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Re: Accessible Internet Speed Test

Gene
 

I'm not sure if I remember this correctly but as far as I know, whether things like mbps are written in capital or small letters determines what the unit of measure is.  Someone else may provide definite information.
 
Gene

Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

Sorry, they measure in bits, not bytes.  If you want bytes per second, you'll need to divide by 10 (must allow for start and stop bits for each byte) to get your speed in bytes per second.  Sorry for the confusion.  Most things mean bits when they say MBPS.  I guess bigger numbers sound better, so ...


On 1/12/2017 3:24 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:

These guys measure in bytes per second. 

You'll also likely need to round to the nearest 100.  I.E. my download came in at 27.63MBPS.  I know my download is 25 MBPS actually, so rounding to the nearest 100 would actually give me 27MBPS, but apparently I just hit a good timeframe on the network,.  On the other hand, my upload speed came in at 4.59MBPS, which I also know should be 5MBPS, so rounding to the nearest 100 would give accurate results on that one.  I'm guessing my provider doesn't optimize for uploads. :)



On 1/12/2017 1:15 PM, Kostadin Kolev wrote:

Hello,

Go to:

http://beta.speedtest.net

This is beta, but it is good enough. It is based on HTML5 technology, if I'm not mistaking. Find the link labeled "GO!" and activate it. The internet speed test will start. You'll be notified when it is completed and the results from it. But you can manually read the results on the page - find the link labeled "Again" and read the information after it - it contains the test results.

Note, that if you are using Firefox for the testing, NVDA may get a lot chatty during the test and repeat that the test is over 50% completed a lot of times. Use Internet Explorer to do the testing if you don't want to hear all that chattiness - it does not occur in it. Hmm, could this chattiness be a Firefox issue? Maybe we should report it?

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


На 12.1.2017 г. в 19:15, Brandon Keith Biggs написа:
Hello,
Does anyone know of an accessible internet speed test? Most of the speed tests I have found only show speeds in a flash frame.
Thanks,






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Re: OCR software?

Dave Grossoehme
 

Good Afternoon: You might check out the programs link on www://jaws-users.com and see if this is the program you are looking for.
Y our Friend Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: kelby carlson
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 10:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR software?

That isn't the PDF2TXt being referred to. The program may not be online anymore.

On 1/12/17, Doug Parisian <eggmann@...> wrote:
While slightly off topic for this list, I might end the diversion,
respectfully of course, by providing the following link for the Image to
tedxt conversion package. The assumption is that if you want to read print,

you have means of scanning it and then processing the image through the
software.

With all the programming wizzards on this list, perhaps someone can provide

a way for combo printer-scanners to integrate? Just a thought!
https://www.dropbox.com/s/9cvb52w0wfgwyqm/p2tsetup.exe?dl=1

-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Stewart
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 10:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR software?

Also, can those who know the OCR engine that is use in PDF 2 TXT please
give me the link to get it or at least give me the name of the OCR
engine so I can search for it?

Thanks.

Roger











On 1/11/2017 5:59 PM, Robert Kingett wrote:
Does anyone have a link to this PDF2TXT installer? I am finding a lot of
third party installers that I am sure have adware in them. I installed
Unchecky to combat this, but still!



.







Re: Accessible Internet Speed Test

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Sorry, they measure in bits, not bytes.  If you want bytes per second, you'll need to divide by 10 (must allow for start and stop bits for each byte) to get your speed in bytes per second.  Sorry for the confusion.  Most things mean bits when they say MBPS.  I guess bigger numbers sound better, so ...


On 1/12/2017 3:24 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:

These guys measure in bytes per second. 

You'll also likely need to round to the nearest 100.  I.E. my download came in at 27.63MBPS.  I know my download is 25 MBPS actually, so rounding to the nearest 100 would actually give me 27MBPS, but apparently I just hit a good timeframe on the network,.  On the other hand, my upload speed came in at 4.59MBPS, which I also know should be 5MBPS, so rounding to the nearest 100 would give accurate results on that one.  I'm guessing my provider doesn't optimize for uploads. :)



On 1/12/2017 1:15 PM, Kostadin Kolev wrote:

Hello,

Go to:

http://beta.speedtest.net

This is beta, but it is good enough. It is based on HTML5 technology, if I'm not mistaking. Find the link labeled "GO!" and activate it. The internet speed test will start. You'll be notified when it is completed and the results from it. But you can manually read the results on the page - find the link labeled "Again" and read the information after it - it contains the test results.

Note, that if you are using Firefox for the testing, NVDA may get a lot chatty during the test and repeat that the test is over 50% completed a lot of times. Use Internet Explorer to do the testing if you don't want to hear all that chattiness - it does not occur in it. Hmm, could this chattiness be a Firefox issue? Maybe we should report it?

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


На 12.1.2017 г. в 19:15, Brandon Keith Biggs написа:
Hello,
Does anyone know of an accessible internet speed test? Most of the speed tests I have found only show speeds in a flash frame.
Thanks,






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Re: Accessible Internet Speed Test

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

These guys measure in bytes per second. 

You'll also likely need to round to the nearest 100.  I.E. my download came in at 27.63MBPS.  I know my download is 25 MBPS actually, so rounding to the nearest 100 would actually give me 27MBPS, but apparently I just hit a good timeframe on the network,.  On the other hand, my upload speed came in at 4.59MBPS, which I also know should be 5MBPS, so rounding to the nearest 100 would give accurate results on that one.  I'm guessing my provider doesn't optimize for uploads. :)



On 1/12/2017 1:15 PM, Kostadin Kolev wrote:

Hello,

Go to:

http://beta.speedtest.net

This is beta, but it is good enough. It is based on HTML5 technology, if I'm not mistaking. Find the link labeled "GO!" and activate it. The internet speed test will start. You'll be notified when it is completed and the results from it. But you can manually read the results on the page - find the link labeled "Again" and read the information after it - it contains the test results.

Note, that if you are using Firefox for the testing, NVDA may get a lot chatty during the test and repeat that the test is over 50% completed a lot of times. Use Internet Explorer to do the testing if you don't want to hear all that chattiness - it does not occur in it. Hmm, could this chattiness be a Firefox issue? Maybe we should report it?

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


На 12.1.2017 г. в 19:15, Brandon Keith Biggs написа:
Hello,
Does anyone know of an accessible internet speed test? Most of the speed tests I have found only show speeds in a flash frame.
Thanks,






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Re: Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

Hello,

It is "megabits per second". That is the speed set by default. I think the user can change it to something else by opening the link "Settings" on the page.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


На 12.1.2017 г. в 22:03, Louis Maher написа:

Folks,

 

In the speed test, does MBPS mean megabytes per second, or megabits per second?

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kostadin Kolev
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 1:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

Hello,

Actually, I think it gives you that information too: The name of your internet service provider and your IP address - they appear one after the other. Just read the information after the link labeled "Again" after the test is done. It starts with the name and location of the server used to do the testing (the end point) - they are links. After that is the name of your internet service provider and after that - your IP address. Then there is some sort of rating information. After that are the results of your internet speed test.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 

На 12.1.2017 г. в 21:04, Brandon Keith Biggs написа:

Hello,

It worked great for me! Thank you!

I would like it if it gave more information like your IP address and whatnot as well, but currently I got all I needed.

Thanks,


 

On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

Hi there: Does this work for all internet isps?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kostadin Kolev
Sent: January-12-17 10:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

Hello,

Go to:

http://beta.speedtest.net

This is beta, but it is good enough. It is based on HTML5 technology, if I'm not mistaking. Find the link labeled "GO!" and activate it. The internet speed test will start. You'll be notified when it is completed and the results from it. But you can manually read the results on the page - find the link labeled "Again" and read the information after it - it contains the test results.

Note, that if you are using Firefox for the testing, NVDA may get a lot chatty during the test and repeat that the test is over 50% completed a lot of times. Use Internet Explorer to do the testing if you don't want to hear all that chattiness - it does not occur in it. Hmm, could this chattiness be a Firefox issue? Maybe we should report it?

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 

На 12.1.2017 г. в 19:15, Brandon Keith Biggs написа:

Hello,

Does anyone know of an accessible internet speed test? Most of the speed tests I have found only show speeds in a flash frame.

Thanks,

 

 

 



Re: Accessible Internet Speed Test

Louis Maher <ljmaher@...>
 

Folks,

 

In the speed test, does MBPS mean megabytes per second, or megabits per second?

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kostadin Kolev
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 1:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

Hello,

Actually, I think it gives you that information too: The name of your internet service provider and your IP address - they appear one after the other. Just read the information after the link labeled "Again" after the test is done. It starts with the name and location of the server used to do the testing (the end point) - they are links. After that is the name of your internet service provider and after that - your IP address. Then there is some sort of rating information. After that are the results of your internet speed test.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 

На 12.1.2017 г. в 21:04, Brandon Keith Biggs написа:

Hello,

It worked great for me! Thank you!

I would like it if it gave more information like your IP address and whatnot as well, but currently I got all I needed.

Thanks,


 

On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

Hi there: Does this work for all internet isps?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kostadin Kolev
Sent: January-12-17 10:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

Hello,

Go to:

http://beta.speedtest.net

This is beta, but it is good enough. It is based on HTML5 technology, if I'm not mistaking. Find the link labeled "GO!" and activate it. The internet speed test will start. You'll be notified when it is completed and the results from it. But you can manually read the results on the page - find the link labeled "Again" and read the information after it - it contains the test results.

Note, that if you are using Firefox for the testing, NVDA may get a lot chatty during the test and repeat that the test is over 50% completed a lot of times. Use Internet Explorer to do the testing if you don't want to hear all that chattiness - it does not occur in it. Hmm, could this chattiness be a Firefox issue? Maybe we should report it?

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 

На 12.1.2017 г. в 19:15, Brandon Keith Biggs написа:

Hello,

Does anyone know of an accessible internet speed test? Most of the speed tests I have found only show speeds in a flash frame.

Thanks,

 

 

 


Re: Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

Hello,

Actually, I think it gives you that information too: The name of your internet service provider and your IP address - they appear one after the other. Just read the information after the link labeled "Again" after the test is done. It starts with the name and location of the server used to do the testing (the end point) - they are links. After that is the name of your internet service provider and after that - your IP address. Then there is some sort of rating information. After that are the results of your internet speed test.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


На 12.1.2017 г. в 21:04, Brandon Keith Biggs написа:

Hello,
It worked great for me! Thank you!
I would like it if it gave more information like your IP address and whatnot as well, but currently I got all I needed.
Thanks,



On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

Hi there: Does this work for all internet isps?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kostadin Kolev
Sent: January-12-17 10:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

Hello,

Go to:

http://beta.speedtest.net

This is beta, but it is good enough. It is based on HTML5 technology, if I'm not mistaking. Find the link labeled "GO!" and activate it. The internet speed test will start. You'll be notified when it is completed and the results from it. But you can manually read the results on the page - find the link labeled "Again" and read the information after it - it contains the test results.

Note, that if you are using Firefox for the testing, NVDA may get a lot chatty during the test and repeat that the test is over 50% completed a lot of times. Use Internet Explorer to do the testing if you don't want to hear all that chattiness - it does not occur in it. Hmm, could this chattiness be a Firefox issue? Maybe we should report it?

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 

На 12.1.2017 г. в 19:15, Brandon Keith Biggs написа:

Hello,

Does anyone know of an accessible internet speed test? Most of the speed tests I have found only show speeds in a flash frame.

Thanks,

 




Re: Accessible Internet Speed Test

Arlene
 

I did as well. It finds your location.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Oliver
Sent: January-12-17 11:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

yes, it does. I just tested it here and found it worked rather well.

 

 

On 13/01/2017 05:31, Arlene wrote:

Hi there: Does this work for all internet isps?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kostadin Kolev
Sent: January-12-17 10:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

Hello,

Go to:

http://beta.speedtest.net

This is beta, but it is good enough. It is based on HTML5 technology, if I'm not mistaking. Find the link labeled "GO!" and activate it. The internet speed test will start. You'll be notified when it is completed and the results from it. But you can manually read the results on the page - find the link labeled "Again" and read the information after it - it contains the test results.

Note, that if you are using Firefox for the testing, NVDA may get a lot chatty during the test and repeat that the test is over 50% completed a lot of times. Use Internet Explorer to do the testing if you don't want to hear all that chattiness - it does not occur in it. Hmm, could this chattiness be a Firefox issue? Maybe we should report it?

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 

На 12.1.2017 г. в 19:15, Brandon Keith Biggs написа:

Hello,

Does anyone know of an accessible internet speed test? Most of the speed tests I have found only show speeds in a flash frame.

Thanks,

 

 


Re: Accessible Internet Speed Test

Shaun Oliver
 

yes, it does. I just tested it here and found it worked rather well.



On 13/01/2017 05:31, Arlene wrote:

Hi there: Does this work for all internet isps?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kostadin Kolev
Sent: January-12-17 10:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

Hello,

Go to:

http://beta.speedtest.net

This is beta, but it is good enough. It is based on HTML5 technology, if I'm not mistaking. Find the link labeled "GO!" and activate it. The internet speed test will start. You'll be notified when it is completed and the results from it. But you can manually read the results on the page - find the link labeled "Again" and read the information after it - it contains the test results.

Note, that if you are using Firefox for the testing, NVDA may get a lot chatty during the test and repeat that the test is over 50% completed a lot of times. Use Internet Explorer to do the testing if you don't want to hear all that chattiness - it does not occur in it. Hmm, could this chattiness be a Firefox issue? Maybe we should report it?

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 

На 12.1.2017 г. в 19:15, Brandon Keith Biggs написа:

Hello,

Does anyone know of an accessible internet speed test? Most of the speed tests I have found only show speeds in a flash frame.

Thanks,

 



Re: Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

Hello,
It worked great for me! Thank you!
I would like it if it gave more information like your IP address and whatnot as well, but currently I got all I needed.
Thanks,

On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

Hi there: Does this work for all internet isps?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kostadin Kolev
Sent: January-12-17 10:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

Hello,

Go to:

http://beta.speedtest.net

This is beta, but it is good enough. It is based on HTML5 technology, if I'm not mistaking. Find the link labeled "GO!" and activate it. The internet speed test will start. You'll be notified when it is completed and the results from it. But you can manually read the results on the page - find the link labeled "Again" and read the information after it - it contains the test results.

Note, that if you are using Firefox for the testing, NVDA may get a lot chatty during the test and repeat that the test is over 50% completed a lot of times. Use Internet Explorer to do the testing if you don't want to hear all that chattiness - it does not occur in it. Hmm, could this chattiness be a Firefox issue? Maybe we should report it?

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 

На 12.1.2017 г. в 19:15, Brandon Keith Biggs написа:

Hello,

Does anyone know of an accessible internet speed test? Most of the speed tests I have found only show speeds in a flash frame.

Thanks,

 



Re: Accessible Internet Speed Test

Arlene
 

Hi there: Does this work for all internet isps?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kostadin Kolev
Sent: January-12-17 10:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

Hello,

Go to:

http://beta.speedtest.net

This is beta, but it is good enough. It is based on HTML5 technology, if I'm not mistaking. Find the link labeled "GO!" and activate it. The internet speed test will start. You'll be notified when it is completed and the results from it. But you can manually read the results on the page - find the link labeled "Again" and read the information after it - it contains the test results.

Note, that if you are using Firefox for the testing, NVDA may get a lot chatty during the test and repeat that the test is over 50% completed a lot of times. Use Internet Explorer to do the testing if you don't want to hear all that chattiness - it does not occur in it. Hmm, could this chattiness be a Firefox issue? Maybe we should report it?

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 

На 12.1.2017 г. в 19:15, Brandon Keith Biggs написа:

Hello,

Does anyone know of an accessible internet speed test? Most of the speed tests I have found only show speeds in a flash frame.

Thanks,

 


Re: Forcing an NVDA Search rather than a built-in search function

 

Chris,

NVDA Find is:   NVDA Key + CTRL + F

NVDA Find Next is:  NVDA + F3

NVDA Find Previous is: NVDA + Shift + F3

Essentially, it's precisely the same as a regular find but with NVDA Key added (except, perhaps, for previous, as I've never tried the Shift modifier outside a screen reader)

This is all in the Browse Mode section of the Commands Quick Reference.
--
Brian

 He discloses the workings of a mind to which incoherence lends an illusion of profundity.

         ~ T. De Vere White

    



Re: Forcing an NVDA Search rather than a built-in search function

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


I, too have a question regarding NVDA searching. Let's say I'm on a website, and I want to do a search for the word, "download." However, I need the second instance on the page of this text.
 
I know I can hit NVDA+CTRL+F to initiate the first find, type in the word download, and hit enter. But then, what I've been doing is to then hit NvDA+ctrl+F, then download will already be still filled in, so I'll just hit enter to then find the next occurance.
 
Is there an easier way? I tried the standard hititng F3, and also NVDA+CTRL+F3, etc. basically all combinations that I can think of. No matter what I try, I cannot seem to find the find next, and find previous commands which are specific to NVDA's find functionality.
 
I'm using the desktop layout if that helps.
 
I've already looked in the key reference documentation, but I'm undoubtedly missing something.
 
Chris.
 


Re: Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

Hello,

Go to:

http://beta.speedtest.net

This is beta, but it is good enough. It is based on HTML5 technology, if I'm not mistaking. Find the link labeled "GO!" and activate it. The internet speed test will start. You'll be notified when it is completed and the results from it. But you can manually read the results on the page - find the link labeled "Again" and read the information after it - it contains the test results.

Note, that if you are using Firefox for the testing, NVDA may get a lot chatty during the test and repeat that the test is over 50% completed a lot of times. Use Internet Explorer to do the testing if you don't want to hear all that chattiness - it does not occur in it. Hmm, could this chattiness be a Firefox issue? Maybe we should report it?

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


На 12.1.2017 г. в 19:15, Brandon Keith Biggs написа:

Hello,
Does anyone know of an accessible internet speed test? Most of the speed tests I have found only show speeds in a flash frame.
Thanks,



Re: Forcing an NVDA Search rather than a built-in search function

 

On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 09:35 am, Gene wrote:
We don't know if it's a general problem.

Gene,

          No, we don't know for certain.  That being said, when two random users are seeing the same behavior on different machines under the same circumstances where there are no obvious other problems the direction that points is, "general problem."

          If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, the most likely thing it is will be a duck, though there are other less probable fits as well.

          Also, right now, the general issue I'm concerned about is the fact that issuing the NVDA find command is not triggering the NVDA find on the Gmail Inbox page after I've done a Gmail find and the first NVDA find.  I can replicate that reliably and have no reason to believe it's idiosyncratic based on the absence of other idiosyncracies.
--
Brian

 He discloses the workings of a mind to which incoherence lends an illusion of profundity.

         ~ T. De Vere White

    



Re: Forcing an NVDA Search rather than a built-in search function

Gene
 

This may be a problem on your machine and not a general one. 
 
I don't know what part of the log might be relevant but there may be relevant information in the log.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Forcing an NVDA Search rather than a built-in search function

You would probably need to send a log here so that there is evidence
that a) you are in browse mode and b) that you actually pressed the
correct keyboard shortcut.

On 1/12/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
> I have also replicated the error in Firefox.   I rebooted my system before
> trying to do so as well.
>
> Everything works as expected on the first iteration of a Gmail search and
> mass selection per my instructions for doing same.  After that, if one
> navigates back to the Gmail search edit box and performs another search,
> INS+CTRL+F insists on pulling up the Firefox search, not the NVDA search.
>  This behavior continues even if I intentionally tab my way around the page
> to get to another control and hit INS+CTRL+F again.  In all instances I get
> a Firefox search not an NVDA search.
>
> Windows 10 Home 64-bit Build 14393.693, Firefox 50.1.0, NVDA 2016.4
>
> --
> *Brian*
>
> * * *He discloses the workings of a mind to which incoherence * *lends an
> illusion of profundity.*
>
> *         ~ T. De Vere White*
>




Re: Forcing an NVDA Search rather than a built-in search function

Gene
 

We don't know if it's a general problem.  Do you have Firefox?  If not, all we know is that on your machine, there is no problem using Chrome.  But we don't know if there would be a problem using firefox. I'd have to experiment to see what behavior I get on my machine using both the newest NVDA and the newest Firefox.
 
Gene 
 
Gene

Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Forcing an NVDA Search rather than a built-in search function

It seems to be a Firefox problem.

I just tried it in Chrome, and it works just fine.

I also tried it on your email message, and it worked.

 

73 N2DYN Angelo

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 10:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Forcing an NVDA Search rather than a built-in search function

 

Also, as of this morning, just now, I'm back to the *%$&^ behavior where when I'm hitting INS+CTRL+F I am not ever getting the NVDA search dialog box but always having the Firefox page search bar come up at the bottom of the screen.   This is immensely frustrating for me and I cannot even begin to imagine the orders of magnitude of additional frustration that would be added were I depending on this to behave in a predictable way to actually get work done.

-- 

Brian

 He discloses the workings of a mind to which incoherence lends an illusion of profundity.

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Re: OCR software?

kelby carlson
 

That isn't the PDF2TXt being referred to. The program may not be online anymore.

On 1/12/17, Doug Parisian <eggmann@...> wrote:
While slightly off topic for this list, I might end the diversion,
respectfully of course, by providing the following link for the Image to
tedxt conversion package. The assumption is that if you want to read print,

you have means of scanning it and then processing the image through the
software.

With all the programming wizzards on this list, perhaps someone can provide

a way for combo printer-scanners to integrate? Just a thought!
https://www.dropbox.com/s/9cvb52w0wfgwyqm/p2tsetup.exe?dl=1

-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Stewart
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 10:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR software?

Also, can those who know the OCR engine that is use in PDF 2 TXT please
give me the link to get it or at least give me the name of the OCR
engine so I can search for it?

Thanks.

Roger











On 1/11/2017 5:59 PM, Robert Kingett wrote:
Does anyone have a link to this PDF2TXT installer? I am finding a lot of
third party installers that I am sure have adware in them. I installed
Unchecky to combat this, but still!



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Re: Forcing an NVDA Search rather than a built-in search function

Gene
 

NVDA often places you at your previous position when you leave and return to a page.  I don't have a good enough picture to be sure just what you are trying to do but it may be that the situation can be solved by issuing a top of page command while in browse mode before doing the second search.  In other words, control home then do the search.  I often do a control home when I want to search from the top of a page regardless of what I have or haven't done before to make sure I am searching from the top.  It depends.  If I'm on a page I've done nothing on and it's just loaded, I often don't use the top of page command but if I want to be sure I'll search from the top of page and not inadvertently search from farther down, I may.  Rather than worry about what may be farther down from my current position, if I'm on a page where I've done much of any moving around, I often do a top of page command just so I know exactly where I'm starting from.  It takes almost no time and standardizes where I start a search.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Forcing an NVDA Search rather than a built-in search function

Gene,

            I can't honestly answer the "is it only Gmail's page" question because I do these kinds of intensive explorations pretty much in response to either a specific client need or a question that pops up on the groups.

            I can say that I am probably not "moving to the top of the page" insofar as forcing that via NVDA.  I would think that when I go back to the Gmail search box, which is both very near the top of the visible page and clearly before the "Select Menu Button" in the virtual the first cycle around that this should return me to the same position in the virtual page as I was in when entering the first set of Gmail search criteria.  That's why this leaves me so perplexed.  Since part of this is performing a new Gmail search, which results in a reloaded Gmail page of results, I'd also rationally believe that the virtual page is being reloaded and I should be placed at the beginning, but it appears that's not happening.  However, further research is needed.  This is why I turn to you all who actually use NVDA day in and day out, because I recognize that I could be making a mistake that I have absolutely no idea I'm making because I'm not a "real user" and no one who isn't ever develops the "in the gut" ease and facility that a day-in-day-out user of any technology does.

            Yesterday, on a completely different issue elsewhere, I was introduced to the Principle of Least Astonishment and that's what I'm experiencing a seeming violation of in this instance.  But it could be stupid user error, and I need to eliminate that as a root cause first.
--
Brian

 He discloses the workings of a mind to which incoherence lends an illusion of profundity.

         ~ T. De Vere White

    



Re: Forcing an NVDA Search rather than a built-in search function

Gene
 

I should add that I don't use Skipe so if there is a reason to correspond off list, it would have to be by e-mail. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Forcing an NVDA Search rather than a built-in search function

I seldom correspond privately with list members and if you have a problem you want help on, it's a much gbetter idea to ask about on list.  I have no idea if I can help and even if I can, others may have other or additional information.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Forcing an NVDA Search rather than a built-in search function

hi. i have this problem too.
when i want search something in my gmail, nvda says the result not
found and i dont know how to find everything that i needed!
the situation in firefox or any browser is worse.
gene,
may i be contact with you via your gmail  addresss or skype?

On 1/12/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> You haven't said whether this behavior occurs on other pages or just on this
> one.  There are sites, such as The New York Times where you can search for a
> specific button such as the all button.  You haven't established, at least
> not in what you have described, whether this is behavior caused by this one
> page or general behavior.  Also, what happens if you don't just move to the
> top of the page before repeating the search, but move to the top and then do
> something like tabbing once.  I'm not sure what is causing the problem but
> it sounds as though something isn't calibrating correctly as you move in the
> virtual buffer and starts a search from the location of the previous result
> rather than from the top of the page.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Brian Vogel
> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 10:45 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Forcing an NVDA Search rather than a built-in search
> function
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>
> Well, there's good news and bad news.
>
> The good news is that using INS+CTRL+F in both Firefox and Chrome is
> invoking the NVDA search now that I've rebooted.
>
> The bad news is that what NVDA finds (and I am going to have to do
> additional testing) as far as the "Select Menu Button" seems to change after
> having done a search.  When I do my initial search in Firefox, then use
> INS+CTRL+F to invoke the NVDA search and use "select" as my string it lands
> on the Select Menu Button as I'd expect.  If I go back and perform a
> subsequent search and then use the same NVDA search, it lands me on "Select
> Input Tool" rather than the "Select Menu Button" which is weird.
>
> Even though I have the Focus Highlight add-on added on I do not seem to be
> able to follow exactly where NVDA has it's focus when doing anything other
> than the first NVDA search.  If I completely reload my inbox page before
> doing a subsequent NVDA search things seem to behave as I'd expect.  I would
> have to believe that the "page state" (for lack of a better description) is
> precisely the same when any given Gmail search completes from its search
> box, so I would think that an NVDA search for Select immediately after
> should always land one on the Select Menu Button, but it doesn't.
>
> More work to be done on my part, but if anyone has any thoughts about what I
> am doing wrong or might try to do differently they will be gratefully
> accepted.
> --
> Brian
>
>
>  He discloses the workings of a mind to which incoherence lends an illusion
> of profundity.
>
>          ~ T. De Vere White
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