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Re: Problem with Windows 10 Pro desktop and NVDA

Tyler Spivey
 

Open explorer and press: alt, v, h, t

On 1/13/2017 11:50 AM, Sam Bushman wrote:
Hi All,



I installed NVDA 16.4 on a new windows 10 pro laptop.

For some reason NVDA reads all desktop items like they are check boxes …
Any idea what I need to change to resolve this?

I have downloaded the win10 ecentials add-on and that doesn’t resolve
either.



Thanks in advance for any help.



Thanks,

Sam


Re: Problem with Windows 10 Pro desktop and NVDA

 

Hello,

Press Windows+X. From the menu, go to "Control Panel" and open it. In the Control Panel, go to "File Manager Options" and open it. In there, press Control+TAB to go to the "View" tab. Press TAB until you get in to the tree view. In the tree view, use the arrow keys to go down to "Use check boxes to select items" and if it is checked, press space bar to uncheck it. Then press TAB to go to the "OK" button and activate it to save the changes and close the dialog. Then you can close the "Control Panel" window as well.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


На 13.1.2017 г. в 21:50, Sam Bushman написа:

Hi All,

 

I installed NVDA 16.4 on a new windows 10 pro laptop.

For some reason NVDA reads all desktop items like they are check boxes … Any idea what I need to change to resolve this?

I have downloaded the win10 ecentials add-on and that doesn’t resolve either.

 

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

Thanks,

Sam



Problem with Windows 10 Pro desktop and NVDA

Sam Bushman
 

Hi All,

 

I installed NVDA 16.4 on a new windows 10 pro laptop.

For some reason NVDA reads all desktop items like they are check boxes … Any idea what I need to change to resolve this?

I have downloaded the win10 ecentials add-on and that doesn’t resolve either.

 

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

Thanks,

Sam


locked Re: looking for a good compute stick

Antony Stone
 

I know of the sort of "compute stick"s you're talking about - I think the
best-known ones are the Amazon Fire TV Stick, and the Apple TV.

However, I don't know what the Acer Chromebot is - please can you provide a
link to more information about this? If it can run Windows 10, and Linux, and
costs $90, that sounds like an interesting product!

Thanks,


Antony.

On Friday 13 January 2017 at 19:45:10, coffeekingms@hotmail.com wrote:

hi all

My birthday is coming up next month and I'm stuck between an iPod nano,
or a compute stick. I'm not sure what they're actually supposed to be
called,but what I'm talking about is a miniature computer that
terminates in an HDMI port which connects to an HDTV or projector, with
enough storage, bluetooth, wi fi, and a micro sd card slot to use as an
every day laptop. I've looked around a little, but they're quite
expensive, about the cheapest I've run across that sounds like it might
be powerful enough to run both windows 10 and sonar linux well is the
acer chromebot, which is around 90 dollars. The thing about chrome OS
devices is that I don't know a thing about them. They're linux
underneath the google, but I don't know if they're as easy to duel boot
as a regular x86 or x64 pc is. Does anyone know of a good device that
would do this for at least a reasonable price? I'd say around my
absolute top would be $150, and for that it had better be top of the
line or mellisa will ... well she won't be happy. I don't have many
requirements, but I'd like it to be able to run windows 10 at least
reasonably well, including some casual gaming like killer instinct, the
windows 10 version, and emulated systems like the gamecube, wii and n64,
and that it have a micro sd card slot, wi fi and bluetooth. Three or
four USB ports would be nice, but not essential at all, I can just get a
USB hub if I have to for extra ports. A package deal where one comes
with the device, a hub and maybe a bluetooth keyboard would be nice, but
I don't want to complicate things, so not at all necessary, just
convenient. I have a keyboard already. It's a logitech, and it uses one
of those wireless receivers. I'll shut up now lol.

Thanks

Kendell Clark
--
The Magic Words are Squeamish Ossifrage.

Please reply to the list;
please *don't* CC me.


locked looking for a good compute stick

coffeekingms@hotmail.com
 

hi all

My birthday is coming up next month and I'm stuck between an iPod nano,
or a compute stick. I'm not sure what they're actually supposed to be
called,but what I'm talking about is a miniature computer that
terminates in an HDMI port which connects to an HDTV or projector, with
enough storage, bluetooth, wi fi, and a micro sd card slot to use as an
every day laptop. I've looked around a little, but they're quite
expensive, about the cheapest I've run across that sounds like it might
be powerful enough to run both windows 10 and sonar linux well is the
acer chromebot, which is around 90 dollars. The thing about chrome OS
devices is that I don't know a thing about them. They're linux
underneath the google, but I don't know if they're as easy to duel boot
as a regular x86 or x64 pc is. Does anyone know of a good device that
would do this for at least a reasonable price? I'd say around my
absolute top would be $150, and for that it had better be top of the
line or mellisa will ... well she won't be happy. I don't have many
requirements, but I'd like it to be able to run windows 10 at least
reasonably well, including some casual gaming like killer instinct, the
windows 10 version, and emulated systems like the gamecube, wii and n64,
and that it have a micro sd card slot, wi fi and bluetooth. Three or
four USB ports would be nice, but not essential at all, I can just get a
USB hub if I have to for extra ports. A package deal where one comes
with the device, a hub and maybe a bluetooth keyboard would be nice, but
I don't want to complicate things, so not at all necessary, just
convenient. I have a keyboard already. It's a logitech, and it uses one
of those wireless receivers. I'll shut up now lol.

Thanks

Kendell Clark



--
Without coffee, life is not worth living. Anonymous


Re: Accessible Internet Speed Test

Jeffrey Shockley
 

Hello,
Let me first start by thanking you for sharing this way of getting an accessible Internet speed test.
I tested this with Windows 8.1 and latest NVDA. It worked correctly. I did, however, since I didn’t click the link, go to Bing and type “speed test” in the search box. It worked fine without any problems with Firefox. Haven’t tried Chrome or Internet Explorer, but I’m sure it will work the same since everything is all up-to-date. It even works on macOS too which is neat.
Maybe this is just one of these cases where the OS  and/or hardware in question is just getting too old to handle modern programs and websites. I’m not sure how else to put it, but one of these days, XP is just going to become so ancient nothing modern will work anymore. I’m surprised it has lasted as long as it has to be honest on the Internet, anyway. I’m not counting stand alone machines that aren’t online.
I hope this helps.
Thanks,
Jeffrey

On Jan 13, 2017, at 12:29 PM, Suptic, Paul <psuptic@...> wrote:

I would like more people to test if they can.  It works and is accessible for me on a Windows 7 machine in FireFox and Chrome with NVDA, on Windows 10 with Chrome and FireFox (Edge of course is not accessible) and on Windows 10 preview with Chrome and Firefox.
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 9:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test
 
Testing on the latest version of Firefox, and the latest production version of NVDA using XP, this is an example of a page that doesn't work with JAWS or NVDA. 
It gets stuck.  I can close the program without a problem and nothing crashes but speech stops or almost completely does.  Whether the screen-reader stops performing or whether the browser stops or both is something I don't know.  I couldn't use the site with XP Narrator but when I tested with it, I was able to tab around and hear some fields read. 
 
In short, whether this is a problem for the Firefox developers to solve or for NVDA, I don't know.  I'm presenting it here to see if others report the same problem testing on different machines and versions of Windows and in case those who work on NVDA want to experiment..
 
I haven't tested other sites or pages with up-to-date versions of NVDA and I don't remember which versions of Firefox I tried, but I've found one or two other sites or pages recently that appear to have the same or similar behavior.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
 
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test
 
There is no reason to press the start button again once it is announced.  Just look at the page.  The results are there.  it would make no logical sense for the test to require start to be pressed twice.  
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test
 
Bing has a built in speedtest that is accessible as well with two ways to access it.
The more complex way is to open bing.com, and just search for speedtest.  Along with the normal search results, Bing will display its own speedtest.  The title of the test is the page main landmark as well as a level 4 heading called “Speed testID - <your IP number>”. 
One Tab gets you to the test start button, there is no indication that the test is running once you activate Start, but it will say “Start” again when it is done.
One Tab will read your Ping, the next Tab reads your download speed and one more Tab reads your upload speed.
The other way to use it is a direct link, but there is no guarantee they will let it stay directly linkable:
This loads with you landing on the start button.  After activating it you will hear “Start” the second time to indicate the test is done.  Use the Tab key as above to read your information.
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 8:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test
 

https://fast.com/ from Netflix is what I use and find it to be clean and accessible

On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 2:20 PM Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
Hello, It does! It tells you your ip address and your provider. For example Concast. Or whatever you use.
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kostadin Kolev
Sent: January-12-17 11:52 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test
 

Hello,

Actually, I think it gives you that information too: The name of your internet service provider and your IP address - they appear one after the other. Just read the information after the link labeled "Again" after the test is done. It starts with the name and location of the server used to do the testing (the end point) - they are links. After that is the name of your internet service provider and after that - your IP address. Then there is some sort of rating information. After that are the results of your internet speed test.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 
На 12.1.2017 г. в 21:04, Brandon Keith Biggs написа:
Hello,
It worked great for me! Thank you!
I would like it if it gave more information like your IP address and whatnot as well, but currently I got all I needed.

Thanks,


 
On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
Hi there: Does this work for all internet isps?
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kostadin Kolev
Sent: January-12-17 10:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test
 

Hello,

Go to:

http://beta.speedtest.net

This is beta, but it is good enough. It is based on HTML5 technology, if I'm not mistaking. Find the link labeled "GO!" and activate it. The internet speed test will start. You'll be notified when it is completed and the results from it. But you can manually read the results on the page - find the link labeled "Again" and read the information after it - it contains the test results.

Note, that if you are using Firefox for the testing, NVDA may get a lot chatty during the test and repeat that the test is over 50% completed a lot of times. Use Internet Explorer to do the testing if you don't want to hear all that chattiness - it does not occur in it. Hmm, could this chattiness be a Firefox issue? Maybe we should report it?

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 
На 12.1.2017 г. в 19:15, Brandon Keith Biggs написа:
Hello,
Does anyone know of an accessible internet speed test? Most of the speed tests I have found only show speeds in a flash frame.
Thanks,

 
 
 



Re: Accessible Internet Speed Test

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

It works for me just fine on windows 8.1 with chrome.



On 1/13/2017 12:29 PM, Suptic, Paul wrote:

I would like more people to test if they can.  It works and is accessible for me on a Windows 7 machine in FireFox and Chrome with NVDA, on Windows 10 with Chrome and FireFox (Edge of course is not accessible) and on Windows 10 preview with Chrome and Firefox.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 9:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

Testing on the latest version of Firefox, and the latest production version of NVDA using XP, this is an example of a page that doesn't work with JAWS or NVDA. 

It gets stuck.  I can close the program without a problem and nothing crashes but speech stops or almost completely does.  Whether the screen-reader stops performing or whether the browser stops or both is something I don't know.  I couldn't use the site with XP Narrator but when I tested with it, I was able to tab around and hear some fields read. 

 

In short, whether this is a problem for the Firefox developers to solve or for NVDA, I don't know.  I'm presenting it here to see if others report the same problem testing on different machines and versions of Windows and in case those who work on NVDA want to experiment..

 

I haven't tested other sites or pages with up-to-date versions of NVDA and I don't remember which versions of Firefox I tried, but I've found one or two other sites or pages recently that appear to have the same or similar behavior.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

From: Gene

Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 9:32 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

There is no reason to press the start button again once it is announced.  Just look at the page.  The results are there.  it would make no logical sense for the test to require start to be pressed twice. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Suptic, Paul

Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 8:33 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

Bing has a built in speedtest that is accessible as well with two ways to access it.

The more complex way is to open bing.com, and just search for speedtest.  Along with the normal search results, Bing will display its own speedtest.  The title of the test is the page main landmark as well as a level 4 heading called “Speed testID - <your IP number>”. 

One Tab gets you to the test start button, there is no indication that the test is running once you activate Start, but it will say “Start” again when it is done.

One Tab will read your Ping, the next Tab reads your download speed and one more Tab reads your upload speed.

The other way to use it is a direct link, but there is no guarantee they will let it stay directly linkable:

www.bing.com/widget/t/speedtest

This loads with you landing on the start button.  After activating it you will hear “Start” the second time to indicate the test is done.  Use the Tab key as above to read your information.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 8:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

https://fast.com/ from Netflix is what I use and find it to be clean and accessible

On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 2:20 PM Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

Hello, It does! It tells you your ip address and your provider. For example Concast. Or whatever you use.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kostadin Kolev
Sent: January-12-17 11:52 AM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

Hello,

Actually, I think it gives you that information too: The name of your internet service provider and your IP address - they appear one after the other. Just read the information after the link labeled "Again" after the test is done. It starts with the name and location of the server used to do the testing (the end point) - they are links. After that is the name of your internet service provider and after that - your IP address. Then there is some sort of rating information. After that are the results of your internet speed test.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 

На 12.1.2017 г. в 21:04, Brandon Keith Biggs написа:

Hello,

It worked great for me! Thank you!

I would like it if it gave more information like your IP address and whatnot as well, but currently I got all I needed.

Thanks,


 

On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

Hi there: Does this work for all internet isps?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kostadin Kolev
Sent: January-12-17 10:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

Hello,

Go to:

http://beta.speedtest.net

This is beta, but it is good enough. It is based on HTML5 technology, if I'm not mistaking. Find the link labeled "GO!" and activate it. The internet speed test will start. You'll be notified when it is completed and the results from it. But you can manually read the results on the page - find the link labeled "Again" and read the information after it - it contains the test results.

Note, that if you are using Firefox for the testing, NVDA may get a lot chatty during the test and repeat that the test is over 50% completed a lot of times. Use Internet Explorer to do the testing if you don't want to hear all that chattiness - it does not occur in it. Hmm, could this chattiness be a Firefox issue? Maybe we should report it?

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 

На 12.1.2017 г. в 19:15, Brandon Keith Biggs написа:

Hello,

Does anyone know of an accessible internet speed test? Most of the speed tests I have found only show speeds in a flash frame.

Thanks,

 

 

 





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Re: Accessible Internet Speed Test

Suptic, Paul <psuptic@...>
 

I would like more people to test if they can.  It works and is accessible for me on a Windows 7 machine in FireFox and Chrome with NVDA, on Windows 10 with Chrome and FireFox (Edge of course is not accessible) and on Windows 10 preview with Chrome and Firefox.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 9:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

Testing on the latest version of Firefox, and the latest production version of NVDA using XP, this is an example of a page that doesn't work with JAWS or NVDA. 

It gets stuck.  I can close the program without a problem and nothing crashes but speech stops or almost completely does.  Whether the screen-reader stops performing or whether the browser stops or both is something I don't know.  I couldn't use the site with XP Narrator but when I tested with it, I was able to tab around and hear some fields read. 

 

In short, whether this is a problem for the Firefox developers to solve or for NVDA, I don't know.  I'm presenting it here to see if others report the same problem testing on different machines and versions of Windows and in case those who work on NVDA want to experiment..

 

I haven't tested other sites or pages with up-to-date versions of NVDA and I don't remember which versions of Firefox I tried, but I've found one or two other sites or pages recently that appear to have the same or similar behavior.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

From: Gene

Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 9:32 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

There is no reason to press the start button again once it is announced.  Just look at the page.  The results are there.  it would make no logical sense for the test to require start to be pressed twice. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Suptic, Paul

Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 8:33 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

Bing has a built in speedtest that is accessible as well with two ways to access it.

The more complex way is to open bing.com, and just search for speedtest.  Along with the normal search results, Bing will display its own speedtest.  The title of the test is the page main landmark as well as a level 4 heading called “Speed testID - <your IP number>”. 

One Tab gets you to the test start button, there is no indication that the test is running once you activate Start, but it will say “Start” again when it is done.

One Tab will read your Ping, the next Tab reads your download speed and one more Tab reads your upload speed.

The other way to use it is a direct link, but there is no guarantee they will let it stay directly linkable:

www.bing.com/widget/t/speedtest

This loads with you landing on the start button.  After activating it you will hear “Start” the second time to indicate the test is done.  Use the Tab key as above to read your information.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 8:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

https://fast.com/ from Netflix is what I use and find it to be clean and accessible

On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 2:20 PM Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

Hello, It does! It tells you your ip address and your provider. For example Concast. Or whatever you use.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kostadin Kolev
Sent: January-12-17 11:52 AM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

Hello,

Actually, I think it gives you that information too: The name of your internet service provider and your IP address - they appear one after the other. Just read the information after the link labeled "Again" after the test is done. It starts with the name and location of the server used to do the testing (the end point) - they are links. After that is the name of your internet service provider and after that - your IP address. Then there is some sort of rating information. After that are the results of your internet speed test.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 

На 12.1.2017 г. в 21:04, Brandon Keith Biggs написа:

Hello,

It worked great for me! Thank you!

I would like it if it gave more information like your IP address and whatnot as well, but currently I got all I needed.

Thanks,


 

On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

Hi there: Does this work for all internet isps?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kostadin Kolev
Sent: January-12-17 10:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

Hello,

Go to:

http://beta.speedtest.net

This is beta, but it is good enough. It is based on HTML5 technology, if I'm not mistaking. Find the link labeled "GO!" and activate it. The internet speed test will start. You'll be notified when it is completed and the results from it. But you can manually read the results on the page - find the link labeled "Again" and read the information after it - it contains the test results.

Note, that if you are using Firefox for the testing, NVDA may get a lot chatty during the test and repeat that the test is over 50% completed a lot of times. Use Internet Explorer to do the testing if you don't want to hear all that chattiness - it does not occur in it. Hmm, could this chattiness be a Firefox issue? Maybe we should report it?

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 

На 12.1.2017 г. в 19:15, Brandon Keith Biggs написа:

Hello,

Does anyone know of an accessible internet speed test? Most of the speed tests I have found only show speeds in a flash frame.

Thanks,

 

 

 


Re: Auto change language

Andre Fisher
 

That functionality is not available in WordPad at the moment. But stay
with NVDA, as the next version, which should come out about next
month, will add this functionality.

On 1/12/17, 高生旺 <coscell@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

How can we perform the Automatic language switching function in wordpad.
Could someone provide the tesing steps? Thanks!




Re: Forcing an NVDA Search rather than a built-in search function

Angelo Sonnesso
 

I do but I haven’t tried, I have a meeting, but I will give it a try when I get back.

 

 

73 N2DYN Angelo

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 12:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Forcing an NVDA Search rather than a built-in search function

 

We don't know if it's a general problem.  Do you have Firefox?  If not, all we know is that on your machine, there is no problem using Chrome.  But we don't know if there would be a problem using firefox. I'd have to experiment to see what behavior I get on my machine using both the newest NVDA and the newest Firefox.

 

Gene 

 

Gene

 

Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 9:35 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Forcing an NVDA Search rather than a built-in search function

 

It seems to be a Firefox problem.

I just tried it in Chrome, and it works just fine.

I also tried it on your email message, and it worked.

 

73 N2DYN Angelo

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 10:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Forcing an NVDA Search rather than a built-in search function

 

Also, as of this morning, just now, I'm back to the *%$&^ behavior where when I'm hitting INS+CTRL+F I am not ever getting the NVDA search dialog box but always having the Firefox page search bar come up at the bottom of the screen.   This is immensely frustrating for me and I cannot even begin to imagine the orders of magnitude of additional frustration that would be added were I depending on this to behave in a predictable way to actually get work done.

-- 

Brian

 He discloses the workings of a mind to which incoherence lends an illusion of profundity.

         ~ T. De Vere White

    

 


Re: Accessible Internet Speed Test

Gene
 

Testing on the latest version of Firefox, and the latest production version of NVDA using XP, this is an example of a page that doesn't work with JAWS or NVDA. 
It gets stuck.  I can close the program without a problem and nothing crashes but speech stops or almost completely does.  Whether the screen-reader stops performing or whether the browser stops or both is something I don't know.  I couldn't use the site with XP Narrator but when I tested with it, I was able to tab around and hear some fields read. 
 
In short, whether this is a problem for the Firefox developers to solve or for NVDA, I don't know.  I'm presenting it here to see if others report the same problem testing on different machines and versions of Windows and in case those who work on NVDA want to experiment..
 
I haven't tested other sites or pages with up-to-date versions of NVDA and I don't remember which versions of Firefox I tried, but I've found one or two other sites or pages recently that appear to have the same or similar behavior.
Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

There is no reason to press the start button again once it is announced.  Just look at the page.  The results are there.  it would make no logical sense for the test to require start to be pressed twice. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

Bing has a built in speedtest that is accessible as well with two ways to access it.

The more complex way is to open bing.com, and just search for speedtest.  Along with the normal search results, Bing will display its own speedtest.  The title of the test is the page main landmark as well as a level 4 heading called “Speed testID - <your IP number>”. 

One Tab gets you to the test start button, there is no indication that the test is running once you activate Start, but it will say “Start” again when it is done.

One Tab will read your Ping, the next Tab reads your download speed and one more Tab reads your upload speed.

The other way to use it is a direct link, but there is no guarantee they will let it stay directly linkable:

www.bing.com/widget/t/speedtest

This loads with you landing on the start button.  After activating it you will hear “Start” the second time to indicate the test is done.  Use the Tab key as above to read your information.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 8:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

https://fast.com/ from Netflix is what I use and find it to be clean and accessible

On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 2:20 PM Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

Hello, It does! It tells you your ip address and your provider. For example Concast. Or whatever you use.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kostadin Kolev
Sent: January-12-17 11:52 AM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

Hello,

Actually, I think it gives you that information too: The name of your internet service provider and your IP address - they appear one after the other. Just read the information after the link labeled "Again" after the test is done. It starts with the name and location of the server used to do the testing (the end point) - they are links. After that is the name of your internet service provider and after that - your IP address. Then there is some sort of rating information. After that are the results of your internet speed test.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 

На 12.1.2017 г. в 21:04, Brandon Keith Biggs написа:

Hello,

It worked great for me! Thank you!

I would like it if it gave more information like your IP address and whatnot as well, but currently I got all I needed.

Thanks,


 

On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

Hi there: Does this work for all internet isps?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kostadin Kolev
Sent: January-12-17 10:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

Hello,

Go to:

http://beta.speedtest.net

This is beta, but it is good enough. It is based on HTML5 technology, if I'm not mistaking. Find the link labeled "GO!" and activate it. The internet speed test will start. You'll be notified when it is completed and the results from it. But you can manually read the results on the page - find the link labeled "Again" and read the information after it - it contains the test results.

Note, that if you are using Firefox for the testing, NVDA may get a lot chatty during the test and repeat that the test is over 50% completed a lot of times. Use Internet Explorer to do the testing if you don't want to hear all that chattiness - it does not occur in it. Hmm, could this chattiness be a Firefox issue? Maybe we should report it?

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 

На 12.1.2017 г. в 19:15, Brandon Keith Biggs написа:

Hello,

Does anyone know of an accessible internet speed test? Most of the speed tests I have found only show speeds in a flash frame.

Thanks,

 

 

 


Re: OCR software?

 

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 01:43 am, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
It really does depend on how good the scan is of course

 You have nothing to lose but a few minutes time to test out either PDF-XChange Viewer (which uses the "old Windows interface style" and I know to be accessible for running OCR) or the free edition of PDF-XChange Editor to check out whether it suits your needs.  Here are the step-by-step instructions I wrote for a client who was a grad student who kept having old image scanned PDFs assigned for reading by various professors on how to OCR process them using PDF-XChange Viewer:

PDF-XChange Viewer

Used when you receive a PDF that was scanned without Optical Character Recognition.  For reading stick to Adobe Reader.

1.     Open PDF-XChange Viewer from your start menu.

2.     ALT+F, O  Open a file, you’ll need to know where it is and navigate there in the Open Dialog, which is very much like Windows Explorer.

3.     CTRL+SHIFT+C  Perform optical character recognition on the file.  This will be quick for small files, 20 pages or less, but will take some time for very large files, hundreds of pages.  Listen for the process to complete.

4.     ALT+F, S  Save the file over itself with the OCR text now included.  If you wish to save the file under a different name and keep the original use ALT+F, A Save As to do this instead.

--
Brian

 He discloses the workings of a mind to which incoherence lends an illusion of profundity.

         ~ T. De Vere White

    



Re: OCR software?

 

Nasrin,

         My personal advice is to never open PDF files in a web browser for reading.  I have had way too many "inconsistencies" with how screen readers interact with the plug-ins (usually the Adobe Reader plug-in) in the browsers themselves.  It usually turns into a nightmare of one sort or another.

         I routinely tweak the web browser or web browsers on a client's system (and have done this on my own as well) to force PDFs to open in the PDF reader you have set as the default on your system rather than within the browser itself.  Since most folks have Adobe Reader in one of its versions, and this has been scripted for every screen reader I've ever touched, you have a much more reliable and consistent PDF reading experience once you're used to using the PDF reader program with your screen reader.   It also has the added advantage of making it much easier to recognize when you've been handed an old PDF that was image scanned and that will need to be OCR processed if it is something that you know contains text before it can be read by the screen reader.
--
Brian

 He discloses the workings of a mind to which incoherence lends an illusion of profundity.

         ~ T. De Vere White

    



Re: Accessible Internet Speed Test

Suptic, Paul <psuptic@...>
 

Correct, you only have to activate the start button once.  Once the test has run you screen reader will announce “Start” a second time, as there is no other audio indication while it runs.

For reference, NVDA will read “Start” a second time, JAWS does not read anything or give any indication that the test has finished.

This may have been have been a good candidate for three assertive ARIA live regions for the results, since forcing the announcement of each as they populate would also show that the test was running.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 8:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

There is no reason to press the start button again once it is announced.  Just look at the page.  The results are there.  it would make no logical sense for the test to require start to be pressed twice. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Suptic, Paul

Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 8:33 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

Bing has a built in speedtest that is accessible as well with two ways to access it.

The more complex way is to open bing.com, and just search for speedtest.  Along with the normal search results, Bing will display its own speedtest.  The title of the test is the page main landmark as well as a level 4 heading called “Speed testID - <your IP number>”. 

One Tab gets you to the test start button, there is no indication that the test is running once you activate Start, but it will say “Start” again when it is done.

One Tab will read your Ping, the next Tab reads your download speed and one more Tab reads your upload speed.

The other way to use it is a direct link, but there is no guarantee they will let it stay directly linkable:

www.bing.com/widget/t/speedtest

This loads with you landing on the start button.  After activating it you will hear “Start” the second time to indicate the test is done.  Use the Tab key as above to read your information.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 8:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

https://fast.com/ from Netflix is what I use and find it to be clean and accessible

On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 2:20 PM Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

Hello, It does! It tells you your ip address and your provider. For example Concast. Or whatever you use.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kostadin Kolev
Sent: January-12-17 11:52 AM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

Hello,

Actually, I think it gives you that information too: The name of your internet service provider and your IP address - they appear one after the other. Just read the information after the link labeled "Again" after the test is done. It starts with the name and location of the server used to do the testing (the end point) - they are links. After that is the name of your internet service provider and after that - your IP address. Then there is some sort of rating information. After that are the results of your internet speed test.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 

На 12.1.2017 г. в 21:04, Brandon Keith Biggs написа:

Hello,

It worked great for me! Thank you!

I would like it if it gave more information like your IP address and whatnot as well, but currently I got all I needed.

Thanks,


 

On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

Hi there: Does this work for all internet isps?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kostadin Kolev
Sent: January-12-17 10:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

Hello,

Go to:

http://beta.speedtest.net

This is beta, but it is good enough. It is based on HTML5 technology, if I'm not mistaking. Find the link labeled "GO!" and activate it. The internet speed test will start. You'll be notified when it is completed and the results from it. But you can manually read the results on the page - find the link labeled "Again" and read the information after it - it contains the test results.

Note, that if you are using Firefox for the testing, NVDA may get a lot chatty during the test and repeat that the test is over 50% completed a lot of times. Use Internet Explorer to do the testing if you don't want to hear all that chattiness - it does not occur in it. Hmm, could this chattiness be a Firefox issue? Maybe we should report it?

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 

На 12.1.2017 г. в 19:15, Brandon Keith Biggs написа:

Hello,

Does anyone know of an accessible internet speed test? Most of the speed tests I have found only show speeds in a flash frame.

Thanks,

 

 

 


Re: Accessible Internet Speed Test

Gene
 

There is no reason to press the start button again once it is announced.  Just look at the page.  The results are there.  it would make no logical sense for the test to require start to be pressed twice. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

Bing has a built in speedtest that is accessible as well with two ways to access it.

The more complex way is to open bing.com, and just search for speedtest.  Along with the normal search results, Bing will display its own speedtest.  The title of the test is the page main landmark as well as a level 4 heading called “Speed testID - <your IP number>”. 

One Tab gets you to the test start button, there is no indication that the test is running once you activate Start, but it will say “Start” again when it is done.

One Tab will read your Ping, the next Tab reads your download speed and one more Tab reads your upload speed.

The other way to use it is a direct link, but there is no guarantee they will let it stay directly linkable:

www.bing.com/widget/t/speedtest

This loads with you landing on the start button.  After activating it you will hear “Start” the second time to indicate the test is done.  Use the Tab key as above to read your information.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 8:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

https://fast.com/ from Netflix is what I use and find it to be clean and accessible

On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 2:20 PM Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

Hello, It does! It tells you your ip address and your provider. For example Concast. Or whatever you use.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kostadin Kolev
Sent: January-12-17 11:52 AM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

Hello,

Actually, I think it gives you that information too: The name of your internet service provider and your IP address - they appear one after the other. Just read the information after the link labeled "Again" after the test is done. It starts with the name and location of the server used to do the testing (the end point) - they are links. After that is the name of your internet service provider and after that - your IP address. Then there is some sort of rating information. After that are the results of your internet speed test.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 

На 12.1.2017 г. в 21:04, Brandon Keith Biggs написа:

Hello,

It worked great for me! Thank you!

I would like it if it gave more information like your IP address and whatnot as well, but currently I got all I needed.

Thanks,


 

On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

Hi there: Does this work for all internet isps?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kostadin Kolev
Sent: January-12-17 10:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

Hello,

Go to:

http://beta.speedtest.net

This is beta, but it is good enough. It is based on HTML5 technology, if I'm not mistaking. Find the link labeled "GO!" and activate it. The internet speed test will start. You'll be notified when it is completed and the results from it. But you can manually read the results on the page - find the link labeled "Again" and read the information after it - it contains the test results.

Note, that if you are using Firefox for the testing, NVDA may get a lot chatty during the test and repeat that the test is over 50% completed a lot of times. Use Internet Explorer to do the testing if you don't want to hear all that chattiness - it does not occur in it. Hmm, could this chattiness be a Firefox issue? Maybe we should report it?

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 

На 12.1.2017 г. в 19:15, Brandon Keith Biggs написа:

Hello,

Does anyone know of an accessible internet speed test? Most of the speed tests I have found only show speeds in a flash frame.

Thanks,

 

 

 


Re: whats new in 2017.1:

enes sarıbaş
 

hi,

or the next branch. Though I just checked, and there aren't many changes so far.

On 1/13/2017 5:59 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
One way to find out is installing the master branch and reading what's new.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin khaksar
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 10:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] whats new in 2017.1:

hi joseph.
could you please send me whats new of 2017.1 in my email address?
thanks so much.

On 1/13/17, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

So many under development at this time. There is a major showstopper
in latest Windows 10 preview builds that prevents certain features
from working as advertised in newer Windows 10 builds.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Kenny Peyattt jr.
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 4:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] whats new in 2017.1:



Hi I wonder what features will be in 2017.1?

Kenny Peyatt jr.



Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows
10





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in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org





Re: whats new in 2017.1:

 

Hi,
One way to find out is installing the master branch and reading what's new.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin khaksar
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 10:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] whats new in 2017.1:

hi joseph.
could you please send me whats new of 2017.1 in my email address?
thanks so much.

On 1/13/17, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

So many under development at this time. There is a major showstopper
in latest Windows 10 preview builds that prevents certain features
from working as advertised in newer Windows 10 builds.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Kenny Peyattt jr.
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 4:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] whats new in 2017.1:



Hi I wonder what features will be in 2017.1?

Kenny Peyatt jr.



Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows
10






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org


Re: Quick Survey

 

and you can send it for me.

On 1/13/17, Bill Dengler <codeofdusk@gmail.com> wrote:
You will receive it if you’re selected, probably within the next few days.

Bill
On Jan 13, 2017, at 7:03 AM, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
wrote:

hi.
i completed your survey but i did not recieve your second survey in my
email address.

On 1/13/17, Bill Dengler <codeofdusk@gmail.com
<mailto:codeofdusk@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hello,

If you're blind or visually impaired, please take this quick survey on
reading media. It's part of an internal assessment for my math class.
Thanks
in advance for your time!
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSenMpU1_la7wr3pq_OMIiFFiHhPTJTKYw22
P0TBs0ww4kfp2w/viewform



Bill


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org <http://al-islam.org/>

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: whats new in 2017.1:

Davy Cuppens
 

Please please please sometimes I guess this is a list of little childeren.
Quentin, can you please already send me the whatsnew of nvda 2025.5? Hahahahaha!
Please please be patient and do post relevant questions and things that matter!
Regards
Davy
 

Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] whats new in 2017.1:
 
Hi Nasrin,
 
2017.1 isn't out yet so there's no what's new just yet.  If you are really interested though, you are always welcome to try the snapshot builds.  They are mostly to test new features before they make it to the next stable build.  The "Master" builds can be considered beta quality - features should mostly work but there might be bugs.  The "Next" builds are alpha quality - they have quite new code which may not have been tested much at all and may produce unexpected results.
 
The snapshot builds are available from: http://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/
 
 
 
On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 5:47 PM, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hi joseph.
could you please send me whats new of 2017.1 in my email address?
thanks so much.

On 1/13/17, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> So many under development at this time. There is a major showstopper in
> latest Windows 10 preview builds that prevents certain features from working
> as advertised in newer Windows 10 builds.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joseph
>
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kenny
> Peyattt jr.
> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 4:41 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] whats new in 2017.1:
>
>
>
> Hi I wonder what features will be in 2017.1?
>
> Kenny Peyatt jr.
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>  for Windows
> 10
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org





 
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Training Material Developer
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Twitter: @NVAccess


Re: Accessible Internet Speed Test

Suptic, Paul <psuptic@...>
 

Bing has a built in speedtest that is accessible as well with two ways to access it.

The more complex way is to open bing.com, and just search for speedtest.  Along with the normal search results, Bing will display its own speedtest.  The title of the test is the page main landmark as well as a level 4 heading called “Speed testID - <your IP number>”. 

One Tab gets you to the test start button, there is no indication that the test is running once you activate Start, but it will say “Start” again when it is done.

One Tab will read your Ping, the next Tab reads your download speed and one more Tab reads your upload speed.

The other way to use it is a direct link, but there is no guarantee they will let it stay directly linkable:

www.bing.com/widget/t/speedtest

This loads with you landing on the start button.  After activating it you will hear “Start” the second time to indicate the test is done.  Use the Tab key as above to read your information.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 8:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

https://fast.com/ from Netflix is what I use and find it to be clean and accessible

On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 2:20 PM Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

Hello, It does! It tells you your ip address and your provider. For example Concast. Or whatever you use.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kostadin Kolev
Sent: January-12-17 11:52 AM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

Hello,

Actually, I think it gives you that information too: The name of your internet service provider and your IP address - they appear one after the other. Just read the information after the link labeled "Again" after the test is done. It starts with the name and location of the server used to do the testing (the end point) - they are links. After that is the name of your internet service provider and after that - your IP address. Then there is some sort of rating information. After that are the results of your internet speed test.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 

На 12.1.2017 г. в 21:04, Brandon Keith Biggs написа:

Hello,

It worked great for me! Thank you!

I would like it if it gave more information like your IP address and whatnot as well, but currently I got all I needed.

Thanks,


 

On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

Hi there: Does this work for all internet isps?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kostadin Kolev
Sent: January-12-17 10:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

Hello,

Go to:

http://beta.speedtest.net

This is beta, but it is good enough. It is based on HTML5 technology, if I'm not mistaking. Find the link labeled "GO!" and activate it. The internet speed test will start. You'll be notified when it is completed and the results from it. But you can manually read the results on the page - find the link labeled "Again" and read the information after it - it contains the test results.

Note, that if you are using Firefox for the testing, NVDA may get a lot chatty during the test and repeat that the test is over 50% completed a lot of times. Use Internet Explorer to do the testing if you don't want to hear all that chattiness - it does not occur in it. Hmm, could this chattiness be a Firefox issue? Maybe we should report it?

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 

На 12.1.2017 г. в 19:15, Brandon Keith Biggs написа:

Hello,

Does anyone know of an accessible internet speed test? Most of the speed tests I have found only show speeds in a flash frame.

Thanks,