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nvda and orbit20 braille display

Josh Kennedy
 

just providing some feedback here... The latest beta update for orbit20 and NVDA 2016.4 is working very well even on this old machine running windows10.


Re: OT: iPod accessibility

Helga Schreiber
 

Hi , How are you?Yes, The  eiPod  Nano and iPod touch a has Voiceover. I hve an iPod 6 generation and i use it for music and you can use it for emil and more.  If you have  an iphone, youiwll see  see it is similar. And yes, it has Bluetooth and a headphone jack.   And regarding iTunes, i If you don't want   to use itunes is a storage call iCloud that comes with the iPod touch, and you can  back up all  your  info in there! Feel free  to write me off list and I can tell you  more about it!  I look forward in hearing from yousoon. Thanks and God bless!

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On Jan 17, 2017, at 8:51 PM, "coffeekingms@..." <coffeekingms@...> wrote:

hi all

This is another off topic post, sorry about that. As I said about the
compute sticks my birthday is coming up, and if I can't find a good one
I can afford, I'll probably end up getting an iPod nano or cheap iPod
touch. I can't find whether these things come with, what's apple's
screen reader, voice over? And I'm not buying an audio player that
doesn't talk unless it's one that rockbox will run on, and that's few
and far between these days. Also, do the new iPods, either nano or
touch, come with bluetooth? I have several good bluetooth headsets and
the ability to use them without wires would be nice. Failing that, do
they at least come with headphone jacks? I seem to remember hearing
something about the new iPhones no longer having them, instead you need
some sort of lightning adaptor. I'm new to iPods of any kind, the only
one I've ever had is an old iPod video that ran rockbox, so bear with
me.. Is it possible to use them without the bloat of iTunes? Not that
I'm trying to start anything, but iTunes has just never impressed me.
I'd prefer to use a more light weight media player, like foobar 2000 or
maybe something open source if such a thing exists for windows. I can
use programs in linux to manage it, but I'd like to be able to use it in
both. If they do come with voice over, how would one go about turning it
on, on both the nano and touch, assuming the touch is still made.

Thanks

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OT: iPod accessibility

coffeekingms@hotmail.com
 

hi all

This is another off topic post, sorry about that. As I said about the
compute sticks my birthday is coming up, and if I can't find a good one
I can afford, I'll probably end up getting an iPod nano or cheap iPod
touch. I can't find whether these things come with, what's apple's
screen reader, voice over? And I'm not buying an audio player that
doesn't talk unless it's one that rockbox will run on, and that's few
and far between these days. Also, do the new iPods, either nano or
touch, come with bluetooth? I have several good bluetooth headsets and
the ability to use them without wires would be nice. Failing that, do
they at least come with headphone jacks? I seem to remember hearing
something about the new iPhones no longer having them, instead you need
some sort of lightning adaptor. I'm new to iPods of any kind, the only
one I've ever had is an old iPod video that ran rockbox, so bear with
me.. Is it possible to use them without the bloat of iTunes? Not that
I'm trying to start anything, but iTunes has just never impressed me.
I'd prefer to use a more light weight media player, like foobar 2000 or
maybe something open source if such a thing exists for windows. I can
use programs in linux to manage it, but I'd like to be able to use it in
both. If they do come with voice over, how would one go about turning it
on, on both the nano and touch, assuming the touch is still made.

Thanks

Kendell Clark



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locked Re: looking for a good compute stick

coffeekingms@hotmail.com
 

hi

My only question would be whether getting it with some form of linux or
no OS would be any cheaper? I have no objection to windows, obvious I
plan to run it along with my own linux distribution called sonar, but I
don't really want to be charged for the windows license when I already
have one. Are there off brands of the thing? I've come across a few, and
the only one that looks good other than the intel one which looks fine
is the acer chromebit, not chromebot. I don't know if chrome OS can be
duel booted and I wouldn't use the chrome OS part, I'd be buying it for
the hardware inside. As long as it can handle casual games, like the
windows 10 edition of killer instinct and emulated consoles like the
game cube and n64 it'll serve my needs nicely. Not that you have to
answer all of this or anything, the only reason I'm bringing it up is
because I can't really find a lot of info about them. Most of them say
simply intel hd graphics or nvidia graphics but don't go into detail
about the specific card, and I'd hate to buy one only to find out the
games lag or windows or linux doesn't work well on them. My one big
requirement is that they not have broadcom wireless or bluetooth chips
in them. I've had nothing but bad luck with broadcom, on both windows
and linux, and I just prefer to avoid them. This is not your job to
research everything, I can do my own research, just basically rambling
at this point lol.

Thanks

Kendell Clark

On 1/17/2017 8:52 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
Hello again, Here are corrected links... I hope.


Here is a link to computestick first generation with windows 10:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014N4CZE2/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B014N4CZE2&linkCode=as2&tag=inclusivean03-20&linkId=b216c581e63a0da38d2277aaa219e995


Here is a link to the current generation with windows 10:
http://amzn.to/2iD7TbV

These are both in your price range. Asside from them getting warm and
not
having a
n anolog audio jack, I'm pretty happy with the first generation. I
hacked it to ubuntoo using images and instructions I found online.
There's
an hdmi, one usb, and one SD on the first generation model. I haven't
looked closely at the second generation, but for the pricepoint, I would
definitely give it a glance.

I hope this helps,

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On January 13, 2017 1:46:09 PM "coffeekingms@..."
<coffeekingms@...> wrote:

hi all

My birthday is coming up next month and I'm stuck between an iPod
nano, or a compute stick. I'm not sure what they're actually supposed
to be called,but what I'm talking about is a miniature computer that
terminates in an HDMI port which connects to an HDTV or projector,
with enough storage, bluetooth, wi fi, and a micro sd card slot to use
as an every day laptop. I've looked around a little, but they're quite
expensive, about the cheapest I've run across that sounds like it
might be powerful enough to run both windows 10 and sonar linux well
is the acer chromebot, which is around 90 dollars. The thing about
chrome OS devices is that I don't know a thing about them. They're
linux underneath the google, but I don't know if they're as easy to
duel boot as a regular x86 or x64 pc is. Does anyone know of a good
device that would do this for at least a reasonable price? I'd say
around my absolute top would be $150, and for that it had better be
top of the line or mellisa will ... well she won't be happy. I don't
have many requirements, but I'd like it to be able to run windows 10
at least reasonably well, including some casual gaming like killer
instinct, the windows 10 version, and emulated systems like the
gamecube, wii and n64, and that it have a micro sd card slot, wi fi
and bluetooth. Three or four USB ports would be nice, but not
essential at all, I can just get a USB hub if I have to for extra
ports. A package deal where one comes with the device, a hub and maybe
a bluetooth keyboard would be nice, but I don't want to complicate
things, so not at all necessary, just convenient. I have a keyboard
already. It's a logitech, and it uses one of those wireless receivers.
I'll shut up now lol.

Thanks

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Re: Braille n' Speak Synthesizer

Tyler Spivey
 

It will be in one of two places.
%appdata%\nvda\synthDrivers
This is used for the older synth drivers that aren't in addon form.
Or
%appdata%\nvda\addons\addon name\synthDrivers
which is used for the addon. In there you should bind bns.py or something, so open that in notepad.
Somewhere in it should be the com port, maybe at the top. Change the number and save, then restart NVDA.

On 1/17/2017 3:50 PM, kelby carlson wrote:
Can you give some more detailed instructions? I'm not sure where that file would be.

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Date: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 6:47 pm
Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille n' Speak Synthesizer



Try changing the com port in the .py file.
On 1/17/2017 7:46 AM, kelby carlson wrote:
Is it possible to use this with NVDA? I used the ad-on but it gave me a hardware error. (I'm not planning on using it regularly, but it's sort of neat for nostalgia's sake.)



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Re: Braille n' Speak Synthesizer

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Can you give some more detailed instructions? I'm not sure where that file would be.

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Try changing the com port in the .py file.
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Re: Braille n' Speak Synthesizer

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Try changing the com port in the .py file.

On 1/17/2017 7:46 AM, kelby carlson wrote:
Is it possible to use this with NVDA? I used the ad-on but it gave me a hardware error. (I'm not planning on using it regularly, but it's sort of neat for nostalgia's sake.)


Re: Braille n' Speak Synthesizer

Arlene
 

I did not like that synth in the Braille and Speak.  I used it but did not like it’s voice. 

 

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Sent: January-17-17 11:55 AM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille n' Speak Synthesizer

 

Uh, The Braille 'n Speak is a hardware device. Definitely! definitely definitely not Sapi.

 

Chris.

 

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What is the system it uses? If its sapi it should just work but if its an
oddball one then it will need somebody to write a driver for nvda for it,
much like the pico one for the android voice.
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Subject: [nvda] Braille n' Speak Synthesizer


> Is it possible to use this with NVDA? I used the ad-on but it gave me a
> hardware error. (I'm not planning on using it regularly, but it's sort of
> neat for nostalgia's sake.)
>
>
>



Re: Accessible Word Processor

Ejaz Shah
 

I have the demo of JAWS 18 and Run HJ Pad is in Utilities - JAWS 18.


On 1/16/2017 12:44 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Gene,


I have a JAWS 16 home edition version.  It is not in that list of tools.  I don't know if the full version demo would have it.



On 1/16/2017 2:17 AM, Gene wrote:
It likely still is available.  You can run it whether you are running JAWS or not.  It is in the JAWS menu which you open in the all programs menu.  There is an item that says run HJ Pad.  I don't know how the abilities of H J Pad compare with JARTE.  But H J Pad is based on the old menu version of Wordpad.  At least it was.  It has a spell checker, which Word Pad doesn't.
 
Gene
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Subject: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor

Hi Group,


I started a new thread on this because I accidentally deleted the
original 'accessible word processor' thread.  In any case, I don't know
if this is still valid or not and it also depends on just what you want
to use your slimmed down and very accessible Word Processor software
for.  IN the old days, you used to get a small program with a spell
checker called HJ Pad when you installed a copy of JAWS (yes I know it's
one of our competitors.)  This little package was totally accessible,
had a spell checker and would save in text or RTF as I recall.  It used
to be available--even if you only had a demo of JAWS. I don't know
whether this is true any more, but 5 years ago, it was so.  I wonder if
anyone has tried installing the newest demos and seeing if they still
include HJ Pad and seeing if it still works after 40 minutes.




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Re: Braille n' Speak Synthesizer

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

Uh, The Braille 'n Speak is a hardware device. Definitely! definitely definitely not Sapi.
 
Chris.
 

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What is the system it uses? If its sapi it should just work but if its an
oddball one then it will need somebody to write a driver for nvda for it,
much like the pico one for the android voice.
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Subject: [nvda] Braille n' Speak Synthesizer


> Is it possible to use this with NVDA? I used the ad-on but it gave me a
> hardware error. (I'm not planning on using it regularly, but it's sort of
> neat for nostalgia's sake.)
>
>
>




Re: Command line text editors and NVDA

James AUSTIN
 

Hi Robert

My understanding is that the Windows Power Shell is an upgraded and much improved version of the command prompt that has existed in Windows for at least the past 20 years.

In fairness to the Power Shell, it does allow you to navigate the file system using Linux commands but does not allow you to use specific Linux tools as far as I know.

Hope this helps
Take care
James

On 17 Jan 2017, at 18:52, Robert Kingett <@blindjourno> wrote:

Could someone send me windows power shell? Is that a good command line utility?



Re: Command line text editors and NVDA

 

Could someone send me windows power shell? Is that a good command line utility?


Command line text editors and NVDA

James AUSTIN
 

Hello

I an new to NVDA, and am very impressed with its ability to read the command line. I am also new to the current iteration of Windows, having used Mac OS for the past 10 years.

I prefer to use plaintext files whenever possible, and also prefer using the newly-minted Bash command line running on the Windows Sub System for Linux when navigating the command line. I am aware of Windows Power Shell, but feel more comfortable using Linux and UNIX tools.

However, in order to keep my PC as streamlined as possible, I would like to know if there has been any development in NVDA's ability to work with VIM. A search turned up some Github discussions from 2015, and a short test with Vim earlier today was promising. But even after toggling 'Dynamic content' on and off, NVDA did not announce the position of the cursor as I moved through the document.

Do folks on here use command line editors? Or graphical editors such as Notepad++ or TEDNotepad? I have both installed already, so if these are advised, I will learn these.

Thanks and keep up the great work

James


Re: removing a forgotten password

Chris Mullins
 

Pascal
So you have a windows user log-in for which you have forgotten the password. Is there another user log-in available for you to access the machine and if so, does it have administrator privileges?

Regards
Chris

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Sent: 17 January 2017 13:56
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] removing a forgotten password

It is in windows itself.
Thanks
Blessings
Pascal
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 5:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] removing a forgotten password

Is the password in question in the laptop bios or is it in windows itself.
if its the former there is little you can do bar buy another mutherboard or another laptop.
If its in windows, if you have a password reset disk then you can probably reset the password.
if not, you could use your windows installation disk and reformat and reinstall windows.
If you can get a win7 pe or 10 talking pe, I think its on opopanax.net but I forget I think http://dl.opopanax.net/files should be it, then you should be able to get that backup your user files then reinstall windows.
On that note, I do wander if you make a password reset disk on another computer you can then use it on a windows computer you have lost the password.



On 17/01/2017 6:48 a.m., Pascal Lambert wrote:
Please, need your urgent help. I need to remove a forgotten password on a laptop I need to access.

It is an HP laptop using Win10.

Many thanks.

Blessings.

Pascal



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Gene
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 9:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor



Also, these sorts of attributes can be found by opening the menus, opening tools, then opening fonts from the tools submenu.

Select a fond in the list.

Then tab once. You will be in a list of attributes for the font, italics being one. I didn't tab further to see what else is in the dialog.



Gene

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You can set fonts. It is more or less the case that if the old Wordpad can do something, HJPad can do it. If you type a sentence and use control I to toggle between italics on and off, the text will be italicized where indicated. I see no reason to believe other such commands are absent. I haven't seen this stated anywhere, but just comparing the old Wordpad to HJPad, even the name, indicates that it was built on the old WordPad. It was intended for use with JAWS basic training material. It may be that the basic training material has changed to the point where HJPad isn't as useful with it as before.



Those who are curious will find, in the HJPad menus under tools, a submenu named sample dialogs. It is interesting to play around with the sample dialogs. Some of them would still make good teaching tools and references.



Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor



HJPad does appear to have been removed as an explicitly supported
Utility in Jaws but I actually found it buried away in a strange
location even with Jaws 18.

Quite why it would be hidden in this location I do not know.

It does have a spell checker but little else really. As far as I can
tell you can edit the font but cannot set any font attributes like
bold, italic, or underline.


I always saw it as really a possible notepad replacement rather than a
word processor.

Despite being buried away it does still work.


Anyway I found it on my system under the follwoing very odd path


C:\Windows\Installer\$PatchCache$\Managed\38E784264F70E08468F74BA4CC2F
4C2E\18.0.1835\HJPAD.EXE



David Griffith

David Griffith
On 16/01/2017 10:10, Robert Kingett wrote:
I have not seen any H J Pad, but OpenOffice is the most accessible
word processor besides Microsoft word. There is Jarte, of course, but
I do not count that because you have to pay to get all of the features.








Re: removing a forgotten password

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Thats the one I remembr, lets hope he can do it.
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For BIOS you can reset the BIOS/UEFI to clear the password (manual for your MotherBoard should have guidance) but then may have some OS reconfiguration to do.

For a forgotten Windows passphrase the Ulitmate Boot CD provides utility in "Parted Magic" linux environment --or a command line Programs -> Password Tools and use the "NTPWEdit" utility.

In effect either will open the Security Account Manager (SAM) values in the Windows registry, and remove the hash value of the password effectively clearing it and allowing a no password login to the account on reboot into Windows. Some references below, but Google it for more guidance.

And honestly for either you may need sighted assistance.

Good luck.

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UBCD
http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/download.html

Parted
http://www.top-password.com/blog/reset-forgotten-windows-password-with-ultimate-boot-cd/

With NTPWEdit
http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/reset-your-forgotten-password-the-easy-way-using-the-ultimate-boot-cd-for-windows/


Re: Braille n' Speak Synthesizer

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What is the system it uses? If its sapi it should just work but if its an oddball one then it will need somebody to write a driver for nvda for it, much like the pico one for the android voice.
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Subject: [nvda] Braille n' Speak Synthesizer


Is it possible to use this with NVDA? I used the ad-on but it gave me a hardware error. (I'm not planning on using it regularly, but it's sort of neat for nostalgia's sake.)


Re: removing a forgotten password

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There are hack tools for some bios passwords, but I understand its not trivial to actually get it to work.
I bet the folk who rip off peoples laptops have a way to do it!

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Is the password in question in the laptop bios or is it in windows itself.
if its the former there is little you can do bar buy another mutherboard or another laptop.
If its in windows, if you have a password reset disk then you can probably reset the password.
if not, you could use your windows installation disk and reformat and reinstall windows.
If you can get a win7 pe or 10 talking pe, I think its on opopanax.net but I forget I think http://dl.opopanax.net/files should be it, then you should be able to get that backup your user files then reinstall windows.
On that note, I do wander if you make a password reset disk on another computer you can then use it on a windows computer you have lost the password.



On 17/01/2017 6:48 a.m., Pascal Lambert wrote:
Please, need your urgent help. I need to remove a forgotten password on a laptop I need to access.

It is an HP laptop using Win10.

Many thanks.

Blessings.

Pascal



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 9:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor



Also, these sorts of attributes can be found by opening the menus, opening tools, then opening fonts from the tools submenu.

Select a fond in the list.

Then tab once. You will be in a list of attributes for the font, italics being one. I didn't tab further to see what else is in the dialog.



Gene

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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor



You can set fonts. It is more or less the case that if the old Wordpad can do something, HJPad can do it. If you type a sentence and use control I to toggle between italics on and off, the text will be italicized where indicated. I see no reason to believe other such commands are absent. I haven't seen this stated anywhere, but just comparing the old Wordpad to HJPad, even the name, indicates that it was built on the old WordPad. It was intended for use with JAWS basic training material. It may be that the basic training material has changed to the point where HJPad isn't as useful with it as before.



Those who are curious will find, in the HJPad menus under tools, a submenu named sample dialogs. It is interesting to play around with the sample dialogs. Some of them would still make good teaching tools and references.



Gene

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From: David Griffith <mailto:daj.griffith@...>

Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 7:37 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor



HJPad does appear to have been removed as an explicitly supported
Utility in Jaws but I actually found it buried away in a strange
location even with Jaws 18.

Quite why it would be hidden in this location I do not know.

It does have a spell checker but little else really. As far as I can
tell you can edit the font but cannot set any font attributes like bold,
italic, or underline.


I always saw it as really a possible notepad replacement rather than a
word processor.

Despite being buried away it does still work.


Anyway I found it on my system under the follwoing very odd path


C:\Windows\Installer\$PatchCache$\Managed\38E784264F70E08468F74BA4CC2F4C2E\18.0.1835\HJPAD.EXE



David Griffith

David Griffith
On 16/01/2017 10:10, Robert Kingett wrote:
I have not seen any H J Pad, but OpenOffice is the most accessible
word processor besides Microsoft word. There is Jarte, of course, but
I do not count that because you have to pay to get all of the features.








Re: removing a forgotten password

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Not sure you can do this without some kind of hack tool.
I seem to recall that if you reinstall windows you can do it but that is not what you want I'd assume. If it were easy to do it there would be no point in having a passwordto start with.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Pascal Lambert" <rambeau68@...>
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Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 5:48 PM
Subject: [nvda] removing a forgotten password


Please, need your urgent help. I need to remove a forgotten password on a laptop I need to access.

It is an HP laptop using Win10.

Many thanks.

Blessings.

Pascal



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 9:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor



Also, these sorts of attributes can be found by opening the menus, opening tools, then opening fonts from the tools submenu.

Select a fond in the list.

Then tab once. You will be in a list of attributes for the font, italics being one. I didn't tab further to see what else is in the dialog.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>

Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 7:55 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor



You can set fonts. It is more or less the case that if the old Wordpad can do something, HJPad can do it. If you type a sentence and use control I to toggle between italics on and off, the text will be italicized where indicated. I see no reason to believe other such commands are absent. I haven't seen this stated anywhere, but just comparing the old Wordpad to HJPad, even the name, indicates that it was built on the old WordPad. It was intended for use with JAWS basic training material. It may be that the basic training material has changed to the point where HJPad isn't as useful with it as before.



Those who are curious will find, in the HJPad menus under tools, a submenu named sample dialogs. It is interesting to play around with the sample dialogs. Some of them would still make good teaching tools and references.



Gene

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From: David Griffith <mailto:daj.griffith@...>

Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 7:37 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor



HJPad does appear to have been removed as an explicitly supported
Utility in Jaws but I actually found it buried away in a strange
location even with Jaws 18.

Quite why it would be hidden in this location I do not know.

It does have a spell checker but little else really. As far as I can
tell you can edit the font but cannot set any font attributes like bold,
italic, or underline.


I always saw it as really a possible notepad replacement rather than a
word processor.

Despite being buried away it does still work.


Anyway I found it on my system under the follwoing very odd path


C:\Windows\Installer\$PatchCache$\Managed\38E784264F70E08468F74BA4CC2F4C2E\18.0.1835\HJPAD.EXE



David Griffith

David Griffith
On 16/01/2017 10:10, Robert Kingett wrote:
I have not seen any H J Pad, but OpenOffice is the most accessible
word processor besides Microsoft word. There is Jarte, of course, but
I do not count that because you have to pay to get all of the features.



Re: accessible word processors with NVDA

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I have a feeling though that if you save as word 97, it always opens in Jarte.
Jarte I think is based on the xp version of Wordpad, so it seems to be unaware of some of the ways files are saved hence the gibberish.


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA


Hi Sharni,

When you reply to a list message, it automatically goes to the list, but if
you reply all, you can grab the address of the sender, or read the header
information of the message I sent (depending on how you read your mail it
will often include it) but my address is quentin@... (Please
note, I'm just saying that for information, not attacking you for not
finding it - it's actually not obvious unless you know where to look!)


I just tried writing the line I mentioned earlier "the quick brown fox"
with brown italicised, in word 2016, saving it as doc and rtf and opening
in both Jarte and WordPad. Neither wanted to open the doc file at all
(Wordpad opened it all mangled - no actual text, and Jarte wanted that
converter I linked to but never downloaded myself). Opening the RTF file,
both Jarte and WordPad read it fine, either navigating by word / character,
or using say all or read line.

Definitely what I would say is that if you are constantly opening files
that were written in Microsoft Office, and the formatting etc is very
important, then you really are best off biting the bullet and buying Office
- no other program is guaranteed to open it properly. If you write and
save your own documents, then Jarte looks pretty good - as far as I notice,
the issues we've been talking about have all been from importing a document
from Word, is that correct? Writing text in Jarte and then saving and
reopening works fine?

Having said all that, I've been in situations at various times where I
didn't have access to Word but needed to open a Word document and programs
like Jarte and WordPad can do it almost always well enough to read and
likely even edit. It just depends on what you are doing, where you are
getting your files and what you need to do with them.

Regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 9:08 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward <
sharni-lee.ward@...> wrote:

Hi,


I've just made this file in Jarte itself, saved in .rtf. It behaves as I
described below. Since it's a test file specifically created to demonstrate
my issue, I have no problems sending it to the list at large. It's
perfectly safe, guys!

On 16/01/2017 8:58 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

Quentin,


I've noticed the opposite. I had Microsoft Word Starter 2010 on my
original computer when I first got it, and then Microsoft Office 2013 when
Mum bought me a license for one computer. NVDA always reads italics and
bold as expected, only on the words that formatting is affecting. In Word
Pad, saved into rtf for the purposes of reading and working with it in
JARTE, the same files the emphasis is clearly announced in have it blurred.
Single italicised words in the middle of lines are passed over, while words
at the beginning of the line dictate whether the whole line will be treated
as plain, italic or bold. When scrolling over it character by character, it
doesn't do this, but when I use say-all, it behaves as I described. It may
be something to do with Office messing things up even when the file's saved
as rtf, but I remember noticing this a long time ago when I thought writing
in word pad was my only means of writing. That resulted in me posting a
chapter of a fanfiction with a whole chunk of text in italics that I never
meant to be so.


I'd send a file, but your email doesn't seem to be tied to this message,
only the email address of the list, and all the relevant files are of
stories or parts of stories I have written. I'm quite protective of rough
drafts of things...

On 16/01/2017 4:50 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Sharni,

No I'm not using anything special. If you are re-using the same Word file
over and over or the same template, it's possible there's something hidden
in it that could be causing problems. To be honest, I've more seen that in
Office itself and opening a file in something other than office is more
likely to fix it, but you never know. If you have a file that's doing it,
that you are happy to send me offline, I can have a look and see if it
works on my computer.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 4:17 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward <
sharni-lee.ward@...> wrote:

Quentin, do you have any addons or something that might have changed how
NVDA reads Word Pad/Jarte files? I'd be super grateful. I'd have no problem
using Jarte if I could read my stories with the proper emphasis included.

On 16/01/2017 10:24 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi Sharni,

Re using Jarte and the Office compatibility pack, try this link from
Microsoft directly: https://www.microsoft.com/en-au/download/details.
aspx?id=3

The en-au in the middle of that address is because I'm in Australia, feel
free to change it to en-us or en-uk etc as needed, I'm not sure it makes a
difference for this.

Regarding wordpad not properly identifying text attributes like Italic,
what version of Windows do you have again? I've tried in the regular
stable build of Windows 10 and in the latest fast insider build (15007) and
NVDA (2016.4) identifies italic etc text in the middle of a line
correctly. EG if I type:

The quick brown fox

and italicise the word "brown", NVDA reads:

The quick italic brown no italic fox.

It does this in Wordpad, Word 2016, Jarte and LibreOffice.

Note that you need to have NVDA's document formatting set to report text
attributes (for italic). Press NVDA+control+d to get to that screen. If
you don't have that set, it won't identify the text as italic regardless of
where it is.

The only place I've seen behaviour similar to what you mentioned (if the
start of a line is italic thinking the whole line is, and not seeing it at
all if it's in the middle of a line), is if part of a cell has different
formatting in Excel.

Kind regards

Quentin.



On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Sharni-Lee Ward <
sharni-lee.ward@...> wrote:

Thanks! As I said last night, when I tried to follow the link from the
page it said "We are sorry, but the page could not be found" and gave me a
ton of possible search options.


Really though, it doesn't matter what file format the document is when
it comes to displaying. If I want to work in the file with Jarte, I have to
save in rtf or .doc anyways. I just save a new copy in wordpad to the rtf
format and then it reads it fine. I do miss announced page numbers and NVDA
being nice about italics though. What I mean is, in Word Pad, if a word is
italicised in the middle of a line, NVDA doesn't report it, and if it's at
the beginning of a line, NVDA acts like the whole line is italicised even
though it isn't. Same with bold, underline, and so on. Is there an addon
that corrects this behaviour? Or will there be an improvement in NVDA in
that regard? I know I'd be grateful for it. Then Jarte would be just
that bit less irritating.

On 16/01/2017 8:48 AM, Gene wrote:

You can download the installation file to allow you to work with docx
files here:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25812011/FileFormatConve
rters.exe?dl=1

Gene
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*From:* Noah Carver via Groups.Io <carvernoah309=yahoo.com@groups.io>
*Sent:* Sunday, January 15, 2017 3:08 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA

if you could please send the link to your dropbox, that would be very
much appreciated. I also am considering using chart, but don't really want
to pay the money for it partially because I don't have the money for it.

Noah Carver

On Jan 15, 2017, at 15:16, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:

I would like to caution users that use an microsoft product, ie office
2013 and up certainly it does this on 2016.
Aparently the older software has some incompatibility when upgrading
the os from one version to another.
It tends to default extentions back to open xml viewer which itself is
not helpfull.
Worse excell refuses to be able to process file commands and can not
start until you repair office.
For the systems that had filter pack aand the compatibility pack
installed, I solved this by removing both these packs then repairing office
as on restart no files opened at all.
Ever since then updates have worked as expected.
If you are on a shared system with office.
Every time you update the os especially when its a security update not
a performance update, including newer and older office updates, you will
need to repair office with the quick repair before using it again.
I am not sure why that is but thats a way to get round it.
If you often need a share then thats fine but if you don't it is
easier to kill the extra converter packs.
I should also want to add that I have old word xp converters for some
older files that came from an xp machine that perminantly exist on my
dropbox cloud, they are so small just like xp sound recorder its unlikely I
will ever kill them so they stay till I die I guess.
I have no inttention of killing them.
The only thing you do need is sevenzip to decompress them but if
someone wants to make an installer email me and I'll send the link for
copywrite reasons jarte can't store those on its site but.


On 16/01/2017 12:20 a.m., Gene wrote:
It doesn't need the purchased version. You can install the
Microsoft pack that gives Microsoft Word and some other programs the
ability to read docx files. if you try to open a Docx file, a dialog comes
up telling you that. It may provide a link in the dialog to the JARTE web
page where the subject is discussed further.
We don't know how Word is being useed so we don't know if JARTE has
all the features desired but you can read about it and install and look at
the program to see if it does.

Gene


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Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 4:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA


The thing about Jarte is that to open docx files it needs the
purchased
version as far as I know. OOpen and Libra Office seem to be able to
load in
docx files, but as has been discussed here of late, the authors need
to do
some more work to allow screenreaders to work on all parts of them
like read
all etc.

Of course it might be possible to find an old copy of an older
version of
Office pro corporate which I did and it still worked aand accepted
the key.
Legal? Well, its a grey area isn't it. if the original buyer is
giving it
away, then who cares.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharni-Lee Ward" <sharni-lee.ward@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 5:18 AM
Subject: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA


Hi,


My computer's keyboard's been acting up, and I have my Mum's as a
backup, but it doesn't have Microsoft Office on it, and I was
wondering
if there was a decent free word processor out there, accessible with
NVDA, that I could install on that computer instead. It would be
nice if
it could read and edit .docx files, but I'm aware I can't have
everything.


The most used features in Word for me are:

The Spellchecker, including a whole dictionary of words I've added so
Pokémon names, anime characters' names and names I just made up don't
get flagged;

The word-counter;

Page-breaks;

Headings (mostly for aesthetic reasons).

If there's something out there that does all these things, and is
free
and accessible, I'll be pretty happy with it.












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Training Material Developer
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Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306
www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess






--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306
www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess


Re: removing a forgotten password

V Stuart Foote
 

For BIOS you can reset the BIOS/UEFI to clear the password (manual for your MotherBoard should have guidance) but then may have some OS reconfiguration to do.

For a forgotten Windows passphrase the Ulitmate Boot CD provides utility in "Parted Magic" linux environment --or a command line Programs -> Password Tools and use the "NTPWEdit" utility.

In effect either will open the Security Account Manager (SAM) values in the Windows registry, and remove the hash value of the password effectively clearing it and allowing a no password login to the account on reboot into Windows. Some references below, but Google it for more guidance.

And honestly for either you may need sighted assistance.

Good luck.

=-refs-=

UBCD
http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/download.html

Parted
http://www.top-password.com/blog/reset-forgotten-windows-password-with-ultimate-boot-cd/

With NTPWEdit
http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/reset-your-forgotten-password-the-easy-way-using-the-ultimate-boot-cd-for-windows/