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Re: accessible word processors with NVDA

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Jarte is free and has a spell checker. That's what I use for word processing.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sharni-Lee Ward
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 9:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA

Hi,


My computer's keyboard's been acting up, and I have my Mum's as a backup, but it doesn't have Microsoft Office on it, and I was wondering if there was a decent free word processor out there, accessible with NVDA, that I could install on that computer instead. It would be nice if it could read and edit .docx files, but I'm aware I can't have everything.


The most used features in Word for me are:

The Spellchecker, including a whole dictionary of words I've added so Pokémon names, anime characters' names and names I just made up don't get flagged;

The word-counter;

Page-breaks;

Headings (mostly for aesthetic reasons).

If there's something out there that does all these things, and is free and accessible, I'll be pretty happy with it.


Re: accessible word processors with NVDA

 

Firstly is your computer a laptop or desktop.
Have you tried replacing the keyboard.
For serious button mashing and tech work I use a blue cherry switch mechanical organic, the strix tactic pro from asus.
The macro software is utter junk so I don't get the macros or most of the media controls but the mute and volume controls work as well as the main board.
Its good for games like fps and rpgs, but also good for tech issues due to its long and strong durable cord.
From a visual perspective it apaarently lights up when powered and looks quite cool to.
If its the laptop, or any board itt could need cleaning, if its a laptop you can get them replaced, it cost me 120 bucks for a new laptop board.
Jarte is good as a processer.
One advantage I found with my laptop running with an external board with a cooling desk but sometimes even not the unit seems to run better during hot days without crashing.
Often I used to have major crashes and system issues using the unit even with a cooling desk fan active.
Every so often windows would mangle but a good reformat always fixed it.
After my board started busting due to my use and after a replacement I took it on myself as a present for birthday to get an external.
I did start with an logiteck kbd120d but upgraded to this.
ANd to be honest noticed the performance gains straight away.
You also don't have to push the keys down to hard to get a result.
So you can truely touch type and fast, I swear my typing speed has improved with this keyboard.

On 15/01/2017 6:18 p.m., Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
Hi,


My computer's keyboard's been acting up, and I have my Mum's as a
backup, but it doesn't have Microsoft Office on it, and I was wondering
if there was a decent free word processor out there, accessible with
NVDA, that I could install on that computer instead. It would be nice if
it could read and edit .docx files, but I'm aware I can't have everything.


The most used features in Word for me are:

The Spellchecker, including a whole dictionary of words I've added so
Pokémon names, anime characters' names and names I just made up don't
get flagged;

The word-counter;

Page-breaks;

Headings (mostly for aesthetic reasons).

If there's something out there that does all these things, and is free
and accessible, I'll be pretty happy with it.



accessible word processors with NVDA

Sharni-Lee Ward
 

Hi,


My computer's keyboard's been acting up, and I have my Mum's as a
backup, but it doesn't have Microsoft Office on it, and I was wondering
if there was a decent free word processor out there, accessible with
NVDA, that I could install on that computer instead. It would be nice if
it could read and edit .docx files, but I'm aware I can't have everything.


The most used features in Word for me are:

The Spellchecker, including a whole dictionary of words I've added so
Pokémon names, anime characters' names and names I just made up don't
get flagged;

The word-counter;

Page-breaks;

Headings (mostly for aesthetic reasons).

If there's something out there that does all these things, and is free
and accessible, I'll be pretty happy with it.


Re: OCR software?

 

hi rosemarie, brian and mk.
thanks for your help as always.
but i dont want to read them with my browsers.
i only wish that open my pdf file with firefox and convert it into txt
for reading it with notepad++
unfortunately there is no any accessible pdf reader which can support
persian language properly.
mk, may i ask which version of firefox has native pdf reader without
need to install plugin?
since which version exactly, firefox supports pdf readeing by default
without any plugin?
thanks again and God bless you!

On 1/14/17, mk360 <mk.seventhson@gmail.com> wrote:
The latest version of Firefox supports PDF natively. However, I agree
with you.


Regards,

mk.


El 14/01/2017 a las 14:00, Brian Vogel escribió:

nasrin,

I'm sorry, but I can't help you with what you want to do.
I can see no rational reason to do it, either, but that's your call.

There are so many PDF reading programs, many of which are
accessible, other than Adobe Reader or Adobe Acrobat that your time
would be much better spent finding a native PDF reading application to
suit your needs.

I do not know of a single web browser that does not use a
plug-in, even if it's written "in house," to open PDF files within the
browser. Web browsers are not and never have been true PDF reading
programs.
--
*/Brian/*

*//**/He discloses the workings of a mind to which incoherence
/**/lends an illusion of profundity./*

*/~ T. De Vere White/*


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: Returning from Sleep or Hybernation #addonrelease #adminnotice #cal-invite #cal-reminder

 

Also, since mouse tracking is on by default, even if you don't use the mouse or mouse pad routinely, all you need to do is randomly move the mouse around and NVDA will start talking if it's ready to speak.

On laptops I routinely tell my clients not to disable the mousepad, but to cover it with a small square of stiff cardboard taped down on one side so that it can be flipped open like a book.  This way they can use the native left and right mouse buttons if they so desire and, when someone sighted wants/needs to use their computer, the mouse feature is there at the flip of a piece of cardboard.  For those with desktop machines with an optical mouse one can do the same thing by covering the opening for the laser on the underside of the mouse.  This allows it to be used for "is NVDA awake" checking with ease and then you flip the cover over the laser and put the mouse back down again, which also gives you access to the native left and right mouse click buttons if you wish to use them.
--
Brian

 He discloses the workings of a mind to which incoherence lends an illusion of profundity.

         ~ T. De Vere White

    



Re: Returning from Sleep or Hybernation #addonrelease #adminnotice #cal-invite #cal-reminder

Gene
 

I use a command like read title or I might press up or down arrow if I want to know if the computer is ready.  While there is nothing wrong with something that would speak, doing something like issuing the NVDA key t command to see if you get a proper response is so easy that I question whether it's worth the time and effort to create an automatic announce add on.
 
Gene 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Returning from Sleep or Hybernation #addonrelease #adminnotice #addonrelease #adminnotice #cal-invite #cal-reminder #cal-invite #adminnotice

I have never had this issue at least on 7 nvda usually anounces the
desktop or something when it comes back.
Another thing I have done is play some music just before I hybernate and
then when it comes back I know.
I have never had any issues though, I never really hybernate unless I am
  running eurofly or need to be away for a little while only.
If I am away for a long time I tend to shut down the system entirely.



On 15/01/2017 4:06 a.m., Thomas Stivers wrote:
> All,
>
> I have my laptop set up to sleep when I close the lid while plugged in and hibernate when I close the lid on battery. This is working well as far as NVDA coming back when I return from sleep, but I would like a way to get a spoken announcement when the computer is ready to use after waking up.
>
> Before I start trying to put something together with an add-on for NVDA or an autoHotKey script I'd like to know if anyone else has solved this.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Thomas
>



Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released

 

Hi,

Open Start, type “winver” (without quotes) and press ENTER. If you are hearing builds other than 1024, 10586 and 14393, you are running an Insider Preview build.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rémy Ruiz
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 11:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released

 

Hi Josephe,
Thanks for jour job!
Sorry how to know if i am using  Windows Insider build?
For me Windows ten is new! :)
Thanks very much.
Cheers since France.
Rémy

Le 14/01/2017 18:08, Joseph Lee a écrit :

Hi everyone,

 

Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 is now available:

https://github.com/josephsl/wintenApps/releases/tag/17.01

 

Important: if you are using Windows Insider build 15002 or later, please do NOT use this build – you should either use the latest development snapshot or wait until add-on 17.02 comes out. Also, this version is the last one to support NVDA 2016.3 or earlier.

Cheers,

Joseph

 


Re: Returning from Sleep or Hybernation #addonrelease #adminnotice #cal-invite #cal-reminder

Thomas Stivers
 

Thank you Joseph. Power Notifier is exactly what I am looking for. My apologies for all the hashtags. The combo box behaved *unexpectedly*.


Have a great day,


Thomas


Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released

Rémy Ruiz
 

Hi Josephe,
Thanks for jour job!
Sorry how to know
if i am using  Windows Insider build?
For me Windows ten is new! :)
Thanks very much.
Cheers since France.
Rémy


Le 14/01/2017 18:08, Joseph Lee a écrit :

Hi everyone,

 

Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 is now available:

https://github.com/josephsl/wintenApps/releases/tag/17.01

 

Important: if you are using Windows Insider build 15002 or later, please do NOT use this build – you should either use the latest development snapshot or wait until add-on 17.02 comes out. Also, this version is the last one to support NVDA 2016.3 or earlier.

Cheers,

Joseph



Re: Returning from Sleep or Hybernation #addonrelease #adminnotice #cal-invite #cal-reminder

 

I have my machine set to hibernate if I shut the cover and if I actually want to make it Sleep I simply do that via the power button first.

That being said, I never shut the cover and never shut down the machine when it's on AC power.  Particularly with the advent of Windows 10 and the active hours settings related to Windows Updates I want it running during my "inactive hours" so that it can do its thing then.  I have never made a habit of turning off a computer when it has AC power to it unless there is a specific reason to do so such as my being away on vacation for several weeks.


--
Brian

 He discloses the workings of a mind to which incoherence lends an illusion of profundity.

         ~ T. De Vere White

    



Re: Returning from Sleep or Hybernation #addonrelease #adminnotice #cal-invite #cal-reminder

 

I have never had this issue at least on 7 nvda usually anounces the desktop or something when it comes back.
Another thing I have done is play some music just before I hybernate and then when it comes back I know.
I have never had any issues though, I never really hybernate unless I am running eurofly or need to be away for a little while only.
If I am away for a long time I tend to shut down the system entirely.

On 15/01/2017 4:06 a.m., Thomas Stivers wrote:
All,

I have my laptop set up to sleep when I close the lid while plugged in and hibernate when I close the lid on battery. This is working well as far as NVDA coming back when I return from sleep, but I would like a way to get a spoken announcement when the computer is ready to use after waking up.

Before I start trying to put something together with an add-on for NVDA or an autoHotKey script I'd like to know if anyone else has solved this.

Thank you,

Thomas


Re: OCR software?

mk360
 

The latest version of Firefox supports PDF natively. However, I agree with you.


Regards,

mk.


El 14/01/2017 a las 14:00, Brian Vogel escribió:

nasrin,

           I'm sorry, but I can't help you with what you want to do.  I can see no rational reason to do it, either, but that's your call.

           There are so many PDF reading programs, many of which are accessible, other than Adobe Reader or Adobe Acrobat that your time would be much better spent finding a native PDF reading application to suit your needs.

            I do not know of a single web browser that does not use a plug-in, even if it's written "in house," to open PDF files within the browser.  Web browsers are not and never have been true PDF reading programs.
--
Brian

 He discloses the workings of a mind to which incoherence lends an illusion of profundity.

         ~ T. De Vere White

    




Re: OCR software?

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Nasrin,

 

I have to agree with Brian. There are a lot of PDF readers. The webbie suite has a PDF reader. I don't know of any web browsers that are PDF readers. I don't think anybody can help you with this because it's impossible.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 9:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR software?

 

nasrin,

           I'm sorry, but I can't help you with what you want to do.  I can see no rational reason to do it, either, but that's your call.

           There are so many PDF reading programs, many of which are accessible, other than Adobe Reader or Adobe Acrobat that your time would be much better spent finding a native PDF reading application to suit your needs.

            I do not know of a single web browser that does not use a plug-in, even if it's written "in house," to open PDF files within the browser.  Web browsers are not and never have been true PDF reading programs.
--
Brian

 He discloses the workings of a mind to which incoherence lends an illusion of profundity.

         ~ T. De Vere White

    

 


Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released

 

Hi everyone,

 

Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 is now available:

https://github.com/josephsl/wintenApps/releases/tag/17.01

 

Important: if you are using Windows Insider build 15002 or later, please do NOT use this build – you should either use the latest development snapshot or wait until add-on 17.02 comes out. Also, this version is the last one to support NVDA 2016.3 or earlier.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: OCR software?

 

nasrin,

           I'm sorry, but I can't help you with what you want to do.  I can see no rational reason to do it, either, but that's your call.

           There are so many PDF reading programs, many of which are accessible, other than Adobe Reader or Adobe Acrobat that your time would be much better spent finding a native PDF reading application to suit your needs.

            I do not know of a single web browser that does not use a plug-in, even if it's written "in house," to open PDF files within the browser.  Web browsers are not and never have been true PDF reading programs.
--
Brian

 He discloses the workings of a mind to which incoherence lends an illusion of profundity.

         ~ T. De Vere White

    



Re: Returning from Sleep or Hybernation #addonrelease #adminnotice #cal-invite #cal-reminder

 

Hi,

Yes and maybe:

  • Yes, there is an add-on out there called power notifier (or something similar).
  • Maybe, as the add-on in question is undergoing code review by NV Access at the moment.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Thomas Stivers
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 7:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Returning from Sleep or Hybernation #addonrelease #adminnotice #addonrelease #adminnotice #cal-invite #cal-reminder #cal-invite #adminnotice

 

All,

 

I have my laptop set up to sleep when I close the lid while plugged in and hibernate when I close the lid on battery. This is working well as far as NVDA coming back when I return from sleep, but I would like a way to get a spoken announcement when the computer is ready to use after waking up.

 

Before I start trying to put something together with an add-on for NVDA or an autoHotKey script I'd like to know if anyone else has solved this.

 

Thank you,

 

Thomas    


Returning from Sleep or Hybernation #addonrelease #adminnotice #cal-invite #cal-reminder

Thomas Stivers
 

All,


I have my laptop set up to sleep when I close the lid while plugged in and hibernate when I close the lid on battery. This is working well as far as NVDA coming back when I return from sleep, but I would like a way to get a spoken announcement when the computer is ready to use after waking up.


Before I start trying to put something together with an add-on for NVDA or an autoHotKey script I'd like to know if anyone else has solved this.


Thank you,


Thomas    


Re: OCR software?

 

hi gene and mk.
thanks for supporting as always.
mk, also i have this problem which you mentioned too.
it shows one word in line only.
do you know the solution for resolving this?

On 1/14/17, mk360 <mk.seventhson@gmail.com> wrote:
True in parts. the PDF is loading when you read, so when you move the
cursor more pages are loaded and the previous pages are available in the
virtual mode... for example if your PDF has 150 pages, when you finish
to read them, the 150 pages are loaded. However, I don't know if pages
are the range that Firefox uses to load or if it depend of an other thing.

Personally, I tried this function and I deactivated it. I don't like
Adobe Reader, but I'm an active user of PDF files and NVDA with the
built in reader doesn't work so good (I speak about NVDA because I've
not tried it with other screen readers). For example, in some files if
your PDF says "it is and example", Adoube reader will read it is an
example, but the firefox function read

"it.

is.

an.

example."

and it can be really annoying to the synthetizer.


Regards,

mk.

El 14/01/2017 a las 1:56, Gene escribió:
Also, I am doubtful that the open feature you are describing opens an
entire document. I haven't played with it to any extent but when it
has come up when a PDF file was opened, it appeared to display a
single page at a time. I didn't look in any detail at what could be
done but it looked to me, as a very quick impression, that it is
intended to allow the user to move from page to page and not to open
or download an entire document. Others who have used the utility and
know a good deal more than the impression I have of it may correct me
if I'm wrong.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* mk360 <mailto:mk.seventhson@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Friday, January 13, 2017 10:41 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] OCR software?

Hi,


Firefox has a built in PDF reader that is activated if you open PDFs
without other apps, but it doesn't work with some files like protected
ones. If you set in the "open with..." menu firefox as your program to
open PDFs files, these will be opened with Firefox when you press enter
in the file explorer.

I don't know if firefox has an option to convert PDF to txt, but I think
not.


Regards,

mk.


El 14/01/2017 a las 1:23, nasrin khaksar escribió:
brian.
thanks so much for your advice.
but for many reasons, i dont trust adobe product and i dont never
use them!
i deactivated all plugings in my browser and i only want to open my
pdf files in my browser without any plugin and convert them into txt
to read them by notepad+++ or save them as html and read them with my
browser!
how can i do this?
also my pdf documents are not image pdf which needs OCR.
thanks again for your help and God bless you!

On 1/13/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com
<mailto:britechguy@gmail.com>> wrote:
Nasrin,

My personal advice is to never open PDF files in a web
browser for
reading. I have had way too many "inconsistencies" with how screen
readers
interact with the plug-ins (usually the Adobe Reader plug-in) in the
browsers themselves. It usually turns into a nightmare of one sort or
another.

I routinely tweak the web browser or web browsers on a
client's
system (and have done this on my own as well) to force PDFs to open
in the
PDF reader you have set as the default on your system rather than
within the
browser itself. Since most folks have Adobe Reader in one of its
versions,
and this has been scripted for every screen reader I've ever
touched, you
have a much more reliable and consistent PDF reading experience
once you're
used to using the PDF reader program with your screen reader. It
also has
the added advantage of making it much easier to recognize when
you've been
handed an old PDF that was image scanned and that will need to be OCR
processed if it is something that you know contains text before it
can be
read by the screen reader.
--
*Brian*

* * *He discloses the workings of a mind to which incoherence *
*lends an
illusion of profundity.*

* ~ T. De Vere White*


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


locked Re: looking for a good compute stick

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I think the only one I've seen is the intel one. Not bothered with it as it does seem to be a bit of a gimmick at the moment. Maybe this will take off, don't know. Seems you can build anything into a usb or hdmi dongle these days.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: <coffeekingms@hotmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 6:45 PM
Subject: [nvda] looking for a good compute stick


hi all

My birthday is coming up next month and I'm stuck between an iPod nano,
or a compute stick. I'm not sure what they're actually supposed to be
called,but what I'm talking about is a miniature computer that
terminates in an HDMI port which connects to an HDTV or projector, with
enough storage, bluetooth, wi fi, and a micro sd card slot to use as an
every day laptop. I've looked around a little, but they're quite
expensive, about the cheapest I've run across that sounds like it might
be powerful enough to run both windows 10 and sonar linux well is the
acer chromebot, which is around 90 dollars. The thing about chrome OS
devices is that I don't know a thing about them. They're linux
underneath the google, but I don't know if they're as easy to duel boot
as a regular x86 or x64 pc is. Does anyone know of a good device that
would do this for at least a reasonable price? I'd say around my
absolute top would be $150, and for that it had better be top of the
line or mellisa will ... well she won't be happy. I don't have many
requirements, but I'd like it to be able to run windows 10 at least
reasonably well, including some casual gaming like killer instinct, the
windows 10 version, and emulated systems like the gamecube, wii and n64,
and that it have a micro sd card slot, wi fi and bluetooth. Three or
four USB ports would be nice, but not essential at all, I can just get a
USB hub if I have to for extra ports. A package deal where one comes
with the device, a hub and maybe a bluetooth keyboard would be nice, but
I don't want to complicate things, so not at all necessary, just
convenient. I have a keyboard already. It's a logitech, and it uses one
of those wireless receivers. I'll shut up now lol.

Thanks

Kendell Clark



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Re: OCR software?

mk360
 

True in parts. the PDF is loading when you read, so when you move the cursor more pages are loaded and the previous pages are available in the virtual mode... for example if your PDF has 150 pages, when you finish to read them, the 150 pages are loaded. However, I don't know if pages are the range that Firefox uses to load or if it depend of an other thing.

Personally, I tried this function and I deactivated it. I don't like Adobe Reader, but I'm an active user of PDF files and NVDA with the built in reader doesn't work so good (I speak about NVDA because I've not tried it with other screen readers). For example, in some files if your PDF says "it is and example", Adoube reader will read it is an example, but the firefox function read

"it.

is.

an.

example."

and it can be really annoying to the synthetizer.


Regards,

mk.

El 14/01/2017 a las 1:56, Gene escribió:
Also, I am doubtful that the open feature you are describing opens an entire document.  I haven't played with it to any extent but when it has come up when a PDF file was opened, it appeared to display a single page at a time.  I didn't look in any detail at what could be done but it looked to me, as a very quick impression, that it is intended to allow the user to move from page to page and not to open or download an entire document.  Others who have used the utility and know a good deal more than the impression I have of it may correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: mk360
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR software?

Hi,


Firefox has a built in PDF reader that is activated if you open PDFs
without other apps, but it doesn't work with some files like protected
ones. If you set in the "open with..." menu firefox as your program to
open PDFs files, these will be opened with Firefox when you press enter
in the file explorer.

I don't know if firefox has an option to convert PDF to txt, but I think
not.


Regards,

mk.


El 14/01/2017 a las 1:23, nasrin khaksar escribió:
> brian.
> thanks so much for your advice.
> but for many reasons, i dont trust adobe product and i dont never use them!
> i deactivated all plugings in my browser and i only want to open my
> pdf files in my browser without any plugin and convert them into txt
> to read them by notepad+++ or save them as html and read them with my
> browser!
> how can i do this?
> also my pdf documents are not image pdf which needs OCR.
> thanks again for your help and God bless you!
>
> On 1/13/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
>> Nasrin,
>>
>>           My personal advice is to never open PDF files in a web browser for
>> reading.  I have had way too many "inconsistencies" with how screen readers
>> interact with the plug-ins (usually the Adobe Reader plug-in) in the
>> browsers themselves.  It usually turns into a nightmare of one sort or
>> another.
>>
>>           I routinely tweak the web browser or web browsers on a client's
>> system (and have done this on my own as well) to force PDFs to open in the
>> PDF reader you have set as the default on your system rather than within the
>> browser itself.  Since most folks have Adobe Reader in one of its versions,
>> and this has been scripted for every screen reader I've ever touched, you
>> have a much more reliable and consistent PDF reading experience once you're
>> used to using the PDF reader program with your screen reader.   It also has
>> the added advantage of making it much easier to recognize when you've been
>> handed an old PDF that was image scanned and that will need to be OCR
>> processed if it is something that you know contains text before it can be
>> read by the screen reader.
>> --
>> *Brian*
>>
>> * * *He discloses the workings of a mind to which incoherence * *lends an
>> illusion of profundity.*
>>
>> *         ~ T. De Vere White*
>>
>