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Re: Libre office and NVDA

 

i also tried openoffice,
it hangs for me with nvda.
when i press control+o to open a file, openoffice becomes unresponsive.
when i want to use openoffice, nvda becomes completely silent and i
cant do anything.
i can only restart nvda again with its shortcut or i can use task
manager to end process of nvda and restart it again.
could someone guide me please?

On 1/1/17, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm afraid I have to disagree. I just installed libre office and it's
working great for me.




On 12/31/2016 3:56 AM, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io wrote:

I am very sorry to say, but LibreOffice and NVDA are not compatible
software.

There are many messages about these problems in this mailing list.



Em 29/12/2016 14:48, The Gamages escreveu:

Hello,

My apologies if this is not the correct address for this subject.

I am using the latest NVDA and Libre office Writer.

I am in the process of recording articles about libre office writer
using NVDA as screen reader for the magazine called “Talking Computers”,

Mostly, NVDA does a good job with some work arounds in some areas,
Iamb about to cover the subject of tables and have encountered an
anomaly with NVDA announcing rows incorrectly under certain
conditions. If more than one line is required in a cell, whether
allowing the line to wrap or if forced to do so by pressing enter,
NVDA announces the next row as if the extra line or lines in the
previous cell are rows, so, if, for instance, I start in row one and
type two lines in this cell, the next row down is announced as row
three, even though there are only two rows in the table.

If I now delete this row which is being announced as row three and re
insert it, it will read correctly as row two.

It seems that NVDA is recognising extra lines in a cell as rows, so
the actual row below is announced incorrectly.

This only happens if more than one row is present in the original
table, if I start with only one row, then pressing tab at the end of
the table will create another row as normal and it announces
correctly as row two.

Incidentally, the same thing happens if I start at any row In a
table, not just the first one.

I have tried this with Jaws and this announces cells as A1, A2 etc as
if it was a spread sheet, but it does indicate the rows correctly
even with multiple lines in a cell.

Once again, my apologies if this is not the correct place for this
message, if that is the case could you please direct me to the
correct address, thank you very much.

Best Regards, Jim.
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Re: Happy New Year!

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Happy New Year to you and everyone on the list. 2017 hasn't arrived here yet. I'm just having a quiet night here at home.




On 12/31/2016 5:35 PM, Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:
Happy New Year NVDA users! I hope you all had a great time celebrating the arrival of 2017 with your friends and/or family. I wish you the very best throughout 2017, may 2017 be a successful year for NVDA and NV Access!


Happy New Year!

 

Happy New Year NVDA users! I hope you all had a great time celebrating the arrival of 2017 with your friends and/or family. I wish you the very best throughout 2017, may 2017 be a successful year for NVDA and NV Access!


Re: showing read and replied in thunderbird

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi Rosemarie


This i just copied from off my accessible email client mozilla thunder
bird page.

The directions are what to do below

How to show or hide columns in your Mozilla Thunderbird email header
When you first download a copy of Mozilla Thunderbird and set it up,
your messages will go to your inbox. The information being read out will
be in the column headers (for example the time, subject, etcetera).
These will be set to a default, which is read out by NVDA. To add in
extra columns or hide them, locate your inbox, then tab into it. Here is
where your messages are and you could arrow up and down these messages.
If you choose the first message, make sure your review cursor is set to
simple review mode. This menu can be found under the NVDA preferences
section called review cursor menu. This box will need to be checked.
Next, you will need to go into object navigation mode in NVDA. Use the
NVDA key + the number 1 on the numeric keypad to do this.
Next, you will need to use the NVDA key + the number 4 on the numeric
keypad. You will need to do this until you hear NVDA say select columns
to display button. When you hear NVDA say this, press the NVDA key + the
Enter key on the numeric keypad. A menu will drop down and here you can
arrow down and up the list. The columns that are checked are the ones
you hear in the column header being read out. The ones that are not
checked are not read out. If unchecked, and you want it to be read out,
press the Enter key on it to check it. If it is checked and you do not
want it to be read out, press the Enter key on it to uncheck it. The
above process will need to be done each time for each column you want to
show or hide.
So, if I wanted NVDA to tell me when I have read emails, have unread
emails, attachments, or the status of an email, I would make sure these
are checked. If the status one is done as well, it will tell you when
they are forwarded, replied to and so on.

More information on dragging and dropping those columns can be found
just under it on that page at
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/accessible%20email%20client%20mozilla%20thunderbird.html
I think there is a audio tutorial there to.

Hope it helps.

gene nz

On 1/01/2017 12:15 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,


I forgot how to show that messages are read and replied to in
thunderbird. I tried NVDA key and numpad 1 and NVDA 4 but forgot what
else to do.


Thanks for your help in advance.


Rosemarie





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showing read and replied in thunderbird

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, everyone,


I forgot how to show that messages are read and replied to in thunderbird. I tried NVDA key and numpad 1 and NVDA 4 but forgot what else to do.


Thanks for your help in advance.


Rosemarie


Weather Plus update

Adriano Barbieri
 

Hi to every one,
 
Version 4.2.4 31.12.2016
* Fixed a minor bug when the connection is not active.
 
Good end of the year and Happy new year!
Adriano
 


Re: Libre office and NVDA

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I'm afraid I have to disagree. I just installed libre office and it's working great for me.




On 12/31/2016 3:56 AM, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io wrote:

I am very sorry to say, but LibreOffice and NVDA are not compatible software.

There are many messages about these problems in this mailing list.



Em 29/12/2016 14:48, The Gamages escreveu:

Hello,

My apologies if this is not the correct address for this subject.

 

I am using the latest NVDA and Libre office Writer.

 

I am in the process of recording articles about libre office writer using NVDA as screen reader for the magazine called “Talking Computers”, 

Mostly, NVDA does a good job with some work arounds in  some areas, Iamb about to  cover the subject of tables and have encountered an anomaly with NVDA announcing rows incorrectly under certain conditions. If more than one line is required in a cell, whether allowing the line to wrap or if forced to do so by pressing enter, NVDA announces the next row as if the extra line or lines in the previous cell are rows, so, if, for instance, I start in row one and type two lines in this cell, the next row down is announced as row three, even though there are only two rows in the table.

If I now delete this row which is being announced as row three and re insert it, it will read correctly as row two.

It seems that NVDA is recognising extra lines in a cell as rows, so the actual row below is announced incorrectly.

This only happens if more than one row is present in the original table, if I start with only one row, then pressing tab at the end of the table will create another row as normal and it announces correctly as row two.

 

Incidentally, the same thing happens if I start at any row In a table, not just the first one.

 

I have tried this with Jaws and this announces cells as A1, A2 etc as if it was a spread sheet, but it does indicate the rows correctly even with multiple lines in a cell.

 

Once again, my apologies if this is not the correct place for this message, if that is the case could you please direct me to the correct address, thank you very much.

 

Best Regards, Jim.

 

 



Re: Libre office and NVDA

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Jim,


I just installed libre office and played with it a little bit and it works really great on windows 10. I haven't tried the spread sheet yet but I'll keep playing with it.


Rosemarie

On 12/31/2016 6:33 AM, The Gamages wrote:
Hello,
The version I have on my Windows 10 computer is 5.2.4



Best Regards, Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 12:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Libre office and NVDA

jim,
whats the best and the most accessible version of libreoffice until now?

On 12/31/16, The Gamages <james.gamage@btinternet.com> wrote:
Hello,

I have to disagree with you on this point, I have done articles in MP3
format for Talking computers over the last year and , so far, I have
had
little trouble using NVDA, in the few instances that I have
encountered
where NVDA had trouble, there was a work around, there is also a way
around

the latest issue with tables. I have probably posted my message in the
wrong

place, I am really addressing it to the developers of NVDA as an issue
which

may be resolved at some point.
I hope people are not put off using the Libre office program by your
remarks, it’s a free program which can be most useful to those with
limited

resorces.
The main thing is to have NVDA running while installing Libre office,
this
then uses the correct settings for accessability.

Anyone who wants to judge for themselves can look at my articles on
the
Talking computers website found at,
talking-computers.org.uk
Thanks for listening.


Best Regards, Jim.

From: Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 11:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Libre office and NVDA

I am very sorry to say, but LibreOffice and NVDA are not compatible
software.

There are many messages about these problems in this mailing list.





Em 29/12/2016 14:48, The Gamages escreveu:

Hello,

My apologies if this is not the correct address for this subject.



I am using the latest NVDA and Libre office Writer.



I am in the process of recording articles about libre office writer
using

NVDA as screen reader for the magazine called “Talking Computers”,

Mostly, NVDA does a good job with some work arounds in some areas,
Iamb
about to cover the subject of tables and have encountered an anomaly
with
NVDA announcing rows incorrectly under certain conditions. If more
than one

line is required in a cell, whether allowing the line to wrap or if
forced
to do so by pressing enter, NVDA announces the next row as if the
extra line

or lines in the previous cell are rows, so, if, for instance, I start
in row

one and type two lines in this cell, the next row down is announced as
row
three, even though there are only two rows in the table.

If I now delete this row which is being announced as row three and
re
insert it, it will read correctly as row two.

It seems that NVDA is recognising extra lines in a cell as rows, so
the
actual row below is announced incorrectly.

This only happens if more than one row is present in the original
table,
if I start with only one row, then pressing tab at the end of the
table will

create another row as normal and it announces correctly as row two.



Incidentally, the same thing happens if I start at any row In a
table, not

just the first one.



I have tried this with Jaws and this announces cells as A1, A2 etc
as if
it was a spread sheet, but it does indicate the rows correctly even
with
multiple lines in a cell.



Once again, my apologies if this is not the correct place for this
message, if that is the case could you please direct me to the correct
address, thank you very much.



Best Regards, Jim.








Re: Libre office and NVDA

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Is there a way to read an entire document besides control down-arrow to read paragraphs?

On 12/31/2016 11:51 AM, Angelo Sonnesso wrote:
I haven't tried this but I do use Open Office with NVDA with no problems.
Is there an advantage using Libre Office?
By the way I am running it on an HP Stream tablet under Windows 10.



73 N2DYN Angelo

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mallard
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 10:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Libre office and NVDA

Whaaaaaaaaat? No way!!! I've been using Libre Office and NVDA for at least three years, and they're absolutely compatible! There might be some slight problems every now and then, but it's crazy to say they're not compatible!!!

For goodness sake, don't make the same mistake I used to make... When I was unable to have something work the way I expected, I started screaming that the programme was not accessible... Then I realised it was me... (big smile).

Please, reconsider your statement carefully; do some more experimenting, and be happy with your Libere Office!

Ollie





Il 31/12/2016 12:56, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io ha scritto:
I am very sorry to say, but LibreOffice and NVDA are not compatible
software.

There are many messages about these problems in this mailing list.



Em 29/12/2016 14:48, The Gamages escreveu:
Hello,

My apologies if this is not the correct address for this subject.

I am using the latest NVDA and Libre office Writer.

I am in the process of recording articles about libre office writer
using NVDA as screen reader for the magazine called “Talking
Computers”,

Mostly, NVDA does a good job with some work arounds in some areas,
Iamb about to cover the subject of tables and have encountered an
anomaly with NVDA announcing rows incorrectly under certain
conditions. If more than one line is required in a cell, whether
allowing the line to wrap or if forced to do so by pressing enter,
NVDA announces the next row as if the extra line or lines in the
previous cell are rows, so, if, for instance, I start in row one and
type two lines in this cell, the next row down is announced as row
three, even though there are only two rows in the table.

If I now delete this row which is being announced as row three and re
insert it, it will read correctly as row two.

It seems that NVDA is recognising extra lines in a cell as rows, so
the actual row below is announced incorrectly.

This only happens if more than one row is present in the original
table, if I start with only one row, then pressing tab at the end of
the table will create another row as normal and it announces
correctly as row two.

Incidentally, the same thing happens if I start at any row In a
table, not just the first one.

I have tried this with Jaws and this announces cells as A1, A2 etc as
if it was a spread sheet, but it does indicate the rows correctly
even with multiple lines in a cell.

Once again, my apologies if this is not the correct place for this
message, if that is the case could you please direct me to the
correct address, thank you very much.

Best Regards, Jim.





Re: Libre office and NVDA

john poole
 

Hi All,

Jim Gamage produces very good tutorials on various programs for pc's,he's
excellent!
Whatsmore, they are free.
Thanks for everything Jim,

John.


Re: Libre office and NVDA

Angelo Sonnesso
 

I haven't tried this but I do use Open Office with NVDA with no problems.
Is there an advantage using Libre Office?
By the way I am running it on an HP Stream tablet under Windows 10.



73 N2DYN Angelo

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mallard
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 10:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Libre office and NVDA

Whaaaaaaaaat? No way!!! I've been using Libre Office and NVDA for at least three years, and they're absolutely compatible! There might be some slight problems every now and then, but it's crazy to say they're not compatible!!!

For goodness sake, don't make the same mistake I used to make... When I was unable to have something work the way I expected, I started screaming that the programme was not accessible... Then I realised it was me... (big smile).

Please, reconsider your statement carefully; do some more experimenting, and be happy with your Libere Office!

Ollie





Il 31/12/2016 12:56, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io ha scritto:

I am very sorry to say, but LibreOffice and NVDA are not compatible
software.

There are many messages about these problems in this mailing list.



Em 29/12/2016 14:48, The Gamages escreveu:

Hello,

My apologies if this is not the correct address for this subject.

I am using the latest NVDA and Libre office Writer.

I am in the process of recording articles about libre office writer
using NVDA as screen reader for the magazine called “Talking
Computers”,

Mostly, NVDA does a good job with some work arounds in some areas,
Iamb about to cover the subject of tables and have encountered an
anomaly with NVDA announcing rows incorrectly under certain
conditions. If more than one line is required in a cell, whether
allowing the line to wrap or if forced to do so by pressing enter,
NVDA announces the next row as if the extra line or lines in the
previous cell are rows, so, if, for instance, I start in row one and
type two lines in this cell, the next row down is announced as row
three, even though there are only two rows in the table.

If I now delete this row which is being announced as row three and re
insert it, it will read correctly as row two.

It seems that NVDA is recognising extra lines in a cell as rows, so
the actual row below is announced incorrectly.

This only happens if more than one row is present in the original
table, if I start with only one row, then pressing tab at the end of
the table will create another row as normal and it announces
correctly as row two.

Incidentally, the same thing happens if I start at any row In a
table, not just the first one.

I have tried this with Jaws and this announces cells as A1, A2 etc as
if it was a spread sheet, but it does indicate the rows correctly
even with multiple lines in a cell.

Once again, my apologies if this is not the correct place for this
message, if that is the case could you please direct me to the
correct address, thank you very much.

Best Regards, Jim.


Re: focus on window with nvda

 

Hi Greg,

Testing the page with Edge, IE and Firefox gave me a bit of a disappointing result, in that:

·        Could not navigate with IE (perhaps I have opened too many tabs).

·        Firefox says “clickable”.

·        Edge did recognize graphics but could not be interacted with.

Based on what I’ve seen so far, it appears you should ask K R Pano colleagues that they need to do some serious investigations into proper web accessibility guidelines (looking of W3C and other consortiums, asking web accessibility experts and so on).

If you don’t mind, I’d like to request feedback from folks I know who are web accessibility professionals so they can contact you and K R Pano (mind if I do it over Twitter?). A users community could provide things that users are used to (mostly limited information and advice), and in case of your website, I think a more proper venue would be talking to developers and consultants.

To Derek Riemer and other web accessibility professionals and watchers: I’d like to request that you contact Greg directly and let him know best examples and what he can tell KR Pano what to do better in terms of accessibility.

Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of greg@...
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 1:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] focus on window with nvda

 

Joseph,

I am a virtual tour photographer that specializes in creating panoramic imagery.  I use an XML based development platform called KRPano (spoken K R Pano)  or www.krpano.com to create my virtual tours.  This platform is an amazing solution that optimizes just about any type of rich media that comes to the fore for viewing accross the ever increasing numbers of devices, operating systems, and browsers.   Unfortunately, KRPano projects do not work well from a web accessibility standpoint.  I know this because I am only a novice at working with the XML code necessary to create the projects and am trying to enlist the services of a professional KRPano programmer to make my projects more web accessible.  He suggested that I start doing some research within the NVDA Community.  

Now I need to say thank you very much for your referral to the NVDA Developers Forum.  I am now registered there.  But, in light of your comment about ARIA guidelines, I thought it might be useful to give a more detailed description of what I think my projects are designed to achieve so that I can get some general feedback from NVDA end users about how my type of project could be optimized for them. 

http://www.photographyoptions.net/images/cumberland/tour.html is my newest, most complex project.  It is a wayfinding type of virtual tour that showcases the recreation areas and campgrounds dotted around Lake Cumberland near Somerset, KY USA.  The project opens with an interactive map that has clickable push pins which enable the viewer to jump to sub maps, of specific recreation areas.  These, in turn, have push pins to jump to scenes showing specific, campsites, shower houses, playground, boat ramps, etc.  The project also has a thumbnail panel at the bottom which presents the full array of close to 200 panoramic scenes, flat scenes, and maps in linear fashion.  These "thumbnails" all have captions....which may be the only thing that you are able to see using NVDA in browse mode.  Below the thumbnail panel is a tool bar which gives some controls for opening up a Google Maps window overlay with push pins that enable the viewer to see a  google map or google satellite picture with street names showing the location of each recreation area.  Clicking the push pins will close the Google Map and jump to the Interactive sub map for a given recreation area. 

At the initial scene for Mill Creek Mill, there is a youtube Iframe with a 12 minute interpretive video presentation on the History and Operation of Mill Creek Mill.  At the Interactive Map for Cumberland Point Recreation Area, there is a youtube Iframe with 4 minute video on the US Civil War Battle off Mill Creek Mill which took place in that vicinity.  If an NVDA end users could find the location of the Iframes (upper right quadrant of screen,) they could start the videos, and continue to jump around the tour using thumbnails or interactive maps.  There is a button on the skin of the tour to close the videos.  There is also a button on the skin to return to the start of the tour (the overall interactive lake map.) 

This type of project is designed to allow the end user to quickly explore all of the recreation areas dotted across a large area in order to decide where they want to camp, have a picnic, fish, launch their boat, etc. It occurs to me however, that an NVDA end user might like to prioritize different information from the project.  Before I present myself in the NVDA delelopers forum, I hope to get a few general opinons about the best type of accessibility optimization for this type of project for an NVDA end user.  Thank you for your contined attention.

Cheers and Happy New Year,

Greg


--
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www.photographyoptions.com

Greg@...

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Re: Libre office and NVDA

Mallard
 

Whaaaaaaaaat? No way!!! I've been using Libre Office and NVDA for at least three years, and they're absolutely compatible! There might be some slight problems every now and then, but it's crazy to say they're not compatible!!!

For goodness sake, don't make the same mistake I used to make... When I was unable to have something work the way I expected, I started screaming that the programme was not accessible... Then I realised it was me... (big smile).

Please, reconsider your statement carefully; do some more experimenting, and be happy with your Libere Office!

Ollie

Il 31/12/2016 12:56, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io ha scritto:

I am very sorry to say, but LibreOffice and NVDA are not compatible software.

There are many messages about these problems in this mailing list.



Em 29/12/2016 14:48, The Gamages escreveu:

Hello,

My apologies if this is not the correct address for this subject.

I am using the latest NVDA and Libre office Writer.

I am in the process of recording articles about libre office writer using NVDA as screen reader for the magazine called “Talking Computers”,

Mostly, NVDA does a good job with some work arounds in some areas, Iamb about to cover the subject of tables and have encountered an anomaly with NVDA announcing rows incorrectly under certain conditions. If more than one line is required in a cell, whether allowing the line to wrap or if forced to do so by pressing enter, NVDA announces the next row as if the extra line or lines in the previous cell are rows, so, if, for instance, I start in row one and type two lines in this cell, the next row down is announced as row three, even though there are only two rows in the table.

If I now delete this row which is being announced as row three and re insert it, it will read correctly as row two.

It seems that NVDA is recognising extra lines in a cell as rows, so the actual row below is announced incorrectly.

This only happens if more than one row is present in the original table, if I start with only one row, then pressing tab at the end of the table will create another row as normal and it announces correctly as row two.

Incidentally, the same thing happens if I start at any row In a table, not just the first one.

I have tried this with Jaws and this announces cells as A1, A2 etc as if it was a spread sheet, but it does indicate the rows correctly even with multiple lines in a cell.

Once again, my apologies if this is not the correct place for this message, if that is the case could you please direct me to the correct address, thank you very much.

Best Regards, Jim.


Re: Libre office and NVDA

The Gamages
 

Hello,
The version I have on my Windows 10 computer is 5.2.4



Best Regards, Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 12:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Libre office and NVDA

jim,
whats the best and the most accessible version of libreoffice until now?

On 12/31/16, The Gamages <james.gamage@btinternet.com> wrote:
Hello,

I have to disagree with you on this point, I have done articles in MP3
format for Talking computers over the last year and , so far, I have
had
little trouble using NVDA, in the few instances that I have
encountered
where NVDA had trouble, there was a work around, there is also a way
around

the latest issue with tables. I have probably posted my message in the
wrong

place, I am really addressing it to the developers of NVDA as an issue
which

may be resolved at some point.
I hope people are not put off using the Libre office program by your
remarks, it’s a free program which can be most useful to those with
limited

resorces.
The main thing is to have NVDA running while installing Libre office,
this
then uses the correct settings for accessability.

Anyone who wants to judge for themselves can look at my articles on
the
Talking computers website found at,
talking-computers.org.uk
Thanks for listening.


Best Regards, Jim.

From: Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 11:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Libre office and NVDA

I am very sorry to say, but LibreOffice and NVDA are not compatible
software.

There are many messages about these problems in this mailing list.





Em 29/12/2016 14:48, The Gamages escreveu:

Hello,

My apologies if this is not the correct address for this subject.



I am using the latest NVDA and Libre office Writer.



I am in the process of recording articles about libre office writer
using

NVDA as screen reader for the magazine called “Talking Computers”,

Mostly, NVDA does a good job with some work arounds in some areas,
Iamb
about to cover the subject of tables and have encountered an anomaly
with
NVDA announcing rows incorrectly under certain conditions. If more
than one

line is required in a cell, whether allowing the line to wrap or if
forced
to do so by pressing enter, NVDA announces the next row as if the
extra line

or lines in the previous cell are rows, so, if, for instance, I start
in row

one and type two lines in this cell, the next row down is announced as
row
three, even though there are only two rows in the table.

If I now delete this row which is being announced as row three and
re
insert it, it will read correctly as row two.

It seems that NVDA is recognising extra lines in a cell as rows, so
the
actual row below is announced incorrectly.

This only happens if more than one row is present in the original
table,
if I start with only one row, then pressing tab at the end of the
table will

create another row as normal and it announces correctly as row two.



Incidentally, the same thing happens if I start at any row In a
table, not

just the first one.



I have tried this with Jaws and this announces cells as A1, A2 etc
as if
it was a spread sheet, but it does indicate the rows correctly even
with
multiple lines in a cell.



Once again, my apologies if this is not the correct place for this
message, if that is the case could you please direct me to the correct
address, thank you very much.



Best Regards, Jim.








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Re: Command Key Announcement - Possible Refinement

 

thanks gene for your guide again.

On 12/31/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I doubt what is being discussed is input help.

Presumably, an experienced user such as Brian knows about that and it's
unlikely it would turn on itself or be accidentally turned on, especially
more than once.

If Windows Explorer crashes, many keys won't do anything but, as I recall,
you can still open the task manager. I just checked and, using XP, you can.
You can then use the new task create in the file menu to run explorer.exe
and resume normal operation.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 6:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Command Key Announcement - Possible Refinement


yes.
it does not need the restart of computer.

On 12/31/16, Jacob Kruger <jacob@blindza.co.za> wrote:
Training mode?


NVDA key + 1 will turn this on/off, but, not sure how it could get
turned on by itself?


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-12-31 12:25, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
This reminded me of a situation I got nvda into the other day that I
could not get back out of. it started up with every key and key
combination reading its name etc, but none of the keys actually did
anything, making getting out impossible. I ended up having to do a
power button shut down. this has occurred a couple of times in various
versions of nvda now.
Its hard to pin down as looking at the log gives me no clues other
than saying what was spoken and everything about the start up looks
normal.
Luckily the reboot of the machine started OK, and it kind of made me
wonder whether it might in fact be windows Explorer which was doing
it. We all know that it is prone to give that explorer has stopped
working message from time to time and then restart, but in this case
if it was not working from the start perhaps no keys going to windows
would work either.

Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "nasrin khaksar"
<nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Command Key Announcement - Possible Refinement


hi joseph.
i agree with david and i also wish that can select between the command
keys, which one is announced by nvda.
also i wish this option in nvda preferences menu!
when i use others computer or laptops.

On 12/31/16, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I'll forward David's suggestion to the add-ons community in hopes
that we
can get an add-on going (if folks show interest).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Andre
Fisher
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2016 4:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Command Key Announcement - Possible Refinement

I agree, and due to NV Access' stand on the matter, think that an
add-on
would be the way to go. I personally would install such an add-on.

On 12/30/16, David Griffith <daj.griffith@gmail.com> wrote:
I appreciate that this may be a low priority request but I wonder if
it would be possible to have a command key announcement option that
does not use announcement for the arrow keys.

I personally find announcements that confirm I have hit the control,
alt, windows, page up page down home and end keys helpful.

I can touch type but the position of these keys can vary on other
devices and keyboards that I use, so confirmation that I have hit the
correct key is helpful.

However I do not use the announce command setting simply because
having the arrow keys announced is so distracting, espedcially when
trying to edit text or correct typing mistakes or navigate on web
pages
or File Explorer.
Unlike the other command keys you tend to be using the arrow keys
consistently in pretty much every application you use. , Consequently
the command of arrow keys are one of the few key locations I normally
never have difficulty with so an option which does not provide this
distraction would be very good. I suspect that others will share my
experience.

If alternatively someone could develop an addon which extends this
flexibility in capability I would install it in a heartbeat.

David Griffith
.





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in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: Command Key Announcement - Possible Refinement

Gene
 

I doubt what is being discussed is input help.
 
Presumably, an experienced user such as Brian knows about that and it's unlikely it would turn on itself or be accidentally turned on, especially more than once. 
 
If Windows Explorer crashes, many keys won't do anything but, as I recall, you can still open the task manager.  I just checked and, using XP, you can.  You can then use the new task create in the file menu to run explorer.exe and resume normal operation.   
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 6:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Command Key Announcement - Possible Refinement

yes.
it does not need the restart of computer.

On 12/31/16, Jacob Kruger <jacob@...> wrote:
> Training mode?
>
>
> NVDA key + 1 will turn this on/off, but, not sure how it could get
> turned on by itself?
>
>
> Stay well
>
>
> Jacob Kruger
> Blind Biker
> Skype: BlindZA
> "Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
>
> On 2016-12-31 12:25, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
>> This reminded me of a situation I got nvda into the other day that I
>> could not get back out of. it started up with every key and key
>> combination reading its name etc, but none of the keys actually did
>> anything, making getting out impossible. I ended up having to do a
>> power button shut down. this has occurred a couple of times in various
>> versions of nvda now.
>> Its hard to pin down as looking at the log gives me no clues other
>> than saying what was spoken and everything about the start up looks
>> normal.
>> Luckily the reboot of the machine started OK, and it kind of made me
>> wonder whether it might in fact be windows Explorer which was doing
>> it. We all know that it is prone to give that explorer has stopped
>> working  message from time to time and then restart, but in this case
>> if it was not working from the start perhaps no keys going to windows
>> would work either.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
>> Sent via blueyonder.
>> Please address personal email to:-
>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "nasrin khaksar"
>> <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 10:04 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Command Key Announcement - Possible Refinement
>>
>>
>>> hi joseph.
>>> i agree with david and i also wish that can select between the command
>>> keys, which one is announced by nvda.
>>> also i wish this option in nvda preferences menu!
>>> when i use others computer or laptops.
>>>
>>> On 12/31/16, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I'll forward David's suggestion to the add-ons community in hopes
>>>> that we
>>>> can get an add-on going (if folks show interest).
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Joseph
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>>> Andre
>>>> Fisher
>>>> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2016 4:45 PM
>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Command Key Announcement - Possible Refinement
>>>>
>>>> I agree, and due to NV Access' stand on the matter, think that an
>>>> add-on
>>>> would be the way to go. I personally would install such an add-on.
>>>>
>>>> On 12/30/16, David Griffith <daj.griffith@...> wrote:
>>>>> I appreciate that this may be a low priority request but I wonder if
>>>>> it would be possible to have a command key announcement option that
>>>>> does not use announcement for the arrow keys.
>>>>>
>>>>> I personally find announcements that confirm I have hit the control,
>>>>> alt, windows, page up page down home and end keys helpful.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can touch type but the position of these keys can vary on other
>>>>> devices and keyboards that I use, so confirmation that I have hit the
>>>>> correct key is helpful.
>>>>>
>>>>> However I do not use the announce command setting  simply because
>>>>> having the arrow keys announced is so distracting, espedcially when
>>>>> trying to edit text or correct typing mistakes  or navigate on web
>>>>> pages
>>>>> or File Explorer.
>>>>> Unlike the other command keys you tend to be using the arrow keys
>>>>> consistently in pretty much every application you use. , Consequently
>>>>> the command of arrow keys are one of the few key locations I normally
>>>>> never have difficulty with so an option which does not provide this
>>>>> distraction would be very good. I suspect that others will share my
>>>>> experience.
>>>>>
>>>>> If alternatively someone could develop an addon which extends this
>>>>> flexibility in capability I would install it in a heartbeat.
>>>>>
>>>>> David Griffith
>>>>> .
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>>> in the very authentic narration is:
>>> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>>> al-islam.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



Re: Command Key Announcement - Possible Refinement

 

yes.
it does not need the restart of computer.

On 12/31/16, Jacob Kruger <jacob@blindza.co.za> wrote:
Training mode?


NVDA key + 1 will turn this on/off, but, not sure how it could get
turned on by itself?


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-12-31 12:25, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
This reminded me of a situation I got nvda into the other day that I
could not get back out of. it started up with every key and key
combination reading its name etc, but none of the keys actually did
anything, making getting out impossible. I ended up having to do a
power button shut down. this has occurred a couple of times in various
versions of nvda now.
Its hard to pin down as looking at the log gives me no clues other
than saying what was spoken and everything about the start up looks
normal.
Luckily the reboot of the machine started OK, and it kind of made me
wonder whether it might in fact be windows Explorer which was doing
it. We all know that it is prone to give that explorer has stopped
working message from time to time and then restart, but in this case
if it was not working from the start perhaps no keys going to windows
would work either.

Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
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----- Original Message ----- From: "nasrin khaksar"
<nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Command Key Announcement - Possible Refinement


hi joseph.
i agree with david and i also wish that can select between the command
keys, which one is announced by nvda.
also i wish this option in nvda preferences menu!
when i use others computer or laptops.

On 12/31/16, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I'll forward David's suggestion to the add-ons community in hopes
that we
can get an add-on going (if folks show interest).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Andre
Fisher
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2016 4:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Command Key Announcement - Possible Refinement

I agree, and due to NV Access' stand on the matter, think that an
add-on
would be the way to go. I personally would install such an add-on.

On 12/30/16, David Griffith <daj.griffith@gmail.com> wrote:
I appreciate that this may be a low priority request but I wonder if
it would be possible to have a command key announcement option that
does not use announcement for the arrow keys.

I personally find announcements that confirm I have hit the control,
alt, windows, page up page down home and end keys helpful.

I can touch type but the position of these keys can vary on other
devices and keyboards that I use, so confirmation that I have hit the
correct key is helpful.

However I do not use the announce command setting simply because
having the arrow keys announced is so distracting, espedcially when
trying to edit text or correct typing mistakes or navigate on web
pages
or File Explorer.
Unlike the other command keys you tend to be using the arrow keys
consistently in pretty much every application you use. , Consequently
the command of arrow keys are one of the few key locations I normally
never have difficulty with so an option which does not provide this
distraction would be very good. I suspect that others will share my
experience.

If alternatively someone could develop an addon which extends this
flexibility in capability I would install it in a heartbeat.

David Griffith
.





Sent from Mail for Windows 10







--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org









--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: Libre office and NVDA

 

jim,
whats the best and the most accessible version of libreoffice until now?

On 12/31/16, The Gamages <james.gamage@btinternet.com> wrote:
Hello,

I have to disagree with you on this point, I have done articles in MP3
format for Talking computers over the last year and , so far, I have had
little trouble using NVDA, in the few instances that I have encountered
where NVDA had trouble, there was a work around, there is also a way around

the latest issue with tables. I have probably posted my message in the wrong

place, I am really addressing it to the developers of NVDA as an issue which

may be resolved at some point.
I hope people are not put off using the Libre office program by your
remarks, it’s a free program which can be most useful to those with limited

resorces.
The main thing is to have NVDA running while installing Libre office, this
then uses the correct settings for accessability.

Anyone who wants to judge for themselves can look at my articles on the
Talking computers website found at,
talking-computers.org.uk
Thanks for listening.


Best Regards, Jim.

From: Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 11:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Libre office and NVDA

I am very sorry to say, but LibreOffice and NVDA are not compatible
software.

There are many messages about these problems in this mailing list.





Em 29/12/2016 14:48, The Gamages escreveu:

Hello,

My apologies if this is not the correct address for this subject.



I am using the latest NVDA and Libre office Writer.



I am in the process of recording articles about libre office writer using

NVDA as screen reader for the magazine called “Talking Computers”,

Mostly, NVDA does a good job with some work arounds in some areas, Iamb
about to cover the subject of tables and have encountered an anomaly with
NVDA announcing rows incorrectly under certain conditions. If more than one

line is required in a cell, whether allowing the line to wrap or if forced
to do so by pressing enter, NVDA announces the next row as if the extra line

or lines in the previous cell are rows, so, if, for instance, I start in row

one and type two lines in this cell, the next row down is announced as row
three, even though there are only two rows in the table.

If I now delete this row which is being announced as row three and re
insert it, it will read correctly as row two.

It seems that NVDA is recognising extra lines in a cell as rows, so the
actual row below is announced incorrectly.

This only happens if more than one row is present in the original table,
if I start with only one row, then pressing tab at the end of the table will

create another row as normal and it announces correctly as row two.



Incidentally, the same thing happens if I start at any row In a table, not

just the first one.



I have tried this with Jaws and this announces cells as A1, A2 etc as if
it was a spread sheet, but it does indicate the rows correctly even with
multiple lines in a cell.



Once again, my apologies if this is not the correct place for this
message, if that is the case could you please direct me to the correct
address, thank you very much.



Best Regards, Jim.







--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: Libre office and NVDA

The Gamages
 

Hello,
 
I have to disagree with you on this point, I have done articles in MP3 format for Talking computers over the last year and , so far, I have had little trouble using NVDA, in the few instances that I have encountered where NVDA had trouble, there  was a work around, there is also a way around the latest issue with tables. I have probably posted my message in the wrong place, I am really addressing it to the developers of NVDA as an issue which may be resolved at some point.
I hope people are not put off using the Libre office program by your remarks, it’s a free program which can be most useful to those with limited resorces.
The main thing is to have NVDA running while installing Libre office, this then uses the correct settings for accessability.
 
Anyone who wants to judge for themselves can look at my articles on the Talking computers website found at,
talking-computers.org.uk
Thanks for listening.
 
 
Best Regards, Jim.
 

Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Libre office and NVDA
 

I am very sorry to say, but LibreOffice and NVDA are not compatible software.

There are many messages about these problems in this mailing list.

 


Em 29/12/2016 14:48, The Gamages escreveu:

Hello,

My apologies if this is not the correct address for this subject.

 

I am using the latest NVDA and Libre office Writer.

 

I am in the process of recording articles about libre office writer using NVDA as screen reader for the magazine called “Talking Computers”, 

Mostly, NVDA does a good job with some work arounds in  some areas, Iamb about to  cover the subject of tables and have encountered an anomaly with NVDA announcing rows incorrectly under certain conditions. If more than one line is required in a cell, whether allowing the line to wrap or if forced to do so by pressing enter, NVDA announces the next row as if the extra line or lines in the previous cell are rows, so, if, for instance, I start in row one and type two lines in this cell, the next row down is announced as row three, even though there are only two rows in the table.

If I now delete this row which is being announced as row three and re insert it, it will read correctly as row two.

It seems that NVDA is recognising extra lines in a cell as rows, so the actual row below is announced incorrectly.

This only happens if more than one row is present in the original table, if I start with only one row, then pressing tab at the end of the table will create another row as normal and it announces correctly as row two.

 

Incidentally, the same thing happens if I start at any row In a table, not just the first one.

 

I have tried this with Jaws and this announces cells as A1, A2 etc as if it was a spread sheet, but it does indicate the rows correctly even with multiple lines in a cell.

 

Once again, my apologies if this is not the correct place for this message, if that is the case could you please direct me to the correct address, thank you very much.

 

Best Regards, Jim.

 

 


Re: Libre office and NVDA

Walmir Schultz <wsautodidata@...>
 

I am very sorry to say, but LibreOffice and NVDA are not compatible software.

There are many messages about these problems in this mailing list.



Em 29/12/2016 14:48, The Gamages escreveu:

Hello,

My apologies if this is not the correct address for this subject.

 

I am using the latest NVDA and Libre office Writer.

 

I am in the process of recording articles about libre office writer using NVDA as screen reader for the magazine called “Talking Computers”, 

Mostly, NVDA does a good job with some work arounds in  some areas, Iamb about to  cover the subject of tables and have encountered an anomaly with NVDA announcing rows incorrectly under certain conditions. If more than one line is required in a cell, whether allowing the line to wrap or if forced to do so by pressing enter, NVDA announces the next row as if the extra line or lines in the previous cell are rows, so, if, for instance, I start in row one and type two lines in this cell, the next row down is announced as row three, even though there are only two rows in the table.

If I now delete this row which is being announced as row three and re insert it, it will read correctly as row two.

It seems that NVDA is recognising extra lines in a cell as rows, so the actual row below is announced incorrectly.

This only happens if more than one row is present in the original table, if I start with only one row, then pressing tab at the end of the table will create another row as normal and it announces correctly as row two.

 

Incidentally, the same thing happens if I start at any row In a table, not just the first one.

 

I have tried this with Jaws and this announces cells as A1, A2 etc as if it was a spread sheet, but it does indicate the rows correctly even with multiple lines in a cell.

 

Once again, my apologies if this is not the correct place for this message, if that is the case could you please direct me to the correct address, thank you very much.

 

Best Regards, Jim.