Re: NVDA 2016.3/4 won't run
Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
Hi gene
That is really weird.
I think i read he used AVG on his computer and some times AVG would stop nvda from been install onto his pc. I have had that and the way was either turn off AVG while it was been installed then turning it back on after wards or make a exception for it as it would see it as a virus. It only happened once or twice. maybe food for thought for him to check out as well.
Gene nz
On 2/01/2017 8:19 PM, Gene wrote:
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Re: LibreOffice Writer Annoyances - The beginning
Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
The below statement makes no sense. Librioffice code is already available for anyone to inspect, NVDA developers included. Saying that librioffice needs to give their code to NVDA developers if they want it to be more compatible is a spurious argument. It's opensource, that means anybody can inspect the code at any time, it has nothing to do with giving anybody anything. I have no idea if ms actually gave code to office to nvda developers, but I'd tend to doubt it. It seems to me, that you have things backwards in this scenario.
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I'm not addressing the business/home usage case, only the source code availability argument.
On 1/2/2017 2:04 PM, Carlos wrote:
If Libre Office wants to be compatible with NVDA they should give NVDA developers their code to inspect and study. MS Office has done so for NVDA developers and it has made it possible for NVDA to work very well with MS Office!
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Re: LibreOffice Writer Annoyances - The beginning
Gene
It isn't just a question of givingt code. If
something is open-source then, by definition, the code is given to anyone who
wants to see it. programmers need to put code into programs at times to
allow the program to work efficiently with screen-readers. that's one
reason browsers that use browse mode work well with screen-readers. The
developers inserted code to allow browse mode to function. and also, such
code doesn't just benefit one screen-reader. All screen-readers that use
browse mode, whatever they may call it, can work with the code.
gene
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From: Carlos
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] LibreOffice Writer Annoyances - The
beginning The main purpose of NVDA is not only for personal use. It is also for use in office/work environments. Most office/work environments use MS Office as their office software of choice. Libre Office is more popular for business use in the European union. MS Office will always come first when it comes to the workplace! And, work/jobs will always come first when it comes to screen reader usage! If Libre Office wants to be compatible with NVDA they should give NVDA developers their code to inspect and study. MS Office has done so for NVDA developers and it has made it possible for NVDA to work very well with MS Office! Just because software is open source it does not mean that NVDA developers can work with the code without the blessing/permission of the software developers! So, if you want Libre Office to work better with NVDA direct your efforts to letting Libre Office know that your screen reader of choice is NVDA and that they need to include better support for NVDA in their software!!! On 1/2/2017 10:32 AM, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io wrote: > But this is exactly the point. > > Why an open source screen reader is being constantly enhanced to work > wit a paid office suite while an open source one is being "abandoned"? > > > > Em 02/01/2017 15:26, Andre Fisher escreveu: >> This is an NVDA enhancement. The developers have not looked into this >> enhancement as yet. >> >> On 1/2/17, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io >> <wsautodidata@...> wrote: >>> In a trial version of MS Office I saw the the toggling between browse >>> and edit mode using the INSERT+SPACE works like in web pages. >>> >>> In a Writer document this is not possible, even if you are using all >>> header styles, lists etc. >>> >>> This make the navigation in large documents very difficult. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > -- Carlos Gonzalez - Los Angeles, CA. - gmjc341961@...
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Re: LibreOffice Writer Annoyances - The beginning
Carlos
Hello:
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The main purpose of NVDA is not only for personal use. It is also for use in office/work environments. Most office/work environments use MS Office as their office software of choice. Libre Office is more popular for business use in the European union. MS Office will always come first when it comes to the workplace! And, work/jobs will always come first when it comes to screen reader usage! If Libre Office wants to be compatible with NVDA they should give NVDA developers their code to inspect and study. MS Office has done so for NVDA developers and it has made it possible for NVDA to work very well with MS Office! Just because software is open source it does not mean that NVDA developers can work with the code without the blessing/permission of the software developers! So, if you want Libre Office to work better with NVDA direct your efforts to letting Libre Office know that your screen reader of choice is NVDA and that they need to include better support for NVDA in their software!!!
On 1/2/2017 10:32 AM, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io wrote:
But this is exactly the point. --
Carlos Gonzalez - Los Angeles, CA. - gmjc341961@gmail.com
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Re: LibreOffice Writer Annoyances - The beginning
Gene
Assumedly, because the Microsoft program is the one
used for employment and in school settings. Also, open source doesn't have
a particularly sterling record on accessibility and its up to the designers to
put programming into the program that makes it reasonable for screen-reader
developers to put time into making their screen-readers work well with such
programs.
Far too often, accessibility is not done or taken
seriously in open source programs. The programs are developed by volunteers
and there is no economic incentive to worry about accessibility. for Apple
and Microsoft, commercial contracts provide incentives. For open source,
it's free anyway so why should they care if their program meets accessibility
standards for government and business use.
Implying that NVDA should support open source
programs because they are open source is making an ideological argument.
Gene
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Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] LibreOffice Writer Annoyances - The
beginning Why an open source screen reader is being constantly enhanced to work wit a paid office suite while an open source one is being "abandoned"? Em 02/01/2017 15:26, Andre Fisher escreveu: > This is an NVDA enhancement. The developers have not looked into this > enhancement as yet. > > On 1/2/17, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io > <wsautodidata@...> wrote: >> In a trial version of MS Office I saw the the toggling between browse >> and edit mode using the INSERT+SPACE works like in web pages. >> >> In a Writer document this is not possible, even if you are using all >> header styles, lists etc. >> >> This make the navigation in large documents very difficult. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >
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Re: LibreOffice Writer Annoyances - The beginning
Walmir Schultz <wsautodidata@...>
But this is exactly the point.
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Why an open source screen reader is being constantly enhanced to work wit a paid office suite while an open source one is being "abandoned"? Em 02/01/2017 15:26, Andre Fisher escreveu:
This is an NVDA enhancement. The developers have not looked into this
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Re: Epub Editor
Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
epub files are html files. any html editor will work just fine.
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On 1/2/2017 9:59 AM, kelby carlson wrote:
Anyone know of an editor that will let you alter the metadata of EPUB
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Re: LibreOffice Writer Annoyances - The beginning
Andre Fisher
This is an NVDA enhancement. The developers have not looked into this
enhancement as yet. On 1/2/17, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io <wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote: In a trial version of MS Office I saw the the toggling between browse
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Re: Epub Editor
Domingos de Oliveira <domingos20000@...>
Hi,
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Sigil can do that and is mostly accessible with NVDA HTH Domingos 2017-01-02 17:31 GMT+01:00, Kwork <istherelife@gmail.com>:
Tyler Spivey has one on his site: --
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Re: NVDA 2016.3/4 won't run
Luther Fuller <theheathbar123@...>
Narrator runs just fine and has not been affected by any of this, but
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of course it's not very good for daily use by a totally blind person like me. I happen to be having some problems with AVG,, and I don't think my installation can block programs in its current state. The NVDA problem must be something mysterious with Windows or the Bootcamp support software. I'll try to get NVDA 2016.2.1 back on there. Thanks, --Luther
On 1/2/17, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
Yes I agree. Not having had much exposure to such systems, I seem to recall
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Re: Epub Editor
Kwork
Tyler Spivey has one on his site:
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http://allinaccess.com/software/ Look for the heading that says EPUBEdit, then arrow down to the documentation and download link. Metadata can be easily edited and can usually be downloaded from Calibre. I use it regularly. Travis
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From: "kelby carlson" <kelbycarlson@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 7:59 AM Subject: [nvda] Epub Editor Anyone know of an editor that will let you alter the metadata of EPUB files that works with NVDA?
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Re: Something strange going on with Windows 10. Machine seems to be in a state of hybronation
Louis Maher <ljmaher@...>
If you have a touch sensitive screen, you can do this: First, turn on narrator (windows key + enter). Two, if you have a touch screen, you can run your finger around the screen to try and highlight the password field.
Regards Louis Maher Phone: 713-444-7838 E-mail: ljmaher@...
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Douglas Lawlor
Sent: Monday, January 2, 2017 8:28 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Something strange going on with Windows 10. Machine seems to be in a state of hybronation
Hello all, I am having a strange problem here. I'm sure it is related to the Fastboot option in Windows 10 but I'll be dammed if I know how to fix this one. What happened? I did a restart and the best way I can describe is the computer half booted and seems to be stuck in hybronation mode. Here are the symptoms I can see. 1. Pressing the power button powers on the machine. 2. I can hear the hard disk being accessed for a few seconds that access stops. 3. NVDA seems to be active. When I press the Capslock key NVDA will indicate if the capslock key is on or off. 4. Pressing NVDA+t to read the title of the window results in nothing announced. 5. Pressing NVDA+Keypad4 and NVDA+Keypad 6 announces "Desktop in object review mode. 6. Pressing the power button to shut down instantly shuts down. 7. Holding down the power button for 8 seconds results in the same. The machine instantly shuts down. 8. Taking a picture of the screen using KNFB Reader I get enough information to see that the Windows 10 lock screen is displayed. Pressing any key to display the password box results in nothing. 9. I cannot reboot to a USB boot disk even though I have the boot order set to USB first.
Has anyone else had this happen to them and what did they do about it? I found an article that talks about a hybronation file in a directory on the hard disk. The only thing I can think to do is to remove the hard drive and do a clean install again.
Thanks for my rant this morning.
Doug
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Re: Libre office and NVDA
Gene
I had the impression from earlier messages that
your problems were mainly performance problems such as freezes. However,
since you were more specific in later messages, some of your problems appear to
be caused by incomplete accessibility and are in a different category than
performance. We'll see how the discussion develops but my comments were
only meant to apply to performance.
Gene
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Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Libre office and NVDA I am not having these problems in only one computer, version or operating system... I have problems in two different computers, In versions of NVDA from 2015.1 and Libreoffice since version 4and, last but not least, in both Windows XP and 7. To me it seems that the slower the computer, greater are the
annoyances. Em 02/01/2017 12:29, Gene escreveu:
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Epub Editor
kelby carlson
Anyone know of an editor that will let you alter the metadata of EPUB
files that works with NVDA?
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Re: Something strange going on with Windows 10. Machine seems to be in a state of hybronation
Chris
Press esc to view login screen
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Re: Libre office and NVDA
Walmir Schultz <wsautodidata@...>
I am not having these problems in only one computer, version or operating system... I have problems in two different computers, In versions of NVDA from 2015.1 and Libreoffice since version 4and, last but not least, in both Windows XP and 7. To me it seems that the slower the computer, greater are the
annoyances. Em 02/01/2017 12:29, Gene escreveu:
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Re: Something strange going on with Windows 10. Machine seems to be in a state of hybronation
Jacob Kruger
ctrl + alt + delete?
And, maybe also try turning on narrator, just in case? As in windows key + enter, and, see if it reads out anything additional as you then try tab around that lock screen?
Stay well
Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA "Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..." On 2017-01-02 16:27, Douglas Lawlor
wrote:
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Re: off topic: using audacity to merge two files
Felix G.
Hello, I assume you would like to merge two audio files such that the result plays them simultaneously. 1. Open Audacity. An empty project will be shown without any tracks. 2. Press ctrl+shift+i to import a sound file. Do this repeatedly for every file you would like to merge. Every imported file will appear in the project as a separate track. 3. Save. 4. Export. Kind regards, Felix Grützmacher Governor staten <govsta@...> schrieb am So., 1. Jan. 2017 um 23:01 Uhr:
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LibreOffice Writer Annoyances - The beginning
Walmir Schultz <wsautodidata@...>
In a trial version of MS Office I saw the the toggling between browse and edit mode using the INSERT+SPACE works like in web pages.
In a Writer document this is not possible, even if you are using all header styles, lists etc. This make the navigation in large documents very difficult.
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Re: Libre office and NVDA
Gene
You can't conclude anything based on one use with
one computer. That's why beta testing is done by a lot of people on a lot
of different machines. All we can say is that you have problems on the
machine you use with that combination of software. Since others like using
this combination and don't complain of such problems, it is likely that either
the problems you describe are your specific problems and not general or that
they affect only a small number of users. But generalizing about
performance problems from one person's experience is not valid.
There is nothing wrong with describing your
problems and saying that that is your experience, but generalizing is not
valid.
Gene
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From: Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 6:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Libre office and NVDA I already mentioned many of them in this group. But, with so many "annoyances" while using LibreOffice along with NVDA and having to restart NVDA at every moment to overcome this issues, I only find the word incompatibility to describe all the problems. I am very sad to use this term, but maybe by doing so the issues will receive some attention, maybe the same attention MS Office has. As anyone can see, at every new version of NVDA there are many improvements in regard to Microsoft software, but nothing related to LibreOffice. I must say that without NVDA I cannot use a computer and I am very grateful for that. But, as I can use many, many other programs without any problem, my conclusion is that NVDA and LibreOffice are not fully compatible. Em 31/12/2016 13:18, Mallard escreveu: > Whaaaaaaaaat? No way!!! I've been using Libre Office and NVDA for at > least three years, and they're absolutely compatible! There might be > some slight problems every now and then, but it's crazy to say they're > not compatible!!! > > For goodness sake, don't make the same mistake I used to make... When > I was unable to have something work the way I expected, I started > screaming that the programme was not accessible... Then I realised it > was me... (big smile). > > Please, reconsider your statement carefully; do some more > experimenting, and be happy with your Libere Office! > > Ollie > > > > > > Il 31/12/2016 12:56, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io ha scritto: >> >> I am very sorry to say, but LibreOffice and NVDA are not compatible >> software. >> >> There are many messages about these problems in this mailing list. >> >> >> >> Em 29/12/2016 14:48, The Gamages escreveu: >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> My apologies if this is not the correct address for this subject. >>> >>> I am using the latest NVDA and Libre office Writer. >>> >>> I am in the process of recording articles about libre office writer >>> using NVDA as screen reader for the magazine called “Talking >>> Computers”, >>> >>> Mostly, NVDA does a good job with some work arounds in some areas, >>> Iamb about to cover the subject of tables and have encountered an >>> anomaly with NVDA announcing rows incorrectly under certain >>> conditions. If more than one line is required in a cell, whether >>> allowing the line to wrap or if forced to do so by pressing enter, >>> NVDA announces the next row as if the extra line or lines in the >>> previous cell are rows, so, if, for instance, I start in row one and >>> type two lines in this cell, the next row down is announced as row >>> three, even though there are only two rows in the table. >>> >>> If I now delete this row which is being announced as row three and >>> re insert it, it will read correctly as row two. >>> >>> It seems that NVDA is recognising extra lines in a cell as rows, so >>> the actual row below is announced incorrectly. >>> >>> This only happens if more than one row is present in the original >>> table, if I start with only one row, then pressing tab at the end of >>> the table will create another row as normal and it announces >>> correctly as row two. >>> >>> Incidentally, the same thing happens if I start at any row In a >>> table, not just the first one. >>> >>> I have tried this with Jaws and this announces cells as A1, A2 etc >>> as if it was a spread sheet, but it does indicate the rows correctly >>> even with multiple lines in a cell. >>> >>> Once again, my apologies if this is not the correct place for this >>> message, if that is the case could you please direct me to the >>> correct address, thank you very much. >>> >>> Best Regards, Jim. >>> >> >> > > > >
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