his contributions, and he demonstrated to me a willingness to work with me and to work for this list to serve its membership in the best way possible. I asked after he was selected to be a moderator that all of us welcome Jene, and to treat him with the respect that you have treated me and Joseph in the past. Gene is not Joseph, and he has a different style of communication. However, both of us are in agreement to continue to allow this list for the most part to run itself, and we are both in agreement to be listers, just as all of you are, except for when we need to step up to the podium to deal with a situation. So far, I hope all of you can agree with my assessments of the situation.

Over the past few days, some questions have come up about the moderation of this list. I want to thank Stuart and Brian for reaching out via proper channels to register what they feel to be issues. Gene has, and continues to have my support for the running of this list, and has not given me any reason to think that he does not make an effective moderator. However, I am open to hear ideas for how you believe the moderation of this list can be improved, and how we can serve you better to make this list more functionable, and to allow us to be more answerable to you. To that end, I want to once again invite anyone that wishes to be heard to send a message to nvda+owner@groups.io or to nimerjaber1@... with your thoughts, suggestions, or grievances. I do want to listen, and to be there for each of you. Also, I am wondering if this list would like a time to talk about any issues that you experience? This could be something that happens monthly, or more often if preferred. If this is something that you would like to see happen, again please send me your comments and suggestions to the group owner e-mail address, or to me at my e-mail address.

Finally, I would like to wish all of you a very happy holidays ahead to you and your families. Thank you for allowing me to continue to serve you, and know that I really am listening and paying attention to your suggestions.

Cordially,

Nimer J, List Owner

 


Re: re i am new to nvda can someone help?

 

hi.
press nvda+control+s to list the synthesizers.
then, press e or home to find espeak ng!
good luck.

On 12/20/16, Dejan Ristic <r.dejan83@...> wrote:
Let others express themselves, too.


On 12/19/2016 10:40 PM, Dejan Ristic wrote:

Let me join the conversation once more.


When the synthesizer dialogue is open, tab once to check which of the
offered output devices is active. I do not say that it may be a
problem, but I simply want to help. On laptops, when no headset is
plugged in, you may choose between Microsoft sound mapper and
speakers. But, when a headset is pluged in, there's the third device
called Headphones.


I hope that your NVDA will start working for you.


On 12/19/2016 10:18 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
If you follow Dejan's suggestion, after pressing NVDA+control+s, "No
speech" is the last option as you down arrow, so you could up arrow
to get to something else. The first option is "eSpeak NG". Often
not the favourite voice, but it should certainly speak.

The other way of resetting is to press NVDA+control+r three times
quickly, which resets everything in NVDA to factory defaults.

Note that the NVDA key is usually insert, particularly on desktops,
and may be caps lock, particularly on laptops).

If you have several programs which use speech installed, you may have
other synthesizers. It is best to avoid trying to choose those in
NVDA unless you are sure they will work with it, as sometimes
commercial programs will restrict the synthesizers you buy with them
to only work with them.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 4:14 AM, Dejan Ristic <r.dejan83@...
<mailto:r.dejan83@...>> wrote:

It may be that your synthesizer is set to the No speech option.


To check it, press: nvda PLUS CONTROL PLUS S. The synthesizer
dialogue should appear. Try to find, for instance, ESpeak NG, and
then press enter to try to make it speak.


NOTE:


If you are unable to do it yourself, either bring up another
screen reader to assist you, or some sighted assistance.



Never have more than one screen reader turned on when you start
your computer. They may have a conflict.
On 12/19/2016 10:05 AM, stewartross wrote:
hi i wonder if someone out there could help me
wenever i try to load nvda, i can't get the voice to work.
i thought i would install nvda, to see what is like also
as my jaws keeps crashing wen i am running outlook express seven
with wiindows seven.
many thanks
from stewart
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holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Test Message

Peter Chin
 

Hope this gets through.


Re: Any NVDA user(s) reading this group or any other via theGroups.io web interface?

David Moore
 

Wow, Brian,

Thank you so much for doing this trial and error on the web site. You have helped me a lot to navigate the Groups.io web site. This is great. I did not know that you could control so much about the emails that you get on the web site. I have been following what you are doing, and I have already changed some options. Thanks a lot for doing this for us.

David Moore. Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 8:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Any NVDA user(s) reading this group or any other via theGroups.io web interface?

 

Well, it looks like the Groups.io page for the messages in a given group, using topics view, is best and most efficiently read using the links list.

Once the links list is up you can use D three times to get to the date link and it's always three down arrows from there to get to the list of links that are interspersed topics and the user profiles of those who started each topic.  What I find most interesting is that once I open a topic, any topic, and use the backspace key to go back to the topics list page I can use up and down arrow to move through the topics/profiles (I wish I could avoid the profiles, but they're links, too) links using up or down arrow just as I would expect I could.  What I have not been successful in doing is getting NVDA to throw focus on to the first topic on the page without using the links list, getting to the Date link, then down arrowing three times to get to that first topic.  I can't seem to tab to it at all easily.

Once any given topic is open I can take advantage that Groups.io includes a message number link that begins with # just prior to the message text.  You can keep jumping forward to the next number sign character to get yourself placed just prior to the actual message text once you've listened to the actual prior message, or part thereof.  It's a lot faster than listening for the reply, like, more, and additional links announced before the next message number link.

It is true, though, that in order to efficiently read virtually any online forum you'll have to have someone who can actually see the way the page is laid out, e.g., that message number link, to set up a plan of attack for future reading.  Obviously, this is not ideal.

There are subscription options that can only be configured via the web interface in the Advanced Preferences on any given group's Subscription page that can greatly decrease the amount of e-mail you get but still lets you get a sense of what's happening on the group.  The option to change Message Selection from getting all messages to instead get only messages for topics you're following, coupled with the checkbox with it to see first messages in any new topic as well, can cut down hugely on the volume of e-mail one receives from a given group. 

There is also another control related to Replies, which will automatically follow any message you either start yourself might reply to the first message, which pairs nicely with the above Message Selection criteria.

These settings also work in conjunction with digests if you're getting digests rather than actual individual messages.  They also work with Mute Topic so if you do choose to mute an individual topic, even if you were following it, you'll see no more of it.

There are just a lot of things that are too complicated to come up with e-mail control messages to set and unset that are available only via the web interface to my knowledge.
--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    

 

 


Re: Any NVDA user(s) reading this group or any other via the Groups.io web interface?

 

Well, it looks like the Groups.io page for the messages in a given group, using topics view, is best and most efficiently read using the links list.

Once the links list is up you can use D three times to get to the date link and it's always three down arrows from there to get to the list of links that are interspersed topics and the user profiles of those who started each topic.  What I find most interesting is that once I open a topic, any topic, and use the backspace key to go back to the topics list page I can use up and down arrow to move through the topics/profiles (I wish I could avoid the profiles, but they're links, too) links using up or down arrow just as I would expect I could.  What I have not been successful in doing is getting NVDA to throw focus on to the first topic on the page without using the links list, getting to the Date link, then down arrowing three times to get to that first topic.  I can't seem to tab to it at all easily.

Once any given topic is open I can take advantage that Groups.io includes a message number link that begins with # just prior to the message text.  You can keep jumping forward to the next number sign character to get yourself placed just prior to the actual message text once you've listened to the actual prior message, or part thereof.  It's a lot faster than listening for the reply, like, more, and additional links announced before the next message number link.

It is true, though, that in order to efficiently read virtually any online forum you'll have to have someone who can actually see the way the page is laid out, e.g., that message number link, to set up a plan of attack for future reading.  Obviously, this is not ideal.

There are subscription options that can only be configured via the web interface in the Advanced Preferences on any given group's Subscription page that can greatly decrease the amount of e-mail you get but still lets you get a sense of what's happening on the group.  The option to change Message Selection from getting all messages to instead get only messages for topics you're following, coupled with the checkbox with it to see first messages in any new topic as well, can cut down hugely on the volume of e-mail one receives from a given group. 

There is also another control related to Replies, which will automatically follow any message you either start yourself might reply to the first message, which pairs nicely with the above Message Selection criteria.

These settings also work in conjunction with digests if you're getting digests rather than actual individual messages.  They also work with Mute Topic so if you do choose to mute an individual topic, even if you were following it, you'll see no more of it.

There are just a lot of things that are too complicated to come up with e-mail control messages to set and unset that are available only via the web interface to my knowledge.
--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    



Re: re i am new to nvda can someone help?

Dejan Ristic
 

Let others express themselves, too.


On 12/19/2016 10:40 PM, Dejan Ristic wrote:

Let me join the conversation once more.


When the synthesizer dialogue is open, tab once to check which of the offered output devices is active. I do not say that it may be a problem, but I simply want to help. On laptops, when no headset is plugged in, you may choose between Microsoft sound mapper and speakers. But, when a headset is pluged in, there's the third device called Headphones.


I hope that your NVDA will start working for you.


On 12/19/2016 10:18 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
If you follow Dejan's suggestion, after pressing NVDA+control+s, "No speech" is the last option as you down arrow, so you could up arrow to get to something else.  The first option is "eSpeak NG".  Often not the favourite voice, but it should certainly speak.

The other way of resetting is to press NVDA+control+r three times quickly, which resets everything in NVDA to factory defaults.

Note that the NVDA key is usually insert, particularly on desktops, and may be caps lock, particularly on laptops).

If you have several programs which use speech installed, you may have other synthesizers.  It is best to avoid trying to choose those in NVDA unless you are sure they will work with it, as sometimes commercial programs will restrict the synthesizers you buy with them to only work with them.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 4:14 AM, Dejan Ristic <r.dejan83@...> wrote:

It may be that your synthesizer is set to the No speech option.


To check it, press: nvda PLUS CONTROL PLUS S. The synthesizer dialogue should appear. Try to find, for instance, ESpeak NG, and then press enter to try to make it speak.


NOTE:


If you are unable to do it yourself, either bring up another screen reader to assist you, or some sighted assistance.



Never have more than one screen reader turned on when you start your computer. They may have a conflict.
On 12/19/2016 10:05 AM, stewartross wrote:
hi i wonder if someone out there could help me
wenever i try to load nvda, i can't get the voice to work.
i thought i would install nvda, to see what is like also
as my jaws keeps crashing wen i am running outlook express seven with wiindows seven.
many thanks
 
from stewart
 
from the ross meister
www.laserhothits.co.uk






--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 








Re: re i am new to nvda can someone help?

Dejan Ristic
 

Let me join the conversation once more.


When the synthesizer dialogue is open, tab once to check which of the offered output devices is active. I do not say that it may be a problem, but I simply want to help. On laptops, when no headset is plugged in, you may choose between Microsoft sound mapper and speakers. But, when a headset is pluged in, there's the third device called Headphones.


I hope that your NVDA will start working for you.


On 12/19/2016 10:18 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

If you follow Dejan's suggestion, after pressing NVDA+control+s, "No speech" is the last option as you down arrow, so you could up arrow to get to something else.  The first option is "eSpeak NG".  Often not the favourite voice, but it should certainly speak.

The other way of resetting is to press NVDA+control+r three times quickly, which resets everything in NVDA to factory defaults.

Note that the NVDA key is usually insert, particularly on desktops, and may be caps lock, particularly on laptops).

If you have several programs which use speech installed, you may have other synthesizers.  It is best to avoid trying to choose those in NVDA unless you are sure they will work with it, as sometimes commercial programs will restrict the synthesizers you buy with them to only work with them.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 4:14 AM, Dejan Ristic <r.dejan83@...> wrote:

It may be that your synthesizer is set to the No speech option.


To check it, press: nvda PLUS CONTROL PLUS S. The synthesizer dialogue should appear. Try to find, for instance, ESpeak NG, and then press enter to try to make it speak.


NOTE:


If you are unable to do it yourself, either bring up another screen reader to assist you, or some sighted assistance.



Never have more than one screen reader turned on when you start your computer. They may have a conflict.
On 12/19/2016 10:05 AM, stewartross wrote:
hi i wonder if someone out there could help me
wenever i try to load nvda, i can't get the voice to work.
i thought i would install nvda, to see what is like also
as my jaws keeps crashing wen i am running outlook express seven with wiindows seven.
many thanks
 
from stewart
 
from the ross meister
www.laserhothits.co.uk






--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 





Re: re i am new to nvda can someone help?

Quentin Christensen
 

If you follow Dejan's suggestion, after pressing NVDA+control+s, "No speech" is the last option as you down arrow, so you could up arrow to get to something else.  The first option is "eSpeak NG".  Often not the favourite voice, but it should certainly speak.

The other way of resetting is to press NVDA+control+r three times quickly, which resets everything in NVDA to factory defaults.

Note that the NVDA key is usually insert, particularly on desktops, and may be caps lock, particularly on laptops).

If you have several programs which use speech installed, you may have other synthesizers.  It is best to avoid trying to choose those in NVDA unless you are sure they will work with it, as sometimes commercial programs will restrict the synthesizers you buy with them to only work with them.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 4:14 AM, Dejan Ristic <r.dejan83@...> wrote:

It may be that your synthesizer is set to the No speech option.


To check it, press: nvda PLUS CONTROL PLUS S. The synthesizer dialogue should appear. Try to find, for instance, ESpeak NG, and then press enter to try to make it speak.


NOTE:


If you are unable to do it yourself, either bring up another screen reader to assist you, or some sighted assistance.



Never have more than one screen reader turned on when you start your computer. They may have a conflict.
On 12/19/2016 10:05 AM, stewartross wrote:
hi i wonder if someone out there could help me
wenever i try to load nvda, i can't get the voice to work.
i thought i would install nvda, to see what is like also
as my jaws keeps crashing wen i am running outlook express seven with wiindows seven.
many thanks
 
from stewart
 
from the ross meister
www.laserhothits.co.uk






--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: dropbox working

 

Well I am just happy direct links work.
Sadly its clear that they do not respond to users. because I just got a standard automated responce saying use the self service options.
Or the forums and many had the same issues I had.
It seems to be fixed for now.
Dropbox is a good service as long as it works that is.
I swear it must be staffed by cybermen its the only explanation I can think of.

On 19/12/2016 10:01 p.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Well I got a notice to an email address I closed the account on but not
on the new account email.
Very strange indeed.
There has been several notices recently telling of upcoming changes, or
improvements as they prefer to call them. to me they are in grave danger
of driving away the simple user who does not wantbadges collaborations
sharing folders etc, and only ever uses it to keep several machines able
to see a core of files and use the public links on places like this to
help out other users.
The did a while ago say they would not support XP and logged everybody
out then without any kind of announcement we coould all log in again and
use it on Intel chipped machines running xp, but not amd ones, but since
they also told us how to stop the client updating as well, and the 13
version still works, then it seems one arm of their organisation is
working one way, while another is doibing something else and not
explaining what they are doing very well either.
They do need to be careful as there are other players out there still
offering public links to cloud stored files.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Arlene" <nedster66@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 4:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working


Well I use them lots. But I never got a notice! For some strange reason
I never got one.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: December-18-16 7:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working



As far as I know, you will get such a notice even if you didn't sign
up. I got a notice last week. As far as I recall, I didn't elect to
get the newsletters. If you don't use public links, I don't know if you
will get such a notice but I have public links and I did.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene <mailto:nedster66@...>

Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:09 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working



Hi Gene If you sign up for Drop Box news letters. They send them to you.
I have’nt signed up. But friends who did sent me messages saying that
your public folder is going private as of March 15 next year.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: December-18-16 12:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working



The message I received only a few days ago said nothing about any other
subject than that public links would be dropped in March of next year.
I see no reason, since Drop Box is working again, and since nothing else
was mentioned, to believe that Drop Box is changing anything else.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss <mailto:sm.everiss@...>

Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 2:43 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] dropbox working



Hi.
Hmmm maybe dropbox crashed, it appears that everything works now as I
expected.
Dropbox.com stopped working for a little but is now back.
If it was a failier then false alarm.
If it was dropbox responding to everyone ranting at them, then I can't
complain.
I just hope they don't mangle it all again because I wasn't happy about it.
It seems that it works though as it should with direct downloads, as
long as that works I won't have to bother about their inaccessible
webpage which I can't seem to get things to work on.






.


Re: soundcard add on

 

Well may I suggest directing everyone to coolblindtech.com and searching their archives?\
Its something like goodybag or something you search for.
any rate there is a amazon for the andrea electronics recording phones which I have as backup, there is a cheap and nasty soundcard included which for the fact its free is not bad.
It was 20 bucks but went up to 30 I think.
If that is not your thing, atguys.com has a cheap card for 15 us bucks.
In both cases those don't need drivers.
The last one is a 60 dollar card by creative the sb play, good for music but speech can be a bit blaa through it, its also large, as big as a small cellphone.
It can not stand ground noise on anything so needs a sepperate usb on its own.
It can run without drivers in a crappy state, with no drivers the effects board just doesn't work.
It also has issues with some games.
With drivers, most of the players and control centers are just no good but the control panel for the effects processer is nice and easy, the updater can be a bit fiddly and you need to either use mouse or sightlings to select the boxes but its good enough.
I know dancingdots has a lot of cards but the prices start going up there.
If you are only going to use it ocationally like till you pick up speakers, plantronics should have good enough headsets.
Just go to where ever you get your cheap and nasty things and buy a basic one.
No drivers, small set, crap quality but it will get you running.
It depends on what you like to carry.
The sb play will fit in your pocket, the headsets will fit in your laptop bag but you will have to take a bag with you.
The advantage with the sets is once stored, you can knock the storage box off the desk and it will not dammage, anything,
I still use my senheiser sets.
To be honest though for those with sound ports and no speakers depending where you are, a cheap and nasty crapware headset is all you need for things.
When servicing at home if I can help it I either plug my 1930s custom built amp my dad built himself back in the day or my logitech z100 speakers into the computer.
If you really don't care about headsets you can always buy and carry round a small bluetooth speaker or speaker with headphone jack for most things.
99.99999% of computers have soundcards or at least internal soundcards.
Unless that is you are servicing a unit which was brought in any year before 2004 or there abouts.
And unless you use something that uses win98 or earlier its unlikely.
Most boards have a basic soundcard most with 3 ports, its true some units you have to fiddle round especially with some of the older via 6 port configs.
Mostly the middle port of any 3 port pair is your friend.

On 19/12/2016 11:57 p.m., Jacques wrote:
I second the suggestion having a USB sound card at hand. Being someone
who frequently work on other people's machines, it always is a good idea
to have a plug-and-play card at the ready when one hits a wall with
sound not working. As Gene correctly pointed out, one only needs a
bottom of the range card for this purpose, so I too, always advise
people to have such a beast for when sound goes south.


Jacques

On 19 Dec 2016 12:46, The Gamages wrote:

Hello Gene,

Thank you for your interest, my problem is a bit more than just the
soundcard at the moment, it's a new computer that was working fine with
all the latest operating system from scratch but has developed a fault,
luckily the computer was purchased locally and the supplier is coming
today to sort it out.
My interest in the soundcard program is so that I can get sound back in
the event of it being accidentally muted or sound reduced to zero.
Your idea of a USB soundcard is interesting though, maybe a good back
up, thanks again.




Best Regards, Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 7:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] soundcard add on

Hi Jim


was your sound card working before on windows 10? or have you just
upgraded then the sound disappeared?

I had something similar when i upgraded to windows 10 from a windows 8
machine. I could not find any updated drivers for my sound card so
brought a very cheap generic usb sound card. the next time i booted the
pc the sound came back or did i have to get someone to change it to the
new sound cards then it came back.


When they done the anniversary version i now also have sound via the old
sound card but may not be the case for all pcs.

You should if you need one be able to get one very cheap like a couple
of dollars nothing fancy.


Gene nz


On 19/12/2016 2:41 AM, The Gamages wrote:
Hello Jacques,

Thank you for your reply, I have read your user guide and have one
question about my particular system.
I am using Windows ten anniversary edition, my soundcard is a
Soundblaster Z.

At the moment I have a problem where I have no speech, sighted people
have confirmed that the card is not muted and, as the computer is
under
warrenty, it will be looked at tomorrow.

That being said, will your program bring back speech when I lose it?
assuming that any problem is sorted first of course.
I am really only interested in getting some sound back if someone
mutes
it or reducers the volume to zero. I am not sure if your program will
do
this or if it stops the sound from being muted or reduced in the first
place. As you will realise now, the old Quick mix just took a
snapshot
of the soundcard and a hot key or desktop icon could be used to
restore
the settings?
In simple terms can you explain what happens with your program.

I do appreciate people like you who give of their time to help others,
whatever the outcome for me, have a very happy festive season and all
good luck for the new year.




Best Regards, Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jacques
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 10:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] soundcard add on

Hi Jim

I wasn't familiar with Quick Mix, but Googled it quickly to see what
it
offered on XP.

I wrote a collection of utilities over the last year or so, which I
call
Stascom Utility Suite. At this point it will recover sound to a
pre-defined level and unmute the default sound card if it became muted
by an event. You can also define day / night volumes to be switched to
at user defined times. At this point it does not load application
specific profiles, but that might just be something I'll look into for
a
future release.

Should you be interested, you can read the user guide and download the
installer from my web page:

http://www.stascom.co.za



Jacques

On 18 Dec 2016 12:25, The Gamages wrote:
Hello all,
I believe someone made an addon to save soundcard settings, I missed
the
thread on this subject, is it anything like the old “quick mix” for
XP?
that was a brilliant program.
does it take a snapshot of the soundcard, or is it a bit more
complicated?
Any comments greatly appreciated.
Best Regards, Jim.





Re: dropbox working

 

To be honest now I can share links directly without a public link I havn't used the public folder for years, I see it no problem it going away.

On 20/12/2016 4:24 a.m., Roger Stewart wrote:
Don't think you could ever send a public link to a folder to someone.
It has never worked when I tried it so I just zipped the folder which
made it one file and then I could send the link to the zip file.


Roger









On 12/19/2016 2:44 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
I got it but don't really get what they mean. Without being able to
use a public link for others, there is little point in having dropbox
really. the thing can be read as, you can still use public links, but
they can only be to a file, not anything more. I've never tried
letting a web user a whole folder on the web interface ie without an
installed drropbox. It would be daft for them to stop public links to
files though, as many people I know rely on my emailing them a link
and do not have the ability to install stuff themselves so say, a link
to a copy of a large text document or audio file is going to be all
they can do, they would not want it attached to an email or it would
end up on a portable device and make their data usage go through the
roof. The link way means they only download it on their home machine.
I've read what they say and as I say I'm really no wiser at all.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 3:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working


As far as I know, you will get such a notice even if you didn't sign
up. I got a notice last week. As far as I recall, I didn't elect to
get the newsletters. If you don't use public links, I don't know if
you will get such a notice but I have public links and I did.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working


Hi Gene If you sign up for Drop Box news letters. They send them to
you. I have’nt signed up. But friends who did sent me messages saying
that your public folder is going private as of March 15 next year.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: December-18-16 12:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working



The message I received only a few days ago said nothing about any
other subject than that public links would be dropped in March of next
year. I see no reason, since Drop Box is working again, and since
nothing else was mentioned, to believe that Drop Box is changing
anything else.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss

Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 2:43 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] dropbox working



Hi.
Hmmm maybe dropbox crashed, it appears that everything works now as I
expected.
Dropbox.com stopped working for a little but is now back.
If it was a failier then false alarm.
If it was dropbox responding to everyone ranting at them, then I can't
complain.
I just hope they don't mangle it all again because I wasn't happy
about it.
It seems that it works though as it should with direct downloads, as
long as that works I won't have to bother about their inaccessible
webpage which I can't seem to get things to work on.








.


.


Re: re testRe: Re: [nvda] I forgot the keystroke for audio ducking

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I got it.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of stewartross
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 3:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: re testRe: Re: [nvda] I forgot the keystroke for audio ducking

 

hi r my messages getting threw

from stew

from the ross meister
www.laserhothits.co.uk


Re: question

 

Hi,
Take a look at:
http://github.com/nvaccess/nvda

Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of lali
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 8:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] question

Dear all!


I would like to ask, what shall I learn to develop nvda addons, and to
help NVDA? Python 3.5, python 2.7.13, or IronPython?

What libraries shall add to Python?

Thanks in advance!

Lali



--
mail: l2belteki@... skype: b.laller1986


Re: re i am new to nvda can someone help?

Dejan Ristic
 

It may be that your synthesizer is set to the No speech option.


To check it, press: nvda PLUS CONTROL PLUS S. The synthesizer dialogue should appear. Try to find, for instance, ESpeak NG, and then press enter to try to make it speak.


NOTE:


If you are unable to do it yourself, either bring up another screen reader to assist you, or some sighted assistance.



Never have more than one screen reader turned on when you start your computer. They may have a conflict.
On 12/19/2016 10:05 AM, stewartross wrote:

hi i wonder if someone out there could help me
wenever i try to load nvda, i can't get the voice to work.
i thought i would install nvda, to see what is like also
as my jaws keeps crashing wen i am running outlook express seven with wiindows seven.
many thanks
 
from stewart
 
from the ross meister
www.laserhothits.co.uk




question

lali <l2belteki@...>
 

Dear all!


I would like to ask, what shall I learn to develop nvda addons, and to help NVDA? Python 3.5, python 2.7.13, or IronPython?

What libraries shall add to Python?

Thanks in advance!

Lali



--
mail: l2belteki@... skype: b.laller1986


Re: dropbox working

Gene
 

I've never received a link to a folder nor have I shared one.  But you will see a copy link item in the context menu when looking at the context menu when a folder is highlighted.  In other words, whether such links work or not, they are still available whether you are working with public links or not.  The abandonment of public links next March appears to be an inconvenience to those who have links to public files on places like web pages.  presumably, new links will have to be put up to replace the old public links.  But it also appears that the options to use the replacement links and what can be linked to will not change.  files will still be able to be linked to and, even if they don't work, folder links are still available.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working

Don't think you could ever send a public link to a folder to someone. 
It has never worked when I tried it so I just zipped the folder which
made it one file and then I could send the link to the zip file.


Roger









On 12/19/2016 2:44 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
> I got it but don't really get what they mean. Without being able to
> use a public link for others, there is little point in having dropbox 
> really. the thing can be read as, you can still use public links, but
> they can only be to a file, not anything more. I've never tried 
> letting a web user a whole folder on the web interface ie without an
> installed drropbox. It would be daft for them to stop public links to
> files though, as many people I know rely on my emailing them a link
> and do not have the ability to install stuff themselves so say, a link
> to a copy of a large text document or audio file is going to be all
> they can do, they would not want it attached to an email or it would 
> end up on a portable device and  make their data usage go through the
> roof. The link way means they only download it on their home machine.
> I've read what they say and as I say I'm really no wiser at all.
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 3:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working
>
>
> As far as I know, you will get such a notice even if you didn't sign
> up.  I got a notice last week.  As far as I recall, I didn't elect to
> get the newsletters.  If you don't use public links, I don't know if
> you will get such a notice but I have public links and I did.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Arlene
> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:09 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working
>
>
> Hi Gene If you sign up for Drop Box news letters. They send them to
> you. I have’nt signed up. But friends who did sent me messages saying
> that your public folder is going private as of March 15 next year.
>
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
> Sent: December-18-16 12:47 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working
>
>
>
> The message I received only a few days ago said nothing about any
> other subject than that public links would be dropped in March of next
> year.  I see no reason, since Drop Box is working again, and since
> nothing else was mentioned, to believe that Drop Box is changing
> anything else.
>
>
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Shaun Everiss
>
> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 2:43 PM
>
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>
> Subject: [nvda] dropbox working
>
>
>
> Hi.
> Hmmm maybe dropbox crashed, it appears that everything works now as I
> expected.
> Dropbox.com stopped working for a little but is now back.
> If it was a failier then false alarm.
> If it was dropbox responding to everyone ranting at them, then I can't
> complain.
> I just hope they don't mangle it all again because I wasn't happy
> about it.
> It seems that it works though as it should with direct downloads, as
> long as that works I won't have to bother about their inaccessible
> webpage which I can't seem to get things to work on.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> .
>



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