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Re: For all the threads about nvda hang

Gene
 

The reason to use a current version of a browser may not be because you want new features.  The reason is to keep receiving security updates for the browser.  I almost never update browsers for new features, though there is a very occasional feature I may be interested in.  I update them for security reasons.
 
You may be able to get security updates for Firefox while using a version that works properly on your machine by using the extended release version. 
 
Gene

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Sent: Monday, December 26, 2016 3:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] For all the threads about nvda hang

hi brian.
thanks extremely about your information about firefox and support for
processors!
it was realy useful and helpful for me.
i realy like version 48 and it works great for me.
whats the new feature of version 49?
i think thats only narrate which does not work for me and i use only nvda.
and for your question about nvda, i should say yes.
i only use espeak as my synthesizer and i did not install any addon, even one!
but nvda since version 2016.2 hangs for me and i cant use it with
firefox sometimes!
firefox is not supported in this case with nvda for me.
i see all the web page as one single document without any link, heading etc.
and also i cant read the documents easily because there is no any
space between the words!

On 12/26/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:
>             Did any of you try the program with no add ons loaded and the
> default synth?
>  I ask as several times recently I've noticed hangs which implicate focus
> highlight in  the error logs. I'm not saying its the cause, but it tends to
>
> be in the loop.
>  Brian
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Re: focus on window with nvda

greg@...
 

Sir,


I am a photographer / web developer / virtual tour producer and am trying to learn how to optimize my web projects for web accessibility when using a screen reader like NVDA.  In my research so far, I have learned that when viewing a project like this: http://www.photographyoptions.net/images/laurel/tour.html, the Page Up / Page Down / End /Home keys can be used to navigate through a thumbnail panel that has image titles.  When NVDA is used to view the page, these keys become disabled.  I have been told by my development software provider that NVDA takes the "focus" away from my page and thereby disables this rudimentary keystroke navigation.  I am hoping to make contact with individuals on this forum who can help me learn to overcome some of these technical problems and also give advice on how to optimize the web accessibility of my projects for users of NVDA and other screen readers.

http://www.photographyoptions.net/images/laurel/tour1.html is an alternative version of the link above that shows how narration could be used to give additional info about the page, including an announcement of special keystrokes which would open up navigation to other screen elements which are possible here like a youtube video embedded in an Iframe within the panoramic images and still images that make up the basis of these virtual tours.  Any advice from this forum would be very much apprciated!

Kind Regards
--
Greg Hosler

www.photographyoptions.com

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865-774-9755


Re: For 'clarity', firefox and amd old processors

Gene
 

What don't you understand?  Are you saying you don't understand what the ESR is or something else?
 
Gene

Sent: Monday, December 26, 2016 2:56 AM
Subject: [nvda] For 'clarity', firefox and amd old processors

I get most of this, but the latter part is a bit more ambiguous.
 Your hardware is no longer supported
If your computer has a processor older than Pentium 4, Firefox version 49
and above is no longer supported.
If Firefox is already installed on your computer, you can continue using it
but you will not receive updates beyond version 48. If you download Firefox
version 49 or above and try to install it, you will see the message, Firefox
cannot be installed. This version of Firefox requires a processor with SSE2
support.
Like many programs, newer versions of Firefox require a processor that
supports Streaming SIMD Extensions 2 (SSE2) for better security and
performance. We recommend a computer with a Pentium 4 or newer processor
that supports SSE2 to use the latest version of Firefox, which has more
features, stability and security.
Firefox Extended Support Release (ESR) will continue to work with older
processors but will not receive updates beyond ESR version 45. Firefox ESR
version 52, scheduled for release in March 2017, will no longer be
supported.



Um sure, clear as mud...
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Re: For all the threads about nvda hang

 

hi brian.
thanks extremely about your information about firefox and support for
processors!
it was realy useful and helpful for me.
i realy like version 48 and it works great for me.
whats the new feature of version 49?
i think thats only narrate which does not work for me and i use only nvda.
and for your question about nvda, i should say yes.
i only use espeak as my synthesizer and i did not install any addon, even one!
but nvda since version 2016.2 hangs for me and i cant use it with
firefox sometimes!
firefox is not supported in this case with nvda for me.
i see all the web page as one single document without any link, heading etc.
and also i cant read the documents easily because there is no any
space between the words!

On 12/26/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:
Did any of you try the program with no add ons loaded and the
default synth?
I ask as several times recently I've noticed hangs which implicate focus
highlight in the error logs. I'm not saying its the cause, but it tends to

be in the loop.
Brian

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Re: My best wishes for this wonderful list!

Angela Delicata
 

Hi,

Happy holidays from me as well: I wish all of you the best in life.

Angela from Italy



Il 26/12/2016 10:28, nasrin khaksar ha scritto:
hi every one.
i also wish a merry christmas and happy new year for you.
i wish the blessings and divine extreme mercy for you all developers,
supporters and users of nvda who help me.
and also i am very glad to help many people and answered many questions.

On 12/26/16, Chris Shook <chris0309@...> wrote:
Hi Fernando
Thanks for the piano pkaying. It was great. I know it's late, but I
hope you had a Merry Christmas and I hope you have a happy new year.
Chris




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Re: My best wishes for this wonderful list!

 

hi every one.
i also wish a merry christmas and happy new year for you.
i wish the blessings and divine extreme mercy for you all developers,
supporters and users of nvda who help me.
and also i am very glad to help many people and answered many questions.

On 12/26/16, Chris Shook <chris0309@...> wrote:
Hi Fernando
Thanks for the piano pkaying. It was great. I know it's late, but I
hope you had a Merry Christmas and I hope you have a happy new year.
Chris



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we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
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imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
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al-islam.org


For all the threads about nvda hang

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Did any of you try the program with no add ons loaded and the default synth?
I ask as several times recently I've noticed hangs which implicate focus highlight in the error logs. I'm not saying its the cause, but it tends to be in the loop.
Brian

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For 'clarity', firefox and amd old processors

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I get most of this, but the latter part is a bit more ambiguous.
Your hardware is no longer supported
If your computer has a processor older than Pentium 4, Firefox version 49 and above is no longer supported.
If Firefox is already installed on your computer, you can continue using it but you will not receive updates beyond version 48. If you download Firefox version 49 or above and try to install it, you will see the message, Firefox cannot be installed. This version of Firefox requires a processor with SSE2 support.
Like many programs, newer versions of Firefox require a processor that supports Streaming SIMD Extensions 2 (SSE2) for better security and performance. We recommend a computer with a Pentium 4 or newer processor that supports SSE2 to use the latest version of Firefox, which has more features, stability and security.
Firefox Extended Support Release (ESR) will continue to work with older processors but will not receive updates beyond ESR version 45. Firefox ESR version 52, scheduled for release in March 2017, will no longer be supported.



Um sure, clear as mud...
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Re: My best wishes for this wonderful list!

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Hi Fernando
Thanks for the piano pkaying. It was great. I know it's late, but I hope you had a Merry Christmas and I hope you have a happy new year.
Chris


My best wishes for this wonderful list!

Fernando Apan
 

Hi all,

First of all I'd like to thank every one here in this list. Though I don't happen to participate very often, I do read your emails every single day and had learned a lot from all of you.

As some of you may know, I'm a pianist. Well, I had prepared a special christmas present for you, which I hope you enjoy with your family. It's a coral by J.S Bach, performed by myself in the piano.

Again, thanks for everything and lots of blessings, peace and love!

You can listen the piece in this link:

https://audioboom.com/posts/5432882-mi-regalo-de-navidad-para-ustedes

Cheers!


Fernando Apan.


Re: NVDA and Protected View "Enable Editing" Button

Sam Bushman
 

If you launch word, press alt-f and t
Then the end key you will land on the options, trust center tab.
Tab in to this dialog and choose trust center settings. In that menu is a way to disable all protected options.
Hope this helps.
Sam


Sam Bushman
LibertyRoundTable.com
801-756-9133

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2016 5:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Protected View "Enable Editing" Button

Is there no way to make the edit the default mode then?
Another reason for not getting later version of Word by the looks of it...
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <@joslee>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Protected View "Enable Editing" Button


Hi,

Replied on the Win10 list, but for future reference: press F6 when you
encounter a protected document in Word, and one of the controls will be a
button that’ll let you enable editing.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian
Vogel
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 7:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Protected View "Enable Editing" Button



Hello All,

If you haven't turned off Protected View in a given MS-Office
program when you download a file opened by any program in the suite it opens
in Protected View.

On the Windows 10 group someone asked about how to get to the
Enable Editing button using JAWS, and I couldn't (using JAWS 18). I thought
it must be a JAWS bug so I fired up NVDA, but get the same behavior.

My first thought on getting to that button was, "Use the screen
reader search for 'Enable Editing'," but when you try to invoke the screen
reader search in either JAWS 18 or NVDA on a document in Protected View it
consistently invokes the navigation pane which is, in Word, the program's
search function. You cannot get yourself to a control like the "Enable
Editing" button from there and I have no idea of what the correct and/or
convenient way is to route oneself directly to that button to enable editing
if one wishes to do so.

One of my step-by-step instruction sets, Adjusting Protected
View Settings in MS-Office Programs
<https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B98uELZbPFnOSHIyWXUzRnFkdmc>
, focuses on turning off Protected View because it can be such a PITA for
screen reader users.

What am I doing wrong here? There has to be a way to get to
that control.
--
Brian

Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient
premises.

~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902


Weather Plus update available

Adriano Barbieri
 

Hi to every one,

Version 4.2.3 26.12.2016
* Now Weather Plus is able to run some connection attempts before notifying
the malfunction of the WoeId in use, it emits a beep at each attempt;
This beep, if you want, can be disabled by using a check box by Weather Plus
settings.

Merry Christmas and Happy new year!
Adriano

Weather Plus it can auto-update, but you can also download it from:
http://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/weatherPlus.en.html
direct download::
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5251169/Weather%20Plus4.2.nvda-addon
or:
http://www.nvda.it/system/files/plugin/weather_plus4.2.nvda-addon?download=1


Re: NVDA and Protected View "Enable Editing" Button

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Is there no way to make the edit the default mode then?
Another reason for not getting later version of Word by the looks of it...
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <@joslee>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Protected View "Enable Editing" Button


Hi,

Replied on the Win10 list, but for future reference: press F6 when you encounter a protected document in Word, and one of the controls will be a button that’ll let you enable editing.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 7:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Protected View "Enable Editing" Button



Hello All,

If you haven't turned off Protected View in a given MS-Office program when you download a file opened by any program in the suite it opens in Protected View.

On the Windows 10 group someone asked about how to get to the Enable Editing button using JAWS, and I couldn't (using JAWS 18). I thought it must be a JAWS bug so I fired up NVDA, but get the same behavior.

My first thought on getting to that button was, "Use the screen reader search for 'Enable Editing'," but when you try to invoke the screen reader search in either JAWS 18 or NVDA on a document in Protected View it consistently invokes the navigation pane which is, in Word, the program's search function. You cannot get yourself to a control like the "Enable Editing" button from there and I have no idea of what the correct and/or convenient way is to route oneself directly to that button to enable editing if one wishes to do so.

One of my step-by-step instruction sets, Adjusting Protected View Settings in MS-Office Programs <https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B98uELZbPFnOSHIyWXUzRnFkdmc> , focuses on turning off Protected View because it can be such a PITA for screen reader users.

What am I doing wrong here? There has to be a way to get to that control.
--
Brian

Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902


Re: starting NVDA

Gene
 

What I meant to say is that short cut commands, such as control alt n are stored in the registry.  I expect they still are.  Short cuts themselves never were stored in the registry.  They aren't settings, they are tiny files.  I didn't state matters correctly.  Since the problem was with a short cut command, rebooting should have been the first or almost the first thing tried. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2016 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] starting NVDA

Shortcuts are not stored in the registry.  In later versions of windows, they are kept in the C:\Program Files\WindowsApps\

directory, and are not regular files, but something called manifests.  For a discussion of this, (and links to more information) you can check this link.
http://superuser.com/questions/491325/where-exactly-are-the-apps-shortcuts-in-the-windows-8-start-screen-stored

In earlier versions of windows, they were just files stored on either the desktop, or in the startup folder.
hth

On 12/22/2016 3:35 PM, Gene wrote:
Rebooting is the first thing that should be tried.  NVdA settings have nothing to do with this problem.  Shortcuts for any file or application are stored in the registry and have nothing to do with the actual program.  they are just a way of starting the program.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] starting NVDA

How about resetting NVDA to factory settings, and then trying the command?


On 12/22/2016 6:25 PM, Brice Mijares wrote:
> My control alt N won't start NVDA. How can I get this hot key working
> again? Thanks.
>
>
>
> .
>








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Re: Review scopes/modes: RE: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox: Firefox 52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of Windows

 

Hi,
Personal reasons as well as the fact that another website will replace this (I'll announce more details soon).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin khaksar
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2016 8:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Review scopes/modes: RE: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox: Firefox 52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of Windows

whats the reason that this website is not available for use in the next year?

On 12/25/16, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hi,
www.nvda-kr.org/en, although I should warn people here that this
website will be going away next year.
Cheers,
Joseph

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
nasrin khaksar
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2016 5:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Review scopes/modes: RE: [nvda] Attention Windows
XP/Vista users using Firefox: Firefox 52 will likely be the last one
to support these versions of Windows

hi.
and how about your audio tutorial?
i know that you made audio tutorial for nvda 2013 or 2014 versions.
where can i download this?

On 12/24/16, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hi,
If you want general info on using NVDA, then the user guide would be
the first place to start. Quentin's tutorial costs some, with
proceeds going to continued development of the screen reader.
Cheers,
Joseph

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 10:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Review scopes/modes: RE: [nvda] Attention Windows
XP/Vista users using Firefox: Firefox 52 will likely be the last one
to support these versions of Windows

hi joseph.
thanks so much for your very great information.
where can i download your tutorial or quentin's tutorial for nvda?
i want a general in using nvda, not the specific version of it.

On 12/24/16, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hi,
Changed the subject line to reflect what we're talking about.
I am the one who recorded that tutorial in 2015 (no need to update
that one to 2017 edition, as Quentin did an awesome job with his guide).
Flat review is essentially an older version of screen review where
you can use review cursor commands to move between controls on
screen. The reason it was called "flat review" is because you can
literally take a look at all available controls on screen for older
apps (newer style apps won't let you use flat review or screen
review). The biggest difference between flat review and screen
review (as I briefly demonstrated in my tutorial) is the fact that,
in screen review, wherever the review cursor goes, NVDA's object
navigation tracker will follow you, whereas this isn't available in
flat review.
Think of review modes as review scopes where you can tell review
cursor where it can go:
* Object review: you can review the contents of a single object.
* Document review: you can review a browse mode document such as
websites, PDF's and so on.
* Screen review: you can review controls on screen (not for newer
style apps).
P.S. If I do record a tutorial, it'll be geared more towards
would-be developers; the "ordinary users version" is now covered by
Quentin's guide (and I was hoping someone would do a what's new
audio guide for
2016.4 but that haven't materialized).
Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 7:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox:
Firefox
52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of Windows

i use windows xp and wish to know about flat review.

On 12/24/16, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
It isn't a question of which is more simple. It's a question of
prefering one interface to the other. And it isn't a question of
how the modes work, but And the preference is for how you switch
between modes such as object and screen review. It's a question of
how to move between flat review, which is now called screen review
and object review. It's not worth changing versions because of
this minor difference. But since I don't need the newer features
or functionality of NVDA, I continue to use the old version. I
don't know the download link for the old version, if there is one.

If you want to know the difference between screen review and object
review, there is at least one tutorial that covers the matter as a
topic or subtopic. When not using screen review, you should make
sure to change the setting back to object review. Not doing so
will cause things like read current line not to work correctly some
of the time.

You can look at the different topics covered in the tutorial at
http://www.nvda-kr.org/en/

It appears that the following sections would be relevant to your
questions:
NVDA Tutorial #3 part 1 - introduction to objects, system focus and
caret versus navigator object and review cursor, object navigation
and review cursor commands.
NVDA Tutorial #3 part 2 - review modes, mouse, touchscreen
navigation revisited.

I haven't looked at the tutorial to any extent so I don't know if
any other sections might have a bearing on the subject but those
appear to be the two main relevant sections. Use the tutorial with
recent or current versins of NVDA. I don't recall what version of
Windows you are using but my old version won't work well, if at all
in Windows 10.
I don't know how well it works in Windows 8.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 7:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox:
Firefox
52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of Windows


thanks gene for answering my question.
i did not use nvda in the early years and i am not familiar with
flat review.
whats the different between it and screen or object review?
which one is more simple to use?
is it possible to download that version? if its so, from where? and
whats the link for it?

On 12/24/16, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Try and see. It is always better to use the latest version, if
possible, for security reasons. Try using it.

Gene


From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 3:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox:
Firefox
52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of
Windows


thanks brian for your guide.
whats the best version of firefox for xp users like me?
in both cpu amd and intel, but my cpu is intel!
thanks again for your help.

On 12/24/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
wrote:
To be honest, Firefox 51 on Intel and 48 on amd chipped xp
machines seems to

be the limit at the moment. having tried to install the newer
versions, on Xp in an amd environment, trying to install anything
higher than 48 results

in a message about hardware not being compatible. these are older
singlecore

Athlon and sempron systems
In the case of Intel, Trying to update a machine with 51 on it
to a higher

better or whatever, is not possible on either my core duo laptop
or the Pentium 4 single core. they just won't install.

Obviously this may change if enough moan as with Dropbox.
However at present Dropbox 16.x will still run that work Intel
machines.
However 13.x is the limit on xp with the AMD chips. there are
steps to deactivate auto update but you are warned that by march
then it could be be

that 13 will no longer be able to work with dropboxs system and
you will have to access via the web site.

I'm sure there are others. Flash plug ins being one of them, and
of course

Adobe reader has been only available in old versions for XP for
some years now, and Digital Editions never worked in Xp at all.

I tend to only use XP as a convenient way to have servers on my
network as they do not require passwords to get at the files
these days, and for that use they work well.


Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <@smeveriss>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 5:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox:
Firefox

52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of
Windows


To be honest they will keep xp going as long as its feesable to
do so.
Eventually they will have to change.
The same will go for 7 8 and 10.
The only good thing we have going for us, is that as long as ms
keep their

desktop side we will have win7 going strong.
And even if ms drop their desktop side its unlikely they will
ever drop full keyboard and other desktop library support for a
while if ever.



On 24/12/2016 8:42 a.m., Gene wrote:
I was wondering how long compatibility for such an old
operating system would be maintained. I don't know what the
latest extended release version is but those wishing to
continue to use Firefox and get security

updates might be able to use it longer as an extended release
version.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 1:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox:
Firefox
52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of
Windows


Hi,



Came across via Twitter: it is likely that Firefox 52 will be
the last FF

version to run on Windows XP and Vista. The Bugzilla link can
be found
at:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1322646



Cheers,

Joseph






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holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org







--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org







--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org







--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org


Re: starting NVDA

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Shortcuts are not stored in the registry.  In later versions of windows, they are kept in the C:\Program Files\WindowsApps\

directory, and are not regular files, but something called manifests.  For a discussion of this, (and links to more information) you can check this link.
http://superuser.com/questions/491325/where-exactly-are-the-apps-shortcuts-in-the-windows-8-start-screen-stored

In earlier versions of windows, they were just files stored on either the desktop, or in the startup folder.
hth

On 12/22/2016 3:35 PM, Gene wrote:
Rebooting is the first thing that should be tried.  NVdA settings have nothing to do with this problem.  Shortcuts for any file or application are stored in the registry and have nothing to do with the actual program.  they are just a way of starting the program.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] starting NVDA

How about resetting NVDA to factory settings, and then trying the command?


On 12/22/2016 6:25 PM, Brice Mijares wrote:
> My control alt N won't start NVDA. How can I get this hot key working
> again? Thanks.
>
>
>
> .
>








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Re: Review scopes/modes: RE: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox: Firefox 52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of Windows

 

whats the reason that this website is not available for use in the next year?

On 12/25/16, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hi,
www.nvda-kr.org/en, although I should warn people here that this website
will be going away next year.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin
khaksar
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2016 5:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Review scopes/modes: RE: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista
users using Firefox: Firefox 52 will likely be the last one to support these
versions of Windows

hi.
and how about your audio tutorial?
i know that you made audio tutorial for nvda 2013 or 2014 versions.
where can i download this?

On 12/24/16, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hi,
If you want general info on using NVDA, then the user guide would be
the first place to start. Quentin's tutorial costs some, with proceeds
going to continued development of the screen reader.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 10:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Review scopes/modes: RE: [nvda] Attention Windows
XP/Vista users using Firefox: Firefox 52 will likely be the last one
to support these versions of Windows

hi joseph.
thanks so much for your very great information.
where can i download your tutorial or quentin's tutorial for nvda?
i want a general in using nvda, not the specific version of it.

On 12/24/16, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hi,
Changed the subject line to reflect what we're talking about.
I am the one who recorded that tutorial in 2015 (no need to update
that one to 2017 edition, as Quentin did an awesome job with his guide).
Flat review is essentially an older version of screen review where
you can use review cursor commands to move between controls on
screen. The reason it was called "flat review" is because you can
literally take a look at all available controls on screen for older
apps (newer style apps won't let you use flat review or screen
review). The biggest difference between flat review and screen review
(as I briefly demonstrated in my tutorial) is the fact that, in
screen review, wherever the review cursor goes, NVDA's object
navigation tracker will follow you, whereas this isn't available in flat
review.
Think of review modes as review scopes where you can tell review
cursor where it can go:
* Object review: you can review the contents of a single object.
* Document review: you can review a browse mode document such as
websites, PDF's and so on.
* Screen review: you can review controls on screen (not for newer
style apps).
P.S. If I do record a tutorial, it'll be geared more towards would-be
developers; the "ordinary users version" is now covered by Quentin's
guide (and I was hoping someone would do a what's new audio guide for
2016.4 but that haven't materialized).
Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 7:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox:
Firefox
52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of Windows

i use windows xp and wish to know about flat review.

On 12/24/16, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
It isn't a question of which is more simple. It's a question of
prefering one interface to the other. And it isn't a question of
how the modes work, but And the preference is for how you switch
between modes such as object and screen review. It's a question of
how to move between flat review, which is now called screen review
and object review. It's not worth changing versions because of this
minor difference. But since I don't need the newer features or
functionality of NVDA, I continue to use the old version. I don't
know the download link for the old version, if there is one.

If you want to know the difference between screen review and object
review, there is at least one tutorial that covers the matter as a
topic or subtopic. When not using screen review, you should make
sure to change the setting back to object review. Not doing so will
cause things like read current line not to work correctly some of
the time.

You can look at the different topics covered in the tutorial at
http://www.nvda-kr.org/en/

It appears that the following sections would be relevant to your
questions:
NVDA Tutorial #3 part 1 - introduction to objects, system focus and
caret versus navigator object and review cursor, object navigation
and review cursor commands.
NVDA Tutorial #3 part 2 - review modes, mouse, touchscreen
navigation revisited.

I haven't looked at the tutorial to any extent so I don't know if
any other sections might have a bearing on the subject but those
appear to be the two main relevant sections. Use the tutorial with
recent or current versins of NVDA. I don't recall what version of
Windows you are using but my old version won't work well, if at all
in Windows 10.
I don't know how well it works in Windows 8.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 7:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox:
Firefox
52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of Windows


thanks gene for answering my question.
i did not use nvda in the early years and i am not familiar with
flat review.
whats the different between it and screen or object review?
which one is more simple to use?
is it possible to download that version? if its so, from where? and
whats the link for it?

On 12/24/16, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Try and see. It is always better to use the latest version, if
possible, for security reasons. Try using it.

Gene


From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 3:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox:
Firefox
52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of Windows


thanks brian for your guide.
whats the best version of firefox for xp users like me?
in both cpu amd and intel, but my cpu is intel!
thanks again for your help.

On 12/24/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
wrote:
To be honest, Firefox 51 on Intel and 48 on amd chipped xp
machines seems to

be the limit at the moment. having tried to install the newer
versions, on Xp in an amd environment, trying to install anything
higher than 48 results

in a message about hardware not being compatible. these are older
singlecore

Athlon and sempron systems
In the case of Intel, Trying to update a machine with 51 on it to
a higher

better or whatever, is not possible on either my core duo laptop
or the Pentium 4 single core. they just won't install.

Obviously this may change if enough moan as with Dropbox.
However at present Dropbox 16.x will still run that work Intel
machines.
However 13.x is the limit on xp with the AMD chips. there are
steps to deactivate auto update but you are warned that by march
then it could be be

that 13 will no longer be able to work with dropboxs system and
you will have to access via the web site.

I'm sure there are others. Flash plug ins being one of them, and
of course

Adobe reader has been only available in old versions for XP for
some years now, and Digital Editions never worked in Xp at all.

I tend to only use XP as a convenient way to have servers on my
network as they do not require passwords to get at the files these
days, and for that use they work well.


Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:- briang1@...,
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <@smeveriss>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 5:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox:
Firefox

52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of
Windows


To be honest they will keep xp going as long as its feesable to
do so.
Eventually they will have to change.
The same will go for 7 8 and 10.
The only good thing we have going for us, is that as long as ms
keep their

desktop side we will have win7 going strong.
And even if ms drop their desktop side its unlikely they will
ever drop full keyboard and other desktop library support for a
while if ever.



On 24/12/2016 8:42 a.m., Gene wrote:
I was wondering how long compatibility for such an old operating
system would be maintained. I don't know what the latest
extended release version is but those wishing to continue to use
Firefox and get security

updates might be able to use it longer as an extended release
version.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 1:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox:
Firefox
52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of
Windows


Hi,



Came across via Twitter: it is likely that Firefox 52 will be
the last FF

version to run on Windows XP and Vista. The Bugzilla link can be
found
at:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1322646



Cheers,

Joseph






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org







--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org







--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: Review scopes/modes: RE: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox: Firefox 52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of Windows

 

Hi,
www.nvda-kr.org/en, although I should warn people here that this website will be going away next year.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin khaksar
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2016 5:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Review scopes/modes: RE: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox: Firefox 52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of Windows

hi.
and how about your audio tutorial?
i know that you made audio tutorial for nvda 2013 or 2014 versions.
where can i download this?

On 12/24/16, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hi,
If you want general info on using NVDA, then the user guide would be
the first place to start. Quentin's tutorial costs some, with proceeds
going to continued development of the screen reader.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 10:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Review scopes/modes: RE: [nvda] Attention Windows
XP/Vista users using Firefox: Firefox 52 will likely be the last one
to support these versions of Windows

hi joseph.
thanks so much for your very great information.
where can i download your tutorial or quentin's tutorial for nvda?
i want a general in using nvda, not the specific version of it.

On 12/24/16, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hi,
Changed the subject line to reflect what we're talking about.
I am the one who recorded that tutorial in 2015 (no need to update
that one to 2017 edition, as Quentin did an awesome job with his guide).
Flat review is essentially an older version of screen review where
you can use review cursor commands to move between controls on
screen. The reason it was called "flat review" is because you can
literally take a look at all available controls on screen for older
apps (newer style apps won't let you use flat review or screen
review). The biggest difference between flat review and screen review
(as I briefly demonstrated in my tutorial) is the fact that, in
screen review, wherever the review cursor goes, NVDA's object
navigation tracker will follow you, whereas this isn't available in flat review.
Think of review modes as review scopes where you can tell review
cursor where it can go:
* Object review: you can review the contents of a single object.
* Document review: you can review a browse mode document such as
websites, PDF's and so on.
* Screen review: you can review controls on screen (not for newer
style apps).
P.S. If I do record a tutorial, it'll be geared more towards would-be
developers; the "ordinary users version" is now covered by Quentin's
guide (and I was hoping someone would do a what's new audio guide for
2016.4 but that haven't materialized).
Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 7:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox:
Firefox
52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of Windows

i use windows xp and wish to know about flat review.

On 12/24/16, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
It isn't a question of which is more simple. It's a question of
prefering one interface to the other. And it isn't a question of
how the modes work, but And the preference is for how you switch
between modes such as object and screen review. It's a question of
how to move between flat review, which is now called screen review
and object review. It's not worth changing versions because of this
minor difference. But since I don't need the newer features or
functionality of NVDA, I continue to use the old version. I don't
know the download link for the old version, if there is one.

If you want to know the difference between screen review and object
review, there is at least one tutorial that covers the matter as a
topic or subtopic. When not using screen review, you should make
sure to change the setting back to object review. Not doing so will
cause things like read current line not to work correctly some of
the time.

You can look at the different topics covered in the tutorial at
http://www.nvda-kr.org/en/

It appears that the following sections would be relevant to your
questions:
NVDA Tutorial #3 part 1 - introduction to objects, system focus and
caret versus navigator object and review cursor, object navigation
and review cursor commands.
NVDA Tutorial #3 part 2 - review modes, mouse, touchscreen
navigation revisited.

I haven't looked at the tutorial to any extent so I don't know if
any other sections might have a bearing on the subject but those
appear to be the two main relevant sections. Use the tutorial with
recent or current versins of NVDA. I don't recall what version of
Windows you are using but my old version won't work well, if at all
in Windows 10.
I don't know how well it works in Windows 8.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 7:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox:
Firefox
52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of Windows


thanks gene for answering my question.
i did not use nvda in the early years and i am not familiar with
flat review.
whats the different between it and screen or object review?
which one is more simple to use?
is it possible to download that version? if its so, from where? and
whats the link for it?

On 12/24/16, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Try and see. It is always better to use the latest version, if
possible, for security reasons. Try using it.

Gene


From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 3:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox:
Firefox
52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of Windows


thanks brian for your guide.
whats the best version of firefox for xp users like me?
in both cpu amd and intel, but my cpu is intel!
thanks again for your help.

On 12/24/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
wrote:
To be honest, Firefox 51 on Intel and 48 on amd chipped xp
machines seems to

be the limit at the moment. having tried to install the newer
versions, on Xp in an amd environment, trying to install anything
higher than 48 results

in a message about hardware not being compatible. these are older
singlecore

Athlon and sempron systems
In the case of Intel, Trying to update a machine with 51 on it to
a higher

better or whatever, is not possible on either my core duo laptop
or the Pentium 4 single core. they just won't install.

Obviously this may change if enough moan as with Dropbox.
However at present Dropbox 16.x will still run that work Intel
machines.
However 13.x is the limit on xp with the AMD chips. there are
steps to deactivate auto update but you are warned that by march
then it could be be

that 13 will no longer be able to work with dropboxs system and
you will have to access via the web site.

I'm sure there are others. Flash plug ins being one of them, and
of course

Adobe reader has been only available in old versions for XP for
some years now, and Digital Editions never worked in Xp at all.

I tend to only use XP as a convenient way to have servers on my
network as they do not require passwords to get at the files these
days, and for that use they work well.


Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:- briang1@...,
putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <@smeveriss>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 5:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox:
Firefox

52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of
Windows


To be honest they will keep xp going as long as its feesable to
do so.
Eventually they will have to change.
The same will go for 7 8 and 10.
The only good thing we have going for us, is that as long as ms
keep their

desktop side we will have win7 going strong.
And even if ms drop their desktop side its unlikely they will
ever drop full keyboard and other desktop library support for a
while if ever.



On 24/12/2016 8:42 a.m., Gene wrote:
I was wondering how long compatibility for such an old operating
system would be maintained. I don't know what the latest
extended release version is but those wishing to continue to use
Firefox and get security

updates might be able to use it longer as an extended release
version.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 1:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox:
Firefox
52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of
Windows


Hi,



Came across via Twitter: it is likely that Firefox 52 will be
the last FF

version to run on Windows XP and Vista. The Bugzilla link can be
found
at:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1322646



Cheers,

Joseph






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org







--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org







--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org


Re: Say hello to Classic Selection add-on from Tyler Spivey

 

hi joseph.
thanks for informing us.
and thanks tyler for writing this!
i wanted the new behavior for selection, but sometimes it does not
work for me and because of the crash of new versions of nvda, i revert
to 2016.1 again today!

2016.1 and previous versions of nvda work without any crash!
but i am realy happy to heard this news for those who use the current
version and want the old behaviour.
and also, i aggree for the setting in preferences for the previous and
current way of selecting document with nvda.
God bless you all and merry christmas!

On 12/25/16, Chris <chrismedley@...> wrote:
Maybe an option in preferences would be nice rather than a addon
But thanks anyway
Cheer


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: Review scopes/modes: RE: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox: Firefox 52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of Windows

 

hi.
and how about your audio tutorial?
i know that you made audio tutorial for nvda 2013 or 2014 versions.
where can i download this?

On 12/24/16, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hi,
If you want general info on using NVDA, then the user guide would be the
first place to start. Quentin's tutorial costs some, with proceeds going to
continued development of the screen reader.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin
khaksar
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 10:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Review scopes/modes: RE: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista
users using Firefox: Firefox 52 will likely be the last one to support these
versions of Windows

hi joseph.
thanks so much for your very great information.
where can i download your tutorial or quentin's tutorial for nvda?
i want a general in using nvda, not the specific version of it.

On 12/24/16, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hi,
Changed the subject line to reflect what we're talking about.
I am the one who recorded that tutorial in 2015 (no need to update
that one to 2017 edition, as Quentin did an awesome job with his guide).
Flat review is essentially an older version of screen review where you
can use review cursor commands to move between controls on screen. The
reason it was called "flat review" is because you can literally take a
look at all available controls on screen for older apps (newer style
apps won't let you use flat review or screen review). The biggest
difference between flat review and screen review (as I briefly
demonstrated in my tutorial) is the fact that, in screen review,
wherever the review cursor goes, NVDA's object navigation tracker will
follow you, whereas this isn't available in flat review.
Think of review modes as review scopes where you can tell review
cursor where it can go:
* Object review: you can review the contents of a single object.
* Document review: you can review a browse mode document such as
websites, PDF's and so on.
* Screen review: you can review controls on screen (not for newer
style apps).
P.S. If I do record a tutorial, it'll be geared more towards would-be
developers; the "ordinary users version" is now covered by Quentin's
guide (and I was hoping someone would do a what's new audio guide for
2016.4 but that haven't materialized).
Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 7:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox:
Firefox
52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of Windows

i use windows xp and wish to know about flat review.

On 12/24/16, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
It isn't a question of which is more simple. It's a question of
prefering one interface to the other. And it isn't a question of how
the modes work, but And the preference is for how you switch between
modes such as object and screen review. It's a question of how to
move between flat review, which is now called screen review and
object review. It's not worth changing versions because of this
minor difference. But since I don't need the newer features or
functionality of NVDA, I continue to use the old version. I don't
know the download link for the old version, if there is one.

If you want to know the difference between screen review and object
review, there is at least one tutorial that covers the matter as a
topic or subtopic. When not using screen review, you should make
sure to change the setting back to object review. Not doing so will
cause things like read current line not to work correctly some of the
time.

You can look at the different topics covered in the tutorial at
http://www.nvda-kr.org/en/

It appears that the following sections would be relevant to your
questions:
NVDA Tutorial #3 part 1 - introduction to objects, system focus and
caret versus navigator object and review cursor, object navigation
and review cursor commands.
NVDA Tutorial #3 part 2 - review modes, mouse, touchscreen navigation
revisited.

I haven't looked at the tutorial to any extent so I don't know if any
other sections might have a bearing on the subject but those appear
to be the two main relevant sections. Use the tutorial with recent
or current versins of NVDA. I don't recall what version of Windows
you are using but my old version won't work well, if at all in Windows
10.
I don't know how well it works in Windows 8.

Gene
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From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 7:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox:
Firefox
52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of Windows


thanks gene for answering my question.
i did not use nvda in the early years and i am not familiar with flat
review.
whats the different between it and screen or object review?
which one is more simple to use?
is it possible to download that version? if its so, from where? and
whats the link for it?

On 12/24/16, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Try and see. It is always better to use the latest version, if
possible, for security reasons. Try using it.

Gene


From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 3:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox:
Firefox
52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of Windows


thanks brian for your guide.
whats the best version of firefox for xp users like me?
in both cpu amd and intel, but my cpu is intel!
thanks again for your help.

On 12/24/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
wrote:
To be honest, Firefox 51 on Intel and 48 on amd chipped xp machines
seems to

be the limit at the moment. having tried to install the newer
versions, on Xp in an amd environment, trying to install anything
higher than 48 results

in a message about hardware not being compatible. these are older
singlecore

Athlon and sempron systems
In the case of Intel, Trying to update a machine with 51 on it to
a higher

better or whatever, is not possible on either my core duo laptop or
the Pentium 4 single core. they just won't install.

Obviously this may change if enough moan as with Dropbox.
However at present Dropbox 16.x will still run that work Intel
machines.
However 13.x is the limit on xp with the AMD chips. there are steps
to deactivate auto update but you are warned that by march then it
could be be

that 13 will no longer be able to work with dropboxs system and you
will have to access via the web site.

I'm sure there are others. Flash plug ins being one of them, and
of course

Adobe reader has been only available in old versions for XP for
some years now, and Digital Editions never worked in Xp at all.

I tend to only use XP as a convenient way to have servers on my
network as they do not require passwords to get at the files these
days, and for that use they work well.


Brian

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From: "Shaun Everiss" <@smeveriss>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 5:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox:
Firefox

52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of Windows


To be honest they will keep xp going as long as its feesable to do
so.
Eventually they will have to change.
The same will go for 7 8 and 10.
The only good thing we have going for us, is that as long as ms
keep their

desktop side we will have win7 going strong.
And even if ms drop their desktop side its unlikely they will ever
drop full keyboard and other desktop library support for a while
if ever.



On 24/12/2016 8:42 a.m., Gene wrote:
I was wondering how long compatibility for such an old operating
system would be maintained. I don't know what the latest
extended release version is but those wishing to continue to use
Firefox and get security

updates might be able to use it longer as an extended release
version.

Gene
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Gene
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From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 1:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox:
Firefox
52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of
Windows


Hi,



Came across via Twitter: it is likely that Firefox 52 will be the
last FF

version to run on Windows XP and Vista. The Bugzilla link can be
found
at:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1322646



Cheers,

Joseph






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we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
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al-islam.org







--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org