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Re: NVDA 2016.3/4 won't run

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi gene


That is really weird.


I think i read he used AVG on his computer and some times AVG would stop nvda from been install onto his pc. I have had that and the way was either turn off AVG while it was been installed then turning it back on after wards or make a exception for it as it would see it as a virus. It only happened once or twice. maybe food for thought for him to check out as well.


Gene nz



On 2/01/2017 8:19 PM, Gene wrote:
The message said that neither installing nore trying the portable version was successful.  An older installed version works. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 1:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.3/4 won't run

Hi --Luther



I was just having a quick read so were you able to install a copy of
nvda onto your pc and it was the installer version?


if there is a UAC screen that comes up when installing from the portable
onto the pc the portable version i do not think can see it.


I do not think it is spoken either. but when it does comes up the
shortcut key is i think the alt key + y


if you did get it installed then updated it or went to update it then
after downloading it and then it goes to install it the UAC screen might
come up if the case is use the ALT key + y and hopefully it will keep on
installing for you.


If you do do a complete uninstall of nvda even though it may be
uninstalled from add/remove programs or what ever windows calls it.


Also check under the C: drive program files x86 directory and make sure
there is no folder for nvda.


Also check under the %appdata% area and if there is a folder called nvda
delete it out.


Reboot the pc then reinstall nvda and hopefully you should be ready to go.


Gene nz

on

On 2/01/2017 5:59 PM, Luther Fuller wrote:
> Hi,
> I am running Windows 8.1 on a Mac bootcamp partition. When NVDA 2016.3
> first came out, I tried to update to it. Everything went as expected
> until the final stage, when a dialog should be presented which says it
> is installing and the beeps stay at the same pitch. Instead, after I
> agreed to the license and told it to "install NVDA on this computer",
> it did nothing. NVDA still worked just as before, but it was still on
> 2016.2.1. I tried this several more times with the same result. The
> same thing happened when I tried to update my portable copy. Recently
> I decided to try to do a clean reinstall (now to NVDA 2016.4). I
> uninstalled NVDA and deleted every file and registry key with "NVDA"
> in its name. I downloaded the 2016.4 installer, but it wouldn't open
> (I tried selecting "open" from the context menu and running it as
> administrator). Then I thought maybe the problem was with my computer,
> and I could use another computer to update my portable copy and then
> copy it to my primary computer. I am able to update the portable copy
> and run it on the second computer with no problems. However, when I
> try to run it on my primary computer, there is a Windows error sound
> immediately after the NVDA startup sound, but no error message. I
> looked for log files on the flashdrive and in my AppData folder, but
> there are none. Does anyone know what is going on and/or how to fix
> this? Any help is appreciated.
>
> Thank you,
>
> --Luther
>
>
>

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Also, check out which New Zealand libraries have the NVDA screen reader available by visiting the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries


Re: LibreOffice Writer Annoyances - The beginning

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

The below statement makes no sense. Librioffice code is already available for anyone to inspect, NVDA developers included. Saying that librioffice needs to give their code to NVDA developers if they want it to be more compatible is a spurious argument. It's opensource, that means anybody can inspect the code at any time, it has nothing to do with giving anybody anything. I have no idea if ms actually gave code to office to nvda developers, but I'd tend to doubt it. It seems to me, that you have things backwards in this scenario.


I'm not addressing the business/home usage case, only the source code availability argument.

On 1/2/2017 2:04 PM, Carlos wrote:
If Libre Office wants to be compatible with NVDA they should give NVDA developers their code to inspect and study. MS Office has done so for NVDA developers and it has made it possible for NVDA to work very well with MS Office!


Re: LibreOffice Writer Annoyances - The beginning

Gene
 

It isn't just a question of givingt code.  If something is open-source then, by definition, the code is given to anyone who wants to see it.  programmers need to put code into programs at times to allow the program to work efficiently with screen-readers.  that's one reason browsers that use browse mode work well with screen-readers.  The developers inserted code to allow browse mode to function.  and also, such code doesn't just benefit one screen-reader.  All screen-readers that use browse mode, whatever they may call it, can work with the code. 
 
gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] LibreOffice Writer Annoyances - The beginning

Hello:

     The main purpose of NVDA is not only for personal use.  It is also
for use in office/work environments.

     Most office/work environments use MS Office as their office
software of choice.  Libre Office is more popular for business use in
the European union.

     MS Office will always come first when it comes to the workplace! 
And, work/jobs will always come first when it comes to screen reader usage!

     If Libre Office wants to be compatible with NVDA they should give
NVDA developers their code to inspect and study.  MS Office has done so
for NVDA developers and it has made it possible for NVDA to work very
well with MS Office!

     Just because software is open source it does not mean that NVDA
developers can work with the code without the blessing/permission of the
software developers!

     So, if you want Libre Office to work better with NVDA direct your
efforts to letting Libre Office know that your screen reader of choice
is NVDA and that they need to include better support for NVDA in their
software!!!



On 1/2/2017 10:32 AM, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io wrote:
> But this is exactly the point.
>
> Why an open source screen reader is being constantly enhanced to work
> wit a paid office suite while an open source one is being "abandoned"?
>
>
>
> Em 02/01/2017 15:26, Andre Fisher escreveu:
>> This is an NVDA enhancement. The developers have not looked into this
>> enhancement as yet.
>>
>> On 1/2/17, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io
>> <wsautodidata@...> wrote:
>>> In a trial version of MS Office I saw the the toggling between browse
>>> and edit mode using  the INSERT+SPACE works like in web pages.
>>>
>>> In a Writer document this is not possible, even if you are using all
>>> header styles, lists etc.
>>>
>>> This make the navigation in large documents very difficult.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

--
Carlos Gonzalez - Los Angeles, CA. - gmjc341961@...




Re: LibreOffice Writer Annoyances - The beginning

Carlos
 

Hello:

The main purpose of NVDA is not only for personal use. It is also for use in office/work environments.

Most office/work environments use MS Office as their office software of choice. Libre Office is more popular for business use in the European union.

MS Office will always come first when it comes to the workplace! And, work/jobs will always come first when it comes to screen reader usage!

If Libre Office wants to be compatible with NVDA they should give NVDA developers their code to inspect and study. MS Office has done so for NVDA developers and it has made it possible for NVDA to work very well with MS Office!

Just because software is open source it does not mean that NVDA developers can work with the code without the blessing/permission of the software developers!

So, if you want Libre Office to work better with NVDA direct your efforts to letting Libre Office know that your screen reader of choice is NVDA and that they need to include better support for NVDA in their software!!!

On 1/2/2017 10:32 AM, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io wrote:
But this is exactly the point.

Why an open source screen reader is being constantly enhanced to work wit a paid office suite while an open source one is being "abandoned"?



Em 02/01/2017 15:26, Andre Fisher escreveu:
This is an NVDA enhancement. The developers have not looked into this
enhancement as yet.

On 1/2/17, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io
<wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
In a trial version of MS Office I saw the the toggling between browse
and edit mode using the INSERT+SPACE works like in web pages.

In a Writer document this is not possible, even if you are using all
header styles, lists etc.

This make the navigation in large documents very difficult.






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Re: LibreOffice Writer Annoyances - The beginning

Gene
 

Assumedly, because the Microsoft program is the one used for employment and in school settings.  Also, open source doesn't have a particularly sterling record on accessibility and its up to the designers to put programming into the program that makes it reasonable for screen-reader developers to put time into making their screen-readers work well with such programs. 
 
Far too often, accessibility is not done or taken seriously in open source programs. The programs are developed by volunteers and there is no economic incentive to worry about accessibility.  for Apple and Microsoft, commercial contracts provide incentives.  For open source, it's free anyway so why should they care if their program meets accessibility standards for government and business use.
 
Implying that NVDA should support open source programs because they are open source is making an ideological argument.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] LibreOffice Writer Annoyances - The beginning

But this is exactly the point.

Why an open source screen reader is being constantly enhanced to work
wit a paid office suite while an open source one is being "abandoned"?



Em 02/01/2017 15:26, Andre Fisher escreveu:
> This is an NVDA enhancement. The developers have not looked into this
> enhancement as yet.
>
> On 1/2/17, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io
> <wsautodidata@...> wrote:
>> In a trial version of MS Office I saw the the toggling between browse
>> and edit mode using  the INSERT+SPACE works like in web pages.
>>
>> In a Writer document this is not possible, even if you are using all
>> header styles, lists etc.
>>
>> This make the navigation in large documents very difficult.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>




Re: LibreOffice Writer Annoyances - The beginning

Walmir Schultz <wsautodidata@...>
 

But this is exactly the point.

Why an open source screen reader is being constantly enhanced to work wit a paid office suite while an open source one is being "abandoned"?



Em 02/01/2017 15:26, Andre Fisher escreveu:

This is an NVDA enhancement. The developers have not looked into this
enhancement as yet.

On 1/2/17, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io
<wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
In a trial version of MS Office I saw the the toggling between browse
and edit mode using the INSERT+SPACE works like in web pages.

In a Writer document this is not possible, even if you are using all
header styles, lists etc.

This make the navigation in large documents very difficult.






Re: Epub Editor

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

epub files are html files. any html editor will work just fine.

On 1/2/2017 9:59 AM, kelby carlson wrote:
Anyone know of an editor that will let you alter the metadata of EPUB
files that works with NVDA?


Re: LibreOffice Writer Annoyances - The beginning

Andre Fisher
 

This is an NVDA enhancement. The developers have not looked into this
enhancement as yet.

On 1/2/17, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io
<wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
In a trial version of MS Office I saw the the toggling between browse
and edit mode using the INSERT+SPACE works like in web pages.

In a Writer document this is not possible, even if you are using all
header styles, lists etc.

This make the navigation in large documents very difficult.






Re: Epub Editor

Domingos de Oliveira <domingos20000@...>
 

Hi,

Sigil can do that and is mostly accessible with NVDA

HTH Domingos

2017-01-02 17:31 GMT+01:00, Kwork <istherelife@gmail.com>:

Tyler Spivey has one on his site:
http://allinaccess.com/software/
Look for the heading that says EPUBEdit, then arrow down to the
documentation and download link. Metadata can be easily edited and can
usually be downloaded from Calibre. I use it regularly.
Travis
----- Original Message -----
From: "kelby carlson" <kelbycarlson@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 7:59 AM
Subject: [nvda] Epub Editor


Anyone know of an editor that will let you alter the metadata of EPUB
files that works with NVDA?






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Re: NVDA 2016.3/4 won't run

Luther Fuller <theheathbar123@...>
 

Narrator runs just fine and has not been affected by any of this, but
of course it's not very good for daily use by a totally blind person
like me. I happen to be having some problems with AVG,, and I don't
think my installation can block programs in its current state. The
NVDA problem must be something mysterious with Windows or the Bootcamp
support software. I'll try to get NVDA 2016.2.1 back on there.

Thanks,

--Luther

On 1/2/17, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
Yes I agree. Not having had much exposure to such systems, I seem to recall

there were some issues over filenames and paths in the later versions of
nvda, but in fact it is the later ones that are correct so it might well be

that the reason its not working is that as far as boot camped windows is
concerned, it cannot see some of the files for nvda.
If its not even getting as far as generating a log, it has to be something
pretty crucial. Perhaps when the archive is unzipped or when a particular
file in the portable copy runs and goes looking for something.
You do not say much about anti malware or virus software. Some of this can

also seemingly be very upset with some files for no reason, but in that
case one might expect an error message. What happens if you run narrator on

the windows system.
Its obvious its the machine from what you say about it working ok on
another one.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 6:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.3/4 won't run


You are assuming that no changes were made in NVDA that made it incompatible

with boot camp Windows. At this point, drawing any conclusions such as
corruption is without foundation. Also, the older NVDA continues to run on

the system and even a newer portable version doesn't run.

Tinkering with system files or the registry at this point, on the basis of
possible corruption is, as I said, unsupported by any evidence and, until
more is known, incompatibility for an unknown reason is the best
hypothesis.

The portable version, being properly portable, doesn't use the registry at
all and that doesn't run either.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 12:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.3/4 won't run


Makes no sense to me! I wonder if it's because it's a Mac/windows operating

system? Although it shouldn't make a difference. If it works on another
windows system. It makes no sense why it will not run on your primary
computer! Do you think something might have became corrupt with your
windows/mac computer? If everything's fine on your sd/thumb drive then
something must be corrupt with windows 8 on the primary computer. Did you
clean your redgestery in windows 8? Did you eliminate all keys in the
redgerstery. If you did not. You can have a friend do it for you. That might

do the trick if you are nervous to do it yourself.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Luther
Fuller
Sent: January-01-17 8:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2016.3/4 won't run

Hi,
I am running Windows 8.1 on a Mac bootcamp partition. When NVDA 2016.3 first

came out, I tried to update to it. Everything went as expected until the
final stage, when a dialog should be presented which says it is installing
and the beeps stay at the same pitch. Instead, after I agreed to the license

and told it to "install NVDA on this computer", it did nothing. NVDA still
worked just as before, but it was still on 2016.2.1. I tried this several
more times with the same result. The same thing happened when I tried to
update my portable copy. Recently I decided to try to do a clean reinstall
(now to NVDA 2016.4). I uninstalled NVDA and deleted every file and registry

key with "NVDA"
in its name. I downloaded the 2016.4 installer, but it wouldn't open (I
tried selecting "open" from the context menu and running it as
administrator). Then I thought maybe the problem was with my computer, and I

could use another computer to update my portable copy and then copy it to my

primary computer. I am able to update the portable copy and run it on the
second computer with no problems. However, when I try to run it on my
primary computer, there is a Windows error sound immediately after the NVDA

startup sound, but no error message. I looked for log files on the
flashdrive and in my AppData folder, but there are none. Does anyone know
what is going on and/or how to fix this? Any help is appreciated.

Thank you,

--Luther











Re: Epub Editor

Kwork
 

Tyler Spivey has one on his site:
http://allinaccess.com/software/
Look for the heading that says EPUBEdit, then arrow down to the
documentation and download link. Metadata can be easily edited and can
usually be downloaded from Calibre. I use it regularly.
Travis

----- Original Message -----
From: "kelby carlson" <kelbycarlson@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 7:59 AM
Subject: [nvda] Epub Editor


Anyone know of an editor that will let you alter the metadata of EPUB
files that works with NVDA?


Re: Something strange going on with Windows 10. Machine seems to be in a state of hybronation

Louis Maher <ljmaher@...>
 

If you have a touch sensitive screen, you can do this:

First, turn on narrator (windows key + enter).

Two, if you have a touch screen, you can run your finger around the screen to try and highlight the password field.

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Douglas Lawlor
Sent: Monday, January 2, 2017 8:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Something strange going on with Windows 10. Machine seems to be in a state of hybronation

 

Hello all,    I am having a strange problem here. I'm sure it is related to the Fastboot option in Windows 10 but I'll be dammed if I know how to fix this one.     What happened? I did a restart and the best way I can describe is the computer half booted and seems to be stuck in hybronation mode. 

Here are the symptoms I can see. 

1. Pressing the power button powers on the machine. 

2. I can hear the hard disk being accessed for a few seconds that access stops. 

3. NVDA seems to be active. When I press the Capslock key NVDA will indicate if the capslock key is on or off. 

4. Pressing NVDA+t to read the title of the window results in nothing announced. 

5. Pressing NVDA+Keypad4 and NVDA+Keypad 6 announces "Desktop in object review mode. 

6. Pressing the power button to shut down instantly shuts down. 

7. Holding down the power button for 8 seconds results in the same. The machine instantly shuts down. 

8. 

Taking a picture of the screen using KNFB Reader I get enough information to see that the Windows 10 lock screen is displayed. Pressing any key to display the password box results in nothing. 

9. I cannot reboot to a USB boot disk even though I have the boot order set to USB first. 

 

Has anyone else had this happen to them and what did they do about it? I found an article that talks about a hybronation file in a directory on the hard disk. The only thing I can think to do is to remove the hard drive and do a clean install again. 

 

Thanks for my rant this morning. 

 

Doug

 


Re: Libre office and NVDA

Gene
 

I had the impression from earlier messages that your problems were mainly performance problems such as freezes.  However, since you were more specific in later messages, some of your problems appear to be caused by incomplete accessibility and are in a different category than performance.  We'll see how the discussion develops but my comments were only meant to apply to performance. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Libre office and NVDA

I am not having these problems in only one computer, version or operating system...

I have problems in two different computers, In versions of NVDA from 2015.1 and Libreoffice since version 4and, last but not least, in both Windows XP and 7.

To me it seems that the slower the computer, greater are the annoyances.


Em 02/01/2017 12:29, Gene escreveu:
You can't conclude anything based on one use with one computer.  That's why beta testing is done by a lot of people on a lot of different machines.  All we can say is that you have problems on the machine you use with that combination of software.  Since others like using this combination and don't complain of such problems, it is likely that either the problems you describe are your specific problems and not general or that they affect only a small number of users.  But generalizing about performance problems from one person's experience is not valid. 
There is nothing wrong with describing your problems and saying that that is your experience, but generalizing is not valid.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 6:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Libre office and NVDA

I do not want to repeat all the problems I have with LibreOffice because
I already mentioned many of them in this group.

But, with so many "annoyances" while using LibreOffice along with NVDA
and having to restart NVDA at every moment to overcome this issues, I
only find the word incompatibility to describe all the problems.

I am very sad to use this term, but maybe by doing so the issues will
receive some attention, maybe the same attention MS Office has. As
anyone can see, at every new version of NVDA there are many improvements
in regard to Microsoft software, but nothing related to LibreOffice.

I must say that without NVDA I cannot use a computer and I am very
grateful for that.

But, as I can use many, many other programs without any problem, my
conclusion is that NVDA and LibreOffice are not fully compatible.




Em 31/12/2016 13:18, Mallard escreveu:
> Whaaaaaaaaat? No way!!! I've been using Libre Office and NVDA for at
> least three years, and they're absolutely compatible! There might be
> some slight problems every now and then, but it's crazy to say they're
> not compatible!!!
>
> For goodness sake, don't make the same mistake I used to make... When
> I was unable to have something work the way I expected, I started
> screaming that the programme was not accessible... Then I realised it
> was me... (big smile).
>
> Please, reconsider your statement carefully; do some more
> experimenting, and be happy with your Libere Office!
>
> Ollie
>
>
>
>
>
> Il 31/12/2016 12:56, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io ha scritto:
>>
>> I am very sorry to say, but LibreOffice and NVDA are not compatible
>> software.
>>
>> There are many messages about these problems in this mailing list.
>>
>>
>>
>> Em 29/12/2016 14:48, The Gamages escreveu:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> My apologies if this is not the correct address for this subject.
>>>
>>> I am using the latest NVDA and Libre office Writer.
>>>
>>> I am in the process of recording articles about libre office writer
>>> using NVDA as screen reader for the magazine called “Talking
>>> Computers”,
>>>
>>> Mostly, NVDA does a good job with some work arounds in  some areas,
>>> Iamb about to  cover the subject of tables and have encountered an
>>> anomaly with NVDA announcing rows incorrectly under certain
>>> conditions. If more than one line is required in a cell, whether
>>> allowing the line to wrap or if forced to do so by pressing enter,
>>> NVDA announces the next row as if the extra line or lines in the
>>> previous cell are rows, so, if, for instance, I start in row one and
>>> type two lines in this cell, the next row down is announced as row
>>> three, even though there are only two rows in the table.
>>>
>>> If I now delete this row which is being announced as row three and
>>> re insert it, it will read correctly as row two.
>>>
>>> It seems that NVDA is recognising extra lines in a cell as rows, so
>>> the actual row below is announced incorrectly.
>>>
>>> This only happens if more than one row is present in the original
>>> table, if I start with only one row, then pressing tab at the end of
>>> the table will create another row as normal and it announces
>>> correctly as row two.
>>>
>>> Incidentally, the same thing happens if I start at any row In a
>>> table, not just the first one.
>>>
>>> I have tried this with Jaws and this announces cells as A1, A2 etc
>>> as if it was a spread sheet, but it does indicate the rows correctly
>>> even with multiple lines in a cell.
>>>
>>> Once again, my apologies if this is not the correct place for this
>>> message, if that is the case could you please direct me to the
>>> correct address, thank you very much.
>>>
>>> Best Regards, Jim.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>





Epub Editor

kelby carlson
 

Anyone know of an editor that will let you alter the metadata of EPUB
files that works with NVDA?


Re: Something strange going on with Windows 10. Machine seems to be in a state of hybronation

Chris
 

 

Press esc to view login screen

 


Re: Libre office and NVDA

Walmir Schultz <wsautodidata@...>
 

I am not having these problems in only one computer, version or operating system...

I have problems in two different computers, In versions of NVDA from 2015.1 and Libreoffice since version 4and, last but not least, in both Windows XP and 7.

To me it seems that the slower the computer, greater are the annoyances.


Em 02/01/2017 12:29, Gene escreveu:

You can't conclude anything based on one use with one computer.  That's why beta testing is done by a lot of people on a lot of different machines.  All we can say is that you have problems on the machine you use with that combination of software.  Since others like using this combination and don't complain of such problems, it is likely that either the problems you describe are your specific problems and not general or that they affect only a small number of users.  But generalizing about performance problems from one person's experience is not valid. 
There is nothing wrong with describing your problems and saying that that is your experience, but generalizing is not valid.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 6:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Libre office and NVDA

I do not want to repeat all the problems I have with LibreOffice because
I already mentioned many of them in this group.

But, with so many "annoyances" while using LibreOffice along with NVDA
and having to restart NVDA at every moment to overcome this issues, I
only find the word incompatibility to describe all the problems.

I am very sad to use this term, but maybe by doing so the issues will
receive some attention, maybe the same attention MS Office has. As
anyone can see, at every new version of NVDA there are many improvements
in regard to Microsoft software, but nothing related to LibreOffice.

I must say that without NVDA I cannot use a computer and I am very
grateful for that.

But, as I can use many, many other programs without any problem, my
conclusion is that NVDA and LibreOffice are not fully compatible.




Em 31/12/2016 13:18, Mallard escreveu:
> Whaaaaaaaaat? No way!!! I've been using Libre Office and NVDA for at
> least three years, and they're absolutely compatible! There might be
> some slight problems every now and then, but it's crazy to say they're
> not compatible!!!
>
> For goodness sake, don't make the same mistake I used to make... When
> I was unable to have something work the way I expected, I started
> screaming that the programme was not accessible... Then I realised it
> was me... (big smile).
>
> Please, reconsider your statement carefully; do some more
> experimenting, and be happy with your Libere Office!
>
> Ollie
>
>
>
>
>
> Il 31/12/2016 12:56, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io ha scritto:
>>
>> I am very sorry to say, but LibreOffice and NVDA are not compatible
>> software.
>>
>> There are many messages about these problems in this mailing list.
>>
>>
>>
>> Em 29/12/2016 14:48, The Gamages escreveu:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> My apologies if this is not the correct address for this subject.
>>>
>>> I am using the latest NVDA and Libre office Writer.
>>>
>>> I am in the process of recording articles about libre office writer
>>> using NVDA as screen reader for the magazine called “Talking
>>> Computers”,
>>>
>>> Mostly, NVDA does a good job with some work arounds in  some areas,
>>> Iamb about to  cover the subject of tables and have encountered an
>>> anomaly with NVDA announcing rows incorrectly under certain
>>> conditions. If more than one line is required in a cell, whether
>>> allowing the line to wrap or if forced to do so by pressing enter,
>>> NVDA announces the next row as if the extra line or lines in the
>>> previous cell are rows, so, if, for instance, I start in row one and
>>> type two lines in this cell, the next row down is announced as row
>>> three, even though there are only two rows in the table.
>>>
>>> If I now delete this row which is being announced as row three and
>>> re insert it, it will read correctly as row two.
>>>
>>> It seems that NVDA is recognising extra lines in a cell as rows, so
>>> the actual row below is announced incorrectly.
>>>
>>> This only happens if more than one row is present in the original
>>> table, if I start with only one row, then pressing tab at the end of
>>> the table will create another row as normal and it announces
>>> correctly as row two.
>>>
>>> Incidentally, the same thing happens if I start at any row In a
>>> table, not just the first one.
>>>
>>> I have tried this with Jaws and this announces cells as A1, A2 etc
>>> as if it was a spread sheet, but it does indicate the rows correctly
>>> even with multiple lines in a cell.
>>>
>>> Once again, my apologies if this is not the correct place for this
>>> message, if that is the case could you please direct me to the
>>> correct address, thank you very much.
>>>
>>> Best Regards, Jim.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>





Re: Something strange going on with Windows 10. Machine seems to be in a state of hybronation

Jacob Kruger
 

ctrl + alt + delete?


And, maybe also try turning on narrator, just in case? As in windows key + enter, and, see if it reads out anything additional as you then try tab around that lock screen?


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2017-01-02 16:27, Douglas Lawlor wrote:

Hello all,    I am having a strange problem here. I'm sure it is related to the Fastboot option in Windows 10 but I'll be dammed if I know how to fix this one.     What happened? I did a restart and the best way I can describe is the computer half booted and seems to be stuck in hybronation mode. 

Here are the symptoms I can see. 

1. Pressing the power button powers on the machine. 

2. I can hear the hard disk being accessed for a few seconds that access stops. 

3. NVDA seems to be active. When I press the Capslock key NVDA will indicate if the capslock key is on or off. 

4. Pressing NVDA+t to read the title of the window results in nothing announced. 

5. Pressing NVDA+Keypad4 and NVDA+Keypad 6 announces "Desktop in object review mode. 

6. Pressing the power button to shut down instantly shuts down. 

7. Holding down the power button for 8 seconds results in the same. The machine instantly shuts down. 

8. 

Taking a picture of the screen using KNFB Reader I get enough information to see that the Windows 10 lock screen is displayed. Pressing any key to display the password box results in nothing. 

9. I cannot reboot to a USB boot disk even though I have the boot order set to USB first. 


Has anyone else had this happen to them and what did they do about it? I found an article that talks about a hybronation file in a directory on the hard disk. The only thing I can think to do is to remove the hard drive and do a clean install again. 


Thanks for my rant this morning. 


Doug




Re: off topic: using audacity to merge two files

Felix G.
 

Hello,
I assume you would like to merge two audio files such that the result plays them simultaneously.
1. Open Audacity. An empty project will be shown without any tracks.
2. Press ctrl+shift+i to import a sound file. Do this repeatedly for every file you would like to merge. Every imported file will appear in the project as a separate track.
3. Save.
4. Export.
Kind regards,
Felix Grützmacher

Governor staten <govsta@...> schrieb am So., 1. Jan. 2017 um 23:01 Uhr:

Hello guys. I could use the assistance of any audacity users out there. I have two files that I want to make one file. How, with speech, would I go about doing this? It's something fairly simple, I"m sure.






LibreOffice Writer Annoyances - The beginning

Walmir Schultz <wsautodidata@...>
 

In a trial version of MS Office I saw the the toggling between browse and edit mode using the INSERT+SPACE works like in web pages.

In a Writer document this is not possible, even if you are using all header styles, lists etc.

This make the navigation in large documents very difficult.


Re: Libre office and NVDA

Gene
 

You can't conclude anything based on one use with one computer.  That's why beta testing is done by a lot of people on a lot of different machines.  All we can say is that you have problems on the machine you use with that combination of software.  Since others like using this combination and don't complain of such problems, it is likely that either the problems you describe are your specific problems and not general or that they affect only a small number of users.  But generalizing about performance problems from one person's experience is not valid. 
There is nothing wrong with describing your problems and saying that that is your experience, but generalizing is not valid.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 6:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Libre office and NVDA

I do not want to repeat all the problems I have with LibreOffice because
I already mentioned many of them in this group.

But, with so many "annoyances" while using LibreOffice along with NVDA
and having to restart NVDA at every moment to overcome this issues, I
only find the word incompatibility to describe all the problems.

I am very sad to use this term, but maybe by doing so the issues will
receive some attention, maybe the same attention MS Office has. As
anyone can see, at every new version of NVDA there are many improvements
in regard to Microsoft software, but nothing related to LibreOffice.

I must say that without NVDA I cannot use a computer and I am very
grateful for that.

But, as I can use many, many other programs without any problem, my
conclusion is that NVDA and LibreOffice are not fully compatible.




Em 31/12/2016 13:18, Mallard escreveu:
> Whaaaaaaaaat? No way!!! I've been using Libre Office and NVDA for at
> least three years, and they're absolutely compatible! There might be
> some slight problems every now and then, but it's crazy to say they're
> not compatible!!!
>
> For goodness sake, don't make the same mistake I used to make... When
> I was unable to have something work the way I expected, I started
> screaming that the programme was not accessible... Then I realised it
> was me... (big smile).
>
> Please, reconsider your statement carefully; do some more
> experimenting, and be happy with your Libere Office!
>
> Ollie
>
>
>
>
>
> Il 31/12/2016 12:56, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io ha scritto:
>>
>> I am very sorry to say, but LibreOffice and NVDA are not compatible
>> software.
>>
>> There are many messages about these problems in this mailing list.
>>
>>
>>
>> Em 29/12/2016 14:48, The Gamages escreveu:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> My apologies if this is not the correct address for this subject.
>>>
>>> I am using the latest NVDA and Libre office Writer.
>>>
>>> I am in the process of recording articles about libre office writer
>>> using NVDA as screen reader for the magazine called “Talking
>>> Computers”,
>>>
>>> Mostly, NVDA does a good job with some work arounds in  some areas,
>>> Iamb about to  cover the subject of tables and have encountered an
>>> anomaly with NVDA announcing rows incorrectly under certain
>>> conditions. If more than one line is required in a cell, whether
>>> allowing the line to wrap or if forced to do so by pressing enter,
>>> NVDA announces the next row as if the extra line or lines in the
>>> previous cell are rows, so, if, for instance, I start in row one and
>>> type two lines in this cell, the next row down is announced as row
>>> three, even though there are only two rows in the table.
>>>
>>> If I now delete this row which is being announced as row three and
>>> re insert it, it will read correctly as row two.
>>>
>>> It seems that NVDA is recognising extra lines in a cell as rows, so
>>> the actual row below is announced incorrectly.
>>>
>>> This only happens if more than one row is present in the original
>>> table, if I start with only one row, then pressing tab at the end of
>>> the table will create another row as normal and it announces
>>> correctly as row two.
>>>
>>> Incidentally, the same thing happens if I start at any row In a
>>> table, not just the first one.
>>>
>>> I have tried this with Jaws and this announces cells as A1, A2 etc
>>> as if it was a spread sheet, but it does indicate the rows correctly
>>> even with multiple lines in a cell.
>>>
>>> Once again, my apologies if this is not the correct place for this
>>> message, if that is the case could you please direct me to the
>>> correct address, thank you very much.
>>>
>>> Best Regards, Jim.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>