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Re: Command Key Announcement - Possible Refinement

Andre Fisher
 

I agree, and due to NV Access' stand on the matter, think that an
add-on would be the way to go. I personally would install such an
add-on.

On 12/30/16, David Griffith <daj.griffith@gmail.com> wrote:
I appreciate that this may be a low priority request but I wonder if it
would be possible to have a command key announcement option that does not
use announcement for the arrow keys.

I personally find announcements that confirm I have hit the control, alt,
windows, page up page down home and end keys helpful.

I can touch type but the position of these keys can vary on other devices
and keyboards that I use, so confirmation that I have hit the correct key is
helpful.

However I do not use the announce command setting simply because having the
arrow keys announced is so distracting, espedcially when trying to edit text
or correct typing mistakes or navigate on web pages or File Explorer.
Unlike the other command keys you tend to be using the arrow keys
consistently in pretty much every application you use. , Consequently the
command of arrow keys are one of the few key locations I normally never have
difficulty with so an option which does not provide this distraction would
be very good. I suspect that others will share my experience.

If alternatively someone could develop an addon which extends this
flexibility in capability I would install it in a heartbeat.

David Griffith
.





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Command Key Announcement - Possible Refinement

David Griffith
 

I appreciate that this may be a low priority request but I wonder if it would be possible to have a command key announcement option that does not use announcement for the arrow keys.

 

I personally find announcements that confirm I have hit the control, alt, windows, page up page down home and end keys helpful.

 

I can touch type but the position of these keys can vary on other devices and keyboards that I use, so confirmation that I have hit the correct key is helpful.

 

However I do not use the announce command setting  simply because having the arrow keys announced is so distracting, espedcially when trying to edit text or correct typing mistakes  or navigate on web pages or File Explorer.  Unlike the other command keys you tend to be using the arrow keys consistently in pretty much every application you use. , Consequently the command of arrow keys are one of the few key locations I normally never have difficulty with so an option which does not provide this distraction would be very good. I suspect that others will share my experience.

 

If alternatively someone could develop an addon which extends this flexibility in capability I would install it in a heartbeat.

 

David Griffith

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Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: NVDA missing verbosity

David Goldfield
 

Eric,

I have also experienced the issue with silence when I invoke the "save" dialog in Word. A way to get around this is that, after pressing ctrl-s, press the alt key to move focus to the ribbon. Press alt a second time to move focus from the ribbon back to the dialog. I encounter similar silence sometimes when first opening Word. NVDA says nothing but, when I press the alt key twice to force focus away from and then back to the window, NVDA reports that I'm in a blank document. I'm running Windows 10 Pro on an older machine with a dual core Athlon processor, 2.9 GHz. On a much faster laptop running Windows 7 I don't encounter this behavior and NVDA always reads the contents of these windows as expected.

          David Goldfield,
      Assistive Technology Specialist

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On 12/30/2016 8:32 AM, Eric Barrette wrote:

Hello,

I’ve encountered a couple of instances of strange quiet when working with NVDA.

1)      In MS word – once I hit control s, it is silent.  The save as dialog is appearing, but nothing is being said about it.  I have the latest NVDA and tried it on Word 2010 and 2016.  Sometimes I can get it to talk about the save as dialog by pressing escape and then control s a few more times.  Tried reverting back to default synthesizer with same results. Also occurs on a fresh windows 7/office 2016 install.

2)      I can’t get it to say “Enter” or “new line” when pressing enter all I get is silence. I tried looking at the punctuation options and turned line feed and carriage return to all and always, but no change.

 

Any help would be appreciated

 

Thanks

Eric



Re: NVDA missing verbosity

Eric Barrette
 

Yes, NVDA is still working, so I can tab around, but just annoying to have to press another key command to get it to read as it should

Surprised no one else is having this issue?

 

Thanks,

Eric

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2016 1:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA missing verbosity

 

If you open the save dialog, can you tab around and hear items?  Also, if a dialog isn't read for some reason, the command NVDA key (insert or numpad insert if you are using the default desktop layout) and the letter b will cause the screen to be read. 

 

In the case of a dialog, it will cause the dialog to be read.

 

Gene

Sent: Friday, December 30, 2016 7:32 AM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA missing verbosity

 

Hello,

I’ve encountered a couple of instances of strange quiet when working with NVDA.

1)      In MS word – once I hit control s, it is silent.  The save as dialog is appearing, but nothing is being said about it.  I have the latest NVDA and tried it on Word 2010 and 2016.  Sometimes I can get it to talk about the save as dialog by pressing escape and then control s a few more times.  Tried reverting back to default synthesizer with same results. Also occurs on a fresh windows 7/office 2016 install.

2)      I can’t get it to say “Enter” or “new line” when pressing enter all I get is silence. I tried looking at the punctuation options and turned line feed and carriage return to all and always, but no change.

 

Any help would be appreciated

 

Thanks

Eric


Re: NVDA missing verbosity

Gene
 

If you open the save dialog, can you tab around and hear items?  Also, if a dialog isn't read for some reason, the command NVDA key (insert or numpad insert if you are using the default desktop layout) and the letter b will cause the screen to be read. 
 
In the case of a dialog, it will cause the dialog to be read.
 
Gene

Sent: Friday, December 30, 2016 7:32 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA missing verbosity

Hello,

I’ve encountered a couple of instances of strange quiet when working with NVDA.

1)      In MS word – once I hit control s, it is silent.  The save as dialog is appearing, but nothing is being said about it.  I have the latest NVDA and tried it on Word 2010 and 2016.  Sometimes I can get it to talk about the save as dialog by pressing escape and then control s a few more times.  Tried reverting back to default synthesizer with same results. Also occurs on a fresh windows 7/office 2016 install.

2)      I can’t get it to say “Enter” or “new line” when pressing enter all I get is silence. I tried looking at the punctuation options and turned line feed and carriage return to all and always, but no change.

 

Any help would be appreciated

 

Thanks

Eric


Somewhat OT: Test Mode for Handy Tech BasicBraille

Rob
 

I have the manual for this device, but it's a pdf file and not very well organized.
How do you enter test mode on this unit? I need to clean its cells.


Re: Urgent Help required: NVDA and Outlook 2016

Jason White
 

Ryan Mann <rmann0581@gmail.com> wrote:
Did you hit Control Y to bring up the list of folders? After that, you
should be able to use your arrow keys to move around the folder list.

Also, typing Shift+F6 from the list of messages should take you to the folder list.


For StationPlaylist Studio users: Add-on 17.01 posted

 

Hi all.

 

For those using SPL Studio for broadcasting: add-on 17.01 is now available. You can grab it via add-on update (SPL Assistant, Control+Shift+U). Alternatively, visit the following page:

https://github.com/josephsl/stationPlaylist/releases/tag/17.01

 

This minor stable version provides enhancements and fixes for Cart Explorer, as well as slight performance improvements when switching to Studio from anywhere.


Re: NVDA missing verbosity

Roger Stewart
 

Can't help with the first question, but try hitting the key combo nvda key plus 4.  This will speak command keys on which includes the enter key so it will speak that when you use it.  Hope this is what you want but it will also say control, alt shift and the like so maybe too much verbosity?

Roger








On 12/30/2016 7:32 AM, Eric Barrette wrote:

Hello,

I’ve encountered a couple of instances of strange quiet when working with NVDA.

1)      In MS word – once I hit control s, it is silent.  The save as dialog is appearing, but nothing is being said about it.  I have the latest NVDA and tried it on Word 2010 and 2016.  Sometimes I can get it to talk about the save as dialog by pressing escape and then control s a few more times.  Tried reverting back to default synthesizer with same results. Also occurs on a fresh windows 7/office 2016 install.

2)      I can’t get it to say “Enter” or “new line” when pressing enter all I get is silence. I tried looking at the punctuation options and turned line feed and carriage return to all and always, but no change.

 

Any help would be appreciated

 

Thanks

Eric



NVDA missing verbosity

Eric Barrette
 

Hello,

I’ve encountered a couple of instances of strange quiet when working with NVDA.

1)      In MS word – once I hit control s, it is silent.  The save as dialog is appearing, but nothing is being said about it.  I have the latest NVDA and tried it on Word 2010 and 2016.  Sometimes I can get it to talk about the save as dialog by pressing escape and then control s a few more times.  Tried reverting back to default synthesizer with same results. Also occurs on a fresh windows 7/office 2016 install.

2)      I can’t get it to say “Enter” or “new line” when pressing enter all I get is silence. I tried looking at the punctuation options and turned line feed and carriage return to all and always, but no change.

 

Any help would be appreciated

 

Thanks

Eric


Re: Urgent Help required: NVDA and Outlook 2016

Ketan Kothari
 

Hi,

Thank you Brian for help. One more question please, I want to transfer all
my mails from Inbox to archive folder. When I select all messages and go to
move to item it say move folder. Earlier, I could move only messages
easily. Any help please?

Ketan

On 12/30/16, Ryan Mann <rmann0581@gmail.com> wrote:
Did you hit Control Y to bring up the list of folders? After that, you
should be able to use your arrow keys to move around the folder list.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 30, 2016, at 2:07 AM, Ketan Kothari <muktaketan@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi friends,

I am using NVDA 2016.4 with Windows 10 and Office 365. I am unable to
access any other folder that that of inbox in Outlook 2016. I am on
exchange mail and want to see other folders. Earlier, this was quite
easy but now the only thing I get to hear is “current mailbox”. I
wonder what settings need to be adjusted.

Please help as this is urgent.

With best wishes,

Ketan

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Re: focus on window with nvda

 

Hi,

Rendering in browse mode: ability to use browse mode to navigate a website.

As for taking to developers: I think this forum isn’t suited for this kind of thing. There is a dedicated forum for NVDA development that is geekier than this, and some members of that forum are web developers so they can answer your questions.

More info about this forum can be found at:

https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nvda-devel

I highly recommend asking about this over there and seek advice from not only NVDA developers, but also from web accessibility experts and consultants in hopes that you can learn more about why coding for web accessibility matters in your project (first rule of web accessibility: don’t assume you have best solutions for everybody, because more often than not, you can learn more about possibly better ones out there; second rule: don’t be carried away into using Accessible Rich Internet Applications (ARIA) throughout your site for everything, you can make your site accessible without that; ARIA is there for enhanced experience).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of greg@...
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2016 2:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] focus on window with nvda

 

Joseph,

 

When you say it "renders" in browse mode.....does NVDA read the captions in a series, or are you able to click through them one by one and then select one using the enter key?  I don't have Edge and after updating NVDA and using NVDA plus Space to activate Browse Mode, I am still only to get movement through the thumbnail panel by clicking with mouse once in panel and then using Page Up / Page Down.  But even then, NVDA does not announce Captions for specific scenes (in Chrome and Firefox.)  If I use mouse, specific scene Captions will be announce by NVDA upon mouseover.  This version puts Narration over top of everything:  http://www.photographyoptions.net/images/laurel/tour1.html.  Is narration done over top of NVDA distracting....or a nuisance?
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www.photographyoptions.com

Greg@...

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Re: Urgent Help required: NVDA and Outlook 2016

Ryan Mann <rmann0581@...>
 

Did you hit Control Y to bring up the list of folders? After that, you should be able to use your arrow keys to move around the folder list.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 30, 2016, at 2:07 AM, Ketan Kothari <muktaketan@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi friends,

I am using NVDA 2016.4 with Windows 10 and Office 365. I am unable to
access any other folder that that of inbox in Outlook 2016. I am on
exchange mail and want to see other folders. Earlier, this was quite
easy but now the only thing I get to hear is “current mailbox”. I
wonder what settings need to be adjusted.

Please help as this is urgent.

With best wishes,

Ketan

--
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Phone: [r] 24223281,
Cell: 9987550614
MSN ID: muktaketan@hotmail.com
Skype ID: Ketan3333



Pop3 Yahoo email users and their latest email to customers

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I and several other people have email addresses set up in Yahoo, and have been collecting them for years from the outlook express, live mail, Thunderbird etc, clients.
Those of you who are with them will know they are suggesting that very soon you will be required to change passwords. Now ignoring for a moment that most of us probably forgot them and assume the email client will remember them, they seem to be aiming their help at mobile phone users, which allows them to use some other form of identity check. they then say that if you are not using a yahoo program to access the email, presumably their webmail or one of their clients, you have to set up an application password which you may need to enter twice.

Has anyone actually tried the pc email client method which is seemingly well hidden or not on their help area?
If its accessible then fine, but this lark of entering it twice seems to be designed to get people to only use their software or webmail which at best is laborious to use for us nvda users and at worst won't work at all.
If anyone has some advice how to carry on using older email clients then it would be great. It may well impact other screenreader users, I do not know, all I do know is that following the link in the email got me no wiser at all and I told them so in the response message section, which knowing Yahoo nobody will ever read.

Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
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briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.


Re: Libre office and NVDA

 

hello.
i am having libreoffice for more than two years.
i am not familiar with the tables and even i deactivated announcement
of reading tables in nvda!
but one time i tried it and nvda did not read for me the content of table.
specially when i wanted to select it!
also sayall command does not work with libreoffice.
and i realy need the tutorial in using nvda with libreoffice!
when you finish your article, could you please post it here?
thanks so much and God bless you.
happy new year for you!

On 12/29/16, The Gamages <james.gamage@btinternet.com> wrote:
Hello,

My apologies if this is not the correct address for this subject.



I am using the latest NVDA and Libre office Writer.



I am in the process of recording articles about libre office writer using
NVDA as screen reader for the magazine called “Talking Computers”,

Mostly, NVDA does a good job with some work arounds in some areas, Iamb
about to cover the subject of tables and have encountered an anomaly with
NVDA announcing rows incorrectly under certain conditions. If more than one

line is required in a cell, whether allowing the line to wrap or if forced
to do so by pressing enter, NVDA announces the next row as if the extra line

or lines in the previous cell are rows, so, if, for instance, I start in row

one and type two lines in this cell, the next row down is announced as row
three, even though there are only two rows in the table.

If I now delete this row which is being announced as row three and re insert

it, it will read correctly as row two.

It seems that NVDA is recognising extra lines in a cell as rows, so the
actual row below is announced incorrectly.

This only happens if more than one row is present in the original table, if

I start with only one row, then pressing tab at the end of the table will
create another row as normal and it announces correctly as row two.



Incidentally, the same thing happens if I start at any row In a table, not
just the first one.



I have tried this with Jaws and this announces cells as A1, A2 etc as if it

was a spread sheet, but it does indicate the rows correctly even with
multiple lines in a cell.



Once again, my apologies if this is not the correct place for this message,

if that is the case could you please direct me to the correct address, thank

you very much.



Best Regards, Jim.



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Re: focus on window with nvda

greg@...
 

Joseph,


When you say it "renders" in browse mode.....does NVDA read the captions in a series, or are you able to click through them one by one and then select one using the enter key?  I don't have Edge and after updating NVDA and using NVDA plus Space to activate Browse Mode, I am still only to get movement through the thumbnail panel by clicking with mouse once in panel and then using Page Up / Page Down.  But even then, NVDA does not announce Captions for specific scenes (in Chrome and Firefox.)  If I use mouse, specific scene Captions will be announce by NVDA upon mouseover.  This version puts Narration over top of everything:  http://www.photographyoptions.net/images/laurel/tour1.html.  Is narration done over top of NVDA distracting....or a nuisance?
--
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www.photographyoptions.com

Greg@...

865-774-9755


Re: focus on window with nvda

greg@...
 

Travis,

This project link: http://www.photographyoptions.net/images/laurel/tour1.html adds a narration to the start of the tour (the narration is for demonstration and is unpolished.)  For me, In IE 11, NVDA immediately begins serially to read the scene caption names while my narration plays over top.  Since there could be other elements in the project like youtube videos in I frames that are initiated by "clicking" within specific scenes, my first instinct is to go with the listing of the scene names where the existence of a youtube video is announced by NVDA in specific scene captions.  Then, if scenes with youtube I frames could be isolated and clickable, a hot key could be developed to open or close the youtube video.  These hot keys could be announced in the narration.

I wonder.....is narration done over top of NVDA a nuisance distraction or would it be of some use (versus creating a button that opens a 2nd window with standalone narration?)

Unfortunately, even after updating NVDA to latest version on 2 Windows 7 machines, I am not getting NVDA to announce the scene names in browse mode in Chrome or Firefox.  Using NVDA plus Space will allow me to move scene to scene by using Page Up, Page Down only if I click once with mouse in thumbnail panel.  But even then, NVDA does not read the Captions.  If I use mouse.....and mouseover the captions, NVDA speaks them. 

I am starting to realize that I need to work with NVDA developers to find out what is possible and what is not regarding keystroke navigation within my projects.  But, since there are a variety of different elements and tooltips on the screen that NVDA is not reading....my goal in this Forum is to communicate the functionality available in the tours, and then prioritize how to craft and optimize an accessible version of each project. 

For right now though, any hints you can give about specific tricks you are using to get NVDA to speak the captions one by one, where you can select individual captions with the enter key would be appreciated.


Urgent Help required: NVDA and Outlook 2016

Ketan Kothari
 

Hi friends,

I am using NVDA 2016.4 with Windows 10 and Office 365. I am unable to
access any other folder that that of inbox in Outlook 2016. I am on
exchange mail and want to see other folders. Earlier, this was quite
easy but now the only thing I get to hear is “current mailbox”. I
wonder what settings need to be adjusted.

Please help as this is urgent.

With best wishes,

Ketan

--
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Phone: [r] 24223281,
Cell: 9987550614
MSN ID: muktaketan@hotmail.com
Skype ID: Ketan3333


Re: Reading messages in Microsoft Outlook 2016 with NVDA

Gene
 

I would think using another screen-reader wouldn't be necessary.  You can probably cause NVDA to read the document in browse mode by simply pressing alt one time to move to the ribbons and alt once again to return to the main window.  it shouldn't matter how you leave the document window and return.  Pressing alt twice should be a minor enough inconvenience that its negligible or almost so.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 2:17 PM
Subject: [nvda] Reading messages in Microsoft Outlook 2016 with NVDA

I've just tested Microsoft Outlook 2016 (the desktop version of Outlook
supplied with Office365, including the latest November update), with NVDA and
noticed the following problem. If I press enter to open a message from the
message list, NVDA is sometimes unable to read the contents until I move focus
out of the message body then move focus back into it, at which point it enters
browse mode as intended.

This isn't a serious issue for me as I can use another screen reader with
Outlook, but I'm reporting it nevertheless to help the community. I can
generate a log file if needed.

Tested with NVDA 2016.4, Windows 10 Pro (x64), 32-bit installation of
Microsoft Office.




Reading messages in Microsoft Outlook 2016 with NVDA

Jason White
 

I've just tested Microsoft Outlook 2016 (the desktop version of Outlook
supplied with Office365, including the latest November update), with NVDA and
noticed the following problem. If I press enter to open a message from the
message list, NVDA is sometimes unable to read the contents until I move focus
out of the message body then move focus back into it, at which point it enters
browse mode as intended.

This isn't a serious issue for me as I can use another screen reader with
Outlook, but I'm reporting it nevertheless to help the community. I can
generate a log file if needed.

Tested with NVDA 2016.4, Windows 10 Pro (x64), 32-bit installation of
Microsoft Office.