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Re: OCR software?

 

hi gene and mk.
thanks for supporting as always.
mk, also i have this problem which you mentioned too.
it shows one word in line only.
do you know the solution for resolving this?

On 1/14/17, mk360 <mk.seventhson@...> wrote:
True in parts. the PDF is loading when you read, so when you move the
cursor more pages are loaded and the previous pages are available in the
virtual mode... for example if your PDF has 150 pages, when you finish
to read them, the 150 pages are loaded. However, I don't know if pages
are the range that Firefox uses to load or if it depend of an other thing.

Personally, I tried this function and I deactivated it. I don't like
Adobe Reader, but I'm an active user of PDF files and NVDA with the
built in reader doesn't work so good (I speak about NVDA because I've
not tried it with other screen readers). For example, in some files if
your PDF says "it is and example", Adoube reader will read it is an
example, but the firefox function read

"it.

is.

an.

example."

and it can be really annoying to the synthetizer.


Regards,

mk.

El 14/01/2017 a las 1:56, Gene escribió:
Also, I am doubtful that the open feature you are describing opens an
entire document. I haven't played with it to any extent but when it
has come up when a PDF file was opened, it appeared to display a
single page at a time. I didn't look in any detail at what could be
done but it looked to me, as a very quick impression, that it is
intended to allow the user to move from page to page and not to open
or download an entire document. Others who have used the utility and
know a good deal more than the impression I have of it may correct me
if I'm wrong.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* mk360 <mailto:mk.seventhson@...>
*Sent:* Friday, January 13, 2017 10:41 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] OCR software?

Hi,


Firefox has a built in PDF reader that is activated if you open PDFs
without other apps, but it doesn't work with some files like protected
ones. If you set in the "open with..." menu firefox as your program to
open PDFs files, these will be opened with Firefox when you press enter
in the file explorer.

I don't know if firefox has an option to convert PDF to txt, but I think
not.


Regards,

mk.


El 14/01/2017 a las 1:23, nasrin khaksar escribió:
brian.
thanks so much for your advice.
but for many reasons, i dont trust adobe product and i dont never
use them!
i deactivated all plugings in my browser and i only want to open my
pdf files in my browser without any plugin and convert them into txt
to read them by notepad+++ or save them as html and read them with my
browser!
how can i do this?
also my pdf documents are not image pdf which needs OCR.
thanks again for your help and God bless you!

On 1/13/17, Brian Vogel <@britechguy
<mailto:@britechguy>> wrote:
Nasrin,

My personal advice is to never open PDF files in a web
browser for
reading. I have had way too many "inconsistencies" with how screen
readers
interact with the plug-ins (usually the Adobe Reader plug-in) in the
browsers themselves. It usually turns into a nightmare of one sort or
another.

I routinely tweak the web browser or web browsers on a
client's
system (and have done this on my own as well) to force PDFs to open
in the
PDF reader you have set as the default on your system rather than
within the
browser itself. Since most folks have Adobe Reader in one of its
versions,
and this has been scripted for every screen reader I've ever
touched, you
have a much more reliable and consistent PDF reading experience
once you're
used to using the PDF reader program with your screen reader. It
also has
the added advantage of making it much easier to recognize when
you've been
handed an old PDF that was image scanned and that will need to be OCR
processed if it is something that you know contains text before it
can be
read by the screen reader.
--
*Brian*

* * *He discloses the workings of a mind to which incoherence *
*lends an
illusion of profundity.*

* ~ T. De Vere White*


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


locked Re: looking for a good compute stick

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I think the only one I've seen is the intel one. Not bothered with it as it does seem to be a bit of a gimmick at the moment. Maybe this will take off, don't know. Seems you can build anything into a usb or hdmi dongle these days.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: <coffeekingms@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 6:45 PM
Subject: [nvda] looking for a good compute stick


hi all

My birthday is coming up next month and I'm stuck between an iPod nano,
or a compute stick. I'm not sure what they're actually supposed to be
called,but what I'm talking about is a miniature computer that
terminates in an HDMI port which connects to an HDTV or projector, with
enough storage, bluetooth, wi fi, and a micro sd card slot to use as an
every day laptop. I've looked around a little, but they're quite
expensive, about the cheapest I've run across that sounds like it might
be powerful enough to run both windows 10 and sonar linux well is the
acer chromebot, which is around 90 dollars. The thing about chrome OS
devices is that I don't know a thing about them. They're linux
underneath the google, but I don't know if they're as easy to duel boot
as a regular x86 or x64 pc is. Does anyone know of a good device that
would do this for at least a reasonable price? I'd say around my
absolute top would be $150, and for that it had better be top of the
line or mellisa will ... well she won't be happy. I don't have many
requirements, but I'd like it to be able to run windows 10 at least
reasonably well, including some casual gaming like killer instinct, the
windows 10 version, and emulated systems like the gamecube, wii and n64,
and that it have a micro sd card slot, wi fi and bluetooth. Three or
four USB ports would be nice, but not essential at all, I can just get a
USB hub if I have to for extra ports. A package deal where one comes
with the device, a hub and maybe a bluetooth keyboard would be nice, but
I don't want to complicate things, so not at all necessary, just
convenient. I have a keyboard already. It's a logitech, and it uses one
of those wireless receivers. I'll shut up now lol.

Thanks

Kendell Clark



--
Without coffee, life is not worth living. Anonymous




Re: OCR software?

mk360
 

True in parts. the PDF is loading when you read, so when you move the cursor more pages are loaded and the previous pages are available in the virtual mode... for example if your PDF has 150 pages, when you finish to read them, the 150 pages are loaded. However, I don't know if pages are the range that Firefox uses to load or if it depend of an other thing.

Personally, I tried this function and I deactivated it. I don't like Adobe Reader, but I'm an active user of PDF files and NVDA with the built in reader doesn't work so good (I speak about NVDA because I've not tried it with other screen readers). For example, in some files if your PDF says "it is and example", Adoube reader will read it is an example, but the firefox function read

"it.

is.

an.

example."

and it can be really annoying to the synthetizer.


Regards,

mk.

El 14/01/2017 a las 1:56, Gene escribió:
Also, I am doubtful that the open feature you are describing opens an entire document.  I haven't played with it to any extent but when it has come up when a PDF file was opened, it appeared to display a single page at a time.  I didn't look in any detail at what could be done but it looked to me, as a very quick impression, that it is intended to allow the user to move from page to page and not to open or download an entire document.  Others who have used the utility and know a good deal more than the impression I have of it may correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: mk360
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR software?

Hi,


Firefox has a built in PDF reader that is activated if you open PDFs
without other apps, but it doesn't work with some files like protected
ones. If you set in the "open with..." menu firefox as your program to
open PDFs files, these will be opened with Firefox when you press enter
in the file explorer.

I don't know if firefox has an option to convert PDF to txt, but I think
not.


Regards,

mk.


El 14/01/2017 a las 1:23, nasrin khaksar escribió:
> brian.
> thanks so much for your advice.
> but for many reasons, i dont trust adobe product and i dont never use them!
> i deactivated all plugings in my browser and i only want to open my
> pdf files in my browser without any plugin and convert them into txt
> to read them by notepad+++ or save them as html and read them with my
> browser!
> how can i do this?
> also my pdf documents are not image pdf which needs OCR.
> thanks again for your help and God bless you!
>
> On 1/13/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
>> Nasrin,
>>
>>           My personal advice is to never open PDF files in a web browser for
>> reading.  I have had way too many "inconsistencies" with how screen readers
>> interact with the plug-ins (usually the Adobe Reader plug-in) in the
>> browsers themselves.  It usually turns into a nightmare of one sort or
>> another.
>>
>>           I routinely tweak the web browser or web browsers on a client's
>> system (and have done this on my own as well) to force PDFs to open in the
>> PDF reader you have set as the default on your system rather than within the
>> browser itself.  Since most folks have Adobe Reader in one of its versions,
>> and this has been scripted for every screen reader I've ever touched, you
>> have a much more reliable and consistent PDF reading experience once you're
>> used to using the PDF reader program with your screen reader.   It also has
>> the added advantage of making it much easier to recognize when you've been
>> handed an old PDF that was image scanned and that will need to be OCR
>> processed if it is something that you know contains text before it can be
>> read by the screen reader.
>> --
>> *Brian*
>>
>> * * *He discloses the workings of a mind to which incoherence * *lends an
>> illusion of profundity.*
>>
>> *         ~ T. De Vere White*
>>
>





What's new in Stascom Utility Suite version 2017.1.7:

Jacques <lists4js@...>
 

Hi All

Apologies to those who receive this as a cross posting.

Please allow me to thank everyone who has contacted me with comments and suggestions on my program. I am surprised about how many people around the globe are using the package. I really appreciate all the feedback.

What's new in Stascom Utility Suite version 2017.1.7:
•Minimum allowed volume can now be specified by the user between 5 and 50 percent,
catering for use of audio induction systems, earphones or amplification;
•when minimum or maximum volume is reached with the volume adjustment keys, a SAPI5 message will now report the level
percentage, replacing the previously used message boxes;
•When sound recovery is made, a SAPI5 message will report the event, name of sound card and the time recovery was performed;
•specifying window title exceptions hot key for auto maximising was removed, it's now a button
in the configuration window under auto maximising options;
•day / night volume adjustment will default to disabled with a new installation. If enabled in a previous installation,
the old setting will be honoured;
•added hot keys for typing accented and other special characters;
•when Stascom is active, the desktop shortcut will open the program menu, similar to pressing control+Windows+M;
•added an option to announce time on the quarter hour;
•added an option to change the chime sounds used for time announcements;
•simplified configuration window interface;
•Enhanced summary report;
•fixed a problem where status messages occasionally were spoken twice on slower processors;
•fixed a bug where "on the half hour time announcements were spoken after the last active hour of the day;
•fixed a bug where volume, if manually changed after pre-defined night-time, did not adjust to night-volume at midnight;
•fixed a bug where the installer on some configurations did not recognise a previous installation;
•fixed a bug where some previously defined settings were not retained after an update;
•fixed appdata and Windows temp folder entries in the Windows applications and settings hot key;
•users of versions prior to 2017.1.7, please read the heading on changes in the latest version in the user guide;
•first time users, please read the installation instructions in the user guide on my web site prior to installing.

http://www.stascom.co.za

--
Jacques


Re: OCR software?

Gene
 

Also, I am doubtful that the open feature you are describing opens an entire document.  I haven't played with it to any extent but when it has come up when a PDF file was opened, it appeared to display a single page at a time.  I didn't look in any detail at what could be done but it looked to me, as a very quick impression, that it is intended to allow the user to move from page to page and not to open or download an entire document.  Others who have used the utility and know a good deal more than the impression I have of it may correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: mk360
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR software?

Hi,


Firefox has a built in PDF reader that is activated if you open PDFs
without other apps, but it doesn't work with some files like protected
ones. If you set in the "open with..." menu firefox as your program to
open PDFs files, these will be opened with Firefox when you press enter
in the file explorer.

I don't know if firefox has an option to convert PDF to txt, but I think
not.


Regards,

mk.


El 14/01/2017 a las 1:23, nasrin khaksar escribió:
> brian.
> thanks so much for your advice.
> but for many reasons, i dont trust adobe product and i dont never use them!
> i deactivated all plugings in my browser and i only want to open my
> pdf files in my browser without any plugin and convert them into txt
> to read them by notepad+++ or save them as html and read them with my
> browser!
> how can i do this?
> also my pdf documents are not image pdf which needs OCR.
> thanks again for your help and God bless you!
>
> On 1/13/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
>> Nasrin,
>>
>>           My personal advice is to never open PDF files in a web browser for
>> reading.  I have had way too many "inconsistencies" with how screen readers
>> interact with the plug-ins (usually the Adobe Reader plug-in) in the
>> browsers themselves.  It usually turns into a nightmare of one sort or
>> another.
>>
>>           I routinely tweak the web browser or web browsers on a client's
>> system (and have done this on my own as well) to force PDFs to open in the
>> PDF reader you have set as the default on your system rather than within the
>> browser itself.  Since most folks have Adobe Reader in one of its versions,
>> and this has been scripted for every screen reader I've ever touched, you
>> have a much more reliable and consistent PDF reading experience once you're
>> used to using the PDF reader program with your screen reader.   It also has
>> the added advantage of making it much easier to recognize when you've been
>> handed an old PDF that was image scanned and that will need to be OCR
>> processed if it is something that you know contains text before it can be
>> read by the screen reader.
>> --
>> *Brian*
>>
>> * * *He discloses the workings of a mind to which incoherence * *lends an
>> illusion of profundity.*
>>
>> *         ~ T. De Vere White*
>>
>




Re: OCR software?

mk360
 

Hi,


Firefox has a built in PDF reader that is activated if you open PDFs without other apps, but it doesn't work with some files like protected ones. If you set in the "open with..." menu firefox as your program to open PDFs files, these will be opened with Firefox when you press enter in the file explorer.

I don't know if firefox has an option to convert PDF to txt, but I think not.


Regards,

mk.

El 14/01/2017 a las 1:23, nasrin khaksar escribió:
brian.
thanks so much for your advice.
but for many reasons, i dont trust adobe product and i dont never use them!
i deactivated all plugings in my browser and i only want to open my
pdf files in my browser without any plugin and convert them into txt
to read them by notepad+++ or save them as html and read them with my
browser!
how can i do this?
also my pdf documents are not image pdf which needs OCR.
thanks again for your help and God bless you!

On 1/13/17, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
Nasrin,

My personal advice is to never open PDF files in a web browser for
reading. I have had way too many "inconsistencies" with how screen readers
interact with the plug-ins (usually the Adobe Reader plug-in) in the
browsers themselves. It usually turns into a nightmare of one sort or
another.

I routinely tweak the web browser or web browsers on a client's
system (and have done this on my own as well) to force PDFs to open in the
PDF reader you have set as the default on your system rather than within the
browser itself. Since most folks have Adobe Reader in one of its versions,
and this has been scripted for every screen reader I've ever touched, you
have a much more reliable and consistent PDF reading experience once you're
used to using the PDF reader program with your screen reader. It also has
the added advantage of making it much easier to recognize when you've been
handed an old PDF that was image scanned and that will need to be OCR
processed if it is something that you know contains text before it can be
read by the screen reader.
--
*Brian*

* * *He discloses the workings of a mind to which incoherence * *lends an
illusion of profundity.*

* ~ T. De Vere White*


Re: OCR software?

 

brian.
thanks so much for your advice.
but for many reasons, i dont trust adobe product and i dont never use them!
i deactivated all plugings in my browser and i only want to open my
pdf files in my browser without any plugin and convert them into txt
to read them by notepad+++ or save them as html and read them with my
browser!
how can i do this?
also my pdf documents are not image pdf which needs OCR.
thanks again for your help and God bless you!

On 1/13/17, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
Nasrin,

My personal advice is to never open PDF files in a web browser for
reading. I have had way too many "inconsistencies" with how screen readers
interact with the plug-ins (usually the Adobe Reader plug-in) in the
browsers themselves. It usually turns into a nightmare of one sort or
another.

I routinely tweak the web browser or web browsers on a client's
system (and have done this on my own as well) to force PDFs to open in the
PDF reader you have set as the default on your system rather than within the
browser itself. Since most folks have Adobe Reader in one of its versions,
and this has been scripted for every screen reader I've ever touched, you
have a much more reliable and consistent PDF reading experience once you're
used to using the PDF reader program with your screen reader. It also has
the added advantage of making it much easier to recognize when you've been
handed an old PDF that was image scanned and that will need to be OCR
processed if it is something that you know contains text before it can be
read by the screen reader.
--
*Brian*

* * *He discloses the workings of a mind to which incoherence * *lends an
illusion of profundity.*

* ~ T. De Vere White*
--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


locked Re: looking for a good compute stick

 

Hello I am unable to get the second link to load it raps and I can't get the link to work can you please repost?

thanks

Hank

On 1/13/2017 2:19 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:
Hi, compute stick is intel's model of tiny personal computer.

Here is a link to computestick first generation with windows 10:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014N4CZE2/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B014N4CZE2&linkCode=as2&tag=inclusivean03-20&linkId=b216c581e63a0da38d2277aaa219e995

Here is a link to the current generation with windows 10:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=as_li_qf_sp_sr_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=inclusivean03-20&keywords=intel computestick&index=aps&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=xm2&linkId=a7ceb8363e1963a1f8e899b438362d3c

These are both in your price range. Asside from them getting warm and not having an anolog audio jack, I'm pretty happy with the first generation. I hacked it to ubuntoo using images and instructions I found online. There's an hdmi, one usb, and one SD on the first generation model. I haven't looked closely at the second generation, but for the pricepoint, I would definitely give it a glance.

I hope this helps,

Erik

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On January 13, 2017 1:46:09 PM "coffeekingms@..." <coffeekingms@...> wrote:

hi all

My birthday is coming up next month and I'm stuck between an iPod nano,
or a compute stick. I'm not sure what they're actually supposed to be
called,but what I'm talking about is a miniature computer that
terminates in an HDMI port which connects to an HDTV or projector, with
enough storage, bluetooth, wi fi, and a micro sd card slot to use as an
every day laptop. I've looked around a little, but they're quite
expensive, about the cheapest I've run across that sounds like it might
be powerful enough to run both windows 10 and sonar linux well is the
acer chromebot, which is around 90 dollars. The thing about chrome OS
devices is that I don't know a thing about them. They're linux
underneath the google, but I don't know if they're as easy to duel boot
as a regular x86 or x64 pc is. Does anyone know of a good device that
would do this for at least a reasonable price? I'd say around my
absolute top would be $150, and for that it had better be top of the
line or mellisa will ... well she won't be happy. I don't have many
requirements, but I'd like it to be able to run windows 10 at least
reasonably well, including some casual gaming like killer instinct, the
windows 10 version, and emulated systems like the gamecube, wii and n64,
and that it have a micro sd card slot, wi fi and bluetooth. Three or
four USB ports would be nice, but not essential at all, I can just get a
USB hub if I have to for extra ports. A package deal where one comes
with the device, a hub and maybe a bluetooth keyboard would be nice, but
I don't want to complicate things, so not at all necessary, just
convenient. I have a keyboard already. It's a logitech, and it uses one
of those wireless receivers. I'll shut up now lol.

Thanks

Kendell Clark



--
Without coffee, life is not worth living. Anonymous






Re: Accessible Internet Speed Test

Gene
 

I had no problems with Chrome either.  And, in case there is any confusion on this point, my problem isn't with accessibility, but that this and a few other sites freeze something, either in NVDA or Firefox.  When I close the program or leave the window, things work properly.
 
Gene

Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

It works for me just fine on windows 8.1 with chrome.



On 1/13/2017 12:29 PM, Suptic, Paul wrote:

I would like more people to test if they can.  It works and is accessible for me on a Windows 7 machine in FireFox and Chrome with NVDA, on Windows 10 with Chrome and FireFox (Edge of course is not accessible) and on Windows 10 preview with Chrome and Firefox.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 9:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

Testing on the latest version of Firefox, and the latest production version of NVDA using XP, this is an example of a page that doesn't work with JAWS or NVDA. 

It gets stuck.  I can close the program without a problem and nothing crashes but speech stops or almost completely does.  Whether the screen-reader stops performing or whether the browser stops or both is something I don't know.  I couldn't use the site with XP Narrator but when I tested with it, I was able to tab around and hear some fields read. 

 

In short, whether this is a problem for the Firefox developers to solve or for NVDA, I don't know.  I'm presenting it here to see if others report the same problem testing on different machines and versions of Windows and in case those who work on NVDA want to experiment..

 

I haven't tested other sites or pages with up-to-date versions of NVDA and I don't remember which versions of Firefox I tried, but I've found one or two other sites or pages recently that appear to have the same or similar behavior.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

From: Gene

Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 9:32 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

There is no reason to press the start button again once it is announced.  Just look at the page.  The results are there.  it would make no logical sense for the test to require start to be pressed twice. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Suptic, Paul

Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 8:33 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

Bing has a built in speedtest that is accessible as well with two ways to access it.

The more complex way is to open bing.com, and just search for speedtest.  Along with the normal search results, Bing will display its own speedtest.  The title of the test is the page main landmark as well as a level 4 heading called “Speed testID - <your IP number>”. 

One Tab gets you to the test start button, there is no indication that the test is running once you activate Start, but it will say “Start” again when it is done.

One Tab will read your Ping, the next Tab reads your download speed and one more Tab reads your upload speed.

The other way to use it is a direct link, but there is no guarantee they will let it stay directly linkable:

www.bing.com/widget/t/speedtest

This loads with you landing on the start button.  After activating it you will hear “Start” the second time to indicate the test is done.  Use the Tab key as above to read your information.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 8:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

https://fast.com/ from Netflix is what I use and find it to be clean and accessible

On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 2:20 PM Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

Hello, It does! It tells you your ip address and your provider. For example Concast. Or whatever you use.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kostadin Kolev
Sent: January-12-17 11:52 AM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

Hello,

Actually, I think it gives you that information too: The name of your internet service provider and your IP address - they appear one after the other. Just read the information after the link labeled "Again" after the test is done. It starts with the name and location of the server used to do the testing (the end point) - they are links. After that is the name of your internet service provider and after that - your IP address. Then there is some sort of rating information. After that are the results of your internet speed test.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 

На 12.1.2017 г. в 21:04, Brandon Keith Biggs написа:

Hello,

It worked great for me! Thank you!

I would like it if it gave more information like your IP address and whatnot as well, but currently I got all I needed.

Thanks,


 

On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

Hi there: Does this work for all internet isps?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kostadin Kolev
Sent: January-12-17 10:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

Hello,

Go to:

http://beta.speedtest.net

This is beta, but it is good enough. It is based on HTML5 technology, if I'm not mistaking. Find the link labeled "GO!" and activate it. The internet speed test will start. You'll be notified when it is completed and the results from it. But you can manually read the results on the page - find the link labeled "Again" and read the information after it - it contains the test results.

Note, that if you are using Firefox for the testing, NVDA may get a lot chatty during the test and repeat that the test is over 50% completed a lot of times. Use Internet Explorer to do the testing if you don't want to hear all that chattiness - it does not occur in it. Hmm, could this chattiness be a Firefox issue? Maybe we should report it?

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 

На 12.1.2017 г. в 19:15, Brandon Keith Biggs написа:

Hello,

Does anyone know of an accessible internet speed test? Most of the speed tests I have found only show speeds in a flash frame.

Thanks,

 

 

 





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Re: Accessible Internet Speed Test

Gene
 

It will be interesting to see if the problem I reported is limited to XP machines for some reason.  I doubted it but since you had no problems, perhaps it is. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

I would like more people to test if they can.  It works and is accessible for me on a Windows 7 machine in FireFox and Chrome with NVDA, on Windows 10 with Chrome and FireFox (Edge of course is not accessible) and on Windows 10 preview with Chrome and Firefox.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 9:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

Testing on the latest version of Firefox, and the latest production version of NVDA using XP, this is an example of a page that doesn't work with JAWS or NVDA. 

It gets stuck.  I can close the program without a problem and nothing crashes but speech stops or almost completely does.  Whether the screen-reader stops performing or whether the browser stops or both is something I don't know.  I couldn't use the site with XP Narrator but when I tested with it, I was able to tab around and hear some fields read. 

 

In short, whether this is a problem for the Firefox developers to solve or for NVDA, I don't know.  I'm presenting it here to see if others report the same problem testing on different machines and versions of Windows and in case those who work on NVDA want to experiment..

 

I haven't tested other sites or pages with up-to-date versions of NVDA and I don't remember which versions of Firefox I tried, but I've found one or two other sites or pages recently that appear to have the same or similar behavior.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

From: Gene

Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 9:32 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

There is no reason to press the start button again once it is announced.  Just look at the page.  The results are there.  it would make no logical sense for the test to require start to be pressed twice. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Suptic, Paul

Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 8:33 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

Bing has a built in speedtest that is accessible as well with two ways to access it.

The more complex way is to open bing.com, and just search for speedtest.  Along with the normal search results, Bing will display its own speedtest.  The title of the test is the page main landmark as well as a level 4 heading called “Speed testID - <your IP number>”. 

One Tab gets you to the test start button, there is no indication that the test is running once you activate Start, but it will say “Start” again when it is done.

One Tab will read your Ping, the next Tab reads your download speed and one more Tab reads your upload speed.

The other way to use it is a direct link, but there is no guarantee they will let it stay directly linkable:

www.bing.com/widget/t/speedtest

This loads with you landing on the start button.  After activating it you will hear “Start” the second time to indicate the test is done.  Use the Tab key as above to read your information.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 8:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

https://fast.com/ from Netflix is what I use and find it to be clean and accessible

On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 2:20 PM Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

Hello, It does! It tells you your ip address and your provider. For example Concast. Or whatever you use.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kostadin Kolev
Sent: January-12-17 11:52 AM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

Hello,

Actually, I think it gives you that information too: The name of your internet service provider and your IP address - they appear one after the other. Just read the information after the link labeled "Again" after the test is done. It starts with the name and location of the server used to do the testing (the end point) - they are links. After that is the name of your internet service provider and after that - your IP address. Then there is some sort of rating information. After that are the results of your internet speed test.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 

На 12.1.2017 г. в 21:04, Brandon Keith Biggs написа:

Hello,

It worked great for me! Thank you!

I would like it if it gave more information like your IP address and whatnot as well, but currently I got all I needed.

Thanks,


 

On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

Hi there: Does this work for all internet isps?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kostadin Kolev
Sent: January-12-17 10:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Internet Speed Test

 

Hello,

Go to:

http://beta.speedtest.net

This is beta, but it is good enough. It is based on HTML5 technology, if I'm not mistaking. Find the link labeled "GO!" and activate it. The internet speed test will start. You'll be notified when it is completed and the results from it. But you can manually read the results on the page - find the link labeled "Again" and read the information after it - it contains the test results.

Note, that if you are using Firefox for the testing, NVDA may get a lot chatty during the test and repeat that the test is over 50% completed a lot of times. Use Internet Explorer to do the testing if you don't want to hear all that chattiness - it does not occur in it. Hmm, could this chattiness be a Firefox issue? Maybe we should report it?

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 

На 12.1.2017 г. в 19:15, Brandon Keith Biggs написа:

Hello,

Does anyone know of an accessible internet speed test? Most of the speed tests I have found only show speeds in a flash frame.

Thanks,

 

 

 


locked Re: looking for a good compute stick

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

Hi, compute stick is intel's model of tiny personal computer.

Here is a link to computestick first generation with windows 10:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014N4CZE2/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B014N4CZE2&linkCode=as2&tag=inclusivean03-20&linkId=b216c581e63a0da38d2277aaa219e995

Here is a link to the current generation with windows 10:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=as_li_qf_sp_sr_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=inclusivean03-20&keywords=intel computestick&index=aps&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=xm2&linkId=a7ceb8363e1963a1f8e899b438362d3c

These are both in your price range. Asside from them getting warm and not having an anolog audio jack, I'm pretty happy with the first generation. I hacked it to ubuntoo using images and instructions I found online. There's an hdmi, one usb, and one SD on the first generation model. I haven't looked closely at the second generation, but for the pricepoint, I would definitely give it a glance.

I hope this helps,

Erik

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On January 13, 2017 1:46:09 PM "coffeekingms@..." <coffeekingms@...> wrote:

hi all

My birthday is coming up next month and I'm stuck between an iPod nano,
or a compute stick. I'm not sure what they're actually supposed to be
called,but what I'm talking about is a miniature computer that
terminates in an HDMI port which connects to an HDTV or projector, with
enough storage, bluetooth, wi fi, and a micro sd card slot to use as an
every day laptop. I've looked around a little, but they're quite
expensive, about the cheapest I've run across that sounds like it might
be powerful enough to run both windows 10 and sonar linux well is the
acer chromebot, which is around 90 dollars. The thing about chrome OS
devices is that I don't know a thing about them. They're linux
underneath the google, but I don't know if they're as easy to duel boot
as a regular x86 or x64 pc is. Does anyone know of a good device that
would do this for at least a reasonable price? I'd say around my
absolute top would be $150, and for that it had better be top of the
line or mellisa will ... well she won't be happy. I don't have many
requirements, but I'd like it to be able to run windows 10 at least
reasonably well, including some casual gaming like killer instinct, the
windows 10 version, and emulated systems like the gamecube, wii and n64,
and that it have a micro sd card slot, wi fi and bluetooth. Three or
four USB ports would be nice, but not essential at all, I can just get a
USB hub if I have to for extra ports. A package deal where one comes
with the device, a hub and maybe a bluetooth keyboard would be nice, but
I don't want to complicate things, so not at all necessary, just
convenient. I have a keyboard already. It's a logitech, and it uses one
of those wireless receivers. I'll shut up now lol.

Thanks

Kendell Clark



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Re: Problem with Windows 10 Pro desktop and NVDA

Tyler Spivey
 

Clarifying my last message a bit, here are two ways to do this.
1. Open explorer with win+e.
2. Press and release these keys in sequence: alt, v, h, t.
This is a shortcut to going to the ribbon with alt, then pressing right arrow to go to View, pressing space on that, then tabbing over to Show/Hide and unchecking item check boxes with space. Filename extensions can also be toggled here.

Another way to do this is to search for folder options on the start menu (this is now File Explorer Options, searching for either still works for me), going to the view tab, and under the advanced tree view unchecking Use check boxes to select items.

On 1/13/2017 11:50 AM, Sam Bushman wrote:
Hi All,



I installed NVDA 16.4 on a new windows 10 pro laptop.

For some reason NVDA reads all desktop items like they are check boxes …
Any idea what I need to change to resolve this?

I have downloaded the win10 ecentials add-on and that doesn’t resolve
either.



Thanks in advance for any help.



Thanks,

Sam


locked Re: looking for a good compute stick

Antony Stone
 

Thanks, I look forward to the link.

As far as Windows running on ARM is concerned, are you familiar with Windows
RT https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_RT ?


Antony.

On Friday 13 January 2017 at 21:21:49, coffeekingms@... wrote:

hi

I'll have to find it on amazon, shouldn't be too hard. I know it can run
linux, because chrome OS is linux, but I'm not positive about windows.
It should, if it's just a regular 64 bit computer with the kind of
hardware you'd find in a desktop or laptop, but miniaturized. If it has
the sort of hardware you'd find in a smartphone or tablet, also called
the ARM architecture, windows won't run on it. Well, it will, but only a
stripped down version without the desktop or accessibility support meant
to run on something called internet of things, whatever that is. I'll
post a link hear once I find it.

Thanks

Kendell Clark

On 1/13/2017 1:19 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
I know of the sort of "compute stick"s you're talking about - I think the
best-known ones are the Amazon Fire TV Stick, and the Apple TV.

However, I don't know what the Acer Chromebot is - please can you provide
a link to more information about this? If it can run Windows 10, and
Linux, and costs $90, that sounds like an interesting product!

Thanks,


Antony.

On Friday 13 January 2017 at 19:45:10, coffeekingms@... wrote:
hi all

My birthday is coming up next month and I'm stuck between an iPod nano,
or a compute stick. I'm not sure what they're actually supposed to be
called,but what I'm talking about is a miniature computer that
terminates in an HDMI port which connects to an HDTV or projector, with
enough storage, bluetooth, wi fi, and a micro sd card slot to use as an
every day laptop. I've looked around a little, but they're quite
expensive, about the cheapest I've run across that sounds like it might
be powerful enough to run both windows 10 and sonar linux well is the
acer chromebot, which is around 90 dollars. The thing about chrome OS
devices is that I don't know a thing about them. They're linux
underneath the google, but I don't know if they're as easy to duel boot
as a regular x86 or x64 pc is. Does anyone know of a good device that
would do this for at least a reasonable price? I'd say around my
absolute top would be $150, and for that it had better be top of the
line or mellisa will ... well she won't be happy. I don't have many
requirements, but I'd like it to be able to run windows 10 at least
reasonably well, including some casual gaming like killer instinct, the
windows 10 version, and emulated systems like the gamecube, wii and n64,
and that it have a micro sd card slot, wi fi and bluetooth. Three or
four USB ports would be nice, but not essential at all, I can just get a
USB hub if I have to for extra ports. A package deal where one comes
with the device, a hub and maybe a bluetooth keyboard would be nice, but
I don't want to complicate things, so not at all necessary, just
convenient. I have a keyboard already. It's a logitech, and it uses one
of those wireless receivers. I'll shut up now lol.

Thanks

Kendell Clark
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locked Re: looking for a good compute stick

coffeekingms@hotmail.com
 

hi

I'll have to find it on amazon, shouldn't be too hard. I know it can run
linux, because chrome OS is linux, but I'm not positive about windows.
It should, if it's just a regular 64 bit computer with the kind of
hardware you'd find in a desktop or laptop, but miniaturized. If it has
the sort of hardware you'd find in a smartphone or tablet, also called
the ARM architecture, windows won't run on it. Well, it will, but only a
stripped down version without the desktop or accessibility support meant
to run on something called internet of things, whatever that is. I'll
post a link hear once I find it.

Thanks

Kendell Clark

On 1/13/2017 1:19 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
I know of the sort of "compute stick"s you're talking about - I think the
best-known ones are the Amazon Fire TV Stick, and the Apple TV.

However, I don't know what the Acer Chromebot is - please can you provide a
link to more information about this? If it can run Windows 10, and Linux, and
costs $90, that sounds like an interesting product!

Thanks,


Antony.

On Friday 13 January 2017 at 19:45:10, coffeekingms@... wrote:

hi all

My birthday is coming up next month and I'm stuck between an iPod nano,
or a compute stick. I'm not sure what they're actually supposed to be
called,but what I'm talking about is a miniature computer that
terminates in an HDMI port which connects to an HDTV or projector, with
enough storage, bluetooth, wi fi, and a micro sd card slot to use as an
every day laptop. I've looked around a little, but they're quite
expensive, about the cheapest I've run across that sounds like it might
be powerful enough to run both windows 10 and sonar linux well is the
acer chromebot, which is around 90 dollars. The thing about chrome OS
devices is that I don't know a thing about them. They're linux
underneath the google, but I don't know if they're as easy to duel boot
as a regular x86 or x64 pc is. Does anyone know of a good device that
would do this for at least a reasonable price? I'd say around my
absolute top would be $150, and for that it had better be top of the
line or mellisa will ... well she won't be happy. I don't have many
requirements, but I'd like it to be able to run windows 10 at least
reasonably well, including some casual gaming like killer instinct, the
windows 10 version, and emulated systems like the gamecube, wii and n64,
and that it have a micro sd card slot, wi fi and bluetooth. Three or
four USB ports would be nice, but not essential at all, I can just get a
USB hub if I have to for extra ports. A package deal where one comes
with the device, a hub and maybe a bluetooth keyboard would be nice, but
I don't want to complicate things, so not at all necessary, just
convenient. I have a keyboard already. It's a logitech, and it uses one
of those wireless receivers. I'll shut up now lol.

Thanks

Kendell Clark
--
Without coffee, life is not worth living. Anonymous


Re: Problem with Windows 10 Pro desktop and NVDA

Sam Bushman
 

Perfect, thank you so much, it's fixed.
Sam


Sam Bushman
LibertyRoundTable.com
801-756-9133

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tyler Spivey
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 12:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with Windows 10 Pro desktop and NVDA

Open explorer and press: alt, v, h, t
On 1/13/2017 11:50 AM, Sam Bushman wrote:
Hi All,



I installed NVDA 16.4 on a new windows 10 pro laptop.

For some reason NVDA reads all desktop items like they are check boxes
… Any idea what I need to change to resolve this?

I have downloaded the win10 ecentials add-on and that doesn’t resolve
either.



Thanks in advance for any help.



Thanks,

Sam


Re: Problem with Windows 10 Pro desktop and NVDA

Tyler Spivey
 

Open explorer and press: alt, v, h, t

On 1/13/2017 11:50 AM, Sam Bushman wrote:
Hi All,



I installed NVDA 16.4 on a new windows 10 pro laptop.

For some reason NVDA reads all desktop items like they are check boxes …
Any idea what I need to change to resolve this?

I have downloaded the win10 ecentials add-on and that doesn’t resolve
either.



Thanks in advance for any help.



Thanks,

Sam


Re: Problem with Windows 10 Pro desktop and NVDA

 

Hello,

Press Windows+X. From the menu, go to "Control Panel" and open it. In the Control Panel, go to "File Manager Options" and open it. In there, press Control+TAB to go to the "View" tab. Press TAB until you get in to the tree view. In the tree view, use the arrow keys to go down to "Use check boxes to select items" and if it is checked, press space bar to uncheck it. Then press TAB to go to the "OK" button and activate it to save the changes and close the dialog. Then you can close the "Control Panel" window as well.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


На 13.1.2017 г. в 21:50, Sam Bushman написа:

Hi All,

 

I installed NVDA 16.4 on a new windows 10 pro laptop.

For some reason NVDA reads all desktop items like they are check boxes … Any idea what I need to change to resolve this?

I have downloaded the win10 ecentials add-on and that doesn’t resolve either.

 

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

Thanks,

Sam



Problem with Windows 10 Pro desktop and NVDA

Sam Bushman
 

Hi All,

 

I installed NVDA 16.4 on a new windows 10 pro laptop.

For some reason NVDA reads all desktop items like they are check boxes … Any idea what I need to change to resolve this?

I have downloaded the win10 ecentials add-on and that doesn’t resolve either.

 

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

Thanks,

Sam


locked Re: looking for a good compute stick

Antony Stone
 

I know of the sort of "compute stick"s you're talking about - I think the
best-known ones are the Amazon Fire TV Stick, and the Apple TV.

However, I don't know what the Acer Chromebot is - please can you provide a
link to more information about this? If it can run Windows 10, and Linux, and
costs $90, that sounds like an interesting product!

Thanks,


Antony.

On Friday 13 January 2017 at 19:45:10, coffeekingms@... wrote:

hi all

My birthday is coming up next month and I'm stuck between an iPod nano,
or a compute stick. I'm not sure what they're actually supposed to be
called,but what I'm talking about is a miniature computer that
terminates in an HDMI port which connects to an HDTV or projector, with
enough storage, bluetooth, wi fi, and a micro sd card slot to use as an
every day laptop. I've looked around a little, but they're quite
expensive, about the cheapest I've run across that sounds like it might
be powerful enough to run both windows 10 and sonar linux well is the
acer chromebot, which is around 90 dollars. The thing about chrome OS
devices is that I don't know a thing about them. They're linux
underneath the google, but I don't know if they're as easy to duel boot
as a regular x86 or x64 pc is. Does anyone know of a good device that
would do this for at least a reasonable price? I'd say around my
absolute top would be $150, and for that it had better be top of the
line or mellisa will ... well she won't be happy. I don't have many
requirements, but I'd like it to be able to run windows 10 at least
reasonably well, including some casual gaming like killer instinct, the
windows 10 version, and emulated systems like the gamecube, wii and n64,
and that it have a micro sd card slot, wi fi and bluetooth. Three or
four USB ports would be nice, but not essential at all, I can just get a
USB hub if I have to for extra ports. A package deal where one comes
with the device, a hub and maybe a bluetooth keyboard would be nice, but
I don't want to complicate things, so not at all necessary, just
convenient. I have a keyboard already. It's a logitech, and it uses one
of those wireless receivers. I'll shut up now lol.

Thanks

Kendell Clark
--
The Magic Words are Squeamish Ossifrage.

Please reply to the list;
please *don't* CC me.


locked looking for a good compute stick

coffeekingms@hotmail.com
 

hi all

My birthday is coming up next month and I'm stuck between an iPod nano,
or a compute stick. I'm not sure what they're actually supposed to be
called,but what I'm talking about is a miniature computer that
terminates in an HDMI port which connects to an HDTV or projector, with
enough storage, bluetooth, wi fi, and a micro sd card slot to use as an
every day laptop. I've looked around a little, but they're quite
expensive, about the cheapest I've run across that sounds like it might
be powerful enough to run both windows 10 and sonar linux well is the
acer chromebot, which is around 90 dollars. The thing about chrome OS
devices is that I don't know a thing about them. They're linux
underneath the google, but I don't know if they're as easy to duel boot
as a regular x86 or x64 pc is. Does anyone know of a good device that
would do this for at least a reasonable price? I'd say around my
absolute top would be $150, and for that it had better be top of the
line or mellisa will ... well she won't be happy. I don't have many
requirements, but I'd like it to be able to run windows 10 at least
reasonably well, including some casual gaming like killer instinct, the
windows 10 version, and emulated systems like the gamecube, wii and n64,
and that it have a micro sd card slot, wi fi and bluetooth. Three or
four USB ports would be nice, but not essential at all, I can just get a
USB hub if I have to for extra ports. A package deal where one comes
with the device, a hub and maybe a bluetooth keyboard would be nice, but
I don't want to complicate things, so not at all necessary, just
convenient. I have a keyboard already. It's a logitech, and it uses one
of those wireless receivers. I'll shut up now lol.

Thanks

Kendell Clark



--
Without coffee, life is not worth living. Anonymous