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Re: accessible email clients with NVDA

 

I never tried Eudora but I will give it a shot. As of right now I am trying out OE Classic with the JAWS scripts and comparing the new OE classic with the 2.5 one to see if they really are working with accessibility or if they were just giving me lip service. So far, no NVDA improvements. without the JAWS scripts, JAWS is in the same boat as NVDA. I also tried opra mail and that is not accessible either.


Re: accessible email clients with NVDA

john s
 

I have used NVDA a little bit with Eudora and  it appears to work well
.


earlier, Brian Vogel, wrote:

On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 11:10 am, The Wolf wrote:
Becky! Internet Mail Version 2

And?   That's another e-mail client entirely.  All I was trying to do was to clarify that "Klause" mail does not exist while "Claws" mail does.  As has already been mentioned, Claws Mail is not accessible with NVDA.

Also, Becky! Internet Mail Version 2.7.3 is not free.  It comes with a 30 day trial after which you must by a license for $40, which while not exorbitant is more than many might wish to spend when there are a number of very, very good no-cost e-mail clients out there.
--
Brian

    If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

John


Re: accessible email clients with NVDA

 

On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 11:10 am, The Wolf wrote:
Becky! Internet Mail Version 2

And?   That's another e-mail client entirely.  All I was trying to do was to clarify that "Klause" mail does not exist while "Claws" mail does.  As has already been mentioned, Claws Mail is not accessible with NVDA.

Also, Becky! Internet Mail Version 2.7.3 is not free.  It comes with a 30 day trial after which you must by a license for $40, which while not exorbitant is more than many might wish to spend when there are a number of very, very good no-cost e-mail clients out there.
--
Brian

    If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell



Re: Two Excel Questions

Chris Mullins
 

Hi Greg

  1. There is no specific NVDA command I am aware of but the Excel command to select a column is Ctrl+spacebar from anywhere in the target column and to select an entire row it’s shift+spacebar, again from anywhere in the row.
  2. There is probably a way to see all the sheet names but I just use Ctrl+pageup/down to read them, so I don’t know the specific command.

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Greg Rhodes
Sent: 22 January 2017 17:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Two Excel Questions

 

Question 1: If a sighted user wants to format all the cells in column C, he would click on the letter C at the top of the column to highlight all the cells in that column. How do you do that with NVDA?

Question 2: What is the NVDA command to get to the worksheet listing at the bottom of the page? Once you get there, I know that you use the Control/Page Up or Down to move between worksheets you have created.

Thanks.


Re: Some questions about eSpeak-ng and MBrola

Mohammadreza Rashad
 

Hi dear Chris,
About MD files: They are text files. you can open them with Notepad++
and read them.
Best wishes,
Mohammadreza

۱۳۹۵-۱۱-۰۳ ۱۷:۱۷ +۰۳:۳۰ گرینویچ, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...>:

hi.
i tried also the method that you mentioned and could not use embrola
voice to try it.
about espeak ng, i downloaded the msi version and could not use it!
i dont know its usage and how to use it!
i installed it and says not valid windows 32!
but i am sure that i downloaded the x86 version.

On 1/22/17, Christo de Klerk <christodeklerk@...> wrote:
Hello all

I have been using MBrola with the old eSpeak for many years and would
like to get it going under eSpeak-ng now I am using NVDA as my screen
reader. I have looked at the eSpeak-ng documentation and I think I have
copied all the necessary MBrola files into their correct places, but I
can't get MBrola activated under NVDA. I select espeak-ng as my
synthesiser, then I go to Voice preferences and I see mb-en1 listed
there, in the list of voices, but it is the usual eSpeak-ng en voice
that keeps talking. How do I get mb-en1 to talk?

Then another question. MBrola tools has this confirmation dialog that
keeps popping up every first time it is run after a reboot. Has anyone
found a way to get that out of the way? It causes havoc, as it pops up
before there is any speech.

I see there is now a Windows installation of eSpeak-ng. Would it upset
the old installation of eSpeak at all if one were to install eSpeak-ng?
I don't want to break anything that ain't broke.

I see the eSpeak-ng documentation is in a .md format. What does one use
to read .md files?

Sorry for all the questions, but I am new to espeak-ng and would like to
get a grip on it. I have worked with the old eSpeak and have done
dictionary development for many years.

Kind regards

Christo





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holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
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Re: accessible email clients with NVDA

 

                     Becky! Internet Mail Version 2
                                                           RimArts Inc.


On 1/22/2017 12:06 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

I have the feeling that what's being referred to is Claws Mail:  http://www.claws-mail.org/ 
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Brian

    If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell




Re: accessible email clients with NVDA

 

I have the feeling that what's being referred to is Claws Mail:  http://www.claws-mail.org/ 
--
Brian

    If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell



Re: accessible email clients with NVDA

 

has any one tried

Becky! Ver.2?

On 1/22/2017 11:19 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I haven't heard of Klause mail.



-----Original Message----- From: Robert Kingett
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 8:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible email clients with NVDA

If anyone is thinking about trying klause mail, yes, it has keyboard
commands, but is not accessible with NVDA.





Re: accessible email clients with NVDA

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I haven't heard of Klause mail.

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Kingett
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 8:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible email clients with NVDA

If anyone is thinking about trying klause mail, yes, it has keyboard
commands, but is not accessible with NVDA.


Re: Accessible IRC clients

Bill Dengler
 

On Jan 22, 2017, at 1:20 PM, Sukil Etxenike via Groups.Io <sukiletxe@...> wrote:

Hi,

Does anyone know of an IRC client that is accessible with NVDA and notifies the user of incoming messages on all channels? I know that Thunderbird doesn't do that when the window is focused, and that Instantbird does it but is somewhat cluttered and really old. Also, chatzilla seems to do a good job, but sound doesn't seem to work.

Any corrections / alternatives?

Thanks!

Sukil








Two Excel Questions

Greg Rhodes <gkrhodes@...>
 

Question 1: If a sighted user wants to format all the cells in column C, he would click on the letter C at the top of the column to highlight all the cells in that column. How do you do that with NVDA?
Question 2: What is the NVDA command to get to the worksheet listing at the bottom of the page? Once you get there, I know that you use the Control/Page Up or Down to move between worksheets you have created.
Thanks.


table problems with microsoft word

enes sarıbaş
 

hi,

I was working on a file where everything was as a table. Nvda was lagging significantly and I wrote my information under the various headings. However, my sighted friends who reviewed my file said the table slipped badly and that all the writing had slipped outside of the page. They hardly could read my file. However, I have no problem reading the file except lag. How is this possible? How can I fix this document and prevent this from happening in the future.


Re: accessible email clients with NVDA

 

If anyone is thinking about trying klause mail, yes, it has keyboard commands, but is not accessible with NVDA.


Re: accessible email clients with NVDA

 

On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 12:39 am, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
I just don't like Live mail, its too messy and keeps on losing its mail.

While your first assertion is unquestionably correct for you, your second one is just your opinion and the third one has never - I repeat - never - happened in my experience.  I've had a lot of clients who use WLM and have it running alongside Outlook 2010, Thunderbird, and Opera Mail, the last of which is an accessibility nightmare not to mention barely customizable, much like the Windows 10 mail app.
--
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    If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell



Re: Some questions about eSpeak-ng and MBrola

 

hi.
i tried also the method that you mentioned and could not use embrola
voice to try it.
about espeak ng, i downloaded the msi version and could not use it!
i dont know its usage and how to use it!
i installed it and says not valid windows 32!
but i am sure that i downloaded the x86 version.

On 1/22/17, Christo de Klerk <christodeklerk@...> wrote:
Hello all

I have been using MBrola with the old eSpeak for many years and would
like to get it going under eSpeak-ng now I am using NVDA as my screen
reader. I have looked at the eSpeak-ng documentation and I think I have
copied all the necessary MBrola files into their correct places, but I
can't get MBrola activated under NVDA. I select espeak-ng as my
synthesiser, then I go to Voice preferences and I see mb-en1 listed
there, in the list of voices, but it is the usual eSpeak-ng en voice
that keeps talking. How do I get mb-en1 to talk?

Then another question. MBrola tools has this confirmation dialog that
keeps popping up every first time it is run after a reboot. Has anyone
found a way to get that out of the way? It causes havoc, as it pops up
before there is any speech.

I see there is now a Windows installation of eSpeak-ng. Would it upset
the old installation of eSpeak at all if one were to install eSpeak-ng?
I don't want to break anything that ain't broke.

I see the eSpeak-ng documentation is in a .md format. What does one use
to read .md files?

Sorry for all the questions, but I am new to espeak-ng and would like to
get a grip on it. I have worked with the old eSpeak and have done
dictionary development for many years.

Kind regards

Christo




--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: espeak

Wagner Soares Da Silva
 

It also did not work here on a W7 Ultimate 32 BIT.
I've reported the problem to Reece, developer of Espeak NG.
Who wants to contribute with Espeak NG, just read the note below for
Access the Espeak NG list.

*

Dear ESpeak-NG users, developers, and other beneficiaries,
At the outset, let me sincerely thank Reece for appointing me as a
moderator of this Groups.io based next generation mailing list for
official discussion regarding the ESpeak-NG speech synthesizer. Also,
I would like to express my gratitude towards everyone who joint the
e-mail list via invites sent out on different forums, direct invites,
word-of-mail (not mouth :D) and also for those who have begun
contributing by spreading the word about this project and its
community, and by participating in it.
Following are some fundamental statistics that highlight the current
status of this group:
Member Count: 11
Group Owner: Reece H. Dunn
Group Moderator: Bhavya Shah (Me)
Integrations: Github (https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng)

Also, following are integral e-mail addresses to perform various
activities on the group:
To Post: espeak-ng@groups.io
To Subscribe: espeak-ng+subscribe@groups.io
To Unsubscribe: espeak-ng+unsubscribe@groups.io
To Contact The Group Owner: espeak-ng+owner@groups.io

At the moment, we have no special hashtags in use (apart from Github),
no dedicated subgroups (due to lack of their requirement) and no Wiki
material (due to their inexistence). However, our vision for this
group must extend beyond not only encompassing this in ESpeak-NG's
next generation e-group, but also having a prolific and proactive
community of users and developers in constant communication and
interaction via this list. ESpeak-NG powers the speech synthesis of
two popular screen readers by default - NVDA for Windows and Orca for
Linux - which in turn fuel computer access for tens of thousands of
visually impaired individuals across the globe. Let us recognize the
significance of this open source project, and accordingly strive to
mobilize its users, developers and other beneficiaries as part of this
e-mail platform.
Please do spread the word about this mailing list and ask your fellow
ESpeak users to join the list by sending a blank mail to
espeak-ng+subscribe@groups.io And send a blank reply to the
confirmation prompt subsequently received.
In conclusion, I hope to dutifully serve as a moderator of this
mailing list in a just manner, and I shall try to the best of my
abilities to assist Reece in ensuring smooth functioning of this
e-group, in constant anticipation of your continued collaboration.

Best Regards,
Bhavya Shah

P.S. Due to Groups.io policies, the first post of every group member
will require approval from a group administrator. All messages from
that e-mail will be delivered directly thereafter.

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Best Regards
Bhavya Shah

Avid Enthusiast and User of the Free NVDA Screen Reader (www.nvaccess.org)

Contacting Me
E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@...
Follow me on Twitter @BhavyaShah125 or www.twitter.com/BhavyaShah125
Mobile Number: +91 7506221750


Accessible IRC clients

Sukil Etxenike <sukiletxe@...>
 

Hi,

Does anyone know of an IRC client that is accessible with NVDA and notifies the user of incoming messages on all channels? I know that Thunderbird doesn't do that when the window is focused, and that Instantbird does it but is somewhat cluttered and really old. Also, chatzilla seems to do a good job, but sound doesn't seem to work.

Any corrections / alternatives?

Thanks!

Sukil


Re: accessible email clients with NVDA

 

Because JAWS is the only screen reader that will work with it, silly. NVDA can't get past the adding mail accounts. One can make it work by switching from JAWS TO NVDA, but why bother? They do not care aout accessibility issues, in my opinion.


On 1/22/2017 2:44 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
What has this to do with nvda?
As far as I know  that software you mention is mega messy access wise. I tried it some time ago and the folk making it seemed not to be interested in its issues with screenreaders.
Brian

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in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Kingett" <kingettr@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible email clients with NVDA


I managed to add my email account with JAWS and OE classic and noticed that OE classic does not have automatic IMAP support. I disabled POP on my gmail anyway, but OE classic, the most recent one, kept trying to connect to the POP server, so, basically, if anyone is using OE classic and the jaws scripts for it you may need to put IMAP information in later unless I am a ditsy and I am missing something obvious. :)









Some questions about eSpeak-ng and MBrola

Christo de Klerk
 

Hello all

I have been using MBrola with the old eSpeak for many years and would like to get it going under eSpeak-ng now I am using NVDA as my screen reader. I have looked at the eSpeak-ng documentation and I think I have copied all the necessary MBrola files into their correct places, but I can't get MBrola activated under NVDA. I select espeak-ng as my synthesiser, then I go to Voice preferences and I see mb-en1 listed there, in the list of voices, but it is the usual eSpeak-ng en voice that keeps talking. How do I get mb-en1 to talk?

Then another question. MBrola tools has this confirmation dialog that keeps popping up every first time it is run after a reboot. Has anyone found a way to get that out of the way? It causes havoc, as it pops up before there is any speech.

I see there is now a Windows installation of eSpeak-ng. Would it upset the old installation of eSpeak at all if one were to install eSpeak-ng? I don't want to break anything that ain't broke.

I see the eSpeak-ng documentation is in a .md format. What does one use to read .md files?

Sorry for all the questions, but I am new to espeak-ng and would like to get a grip on it. I have worked with the old eSpeak and have done dictionary development for many years.

Kind regards

Christo


Re: outlook express question

Gene
 

I haven't used JAWS or Outlook express for years.  Perhaps JAWS does announce this and I don't recall.  As you say, NVDA doesn't and NVDA isn't user definable in ways that you can change this behavior.  It would require something like a command in a script to cause this behavior.
 
Gene
----- original Message -----

From: Dennis L
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook express question

Jaws does I wonder if that is a function of the scripts.  It did work when I tried the command a second time.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 6:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook express question

 

I've never seen Outlook Express announce the number of unread messages with any screen-reader just by moving from folder to folder.  I don't know if the status line tells you the information when you stop at a folder or if you need to move to the message list.  that means that I don't know if a screen-reader could be made to announce the information automatically when you move from one folder to the next.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Dennis L

Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 12:27 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook express question

 

In other words if I’m on the folder for example

Nvda 2 unread or something like that.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 1:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook express question

 

I've never seen such information spoken when using Outlook Express without reading the status line. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Dennis L

Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 11:09 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook express question

 

You have to be in the folder to get the info is there any way to get the info without being in the folder??

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 12:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook express question

 

Use read status line.  You don't have to be in the folders list.  You can be in the message list as I recall.  I haven't used Outlook Express for many years but as I recall, you will hear how many messages are in the list and how many are read and unread.  But if my memory is not quite correct, you will still hear what you want, that is the number of unread messages.  Read status line in NVDA is NVDA key end.  That is for the desktop layout.  I don't know the laptop layout command.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Dennis L

Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 10:52 PM

Subject: [nvda] outlook express question

 

Hi, when using NVDA if you tab to your folders NVDA doesn’t say NVDA 5 unread messages is there any way to get it to automatically speak this info??