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Re: accessible word processors with NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

Sharni,

No I'm not using anything special.  If you are re-using the same Word file over and over or the same template, it's possible there's something hidden in it that could be causing problems.  To be honest, I've more seen that in Office itself and opening a file in something other than office is more likely to fix it, but you never know.  If you have a file that's doing it, that you are happy to send me offline, I can have a look and see if it works on my computer.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 4:17 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward <sharni-lee.ward@...> wrote:

Quentin, do you have any addons or something that might have changed how NVDA reads Word Pad/Jarte files? I'd be super grateful. I'd have no problem using Jarte if I could read my stories with the proper emphasis included.


On 16/01/2017 10:24 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Sharni,

Re using Jarte and the Office compatibility pack, try this link from Microsoft directly: https://www.microsoft.com/en-au/download/details.aspx?id=3

The en-au in the middle of that address is because I'm in Australia, feel free to change it to en-us or en-uk etc as needed, I'm not sure it makes a difference for this.

Regarding wordpad not properly identifying text attributes like Italic, what version of Windows do you have again?  I've tried in the regular stable build of Windows 10 and in the latest fast insider build (15007) and NVDA (2016.4) identifies italic etc text in the middle of a line correctly.  EG if I type:

The quick brown fox

and italicise the word "brown", NVDA reads:

The quick italic brown no italic fox.

It does this in Wordpad, Word 2016, Jarte and LibreOffice.

Note that you need to have NVDA's document formatting set to report text attributes (for italic).  Press NVDA+control+d to get to that screen.  If you don't have that set, it won't identify the text as italic regardless of where it is.

The only place I've seen behaviour similar to what you mentioned (if the start of a line is italic thinking the whole line is, and not seeing it at all if it's in the middle of a line), is if part of a cell has different formatting in Excel.

Kind regards

Quentin.



On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Sharni-Lee Ward <sharni-lee.ward@...> wrote:

Thanks! As I said last night, when I tried to follow the link from the page it said "We are sorry, but the page could not be found" and gave me a ton of possible search options.


Really though, it doesn't matter what file format the document is when it comes to displaying. If I want to work in the file with Jarte, I have to save in rtf or .doc anyways. I just save a new copy in wordpad to the rtf format and then it reads it fine. I do miss announced page numbers and NVDA being nice about italics though. What I mean is, in Word Pad, if a word is italicised in the middle of a line, NVDA doesn't report it, and if it's at the beginning of a line, NVDA acts like the whole line is italicised even though it isn't. Same with bold, underline, and so on. Is there an addon that corrects this behaviour? Or will there be an improvement in NVDA in that regard? I know I'd be grateful     for it. Then Jarte would be just that bit less irritating.


On 16/01/2017 8:48 AM, Gene wrote:
You can download the installation file to allow you to work with docx files here:
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA

if you could please send the link to your dropbox, that would be very much appreciated. I also am considering using chart, but don't really want to pay the money for it partially because I don't have the money for it.

Noah Carver

> On Jan 15, 2017, at 15:16, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
>
> I would like to caution users that use an microsoft product, ie office 2013 and up certainly it does this on 2016.
> Aparently the older software has some incompatibility when upgrading the os from one version to another.
> It tends to default extentions back to open xml viewer which itself is not helpfull.
> Worse excell refuses to be able to process file commands and can not start until you repair office.
> For the systems that had filter pack aand the compatibility pack installed, I solved this by removing both these packs then repairing office as on restart no files opened at all.
> Ever since then updates have worked as expected.
> If you are on a shared system with office.
> Every time you update the os especially when its a security update not a performance update, including newer and older office updates, you will need to repair office with the quick repair before using it again.
> I am not sure why that is but thats a way to get round it.
> If you often need a share then thats fine but if you don't it is easier to kill the extra converter packs.
> I should also want to add that I have old word xp converters for some older files that came from an xp machine that perminantly exist on my dropbox cloud, they are so small just like xp sound recorder its unlikely I will ever kill them so they stay till I die I guess.
> I have no inttention of killing them.
> The only thing you do need is sevenzip to decompress them but if someone wants to make an installer email me and I'll send the link for copywrite reasons jarte can't store those on its site but.
>
>
>> On 16/01/2017 12:20 a.m., Gene wrote:
>> It doesn't need the purchased  version.  You can install the Microsoft pack that gives Microsoft Word and some other programs the ability to read docx files.  if you try to open a Docx file, a dialog comes up telling you that.  It may provide a link in the dialog to the JARTE web page where the subject is discussed further.
>> We don't know how Word is being useed so we don't know if JARTE has all the features desired but you can read about it and install and look at the program to see if it does.
>>
>> Gene
>>
>>
>> From: Brian's Mail list account
>> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 4:38 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA
>>
>>
>> The thing about Jarte is that to open docx files it needs the purchased
>> version as far as I know. OOpen and Libra Office seem to be able to load in
>> docx files, but as has been discussed here of late, the authors need to do
>> some more work to allow screenreaders to work on all parts of them like read
>> all etc.
>>
>> Of course it might  be possible to find an old copy of an older version of
>> Office pro corporate which I did and it still worked aand accepted the key.
>> Legal?  Well, its a grey area isn't it. if the original buyer is giving it
>> away, then who cares.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
>> Sent via blueyonder.
>> Please address personal email to:-
>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Sharni-Lee Ward" <sharni-lee.ward@...>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 5:18 AM
>> Subject: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>> My computer's keyboard's been acting up, and I have my Mum's as a
>>> backup, but it doesn't have Microsoft Office on it, and I was wondering
>>> if there was a decent free word processor out there, accessible with
>>> NVDA, that I could install on that computer instead. It would be nice if
>>> it could read and edit .docx files, but I'm aware I can't have everything.
>>>
>>>
>>> The most used features in Word for me are:
>>>
>>> The Spellchecker, including a whole dictionary of words I've added so
>>> Pokémon names, anime characters' names and names I just made up don't
>>> get flagged;
>>>
>>> The word-counter;
>>>
>>> Page-breaks;
>>>
>>> Headings (mostly for aesthetic reasons).
>>>
>>> If there's something out there that does all these things, and is free
>>> and accessible, I'll be pretty happy with it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>








--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 





--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: accessible word processors with NVDA

Gerardo Corripio
 

Does anyone know if it has spellchecking for Spanish and other languages as well?


El 15/01/2017 a las 11:24 p.m., David Moore escribió:

Hi guys,

I use Jarte all of the time, and is a powerful word processor. I totally agree about spell checking. It has saved my life. In the 80s, I had to look so many words up to spell them, that it took me forever to write a paper. The spell checker is one of the best things to happen in technology LOLOL!

David Moore

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 9:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA

 

Hi, Gene,

 

I totally agree with you. Spelling is very important--especially if you're writing to a company or web developer. I remember the days when we didn't have things like spell checking. We had to look up unfamiliar words in the dictionary. Now that we have spell checking, there really is no excuse for poor spelling.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 3:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA

 

It may seem reasonable but it should strenuously be avoided.  Such mistakes lower the credibility of the person writing.  If someone writes to a web site developer about captures when they mean captchas, it will not be as credible to the web site developer when the person doesn't get the name right about what is being complained about.  In other words, it doesn't matter how something sounds.  No matter how an unfamiliar word sounds, the spelling should not be assumed. 

 

and it may be embarrassing.  Suppose you are writing to someone on a business matter and you spell the first name Steven with a v when it's Stephen, with a ph instead of a v.  That doesn't leave a good impression.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 5:41 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA

 

I used to do this with CAPTCHA, though to be fair, you do have to capture something to solve it—hidden words or numbers in an image or sound, the true image if you have to drag/drop parts of a picture, etc. It's a perfectly reasonable mistake to make. Good thing Espeak NG says it more clearly now, isn't it? :)

 

On 16/01/2017 10:33 AM, Gene wrote:

The program is free and it is not Jot.  It is JARTE j a r t e.  If blind people don't check the spelling of unfamiliar words they intend to use, they make these kinds of mistakes.  CAPTCHA is another glaring example,  It is chronically written "capture." 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene

Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 5:16 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA

 

Hi, is there a free trial for Jot? If so how long is it free before you have to pay? Or, do you have to buy it in order to use it?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account
Sent: January-15-17 2:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA

The thing about Jarte is that to open docx files it needs the purchased version as far as I know. OOpen and Libra Office seem to be able to load in docx files, but as has been discussed here of late, the authors need to do some more work to allow screenreaders to work on all parts of them like read all etc.

Of course it might  be possible to find an old copy of an older version of Office pro corporate which I did and it still worked aand accepted the key.
Legal?  Well, its a grey area isn't it. if the original buyer is giving it away, then who cares.

Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharni-Lee Ward" <sharni-lee.ward@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 5:18 AM
Subject: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA


> Hi,
>
>
> My computer's keyboard's been acting up, and I have my Mum's as a
> backup, but it doesn't have Microsoft Office on it, and I was wondering
> if there was a decent free word processor out there, accessible with
> NVDA, that I could install on that computer instead. It would be nice if
> it could read and edit .docx files, but I'm aware I can't have everything.
>
>
> The most used features in Word for me are:
>
> The Spellchecker, including a whole dictionary of words I've added so
> Pokémon names, anime characters' names and names I just made up don't
> get flagged;
>
> The word-counter;
>
> Page-breaks;
>
> Headings (mostly for aesthetic reasons).
>
> If there's something out there that does all these things, and is free
> and accessible, I'll be pretty happy with it.
>
>
>
>
>





 

 


-- 
Gera
Enviado desde Thunderbird


Re: accessible word processors with NVDA

David Moore
 

Hi guys,

I use Jarte all of the time, and is a powerful word processor. I totally agree about spell checking. It has saved my life. In the 80s, I had to look so many words up to spell them, that it took me forever to write a paper. The spell checker is one of the best things to happen in technology LOLOL!

David Moore

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 9:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA

 

Hi, Gene,

 

I totally agree with you. Spelling is very important--especially if you're writing to a company or web developer. I remember the days when we didn't have things like spell checking. We had to look up unfamiliar words in the dictionary. Now that we have spell checking, there really is no excuse for poor spelling.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 3:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA

 

It may seem reasonable but it should strenuously be avoided.  Such mistakes lower the credibility of the person writing.  If someone writes to a web site developer about captures when they mean captchas, it will not be as credible to the web site developer when the person doesn't get the name right about what is being complained about.  In other words, it doesn't matter how something sounds.  No matter how an unfamiliar word sounds, the spelling should not be assumed. 

 

and it may be embarrassing.  Suppose you are writing to someone on a business matter and you spell the first name Steven with a v when it's Stephen, with a ph instead of a v.  That doesn't leave a good impression.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 5:41 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA

 

I used to do this with CAPTCHA, though to be fair, you do have to capture something to solve it—hidden words or numbers in an image or sound, the true image if you have to drag/drop parts of a picture, etc. It's a perfectly reasonable mistake to make. Good thing Espeak NG says it more clearly now, isn't it? :)

 

On 16/01/2017 10:33 AM, Gene wrote:

The program is free and it is not Jot.  It is JARTE j a r t e.  If blind people don't check the spelling of unfamiliar words they intend to use, they make these kinds of mistakes.  CAPTCHA is another glaring example,  It is chronically written "capture." 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene

Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 5:16 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA

 

Hi, is there a free trial for Jot? If so how long is it free before you have to pay? Or, do you have to buy it in order to use it?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account
Sent: January-15-17 2:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA

The thing about Jarte is that to open docx files it needs the purchased version as far as I know. OOpen and Libra Office seem to be able to load in docx files, but as has been discussed here of late, the authors need to do some more work to allow screenreaders to work on all parts of them like read all etc.

Of course it might  be possible to find an old copy of an older version of Office pro corporate which I did and it still worked aand accepted the key.
Legal?  Well, its a grey area isn't it. if the original buyer is giving it away, then who cares.

Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharni-Lee Ward" <sharni-lee.ward@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 5:18 AM
Subject: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA


> Hi,
>
>
> My computer's keyboard's been acting up, and I have my Mum's as a
> backup, but it doesn't have Microsoft Office on it, and I was wondering
> if there was a decent free word processor out there, accessible with
> NVDA, that I could install on that computer instead. It would be nice if
> it could read and edit .docx files, but I'm aware I can't have everything.
>
>
> The most used features in Word for me are:
>
> The Spellchecker, including a whole dictionary of words I've added so
> Pokémon names, anime characters' names and names I just made up don't
> get flagged;
>
> The word-counter;
>
> Page-breaks;
>
> Headings (mostly for aesthetic reasons).
>
> If there's something out there that does all these things, and is free
> and accessible, I'll be pretty happy with it.
>
>
>
>
>





 

 


Re: accessible word processors with NVDA

Sharni-Lee Ward
 

Quentin, do you have any addons or something that might have changed how NVDA reads Word Pad/Jarte files? I'd be super grateful. I'd have no problem using Jarte if I could read my stories with the proper emphasis included.


On 16/01/2017 10:24 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Sharni,

Re using Jarte and the Office compatibility pack, try this link from Microsoft directly: https://www.microsoft.com/en-au/download/details.aspx?id=3

The en-au in the middle of that address is because I'm in Australia, feel free to change it to en-us or en-uk etc as needed, I'm not sure it makes a difference for this.

Regarding wordpad not properly identifying text attributes like Italic, what version of Windows do you have again?  I've tried in the regular stable build of Windows 10 and in the latest fast insider build (15007) and NVDA (2016.4) identifies italic etc text in the middle of a line correctly.  EG if I type:

The quick brown fox

and italicise the word "brown", NVDA reads:

The quick italic brown no italic fox.

It does this in Wordpad, Word 2016, Jarte and LibreOffice.

Note that you need to have NVDA's document formatting set to report text attributes (for italic).  Press NVDA+control+d to get to that screen.  If you don't have that set, it won't identify the text as italic regardless of where it is.

The only place I've seen behaviour similar to what you mentioned (if the start of a line is italic thinking the whole line is, and not seeing it at all if it's in the middle of a line), is if part of a cell has different formatting in Excel.

Kind regards

Quentin.



On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Sharni-Lee Ward <sharni-lee.ward@...> wrote:

Thanks! As I said last night, when I tried to follow the link from the page it said "We are sorry, but the page could not be found" and gave me a ton of possible search options.


Really though, it doesn't matter what file format the document is when it comes to displaying. If I want to work in the file with Jarte, I have to save in rtf or .doc anyways. I just save a new copy in wordpad to the rtf format and then it reads it fine. I do miss announced page numbers and NVDA being nice about italics though. What I mean is, in Word Pad, if a word is italicised in the middle of a line, NVDA doesn't report it, and if it's at the beginning of a line, NVDA acts like the whole line is italicised even though it isn't. Same with bold, underline, and so on. Is there an addon that corrects this behaviour? Or will there be an improvement in NVDA in that regard? I know I'd be grateful     for it. Then Jarte would be just that bit less irritating.


On 16/01/2017 8:48 AM, Gene wrote:
You can download the installation file to allow you to work with docx files here:
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA

if you could please send the link to your dropbox, that would be very much appreciated. I also am considering using chart, but don't really want to pay the money for it partially because I don't have the money for it.

Noah Carver

> On Jan 15, 2017, at 15:16, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
>
> I would like to caution users that use an microsoft product, ie office 2013 and up certainly it does this on 2016.
> Aparently the older software has some incompatibility when upgrading the os from one version to another.
> It tends to default extentions back to open xml viewer which itself is not helpfull.
> Worse excell refuses to be able to process file commands and can not start until you repair office.
> For the systems that had filter pack aand the compatibility pack installed, I solved this by removing both these packs then repairing office as on restart no files opened at all.
> Ever since then updates have worked as expected.
> If you are on a shared system with office.
> Every time you update the os especially when its a security update not a performance update, including newer and older office updates, you will need to repair office with the quick repair before using it again.
> I am not sure why that is but thats a way to get round it.
> If you often need a share then thats fine but if you don't it is easier to kill the extra converter packs.
> I should also want to add that I have old word xp converters for some older files that came from an xp machine that perminantly exist on my dropbox cloud, they are so small just like xp sound recorder its unlikely I will ever kill them so they stay till I die I guess.
> I have no inttention of killing them.
> The only thing you do need is sevenzip to decompress them but if someone wants to make an installer email me and I'll send the link for copywrite reasons jarte can't store those on its site but.
>
>
>> On 16/01/2017 12:20 a.m., Gene wrote:
>> It doesn't need the purchased  version.  You can install the Microsoft pack that gives Microsoft Word and some other programs the ability to read docx files.  if you try to open a Docx file, a dialog comes up telling you that.  It may provide a link in the dialog to the JARTE web page where the subject is discussed further.
>> We don't know how Word is being useed so we don't know if JARTE has all the features desired but you can read about it and install and look at the program to see if it does.
>>
>> Gene
>>
>>
>> From: Brian's Mail list account
>> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 4:38 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA
>>
>>
>> The thing about Jarte is that to open docx files it needs the purchased
>> version as far as I know. OOpen and Libra Office seem to be able to load in
>> docx files, but as has been discussed here of late, the authors need to do
>> some more work to allow screenreaders to work on all parts of them like read
>> all etc.
>>
>> Of course it might  be possible to find an old copy of an older version of
>> Office pro corporate which I did and it still worked aand accepted the key.
>> Legal?  Well, its a grey area isn't it. if the original buyer is giving it
>> away, then who cares.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
>> Sent via blueyonder.
>> Please address personal email to:-
>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Sharni-Lee Ward" <sharni-lee.ward@...>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 5:18 AM
>> Subject: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>> My computer's keyboard's been acting up, and I have my Mum's as a
>>> backup, but it doesn't have Microsoft Office on it, and I was wondering
>>> if there was a decent free word processor out there, accessible with
>>> NVDA, that I could install on that computer instead. It would be nice if
>>> it could read and edit .docx files, but I'm aware I can't have everything.
>>>
>>>
>>> The most used features in Word for me are:
>>>
>>> The Spellchecker, including a whole dictionary of words I've added so
>>> Pokémon names, anime characters' names and names I just made up don't
>>> get flagged;
>>>
>>> The word-counter;
>>>
>>> Page-breaks;
>>>
>>> Headings (mostly for aesthetic reasons).
>>>
>>> If there's something out there that does all these things, and is free
>>> and accessible, I'll be pretty happy with it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>








--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 



Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released

 

Hi,

 

To tell you the truth, Windows 10 App Essentials will not work under anything other than Windows 10 build 10586 (Version 1511) or later.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 7:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released

 

I will when the new version comes out.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: January-15-17 5:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released

 

Hi,

Trying installing it in Windows 7.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 3:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released

 

Hi, could windows 7 users use it too?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: January-15-17 7:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released

 

Hi,

Yes, you have Anniversary Update, so go ahead and use 17.01.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rémy Ruiz
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 4:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released

 

Hi Joseph!
Thanks, i am using:
14393.693)
If I understand correctly, I can now cheerfully pass this new version:
Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01
Thanks again for all!
Have a good day!
Cheers since France.
Rémy

Le 14/01/2017 20:53, Joseph Lee a écrit :

Hi,

Open Start, type “winver” (without quotes) and press ENTER. If you are hearing builds other than 1024, 10586 and 14393, you are running an Insider Preview build.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rémy Ruiz
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 11:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released

 

Hi Josephe,
Thanks for jour job!
Sorry how to know if i am using  Windows Insider build?
For me Windows ten is new! :)
Thanks very much.
Cheers since France.
Rémy

Le 14/01/2017 18:08, Joseph Lee a écrit :

Hi everyone,

 

Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 is now available:

https://github.com/josephsl/wintenApps/releases/tag/17.01

 

Important: if you are using Windows Insider build 15002 or later, please do NOT use this build – you should either use the latest development snapshot or wait until add-on 17.02 comes out. Also, this version is the last one to support NVDA 2016.3 or earlier.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 


Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released

Arlene
 

I will when the new version comes out.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: January-15-17 5:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released

 

Hi,

Trying installing it in Windows 7.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 3:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released

 

Hi, could windows 7 users use it too?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: January-15-17 7:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released

 

Hi,

Yes, you have Anniversary Update, so go ahead and use 17.01.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rémy Ruiz
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 4:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released

 

Hi Joseph!
Thanks, i am using:
14393.693)
If I understand correctly, I can now cheerfully pass this new version:
Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01
Thanks again for all!
Have a good day!
Cheers since France.
Rémy

Le 14/01/2017 20:53, Joseph Lee a écrit :

Hi,

Open Start, type “winver” (without quotes) and press ENTER. If you are hearing builds other than 1024, 10586 and 14393, you are running an Insider Preview build.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rémy Ruiz
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 11:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released

 

Hi Josephe,
Thanks for jour job!
Sorry how to know if i am using  Windows Insider build?
For me Windows ten is new! :)
Thanks very much.
Cheers since France.
Rémy

Le 14/01/2017 18:08, Joseph Lee a écrit :

Hi everyone,

 

Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 is now available:

https://github.com/josephsl/wintenApps/releases/tag/17.01

 

Important: if you are using Windows Insider build 15002 or later, please do NOT use this build – you should either use the latest development snapshot or wait until add-on 17.02 comes out. Also, this version is the last one to support NVDA 2016.3 or earlier.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 


Re: accessible word processors with NVDA

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Gene,

 

I totally agree with you. Spelling is very important--especially if you're writing to a company or web developer. I remember the days when we didn't have things like spell checking. We had to look up unfamiliar words in the dictionary. Now that we have spell checking, there really is no excuse for poor spelling.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 3:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA

 

It may seem reasonable but it should strenuously be avoided.  Such mistakes lower the credibility of the person writing.  If someone writes to a web site developer about captures when they mean captchas, it will not be as credible to the web site developer when the person doesn't get the name right about what is being complained about.  In other words, it doesn't matter how something sounds.  No matter how an unfamiliar word sounds, the spelling should not be assumed. 

 

and it may be embarrassing.  Suppose you are writing to someone on a business matter and you spell the first name Steven with a v when it's Stephen, with a ph instead of a v.  That doesn't leave a good impression.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 5:41 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA

 

I used to do this with CAPTCHA, though to be fair, you do have to capture something to solve it—hidden words or numbers in an image or sound, the true image if you have to drag/drop parts of a picture, etc. It's a perfectly reasonable mistake to make. Good thing Espeak NG says it more clearly now, isn't it? :)

 

On 16/01/2017 10:33 AM, Gene wrote:

The program is free and it is not Jot.  It is JARTE j a r t e.  If blind people don't check the spelling of unfamiliar words they intend to use, they make these kinds of mistakes.  CAPTCHA is another glaring example,  It is chronically written "capture." 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene

Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 5:16 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA

 

Hi, is there a free trial for Jot? If so how long is it free before you have to pay? Or, do you have to buy it in order to use it?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account
Sent: January-15-17 2:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA

The thing about Jarte is that to open docx files it needs the purchased version as far as I know. OOpen and Libra Office seem to be able to load in docx files, but as has been discussed here of late, the authors need to do some more work to allow screenreaders to work on all parts of them like read all etc.

Of course it might  be possible to find an old copy of an older version of Office pro corporate which I did and it still worked aand accepted the key.
Legal?  Well, its a grey area isn't it. if the original buyer is giving it away, then who cares.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharni-Lee Ward" <sharni-lee.ward@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 5:18 AM
Subject: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA


> Hi,
>
>
> My computer's keyboard's been acting up, and I have my Mum's as a
> backup, but it doesn't have Microsoft Office on it, and I was wondering
> if there was a decent free word processor out there, accessible with
> NVDA, that I could install on that computer instead. It would be nice if
> it could read and edit .docx files, but I'm aware I can't have everything.
>
>
> The most used features in Word for me are:
>
> The Spellchecker, including a whole dictionary of words I've added so
> Pokémon names, anime characters' names and names I just made up don't
> get flagged;
>
> The word-counter;
>
> Page-breaks;
>
> Headings (mostly for aesthetic reasons).
>
> If there's something out there that does all these things, and is free
> and accessible, I'll be pretty happy with it.
>
>
>
>
>






 


Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released

 

Hi,

Trying installing it in Windows 7.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 3:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released

 

Hi, could windows 7 users use it too?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: January-15-17 7:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released

 

Hi,

Yes, you have Anniversary Update, so go ahead and use 17.01.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rémy Ruiz
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 4:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released

 

Hi Joseph!
Thanks, i am using:
14393.693)
If I understand correctly, I can now cheerfully pass this new version:
Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01
Thanks again for all!
Have a good day!
Cheers since France.
Rémy

Le 14/01/2017 20:53, Joseph Lee a écrit :

Hi,

Open Start, type “winver” (without quotes) and press ENTER. If you are hearing builds other than 1024, 10586 and 14393, you are running an Insider Preview build.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rémy Ruiz
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 11:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released

 

Hi Josephe,
Thanks for jour job!
Sorry how to know if i am using  Windows Insider build?
For me Windows ten is new! :)
Thanks very much.
Cheers since France.
Rémy

Le 14/01/2017 18:08, Joseph Lee a écrit :

Hi everyone,

 

Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 is now available:

https://github.com/josephsl/wintenApps/releases/tag/17.01

 

Important: if you are using Windows Insider build 15002 or later, please do NOT use this build – you should either use the latest development snapshot or wait until add-on 17.02 comes out. Also, this version is the last one to support NVDA 2016.3 or earlier.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 


Re: Start menu search box missing

 

I have had similar things just this morning.
Good thing I had a system restore.
I installed a lot of optional features then I deleted a lot of optionals because they didn't work.
I then decided to change my language to my country new zealand, it worked but sadly ended up not completed and then decided that it would just not work at all, ie search box only appeared from time to time to read with nvda at any rate and if I clicked things some settings never entered as if I had a bad keyboard oor something then the worst of it was that I tried optional features, I got a button that said typing, a list of features aand the history but no add button.
I am restoring back to 8 this morning which is when I started this thing.
If it works, I will make points before I try to fiddle round with anything I also tried to remove something that were not needed, and I assume those are critical system apps so I won't touch those either.
This aint my box, so if I do get it into a good state I may just leave it alone I do want to get a few fonts and languages set up on it though.

On 16/01/2017 10:07 a.m., Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:
this seems to be a long standing bug, now and again this happens I had
it happen on one computer the only real fix is reset the pc! or
install the classic shell I would rather reset if it was me.

On 15/01/2017 07:48, Dang Manh Cuong wrote:
To all listers
My wife's laptop installed Windows 10, has lost the search box on start
menu. How to solve this.
When I use NVDA, and press the Start menu key, it just says: pin view,
and I can't type anything to search.
Any help would be appreciated.
Cuong
---------------
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The Assistive technology specialist
Sao Mai Vocational and assistive center for the blind
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Tel: +84862573309
E-mail: vanphong@trungtamsaomai.org
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Yahoo! ID: manhcuong0312
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Twitter: @ManhCuongTech

.


Re: accessible word processors with NVDA

Gene
 

It may seem reasonable but it should strenuously be avoided.  Such mistakes lower the credibility of the person writing.  If someone writes to a web site developer about captures when they mean captchas, it will not be as credible to the web site developer when the person doesn't get the name right about what is being complained about.  In other words, it doesn't matter how something sounds.  No matter how an unfamiliar word sounds, the spelling should not be assumed. 
 
and it may be embarrassing.  Suppose you are writing to someone on a business matter and you spell the first name Steven with a v when it's Stephen, with a ph instead of a v.  That doesn't leave a good impression.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA

I used to do this with CAPTCHA, though to be fair, you do have to capture something to solve it—hidden words or numbers in an image or sound, the true image if you have to drag/drop parts of a picture, etc. It's a perfectly reasonable mistake to make. Good thing Espeak NG says it more clearly now, isn't it? :)


On 16/01/2017 10:33 AM, Gene wrote:
The program is free and it is not Jot.  It is JARTE j a r t e.  If blind people don't check the spelling of unfamiliar words they intend to use, they make these kinds of mistakes.  CAPTCHA is another glaring example,  It is chronically written "capture." 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Arlene
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA

Hi, is there a free trial for Jot? If so how long is it free before you have to pay? Or, do you have to buy it in order to use it?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account
Sent: January-15-17 2:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA

The thing about Jarte is that to open docx files it needs the purchased version as far as I know. OOpen and Libra Office seem to be able to load in docx files, but as has been discussed here of late, the authors need to do some more work to allow screenreaders to work on all parts of them like read all etc.

Of course it might  be possible to find an old copy of an older version of Office pro corporate which I did and it still worked aand accepted the key.
Legal?  Well, its a grey area isn't it. if the original buyer is giving it away, then who cares.

Brian

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Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharni-Lee Ward" <sharni-lee.ward@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 5:18 AM
Subject: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA


> Hi,
>
>
> My computer's keyboard's been acting up, and I have my Mum's as a
> backup, but it doesn't have Microsoft Office on it, and I was wondering
> if there was a decent free word processor out there, accessible with
> NVDA, that I could install on that computer instead. It would be nice if
> it could read and edit .docx files, but I'm aware I can't have everything.
>
>
> The most used features in Word for me are:
>
> The Spellchecker, including a whole dictionary of words I've added so
> Pokémon names, anime characters' names and names I just made up don't
> get flagged;
>
> The word-counter;
>
> Page-breaks;
>
> Headings (mostly for aesthetic reasons).
>
> If there's something out there that does all these things, and is free
> and accessible, I'll be pretty happy with it.
>
>
>
>
>









Re: accessible word processors with NVDA

Sharni-Lee Ward
 

I used to do this with CAPTCHA, though to be fair, you do have to capture something to solve it—hidden words or numbers in an image or sound, the true image if you have to drag/drop parts of a picture, etc. It's a perfectly reasonable mistake to make. Good thing Espeak NG says it more clearly now, isn't it? :)


On 16/01/2017 10:33 AM, Gene wrote:
The program is free and it is not Jot.  It is JARTE j a r t e.  If blind people don't check the spelling of unfamiliar words they intend to use, they make these kinds of mistakes.  CAPTCHA is another glaring example,  It is chronically written "capture." 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Arlene
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA

Hi, is there a free trial for Jot? If so how long is it free before you have to pay? Or, do you have to buy it in order to use it?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account
Sent: January-15-17 2:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA

The thing about Jarte is that to open docx files it needs the purchased version as far as I know. OOpen and Libra Office seem to be able to load in docx files, but as has been discussed here of late, the authors need to do some more work to allow screenreaders to work on all parts of them like read all etc.

Of course it might  be possible to find an old copy of an older version of Office pro corporate which I did and it still worked aand accepted the key.
Legal?  Well, its a grey area isn't it. if the original buyer is giving it away, then who cares.

Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharni-Lee Ward" <sharni-lee.ward@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 5:18 AM
Subject: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA


> Hi,
>
>
> My computer's keyboard's been acting up, and I have my Mum's as a
> backup, but it doesn't have Microsoft Office on it, and I was wondering
> if there was a decent free word processor out there, accessible with
> NVDA, that I could install on that computer instead. It would be nice if
> it could read and edit .docx files, but I'm aware I can't have everything.
>
>
> The most used features in Word for me are:
>
> The Spellchecker, including a whole dictionary of words I've added so
> Pokémon names, anime characters' names and names I just made up don't
> get flagged;
>
> The word-counter;
>
> Page-breaks;
>
> Headings (mostly for aesthetic reasons).
>
> If there's something out there that does all these things, and is free
> and accessible, I'll be pretty happy with it.
>
>
>
>
>









Re: accessible word processors with NVDA

Arlene
 

Thanks for the spelling.Had to send back my Braille display. Not working as it should.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: January-15-17 3:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA

 

The program is free and it is not Jot.  It is JARTE j a r t e.  If blind people don't check the spelling of unfamiliar words they intend to use, they make these kinds of mistakes.  CAPTCHA is another glaring example,  It is chronically written "capture." 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene

Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 5:16 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA

 

Hi, is there a free trial for Jot? If so how long is it free before you have to pay? Or, do you have to buy it in order to use it?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account
Sent: January-15-17 2:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA

The thing about Jarte is that to open docx files it needs the purchased version as far as I know. OOpen and Libra Office seem to be able to load in docx files, but as has been discussed here of late, the authors need to do some more work to allow screenreaders to work on all parts of them like read all etc.

Of course it might  be possible to find an old copy of an older version of Office pro corporate which I did and it still worked aand accepted the key.
Legal?  Well, its a grey area isn't it. if the original buyer is giving it away, then who cares.

Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharni-Lee Ward" <sharni-lee.ward@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 5:18 AM
Subject: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA


> Hi,
>
>
> My computer's keyboard's been acting up, and I have my Mum's as a
> backup, but it doesn't have Microsoft Office on it, and I was wondering
> if there was a decent free word processor out there, accessible with
> NVDA, that I could install on that computer instead. It would be nice if
> it could read and edit .docx files, but I'm aware I can't have everything.
>
>
> The most used features in Word for me are:
>
> The Spellchecker, including a whole dictionary of words I've added so
> Pokémon names, anime characters' names and names I just made up don't
> get flagged;
>
> The word-counter;
>
> Page-breaks;
>
> Headings (mostly for aesthetic reasons).
>
> If there's something out there that does all these things, and is free
> and accessible, I'll be pretty happy with it.
>
>
>
>
>







Re: accessible word processors with NVDA

Gene
 

In case there is any confusion, I'll point out that the free version does have spell checking.  You can run the spell checker.  It doesn't point out spelling errors as you type. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA

Arlene,

There is a free and a paid version of Jarte, the free version doesn't time out or anything, it just doesn't have all the features of the paid version.  You can download it from: http://www.jarte.com/download.html

Jarte Plus is the paid version which, in addition to the features of the free version, also has:
- Printable PDF manual
- Custom shortcut keys
- Customisable quick bar
- Background spell checking
- Auto correct
- Auto capitalise
- Split view mode
- Auto outline
- Project files
- Jarte personalities
- Remembers saved clipboard clips
- Define your own reference bar buttons and links
- Attach document notes
- File hyperlink text targets
- Smart quotes
- Status bar word count
- Roman numeral page numbering
- Priority support

Jarte plus costs $19.95 download or $34.95 on CD


On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Hi Sharni,

Re using Jarte and the Office compatibility pack, try this link from Microsoft directly: https://www.microsoft.com/en-au/download/details.aspx?id=3

The en-au in the middle of that address is because I'm in Australia, feel free to change it to en-us or en-uk etc as needed, I'm not sure it makes a difference for this.

Regarding wordpad not properly identifying text attributes like Italic, what version of Windows do you have again?  I've tried in the regular stable build of Windows 10 and in the latest fast insider build (15007) and NVDA (2016.4) identifies italic etc text in the middle of a line correctly.  EG if I type:

The quick brown fox

and italicise the word "brown", NVDA reads:

The quick italic brown no italic fox.

It does this in Wordpad, Word 2016, Jarte and LibreOffice.

Note that you need to have NVDA's document formatting set to report text attributes (for italic).  Press NVDA+control+d to get to that screen.  If you don't have that set, it won't identify the text as italic regardless of where it is.

The only place I've seen behaviour similar to what you mentioned (if the start of a line is italic thinking the whole line is, and not seeing it at all if it's in the middle of a line), is if part of a cell has different formatting in Excel.

Kind regards

Quentin.



On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Sharni-Lee Ward <sharni-lee.ward@...> wrote:

Thanks! As I said last night, when I tried to follow the link from the page it said "We are sorry, but the page could not be found" and gave me a ton of possible search options.


Really though, it doesn't matter what file format the document is when it comes to displaying. If I want to work in the file with Jarte, I have to save in rtf or .doc anyways. I just save a new copy in wordpad to the rtf format and then it reads it fine. I do miss announced page numbers and NVDA being nice about italics though. What I mean is, in Word Pad, if a word is italicised in the middle of a line, NVDA doesn't report it, and if it's at the beginning of a line, NVDA acts like the whole line is italicised even though it isn't. Same with bold, underline, and so on. Is there an addon that corrects this behaviour? Or will there be an improvement in NVDA in that regard? I know I'd be grateful     for it. Then Jarte would be just that bit less irritating.


On 16/01/2017 8:48 AM, Gene wrote:
You can download the installation file to allow you to work with docx files here:
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA

if you could please send the link to your dropbox, that would be very much appreciated. I also am considering using chart, but don't really want to pay the money for it partially because I don't have the money for it.

Noah Carver

> On Jan 15, 2017, at 15:16, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
>
> I would like to caution users that use an microsoft product, ie office 2013 and up certainly it does this on 2016.
> Aparently the older software has some incompatibility when upgrading the os from one version to another.
> It tends to default extentions back to open xml viewer which itself is not helpfull.
> Worse excell refuses to be able to process file commands and can not start until you repair office.
> For the systems that had filter pack aand the compatibility pack installed, I solved this by removing both these packs then repairing office as on restart no files opened at all.
> Ever since then updates have worked as expected.
> If you are on a shared system with office.
> Every time you update the os especially when its a security update not a performance update, including newer and older office updates, you will need to repair office with the quick repair before using it again.
> I am not sure why that is but thats a way to get round it.
> If you often need a share then thats fine but if you don't it is easier to kill the extra converter packs.
> I should also want to add that I have old word xp converters for some older files that came from an xp machine that perminantly exist on my dropbox cloud, they are so small just like xp sound recorder its unlikely I will ever kill them so they stay till I die I guess.
> I have no inttention of killing them.
> The only thing you do need is sevenzip to decompress them but if someone wants to make an installer email me and I'll send the link for copywrite reasons jarte can't store those on its site but.
>
>
>> On 16/01/2017 12:20 a.m., Gene wrote:
>> It doesn't need the purchased  version.  You can install the Microsoft pack that gives Microsoft Word and some other programs the ability to read docx files.  if you try to open a Docx file, a dialog comes up telling you that.  It may provide a link in the dialog to the JARTE web page where the subject is discussed further.
>> We don't know how Word is being useed so we don't know if JARTE has all the features desired but you can read about it and install and look at the program to see if it does.
>>
>> Gene
>>
>>
>> From: Brian's Mail list account
>> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 4:38 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA
>>
>>
>> The thing about Jarte is that to open docx files it needs the purchased
>> version as far as I know. OOpen and Libra Office seem to be able to load in
>> docx files, but as has been discussed here of late, the authors need to do
>> some more work to allow screenreaders to work on all parts of them like read
>> all etc.
>>
>> Of course it might  be possible to find an old copy of an older version of
>> Office pro corporate which I did and it still worked aand accepted the key.
>> Legal?  Well, its a grey area isn't it. if the original buyer is giving it
>> away, then who cares.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
>> Sent via blueyonder.
>> Please address personal email to:-
>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Sharni-Lee Ward" <sharni-lee.ward@...>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 5:18 AM
>> Subject: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>> My computer's keyboard's been acting up, and I have my Mum's as a
>>> backup, but it doesn't have Microsoft Office on it, and I was wondering
>>> if there was a decent free word processor out there, accessible with
>>> NVDA, that I could install on that computer instead. It would be nice if
>>> it could read and edit .docx files, but I'm aware I can't have everything.
>>>
>>>
>>> The most used features in Word for me are:
>>>
>>> The Spellchecker, including a whole dictionary of words I've added so
>>> Pokémon names, anime characters' names and names I just made up don't
>>> get flagged;
>>>
>>> The word-counter;
>>>
>>> Page-breaks;
>>>
>>> Headings (mostly for aesthetic reasons).
>>>
>>> If there's something out there that does all these things, and is free
>>> and accessible, I'll be pretty happy with it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>








--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 




--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: accessible word processors with NVDA

Sharni-Lee Ward
 

Arlene,


Jarte is free! There's a paid version called Jarte Plus with some extra
features if you really want them, but the base program is free and has
plenty of features to be going on with. :)

On 16/01/2017 10:16 AM, Arlene wrote:
Hi, is there a free trial for Jot? If so how long is it free before you have to pay? Or, do you have to buy it in order to use it?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account
Sent: January-15-17 2:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA

The thing about Jarte is that to open docx files it needs the purchased version as far as I know. OOpen and Libra Office seem to be able to load in docx files, but as has been discussed here of late, the authors need to do some more work to allow screenreaders to work on all parts of them like read all etc.

Of course it might be possible to find an old copy of an older version of Office pro corporate which I did and it still worked aand accepted the key.
Legal? Well, its a grey area isn't it. if the original buyer is giving it away, then who cares.

Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharni-Lee Ward" <sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 5:18 AM
Subject: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA


Hi,


My computer's keyboard's been acting up, and I have my Mum's as a
backup, but it doesn't have Microsoft Office on it, and I was wondering
if there was a decent free word processor out there, accessible with
NVDA, that I could install on that computer instead. It would be nice if
it could read and edit .docx files, but I'm aware I can't have everything.


The most used features in Word for me are:

The Spellchecker, including a whole dictionary of words I've added so
Pokémon names, anime characters' names and names I just made up don't
get flagged;

The word-counter;

Page-breaks;

Headings (mostly for aesthetic reasons).

If there's something out there that does all these things, and is free
and accessible, I'll be pretty happy with it.









Re: accessible word processors with NVDA

Sharni-Lee Ward
 

Hi,


I'm using Windows 7 and NVDA 2016.4. I read one of my files with Jarte and it still displayed the same behaviour I described. That was last night.


Also, thanks for the official link. :)


On 16/01/2017 10:24 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Sharni,

Re using Jarte and the Office compatibility pack, try this link from Microsoft directly: https://www.microsoft.com/en-au/download/details.aspx?id=3

The en-au in the middle of that address is because I'm in Australia, feel free to change it to en-us or en-uk etc as needed, I'm not sure it makes a difference for this.

Regarding wordpad not properly identifying text attributes like Italic, what version of Windows do you have again?  I've tried in the regular stable build of Windows 10 and in the latest fast insider build (15007) and NVDA (2016.4) identifies italic etc text in the middle of a line correctly.  EG if I type:

The quick brown fox

and italicise the word "brown", NVDA reads:

The quick italic brown no italic fox.

It does this in Wordpad, Word 2016, Jarte and LibreOffice.

Note that you need to have NVDA's document formatting set to report text attributes (for italic).  Press NVDA+control+d to get to that screen.  If you don't have that set, it won't identify the text as italic regardless of where it is.

The only place I've seen behaviour similar to what you mentioned (if the start of a line is italic thinking the whole line is, and not seeing it at all if it's in the middle of a line), is if part of a cell has different formatting in Excel.

Kind regards

Quentin.



On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Sharni-Lee Ward <sharni-lee.ward@...> wrote:

Thanks! As I said last night, when I tried to follow the link from the page it said "We are sorry, but the page could not be found" and gave me a ton of possible search options.


Really though, it doesn't matter what file format the document is when it comes to displaying. If I want to work in the file with Jarte, I have to save in rtf or .doc anyways. I just save a new copy in wordpad to the rtf format and then it reads it fine. I do miss announced page numbers and NVDA being nice about italics though. What I mean is, in Word Pad, if a word is italicised in the middle of a line, NVDA doesn't report it, and if it's at the beginning of a line, NVDA acts like the whole line is italicised even though it isn't. Same with bold, underline, and so on. Is there an addon that corrects this behaviour? Or will there be an improvement in NVDA in that regard? I know I'd be grateful     for it. Then Jarte would be just that bit less irritating.


On 16/01/2017 8:48 AM, Gene wrote:
You can download the installation file to allow you to work with docx files here:
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA

if you could please send the link to your dropbox, that would be very much appreciated. I also am considering using chart, but don't really want to pay the money for it partially because I don't have the money for it.

Noah Carver

> On Jan 15, 2017, at 15:16, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
>
> I would like to caution users that use an microsoft product, ie office 2013 and up certainly it does this on 2016.
> Aparently the older software has some incompatibility when upgrading the os from one version to another.
> It tends to default extentions back to open xml viewer which itself is not helpfull.
> Worse excell refuses to be able to process file commands and can not start until you repair office.
> For the systems that had filter pack aand the compatibility pack installed, I solved this by removing both these packs then repairing office as on restart no files opened at all.
> Ever since then updates have worked as expected.
> If you are on a shared system with office.
> Every time you update the os especially when its a security update not a performance update, including newer and older office updates, you will need to repair office with the quick repair before using it again.
> I am not sure why that is but thats a way to get round it.
> If you often need a share then thats fine but if you don't it is easier to kill the extra converter packs.
> I should also want to add that I have old word xp converters for some older files that came from an xp machine that perminantly exist on my dropbox cloud, they are so small just like xp sound recorder its unlikely I will ever kill them so they stay till I die I guess.
> I have no inttention of killing them.
> The only thing you do need is sevenzip to decompress them but if someone wants to make an installer email me and I'll send the link for copywrite reasons jarte can't store those on its site but.
>
>
>> On 16/01/2017 12:20 a.m., Gene wrote:
>> It doesn't need the purchased  version.  You can install the Microsoft pack that gives Microsoft Word and some other programs the ability to read docx files.  if you try to open a Docx file, a dialog comes up telling you that.  It may provide a link in the dialog to the JARTE web page where the subject is discussed further.
>> We don't know how Word is being useed so we don't know if JARTE has all the features desired but you can read about it and install and look at the program to see if it does.
>>
>> Gene
>>
>>
>> From: Brian's Mail list account
>> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 4:38 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA
>>
>>
>> The thing about Jarte is that to open docx files it needs the purchased
>> version as far as I know. OOpen and Libra Office seem to be able to load in
>> docx files, but as has been discussed here of late, the authors need to do
>> some more work to allow screenreaders to work on all parts of them like read
>> all etc.
>>
>> Of course it might  be possible to find an old copy of an older version of
>> Office pro corporate which I did and it still worked aand accepted the key.
>> Legal?  Well, its a grey area isn't it. if the original buyer is giving it
>> away, then who cares.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
>> Sent via blueyonder.
>> Please address personal email to:-
>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Sharni-Lee Ward" <sharni-lee.ward@...>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 5:18 AM
>> Subject: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>> My computer's keyboard's been acting up, and I have my Mum's as a
>>> backup, but it doesn't have Microsoft Office on it, and I was wondering
>>> if there was a decent free word processor out there, accessible with
>>> NVDA, that I could install on that computer instead. It would be nice if
>>> it could read and edit .docx files, but I'm aware I can't have everything.
>>>
>>>
>>> The most used features in Word for me are:
>>>
>>> The Spellchecker, including a whole dictionary of words I've added so
>>> Pokémon names, anime characters' names and names I just made up don't
>>> get flagged;
>>>
>>> The word-counter;
>>>
>>> Page-breaks;
>>>
>>> Headings (mostly for aesthetic reasons).
>>>
>>> If there's something out there that does all these things, and is free
>>> and accessible, I'll be pretty happy with it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>








--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 



Re: accessible word processors with NVDA

Gene
 

The program is free and it is not Jot.  It is JARTE j a r t e.  If blind people don't check the spelling of unfamiliar words they intend to use, they make these kinds of mistakes.  CAPTCHA is another glaring example,  It is chronically written "capture." 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Arlene
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA

Hi, is there a free trial for Jot? If so how long is it free before you have to pay? Or, do you have to buy it in order to use it?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account
Sent: January-15-17 2:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA

The thing about Jarte is that to open docx files it needs the purchased version as far as I know. OOpen and Libra Office seem to be able to load in docx files, but as has been discussed here of late, the authors need to do some more work to allow screenreaders to work on all parts of them like read all etc.

Of course it might  be possible to find an old copy of an older version of Office pro corporate which I did and it still worked aand accepted the key.
Legal?  Well, its a grey area isn't it. if the original buyer is giving it away, then who cares.

Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharni-Lee Ward" <sharni-lee.ward@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 5:18 AM
Subject: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA


> Hi,
>
>
> My computer's keyboard's been acting up, and I have my Mum's as a
> backup, but it doesn't have Microsoft Office on it, and I was wondering
> if there was a decent free word processor out there, accessible with
> NVDA, that I could install on that computer instead. It would be nice if
> it could read and edit .docx files, but I'm aware I can't have everything.
>
>
> The most used features in Word for me are:
>
> The Spellchecker, including a whole dictionary of words I've added so
> Pokémon names, anime characters' names and names I just made up don't
> get flagged;
>
> The word-counter;
>
> Page-breaks;
>
> Headings (mostly for aesthetic reasons).
>
> If there's something out there that does all these things, and is free
> and accessible, I'll be pretty happy with it.
>
>
>
>
>








Re: accessible word processors with NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

Arlene,

There is a free and a paid version of Jarte, the free version doesn't time out or anything, it just doesn't have all the features of the paid version.  You can download it from: http://www.jarte.com/download.html

Jarte Plus is the paid version which, in addition to the features of the free version, also has:
- Printable PDF manual
- Custom shortcut keys
- Customisable quick bar
- Background spell checking
- Auto correct
- Auto capitalise
- Split view mode
- Auto outline
- Project files
- Jarte personalities
- Remembers saved clipboard clips
- Define your own reference bar buttons and links
- Attach document notes
- File hyperlink text targets
- Smart quotes
- Status bar word count
- Roman numeral page numbering
- Priority support

Jarte plus costs $19.95 download or $34.95 on CD


On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Hi Sharni,

Re using Jarte and the Office compatibility pack, try this link from Microsoft directly: https://www.microsoft.com/en-au/download/details.aspx?id=3

The en-au in the middle of that address is because I'm in Australia, feel free to change it to en-us or en-uk etc as needed, I'm not sure it makes a difference for this.

Regarding wordpad not properly identifying text attributes like Italic, what version of Windows do you have again?  I've tried in the regular stable build of Windows 10 and in the latest fast insider build (15007) and NVDA (2016.4) identifies italic etc text in the middle of a line correctly.  EG if I type:

The quick brown fox

and italicise the word "brown", NVDA reads:

The quick italic brown no italic fox.

It does this in Wordpad, Word 2016, Jarte and LibreOffice.

Note that you need to have NVDA's document formatting set to report text attributes (for italic).  Press NVDA+control+d to get to that screen.  If you don't have that set, it won't identify the text as italic regardless of where it is.

The only place I've seen behaviour similar to what you mentioned (if the start of a line is italic thinking the whole line is, and not seeing it at all if it's in the middle of a line), is if part of a cell has different formatting in Excel.

Kind regards

Quentin.



On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Sharni-Lee Ward <sharni-lee.ward@...> wrote:

Thanks! As I said last night, when I tried to follow the link from the page it said "We are sorry, but the page could not be found" and gave me a ton of possible search options.


Really though, it doesn't matter what file format the document is when it comes to displaying. If I want to work in the file with Jarte, I have to save in rtf or .doc anyways. I just save a new copy in wordpad to the rtf format and then it reads it fine. I do miss announced page numbers and NVDA being nice about italics though. What I mean is, in Word Pad, if a word is italicised in the middle of a line, NVDA doesn't report it, and if it's at the beginning of a line, NVDA acts like the whole line is italicised even though it isn't. Same with bold, underline, and so on. Is there an addon that corrects this behaviour? Or will there be an improvement in NVDA in that regard? I know I'd be grateful     for it. Then Jarte would be just that bit less irritating.


On 16/01/2017 8:48 AM, Gene wrote:
You can download the installation file to allow you to work with docx files here:
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA

if you could please send the link to your dropbox, that would be very much appreciated. I also am considering using chart, but don't really want to pay the money for it partially because I don't have the money for it.

Noah Carver

> On Jan 15, 2017, at 15:16, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
>
> I would like to caution users that use an microsoft product, ie office 2013 and up certainly it does this on 2016.
> Aparently the older software has some incompatibility when upgrading the os from one version to another.
> It tends to default extentions back to open xml viewer which itself is not helpfull.
> Worse excell refuses to be able to process file commands and can not start until you repair office.
> For the systems that had filter pack aand the compatibility pack installed, I solved this by removing both these packs then repairing office as on restart no files opened at all.
> Ever since then updates have worked as expected.
> If you are on a shared system with office.
> Every time you update the os especially when its a security update not a performance update, including newer and older office updates, you will need to repair office with the quick repair before using it again.
> I am not sure why that is but thats a way to get round it.
> If you often need a share then thats fine but if you don't it is easier to kill the extra converter packs.
> I should also want to add that I have old word xp converters for some older files that came from an xp machine that perminantly exist on my dropbox cloud, they are so small just like xp sound recorder its unlikely I will ever kill them so they stay till I die I guess.
> I have no inttention of killing them.
> The only thing you do need is sevenzip to decompress them but if someone wants to make an installer email me and I'll send the link for copywrite reasons jarte can't store those on its site but.
>
>
>> On 16/01/2017 12:20 a.m., Gene wrote:
>> It doesn't need the purchased  version.  You can install the Microsoft pack that gives Microsoft Word and some other programs the ability to read docx files.  if you try to open a Docx file, a dialog comes up telling you that.  It may provide a link in the dialog to the JARTE web page where the subject is discussed further.
>> We don't know how Word is being useed so we don't know if JARTE has all the features desired but you can read about it and install and look at the program to see if it does.
>>
>> Gene
>>
>>
>> From: Brian's Mail list account
>> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 4:38 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA
>>
>>
>> The thing about Jarte is that to open docx files it needs the purchased
>> version as far as I know. OOpen and Libra Office seem to be able to load in
>> docx files, but as has been discussed here of late, the authors need to do
>> some more work to allow screenreaders to work on all parts of them like read
>> all etc.
>>
>> Of course it might  be possible to find an old copy of an older version of
>> Office pro corporate which I did and it still worked aand accepted the key.
>> Legal?  Well, its a grey area isn't it. if the original buyer is giving it
>> away, then who cares.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
>> Sent via blueyonder.
>> Please address personal email to:-
>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Sharni-Lee Ward" <sharni-lee.ward@...>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 5:18 AM
>> Subject: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>> My computer's keyboard's been acting up, and I have my Mum's as a
>>> backup, but it doesn't have Microsoft Office on it, and I was wondering
>>> if there was a decent free word processor out there, accessible with
>>> NVDA, that I could install on that computer instead. It would be nice if
>>> it could read and edit .docx files, but I'm aware I can't have everything.
>>>
>>>
>>> The most used features in Word for me are:
>>>
>>> The Spellchecker, including a whole dictionary of words I've added so
>>> Pokémon names, anime characters' names and names I just made up don't
>>> get flagged;
>>>
>>> The word-counter;
>>>
>>> Page-breaks;
>>>
>>> Headings (mostly for aesthetic reasons).
>>>
>>> If there's something out there that does all these things, and is free
>>> and accessible, I'll be pretty happy with it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>








--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 




--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: accessible word processors with NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Sharni,

Re using Jarte and the Office compatibility pack, try this link from Microsoft directly: https://www.microsoft.com/en-au/download/details.aspx?id=3

The en-au in the middle of that address is because I'm in Australia, feel free to change it to en-us or en-uk etc as needed, I'm not sure it makes a difference for this.

Regarding wordpad not properly identifying text attributes like Italic, what version of Windows do you have again?  I've tried in the regular stable build of Windows 10 and in the latest fast insider build (15007) and NVDA (2016.4) identifies italic etc text in the middle of a line correctly.  EG if I type:

The quick brown fox

and italicise the word "brown", NVDA reads:

The quick italic brown no italic fox.

It does this in Wordpad, Word 2016, Jarte and LibreOffice.

Note that you need to have NVDA's document formatting set to report text attributes (for italic).  Press NVDA+control+d to get to that screen.  If you don't have that set, it won't identify the text as italic regardless of where it is.

The only place I've seen behaviour similar to what you mentioned (if the start of a line is italic thinking the whole line is, and not seeing it at all if it's in the middle of a line), is if part of a cell has different formatting in Excel.

Kind regards

Quentin.



On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Sharni-Lee Ward <sharni-lee.ward@...> wrote:

Thanks! As I said last night, when I tried to follow the link from the page it said "We are sorry, but the page could not be found" and gave me a ton of possible search options.


Really though, it doesn't matter what file format the document is when it comes to displaying. If I want to work in the file with Jarte, I have to save in rtf or .doc anyways. I just save a new copy in wordpad to the rtf format and then it reads it fine. I do miss announced page numbers and NVDA being nice about italics though. What I mean is, in Word Pad, if a word is italicised in the middle of a line, NVDA doesn't report it, and if it's at the beginning of a line, NVDA acts like the whole line is italicised even though it isn't. Same with bold, underline, and so on. Is there an addon that corrects this behaviour? Or will there be an improvement in NVDA in that regard? I know I'd be grateful     for it. Then Jarte would be just that bit less irritating.


On 16/01/2017 8:48 AM, Gene wrote:
You can download the installation file to allow you to work with docx files here:
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA

if you could please send the link to your dropbox, that would be very much appreciated. I also am considering using chart, but don't really want to pay the money for it partially because I don't have the money for it.

Noah Carver

> On Jan 15, 2017, at 15:16, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
>
> I would like to caution users that use an microsoft product, ie office 2013 and up certainly it does this on 2016.
> Aparently the older software has some incompatibility when upgrading the os from one version to another.
> It tends to default extentions back to open xml viewer which itself is not helpfull.
> Worse excell refuses to be able to process file commands and can not start until you repair office.
> For the systems that had filter pack aand the compatibility pack installed, I solved this by removing both these packs then repairing office as on restart no files opened at all.
> Ever since then updates have worked as expected.
> If you are on a shared system with office.
> Every time you update the os especially when its a security update not a performance update, including newer and older office updates, you will need to repair office with the quick repair before using it again.
> I am not sure why that is but thats a way to get round it.
> If you often need a share then thats fine but if you don't it is easier to kill the extra converter packs.
> I should also want to add that I have old word xp converters for some older files that came from an xp machine that perminantly exist on my dropbox cloud, they are so small just like xp sound recorder its unlikely I will ever kill them so they stay till I die I guess.
> I have no inttention of killing them.
> The only thing you do need is sevenzip to decompress them but if someone wants to make an installer email me and I'll send the link for copywrite reasons jarte can't store those on its site but.
>
>
>> On 16/01/2017 12:20 a.m., Gene wrote:
>> It doesn't need the purchased  version.  You can install the Microsoft pack that gives Microsoft Word and some other programs the ability to read docx files.  if you try to open a Docx file, a dialog comes up telling you that.  It may provide a link in the dialog to the JARTE web page where the subject is discussed further.
>> We don't know how Word is being useed so we don't know if JARTE has all the features desired but you can read about it and install and look at the program to see if it does.
>>
>> Gene
>>
>>
>> From: Brian's Mail list account
>> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 4:38 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA
>>
>>
>> The thing about Jarte is that to open docx files it needs the purchased
>> version as far as I know. OOpen and Libra Office seem to be able to load in
>> docx files, but as has been discussed here of late, the authors need to do
>> some more work to allow screenreaders to work on all parts of them like read
>> all etc.
>>
>> Of course it might  be possible to find an old copy of an older version of
>> Office pro corporate which I did and it still worked aand accepted the key.
>> Legal?  Well, its a grey area isn't it. if the original buyer is giving it
>> away, then who cares.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
>> Sent via blueyonder.
>> Please address personal email to:-
>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Sharni-Lee Ward" <sharni-lee.ward@...>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 5:18 AM
>> Subject: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>> My computer's keyboard's been acting up, and I have my Mum's as a
>>> backup, but it doesn't have Microsoft Office on it, and I was wondering
>>> if there was a decent free word processor out there, accessible with
>>> NVDA, that I could install on that computer instead. It would be nice if
>>> it could read and edit .docx files, but I'm aware I can't have everything.
>>>
>>>
>>> The most used features in Word for me are:
>>>
>>> The Spellchecker, including a whole dictionary of words I've added so
>>> Pokémon names, anime characters' names and names I just made up don't
>>> get flagged;
>>>
>>> The word-counter;
>>>
>>> Page-breaks;
>>>
>>> Headings (mostly for aesthetic reasons).
>>>
>>> If there's something out there that does all these things, and is free
>>> and accessible, I'll be pretty happy with it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>








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Re: accessible word processors with NVDA

Arlene
 

Hi, is there a free trial for Jot? If so how long is it free before you have to pay? Or, do you have to buy it in order to use it?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account
Sent: January-15-17 2:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA

The thing about Jarte is that to open docx files it needs the purchased version as far as I know. OOpen and Libra Office seem to be able to load in docx files, but as has been discussed here of late, the authors need to do some more work to allow screenreaders to work on all parts of them like read all etc.

Of course it might be possible to find an old copy of an older version of Office pro corporate which I did and it still worked aand accepted the key.
Legal? Well, its a grey area isn't it. if the original buyer is giving it away, then who cares.

Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharni-Lee Ward" <sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 5:18 AM
Subject: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA


Hi,


My computer's keyboard's been acting up, and I have my Mum's as a
backup, but it doesn't have Microsoft Office on it, and I was wondering
if there was a decent free word processor out there, accessible with
NVDA, that I could install on that computer instead. It would be nice if
it could read and edit .docx files, but I'm aware I can't have everything.


The most used features in Word for me are:

The Spellchecker, including a whole dictionary of words I've added so
Pokémon names, anime characters' names and names I just made up don't
get flagged;

The word-counter;

Page-breaks;

Headings (mostly for aesthetic reasons).

If there's something out there that does all these things, and is free
and accessible, I'll be pretty happy with it.





Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released

Arlene
 

Hi, could windows 7 users use it too?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: January-15-17 7:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released

 

Hi,

Yes, you have Anniversary Update, so go ahead and use 17.01.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rémy Ruiz
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 4:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released

 

Hi Joseph!
Thanks, i am using:
14393.693)
If I understand correctly, I can now cheerfully pass this new version:
Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01
Thanks again for all!
Have a good day!
Cheers since France.
Rémy

Le 14/01/2017 20:53, Joseph Lee a écrit :

Hi,

Open Start, type “winver” (without quotes) and press ENTER. If you are hearing builds other than 1024, 10586 and 14393, you are running an Insider Preview build.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rémy Ruiz
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 11:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released

 

Hi Josephe,
Thanks for jour job!
Sorry how to know if i am using  Windows Insider build?
For me Windows ten is new! :)
Thanks very much.
Cheers since France.
Rémy

Le 14/01/2017 18:08, Joseph Lee a écrit :

Hi everyone,

 

Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 is now available:

https://github.com/josephsl/wintenApps/releases/tag/17.01

 

Important: if you are using Windows Insider build 15002 or later, please do NOT use this build – you should either use the latest development snapshot or wait until add-on 17.02 comes out. Also, this version is the last one to support NVDA 2016.3 or earlier.

Cheers,

Joseph