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Re: Changing NVDA's Voice

Dejan Ristic
 

In order to open the Voice settings menu, press:


NVDA plus Control plus V. Tab around so that you can find what you wish in order to set your voice preferences.


On 1/9/2017 11:01 PM, Dave Grossoehme wrote:
What’s the key board command to change the voice in NVDA.  I made an update today in Windows 10 and it seems like the voice of NVDA has changed.  I could not find the command in the user’s guide from what I can understand of the existing voice.  In this case can someone help please?Your Friend Dave
 




Changing NVDA's Voice

Dave Grossoehme
 

What’s the key board command to change the voice in NVDA.  I made an update today in Windows 10 and it seems like the voice of NVDA has changed.  I could not find the command in the user’s guide from what I can understand of the existing voice.  In this case can someone help please?Your Friend Dave
 


Toast notification in portable version of nvda?

Roger Stewart
 

I have found that Toast Notifications are never spoken when I run a portable version of nvda with the latest version of nvda and the latest stable version of win 10 apps add on. My installed copy of nvda on the same machine reads them all just fine. Has anyone else found this happening to them? Please report it if you find this.


Thanks.


Roger


Re: a good news for people who want use previous versions of nvda with firefox 50!

Gene
 

You made an error.  It does work.  The easiest way to find the item is to type autoc and that's it, in the search field then tab once.
down arrow and up arrow once.  You will b on the correct item and it will be selected.
Press enter.
That's all you have to do.
 

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2017 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a good news for people who want use previous versions of nvda with firefox 50!

Hello,

I just tried the solution and it didn't work.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin khaksar
Sent: Monday, January 9, 2017 12:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] a good news for people who want use previous versions of nvda with firefox 50!

hello every one.
today i downloaded firefox 50 to test it with previous versions of nvda.
i searched more than 40 minutes to find the emails about regression in firefox 50 using nvda and eventually found it!
i remember that the issue is about typing address bar.
when typing address bar and delete the last character, nvda announces all characters except deleted one!
and when we want to navigate between letters of address with left and right arrow keys, nvda says navigation toolbar before the focused character!
today, i found a solution for it!
type in address bar
about:config
press enter and accept the warning about your work.
in the search bar, type
browser.urlbar.autocomplete.enabled
press enter on it to set it to false.
because the default value is true.
now, you can use firefox 50 with any versions of nvda that you want easily!
but if you want to be upto date and always use the latest versions of firefox, after release of firefox 51 in almost two weeks later, you need to install nvda 2016.4 and later versions because multiprocess is nos enabled for accessibility in firefox 51 and later.
for this reason, nvda 2016.4 and newer support this feature.

• In Firefox with multi-process enabled, browse mode and editable text fields now function correctly.
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6380
--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org








Re: a good news for people who want use previous versions of nvda with firefox 50!

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hello,

I just tried the solution and it didn't work.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin khaksar
Sent: Monday, January 9, 2017 12:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] a good news for people who want use previous versions of nvda with firefox 50!

hello every one.
today i downloaded firefox 50 to test it with previous versions of nvda.
i searched more than 40 minutes to find the emails about regression in firefox 50 using nvda and eventually found it!
i remember that the issue is about typing address bar.
when typing address bar and delete the last character, nvda announces all characters except deleted one!
and when we want to navigate between letters of address with left and right arrow keys, nvda says navigation toolbar before the focused character!
today, i found a solution for it!
type in address bar
about:config
press enter and accept the warning about your work.
in the search bar, type
browser.urlbar.autocomplete.enabled
press enter on it to set it to false.
because the default value is true.
now, you can use firefox 50 with any versions of nvda that you want easily!
but if you want to be upto date and always use the latest versions of firefox, after release of firefox 51 in almost two weeks later, you need to install nvda 2016.4 and later versions because multiprocess is nos enabled for accessibility in firefox 51 and later.
for this reason, nvda 2016.4 and newer support this feature.

• In Firefox with multi-process enabled, browse mode and editable text fields now function correctly.
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6380
--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org


Re: a good news for people who want use previous versions of nvda with firefox 50!

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

This is good to know. Thanks for the tip.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin khaksar
Sent: Monday, January 9, 2017 12:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] a good news for people who want use previous versions of nvda with firefox 50!

hello every one.
today i downloaded firefox 50 to test it with previous versions of nvda.
i searched more than 40 minutes to find the emails about regression in firefox 50 using nvda and eventually found it!
i remember that the issue is about typing address bar.
when typing address bar and delete the last character, nvda announces all characters except deleted one!
and when we want to navigate between letters of address with left and right arrow keys, nvda says navigation toolbar before the focused character!
today, i found a solution for it!
type in address bar
about:config
press enter and accept the warning about your work.
in the search bar, type
browser.urlbar.autocomplete.enabled
press enter on it to set it to false.
because the default value is true.
now, you can use firefox 50 with any versions of nvda that you want easily!
but if you want to be upto date and always use the latest versions of firefox, after release of firefox 51 in almost two weeks later, you need to install nvda 2016.4 and later versions because multiprocess is nos enabled for accessibility in firefox 51 and later.
for this reason, nvda 2016.4 and newer support this feature.

• In Firefox with multi-process enabled, browse mode and editable text fields now function correctly.
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6380
--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org


Re: GUI positioning

 

Hi,

Some depends on GUI toolkit in use (NVDA uses wxPython, the Python implementation of wxWidgets).

I prefer not to use absolute coordinates on screen (that’s what x and y are), preferring to let the GUI toolkit arrange things on screen once I tell it how it should do it. In my case, before writing GUI code, I do some preliminary design on paper (at least sitting down and thinking about spacing, overall layout and what not), and then I investigate best options or workarounds.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Damien Sykes-Lindley
Sent: Monday, January 9, 2017 6:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] GUI positioning

 

Hi there,

How do these actually help in programming a GUI though? Won’t these tools merely inform you of where you have put the controls (In other words, if you programmed a control at X=1000, Y=1000, won’t they tell you that this control is at X=1000 Y=1000?)

How do you know whether these are valid positions, whether they will fit on all screens, whether they look well made, whether they are fairly spaced etc.

Having never had any sight the workings of screens and mice are completely alien to me. All I know is one is a display and one is a complicated kind of navigator. Lol.

I guess this is why, no matter how many times I read the documentation, I can’t get to grips with the different navigation methods of NVDA, or any other screen reader that I may have used in the past. I don’t even know how navigation works, I just know how to do it on a basic system level.

Cheers.
Damien.

 

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 3:23 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] GUI positioning

 

Hi,

Another handy method is using screen review and object location command (NVDA+Numpad Delete).

I have investigated the ability for NVDA to tell you object coordinates via beeps, but stalled due to the fact that a major refactor must be done in order to properly support this kind of work. The best option, apart from Golden Cursor, is Audio Themes 3D add-on.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 2:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] GUI positioning

 

Damien, while I primarily work in web dev, where I can either use inline layout, or, at times, use CSS to hard-code, or let elements hover, in the past I did also work with VS.Net versions, where you could sort of handle layout using arrow keys, etc., but, if working with GUI's at moment, I primary work with layout by code, using wx under python - named after Monty Python, FWIW - but, yes, I was sighted before, so I still visualise layout a lot.

 

However, for a simplistic rendition of pixel coordinates, I tell people to consider something like a chess board, for X and Y layout visualisation, and, under wxPython, you can also query layout coordinates, widths, etc., or, while it's been a little while, I used layout grids to make sure elements lined up next to each other, and didn't hover over each other, but anyway.

 

Also, if you install the golden cursor add-on for NVDA, you can query mouse coordinate positions easily enough, but, it really comes down to finding something that you yourself are comfortable with, and, yes, with python I just work with text editors, etc., and, no form of IDE as such, but anyway.

 

Stay well

 

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-12-24 12:01, Damien Sykes-Lindley wrote:

Hi there,

Interesting question.

Wasn’t sure where to post this (It covers software development, though not of NVDA itself so the NVDA development list didn’t seem appropriate. It could possibly cover addons, but again I don’t know, so with this being a general NVDA list I thought I’d post it here and see what became of it).

There are several things I want to learn in my trip down programmer’s lane, one of which is creating GUIs.

Now I am aware that NVDA is made using Python. Of course, due to the nature of Python (indeed, in my opinion, snake-like), building GUI’s with that will probably be a lot different to building GUI’s in other languages.

In my language of choice, I am stuck with either inaccessible GUI builders or manual coding with numeric representations of controls.

Regardless of what API you use (Windows, WX etc), you’ve got to have some idea of what the numeric representations mean. In Windows I believe it refers to pixels, of which I haven’t a clue about.

In any case. Once the numeric system is sorted there’s then the issue of knowing how the window might look. My program will be no good whatsoever if all the gui is read by NVDA, then I find out from a sighted person that it looks like nothing more than a broken down pile of rubble.

I am aware that NVDA comes with an object log, enabling you to see the state, position and other attributes of a highlighted control. Again though, these are only numeric, probably the same values you’ve coded in yourself.

Of course, there are many things to consider as well. You have to know what the minimum and maximum values are. You have to know whether your GUI will fit on a screen. Whether the controls overlap. Whether the controls and text are big enough to see.

Is there a more detailed system that allows you to look at the GUI the way a sighted person might see it? I was originally thinking an accessible GUI builder might be nice, representing controls, their positions and sizes, and gaps in between them represented audibly. But again, the builder would have to be programmed to code the result in several different languages – not exactly the best system. If NVDA itself could somehow give you that information with a GUI that you have already made though, that would be amazing.

Is there such a system available, either internally or as an addon, and if not, would it even be feasible?

Thanks.

Damien.

 


Re: GUI positioning

Damien Sykes-Lindley <damien@...>
 

Hi there,
How do these actually help in programming a GUI though? Won’t these tools merely inform you of where you have put the controls (In other words, if you programmed a control at X=1000, Y=1000, won’t they tell you that this control is at X=1000 Y=1000?)
How do you know whether these are valid positions, whether they will fit on all screens, whether they look well made, whether they are fairly spaced etc.
Having never had any sight the workings of screens and mice are completely alien to me. All I know is one is a display and one is a complicated kind of navigator. Lol.
I guess this is why, no matter how many times I read the documentation, I can’t get to grips with the different navigation methods of NVDA, or any other screen reader that I may have used in the past. I don’t even know how navigation works, I just know how to do it on a basic system level.
Cheers.
Damien.
 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] GUI positioning
 

Hi,

Another handy method is using screen review and object location command (NVDA+Numpad Delete).

I have investigated the ability for NVDA to tell you object coordinates via beeps, but stalled due to the fact that a major refactor must be done in order to properly support this kind of work. The best option, apart from Golden Cursor, is Audio Themes 3D add-on.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 2:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] GUI positioning

 

Damien, while I primarily work in web dev, where I can either use inline layout, or, at times, use CSS to hard-code, or let elements hover, in the past I did also work with VS.Net versions, where you could sort of handle layout using arrow keys, etc., but, if working with GUI's at moment, I primary work with layout by code, using wx under python - named after Monty Python, FWIW - but, yes, I was sighted before, so I still visualise layout a lot.

 

However, for a simplistic rendition of pixel coordinates, I tell people to consider something like a chess board, for X and Y layout visualisation, and, under wxPython, you can also query layout coordinates, widths, etc., or, while it's been a little while, I used layout grids to make sure elements lined up next to each other, and didn't hover over each other, but anyway.

 

Also, if you install the golden cursor add-on for NVDA, you can query mouse coordinate positions easily enough, but, it really comes down to finding something that you yourself are comfortable with, and, yes, with python I just work with text editors, etc., and, no form of IDE as such, but anyway.

 

Stay well

 

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-12-24 12:01, Damien Sykes-Lindley wrote:

Hi there,

Interesting question.

Wasn’t sure where to post this (It covers software development, though not of NVDA itself so the NVDA development list didn’t seem appropriate. It could possibly cover addons, but again I don’t know, so with this being a general NVDA list I thought I’d post it here and see what became of it).

There are several things I want to learn in my trip down programmer’s lane, one of which is creating GUIs.

Now I am aware that NVDA is made using Python. Of course, due to the nature of Python (indeed, in my opinion, snake-like), building GUI’s with that will probably be a lot different to building GUI’s in other languages.

In my language of choice, I am stuck with either inaccessible GUI builders or manual coding with numeric representations of controls.

Regardless of what API you use (Windows, WX etc), you’ve got to have some idea of what the numeric representations mean. In Windows I believe it refers to pixels, of which I haven’t a clue about.

In any case. Once the numeric system is sorted there’s then the issue of knowing how the window might look. My program will be no good whatsoever if all the gui is read by NVDA, then I find out from a sighted person that it looks like nothing more than a broken down pile of rubble.

I am aware that NVDA comes with an object log, enabling you to see the state, position and other attributes of a highlighted control. Again though, these are only numeric, probably the same values you’ve coded in yourself.

Of course, there are many things to consider as well. You have to know what the minimum and maximum values are. You have to know whether your GUI will fit on a screen. Whether the controls overlap. Whether the controls and text are big enough to see.

Is there a more detailed system that allows you to look at the GUI the way a sighted person might see it? I was originally thinking an accessible GUI builder might be nice, representing controls, their positions and sizes, and gaps in between them represented audibly. But again, the builder would have to be programmed to code the result in several different languages – not exactly the best system. If NVDA itself could somehow give you that information with a GUI that you have already made though, that would be amazing.

Is there such a system available, either internally or as an addon, and if not, would it even be feasible?

Thanks.

Damien.

 


Re: a good news for people who want use previous versions of nvda with firefox 50!

Gene
 

That's good that you found the solution.  But you don't have to do all that typing.  Just type the first two words browser.url and then tab once to the results.  You'll find it.  Either you'll be on the right one or you'll be able to move through the list to the right one. It wouldn't be much of a search feature if you had to do all that typing to search for something.   I just tried it and typing what I said means you have to down arrow two or three times in the list to find it.  Of course, someone can do all that typing if someone wishes, but this is considerably easier and it's important to know this when using the search in general.  It's like any other search.  The more you type, the more likely you are to be on exactly what you want in the results.  but the more you type, the more cumbersome the typing is. 
 

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2017 2:15 AM
Subject: [nvda] a good news for people who want use previous versions of nvda with firefox 50!

hello every one.
today i downloaded firefox 50 to test it with previous versions of nvda.
i searched more than 40 minutes to find the emails about regression in
firefox 50 using nvda and eventually found it!
i remember that the issue is about typing address bar.
when typing address bar and delete the last character, nvda announces
all characters except deleted one!
and when we want to navigate between letters of address with left and
right arrow keys, nvda says navigation toolbar before the focused
character!
today, i found a solution for it!
type in address bar
about:config
press enter and accept the warning about your work.
in the search bar, type
browser.urlbar.autocomplete.enabled
press enter on it to set it to false.
because the default value is true.
now, you can use firefox 50 with any versions of nvda that you want easily!
but if you want to be upto date and always use the latest versions of firefox,
after release of firefox 51 in almost two weeks later, you need to
install nvda 2016.4 and later versions because multiprocess is nos
enabled for accessibility in firefox 51 and later.
for this reason, nvda 2016.4 and newer support this feature.

• In Firefox with multi-process enabled, browse mode and editable text
fields now function correctly.
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6380
--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




Re: NVDA and desktop keyboards without Home and End keys

Shawn Bever
 

Thanks Brian, I'll take a good look at that documentation.

Shawn
On 1/8/2017 9:32 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Gentlemen, have a look at the Logitech K780 Setup Guide (which I'm presuming will be accessible with a screen reader, and the information I'm about to mention is in tables), paying particular attention to PDF page 7 (6, too, but after looking at 7), where it discusses that many of the keys you're mentioning are a 2-key press because this keyboard is both compact and set up such that it can be used with Windows, Mac, and Android and the 2-key presses to get, say INSERT if you're connected to Windows and the keyboard has been told this, will get something else if you are connected to either Mac or Android and the appropriate "switch computer context" keystroke has been issued to allow the keyboard to know it's connected to a different OS that needs certain keys to be interpreted differently.

This probably isn't the best keyboard if you are working exclusively with one computing environment because of the 2-key presses needed because of its context switching capabilities.  It's really handy, though, if you want to be able to connect either via Bluetooth or their "unifying dongle" to devices sporting diverse OS-es and to be able to reconfigure the keyboard accordingly at "the flip of a switch" (actually, the press of a flip sequence).

Brian



a good news for people who want use previous versions of nvda with firefox 50!

 

hello every one.
today i downloaded firefox 50 to test it with previous versions of nvda.
i searched more than 40 minutes to find the emails about regression in
firefox 50 using nvda and eventually found it!
i remember that the issue is about typing address bar.
when typing address bar and delete the last character, nvda announces
all characters except deleted one!
and when we want to navigate between letters of address with left and
right arrow keys, nvda says navigation toolbar before the focused
character!
today, i found a solution for it!
type in address bar
about:config
press enter and accept the warning about your work.
in the search bar, type
browser.urlbar.autocomplete.enabled
press enter on it to set it to false.
because the default value is true.
now, you can use firefox 50 with any versions of nvda that you want easily!
but if you want to be upto date and always use the latest versions of firefox,
after release of firefox 51 in almost two weeks later, you need to
install nvda 2016.4 and later versions because multiprocess is nos
enabled for accessibility in firefox 51 and later.
for this reason, nvda 2016.4 and newer support this feature.

• In Firefox with multi-process enabled, browse mode and editable text
fields now function correctly.
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6380
--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: Repetition.

 

Windows often says stuff is not responding, most cases it means that the program is just doing something and you have to wait for it if it continues to be that way then its crashed.
Ofcause windows will time out before any program does, the backup software for one of the server drives here takes longer to load then the os thinks so windows always wants to end the program because its not responding, if I wait enough it will run.
And thunderbird has a long start time to.

On 9/01/2017 8:27 a.m., Travis Siegel wrote:
I've oticed (especially with thunderbird) that when the program is busy,
NVDA defaults to the desktop instead of the application. Sometimes, I'll
get notifications that a particular program isn't responding, though I
have no idea what triggers these messages, since sometimes, these
messages show up after only a second or two after telling the program in
question to do something. It's likely the double speak is happening
when the program is busy, and NVDA simply reads the title of the window
again, as it flashes or something, to let the sighted user know it's not
locked up, just busy.


On 1/7/2017 4:44 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
That is true of course. I have noticed though that often if for
example some high load task is happening or the machine is quite slow
like a single core machine that it normally repeats the program title
at least twice but until some seconds after the final repetition the
program is not usable, indeed trying to do so can move one back to the
desktop.

On a fast say four core machine, this only happens when a windows
update is installing or dropbox is busy doing an update as both of
these things pinch a lot of processor time and memory access time.
If the effect goes on all the time I'd also expect huge lags in the
file list scrolling in explorer, which is another process that gives
away the fact that something is running slowly.
Might be an idea if its a fast machine to check the idle speed
settings in windows for the processor. These, on some laptops seem to
be set very low and do not rise it seems as quickly as one might wish
when the system gets loaded. You can customise the idle speed of the
processor in a scheme and I always go for 100 percent if its a desktop.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Repetition.


I don't think that is what is being described. Evidently, when a
program opens, the name of the program is repeated a number of times
before the program can be worked with. My question, and noone may
know, is if this makes any practical difference. In other words, even
if the name of the program weren't repeated a number of times, the
program might still not be able to be worked with for the same period
of time or about the same period even if this repetition didn't occur.

In other words, we don't know if this repetition occurs while the
program is opening or after it has opened.
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 9:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Repetition.


Well sometimes this happens if the bit which is focussed refreshes.
For example, when I see items load into the system tray, but focus is
on a
desktop item, every time there is a new item in the tray, the desktop
item
is read again.
For example, when dropbox or google drive start it can take a while for
their icon to appear in the tray, so if documents or computer is
highlighted, it says it again each time the tray updates.
I notice it on windows 7 and ten, but do not have 8
On the other hand I do have a laptop running xp which when it shuts down
has the falling tones of nvda twice.
The reason for that one eludes me.

So the answer for you is to discover why the desktop or whatever the item
is, maybe the program window title, is refreshed more than once. some
programs do this all the time, speed fan being a case in point.
However not
seen it on firefox I've not tried the 64 bit version, but of course
if the
machine has toolbars and add ons in the browser its quite likely as
each is
initialised it repeats much in the same way as the download library
does
if its open when a download is in progress.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "CJ" <cj@azabat.org.uk>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 2:50 PM
Subject: [nvda] Repetition.


Hello,

after my old Windows 7 Machine gave up the ghost I had the fortune to
have a spare laptop to hand running on Windows 8.1. This seems to work
quite well apart from when I select a programme, say either Firefox or
Thunderbird. I can access these programmes well enough but for reasons I
do not fully understand when selecting say Thunderbird it will repeat
Thunderbird 4 times before shutting up and allowing me to start using
the selected option. I assume that I have made an error when setting
this machine up and am at a loss as to what setting is causing this
repetition problem. If anybody has experienced similar problems along
similar lines to my experience could somebody please advise me how they
rectified this problem or what I have got wrong? Any suggestions and
advice would be most welcome. Thank you, regards, CJ.









Re: All in one laser printers that work with NVDA

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Actually, it's nott a laser, but I have a networked inkjet brother all in one printer, and I can access it via the network, and tell it to do all kinds of things, including print, scan, fax and the like. I actually like the network interface quite a bit. It does require me to connect to the printer on the telnet port, and instead of entering a username/password combo, I simply hit enter, then all is usable via a menu system that is presented to me. It doesn't have access to every single option the printer has, but it's generally enough to get the job done.

hth.

On 1/7/2017 4:53 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Actually, and this is a very broad statement. Normally a standard driver in windows can be used rather than the bespoke one that comes with the printer. It can, then in the main be all done through windows with no need for the special software at all. Of course things like toner low warnings and the like could get missed, but one might hope that in the main the basics are configurable from windows, otherwise how would any software use the printer if it needed some settings to be altered?

I do feel that manufacturers are being a bit daft when they only give instructions on how to do things from the touch screen, when in reality in most cases there are other ways.

Having said that though, the ones to watch for awkwardness ar those which operate on the network directly, either using wifi or wired. My experience has been that a good old usb printer plugged into a computer gives far fewer grey hairs to the operator be they sighted or not!

After all any old pc running windows 7 cast off from a friend can be used as a server on the network which is now what I do with my hp.

I think there are still printers out there which do not have lcd or touch screens so go for one of those, but you can still find any additional software is very patchy access wise.
Brian

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Subject: [nvda] All in one laser printers that work with NVDA


Hi everyone,
I am currently looking for an all in one laser printer. I purchased a printer a few months ago, but it is not accessible and requires you to do everything through the LCD screen and the menus. Even the software to install it onto my computer is not accessible, so I cannot even use it with my computer. Does anyone know of an all in one laser printer that is accessible? I don't mind if I can't use the functions on the printer it's self, but as long as I can install it on my computer and use it that way, that would be great. I would like it also to be capable of wireless printing with my iPhone, but but it doesn't have to have that capability. I just need an accessible printer that will work with NVDA and that is a laser all in one that does both scanning and printing.
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Re: Repetition.

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

I've oticed (especially with thunderbird) that when the program is busy, NVDA defaults to the desktop instead of the application. Sometimes, I'll get notifications that a particular program isn't responding, though I have no idea what triggers these messages, since sometimes, these messages show up after only a second or two after telling the program in question to do something. It's likely the double speak is happening when the program is busy, and NVDA simply reads the title of the window again, as it flashes or something, to let the sighted user know it's not locked up, just busy.

On 1/7/2017 4:44 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
That is true of course. I have noticed though that often if for example some high load task is happening or the machine is quite slow like a single core machine that it normally repeats the program title at least twice but until some seconds after the final repetition the program is not usable, indeed trying to do so can move one back to the desktop.

On a fast say four core machine, this only happens when a windows update is installing or dropbox is busy doing an update as both of these things pinch a lot of processor time and memory access time.
If the effect goes on all the time I'd also expect huge lags in the file list scrolling in explorer, which is another process that gives away the fact that something is running slowly.
Might be an idea if its a fast machine to check the idle speed settings in windows for the processor. These, on some laptops seem to be set very low and do not rise it seems as quickly as one might wish when the system gets loaded. You can customise the idle speed of the processor in a scheme and I always go for 100 percent if its a desktop.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
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Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Repetition.


I don't think that is what is being described. Evidently, when a program opens, the name of the program is repeated a number of times before the program can be worked with. My question, and noone may know, is if this makes any practical difference. In other words, even if the name of the program weren't repeated a number of times, the program might still not be able to be worked with for the same period of time or about the same period even if this repetition didn't occur.

In other words, we don't know if this repetition occurs while the program is opening or after it has opened.
Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Repetition.


Well sometimes this happens if the bit which is focussed refreshes.
For example, when I see items load into the system tray, but focus is on a
desktop item, every time there is a new item in the tray, the desktop item
is read again.
For example, when dropbox or google drive start it can take a while for
their icon to appear in the tray, so if documents or computer is
highlighted, it says it again each time the tray updates.
I notice it on windows 7 and ten, but do not have 8
On the other hand I do have a laptop running xp which when it shuts down
has the falling tones of nvda twice.
The reason for that one eludes me.

So the answer for you is to discover why the desktop or whatever the item
is, maybe the program window title, is refreshed more than once. some
programs do this all the time, speed fan being a case in point. However not
seen it on firefox I've not tried the 64 bit version, but of course if the
machine has toolbars and add ons in the browser its quite likely as each is
initialised it repeats much in the same way as the download library does
if its open when a download is in progress.
Brian

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Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 2:50 PM
Subject: [nvda] Repetition.


Hello,

after my old Windows 7 Machine gave up the ghost I had the fortune to
have a spare laptop to hand running on Windows 8.1. This seems to work
quite well apart from when I select a programme, say either Firefox or
Thunderbird. I can access these programmes well enough but for reasons I
do not fully understand when selecting say Thunderbird it will repeat
Thunderbird 4 times before shutting up and allowing me to start using
the selected option. I assume that I have made an error when setting
this machine up and am at a loss as to what setting is causing this
repetition problem. If anybody has experienced similar problems along
similar lines to my experience could somebody please advise me how they
rectified this problem or what I have got wrong? Any suggestions and
advice would be most welcome. Thank you, regards, CJ.





Re: NVDA and desktop keyboards without Home and End keys

 

Gentlemen, have a look at the Logitech K780 Setup Guide (which I'm presuming will be accessible with a screen reader, and the information I'm about to mention is in tables), paying particular attention to PDF page 7 (6, too, but after looking at 7), where it discusses that many of the keys you're mentioning are a 2-key press because this keyboard is both compact and set up such that it can be used with Windows, Mac, and Android and the 2-key presses to get, say INSERT if you're connected to Windows and the keyboard has been told this, will get something else if you are connected to either Mac or Android and the appropriate "switch computer context" keystroke has been issued to allow the keyboard to know it's connected to a different OS that needs certain keys to be interpreted differently.

This probably isn't the best keyboard if you are working exclusively with one computing environment because of the 2-key presses needed because of its context switching capabilities.  It's really handy, though, if you want to be able to connect either via Bluetooth or their "unifying dongle" to devices sporting diverse OS-es and to be able to reconfigure the keyboard accordingly at "the flip of a switch" (actually, the press of a flip sequence).

Brian


Re: NVDA and desktop keyboards without Home and End keys

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Oh, Logitech, did they not have some special driver for this? Its been a while. I have come across keyboards both like this and with no context key etc, which is a real pain. The worst is the Dolphin original large key keyboard with loads of keys not there at all.
Brian

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Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2017 6:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and desktop keyboards without Home and End keys


Hi Brian,


Yes, the keyboard has a full numeric keypad, it's the Logitech K780.
Question is, how do I get these to behave as Home, End, Page up and so
on for editing functions instead of behaving as NVDA navigating commands?


Shawn

On 1/4/2017 8:22 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Shawn,

Did this keyboard also not have a numeric keypad? On most
keyboards, including some full sized ones, where there is no 6-pack of
"hard keys" for the functions you name these are a standard feature on
the numeric keypad when number lock is off. The general configuration
is zero - insert, decimal point - delete, one - end, three - page
down, seven - home, and nine- page up. two four six and eight are the
down, left, up, and right arrow functions, respectively.

A great many regular desktop keyboards work this way, most,
I'd say.

Brian


Re: Repetition.

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I don't know about 8 but I found it by searching in control panel in both 7 and 10. Its relatively easy, but is paart of the advanced power settings and called something else on later systems. I think its only on multi core machines, at least I've not looked for it in xp for my older machines so I'd imagine it was put in at windows 7.
You get processor idle speed for the three different schemes I think, and none of them seems to be more than 50 percent. Jacking it up to 100 eems to make explorer file scrolling more instant, though if you have several windows open you can still get the wrong file. I'd suspect this is memory access related in some way.
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Repetition.


hi how do you adjust that processor speed on a desktop computer?
What I mean is where do you go and find this on your system and can someone do this on there own or do they have to have someone that knows what they are doing go in and adjust the processor speed?


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For Rui from Tiflotecnia: Error in Vocalizer License

Mallard <mallard@...>
 

Hello Rui,

I'm writing on list, as this might interest someone else as well.

For quite a few days now - possibly since the beginning of this eyar -, every time I open NVDA I get a Vocalizer error, with a message that says my license cannot be verified.

Every time I re-enter my credentials, I'm told the license is valid, but on the next launch of NVDA the thing comes back.

Is there something I should/could do to avoid this?

Thanks, Happy New Year to you!
Ollie


Re: NVDA and desktop keyboards without Home and End keys

Quentin Christensen
 

Hmm, that's really tricky - as you say, the keyboard appears to have a number pad but no dedicated home / end / page up / page down keys aside from that.  The keys at the right of the very top row do insert and delete.  It would be tricky to use NVDA out of the box as even the laptop layout assumes you have access to those keys.  You *could* use the input gestures dialog to reassign commands to use other keys although that would be frustrating to setup.  I wonder if logitech make a similar keyboard which does have those keys?

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 5:56 PM, Shawn Bever <shawn.bever@...> wrote:

Quintan,


It's the Logitech K780.

Shawn
On 1/4/2017 9:10 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
You could use NVDA+f2 to pass through the next command which would enable using the number pad keys for navigation.  This would get tedious if you used it frequently, though.  NVDA's laptop layout doesn't use the number pad.  Another option if there was an NVDA command which you didn't have a key for on your particular keyboard, is to use NVDA's input gestures to define a new keystroke for that particular command.

Without knowing the specific keyboard in question, it's hard to recommend an exact solution.

Regards

Quentin.


On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 3:41 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Even if there were a numpad, NVDA takes over the numpad for other uses as does Window-eyes.  If you are using JAWS and you have a numpad, you can use the keys as described. 
 
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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and desktop keyboards without Home and End keys

Shawn,

         Did this keyboard also not have a numeric keypad?  On most keyboards, including some full sized ones, where there is no 6-pack of "hard keys" for the functions you name these are a standard feature on the numeric keypad when number lock is off.  The general configuration is zero - insert, decimal point - delete, one - end, three - page down, seven - home, and nine- page up.  two four six and eight are the down, left, up, and right arrow functions, respectively.

         A great many regular desktop keyboards work this way, most, I'd say.

Brian




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Re: irc client that works with nvda.

Devin Prater
 

If you use Firefox already, try Chatzilla, the Firefox IRC addon. It works wonderfully with NVDA, without any need of scripts.

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On January 8, 2017 1:14:07 AM "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@gmail.com> wrote:

mIRC seems to work well with NVDA

http://mirc.co.uk



On 8/01/2017 06:34, Norman wrote:
Hi.

The subject line says it all. Looking for an irc client that is screen
reader friendly.

Any thoughts?