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Re: Repetition.

CJ
 

Hi,

no. Windows 8.1 if this helps.

My regards,

On 06/01/2017 23:34, Arlene wrote:

Hi there: Is this for windows ten?

 cj.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of CJ
Sent: January-06-17 7:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Repetition.

 

Thank you for that Brian,

that makes sense to me as a probable cause. Thank you, CJ.

On 06/01/2017 15:24, Brian's Mail list account wrote:

Well sometimes this happens if the bit which is focussed  refreshes.
For example, when  I see items load into the system tray, but focus is on a desktop item, every time there is a new item in the tray, the desktop item is read again.
For example, when dropbox or google drive start it can take a while for their icon to appear in the tray, so if documents or computer is highlighted, it says it again each time the tray updates.
I notice it on windows 7 and ten, but do not have 8
On the other hand I do have a laptop running xp which when it shuts down has the falling tones of nvda twice.
The reason for that one eludes me.

So the answer for you is to discover why the desktop or whatever the item is, maybe the program window title, is refreshed more than once. some programs do this all the time, speed fan being a case in point. However not seen it on firefox  I've not tried the 64 bit version, but of course if the machine has toolbars and add ons in the browser its quite likely as each is initialised it repeats  much in  the same way as the  download library does if its open when a download is in progress.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "CJ" <cj@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 2:50 PM
Subject: [nvda] Repetition.



Hello,

after my old Windows 7 Machine gave up the ghost I had the fortune to
have a spare laptop to hand running on Windows 8.1. This seems to work
quite well apart from when I select a programme, say either Firefox or
Thunderbird. I can access these programmes well enough but for reasons I
do not fully understand when selecting say Thunderbird it will repeat
Thunderbird 4 times before shutting up and allowing me to start using
the selected option. I assume that I have made an error when setting
this machine up and am at a loss as to what setting is causing this
repetition problem. If anybody has experienced similar problems along
similar lines to my experience could somebody please advise me how they
rectified this problem or what I have got wrong? Any suggestions and
advice would be most welcome. Thank you, regards, CJ.





 



Re: Repetition.

CJ
 

Hi,

thank you for that. Food for thought and this machine is not the quickest  of laptops so you may have made a good point.

Thanks for the thought, my regards, CJ.

On 07/01/2017 09:44, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
That is true of course. I have noticed though that often if for example some high load task is happening or the machine is quite slow like a single core machine that it normally repeats the program title at least twice but until some seconds after the final repetition the program is not usable, indeed trying to do so can move one back to the desktop.

On a fast say four core machine, this only happens when a windows update is installing or dropbox is busy doing an update as both of these things pinch a lot of processor time and memory access time.
If the effect goes on all the time I'd also expect huge lags in the file list scrolling in explorer, which is another process that gives away the fact that something is running slowly.
Might be an idea if its a fast machine to check the idle speed settings in windows for the processor. These, on some laptops seem to be set very low and do not rise it seems as quickly as one might wish when the system gets loaded. You can customise the idle speed of the processor in a scheme and I always go for 100 percent if its a desktop.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Repetition.


I don't think that is what is being described.  Evidently, when a program opens, the name of the program is repeated a number of times before the program can be worked with.  My question, and noone may know, is if this makes any practical difference.  In other words, even if the name of the program weren't repeated a number of times, the program might still not be able to be worked with for the same period of time or about the same period even if this repetition didn't occur.

In other words, we don't know if this repetition occurs while the program is opening or after it has opened.
Gene
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Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 9:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Repetition.


Well sometimes this happens if the bit which is focussed  refreshes.
For example, when  I see items load into the system tray, but focus is on a
desktop item, every time there is a new item in the tray, the desktop item
is read again.
For example, when dropbox or google drive start it can take a while for
their icon to appear in the tray, so if documents or computer is
highlighted, it says it again each time the tray updates.
I notice it on windows 7 and ten, but do not have 8
On the other hand I do have a laptop running xp which when it shuts down
has the falling tones of nvda twice.
The reason for that one eludes me.

So the answer for you is to discover why the desktop or whatever the item
is, maybe the program window title, is refreshed more than once. some
programs do this all the time, speed fan being a case in point. However not
seen it on firefox  I've not tried the 64 bit version, but of course if the
machine has toolbars and add ons in the browser its quite likely as each is
initialised it repeats  much in  the same way as the  download library does
if its open when a download is in progress.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "CJ" <cj@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 2:50 PM
Subject: [nvda] Repetition.


Hello,

after my old Windows 7 Machine gave up the ghost I had the fortune to
have a spare laptop to hand running on Windows 8.1. This seems to work
quite well apart from when I select a programme, say either Firefox or
Thunderbird. I can access these programmes well enough but for reasons I
do not fully understand when selecting say Thunderbird it will repeat
Thunderbird 4 times before shutting up and allowing me to start using
the selected option. I assume that I have made an error when setting
this machine up and am at a loss as to what setting is causing this
repetition problem. If anybody has experienced similar problems along
similar lines to my experience could somebody please advise me how they
rectified this problem or what I have got wrong? Any suggestions and
advice would be most welcome. Thank you, regards, CJ.











Re: All in one laser printers that work with NVDA

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Actually, and this is a very broad statement. Normally a standard driver in windows can be used rather than the bespoke one that comes with the printer. It can, then in the main be all done through windows with no need for the special software at all. Of course things like toner low warnings and the like could get missed, but one might hope that in the main the basics are configurable from windows, otherwise how would any software use the printer if it needed some settings to be altered?

I do feel that manufacturers are being a bit daft when they only give instructions on how to do things from the touch screen, when in reality in most cases there are other ways.

Having said that though, the ones to watch for awkwardness ar those which operate on the network directly, either using wifi or wired. My experience has been that a good old usb printer plugged into a computer gives far fewer grey hairs to the operator be they sighted or not!

After all any old pc running windows 7 cast off from a friend can be used as a server on the network which is now what I do with my hp.

I think there are still printers out there which do not have lcd or touch screens so go for one of those, but you can still find any additional software is very patchy access wise.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 4:36 PM
Subject: [nvda] All in one laser printers that work with NVDA


Hi everyone,
I am currently looking for an all in one laser printer. I purchased a printer a few months ago, but it is not accessible and requires you to do everything through the LCD screen and the menus. Even the software to install it onto my computer is not accessible, so I cannot even use it with my computer. Does anyone know of an all in one laser printer that is accessible? I don't mind if I can't use the functions on the printer it's self, but as long as I can install it on my computer and use it that way, that would be great. I would like it also to be capable of wireless printing with my iPhone, but but it doesn't have to have that capability. I just need an accessible printer that will work with NVDA and that is a laser all in one that does both scanning and printing.
Thank you,


Misty Bradley

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http:tactibilities.wordpress.com
and
http://theblindconsumer.wordpress.com
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Re: Repetition.

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

That is true of course. I have noticed though that often if for example some high load task is happening or the machine is quite slow like a single core machine that it normally repeats the program title at least twice but until some seconds after the final repetition the program is not usable, indeed trying to do so can move one back to the desktop.

On a fast say four core machine, this only happens when a windows update is installing or dropbox is busy doing an update as both of these things pinch a lot of processor time and memory access time.
If the effect goes on all the time I'd also expect huge lags in the file list scrolling in explorer, which is another process that gives away the fact that something is running slowly.
Might be an idea if its a fast machine to check the idle speed settings in windows for the processor. These, on some laptops seem to be set very low and do not rise it seems as quickly as one might wish when the system gets loaded. You can customise the idle speed of the processor in a scheme and I always go for 100 percent if its a desktop.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Repetition.


I don't think that is what is being described. Evidently, when a program opens, the name of the program is repeated a number of times before the program can be worked with. My question, and noone may know, is if this makes any practical difference. In other words, even if the name of the program weren't repeated a number of times, the program might still not be able to be worked with for the same period of time or about the same period even if this repetition didn't occur.

In other words, we don't know if this repetition occurs while the program is opening or after it has opened.
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 9:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Repetition.


Well sometimes this happens if the bit which is focussed refreshes.
For example, when I see items load into the system tray, but focus is on a
desktop item, every time there is a new item in the tray, the desktop item
is read again.
For example, when dropbox or google drive start it can take a while for
their icon to appear in the tray, so if documents or computer is
highlighted, it says it again each time the tray updates.
I notice it on windows 7 and ten, but do not have 8
On the other hand I do have a laptop running xp which when it shuts down
has the falling tones of nvda twice.
The reason for that one eludes me.

So the answer for you is to discover why the desktop or whatever the item
is, maybe the program window title, is refreshed more than once. some
programs do this all the time, speed fan being a case in point. However not
seen it on firefox I've not tried the 64 bit version, but of course if the
machine has toolbars and add ons in the browser its quite likely as each is
initialised it repeats much in the same way as the download library does
if its open when a download is in progress.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "CJ" <cj@azabat.org.uk>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 2:50 PM
Subject: [nvda] Repetition.


Hello,

after my old Windows 7 Machine gave up the ghost I had the fortune to
have a spare laptop to hand running on Windows 8.1. This seems to work
quite well apart from when I select a programme, say either Firefox or
Thunderbird. I can access these programmes well enough but for reasons I
do not fully understand when selecting say Thunderbird it will repeat
Thunderbird 4 times before shutting up and allowing me to start using
the selected option. I assume that I have made an error when setting
this machine up and am at a loss as to what setting is causing this
repetition problem. If anybody has experienced similar problems along
similar lines to my experience could somebody please advise me how they
rectified this problem or what I have got wrong? Any suggestions and
advice would be most welcome. Thank you, regards, CJ.


direct tv now service with nvda?

 

Hello does any one on here use direct tv now?

if so can you please get in touch with me? I am trying to figure out how to play a live stream using google chrome

thanks

Hank


Re: about firefox 50 and compatibility with previous versions of nvda

Arlene
 

I just now seen them.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: January-06-17 4:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about firefox 50 and compatibility with previous versions of nvda

 

Yes.  Did you read the quoted messages below mine if you for some reason didn't see the preceeding ones?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene

Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 5:32 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] about firefox 50 and compatibility with previous versions of nvda

 

Hi there: Do you mean Youtube? Just asking because I’m not receiving mail to my inbox.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: January-06-17 7:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about firefox 50 and compatibility with previous versions of nvda

 

But have you compared Firefox with other browsers on Youtub e?  And are you talking about browsing the site or a problem that occurs when something is streaming. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: majno

Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 9:54 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] about firefox 50 and compatibility with previous versions of nvda

 

I notice the same. in youtube for example. may be is the new nvda 4 then?   

 

El 06-Jan-17 a las 10:40 AM, Gene escribió:

I have only seen this on two web sites and I'm asking if others have noticed this.  It appears that at least a small number of web sites may have changed their code recently and are very slow when used with Firefox and NVDA.  I haven't tested enough with other screen-readers to say if the problem occurs when using other screen-readers.  Whatever the case, I'm curious if others have noticed this problem.  It doesn't occur with chrome or the old version of Internet Explorer I have.  This problem is not restricted to new versions of Firefox.  I tested on a very old version, version 21, and the same problem occurred. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 9:29 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] about firefox 50 and compatibility with previous versions of nvda

 

Well, what is the issue with espeak new generation. I have to say I do not
notice any  problems that cannot be sorted by a few dctionary  changes, but
that of course is in English.
 I think they will be missing out on a lot of functionality if the version
of nvda is sleft old.Much better to report the issues in espeak on an nvda
ticket and get it fixed.

Having said that, just trying it quickly with a portable version of the old
nvda. 50 seems to work ok, but may have some issues that only show up in
some cases.
 Brian

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From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 12:06 PM
Subject: [nvda] about firefox 50 and compatibility with previous versions of
nvda


> hello every one.
> one of my friends use nvda 2016.1 and she is not satisfied with the
> new espeak ng to upgrade her nvda.
> if she wants to use firefox 50 with nvda is it possible?
> does she experience inconsistance behaviour using nvda 2016.1 with nvda or
> not?
> myself, even i tried nvda 2015.4 with firefox 49 without any problem.
> but remember that in the list i heard about some incompatibility of
> nvda with firefox 50 before nvda version 2016.4
> could you please help me in this regard?
> thanks so much and God bless you all!
>
> --
> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
> in the very authentic narration is:
> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
> al-islam.org
>
>
>

 


Re: All in one laser printers that work with NVDA

 

Well if you want something that just works any network unit will do it.
I have a now old hp laser jet pro 1212nf mfp unit.
Its got ok scanning not the best but second to best for a mono laser, same for copy,a fax which I never used and such.
The software on it is not the latest and you will have to fiddle round with the software from the website, but as long as you find the right button and you can get used to it I had to, the software itself just runs, you will have to say no to the servey and other spyware but it just works.

On 7/01/2017 5:36 a.m., MistyDBradley@gmail.com wrote:
Hi everyone,
I am currently looking for an all in one laser printer. I purchased a printer a few months ago, but it is not accessible and requires you to do everything through the LCD screen and the menus. Even the software to install it onto my computer is not accessible, so I cannot even use it with my computer. Does anyone know of an all in one laser printer that is accessible? I don't mind if I can't use the functions on the printer it's self, but as long as I can install it on my computer and use it that way, that would be great. I would like it also to be capable of wireless printing with my iPhone, but but it doesn't have to have that capability. I just need an accessible printer that will work with NVDA and that is a laser all in one that does both scanning and printing.
Thank you,


Misty Bradley

Visit my blogs at:
http:tactibilities.wordpress.com
and
http://theblindconsumer.wordpress.com
Find me on Facebook at:
http://facebook.com/tactibilities
Sent from my iPhone

.


Re: about firefox 50 and compatibility with previous versions of nvda

 

Just use the latest version.
If she can get the older version well.
To be honest I got used to 16.4, its still a bit ergggh but its not that bad, a lot of the really bad stuff is gone the real thing is I really don't want to have to copy the old data back.
If she doesn't want to, she can download any version of espeak of sourceforge and just install it with the voices she wants and use that.
Ofcause the actual sapi and non orgmented espeak is a bit harsher.

On 7/01/2017 1:06 a.m., nasrin khaksar wrote:
hello every one.
one of my friends use nvda 2016.1 and she is not satisfied with the
new espeak ng to upgrade her nvda.
if she wants to use firefox 50 with nvda is it possible?
does she experience inconsistance behaviour using nvda 2016.1 with nvda or not?
myself, even i tried nvda 2015.4 with firefox 49 without any problem.
but remember that in the list i heard about some incompatibility of
nvda with firefox 50 before nvda version 2016.4
could you please help me in this regard?
thanks so much and God bless you all!


Re: about firefox 50 and compatibility with previous versions of nvda

Gene
 

Yes.  Did you read the quoted messages below mine if you for some reason didn't see the preceeding ones?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Arlene
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about firefox 50 and compatibility with previous versions of nvda

Hi there: Do you mean Youtube? Just asking because I’m not receiving mail to my inbox.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: January-06-17 7:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about firefox 50 and compatibility with previous versions of nvda

 

But have you compared Firefox with other browsers on Youtub e?  And are you talking about browsing the site or a problem that occurs when something is streaming. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: majno

Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 9:54 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] about firefox 50 and compatibility with previous versions of nvda

 

I notice the same. in youtube for example. may be is the new nvda 4 then?   

 

El 06-Jan-17 a las 10:40 AM, Gene escribió:

I have only seen this on two web sites and I'm asking if others have noticed this.  It appears that at least a small number of web sites may have changed their code recently and are very slow when used with Firefox and NVDA.  I haven't tested enough with other screen-readers to say if the problem occurs when using other screen-readers.  Whatever the case, I'm curious if others have noticed this problem.  It doesn't occur with chrome or the old version of Internet Explorer I have.  This problem is not restricted to new versions of Firefox.  I tested on a very old version, version 21, and the same problem occurred. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 9:29 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] about firefox 50 and compatibility with previous versions of nvda

 

Well, what is the issue with espeak new generation. I have to say I do not
notice any  problems that cannot be sorted by a few dctionary  changes, but
that of course is in English.
 I think they will be missing out on a lot of functionality if the version
of nvda is sleft old.Much better to report the issues in espeak on an nvda
ticket and get it fixed.

Having said that, just trying it quickly with a portable version of the old
nvda. 50 seems to work ok, but may have some issues that only show up in
some cases.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 12:06 PM
Subject: [nvda] about firefox 50 and compatibility with previous versions of
nvda


> hello every one.
> one of my friends use nvda 2016.1 and she is not satisfied with the
> new espeak ng to upgrade her nvda.
> if she wants to use firefox 50 with nvda is it possible?
> does she experience inconsistance behaviour using nvda 2016.1 with nvda or
> not?
> myself, even i tried nvda 2015.4 with firefox 49 without any problem.
> but remember that in the list i heard about some incompatibility of
> nvda with firefox 50 before nvda version 2016.4
> could you please help me in this regard?
> thanks so much and God bless you all!
>
> --
> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
> in the very authentic narration is:
> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
> al-islam.org
>
>
>


 


Re: Repetition.

Arlene
 

Hi there: Is this for windows ten?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of CJ
Sent: January-06-17 7:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Repetition.

 

Thank you for that Brian,

that makes sense to me as a probable cause. Thank you, CJ.

On 06/01/2017 15:24, Brian's Mail list account wrote:

Well sometimes this happens if the bit which is focussed  refreshes.
For example, when  I see items load into the system tray, but focus is on a desktop item, every time there is a new item in the tray, the desktop item is read again.
For example, when dropbox or google drive start it can take a while for their icon to appear in the tray, so if documents or computer is highlighted, it says it again each time the tray updates.
I notice it on windows 7 and ten, but do not have 8
On the other hand I do have a laptop running xp which when it shuts down has the falling tones of nvda twice.
The reason for that one eludes me.

So the answer for you is to discover why the desktop or whatever the item is, maybe the program window title, is refreshed more than once. some programs do this all the time, speed fan being a case in point. However not seen it on firefox  I've not tried the 64 bit version, but of course if the machine has toolbars and add ons in the browser its quite likely as each is initialised it repeats  much in  the same way as the  download library does if its open when a download is in progress.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "CJ" <cj@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 2:50 PM
Subject: [nvda] Repetition.



Hello,

after my old Windows 7 Machine gave up the ghost I had the fortune to
have a spare laptop to hand running on Windows 8.1. This seems to work
quite well apart from when I select a programme, say either Firefox or
Thunderbird. I can access these programmes well enough but for reasons I
do not fully understand when selecting say Thunderbird it will repeat
Thunderbird 4 times before shutting up and allowing me to start using
the selected option. I assume that I have made an error when setting
this machine up and am at a loss as to what setting is causing this
repetition problem. If anybody has experienced similar problems along
similar lines to my experience could somebody please advise me how they
rectified this problem or what I have got wrong? Any suggestions and
advice would be most welcome. Thank you, regards, CJ.





 


Re: about firefox 50 and compatibility with previous versions of nvda

Arlene
 

Hi there: Do you mean Youtube? Just asking because I’m not receiving mail to my inbox.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: January-06-17 7:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about firefox 50 and compatibility with previous versions of nvda

 

But have you compared Firefox with other browsers on Youtub e?  And are you talking about browsing the site or a problem that occurs when something is streaming. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: majno

Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 9:54 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] about firefox 50 and compatibility with previous versions of nvda

 

I notice the same. in youtube for example. may be is the new nvda 4 then?   

 

El 06-Jan-17 a las 10:40 AM, Gene escribió:

I have only seen this on two web sites and I'm asking if others have noticed this.  It appears that at least a small number of web sites may have changed their code recently and are very slow when used with Firefox and NVDA.  I haven't tested enough with other screen-readers to say if the problem occurs when using other screen-readers.  Whatever the case, I'm curious if others have noticed this problem.  It doesn't occur with chrome or the old version of Internet Explorer I have.  This problem is not restricted to new versions of Firefox.  I tested on a very old version, version 21, and the same problem occurred. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 9:29 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] about firefox 50 and compatibility with previous versions of nvda

 

Well, what is the issue with espeak new generation. I have to say I do not
notice any  problems that cannot be sorted by a few dctionary  changes, but
that of course is in English.
 I think they will be missing out on a lot of functionality if the version
of nvda is sleft old.Much better to report the issues in espeak on an nvda
ticket and get it fixed.

Having said that, just trying it quickly with a portable version of the old
nvda. 50 seems to work ok, but may have some issues that only show up in
some cases.
 Brian

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From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
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Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 12:06 PM
Subject: [nvda] about firefox 50 and compatibility with previous versions of
nvda


> hello every one.
> one of my friends use nvda 2016.1 and she is not satisfied with the
> new espeak ng to upgrade her nvda.
> if she wants to use firefox 50 with nvda is it possible?
> does she experience inconsistance behaviour using nvda 2016.1 with nvda or
> not?
> myself, even i tried nvda 2015.4 with firefox 49 without any problem.
> but remember that in the list i heard about some incompatibility of
> nvda with firefox 50 before nvda version 2016.4
> could you please help me in this regard?
> thanks so much and God bless you all!
>
> --
> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
> in the very authentic narration is:
> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
> al-islam.org
>
>
>


 


Re: All in one laser printers that work with NVDA

 

Misty,

           Might I ask you to reveal the make and model of the Laser Multi-Function Printer-Scanner-FAX that you can't use?  Having this sort of information is as valuable for knowing what to avoid, at least at a given point in time, as knowing what does work.

           I've had good luck with Canon's products, but have never gone the laser route in their product line.

Brian


All in one laser printers that work with NVDA

MistyDBradley@gmail.com <mistydbradley@...>
 

Hi everyone,
I am currently looking for an all in one laser printer. I purchased a printer a few months ago, but it is not accessible and requires you to do everything through the LCD screen and the menus. Even the software to install it onto my computer is not accessible, so I cannot even use it with my computer. Does anyone know of an all in one laser printer that is accessible? I don't mind if I can't use the functions on the printer it's self, but as long as I can install it on my computer and use it that way, that would be great. I would like it also to be capable of wireless printing with my iPhone, but but it doesn't have to have that capability. I just need an accessible printer that will work with NVDA and that is a laser all in one that does both scanning and printing.
Thank you,


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Re: about firefox 50 and compatibility with previous versions of nvda

 

hi every one again.
thanks so much brian and gene for your help.
i remember that in this list i read that because of the regression in
firefox accessibility, some problems occured when we use nvda 2016.3
and previous version with firefox 50.
can you explane it for me?

On 1/6/17, majno <alfred.hl@gmail.com> wrote:
I feel one or two month ago navigating for sites like youtube or xataka
(a site in spanish) was faster than now. and using jaws the speed moving
throw links is faster than nvda.


testing with internet explorer. i see that nvda don't say the video
duration in youtube


El 06-Jan-17 a las 10:59 AM, Gene escribió:
But have you compared Firefox with other browsers on Youtub e? And
are you talking about browsing the site or a problem that occurs when
something is streaming.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* majno <mailto:alfred.hl@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Friday, January 06, 2017 9:54 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] about firefox 50 and compatibility with previous
versions of nvda

I notice the same. in youtube for example. may be is the new nvda 4 then?


El 06-Jan-17 a las 10:40 AM, Gene escribió:
I have only seen this on two web sites and I'm asking if others have
noticed this. It appears that at least a small number of web sites
may have changed their code recently and are very slow when used with
Firefox and NVDA. I haven't tested enough with other screen-readers
to say if the problem occurs when using other screen-readers.
Whatever the case, I'm curious if others have noticed this problem.
It doesn't occur with chrome or the old version of Internet Explorer
I have. This problem is not restricted to new versions of Firefox.
I tested on a very old version, version 21, and the same problem
occurred.
Gene
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*Subject:* Re: [nvda] about firefox 50 and compatibility with
previous versions of nvda

Well, what is the issue with espeak new generation. I have to say I
do not
notice any problems that cannot be sorted by a few dctionary
changes, but
that of course is in English.
I think they will be missing out on a lot of functionality if the
version
of nvda is sleft old.Much better to report the issues in espeak on an
nvda
ticket and get it fixed.

Having said that, just trying it quickly with a portable version of
the old
nvda. 50 seems to work ok, but may have some issues that only show up in
some cases.
Brian

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<mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>>
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Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 12:06 PM
Subject: [nvda] about firefox 50 and compatibility with previous
versions of
nvda


hello every one.
one of my friends use nvda 2016.1 and she is not satisfied with the
new espeak ng to upgrade her nvda.
if she wants to use firefox 50 with nvda is it possible?
does she experience inconsistance behaviour using nvda 2016.1 with
nvda or
not?
myself, even i tried nvda 2015.4 with firefox 49 without any problem.
but remember that in the list i heard about some incompatibility of
nvda with firefox 50 before nvda version 2016.4
could you please help me in this regard?
thanks so much and God bless you all!

--
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in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
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al-islam.org


Re: about firefox 50 and compatibility with previous versions of nvda

majno
 

I feel one or two month ago navigating for sites like youtube or xataka (a site in spanish) was faster than now. and using jaws the speed moving throw links is faster than nvda.


testing with internet explorer. i see that nvda don't say the video duration in youtube


El 06-Jan-17 a las 10:59 AM, Gene escribió:
But have you compared Firefox with other browsers on Youtub e?  And are you talking about browsing the site or a problem that occurs when something is streaming. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: majno
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about firefox 50 and compatibility with previous versions of nvda

I notice the same. in youtube for example. may be is the new nvda 4 then?   


El 06-Jan-17 a las 10:40 AM, Gene escribió:
I have only seen this on two web sites and I'm asking if others have noticed this.  It appears that at least a small number of web sites may have changed their code recently and are very slow when used with Firefox and NVDA.  I haven't tested enough with other screen-readers to say if the problem occurs when using other screen-readers.  Whatever the case, I'm curious if others have noticed this problem.  It doesn't occur with chrome or the old version of Internet Explorer I have.  This problem is not restricted to new versions of Firefox.  I tested on a very old version, version 21, and the same problem occurred. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about firefox 50 and compatibility with previous versions of nvda

Well, what is the issue with espeak new generation. I have to say I do not
notice any  problems that cannot be sorted by a few dctionary  changes, but
that of course is in English.
 I think they will be missing out on a lot of functionality if the version
of nvda is sleft old.Much better to report the issues in espeak on an nvda
ticket and get it fixed.

Having said that, just trying it quickly with a portable version of the old
nvda. 50 seems to work ok, but may have some issues that only show up in
some cases.
 Brian

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Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 12:06 PM
Subject: [nvda] about firefox 50 and compatibility with previous versions of
nvda


> hello every one.
> one of my friends use nvda 2016.1 and she is not satisfied with the
> new espeak ng to upgrade her nvda.
> if she wants to use firefox 50 with nvda is it possible?
> does she experience inconsistance behaviour using nvda 2016.1 with nvda or
> not?
> myself, even i tried nvda 2015.4 with firefox 49 without any problem.
> but remember that in the list i heard about some incompatibility of
> nvda with firefox 50 before nvda version 2016.4
> could you please help me in this regard?
> thanks so much and God bless you all!
>
> --
> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
> in the very authentic narration is:
> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
> al-islam.org
>
>
>






Re: about firefox 50 and compatibility with previous versions of nvda

Gene
 

But have you compared Firefox with other browsers on Youtub e?  And are you talking about browsing the site or a problem that occurs when something is streaming. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: majno
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about firefox 50 and compatibility with previous versions of nvda

I notice the same. in youtube for example. may be is the new nvda 4 then?   


El 06-Jan-17 a las 10:40 AM, Gene escribió:
I have only seen this on two web sites and I'm asking if others have noticed this.  It appears that at least a small number of web sites may have changed their code recently and are very slow when used with Firefox and NVDA.  I haven't tested enough with other screen-readers to say if the problem occurs when using other screen-readers.  Whatever the case, I'm curious if others have noticed this problem.  It doesn't occur with chrome or the old version of Internet Explorer I have.  This problem is not restricted to new versions of Firefox.  I tested on a very old version, version 21, and the same problem occurred. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about firefox 50 and compatibility with previous versions of nvda

Well, what is the issue with espeak new generation. I have to say I do not
notice any  problems that cannot be sorted by a few dctionary  changes, but
that of course is in English.
 I think they will be missing out on a lot of functionality if the version
of nvda is sleft old.Much better to report the issues in espeak on an nvda
ticket and get it fixed.

Having said that, just trying it quickly with a portable version of the old
nvda. 50 seems to work ok, but may have some issues that only show up in
some cases.
 Brian

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Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 12:06 PM
Subject: [nvda] about firefox 50 and compatibility with previous versions of
nvda


> hello every one.
> one of my friends use nvda 2016.1 and she is not satisfied with the
> new espeak ng to upgrade her nvda.
> if she wants to use firefox 50 with nvda is it possible?
> does she experience inconsistance behaviour using nvda 2016.1 with nvda or
> not?
> myself, even i tried nvda 2015.4 with firefox 49 without any problem.
> but remember that in the list i heard about some incompatibility of
> nvda with firefox 50 before nvda version 2016.4
> could you please help me in this regard?
> thanks so much and God bless you all!
>
> --
> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
> in the very authentic narration is:
> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
> al-islam.org
>
>
>





Re: about firefox 50 and compatibility with previous versions of nvda

majno
 

I notice the same. in youtube for example. may be is the new nvda 4 then?   


El 06-Jan-17 a las 10:40 AM, Gene escribió:
I have only seen this on two web sites and I'm asking if others have noticed this.  It appears that at least a small number of web sites may have changed their code recently and are very slow when used with Firefox and NVDA.  I haven't tested enough with other screen-readers to say if the problem occurs when using other screen-readers.  Whatever the case, I'm curious if others have noticed this problem.  It doesn't occur with chrome or the old version of Internet Explorer I have.  This problem is not restricted to new versions of Firefox.  I tested on a very old version, version 21, and the same problem occurred. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about firefox 50 and compatibility with previous versions of nvda

Well, what is the issue with espeak new generation. I have to say I do not
notice any  problems that cannot be sorted by a few dctionary  changes, but
that of course is in English.
 I think they will be missing out on a lot of functionality if the version
of nvda is sleft old.Much better to report the issues in espeak on an nvda
ticket and get it fixed.

Having said that, just trying it quickly with a portable version of the old
nvda. 50 seems to work ok, but may have some issues that only show up in
some cases.
 Brian

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Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 12:06 PM
Subject: [nvda] about firefox 50 and compatibility with previous versions of
nvda


> hello every one.
> one of my friends use nvda 2016.1 and she is not satisfied with the
> new espeak ng to upgrade her nvda.
> if she wants to use firefox 50 with nvda is it possible?
> does she experience inconsistance behaviour using nvda 2016.1 with nvda or
> not?
> myself, even i tried nvda 2015.4 with firefox 49 without any problem.
> but remember that in the list i heard about some incompatibility of
> nvda with firefox 50 before nvda version 2016.4
> could you please help me in this regard?
> thanks so much and God bless you all!
>
> --
> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
> in the very authentic narration is:
> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
> al-islam.org
>
>
>





Re: about firefox 50 and compatibility with previous versions of nvda

Gene
 

I have only seen this on two web sites and I'm asking if others have noticed this.  It appears that at least a small number of web sites may have changed their code recently and are very slow when used with Firefox and NVDA.  I haven't tested enough with other screen-readers to say if the problem occurs when using other screen-readers.  Whatever the case, I'm curious if others have noticed this problem.  It doesn't occur with chrome or the old version of Internet Explorer I have.  This problem is not restricted to new versions of Firefox.  I tested on a very old version, version 21, and the same problem occurred. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about firefox 50 and compatibility with previous versions of nvda

Well, what is the issue with espeak new generation. I have to say I do not
notice any  problems that cannot be sorted by a few dctionary  changes, but
that of course is in English.
 I think they will be missing out on a lot of functionality if the version
of nvda is sleft old.Much better to report the issues in espeak on an nvda
ticket and get it fixed.

Having said that, just trying it quickly with a portable version of the old
nvda. 50 seems to work ok, but may have some issues that only show up in
some cases.
 Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 12:06 PM
Subject: [nvda] about firefox 50 and compatibility with previous versions of
nvda


> hello every one.
> one of my friends use nvda 2016.1 and she is not satisfied with the
> new espeak ng to upgrade her nvda.
> if she wants to use firefox 50 with nvda is it possible?
> does she experience inconsistance behaviour using nvda 2016.1 with nvda or
> not?
> myself, even i tried nvda 2015.4 with firefox 49 without any problem.
> but remember that in the list i heard about some incompatibility of
> nvda with firefox 50 before nvda version 2016.4
> could you please help me in this regard?
> thanks so much and God bless you all!
>
> --
> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
> in the very authentic narration is:
> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
> al-islam.org
>
>
>




Re: NVDA crashed

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I have a Behringer sound box on usb as the only connected, but there is also the inbuilt motherboard driven surround device, and for some odd reason on the last update of nvda next, the behringer was changed to sound mapper, but although this should have resulted in it still working as the default was the behringer, it failed and shoved it through the mother board one instead. This last install it has left it alone and so it has worked.
This of course might also be a symptom of the original issue some have with corruption of the .ini file at times. it seems as if part of a default and part of the configured one can end up in the working file producing odd results at times.
I do not know if this is being done via python or C, but I suspect some data is left in a buffer some place that causes these weird happenings from time to time.
Brian

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Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA crashed


The ms sound mapper is the right card to be honest, its fine as long as you don't need to switch to another card or have a default sound card or something that card is usually the windows default one which is only a problem if things are not connected right.



On 6/01/2017 7:11 a.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
I thought so until this morning when I updated to the new next snap and
all speech stopped. It looks to me like there is a new routine that is
processing the .ini file in the latest build, however what it seems to
have done is altered the sound card selected in windows 7 so it says
microsoft sound mapper not behringer speakers as I had. Now of course
since I was not expecting this to occur, I had not looked at the ini
file to see if it had corrupted, but certainly the sound was cut off as
the new version launched leving me to restart the machiene as all sound
unknown to me was being sent out to the default windows device not the
one selected and used by me previously. weird or what? Needless to say,
a reboot of the computer put things back, but the tell tale in the first
run after the update showed the .ini file had the wrong sound device
selected. I think they will need to watch this as it really should not
change anything in the .ini file until its checked in windows what is
being used.
brian

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Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA crashed


Hello,
it might have been the ini file, or the synthesizer crashed, in which
case
NVDA will be smart enough to use Espeak as fallback so as not to get the
user stranded in silence.
Kind regards,
Felix

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Sometimes the .ini file gets corrupted. I don't know hy though.
Brian

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Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 12:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA crashed


Thanks that did it. Don't know why my choice of syn changed.

On 1/4/2017 6:18 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Don,

The Synthesizer dialog is where you can specify the synthesizer being
used. Press NVDA+CONTROL+S to open this dialog and select the
correct
synth.

After that, you can use NVDA+CONTROL+V to open the voice settings
dialog
to customise the chosen synth and change its voice behaviour.

Is that what you were after?

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 4:15 AM, Don H <lmddh50@comcast.net
<mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net>> wrote:

I had NVDA set to use access32 as my speech syn and it was
working
great. Today when I started NVDA I was back to the original
Espeak
voice. Not sure what happened but I forgot how to install the
access32 syn. It is a bit strange in that Access32 is still
in my
addon list and it shows as running. How do I reinstall
Access32 >> to
resolve this issue? I am running the latest version of NVDA on a
Win 10 system.
Thanks






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Re: Repetition.

CJ
 

Thank you for that Brian,

that makes sense to me as a probable cause. Thank you, CJ.

On 06/01/2017 15:24, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Well sometimes this happens if the bit which is focussed  refreshes.
For example, when  I see items load into the system tray, but focus is on a desktop item, every time there is a new item in the tray, the desktop item is read again.
For example, when dropbox or google drive start it can take a while for their icon to appear in the tray, so if documents or computer is highlighted, it says it again each time the tray updates.
I notice it on windows 7 and ten, but do not have 8
On the other hand I do have a laptop running xp which when it shuts down has the falling tones of nvda twice.
The reason for that one eludes me.

So the answer for you is to discover why the desktop or whatever the item is, maybe the program window title, is refreshed more than once. some programs do this all the time, speed fan being a case in point. However not seen it on firefox  I've not tried the 64 bit version, but of course if the machine has toolbars and add ons in the browser its quite likely as each is initialised it repeats  much in  the same way as the  download library does if its open when a download is in progress.
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Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 2:50 PM
Subject: [nvda] Repetition.


Hello,

after my old Windows 7 Machine gave up the ghost I had the fortune to
have a spare laptop to hand running on Windows 8.1. This seems to work
quite well apart from when I select a programme, say either Firefox or
Thunderbird. I can access these programmes well enough but for reasons I
do not fully understand when selecting say Thunderbird it will repeat
Thunderbird 4 times before shutting up and allowing me to start using
the selected option. I assume that I have made an error when setting
this machine up and am at a loss as to what setting is causing this
repetition problem. If anybody has experienced similar problems along
similar lines to my experience could somebody please advise me how they
rectified this problem or what I have got wrong? Any suggestions and
advice would be most welcome. Thank you, regards, CJ.