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Not sure you can do this without some kind of hack tool.
I seem to recall that if you reinstall windows you can do it but that is not what you want I'd assume. If it were easy to do it there would be no point in having a passwordto start with.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Pascal Lambert" <rambeau68@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 5:48 PM Subject: [nvda] removing a forgotten password Please, need your urgent help. I need to remove a forgotten password on a laptop I need to access. It is an HP laptop using Win10. Many thanks. Blessings. Pascal From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 9:05 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor Also, these sorts of attributes can be found by opening the menus, opening tools, then opening fonts from the tools submenu. Select a fond in the list. Then tab once. You will be in a list of attributes for the font, italics being one. I didn't tab further to see what else is in the dialog. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 7:55 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor You can set fonts. It is more or less the case that if the old Wordpad can do something, HJPad can do it. If you type a sentence and use control I to toggle between italics on and off, the text will be italicized where indicated. I see no reason to believe other such commands are absent. I haven't seen this stated anywhere, but just comparing the old Wordpad to HJPad, even the name, indicates that it was built on the old WordPad. It was intended for use with JAWS basic training material. It may be that the basic training material has changed to the point where HJPad isn't as useful with it as before. Those who are curious will find, in the HJPad menus under tools, a submenu named sample dialogs. It is interesting to play around with the sample dialogs. Some of them would still make good teaching tools and references. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: David Griffith <mailto:daj.griffith@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 7:37 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor HJPad does appear to have been removed as an explicitly supported Utility in Jaws but I actually found it buried away in a strange location even with Jaws 18. Quite why it would be hidden in this location I do not know. It does have a spell checker but little else really. As far as I can tell you can edit the font but cannot set any font attributes like bold, italic, or underline. I always saw it as really a possible notepad replacement rather than a word processor. Despite being buried away it does still work. Anyway I found it on my system under the follwoing very odd path C:\Windows\Installer\$PatchCache$\Managed\38E784264F70E08468F74BA4CC2F4C2E\18.0.1835\HJPAD.EXE David Griffith David Griffith On 16/01/2017 10:10, Robert Kingett wrote: I have not seen any H J Pad, but OpenOffice is the most accessible
word processor besides Microsoft word. There is Jarte, of course, but
I do not count that because you have to pay to get all of the features.
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Re: accessible word processors with NVDA
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I have a feeling though that if you save as word 97, it always opens in Jarte.
Jarte I think is based on the xp version of Wordpad, so it seems to be unaware of some of the ways files are saved hence the gibberish.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA Hi Sharni, When you reply to a list message, it automatically goes to the list, but if you reply all, you can grab the address of the sender, or read the header information of the message I sent (depending on how you read your mail it will often include it) but my address is quentin@nvaccess.org (Please note, I'm just saying that for information, not attacking you for not finding it - it's actually not obvious unless you know where to look!) I just tried writing the line I mentioned earlier "the quick brown fox" with brown italicised, in word 2016, saving it as doc and rtf and opening in both Jarte and WordPad. Neither wanted to open the doc file at all (Wordpad opened it all mangled - no actual text, and Jarte wanted that converter I linked to but never downloaded myself). Opening the RTF file, both Jarte and WordPad read it fine, either navigating by word / character, or using say all or read line. Definitely what I would say is that if you are constantly opening files that were written in Microsoft Office, and the formatting etc is very important, then you really are best off biting the bullet and buying Office - no other program is guaranteed to open it properly. If you write and save your own documents, then Jarte looks pretty good - as far as I notice, the issues we've been talking about have all been from importing a document from Word, is that correct? Writing text in Jarte and then saving and reopening works fine? Having said all that, I've been in situations at various times where I didn't have access to Word but needed to open a Word document and programs like Jarte and WordPad can do it almost always well enough to read and likely even edit. It just depends on what you are doing, where you are getting your files and what you need to do with them. Regards Quentin. On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 9:08 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward < sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com> wrote: Hi,
I've just made this file in Jarte itself, saved in .rtf. It behaves as I
described below. Since it's a test file specifically created to demonstrate
my issue, I have no problems sending it to the list at large. It's
perfectly safe, guys!
On 16/01/2017 8:58 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
Quentin,
I've noticed the opposite. I had Microsoft Word Starter 2010 on my
original computer when I first got it, and then Microsoft Office 2013 when
Mum bought me a license for one computer. NVDA always reads italics and
bold as expected, only on the words that formatting is affecting. In Word
Pad, saved into rtf for the purposes of reading and working with it in
JARTE, the same files the emphasis is clearly announced in have it blurred.
Single italicised words in the middle of lines are passed over, while words
at the beginning of the line dictate whether the whole line will be treated
as plain, italic or bold. When scrolling over it character by character, it
doesn't do this, but when I use say-all, it behaves as I described. It may
be something to do with Office messing things up even when the file's saved
as rtf, but I remember noticing this a long time ago when I thought writing
in word pad was my only means of writing. That resulted in me posting a
chapter of a fanfiction with a whole chunk of text in italics that I never
meant to be so.
I'd send a file, but your email doesn't seem to be tied to this message,
only the email address of the list, and all the relevant files are of
stories or parts of stories I have written. I'm quite protective of rough
drafts of things...
On 16/01/2017 4:50 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Sharni,
No I'm not using anything special. If you are re-using the same Word file
over and over or the same template, it's possible there's something hidden
in it that could be causing problems. To be honest, I've more seen that in
Office itself and opening a file in something other than office is more
likely to fix it, but you never know. If you have a file that's doing it,
that you are happy to send me offline, I can have a look and see if it
works on my computer.
Kind regards
Quentin.
On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 4:17 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward <
sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com> wrote:
Quentin, do you have any addons or something that might have changed how
NVDA reads Word Pad/Jarte files? I'd be super grateful. I'd have no problem
using Jarte if I could read my stories with the proper emphasis included.
On 16/01/2017 10:24 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Sharni,
Re using Jarte and the Office compatibility pack, try this link from
Microsoft directly: https://www.microsoft.com/en-au/download/details.
aspx?id=3
The en-au in the middle of that address is because I'm in Australia, feel
free to change it to en-us or en-uk etc as needed, I'm not sure it makes a
difference for this.
Regarding wordpad not properly identifying text attributes like Italic,
what version of Windows do you have again? I've tried in the regular
stable build of Windows 10 and in the latest fast insider build (15007) and
NVDA (2016.4) identifies italic etc text in the middle of a line
correctly. EG if I type:
The quick brown fox
and italicise the word "brown", NVDA reads:
The quick italic brown no italic fox.
It does this in Wordpad, Word 2016, Jarte and LibreOffice.
Note that you need to have NVDA's document formatting set to report text
attributes (for italic). Press NVDA+control+d to get to that screen. If
you don't have that set, it won't identify the text as italic regardless of
where it is.
The only place I've seen behaviour similar to what you mentioned (if the
start of a line is italic thinking the whole line is, and not seeing it at
all if it's in the middle of a line), is if part of a cell has different
formatting in Excel.
Kind regards
Quentin.
On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Sharni-Lee Ward <
sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com> wrote:
Thanks! As I said last night, when I tried to follow the link from the
page it said "We are sorry, but the page could not be found" and gave me a
ton of possible search options.
Really though, it doesn't matter what file format the document is when
it comes to displaying. If I want to work in the file with Jarte, I have to
save in rtf or .doc anyways. I just save a new copy in wordpad to the rtf
format and then it reads it fine. I do miss announced page numbers and NVDA
being nice about italics though. What I mean is, in Word Pad, if a word is
italicised in the middle of a line, NVDA doesn't report it, and if it's at
the beginning of a line, NVDA acts like the whole line is italicised even
though it isn't. Same with bold, underline, and so on. Is there an addon
that corrects this behaviour? Or will there be an improvement in NVDA in
that regard? I know I'd be grateful for it. Then Jarte would be just
that bit less irritating.
On 16/01/2017 8:48 AM, Gene wrote:
You can download the installation file to allow you to work with docx
files here:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25812011/FileFormatConve
rters.exe?dl=1
Gene
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*From:* Noah Carver via Groups.Io <carvernoah309=yahoo.com@groups.io>
*Sent:* Sunday, January 15, 2017 3:08 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA
if you could please send the link to your dropbox, that would be very
much appreciated. I also am considering using chart, but don't really want
to pay the money for it partially because I don't have the money for it.
Noah Carver
On Jan 15, 2017, at 15:16, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
I would like to caution users that use an microsoft product, ie office 2013 and up certainly it does this on 2016.
Aparently the older software has some incompatibility when upgrading the os from one version to another.
It tends to default extentions back to open xml viewer which itself is not helpfull.
Worse excell refuses to be able to process file commands and can not start until you repair office.
For the systems that had filter pack aand the compatibility pack installed, I solved this by removing both these packs then repairing office
as on restart no files opened at all.
Ever since then updates have worked as expected.
If you are on a shared system with office.
Every time you update the os especially when its a security update not a performance update, including newer and older office updates, you will
need to repair office with the quick repair before using it again.
I am not sure why that is but thats a way to get round it.
If you often need a share then thats fine but if you don't it is easier to kill the extra converter packs.
I should also want to add that I have old word xp converters for some older files that came from an xp machine that perminantly exist on my
dropbox cloud, they are so small just like xp sound recorder its unlikely I
will ever kill them so they stay till I die I guess.
I have no inttention of killing them.
The only thing you do need is sevenzip to decompress them but if someone wants to make an installer email me and I'll send the link for
copywrite reasons jarte can't store those on its site but.
On 16/01/2017 12:20 a.m., Gene wrote:
It doesn't need the purchased version. You can install the
Microsoft pack that gives Microsoft Word and some other programs the
ability to read docx files. if you try to open a Docx file, a dialog comes
up telling you that. It may provide a link in the dialog to the JARTE web
page where the subject is discussed further.
We don't know how Word is being useed so we don't know if JARTE has
all the features desired but you can read about it and install and look at
the program to see if it does.
Gene
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Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 4:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA
The thing about Jarte is that to open docx files it needs the
purchased
version as far as I know. OOpen and Libra Office seem to be able to
load in
docx files, but as has been discussed here of late, the authors need
to do
some more work to allow screenreaders to work on all parts of them
like read
all etc.
Of course it might be possible to find an old copy of an older
version of
Office pro corporate which I did and it still worked aand accepted
the key.
Legal? Well, its a grey area isn't it. if the original buyer is
giving it
away, then who cares.
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From: "Sharni-Lee Ward" <sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 5:18 AM
Subject: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA
Hi,
My computer's keyboard's been acting up, and I have my Mum's as a
backup, but it doesn't have Microsoft Office on it, and I was
wondering
if there was a decent free word processor out there, accessible with
NVDA, that I could install on that computer instead. It would be
nice if
it could read and edit .docx files, but I'm aware I can't have
everything.
The most used features in Word for me are:
The Spellchecker, including a whole dictionary of words I've added so
Pokémon names, anime characters' names and names I just made up don't
get flagged;
The word-counter;
Page-breaks;
Headings (mostly for aesthetic reasons).
If there's something out there that does all these things, and is
free
and accessible, I'll be pretty happy with it.
--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
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Braille n' Speak Synthesizer
Is it possible to use this with NVDA? I used the ad-on but it gave me a hardware error. (I'm not planning on using it regularly, but it's sort of neat for nostalgia's sake.)
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Re: eloquence synth error
I think that was it. I got it working. I had to reactivate it.
Thanks so much for your reply.
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-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacques Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 7:33 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] eloquence synth error The Code Factory Eloquence license manager is such that it phones home, so to speak, which means that an internet connection is required to validate your license. Could it be that you had no connection at the point the error was generated? Jacques On 17 Jan 2017 17:30, Juan Hernandez wrote: Hi All,
I bought the codefactory synth for eloquence.
It was working great for the last few months, but this morning I
started up nvda for the first time in a few weeks, and eloquence doesn't work.
Below is my NVDA log output. Anyone have any ideas?
Thanks.
Log Start:
INFO - __main__ (07:25:56):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (07:25:56):
Config dir: C:\Users\juan\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (07:25:56):
Loading config: C:\Users\juan\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (07:25:56):
NVDA version next-13810,35a74429
INFO - core.main (07:25:56):
Using Windows version 10.0.14931 workstation
INFO - core.main (07:25:56):
Using Python version 2.7.13 (v2.7.13:a06454b1afa1, Dec 17 2016,
20:42:59) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (07:25:56):
Using comtypes version 0.6.2
ERROR - external:synthDrivers._cfnvdainterface._initalize (07:25:57):
TTS loading
Traceback (most recent call last):
File
"C:\Users\juan\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\codefactory\synthDrivers\_c
fnvdainterface.py",
line 324, in _initalize
File "wx\_core.pyc", line 16761, in CallAfter
AssertionError: No wx.App created yet
ERROR - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (07:25:57):
setSynth
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "synthDriverHandler.pyc", line 86, in setSynth
File
"C:\Users\juan\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\codefactory\synthDrivers\_c
odefactorytts.py",
line 42, in __init__
File
"C:\Users\juan\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\codefactory\synthDrivers\_c
fnvdainterface.py",
line 268, in initialize
File
"C:\Users\juan\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\codefactory\synthDrivers\_c
fnvdainterface.py",
line 358, in _initalize
CodeFactoryException:
C:\Users\juan\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\codefactory\File\EloquenceNV
DA.DLL
is not valid
INFO - synthDrivers.espeak.SynthDriver.__init__ (07:25:57):
Using eSpeak NG version 1.49.1 dev
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (07:25:57):
Loaded synthDriver espeak
INFO - core.main (07:25:57):
Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (07:25:57):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (07:25:57):
Using liblouis version 3.0.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (07:25:57):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (07:25:57):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation3
INFO - core.main (07:25:57):
NVDA initialized
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The Code Factory Eloquence license manager is such that it phones home, so to speak, which means that an internet connection is required to validate your license. Could it be that you had no connection at the point the error was generated?
Jacques
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On 17 Jan 2017 17:30, Juan Hernandez wrote: Hi All,
I bought the codefactory synth for eloquence.
It was working great for the last few months, but this morning I started
up nvda for the first time in a few weeks, and eloquence doesn’t work.
Below is my NVDA log output. Anyone have any ideas?
Thanks.
Log Start:
INFO - __main__ (07:25:56):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (07:25:56):
Config dir: C:\Users\juan\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (07:25:56):
Loading config: C:\Users\juan\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (07:25:56):
NVDA version next-13810,35a74429
INFO - core.main (07:25:56):
Using Windows version 10.0.14931 workstation
INFO - core.main (07:25:56):
Using Python version 2.7.13 (v2.7.13:a06454b1afa1, Dec 17 2016,
20:42:59) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (07:25:56):
Using comtypes version 0.6.2
ERROR - external:synthDrivers._cfnvdainterface._initalize (07:25:57):
TTS loading
Traceback (most recent call last):
File
"C:\Users\juan\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\codefactory\synthDrivers\_cfnvdainterface.py",
line 324, in _initalize
File "wx\_core.pyc", line 16761, in CallAfter
AssertionError: No wx.App created yet
ERROR - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (07:25:57):
setSynth
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "synthDriverHandler.pyc", line 86, in setSynth
File
"C:\Users\juan\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\codefactory\synthDrivers\_codefactorytts.py",
line 42, in __init__
File
"C:\Users\juan\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\codefactory\synthDrivers\_cfnvdainterface.py",
line 268, in initialize
File
"C:\Users\juan\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\codefactory\synthDrivers\_cfnvdainterface.py",
line 358, in _initalize
CodeFactoryException:
C:\Users\juan\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\codefactory\File\EloquenceNVDA.DLL
is not valid
INFO - synthDrivers.espeak.SynthDriver.__init__ (07:25:57):
Using eSpeak NG version 1.49.1 dev
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (07:25:57):
Loaded synthDriver espeak
INFO - core.main (07:25:57):
Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (07:25:57):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (07:25:57):
Using liblouis version 3.0.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (07:25:57):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (07:25:57):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation3
INFO - core.main (07:25:57):
NVDA initialized
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Hi All, I bought the codefactory synth for eloquence. It was working great for the last few months, but this morning I started up nvda for the first time in a few weeks, and eloquence doesn’t work. Below is my NVDA log output. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks. Log Start: INFO - __main__ (07:25:56): Starting NVDA INFO - core.main (07:25:56): Config dir: C:\Users\juan\AppData\Roaming\nvda INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (07:25:56): Loading config: C:\Users\juan\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini INFO - core.main (07:25:56): NVDA version next-13810,35a74429 INFO - core.main (07:25:56): Using Windows version 10.0.14931 workstation INFO - core.main (07:25:56): Using Python version 2.7.13 (v2.7.13:a06454b1afa1, Dec 17 2016, 20:42:59) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)] INFO - core.main (07:25:56): Using comtypes version 0.6.2 ERROR - external:synthDrivers._cfnvdainterface._initalize (07:25:57): TTS loading Traceback (most recent call last): File "C:\Users\juan\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\codefactory\synthDrivers\_cfnvdainterface.py", line 324, in _initalize File "wx\_core.pyc", line 16761, in CallAfter AssertionError: No wx.App created yet ERROR - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (07:25:57): setSynth Traceback (most recent call last): File "synthDriverHandler.pyc", line 86, in setSynth File "C:\Users\juan\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\codefactory\synthDrivers\_codefactorytts.py", line 42, in __init__ File "C:\Users\juan\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\codefactory\synthDrivers\_cfnvdainterface.py", line 268, in initialize File "C:\Users\juan\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\codefactory\synthDrivers\_cfnvdainterface.py", line 358, in _initalize CodeFactoryException: C:\Users\juan\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\codefactory\File\EloquenceNVDA.DLL is not valid INFO - synthDrivers.espeak.SynthDriver.__init__ (07:25:57): Using eSpeak NG version 1.49.1 dev INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (07:25:57): Loaded synthDriver espeak INFO - core.main (07:25:57): Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic) INFO - brailleInput.initialize (07:25:57): Braille input initialized INFO - braille.initialize (07:25:57): Using liblouis version 3.0.0 INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (07:25:57): Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells. INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (07:25:57): UIAutomation: IUIAutomation3 INFO - core.main (07:25:57): NVDA initialized Juan Hernandez Juanhernandez98@... 619-750-9431 (M) | 858-777-3311 (F) My WebSite | Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn
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disregard last message I got the links to work
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On 1/17/2017 7:52 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: Hello again, Here are corrected links... I hope.
Here is a link to computestick first generation with windows 10:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014N4CZE2/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&;camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B014N4CZE2&linkCode=as2&tag=inclusivean03-20&linkId=b216c581e63a0da38d2277aaa219e995
Here is a link to the current generation with windows 10:
http://amzn.to/2iD7TbV
These are both in your price range. Asside from them getting warm and not
having a n anolog audio jack, I'm pretty happy with the first generation. I
hacked it to ubuntoo using images and instructions I found online. There's
an hdmi, one usb, and one SD on the first generation model. I haven't
looked closely at the second generation, but for the pricepoint, I would
definitely give it a glance.
I hope this helps,
Erik
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On January 13, 2017 1:46:09 PM "coffeekingms@hotmail.com"
<coffeekingms@hotmail.com> wrote:
hi all
My birthday is coming up next month and I'm stuck between an iPod
nano, or a compute stick. I'm not sure what they're actually supposed
to be called,but what I'm talking about is a miniature computer that
terminates in an HDMI port which connects to an HDTV or projector,
with enough storage, bluetooth, wi fi, and a micro sd card slot to use
as an every day laptop. I've looked around a little, but they're quite
expensive, about the cheapest I've run across that sounds like it
might be powerful enough to run both windows 10 and sonar linux well
is the acer chromebot, which is around 90 dollars. The thing about
chrome OS devices is that I don't know a thing about them. They're
linux underneath the google, but I don't know if they're as easy to
duel boot as a regular x86 or x64 pc is. Does anyone know of a good
device that would do this for at least a reasonable price? I'd say
around my absolute top would be $150, and for that it had better be
top of the line or mellisa will ... well she won't be happy. I don't
have many requirements, but I'd like it to be able to run windows 10
at least reasonably well, including some casual gaming like killer
instinct, the windows 10 version, and emulated systems like the
gamecube, wii and n64, and that it have a micro sd card slot, wi fi
and bluetooth. Three or four USB ports would be nice, but not
essential at all, I can just get a USB hub if I have to for extra
ports. A package deal where one comes with the device, a hub and maybe
a bluetooth keyboard would be nice, but I don't want to complicate
things, so not at all necessary, just convenient. I have a keyboard
already. It's a logitech, and it uses one of those wireless receivers. I'll shut up now lol.
Thanks
Kendell Clark
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Hello
I still can't get the second link to work
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On 1/17/2017 7:36 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: Hi, I take it you got the links to work then? Some one reported a failure, but before I had time to look into it, the message got deleted by my over enthusiastic cleanup procedure.
I don't know of a list specifically for computestick. I'm not certain what the point would be as they are only intel's proprietary version of a standard windows PC and there are entire and decently accessible websites dedicated to information abut hacking them. The only real pitfall I've come across yet is the lack of an anolog audio out, but since the thing is intended for use in home theatres and most monitors have some audio support nowadays, few people aut to be effected by the lack of a 3.5 mm jack for hooking up speakers.
It's kind'a O/t but I'll be happy to answer any questions you have as I can. My parents have the first generation. For the price difference, I would only consider the 2nd gen at this point. It wasn't an option when my parents were in the market.
Best,
Erik
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On January 17, 2017 1:25:28 AM "slery" <slerythema@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for these links. Is there a list some where for discussing these
(specifically with accessibility in mind)? I might entertain one of these
for my next build (found one that is actually bigger than a stick but still
way smaller than the tower on my computer that I built from scratch).
Cindy
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of erik
burggraaf
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 4:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] looking for a good compute stick
Hi, compute stick is intel's model of tiny personal computer.
Here is a link to computestick first generation with windows 10:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014N4CZE2/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&;camp=1789&
creative=9325&creativeASIN=B014N4CZE2&linkCode=as2&tag=inclusivean03-20&link
Id=b216c581e63a0da38d2277aaa219e995
Here is a link to the current generation with windows 10:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=as_li_qf_sp_sr_il_tl?ie=UTF8&;tag=inclus
ivean03-20&keywords=intel
computestick&index=aps&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=xm2&linkId=a7ceb8363
e1963a1f8e899b438362d3c
These are both in your price range. Asside from them getting warm and not
having an anolog audio jack, I'm pretty happy with the first generation. I
hacked it to ubuntoo using images and instructions I found online. There's
an hdmi, one usb, and one SD on the first generation model. I haven't
looked closely at the second generation, but for the pricepoint, I would
definitely give it a glance.
I hope this helps,
Erik
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On January 13, 2017 1:46:09 PM "coffeekingms@hotmail.com"
<coffeekingms@hotmail.com> wrote:
hi all
My birthday is coming up next month and I'm stuck between an iPod
nano, or a compute stick. I'm not sure what they're actually supposed
to be called,but what I'm talking about is a miniature computer that
terminates in an HDMI port which connects to an HDTV or projector,
with enough storage, bluetooth, wi fi, and a micro sd card slot to use
as an every day laptop. I've looked around a little, but they're quite
expensive, about the cheapest I've run across that sounds like it
might be powerful enough to run both windows 10 and sonar linux well
is the acer chromebot, which is around 90 dollars. The thing about
chrome OS devices is that I don't know a thing about them. They're
linux underneath the google, but I don't know if they're as easy to
duel boot as a regular x86 or x64 pc is. Does anyone know of a good
device that would do this for at least a reasonable price? I'd say
around my absolute top would be $150, and for that it had better be
top of the line or mellisa will ... well she won't be happy. I don't
have many requirements, but I'd like it to be able to run windows 10
at least reasonably well, including some casual gaming like killer
instinct, the windows 10 version, and emulated systems like the
gamecube, wii and n64, and that it have a micro sd card slot, wi fi
and bluetooth. Three or four USB ports would be nice, but not
essential at all, I can just get a USB hub if I have to for extra
ports. A package deal where one comes with the device, a hub and maybe
a bluetooth keyboard would be nice, but I don't want to complicate
things, so not at all necessary, just convenient. I have a keyboard
already. It's a logitech, and it uses one of those wireless receivers. I'll shut up now lol.
Thanks
Kendell Clark
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erik burggraaf <erik@...>
Hello again, Here are corrected links... I hope.
Here is a link to computestick first generation with windows 10:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014N4CZE2/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&;camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B014N4CZE2&linkCode=as2&tag=inclusivean03-20&linkId=b216c581e63a0da38d2277aaa219e995 Here is a link to the current generation with windows 10: http://amzn.to/2iD7TbVThese are both in your price range. Asside from them getting warm and not having a n anolog audio jack, I'm pretty happy with the first generation. I hacked it to ubuntoo using images and instructions I found online. There's
an hdmi, one usb, and one SD on the first generation model. I haven't
looked closely at the second generation, but for the pricepoint, I would
definitely give it a glance.
I hope this helps,
Erik
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On January 13, 2017 1:46:09 PM "coffeekingms@hotmail.com"
<coffeekingms@hotmail.com> wrote:
hi all
My birthday is coming up next month and I'm stuck between an iPod
nano, or a compute stick. I'm not sure what they're actually supposed
to be called,but what I'm talking about is a miniature computer that
terminates in an HDMI port which connects to an HDTV or projector,
with enough storage, bluetooth, wi fi, and a micro sd card slot to use
as an every day laptop. I've looked around a little, but they're quite
expensive, about the cheapest I've run across that sounds like it
might be powerful enough to run both windows 10 and sonar linux well
is the acer chromebot, which is around 90 dollars. The thing about
chrome OS devices is that I don't know a thing about them. They're
linux underneath the google, but I don't know if they're as easy to
duel boot as a regular x86 or x64 pc is. Does anyone know of a good
device that would do this for at least a reasonable price? I'd say
around my absolute top would be $150, and for that it had better be
top of the line or mellisa will ... well she won't be happy. I don't
have many requirements, but I'd like it to be able to run windows 10
at least reasonably well, including some casual gaming like killer
instinct, the windows 10 version, and emulated systems like the
gamecube, wii and n64, and that it have a micro sd card slot, wi fi
and bluetooth. Three or four USB ports would be nice, but not
essential at all, I can just get a USB hub if I have to for extra
ports. A package deal where one comes with the device, a hub and maybe
a bluetooth keyboard would be nice, but I don't want to complicate
things, so not at all necessary, just convenient. I have a keyboard
already. It's a logitech, and it uses one of those wireless receivers. I'll shut up now lol.
Thanks
Kendell Clark
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erik burggraaf <erik@...>
Hi, I take it you got the links to work then? Some one reported a failure, but before I had time to look into it, the message got deleted by my over enthusiastic cleanup procedure. I don't know of a list specifically for computestick. I'm not certain what the point would be as they are only intel's proprietary version of a standard windows PC and there are entire and decently accessible websites dedicated to information abut hacking them. The only real pitfall I've come across yet is the lack of an anolog audio out, but since the thing is intended for use in home theatres and most monitors have some audio support nowadays, few people aut to be effected by the lack of a 3.5 mm jack for hooking up speakers. It's kind'a O/t but I'll be happy to answer any questions you have as I can. My parents have the first generation. For the price difference, I would only consider the 2nd gen at this point. It wasn't an option when my parents were in the market. Best, Erik Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com
On January 17, 2017 1:25:28 AM "slery" <slerythema@gmail.com> wrote: Thanks for these links. Is there a list some where for discussing these
(specifically with accessibility in mind)? I might entertain one of these
for my next build (found one that is actually bigger than a stick but still
way smaller than the tower on my computer that I built from scratch).
Cindy
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of erik
burggraaf
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 4:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] looking for a good compute stick
Hi, compute stick is intel's model of tiny personal computer.
Here is a link to computestick first generation with windows 10:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014N4CZE2/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&;camp=1789&
creative=9325&creativeASIN=B014N4CZE2&linkCode=as2&tag=inclusivean03-20&link
Id=b216c581e63a0da38d2277aaa219e995
Here is a link to the current generation with windows 10:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=as_li_qf_sp_sr_il_tl?ie=UTF8&;tag=inclus
ivean03-20&keywords=intel
computestick&index=aps&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=xm2&linkId=a7ceb8363
e1963a1f8e899b438362d3c
These are both in your price range. Asside from them getting warm and not
having an anolog audio jack, I'm pretty happy with the first generation. I
hacked it to ubuntoo using images and instructions I found online. There's
an hdmi, one usb, and one SD on the first generation model. I haven't
looked closely at the second generation, but for the pricepoint, I would
definitely give it a glance.
I hope this helps,
Erik
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http://www.aqua-mail.com
On January 13, 2017 1:46:09 PM "coffeekingms@hotmail.com"
<coffeekingms@hotmail.com> wrote:
hi all
My birthday is coming up next month and I'm stuck between an iPod
nano, or a compute stick. I'm not sure what they're actually supposed
to be called,but what I'm talking about is a miniature computer that
terminates in an HDMI port which connects to an HDTV or projector,
with enough storage, bluetooth, wi fi, and a micro sd card slot to use
as an every day laptop. I've looked around a little, but they're quite
expensive, about the cheapest I've run across that sounds like it
might be powerful enough to run both windows 10 and sonar linux well
is the acer chromebot, which is around 90 dollars. The thing about
chrome OS devices is that I don't know a thing about them. They're
linux underneath the google, but I don't know if they're as easy to
duel boot as a regular x86 or x64 pc is. Does anyone know of a good
device that would do this for at least a reasonable price? I'd say
around my absolute top would be $150, and for that it had better be
top of the line or mellisa will ... well she won't be happy. I don't
have many requirements, but I'd like it to be able to run windows 10
at least reasonably well, including some casual gaming like killer
instinct, the windows 10 version, and emulated systems like the
gamecube, wii and n64, and that it have a micro sd card slot, wi fi
and bluetooth. Three or four USB ports would be nice, but not
essential at all, I can just get a USB hub if I have to for extra
ports. A package deal where one comes with the device, a hub and maybe
a bluetooth keyboard would be nice, but I don't want to complicate
things, so not at all necessary, just convenient. I have a keyboard
already. It's a logitech, and it uses one of those wireless receivers. I'll shut up now lol.
Thanks
Kendell Clark
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Re: removing a forgotten password
It is in windows itself.
Thanks
Blessings
Pascal
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-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 5:38 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] removing a forgotten password Is the password in question in the laptop bios or is it in windows itself. if its the former there is little you can do bar buy another mutherboard or another laptop. If its in windows, if you have a password reset disk then you can probably reset the password. if not, you could use your windows installation disk and reformat and reinstall windows. If you can get a win7 pe or 10 talking pe, I think its on opopanax.net but I forget I think http://dl.opopanax.net/files should be it, then you should be able to get that backup your user files then reinstall windows. On that note, I do wander if you make a password reset disk on another computer you can then use it on a windows computer you have lost the password. On 17/01/2017 6:48 a.m., Pascal Lambert wrote: Please, need your urgent help. I need to remove a forgotten password on a laptop I need to access.
It is an HP laptop using Win10.
Many thanks.
Blessings.
Pascal
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 9:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor
Also, these sorts of attributes can be found by opening the menus, opening tools, then opening fonts from the tools submenu.
Select a fond in the list.
Then tab once. You will be in a list of attributes for the font, italics being one. I didn't tab further to see what else is in the dialog.
Gene
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From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 7:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor
You can set fonts. It is more or less the case that if the old Wordpad can do something, HJPad can do it. If you type a sentence and use control I to toggle between italics on and off, the text will be italicized where indicated. I see no reason to believe other such commands are absent. I haven't seen this stated anywhere, but just comparing the old Wordpad to HJPad, even the name, indicates that it was built on the old WordPad. It was intended for use with JAWS basic training material. It may be that the basic training material has changed to the point where HJPad isn't as useful with it as before.
Those who are curious will find, in the HJPad menus under tools, a submenu named sample dialogs. It is interesting to play around with the sample dialogs. Some of them would still make good teaching tools and references.
Gene
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From: David Griffith <mailto:daj.griffith@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 7:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor
HJPad does appear to have been removed as an explicitly supported
Utility in Jaws but I actually found it buried away in a strange
location even with Jaws 18.
Quite why it would be hidden in this location I do not know.
It does have a spell checker but little else really. As far as I can
tell you can edit the font but cannot set any font attributes like
bold, italic, or underline.
I always saw it as really a possible notepad replacement rather than a
word processor.
Despite being buried away it does still work.
Anyway I found it on my system under the follwoing very odd path
C:\Windows\Installer\$PatchCache$\Managed\38E784264F70E08468F74BA4CC2F
4C2E\18.0.1835\HJPAD.EXE
David Griffith
David Griffith
On 16/01/2017 10:10, Robert Kingett wrote:
I have not seen any H J Pad, but OpenOffice is the most accessible
word processor besides Microsoft word. There is Jarte, of course, but
I do not count that because you have to pay to get all of the features.
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Thanks for these links. Is there a list some where for discussing these
(specifically with accessibility in mind)? I might entertain one of these
for my next build (found one that is actually bigger than a stick but still
way smaller than the tower on my computer that I built from scratch).
Cindy
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-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of erik burggraaf Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 4:20 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] looking for a good compute stick Hi, compute stick is intel's model of tiny personal computer. Here is a link to computestick first generation with windows 10: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014N4CZE2/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&;camp=1789& creative=9325&creativeASIN=B014N4CZE2&linkCode=as2&tag=inclusivean03-20&link Id=b216c581e63a0da38d2277aaa219e995 Here is a link to the current generation with windows 10: https://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=as_li_qf_sp_sr_il_tl?ie=UTF8&;tag=inclus ivean03-20&keywords=intel computestick&index=aps&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=xm2&linkId=a7ceb8363 e1963a1f8e899b438362d3c These are both in your price range. Asside from them getting warm and not having an anolog audio jack, I'm pretty happy with the first generation. I hacked it to ubuntoo using images and instructions I found online. There's an hdmi, one usb, and one SD on the first generation model. I haven't looked closely at the second generation, but for the pricepoint, I would definitely give it a glance. I hope this helps, Erik Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.comOn January 13, 2017 1:46:09 PM "coffeekingms@hotmail.com" <coffeekingms@hotmail.com> wrote: hi all
My birthday is coming up next month and I'm stuck between an iPod
nano, or a compute stick. I'm not sure what they're actually supposed
to be called,but what I'm talking about is a miniature computer that
terminates in an HDMI port which connects to an HDTV or projector,
with enough storage, bluetooth, wi fi, and a micro sd card slot to use
as an every day laptop. I've looked around a little, but they're quite
expensive, about the cheapest I've run across that sounds like it
might be powerful enough to run both windows 10 and sonar linux well
is the acer chromebot, which is around 90 dollars. The thing about
chrome OS devices is that I don't know a thing about them. They're
linux underneath the google, but I don't know if they're as easy to
duel boot as a regular x86 or x64 pc is. Does anyone know of a good
device that would do this for at least a reasonable price? I'd say
around my absolute top would be $150, and for that it had better be
top of the line or mellisa will ... well she won't be happy. I don't
have many requirements, but I'd like it to be able to run windows 10
at least reasonably well, including some casual gaming like killer
instinct, the windows 10 version, and emulated systems like the
gamecube, wii and n64, and that it have a micro sd card slot, wi fi
and bluetooth. Three or four USB ports would be nice, but not
essential at all, I can just get a USB hub if I have to for extra
ports. A package deal where one comes with the device, a hub and maybe
a bluetooth keyboard would be nice, but I don't want to complicate
things, so not at all necessary, just convenient. I have a keyboard
already. It's a logitech, and it uses one of those wireless receivers. I'll shut up now lol.
Thanks
Kendell Clark
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I did eventually get it to say there is estimated ink levels, but I am sure that is a picture. And at one point I did find scan a document but I couldn’t get back to that part so there is something there. I am going to assume that it needs to use the mouse functions to get around (which I am still pretty clueless with). Cindy
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of slery
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 11:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR software? FYI, NVDA reads the title and says blank for everything else (assuming there is anything else). How do you get NVDA to work in the HP printing software? Cindy From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 11:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR software? On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 10:57 pm, slery wrote: Really? Please tell me where the OCR function is and how to access it in my HP Officejet 7500 E910.
See the User Guide for your machine, PDF page 48, that documents doing this using the HP Software that comes with the printer under the section entitled, Scanning documents as editable text. I cannot speak to why it would not be accessible, as I've never used this particular model, but I have used HP multi-function machines with the full-featured software suite and driver (the one for your machine is downloadable here) with screen readers without difficulty. There have been times, not limited in any way to HP software, where a given piece of software would not "play well" with a given screen reader and another screen reader would work perfectly with it. It's always worth checking.
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Windows 10 App Essentials January 17th snapshot posted
Dear users of Windows 10 App Essentials add-on, A few weeks ago, some of you asked me (via email and Twitter) if a feature could be developed where Windows 10 App Essentials can check for updated versions of itself. I’m delighted to announce that this is available via a snapshot build: http://addons.nvda-project.org/files/get.php?file=w10-dev After installing today’s build, you’ll find a new option called “Windows 10 App Essentials” under NVDA’s preferences menu. This dialog allows you to tell NVDA to check for updated versions of this add-on and from where (development or stable channel). If the tests show it is working as advertised, it’ll be included in add-on 17.02. Important notes: - After installing this build, please don’t attempt to change to stable channel, as current stable version does not support add-on update feature.
- If you tell NVDA to automatically check for add-on updates, you’ll find that NVDA will present the add-on update dialog each time it starts if a new version of the add-on is available. If there’s sufficient demand, I’ll let you configure update check interval.
- When you check for updates from the new Windows 10 App Essentials dialog, the dialog will close, current settings will be saved, and add-on update dialog will pop up.
Enjoy. Cheers, Joseph
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FYI, NVDA reads the title and says blank for everything else (assuming there is anything else). How do you get NVDA to work in the HP printing software? Cindy
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 11:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR software? On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 10:57 pm, slery wrote: Really? Please tell me where the OCR function is and how to access it in my HP Officejet 7500 E910.
See the User Guide for your machine, PDF page 48, that documents doing this using the HP Software that comes with the printer under the section entitled, Scanning documents as editable text. I cannot speak to why it would not be accessible, as I've never used this particular model, but I have used HP multi-function machines with the full-featured software suite and driver (the one for your machine is downloadable here) with screen readers without difficulty. There have been times, not limited in any way to HP software, where a given piece of software would not "play well" with a given screen reader and another screen reader would work perfectly with it. It's always worth checking.
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Re: Solved: Reading formatting with Jarte
Duly noted. If anything comes up, I'll remember this advice.
Thanks again for your input. It's been a great help.
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On 17/01/2017 11:12 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
I must admit I haven't encountered any lag, although I am sure there are others running much lower spec hardware.
The other thing I was going to say on that while I think of it, is that if you do find it lags in other programs, it's possible to setup a configuration profile just for Jarte which has the option on where you leave it off in other programs (or setup a
profile for another program to have it off if it's just an issue in one other program).
Kind regards
Quentin.
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Re: Solved: Reading formatting with Jarte
I must admit I haven't encountered any lag, although I am sure there are others running much lower spec hardware.
The other thing I was going to say on that while I think of it, is that if you do find it lags in other programs, it's possible to setup a configuration profile just for Jarte which has the option on where you leave it off in other programs (or setup a profile for another program to have it off if it's just an issue in one other program).
Kind regards
Quentin.
On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Sharni-Lee Ward <sharni-lee.ward@...> wrote:
Thank you! I never used that option before because of the lag warning, but I guess that lag is negligible or just doesn't happen all the time. I'd forgotten it existed.
Well, looks like Jarte will be my alternate word processor of choice! It does everything I want it to do, and I honestly sometimes find background spellchecking distracting and like the one in the menus, so I'll stick with that. Might take me a while to
add all the words I want in the dictionary. There are a lot of Pokémon nowadays.
On 17/01/2017 9:17 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Sharni-Lee and everyone,
I thought I would write this as a new thread, just for anyone who didn't follow all the way through the Accessible Word Processors thread and the issue raised of reading formatting such as Italics.
The issue was the things like Italics were read at the start of a line, but not when they appeared in the middle of a line.
The solution is to open the NVDA document formatting dialog and ensure "Report formatting changes after the cursor (Can cause a lag)" is enabled. What this does is detect all formatting on the line, not just at the exact place the cursor is. When using
say all (NVDA+a or NVDA+down arrow), the cursor moves down to the start of each line as it gets to it, which is why it was detecting formatting at the start of the line but not in the middle.
To turn this option on:
1. Press NVDA+CONTROL+D (or NVDA+N to open NVDA's menu, then choose preferences, then Document formatting).
2. TAB or SHIFT+TAB to the "Report formatting changes after the cursor (can cause a lag) option.
3. Press SPACEBAR to toggle this option. Ensure it is checked.
Note that the option is the last thing in the dialog now before the ok and cancel buttons, so SHIFT+TAB is easier to get to it (just noticed there doesn't seem to be a hot key, I'll open an issue for that).
Note that in order to report things like italic and bold, you will also need to have "font attributes" checked, which is the third option in the dialog.
I tested this with a portable version of Jarte in Windows 7 as well as Windows 10 just to ensure it works in both.
Kind regards
Quentin.
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Re: Solved: Reading formatting with Jarte
Thank you! I never used that option before because of the lag warning, but I guess that lag is negligible or just doesn't happen all the time. I'd forgotten it existed.
Well, looks like Jarte will be my alternate word processor of choice! It does everything I want it to do, and I honestly sometimes find background spellchecking distracting and like the one in the menus, so I'll stick with that. Might take me a while to
add all the words I want in the dictionary. There are a lot of Pokémon nowadays.
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On 17/01/2017 9:17 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Sharni-Lee and everyone,
I thought I would write this as a new thread, just for anyone who didn't follow all the way through the Accessible Word Processors thread and the issue raised of reading formatting such as Italics.
The issue was the things like Italics were read at the start of a line, but not when they appeared in the middle of a line.
The solution is to open the NVDA document formatting dialog and ensure "Report formatting changes after the cursor (Can cause a lag)" is enabled. What this does is detect all formatting on the line, not just at the exact place the cursor is. When using
say all (NVDA+a or NVDA+down arrow), the cursor moves down to the start of each line as it gets to it, which is why it was detecting formatting at the start of the line but not in the middle.
To turn this option on:
1. Press NVDA+CONTROL+D (or NVDA+N to open NVDA's menu, then choose preferences, then Document formatting).
2. TAB or SHIFT+TAB to the "Report formatting changes after the cursor (can cause a lag) option.
3. Press SPACEBAR to toggle this option. Ensure it is checked.
Note that the option is the last thing in the dialog now before the ok and cancel buttons, so SHIFT+TAB is easier to get to it (just noticed there doesn't seem to be a hot key, I'll open an issue for that).
Note that in order to report things like italic and bold, you will also need to have "font attributes" checked, which is the third option in the dialog.
I tested this with a portable version of Jarte in Windows 7 as well as Windows 10 just to ensure it works in both.
Kind regards
Quentin.
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Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
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Re: accessible word processors with NVDA
Or names that have even more spelling
variants:
Catherine, Katherine, Cathrynne, Kathrynne,
Katharine, Catharine, Catharynne, Katharynne, etc. I think I've seen more for
that one than any other. I agree with Gene that figuring out how common words,
and especially proper nouns, such as names, are spelled when replying or
addressing someone in a professional environment. Someone writing captcha as
capture annoys me to no end.
Travis
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Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA
It may seem reasonable but it should strenuously be
avoided. Such mistakes lower the credibility of the person writing.
If someone writes to a web site developer about captures when they mean
captchas, it will not be as credible to the web site developer when the person
doesn't get the name right about what is being complained about. In other
words, it doesn't matter how something sounds. No matter how an unfamiliar
word sounds, the spelling should not be assumed.
and it may be embarrassing. Suppose you are
writing to someone on a business matter and you spell the first name Steven with
a v when it's Stephen, with a ph instead of a v. That doesn't leave a good
impression.
Gene
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Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with
NVDA
I used to do this with CAPTCHA, though to be fair, you do have to
capture something to solve it—hidden words or numbers in an image or sound, the
true image if you have to drag/drop parts of a picture, etc. It's a perfectly
reasonable mistake to make. Good thing Espeak NG says it more clearly now, isn't
it? :)
On 16/01/2017 10:33 AM, Gene wrote:
The program is free and it is not Jot. It
is JARTE j a r t e. If blind people don't check the spelling of
unfamiliar words they intend to use, they make these kinds of mistakes.
CAPTCHA is another glaring example, It is chronically written
"capture."
Gene
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Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with
NVDA
Hi, is there a free trial for Jot? If so how long is it free
before you have to pay? Or, do you have to buy it in order to use
it?
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Sent: January-15-17 2:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda]
accessible word processors with NVDA
The thing about Jarte is that to
open docx files it needs the purchased version as far as I know. OOpen and
Libra Office seem to be able to load in docx files, but as has been discussed
here of late, the authors need to do some more work to allow screenreaders to
work on all parts of them like read all etc.
Of course it might
be possible to find an old copy of an older version of Office pro corporate
which I did and it still worked aand accepted the key.
Legal? Well,
its a grey area isn't it. if the original buyer is giving it away, then who
cares.
Brian
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----- Original Message -----
From:
"Sharni-Lee Ward" <sharni-lee.ward@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, January
15, 2017 5:18 AM
Subject: [nvda] accessible word processors with
NVDA
> Hi,
>
>
> My computer's keyboard's been
acting up, and I have my Mum's as a
> backup, but it doesn't have
Microsoft Office on it, and I was wondering
> if there was a decent free
word processor out there, accessible with
> NVDA, that I could install
on that computer instead. It would be nice if
> it could read and edit
.docx files, but I'm aware I can't have everything.
>
>
>
The most used features in Word for me are:
>
> The Spellchecker,
including a whole dictionary of words I've added so
> Pokémon names,
anime characters' names and names I just made up don't
> get
flagged;
>
> The word-counter;
>
>
Page-breaks;
>
> Headings (mostly for aesthetic
reasons).
>
> If there's something out there that does all these
things, and is free
> and accessible, I'll be pretty happy with
it.
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