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Windows 10 App Essentials January 17th snapshot posted
Dear users of Windows 10 App Essentials add-on, A few weeks ago, some of you asked me (via email and Twitter) if a feature could be developed where Windows 10 App Essentials can check for updated versions of itself. I’m delighted to announce that this is available via a snapshot build: http://addons.nvda-project.org/files/get.php?file=w10-dev After installing today’s build, you’ll find a new option called “Windows 10 App Essentials” under NVDA’s preferences menu. This dialog allows you to tell NVDA to check for updated versions of this add-on and from where (development or stable channel). If the tests show it is working as advertised, it’ll be included in add-on 17.02. Important notes: - After installing this build, please don’t attempt to change to stable channel, as current stable version does not support add-on update feature.
- If you tell NVDA to automatically check for add-on updates, you’ll find that NVDA will present the add-on update dialog each time it starts if a new version of the add-on is available. If there’s sufficient demand, I’ll let you configure update check interval.
- When you check for updates from the new Windows 10 App Essentials dialog, the dialog will close, current settings will be saved, and add-on update dialog will pop up.
Enjoy. Cheers, Joseph
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FYI, NVDA reads the title and says blank for everything else (assuming there is anything else). How do you get NVDA to work in the HP printing software? Cindy
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 11:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR software? On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 10:57 pm, slery wrote: Really? Please tell me where the OCR function is and how to access it in my HP Officejet 7500 E910.
See the User Guide for your machine, PDF page 48, that documents doing this using the HP Software that comes with the printer under the section entitled, Scanning documents as editable text. I cannot speak to why it would not be accessible, as I've never used this particular model, but I have used HP multi-function machines with the full-featured software suite and driver (the one for your machine is downloadable here) with screen readers without difficulty. There have been times, not limited in any way to HP software, where a given piece of software would not "play well" with a given screen reader and another screen reader would work perfectly with it. It's always worth checking.
--
Brian He discloses the workings of a mind to which incoherence lends an illusion of profundity. ~ T. De Vere White
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Re: Solved: Reading formatting with Jarte
Duly noted. If anything comes up, I'll remember this advice.
Thanks again for your input. It's been a great help.
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On 17/01/2017 11:12 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
I must admit I haven't encountered any lag, although I am sure there are others running much lower spec hardware.
The other thing I was going to say on that while I think of it, is that if you do find it lags in other programs, it's possible to setup a configuration profile just for Jarte which has the option on where you leave it off in other programs (or setup a
profile for another program to have it off if it's just an issue in one other program).
Kind regards
Quentin.
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Re: Solved: Reading formatting with Jarte
I must admit I haven't encountered any lag, although I am sure there are others running much lower spec hardware.
The other thing I was going to say on that while I think of it, is that if you do find it lags in other programs, it's possible to setup a configuration profile just for Jarte which has the option on where you leave it off in other programs (or setup a profile for another program to have it off if it's just an issue in one other program).
Kind regards
Quentin.
On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Sharni-Lee Ward <sharni-lee.ward@...> wrote:
Thank you! I never used that option before because of the lag warning, but I guess that lag is negligible or just doesn't happen all the time. I'd forgotten it existed.
Well, looks like Jarte will be my alternate word processor of choice! It does everything I want it to do, and I honestly sometimes find background spellchecking distracting and like the one in the menus, so I'll stick with that. Might take me a while to
add all the words I want in the dictionary. There are a lot of Pokémon nowadays.
On 17/01/2017 9:17 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Sharni-Lee and everyone,
I thought I would write this as a new thread, just for anyone who didn't follow all the way through the Accessible Word Processors thread and the issue raised of reading formatting such as Italics.
The issue was the things like Italics were read at the start of a line, but not when they appeared in the middle of a line.
The solution is to open the NVDA document formatting dialog and ensure "Report formatting changes after the cursor (Can cause a lag)" is enabled. What this does is detect all formatting on the line, not just at the exact place the cursor is. When using
say all (NVDA+a or NVDA+down arrow), the cursor moves down to the start of each line as it gets to it, which is why it was detecting formatting at the start of the line but not in the middle.
To turn this option on:
1. Press NVDA+CONTROL+D (or NVDA+N to open NVDA's menu, then choose preferences, then Document formatting).
2. TAB or SHIFT+TAB to the "Report formatting changes after the cursor (can cause a lag) option.
3. Press SPACEBAR to toggle this option. Ensure it is checked.
Note that the option is the last thing in the dialog now before the ok and cancel buttons, so SHIFT+TAB is easier to get to it (just noticed there doesn't seem to be a hot key, I'll open an issue for that).
Note that in order to report things like italic and bold, you will also need to have "font attributes" checked, which is the third option in the dialog.
I tested this with a portable version of Jarte in Windows 7 as well as Windows 10 just to ensure it works in both.
Kind regards
Quentin.
--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
-- Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
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Re: Solved: Reading formatting with Jarte
Thank you! I never used that option before because of the lag warning, but I guess that lag is negligible or just doesn't happen all the time. I'd forgotten it existed.
Well, looks like Jarte will be my alternate word processor of choice! It does everything I want it to do, and I honestly sometimes find background spellchecking distracting and like the one in the menus, so I'll stick with that. Might take me a while to
add all the words I want in the dictionary. There are a lot of Pokémon nowadays.
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On 17/01/2017 9:17 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Sharni-Lee and everyone,
I thought I would write this as a new thread, just for anyone who didn't follow all the way through the Accessible Word Processors thread and the issue raised of reading formatting such as Italics.
The issue was the things like Italics were read at the start of a line, but not when they appeared in the middle of a line.
The solution is to open the NVDA document formatting dialog and ensure "Report formatting changes after the cursor (Can cause a lag)" is enabled. What this does is detect all formatting on the line, not just at the exact place the cursor is. When using
say all (NVDA+a or NVDA+down arrow), the cursor moves down to the start of each line as it gets to it, which is why it was detecting formatting at the start of the line but not in the middle.
To turn this option on:
1. Press NVDA+CONTROL+D (or NVDA+N to open NVDA's menu, then choose preferences, then Document formatting).
2. TAB or SHIFT+TAB to the "Report formatting changes after the cursor (can cause a lag) option.
3. Press SPACEBAR to toggle this option. Ensure it is checked.
Note that the option is the last thing in the dialog now before the ok and cancel buttons, so SHIFT+TAB is easier to get to it (just noticed there doesn't seem to be a hot key, I'll open an issue for that).
Note that in order to report things like italic and bold, you will also need to have "font attributes" checked, which is the third option in the dialog.
I tested this with a portable version of Jarte in Windows 7 as well as Windows 10 just to ensure it works in both.
Kind regards
Quentin.
--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
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Re: accessible word processors with NVDA
Or names that have even more spelling
variants:
Catherine, Katherine, Cathrynne, Kathrynne,
Katharine, Catharine, Catharynne, Katharynne, etc. I think I've seen more for
that one than any other. I agree with Gene that figuring out how common words,
and especially proper nouns, such as names, are spelled when replying or
addressing someone in a professional environment. Someone writing captcha as
capture annoys me to no end.
Travis
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA
It may seem reasonable but it should strenuously be
avoided. Such mistakes lower the credibility of the person writing.
If someone writes to a web site developer about captures when they mean
captchas, it will not be as credible to the web site developer when the person
doesn't get the name right about what is being complained about. In other
words, it doesn't matter how something sounds. No matter how an unfamiliar
word sounds, the spelling should not be assumed.
and it may be embarrassing. Suppose you are
writing to someone on a business matter and you spell the first name Steven with
a v when it's Stephen, with a ph instead of a v. That doesn't leave a good
impression.
Gene
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Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with
NVDA
I used to do this with CAPTCHA, though to be fair, you do have to
capture something to solve it—hidden words or numbers in an image or sound, the
true image if you have to drag/drop parts of a picture, etc. It's a perfectly
reasonable mistake to make. Good thing Espeak NG says it more clearly now, isn't
it? :)
On 16/01/2017 10:33 AM, Gene wrote:
The program is free and it is not Jot. It
is JARTE j a r t e. If blind people don't check the spelling of
unfamiliar words they intend to use, they make these kinds of mistakes.
CAPTCHA is another glaring example, It is chronically written
"capture."
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with
NVDA
Hi, is there a free trial for Jot? If so how long is it free
before you have to pay? Or, do you have to buy it in order to use
it?
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Brian's Mail list account
Sent: January-15-17 2:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda]
accessible word processors with NVDA
The thing about Jarte is that to
open docx files it needs the purchased version as far as I know. OOpen and
Libra Office seem to be able to load in docx files, but as has been discussed
here of late, the authors need to do some more work to allow screenreaders to
work on all parts of them like read all etc.
Of course it might
be possible to find an old copy of an older version of Office pro corporate
which I did and it still worked aand accepted the key.
Legal? Well,
its a grey area isn't it. if the original buyer is giving it away, then who
cares.
Brian
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----- Original Message -----
From:
"Sharni-Lee Ward" <sharni-lee.ward@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, January
15, 2017 5:18 AM
Subject: [nvda] accessible word processors with
NVDA
> Hi,
>
>
> My computer's keyboard's been
acting up, and I have my Mum's as a
> backup, but it doesn't have
Microsoft Office on it, and I was wondering
> if there was a decent free
word processor out there, accessible with
> NVDA, that I could install
on that computer instead. It would be nice if
> it could read and edit
.docx files, but I'm aware I can't have everything.
>
>
>
The most used features in Word for me are:
>
> The Spellchecker,
including a whole dictionary of words I've added so
> Pokémon names,
anime characters' names and names I just made up don't
> get
flagged;
>
> The word-counter;
>
>
Page-breaks;
>
> Headings (mostly for aesthetic
reasons).
>
> If there's something out there that does all these
things, and is free
> and accessible, I'll be pretty happy with
it.
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: off topic but interesting or: Add-ons in fireFox
If you want to install an unsigned add on, I can
see disabling the requirement that add ons be signed. But I see no reason
to do all the other things you do that strike me as to a certain extent
dangerous and unnecessary. Others who install add ons don't do these
things. It's easy enough to install add ons. I almost never install
them but when I do, I am asked in one or two dialogs to verify that I want to
install the add on. I'm not sure how easy it is to find the installation
message even though it's read automatically but if you listen carefully, you
will hear the commands to allow or not allow the installation. I don't
remember what they are now but they are alt and a letter command as I recall and
if you listen during the announcement being read you will hear the
commands.
Gene
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Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic but interesting or: Add-ons in
fireFox
Yes, when I need to install something I shut down firefox
security for all addons I forget where but there is a way to ignore signed
and other things in about-config that has to do with required
signatures. With this off, I also disable all security settings and other
things in firefox. I then shut down my firewall, all my malware scanners
and open my ports allowing anyone to hack in. I then install the
software, then put all my settings back, it does mean I have to hit buttons
a lot more than I should for a few files but I don't usually need to add
things. It goes without saying that any mozilla addons will just load from
the firefox store without much trouble. On 17/01/2017 7:44
a.m., Георги Ламбов wrote: > Evening
group! > > I'm trying to install an add-on on firefox but the action
is > unsuccessful. With the latest firefox version. Otherwise I have
some > important add-ons installed and it seems to me that with each
next > version of firefox, the add-on's installation is more difficult and
even > immpossible. Are there any tricks for the latest version which I
work with? > > Georgi > > > > >
. >
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Re: Accessible Word Processor
OK thanks for that.
I did a little experimenting to see why I thought you could not set Font attributes as in HJPad.What I found was
1. Using NVDA 2016.4 I typed some sample text in HJPad. I then selected it all and pressed control i for italic.
2. NVDA did not make any announcement about the text being italicised as in Word for example.
3. However I then pressed NVDA and F to get Font attributes and this time NVDA did announce that the text was italicised alongside all the other Font attributes.
4. It seems then that to make HJPad properly usable you have to turn on Font attribute
and style feedback in NVDA document Formatting options with NVDA Control plus D. With this amended with Font and Style checked you can get good proofing type feedback as you review text in HJPad.
One thing HJPad certainly does have unlike other free Word Processing options is good support for read all, and reading by paragraph is also easy with control down and up arrow.
In that sense HJPad does seem to be a viable option for Word Processing with this change in NVDA Font feedback, certainly in basic document creation.
There are limitations however in the lack of support for tables- and in the limitation in the range of formats supported. I could save only in text or rtf.
At a pince though I could envisage a situation where if at a push you created the vast bulk of a document in HJPad and then used it in conjucntion with something like Libre Office for document conversion and support for tables- though as I understand it NVDA does not currently support tables that well in Libre or Open Office.
So Libre Office could be a pipeline to HJPad converting docx files to rtf for use in HJPad and vice versa for converting the HJPad rtf document to docx.
Other workarounds will be probably necesary to deal with tables.
What I used to do on the Mac to get around this problem with table support was to save as html and read in a browser. I do not know if Libre Office supports saving as html but this is a possible work around.
Anyway HJPad is a free Word Processor which you can use alongside the FS Daisy Book Reader if you install Jaws and leave it in demo mode.
David Griffith
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On 16/01/2017 14:04, Gene wrote: Also, these sorts of attributes can be found by opening the menus, opening tools, then opening fonts from the tools submenu.
Select a fond in the list.
Then tab once. You will be in a list of attributes for the font, italics being one. I didn't tab further to see what else is in the dialog.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 7:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor
You can set fonts. It is more or less the case that if the old Wordpad can do something, HJPad can do it. If you type a sentence and use control I to toggle between italics on and off, the text will be italicized where indicated. I see no reason to believe other such commands are absent. I haven't seen this stated anywhere, but just comparing the old Wordpad to HJPad, even the name, indicates that it was built on the old WordPad. It was intended for use with JAWS basic training material. It may be that the basic training material has changed to the point where HJPad isn't as useful with it as before.
Those who are curious will find, in the HJPad menus under tools, a submenu named sample dialogs. It is interesting to play around with the sample dialogs. Some of them would still make good teaching tools and references.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: David Griffith
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 7:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor
HJPad does appear to have been removed as an explicitly supported
Utility in Jaws but I actually found it buried away in a strange
location even with Jaws 18.
Quite why it would be hidden in this location I do not know.
It does have a spell checker but little else really. As far as I can
tell you can edit the font but cannot set any font attributes like bold,
italic, or underline.
I always saw it as really a possible notepad replacement rather than a
word processor.
Despite being buried away it does still work.
Anyway I found it on my system under the follwoing very odd path
C:\Windows\Installer\$PatchCache$\Managed\38E784264F70E08468F74BA4CC2F4C2E\18.0.1835\HJPAD.EXE
David Griffith
David Griffith
On 16/01/2017 10:10, Robert Kingett wrote:
I have not seen any H J Pad, but OpenOffice is the most accessible
word processor besides Microsoft word. There is Jarte, of course, but
I do not count that because you have to pay to get all of the features.
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Re: off topic but interesting or: Add-ons in fireFox
Yes, when I need to install something I shut down firefox security for all addons I forget where but there is a way to ignore signed and other things in about-config that has to do with required signatures.
With this off, I also disable all security settings and other things in firefox.
I then shut down my firewall, all my malware scanners and open my ports allowing anyone to hack in.
I then install the software, then put all my settings back, it does mean I have to hit buttons a lot more than I should for a few files but I don't usually need to add things.
It goes without saying that any mozilla addons will just load from the firefox store without much trouble.
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On 17/01/2017 7:44 a.m., Георги Ламбов wrote: Evening group!
I'm trying to install an add-on on firefox but the action is
unsuccessful. With the latest firefox version. Otherwise I have some
important add-ons installed and it seems to me that with each next
version of firefox, the add-on's installation is more difficult and even
immpossible. Are there any tricks for the latest version which I work with?
Georgi
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Re: removing a forgotten password
Is the password in question in the laptop bios or is it in windows itself. if its the former there is little you can do bar buy another mutherboard or another laptop. If its in windows, if you have a password reset disk then you can probably reset the password. if not, you could use your windows installation disk and reformat and reinstall windows. If you can get a win7 pe or 10 talking pe, I think its on opopanax.net but I forget I think http://dl.opopanax.net/files should be it, then you should be able to get that backup your user files then reinstall windows. On that note, I do wander if you make a password reset disk on another computer you can then use it on a windows computer you have lost the password.
On 17/01/2017 6:48 a.m., Pascal Lambert wrote: Please, need your urgent help. I need to remove a forgotten password on a laptop I need to access.
It is an HP laptop using Win10.
Many thanks.
Blessings.
Pascal
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 9:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor
Also, these sorts of attributes can be found by opening the menus, opening tools, then opening fonts from the tools submenu.
Select a fond in the list.
Then tab once. You will be in a list of attributes for the font, italics being one. I didn't tab further to see what else is in the dialog.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 7:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor
You can set fonts. It is more or less the case that if the old Wordpad can do something, HJPad can do it. If you type a sentence and use control I to toggle between italics on and off, the text will be italicized where indicated. I see no reason to believe other such commands are absent. I haven't seen this stated anywhere, but just comparing the old Wordpad to HJPad, even the name, indicates that it was built on the old WordPad. It was intended for use with JAWS basic training material. It may be that the basic training material has changed to the point where HJPad isn't as useful with it as before.
Those who are curious will find, in the HJPad menus under tools, a submenu named sample dialogs. It is interesting to play around with the sample dialogs. Some of them would still make good teaching tools and references.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: David Griffith <mailto:daj.griffith@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 7:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor
HJPad does appear to have been removed as an explicitly supported
Utility in Jaws but I actually found it buried away in a strange
location even with Jaws 18.
Quite why it would be hidden in this location I do not know.
It does have a spell checker but little else really. As far as I can
tell you can edit the font but cannot set any font attributes like bold,
italic, or underline.
I always saw it as really a possible notepad replacement rather than a
word processor.
Despite being buried away it does still work.
Anyway I found it on my system under the follwoing very odd path
C:\Windows\Installer\$PatchCache$\Managed\38E784264F70E08468F74BA4CC2F4C2E\18.0.1835\HJPAD.EXE
David Griffith
David Griffith
On 16/01/2017 10:10, Robert Kingett wrote:
I have not seen any H J Pad, but OpenOffice is the most accessible
word processor besides Microsoft word. There is Jarte, of course, but
I do not count that because you have to pay to get all of the features.
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Re: Reading math using NVDA
Hi David,
As well as MathPlayer, you also need MathType - also by Design Science.
If you are still having problems, please let me know if you are getting an error, or what you are trying and what is happening.
Kind regards
Quentin.
On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 11:44 PM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@...> wrote: I have no knowledge of Mats I am afraid but I would simply comment that I routinely save Powerpoint presentations to PDF which personally i find much easer to review then.
Whether this solves your maths problem is another matter of course.
David Griffith
On 16/01/2017 11:07, Joel.B wrote:
Hi,
Can someone please guide me how to read math keyed in mathtype in powerpoint using NVDA?
Thanks,
Joel
-- Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
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Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released
system language, my keyboard is usually us to I have never needed to change it for any reason.
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On 16/01/2017 10:02 p.m., Jacob Kruger wrote: Are you talking about system language, or keyboard language?
While my system language is generally set to english UK, or english
South Africa, keyboard language is always set to english US.
Stay well
Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2017-01-16 10:43, Shaun Everiss wrote:
I know this is a bit far fetched but has anyone been able to emulate
this.
I have several machines installed win10 in new zealand languages were
nz and us, and I switched to nz by default no issues there.
I am unsure but not willing to try to switch to us and see.
I have just finnished working with an old first gen i3.
Its mostly set as a windows server handling not much.
I updated as much as I could and installed as much as I could without
breaking it so nothing really big like vertual machines and big
network management stuff is actually loaded on it, however it was in
us language, I tried to change it to nz.
I managed to get the language pack installed.
However after changing to that pack and restarting.
Windows acted really strange the keyboard stopped working right, and
almost total accessability failier, until I switched back.
Once again I tried with other keyboards but no luck.
I basically tried the search box and it either didn't respond or was
slow to, this was with narator to mind you and nvda in core and standard.
Also it seems that even when it did work it wouldn't accept anything
to do with language or anything with enter, ie if I hit search, typed
language and hit enter I'd just get the speach saying la la la la
lalalalalala
All day long till I restored the system or reset via control panel the
language.
I have never needed to change languages since build 10040 that was
when I upgraded initially, since then its never been needed.
I also had to clear a lot of optional features from the system and
somehow after killing stuff I shouldn't have add optional feature
button went and I got something about typing, luckily there was a
point from when I uninstalled a program that morning else I'd have to
reformat and its not my pc.
I then slowly created points and redid what was needed excluding the
stuff that didn't work.
One of the things I retried was the language and after having a few
issues with it and finally installing it.
And then finally applying the windows update again for the updated
language files, the system semi worked but the keyboard refused no
matter what board I used and other languages than us.
Also apps especially universals, search boxes, store, etc loaded
slowly or if they loaded the accessability functions never kicked in
at least for a couple minutes.
I have ofcause an ultrafast unit here which has no issue but its not
mine and again the language and board are nz and us respectively and I
am not mucking round.
I also never needed to remove optional features or anything like it.
I have only once needed to remove some program features from control
panel but I have never had the same issue.
I figgure the system is probably a bit slow and all the extras are
making it crash so I didn't push it.
However even if most of what I say only happens on vary slow boxes
there may be something in that.
I don't want to mangle an actual system, but even if I didn't load
every feature and junket I'd still want to at least change the
language if not for anything then the dictionaries and other office
default thingies that went on.
And if not I could get round that.
I am not sure what it is.
I suspect that its the input methods and maybe a few other things.
I am close, that close I can feel it again I am so far away that I
could spend all day on it.
In the end I got the system working for shipping back to its owner today.
I don't think it would look good on the contract to say because I
wanted to see what this button did I'd have to reformat and such,
especially since I don't use a screen at all, so I do rely on the
system starting up enough to run sound and my keyboard.\
Also is it just me or is realtek.com.tw offline and has been for days
now.
Skype update servers were offline today but thats ok now.
The next box I will be dealing with is a i7 with hybrid ssd and hdd,
and I hope it won't have the same issue.
Naturally I will be doing the same thing, seeing if I can stress the
thing by loading lots of stuff and seeing what it does.
It goes without saying though that I will be making restore points I
didn't this morning so I will do so before anything major is done.
I just hope things are not as mangled as they were.
But if windows does this again, then there is a bug.
If I write back again and I hope to god I don't need to it means that
I replicated the bug.
If its win10 apps or nvda then whatever.
I know there are insiders on here so if it happens to you or whatever
maybe you could post a feadback, I guess I could but I havn't tracked
the issue down and I will have slightly less time tomorrow than I did
today to do it.
Pluss I know half of you hackers stay up all night, yes! mr lee I am
looking at you right at this minute.
I am sure if it can be replicated someone can get back to me or over
on the list, removing, installing features and changing languages for
default language at least is not something you tend to do often.
If it can be done, at least I do hope that programs that need it
detect and run the language pack even if windows just doesn't do so.
On 16/01/2017 4:42 p.m., Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
To tell you the truth, Windows 10 App Essentials will not work under
anything other than Windows 10 build 10586 (Version 1511) or later.
Cheers,
Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Arlene
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 7:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released
I will when the new version comes out.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: January-15-17 5:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released
Hi,
Trying installing it in Windows 7.
Cheers,
Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 3:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released
Hi, could windows 7 users use it too?
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: January-15-17 7:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released
Hi,
Yes, you have Anniversary Update, so go ahead and use 17.01.
Cheers,
Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rémy Ruiz
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 4:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released
Hi Joseph!
Thanks, i am using:
14393.693)
If I understand correctly, I can now cheerfully pass this new version:
Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01
Thanks again for all!
Have a good day!
Cheers since France.
Rémy
Le 14/01/2017 20:53, Joseph Lee a écrit :
Hi,
Open Start, type “winver” (without quotes) and press ENTER. If you are
hearing builds other than 1024, 10586 and 14393, you are running an
Insider
Preview build.
Cheers,
Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rémy Ruiz
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 11:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released
Hi Josephe,
Thanks for jour job!
Sorry how to know if i am using Windows Insider build?
For me Windows ten is new! :)
Thanks very much.
Cheers since France.
Rémy
Le 14/01/2017 18:08, Joseph Lee a écrit :
Hi everyone,
Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 is now available:
https://github.com/josephsl/wintenApps/releases/tag/17.01
Important: if you are using Windows Insider build 15002 or later,
please do
NOT use this build – you should either use the latest development
snapshot
or wait until add-on 17.02 comes out. Also, this version is the last
one to
support NVDA 2016.3 or earlier.
Cheers,
Joseph
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Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released
Well I replicated the issue once again while doing another unit today, same client.
this time an i7 hybrid ssd hdd third generation.
The searchbox never went away, but I can certainly notice the delays, and typing lang just does not work.
On my desktop updated with 10040 ofcause that was never the issue in fact its been nz language and thats all.
I thought I'd be nice and report it in feadback hub but I couldn't find the submit buttons and the input fields while they do read back to me do not under any circomstances echo back I also noticed that I have to go to control panel to actually install the language packs as well as download all of those on settings.
I have not tried to remove features on the working system I have or in fact to remove optional features and see if that bug with it doing what it was doing before appearing I assume it is still there.
To finnish off the message slightly away from it to the person with the issue with the delete dialog, after removing some spyware from the latest box, even with default brouser, I couldn't open web addresses till I told open to make chrome the default which it was anyway and I also had to go to the recyclebin properties and uncheck the notification messages so it would then show again, its aparently a new windows feature according to the net and I am not to thrilled with it especially for new users.
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
On 16/01/2017 11:10 p.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote: It says system language English US, Language Locale' English UK
One assumes this means that there are rules for English always, but
variations occur for different countries such as currency defaults and
other stuff., like spelling dictionaries etc.
I have on more than one occasion had sent to me doc files from machines
set up all over the place from Cyrillic to English us and it can be a
real pain when attempting to edit such files having to check the
language the template used was in to get anything sensible.
I've also found daft things going on like a line I've added apparently
in English suddenly turning to what looks like Greek on print out, to
the great hilarity of my sighted friends.
I guess with computers a good sense of humour and patience is needed.
Brian
bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacob@blindza.co.za>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released
Are you talking about system language, or keyboard language?
While my system language is generally set to english UK, or english
South Africa, keyboard language is always set to english US.
Stay well
Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2017-01-16 10:43, Shaun Everiss wrote:
I know this is a bit far fetched but has anyone been able to emulate
this.
I have several machines installed win10 in new zealand languages were
nz and us, and I switched to nz by default no issues there.
I am unsure but not willing to try to switch to us and see.
I have just finnished working with an old first gen i3.
Its mostly set as a windows server handling not much.
I updated as much as I could and installed as much as I could without
breaking it so nothing really big like vertual machines and big
network management stuff is actually loaded on it, however it was in
us language, I tried to change it to nz.
I managed to get the language pack installed.
However after changing to that pack and restarting.
Windows acted really strange the keyboard stopped working right, and
almost total accessability failier, until I switched back.
Once again I tried with other keyboards but no luck.
I basically tried the search box and it either didn't respond or was
slow to, this was with narator to mind you and nvda in core and
standard.
Also it seems that even when it did work it wouldn't accept anything
to do with language or anything with enter, ie if I hit search, typed
language and hit enter I'd just get the speach saying la la la la
lalalalalala
All day long till I restored the system or reset via control panel
the language.
I have never needed to change languages since build 10040 that was
when I upgraded initially, since then its never been needed.
I also had to clear a lot of optional features from the system and
somehow after killing stuff I shouldn't have add optional feature
button went and I got something about typing, luckily there was a
point from when I uninstalled a program that morning else I'd have to
reformat and its not my pc.
I then slowly created points and redid what was needed excluding the
stuff that didn't work.
One of the things I retried was the language and after having a few
issues with it and finally installing it.
And then finally applying the windows update again for the updated
language files, the system semi worked but the keyboard refused no
matter what board I used and other languages than us.
Also apps especially universals, search boxes, store, etc loaded
slowly or if they loaded the accessability functions never kicked in
at least for a couple minutes.
I have ofcause an ultrafast unit here which has no issue but its not
mine and again the language and board are nz and us respectively and
I am not mucking round.
I also never needed to remove optional features or anything like it.
I have only once needed to remove some program features from control
panel but I have never had the same issue.
I figgure the system is probably a bit slow and all the extras are
making it crash so I didn't push it.
However even if most of what I say only happens on vary slow boxes
there may be something in that.
I don't want to mangle an actual system, but even if I didn't load
every feature and junket I'd still want to at least change the
language if not for anything then the dictionaries and other office
default thingies that went on.
And if not I could get round that.
I am not sure what it is.
I suspect that its the input methods and maybe a few other things.
I am close, that close I can feel it again I am so far away that I
could spend all day on it.
In the end I got the system working for shipping back to its owner
today.
I don't think it would look good on the contract to say because I
wanted to see what this button did I'd have to reformat and such,
especially since I don't use a screen at all, so I do rely on the
system starting up enough to run sound and my keyboard.\
Also is it just me or is realtek.com.tw offline and has been for days
now.
Skype update servers were offline today but thats ok now.
The next box I will be dealing with is a i7 with hybrid ssd and hdd,
and I hope it won't have the same issue.
Naturally I will be doing the same thing, seeing if I can stress the
thing by loading lots of stuff and seeing what it does.
It goes without saying though that I will be making restore points I
didn't this morning so I will do so before anything major is done.
I just hope things are not as mangled as they were.
But if windows does this again, then there is a bug.
If I write back again and I hope to god I don't need to it means that
I replicated the bug.
If its win10 apps or nvda then whatever.
I know there are insiders on here so if it happens to you or whatever
maybe you could post a feadback, I guess I could but I havn't tracked
the issue down and I will have slightly less time tomorrow than I did
today to do it.
Pluss I know half of you hackers stay up all night, yes! mr lee I am
looking at you right at this minute.
I am sure if it can be replicated someone can get back to me or over
on the list, removing, installing features and changing languages for
default language at least is not something you tend to do often.
If it can be done, at least I do hope that programs that need it
detect and run the language pack even if windows just doesn't do so.
On 16/01/2017 4:42 p.m., Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
To tell you the truth, Windows 10 App Essentials will not work under
anything other than Windows 10 build 10586 (Version 1511) or later.
Cheers,
Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Arlene
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 7:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released
I will when the new version comes out.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: January-15-17 5:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released
Hi,
Trying installing it in Windows 7.
Cheers,
Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 3:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released
Hi, could windows 7 users use it too?
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: January-15-17 7:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released
Hi,
Yes, you have Anniversary Update, so go ahead and use 17.01.
Cheers,
Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rémy Ruiz
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 4:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released
Hi Joseph!
Thanks, i am using:
14393.693)
If I understand correctly, I can now cheerfully pass this new version:
Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01
Thanks again for all!
Have a good day!
Cheers since France.
Rémy
Le 14/01/2017 20:53, Joseph Lee a écrit :
Hi,
Open Start, type “winver” (without quotes) and press ENTER. If you are
hearing builds other than 1024, 10586 and 14393, you are running an
Insider
Preview build.
Cheers,
Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rémy Ruiz
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 11:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released
Hi Josephe,
Thanks for jour job!
Sorry how to know if i am using Windows Insider build?
For me Windows ten is new! :)
Thanks very much.
Cheers since France.
Rémy
Le 14/01/2017 18:08, Joseph Lee a écrit :
Hi everyone,
Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 is now available:
https://github.com/josephsl/wintenApps/releases/tag/17.01
Important: if you are using Windows Insider build 15002 or later,
please do
NOT use this build – you should either use the latest development
snapshot
or wait until add-on 17.02 comes out. Also, this version is the last
one to
support NVDA 2016.3 or earlier.
Cheers,
Joseph
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Solved: Reading formatting with Jarte
Hi Sharni-Lee and everyone,
I thought I would write this as a new thread, just for anyone who didn't follow all the way through the Accessible Word Processors thread and the issue raised of reading formatting such as Italics.
The issue was the things like Italics were read at the start of a line, but not when they appeared in the middle of a line.
The solution is to open the NVDA document formatting dialog and ensure "Report formatting changes after the cursor (Can cause a lag)" is enabled. What this does is detect all formatting on the line, not just at the exact place the cursor is. When using say all (NVDA+a or NVDA+down arrow), the cursor moves down to the start of each line as it gets to it, which is why it was detecting formatting at the start of the line but not in the middle.
To turn this option on:
1. Press NVDA+CONTROL+D (or NVDA+N to open NVDA's menu, then choose preferences, then Document formatting). 2. TAB or SHIFT+TAB to the "Report formatting changes after the cursor (can cause a lag) option. 3. Press SPACEBAR to toggle this option. Ensure it is checked.
Note that the option is the last thing in the dialog now before the ok and cancel buttons, so SHIFT+TAB is easier to get to it (just noticed there doesn't seem to be a hot key, I'll open an issue for that).
Note that in order to report things like italic and bold, you will also need to have "font attributes" checked, which is the third option in the dialog.
I tested this with a portable version of Jarte in Windows 7 as well as Windows 10 just to ensure it works in both.
Kind regards
Quentin.
-- Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
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Re: off topic but interesting or: Add-ons in fireFox
Hello,
Has that addon been signed?
Best regards
Ksenia Natapova
Von meinem iPhone gesendet
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Am 16.01.2017 um 19:44 schrieb Георги Ламбов <obichamlegiona@gmail.com>:
Evening group!
I'm trying to install an add-on on firefox but the action is unsuccessful. With the latest firefox version. Otherwise I have some important add-ons installed and it seems to me that with each next version of firefox, the add-on's installation is more difficult and even immpossible. Are there any tricks for the latest version which I work with?
Georgi
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off topic but interesting or: Add-ons in fireFox
Георги Ламбов <obichamlegiona@...>
Evening group!
I'm trying to install an add-on on firefox but the action is unsuccessful. With the latest firefox version. Otherwise I have some important add-ons installed and it seems to me that with each next version of firefox, the add-on's installation is more difficult and even immpossible. Are there any tricks for the latest version which I work with?
Georgi
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Accessing various folders in Outlook 2016 with Windows 10 and NVDA 2016.4
Hi friends,
I am using MS Office 365 with windows 10 and NVDA 2016.4. I am unable
to access folders other than In-box in MS Outlook 2016. How do I do
that? I wish to access sent items. Even when I press Contrl plus y I
can get the folders but am not able to move messages from one folder to
another. Any help will be appreciated.
With best wishes,
Ketan
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removing a forgotten password
Please, need your urgent help. I need to remove a forgotten password on a laptop I need to access. It is an HP laptop using Win10. Many thanks. Blessings. Pascal
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 9:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor Also, these sorts of attributes can be found by opening the menus, opening tools, then opening fonts from the tools submenu. Select a fond in the list. Then tab once. You will be in a list of attributes for the font, italics being one. I didn't tab further to see what else is in the dialog. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor You can set fonts. It is more or less the case that if the old Wordpad can do something, HJPad can do it. If you type a sentence and use control I to toggle between italics on and off, the text will be italicized where indicated. I see no reason to believe other such commands are absent. I haven't seen this stated anywhere, but just comparing the old Wordpad to HJPad, even the name, indicates that it was built on the old WordPad. It was intended for use with JAWS basic training material. It may be that the basic training material has changed to the point where HJPad isn't as useful with it as before. Those who are curious will find, in the HJPad menus under tools, a submenu named sample dialogs. It is interesting to play around with the sample dialogs. Some of them would still make good teaching tools and references. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 7:37 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor HJPad does appear to have been removed as an explicitly supported
Utility in Jaws but I actually found it buried away in a strange
location even with Jaws 18.
Quite why it would be hidden in this location I do not know.
It does have a spell checker but little else really. As far as I can
tell you can edit the font but cannot set any font attributes like bold,
italic, or underline.
I always saw it as really a possible notepad replacement rather than a
word processor.
Despite being buried away it does still work.
Anyway I found it on my system under the follwoing very odd path
C:\Windows\Installer\$PatchCache$\Managed\38E784264F70E08468F74BA4CC2F4C2E\18.0.1835\HJPAD.EXE
David Griffith
David Griffith
On 16/01/2017 10:10, Robert Kingett wrote:
> I have not seen any H J Pad, but OpenOffice is the most accessible
> word processor besides Microsoft word. There is Jarte, of course, but
> I do not count that because you have to pay to get all of the features.
>
>
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Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released
Hi,
Yep, that fix is under incubation at this time (next branch). I'll remove that fix from my add-on once the fix makes it to a stable version of NVDA.
Cheers,
Joseph
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andre Fisher Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 10:40 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released One thing to point out though Joseph. The add-on does do one thing that is not Windows 10 specific. When Windows+D is used to go to the desktop, while the add-on is running, pane is not announced all across the board. Thanks. On 1/15/17, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote: Hi,
To tell you the truth, Windows 10 App Essentials will not work under
anything other than Windows 10 build 10586 (Version 1511) or later.
Cheers,
Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Arlene
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 7:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released
I will when the new version comes out.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: January-15-17 5:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released
Hi,
Trying installing it in Windows 7.
Cheers,
Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 3:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released
Hi, could windows 7 users use it too?
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: January-15-17 7:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released
Hi,
Yes, you have Anniversary Update, so go ahead and use 17.01.
Cheers,
Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rémy Ruiz
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 4:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released
Hi Joseph!
Thanks, i am using:
14393.693)
If I understand correctly, I can now cheerfully pass this new version:
Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01
Thanks again for all!
Have a good day!
Cheers since France.
Rémy
Le 14/01/2017 20:53, Joseph Lee a écrit :
Hi,
Open Start, type “winver” (without quotes) and press ENTER. If you are
hearing builds other than 1024, 10586 and 14393, you are running an
Insider Preview build.
Cheers,
Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rémy Ruiz
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 11:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released
Hi Josephe,
Thanks for jour job!
Sorry how to know if i am using Windows Insider build?
For me Windows ten is new! :)
Thanks very much.
Cheers since France.
Rémy
Le 14/01/2017 18:08, Joseph Lee a écrit :
Hi everyone,
Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 is now available:
https://github.com/josephsl/wintenApps/releases/tag/17.01
Important: if you are using Windows Insider build 15002 or later,
please do NOT use this build – you should either use the latest
development snapshot or wait until add-on 17.02 comes out. Also, this
version is the last one to support NVDA 2016.3 or earlier.
Cheers,
Joseph
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Important announcement for StationPlaylist Studio add-on users: please update to todays' builds by February 1st due to change of add-on update address
Hi everyone, especially for SPL Studio add-on users, If you are using add-on releases prior to 17.01.1 stable or 15.5A LTS (released today), please update to today’s builds by February 1st (LTS is for those using SPL 5.01). Starting from today’s builds, the add-on update address has changed as part of a transition process to replace nvda-kr.org with a brand new website. The latest add-on releases can be found at: https://github.com/josephsl/stationPlaylist/releases/tag/17.01 Cheers, Joseph
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