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NVDA AND SPEACH PLAYER IN E-SPEAK LAG

Heaven Botma <heaven@...>
 

Hi Group


Ever since I upgraded to NVDA 2016.4 I have been encountering a rather frustrating problem.

 

When I switch on my laptop and go into MS Word (I use Office 2010) I experience a problem where NVDA lags terribly as I type.  For instance, I tyoe a word and by the time I get to the last letter, NVDA is still spelling the first few letters.  What makes things worse, is that when I set it that it reads typed words, NVDA's lag increases, so I have already typed three words and NVDA is still stuck on the first word. 

 

I also experience a problem where I am busy with certain basic tasks, like reading documents with a lot of graphics, or copying files, when NVDA just switches off.  Then I have to restart NVDA to continue with whatever I am doing.


I have reverted to the default configuration, reconfigured NVDA and even uninstalled NVDA all to no effect.

 

I have an Asus laptop, running the newest Windows 10, Office 2010 and NVDA 2016.4. I use Speech Player in E-Speak as my default synthesiser.

 

Is anyone else experiencing this problem?  Could you please give me advice on how to fix this problem? 

 

Kind regards

Heaven Botma

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Re: dictation bridge help

derek riemer
 

Scrap that, I didn't read this before posting.S

On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 11:57 AM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:
Hello I have dragon 13 installed and working

when I try to import the commands it says that it can't find dragon on my system]

is there a way to fix this?

thanks

Hank








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Re: dictation bridge help

Tyler Spivey
 

I thought ?dl would work. Worth a try.

On 1/22/2017 6:02 PM, Gene wrote:
Those using speech with little or no punctuation announced should look
at the syntax character by character so as not to take a chance of
missing any of it.

Shouldn't it be ?dl=1? That syntax forces Drop Box to download a file
instead of trying to run it, open it, or perhaps not present a download
link on the page. I now add ?dl=1 to any link for Drop Box if it isn't
already there. If there is a ?dl=0, I change the 0 to a 1.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Tyler Spivey <mailto:tspivey@pcdesk.net>
*Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 7:56 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] dictation bridge help

Add ?dl to the end of it.
On 1/22/2017 5:45 PM, The Wolf wrote:
Hello it is not letting me download the xml file


On 1/22/2017 6:37 PM, Pranav Lal wrote:
Hi Hank and Joseph

Joseph, many thanks for chiming in and reporting issues.

Hank, you can manually import commands via the Dragon command browser.
Please see the release notes.
Grab the commands XML file from my dropbox at
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3688386/dictationBridgeCommands.xml

Pranav
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] dictation bridge help

Hi,
Not all features are there, including controlling NVDA via speech
(that's for Dragon for now).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 1:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] dictation bridge help

can you do the same things with wsr that you can do with dragon?


On 1/21/2017 1:57 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Nothing else comes to my mind tat the moment as I don't use Dragon to
test this add-on (I use WSR).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 12:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] dictation bridge help

interesting

because I just installed it to the default directory

it should be seeing it.
any ideas on what t try next?
On 1/21/2017 1:53 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Yep, this suggests Dragon might have been installed somewhere other
than paths assumed by the add-on.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 12:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] dictation bridge help

not sure if this is what you were after

>>> os.environ["programfiles"]
'C:\\Program Files (x86)'
>>> os.environ["programw6432"]
'C:\\Program Files'

On 1/21/2017 1:31 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
To copy console output, after you type commands, press F6, then
copy what you see in the edit field.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 12:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] dictation bridge help

how do I copy the contents of the consel?


On 1/21/2017 12:07 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
One more: Can you do the following for me:
1. Open NVDA Python Console (Control+NVDA+Z).
2. Type the following as exactly as shown (press ENTER after each
line):
os.environ["programfiles"]
os.environ["programw6432"]
Reply to me with whatever you get from these commands. Perhaps
Dragon was installed somewhere other than default program files path.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 10:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] dictation bridge help

Hello I am using windows10 64 bit


On 1/21/2017 11:58 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Which version of Windows and are you running a 32-bit Windows
version? Let us know so one of us can file an issue.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 10:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] dictation bridge help

Hello I have dragon 13 installed and working

when I try to import the commands it says that it can't find
dragon on my system]

is there a way to fix this?

thanks

Hank

























Re: dictation bridge help

Gene
 

Those using speech with little or no punctuation announced should look at the syntax character by character so as not to take a chance of missing any of it.
 
Shouldn't it be ?dl=1?  That syntax forces Drop Box to download a file instead of trying to run it, open it, or perhaps not present a download link on the page.  I now add ?dl=1 to any link for Drop Box if it isn't already there.  If there is a ?dl=0, I change the 0 to a 1.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] dictation bridge help

Add ?dl to the end of it.
On 1/22/2017 5:45 PM, The Wolf wrote:
> Hello it is not letting me download the xml file
>
>
> On 1/22/2017 6:37 PM, Pranav Lal wrote:
>> Hi Hank and Joseph
>>
>> Joseph, many thanks for chiming in and reporting issues.
>>
>> Hank, you can manually import commands via the Dragon command browser.
>> Please see the release notes.
>> Grab the commands XML file from my dropbox at
>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3688386/dictationBridgeCommands.xml
>>
>> Pranav
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Joseph Lee
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:37 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] dictation bridge help
>>
>> Hi,
>> Not all features are there, including controlling NVDA via speech
>> (that's for Dragon for now).
>> Cheers,
>> Joseph
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> The Wolf
>> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 1:01 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] dictation bridge help
>>
>> can you do the same things with wsr that you can do with dragon?
>>
>>
>> On 1/21/2017 1:57 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> Nothing else comes to my mind tat the moment as I don't use Dragon to
>>> test this add-on (I use WSR).
>>> Cheers,
>>> Joseph
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>> The Wolf
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 12:55 PM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] dictation bridge help
>>>
>>> interesting
>>>
>>> because I just installed it to the default directory
>>>
>>> it should be seeing it.
>>> any ideas on what t try next?
>>> On 1/21/2017 1:53 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> Yep, this suggests Dragon might have been installed somewhere other
>>>> than paths assumed by the add-on.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Joseph
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>>> The Wolf
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 12:41 PM
>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] dictation bridge help
>>>>
>>>> not sure if this is what you were after
>>>>
>>>>     >>> os.environ["programfiles"]
>>>> 'C:\\Program Files (x86)'
>>>>     >>> os.environ["programw6432"]
>>>> 'C:\\Program Files'
>>>>
>>>> On 1/21/2017 1:31 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> To copy console output, after you type commands, press F6, then
>>>>> copy what you see in the edit field.
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Joseph
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>>>> The Wolf
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 12:24 PM
>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] dictation bridge help
>>>>>
>>>>> how do I copy the contents of the consel?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/21/2017 12:07 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> One more: Can you do the following for me:
>>>>>> 1. Open NVDA Python Console (Control+NVDA+Z).
>>>>>> 2. Type the following as exactly as shown (press ENTER after each
>>>>>> line):
>>>>>> os.environ["programfiles"]
>>>>>> os.environ["programw6432"]
>>>>>> Reply to me with whatever you get from these commands. Perhaps
>>>>>> Dragon was installed somewhere other than default program files path.
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Joseph
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>>>>> The Wolf
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 10:59 AM
>>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] dictation bridge help
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello I am using windows10 64 bit
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/21/2017 11:58 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> Which version of Windows and are you running a 32-bit Windows
>>>>>>> version? Let us know so one of us can file an issue.
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Joseph
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
>>>>>>> Of The Wolf
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 10:58 AM
>>>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>>>>> Subject: [nvda] dictation bridge help
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello I have dragon 13 installed and working
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> when I try to import the commands it says that it can't find
>>>>>>> dragon on my system]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> is there a way to fix this?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hank
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>




Re: dictation bridge help

Tyler Spivey
 

Add ?dl to the end of it.

On 1/22/2017 5:45 PM, The Wolf wrote:
Hello it is not letting me download the xml file


On 1/22/2017 6:37 PM, Pranav Lal wrote:
Hi Hank and Joseph

Joseph, many thanks for chiming in and reporting issues.

Hank, you can manually import commands via the Dragon command browser.
Please see the release notes.
Grab the commands XML file from my dropbox at
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3688386/dictationBridgeCommands.xml

Pranav
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dictation bridge help

Hi,
Not all features are there, including controlling NVDA via speech
(that's for Dragon for now).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 1:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dictation bridge help

can you do the same things with wsr that you can do with dragon?


On 1/21/2017 1:57 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Nothing else comes to my mind tat the moment as I don't use Dragon to
test this add-on (I use WSR).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 12:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dictation bridge help

interesting

because I just installed it to the default directory

it should be seeing it.
any ideas on what t try next?
On 1/21/2017 1:53 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Yep, this suggests Dragon might have been installed somewhere other
than paths assumed by the add-on.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 12:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dictation bridge help

not sure if this is what you were after

>>> os.environ["programfiles"]
'C:\\Program Files (x86)'
>>> os.environ["programw6432"]
'C:\\Program Files'

On 1/21/2017 1:31 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
To copy console output, after you type commands, press F6, then
copy what you see in the edit field.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 12:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dictation bridge help

how do I copy the contents of the consel?


On 1/21/2017 12:07 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
One more: Can you do the following for me:
1. Open NVDA Python Console (Control+NVDA+Z).
2. Type the following as exactly as shown (press ENTER after each
line):
os.environ["programfiles"]
os.environ["programw6432"]
Reply to me with whatever you get from these commands. Perhaps
Dragon was installed somewhere other than default program files path.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 10:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dictation bridge help

Hello I am using windows10 64 bit


On 1/21/2017 11:58 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Which version of Windows and are you running a 32-bit Windows
version? Let us know so one of us can file an issue.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 10:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] dictation bridge help

Hello I have dragon 13 installed and working

when I try to import the commands it says that it can't find
dragon on my system]

is there a way to fix this?

thanks

Hank






















Re: dictation bridge help

 

Hello it is not letting me download the xml file

On 1/22/2017 6:37 PM, Pranav Lal wrote:
Hi Hank and Joseph

Joseph, many thanks for chiming in and reporting issues.

Hank, you can manually import commands via the Dragon command browser. Please see the release notes.
Grab the commands XML file from my dropbox at
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3688386/dictationBridgeCommands.xml

Pranav
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dictation bridge help

Hi,
Not all features are there, including controlling NVDA via speech (that's for Dragon for now).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 1:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dictation bridge help

can you do the same things with wsr that you can do with dragon?


On 1/21/2017 1:57 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Nothing else comes to my mind tat the moment as I don't use Dragon to test this add-on (I use WSR).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 12:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dictation bridge help

interesting

because I just installed it to the default directory

it should be seeing it.
any ideas on what t try next?
On 1/21/2017 1:53 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Yep, this suggests Dragon might have been installed somewhere other than paths assumed by the add-on.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 12:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dictation bridge help

not sure if this is what you were after

>>> os.environ["programfiles"]
'C:\\Program Files (x86)'
>>> os.environ["programw6432"]
'C:\\Program Files'

On 1/21/2017 1:31 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
To copy console output, after you type commands, press F6, then copy what you see in the edit field.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 12:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dictation bridge help

how do I copy the contents of the consel?


On 1/21/2017 12:07 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
One more: Can you do the following for me:
1. Open NVDA Python Console (Control+NVDA+Z).
2. Type the following as exactly as shown (press ENTER after each line):
os.environ["programfiles"]
os.environ["programw6432"]
Reply to me with whatever you get from these commands. Perhaps Dragon was installed somewhere other than default program files path.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 10:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dictation bridge help

Hello I am using windows10 64 bit


On 1/21/2017 11:58 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Which version of Windows and are you running a 32-bit Windows version? Let us know so one of us can file an issue.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 10:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] dictation bridge help

Hello I have dragon 13 installed and working

when I try to import the commands it says that it can't find
dragon on my system]

is there a way to fix this?

thanks

Hank




















Re: dictation bridge help

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Hank and Joseph

Joseph, many thanks for chiming in and reporting issues.

Hank, you can manually import commands via the Dragon command browser. Please see the release notes.
Grab the commands XML file from my dropbox at
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3688386/dictationBridgeCommands.xml

Pranav

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dictation bridge help

Hi,
Not all features are there, including controlling NVDA via speech (that's for Dragon for now).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 1:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dictation bridge help

can you do the same things with wsr that you can do with dragon?


On 1/21/2017 1:57 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Nothing else comes to my mind tat the moment as I don't use Dragon to test this add-on (I use WSR).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 12:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dictation bridge help

interesting

because I just installed it to the default directory

it should be seeing it.
any ideas on what t try next?
On 1/21/2017 1:53 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Yep, this suggests Dragon might have been installed somewhere other than paths assumed by the add-on.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 12:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dictation bridge help

not sure if this is what you were after

>>> os.environ["programfiles"]
'C:\\Program Files (x86)'
>>> os.environ["programw6432"]
'C:\\Program Files'

On 1/21/2017 1:31 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
To copy console output, after you type commands, press F6, then copy what you see in the edit field.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 12:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dictation bridge help

how do I copy the contents of the consel?


On 1/21/2017 12:07 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
One more: Can you do the following for me:
1. Open NVDA Python Console (Control+NVDA+Z).
2. Type the following as exactly as shown (press ENTER after each line):
os.environ["programfiles"]
os.environ["programw6432"]
Reply to me with whatever you get from these commands. Perhaps Dragon was installed somewhere other than default program files path.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 10:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dictation bridge help

Hello I am using windows10 64 bit


On 1/21/2017 11:58 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Which version of Windows and are you running a 32-bit Windows version? Let us know so one of us can file an issue.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 10:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] dictation bridge help

Hello I have dragon 13 installed and working

when I try to import the commands it says that it can't find
dragon on my system]

is there a way to fix this?

thanks

Hank


















Re: dictation bridge help

Pranav Lal
 

You can use Dragon with dictationBridge but you will not be able to control NVDA from Dragon.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 10:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dictation bridge help

Hello

so until this problem is fixed am I not able to use dragon with dictation bridge?

I mean there isn't some sort of temperary work around that I can use?
thanks
Hank

On 1/21/2017 3:35 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
At least NVDA will echo back what you said.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 2:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dictation bridge help

can u tell me what features wsr can do?


On 1/21/2017 2:07 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Not all features are there, including controlling NVDA via speech (that's for Dragon for now).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 1:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dictation bridge help

can you do the same things with wsr that you can do with dragon?


On 1/21/2017 1:57 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Nothing else comes to my mind tat the moment as I don't use Dragon to test this add-on (I use WSR).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 12:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dictation bridge help

interesting

because I just installed it to the default directory

it should be seeing it.
any ideas on what t try next?
On 1/21/2017 1:53 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Yep, this suggests Dragon might have been installed somewhere other than paths assumed by the add-on.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 12:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dictation bridge help

not sure if this is what you were after

>>> os.environ["programfiles"] 'C:\\Program Files (x86)'
>>> os.environ["programw6432"] 'C:\\Program Files'

On 1/21/2017 1:31 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
To copy console output, after you type commands, press F6, then copy what you see in the edit field.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 12:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dictation bridge help

how do I copy the contents of the consel?


On 1/21/2017 12:07 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
One more: Can you do the following for me:
1. Open NVDA Python Console (Control+NVDA+Z).
2. Type the following as exactly as shown (press ENTER after each line):
os.environ["programfiles"]
os.environ["programw6432"]
Reply to me with whatever you get from these commands. Perhaps Dragon was installed somewhere other than default program files path.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 10:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dictation bridge help

Hello I am using windows10 64 bit


On 1/21/2017 11:58 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Which version of Windows and are you running a 32-bit Windows version? Let us know so one of us can file an issue.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 10:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] dictation bridge help

Hello I have dragon 13 installed and working

when I try to import the commands it says that it can't find
dragon on my system]

is there a way to fix this?

thanks

Hank



















Re: Two Excel Questions

Greg Rhodes <gkrhodes@...>
 

Excellent. Thank you very much.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 22, 2017, at 6:11 PM, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com> wrote:

Insert+F7.

Rui


-----Mensagem Original----- De: Chris Mullins
Data: 22 de janeiro de 2017 19:19
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Two Excel Questions



Hi Greg

There is no specific NVDA command I am aware of but the Excel command to select a column is Ctrl+spacebar from anywhere in the target column and to select an entire row it’s shift+spacebar, again from anywhere in the row.
There is probably a way to see all the sheet names but I just use Ctrl+pageup/down to read them, so I don’t know the specific command.

Cheers

Chris





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Greg Rhodes
Sent: 22 January 2017 17:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Two Excel Questions







Question 1: If a sighted user wants to format all the cells in column C, he would click on the letter C at the top of the column to highlight all the cells in that column. How do you do that with NVDA?



Question 2: What is the NVDA command to get to the worksheet listing at the bottom of the page? Once you get there, I know that you use the Control/Page Up or Down to move between worksheets you have created.



Thanks.









Re: table problems with microsoft word

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi,

I don't have an answer directly for you, but if you are able to distribute the file, and would like to email it to me (quentin@...), I can have a look at it for you.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 3:30 AM, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...> wrote:
hi,

I was working on a file where everything was as a table. Nvda was lagging significantly  and I wrote my information under the various headings. However, my sighted friends who reviewed my file said the table slipped badly and that all the writing had slipped outside of the page. They hardly could read my file. However, I have no problem reading the file except lag. How is this possible? How can I fix this document and prevent this from happening in the future.







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Re: Two Excel Questions

Rui Fontes
 

Insert+F7.

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Chris Mullins
Data: 22 de janeiro de 2017 19:19
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Two Excel Questions



Hi Greg

There is no specific NVDA command I am aware of but the Excel command to select a column is Ctrl+spacebar from anywhere in the target column and to select an entire row it’s shift+spacebar, again from anywhere in the row.
There is probably a way to see all the sheet names but I just use Ctrl+pageup/down to read them, so I don’t know the specific command.

Cheers

Chris





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Greg Rhodes
Sent: 22 January 2017 17:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Two Excel Questions







Question 1: If a sighted user wants to format all the cells in column C, he would click on the letter C at the top of the column to highlight all the cells in that column. How do you do that with NVDA?



Question 2: What is the NVDA command to get to the worksheet listing at the bottom of the page? Once you get there, I know that you use the Control/Page Up or Down to move between worksheets you have created.



Thanks.


Re: accessible email clients with NVDA

Monte Single
 

Ive been using m s outlook with nvad for 5 or 6 years stable. You just need to get outlook set to the configuration that works for you. I have the message preview turned off;  basicly I just have all the folders showing on the left and the messages, arranged the way I like, showing on the rest of the screen. Less stuff for nvda to report on.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: January-22-17 3:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible email clients with NVDA

 

Hey, If I do upgrade to ten using a new computer. Can I still use outlook 2010?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: January-22-17 7:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible email clients with NVDA

 

On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 12:39 am, Brian's Mail list account wrote:

I just don't like Live mail, its too messy and keeps on losing its mail.

While your first assertion is unquestionably correct for you, your second one is just your opinion and the third one has never - I repeat - never - happened in my experience.  I've had a lot of clients who use WLM and have it running alongside Outlook 2010, Thunderbird, and Opera Mail, the last of which is an accessibility nightmare not to mention barely customizable, much like the Windows 10 mail app.
--
Brian

    If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Re: NVDA not focusing on comments when navigating using the anotations list

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Pranav,

When using the elements list dialog, once you have located the comment you would like to move to, you can press ENTER to move to it which works exactly the same as pressing TAB to the "move to" button and then ENTER - just a little quicker.

Once you do either of those, what should actually happen (and does for me, please let me know if this isn't what happens for you), is that the focus moves to the place in the document itself where the comment is - not the comment itself but the place where the comment is in the text.  At that point, you can press NVDA+alt+c to read the comment text.

If you wish to edit the comment itself (presumably if it's your own comment you want to change), you can then use alt+r, n as you indicate to move to the "next" comment from the review ribbon.

If the comment was from someone else and you want to "reply", then you can open the comment in this way, then press the applications key to open the context menu and choose "Reply to comment" (press M).

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 11:46 AM, Pranav Lal <pranav.lal@...> wrote:
Hi all,
When I navigate to a comment, NVDA does not focus correctly on it. I am told I
am on a comment but when I invoke the context menu to reply to it, I do not get
the correct options.
This happens in Word 2016 using NVDA 2016.4.

Steps to reproduce:
1. Open a document containing comments.
2. Go to brows mode and activate the list of links feature by hitting NVDA key +
f7.
3. Select the option to show annotations
4. Arrow to a comment of choice..
5. Tab to the "move" button and hit enter or spacebar to confirm the action.

You will be told you are on a comment. Hit the context menu key and look for
comment related options. You will not find them.

The workaround is to use the previous and next comment controls in the review
pane of the word ribbon.

Pranav







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Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
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Twitter: @NVAccess 


is there a basic tutorial on how to use team viewer?

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi guys


is any one on the list know of a tutorial for us on how to use team
viewer with a screen reader?


is there a tutorial out there for screen reader users? I know this
program has extra features which we may or may not use.

some sighted people refer to team viewer so they can see what is
happening on the screen and not the audio only like in nvda remote.

For example some times i need a sighted person to see what is happening
when the screen reader can not see the problem.



I have had a look at the interface and will give it a whirl later on. I
guess i wil be able to connect easily enough to the remote pc but is
there a way also of coming back to your pc if needed in the session?
then jumping back to his computer? I know in NVDA remote it is the F11
key is there one like that in team viewer? also after the session is it
just a matter of logging out of the program to stop it, i will have to
have more of a look.


Any help on letting me know of the F11 equivalent in nvda remote but the
one for team viewer would be great if you know it.


By the way any users of this program is there a lag? or is it laggy or
quite quick if the video is turned off?


if i can figure out the lay out looks easily enough and can get it to do
what i want to if there is interest i will write up a basic tutorial on
using it.

I will see how this one goes.


Gene nz



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Re: accessible email clients with NVDA

Arlene
 

Oh good. I got outlook 2010 when I got this 7 box.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: January-22-17 1:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible email clients with NVDA

 

Yes you should be able to.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible email clients with NVDA

 

Hey, If I do upgrade to ten using a new computer. Can I still use outlook 2010?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: January-22-17 7:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible email clients with NVDA

 

On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 12:39 am, Brian's Mail list account wrote:

I just don't like Live mail, its too messy and keeps on losing its mail.

While your first assertion is unquestionably correct for you, your second one is just your opinion and the third one has never - I repeat - never - happened in my experience.  I've had a lot of clients who use WLM and have it running alongside Outlook 2010, Thunderbird, and Opera Mail, the last of which is an accessibility nightmare not to mention barely customizable, much like the Windows 10 mail app.
--
Brian

    If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Re: accessible email clients with NVDA

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

Yes you should be able to.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible email clients with NVDA

 

Hey, If I do upgrade to ten using a new computer. Can I still use outlook 2010?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: January-22-17 7:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible email clients with NVDA

 

On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 12:39 am, Brian's Mail list account wrote:

I just don't like Live mail, its too messy and keeps on losing its mail.

While your first assertion is unquestionably correct for you, your second one is just your opinion and the third one has never - I repeat - never - happened in my experience.  I've had a lot of clients who use WLM and have it running alongside Outlook 2010, Thunderbird, and Opera Mail, the last of which is an accessibility nightmare not to mention barely customizable, much like the Windows 10 mail app.
--
Brian

    If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Re: accessible email clients with NVDA

Arlene
 

Hey, If I do upgrade to ten using a new computer. Can I still use outlook 2010?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: January-22-17 7:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible email clients with NVDA

 

On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 12:39 am, Brian's Mail list account wrote:

I just don't like Live mail, its too messy and keeps on losing its mail.

While your first assertion is unquestionably correct for you, your second one is just your opinion and the third one has never - I repeat - never - happened in my experience.  I've had a lot of clients who use WLM and have it running alongside Outlook 2010, Thunderbird, and Opera Mail, the last of which is an accessibility nightmare not to mention barely customizable, much like the Windows 10 mail app.
--
Brian

    If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Re: accessible email clients with NVDA

 

I never tried Eudora but I will give it a shot. As of right now I am trying out OE Classic with the JAWS scripts and comparing the new OE classic with the 2.5 one to see if they really are working with accessibility or if they were just giving me lip service. So far, no NVDA improvements. without the JAWS scripts, JAWS is in the same boat as NVDA. I also tried opra mail and that is not accessible either.


Re: accessible email clients with NVDA

john s
 

I have used NVDA a little bit with Eudora and  it appears to work well
.


earlier, Brian Vogel, wrote:

On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 11:10 am, The Wolf wrote:
Becky! Internet Mail Version 2

And?   That's another e-mail client entirely.  All I was trying to do was to clarify that "Klause" mail does not exist while "Claws" mail does.  As has already been mentioned, Claws Mail is not accessible with NVDA.

Also, Becky! Internet Mail Version 2.7.3 is not free.  It comes with a 30 day trial after which you must by a license for $40, which while not exorbitant is more than many might wish to spend when there are a number of very, very good no-cost e-mail clients out there.
--
Brian

    If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

John


Re: accessible email clients with NVDA

 

On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 11:10 am, The Wolf wrote:
Becky! Internet Mail Version 2

And?   That's another e-mail client entirely.  All I was trying to do was to clarify that "Klause" mail does not exist while "Claws" mail does.  As has already been mentioned, Claws Mail is not accessible with NVDA.

Also, Becky! Internet Mail Version 2.7.3 is not free.  It comes with a 30 day trial after which you must by a license for $40, which while not exorbitant is more than many might wish to spend when there are a number of very, very good no-cost e-mail clients out there.
--
Brian

    If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell