From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 10:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new member and a few questions

Hi Dan,

Welcome to the group!

Re "Line feed", what program are you in when it announces that? For
me, in most programs, it doesn't necessarily announce anything when I
press ENTER, but as I left or right arrow through the text it
announces line feed when it gets to where I pressed enter? This is to
indicate that it was a deliberate press of ENTER and not just reaching
the right margin for instance.

You can set NVDA to "Speak command keys" by pressing NVDA+4 or from
NVDA's keyboard preferences dialog. This will announce "ENTER" when
you press that key. Note that it will also announce things like
"CONTROL+RIGHT ARROW" as you move by word, "NVDA+END" before reading
the status bar and so on.

Re saving files. Again in word, if I press control+s, NVDA reads:
"ctrl+s
Save As tab selected Save As Alt, F, A " That is using the
default setup of Word showing the "backstage". If I set it up to go
straight to the save as dialog (file - options - save then check
"Don't show the backstage when opening or saving files".

If I have it set to go straight to the save as dialog, I get:

"ctrl+s
Save As dialog File name: File name:
Save as type: Save as type:
File name: combo box collapsed
edit Alt+n
selected some filename.docx"
Which is exactly the same if I press f12.

In Wordpad, when I press control+s, I get:

"ctrl+s
Save As dialog
File name: combo box collapsed
edit Alt+n
selected Document.rtf
"

In Notepad I get:

"ctrl+s
Save As dialog File name: File name:
Save as type: Save as type:
File name: combo box collapsed
edit Alt+n
selected *.txt"


Not sure if that helps though?

Regards

Quentin.


On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 2:02 PM, Dan Thompson <dmt031073@gmail.com> wrote:

First I am very greatful for this list and all the
work developers have put into NVDA.

Q1. Instead of announcing “line feed”, Is it possible to cause NVDA
to announce new line or blank when pressing enter to move to a new line?



Q2. Recently NVDA in my class room will not say “file name” when
pressing control + s when saving file for the first time.

NVDA will not say “save as” when pressing f12.



When we press control + c or control + v, NVDA does not announce,

“copy” or “paste.” Is there some setting that is not correct?

Thanks for reading this long email and thanks in advance for your
assistance.





*This is the way of peace: Overcome evil with good, and falsehood
with truth, and hatred with love.”* —Peace Pilgrim



*“God is the mind that imagines physical reality. We are each like a
cell in that mind.”* —Peter Shepherd

--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306
www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess

Hi Dan,

Welcome to the group!

Re "Line feed", what program are you in when it announces that? For
me, in most programs, it doesn't necessarily announce anything when I
press ENTER, but as I left or right arrow through the text it
announces line feed when it gets to where I pressed enter? This is to
indicate that it was a deliberate press of ENTER and not just reaching
the right margin for instance.

You can set NVDA to "Speak command keys" by pressing NVDA+4 or from
NVDA's keyboard preferences dialog. This will announce "ENTER" when
you press that key. Note that it will also announce things like
"CONTROL+RIGHT ARROW" as you move by word, "NVDA+END" before reading
the status bar and so on.

Re saving files. Again in word, if I press control+s, NVDA reads:
"ctrl+s
Save As tab selected Save As Alt, F, A " That is using the
default setup of Word showing the "backstage". If I set it up to go
straight to the save as dialog (file - options - save then check
"Don't show the backstage when opening or saving files".

If I have it set to go straight to the save as dialog, I get:

"ctrl+s
Save As dialog File name: File name:
Save as type: Save as type:
File name: combo box collapsed
edit Alt+n
selected some filename.docx"
Which is exactly the same if I press f12.

In Wordpad, when I press control+s, I get:

"ctrl+s
Save As dialog
File name: combo box collapsed
edit Alt+n
selected Document.rtf
"

In Notepad I get:

"ctrl+s
Save As dialog File name: File name:
Save as type: Save as type:
File name: combo box collapsed
edit Alt+n
selected *.txt"


Not sure if that helps though?

Regards

Quentin.


On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 2:02 PM, Dan Thompson <dmt031073@gmail.com> wrote:

First I am very greatful for this list and all the
work developers have put into NVDA.

Q1. Instead of announcing “line feed”, Is it possible to cause NVDA
to announce new line or blank when pressing enter to move to a new line?



Q2. Recently NVDA in my class room will not say “file name” when
pressing control + s when saving file for the first time.

NVDA will not say “save as” when pressing f12.



When we press control + c or control + v, NVDA does not announce,

“copy” or “paste.” Is there some setting that is not correct?

Thanks for reading this long email and thanks in advance for your
assistance.





*This is the way of peace: Overcome evil with good, and falsehood
with truth, and hatred with love.”* —Peace Pilgrim



*“God is the mind that imagines physical reality. We are each like a
cell in that mind.”* —Peter Shepherd

--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306
www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess

Hi guys

Recently updated:
The following tutorials have been added to accessibilitycentral.net

RECENTLY UPDATED: A free TV guide for New Zealand that can be used with
NVDA; Audio described listings by Able.co.nz (both on the NVDA tutorials
for other programs page).
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20other%20programs.html
NEW: All NVDA related pages have had a brief description and link added
which will take you to the recent nvaccess In Process blog (to keep NVDA
users up to date with developments)

I will add more tutorials to this thread as they are written up.

Gene NZ

Hi Dan,

Welcome to the group!

Re "Line feed", what program are you in when it announces that? For
me, in most programs, it doesn't necessarily announce anything when I
press ENTER, but as I left or right arrow through the text it
announces line feed when it gets to where I pressed enter? This is to
indicate that it was a deliberate press of ENTER and not just reaching
the right margin for instance.

You can set NVDA to "Speak command keys" by pressing NVDA+4 or from
NVDA's keyboard preferences dialog. This will announce "ENTER" when
you press that key. Note that it will also announce things like
"CONTROL+RIGHT ARROW" as you move by word, "NVDA+END" before reading
the status bar and so on.

Re saving files. Again in word, if I press control+s, NVDA reads:
"ctrl+s
Save As tab selected Save As Alt, F, A " That is using the
default setup of Word showing the "backstage". If I set it up to go
straight to the save as dialog (file - options - save then check
"Don't show the backstage when opening or saving files".

If I have it set to go straight to the save as dialog, I get:

"ctrl+s
Save As dialog File name: File name:
Save as type: Save as type:
File name: combo box collapsed
edit Alt+n
selected some filename.docx"
Which is exactly the same if I press f12.

In Wordpad, when I press control+s, I get:

"ctrl+s
Save As dialog
File name: combo box collapsed
edit Alt+n
selected Document.rtf
"

In Notepad I get:

"ctrl+s
Save As dialog File name: File name:
Save as type: Save as type:
File name: combo box collapsed
edit Alt+n
selected *.txt"


Not sure if that helps though?

Regards

Quentin.


On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 2:02 PM, Dan Thompson <dmt031073@gmail.com> wrote:

First I am very greatful for this list and all the
work developers have put into NVDA.

Q1. Instead of announcing “line feed”, Is it possible to cause NVDA
to announce new line or blank when pressing enter to move to a new line?



Q2. Recently NVDA in my class room will not say “file name” when
pressing control + s when saving file for the first time.

NVDA will not say “save as” when pressing f12.



When we press control + c or control + v, NVDA does not announce,

“copy” or “paste.” Is there some setting that is not correct?

Thanks for reading this long email and thanks in advance for your
assistance.





*This is the way of peace: Overcome evil with good, and falsehood
with truth, and hatred with love.”* —Peace Pilgrim



*“God is the mind that imagines physical reality. We are each like a
cell in that mind.”* —Peter Shepherd

--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306
www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess

Hi guys

Recently updated:
The following tutorials have been added to accessibilitycentral.net

RECENTLY UPDATED: A free TV guide for New Zealand that can be used with
NVDA; Audio described listings by Able.co.nz (both on the NVDA tutorials
for other programs page).
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20other%20programs.html
NEW: All NVDA related pages have had a brief description and link added
which will take you to the recent nvaccess In Process blog (to keep NVDA
users up to date with developments)

I will add more tutorials to this thread as they are written up.

Gene NZ


--

<b>Check out the new location of my accessibility central website for
NVDA tutorials, NVDA road tested programs, and other eyesight related
topics.
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ If you would like to keep up to
date with whats being updated on our website, you can also follow us on
facebook by visiting
the following link
https://en-gb.facebook.com/people/AccessibilityCentral-Net/100009727930216
Also, check out which New Zealand libraries have the NVDA screen reader
available by visiting the following link
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries

Hi Dan,

Welcome to the group!

Re "Line feed", what program are you in when it announces that? For me, in
most programs, it doesn't necessarily announce anything when I press ENTER,
but as I left or right arrow through the text it announces line feed when
it gets to where I pressed enter? This is to indicate that it was a
deliberate press of ENTER and not just reaching the right margin for
instance.

You can set NVDA to "Speak command keys" by pressing NVDA+4 or from NVDA's
keyboard preferences dialog. This will announce "ENTER" when you press
that key. Note that it will also announce things like "CONTROL+RIGHT
ARROW" as you move by word, "NVDA+END" before reading the status bar and so
on.

Re saving files. Again in word, if I press control+s, NVDA reads:
"ctrl+s
Save As tab selected Save As Alt, F, A " That is using the default
setup of Word showing the "backstage". If I set it up to go straight to
the save as dialog (file - options - save then check "Don't show the
backstage when opening or saving files".

If I have it set to go straight to the save as dialog, I get:

"ctrl+s
Save As dialog File name: File name:
Save as type: Save as type:
File name: combo box collapsed
edit Alt+n
selected some filename.docx"
Which is exactly the same if I press f12.

In Wordpad, when I press control+s, I get:

"ctrl+s
Save As dialog
File name: combo box collapsed
edit Alt+n
selected Document.rtf
"

In Notepad I get:

"ctrl+s
Save As dialog File name: File name:
Save as type: Save as type:
File name: combo box collapsed
edit Alt+n
selected *.txt"


Not sure if that helps though?

Regards

Quentin.


On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 2:02 PM, Dan Thompson <dmt031073@gmail.com> wrote:

First I am very greatful for this list and all the work
developers have put into NVDA.

Q1. Instead of announcing “line feed”, Is it possible to cause NVDA to
announce new line or blank when pressing enter to move to a new line?



Q2. Recently NVDA in my class room will not say “file name” when
pressing
control + s when saving file for the first time.

NVDA will not say “save as” when pressing f12.



When we press control + c or control + v, NVDA does not announce,

“copy” or “paste.” Is there some setting that is not correct?

Thanks for reading this long email and thanks in advance for your
assistance.





*This is the way of peace: Overcome evil with good, and falsehood with
truth, and hatred with love.”* —Peace Pilgrim



*“God is the mind that imagines physical reality. We are each like a cell
in that mind.”* —Peter Shepherd

--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306
www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess

Nimer, if you know what's wrong with my syntax, then please will you respond off list and let me know? I'm desperet.

 

I did write Accappella about this, and they're not responding. It's now been almost half a week.

 

Chris.

 

 

Chris.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Nimer Jaber

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 10:35 PM

Subject: Admin's Note: RE: [nvda] Accappella TTS Config: OK, face it. I'm utterly confused!

Hello,

 

Please respond to Chris off-list. Chris, you should probably also contact Acapela directly. This is more of an issue with their synth and your syntax than with the NVDA screen reader. No further admin intervention will occur unless this thread gets out of hand. Also, please endeavor to moderate your language on this list as we do have a wide variety of members, and we are the representatives of the great NVDA screen reader. If you have any questions, please submit them to the owner address.

 

Thanks.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 21:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Accappella TTS Config: OK, face it. I'm utterly confused!
Importance: High

 

First off, let me refer you to this link:

 

http://www.acapela-nvda.com/blog/2017/01/12/is-your-acapela-voice-laughing-or-crying-with-nvda/

 

OK, so here's the deal.

 

I have NVDA 2016.4 on Windows 10 Home 64 Bit.

 

I'm trying whilst pulling my dang hair out over here to figure out, excuse my language, why in the bloody hell! this isn't working.

 

Here's what I've done up to this point.

 

1. Press Windows key+R to open the run dialog.

 

2. Typed c: and pressed enter.

 

3. Navigated to Program Files X86, and pressed enter on the NVDA folder.

 

4. Navigated to builtin.dic

 

5. Pressed CTRL+C to copy it to the clipboard

 

6. Navigated to my Documents folder

 

7. Pressed CTRL+V to paste the file so I'd have a backup copy.

 

8. Went back to the NVDA directory, and pressed enter to open Builtin.dic

 

9. Found the line about breaking words that end with numbers. This line, in itself was commented, but the line referenced in the link above right below it wasn't.

10. Typed a number sign, (#) right at the very beginning of the line directly after the break line. I then put a space after the number sign.

 

So, here is what my entire file looks like. Note that to seperate the file's content from the rest of the file, I have put the content between two lines of three hyphens. The hyphens are not in the file. They are only being used as a container placeholder to show you all where the content begins and ends, so, beware.

 

---

#break up words that use a capital letter to denote another word
([a-z])([A-Z]) \1 \2 1 1
#Break away a word starting with a capital from a fully uppercase word
([A-Z])([A-Z][a-z]) \1 \2 1 1
#Break words that have numbers at the end
# ((?:(?=\D)\w)+)(\d+) \1 \2 1 1

---

 

11. Pressed CTRL+S to save. Was presented with a save as dialog. Left the file name alone, tabbed to the save button, pressed enter, said yes to replace, then got an error access denied. Yes. I am logged on as an administrator.

 

12. Closed this Notepad window with the file, went to my Documents folder, found the file, editted it in Notepad to read as the following:

 

---

#break up words that use a capital letter to denote another word
([a-z])([A-Z]) \1 \2 1 1
#Break away a word starting with a capital from a fully uppercase word
([A-Z])([A-Z][a-z]) \1 \2 1 1
#Break words that have numbers at the end
# ((?:(?=\D)\w)+)(\d+) \1 \2 1 1

---

 

Then pressed CTRL+S to save. This worked as far as saving the file.

 

13. I then copied this file over to the c:\Program Files X86\NVDA directory, replacing the file that was already there with the newly modified version. I was asked if I wanted to use automatic elevated priveledges to complete this task, and I said OK. The file was copied over successfully.

 

14. I restarted NVDA.

 

15. I pressed NVDA+CTRL+S to select synthesizer, and went to Accappella TTS. ON my end this loaded the Ella voice, which is fine, as she's exactly who I want to do this with.

 

15. I opened a blank file in Notepad, and in it, I typed:

 

#LAUGH01#

 

I tried this all the way up to 05, and it did absolutely no good. All she says is, number laugh 0 1  number.

 

I tried putting a space after this line of text, no good. I even tried a carriage return, but that didn't work either. No other text was on the same line. The whole document was totally empty except for this.

 

16. I tried

 

#COUGH05#

 

I wanted to make her cough as hard as she could, so I could really really hear it in case it was suttle. That didn't work. All I heard was number cough 05 number.

 

17. I also tried with

#CRY05#

 

No good.

 

I dono what on earth I did wrong!

 

I know some voices don't have all the sounds nor exclamations recorded, but unless I read it wrong, it looks like Ella should have all the above sounds included. I should note that the syntax of how I am writing these things in Notepad on a line all by themselves is: number sign, then in all caps, the sound name, like cough, for example, c o u g h, then no space after the letter h, 05, then another number sign.

 

I've tried putting a space after the first number sign before the letter C in cough. No good. I tried putting a space after the 5 in cough05, no good. I've put a space before the numbers 05, no good. I put a space on both sides, before the C, and after the 5 both. No good. I even did a space before the C, after the H, and after the 5 all 3. No good. Basically, long story short, I tried every combination under the fortunate sun!

 

I'm totally sure the voices are activated, and these voices are on version 1.49. I've tried all 5 levels of laugh, cough, cry, sneeze, breath, and even have tried CAR REVVING. I even tried all 5 of AARGH. No good.

 

Have tried with Ella, Will, Will Happy, Rosey, Amilio, Josh, and I think even Heather. I also tried with Mika.

 

I'm totally at a loss! I even did the sloppy work around by adding the actual number sign symbol to the temporary dictionary, and replacing with nothing more than a space character, then, setting the radio button cluster to Anywhere. That didn't do it either. That got rid of it saying number, but now, all I get is

 

Cry05

 

and that's it. No boo hoo hoo, no ha ha ha, no aaaaaaaaarg! Nothing.

 

I have some txt files of things I've written, and I really, really, really! would like to get these things working, as I think it would make reading the files really awesome, if I could get those codes to work.

 

If anyone's gotten this to work, then tell me step by step what to do. I have a backup copy of NVDA that I can revert back to if you'd like me to just start over totally fresh from before I ever started screwing with this, this way we're at ground square 1.

 

The more specific keystroke by keystroke you can be at telling me how to do this, the better. Please, be as specific as you can be. Trust me. The extral verbiage will not drive me crazy. Right now, I think I'm gonna need it.

 

Again, Windows 10 Home 64 bit, Accappella TTS for NVDA V 1.49, and NVDA 2016.4 official release.

 

Thank you profusely!

 

Chris.

 

from what i remember, the reperesentive for the company posted this link and the way to get this to work on the list; so i think this could be talked about on list.

Hello,

 

Please respond to Chris off-list. Chris, you should probably also contact Acapela directly. This is more of an issue with their synth and your syntax than with the NVDA screen reader. No further admin intervention will occur unless this thread gets out of hand. Also, please endeavor to moderate your language on this list as we do have a wide variety of members, and we are the representatives of the great NVDA screen reader. If you have any questions, please submit them to the owner address.

 

Thanks.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 21:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Accappella TTS Config: OK, face it. I'm utterly confused!
Importance: High

 

First off, let me refer you to this link:

 

http://www.acapela-nvda.com/blog/2017/01/12/is-your-acapela-voice-laughing-or-crying-with-nvda/

 

OK, so here's the deal.

 

I have NVDA 2016.4 on Windows 10 Home 64 Bit.

 

I'm trying whilst pulling my dang hair out over here to figure out, excuse my language, why in the bloody hell! this isn't working.

 

Here's what I've done up to this point.

 

1. Press Windows key+R to open the run dialog.

 

2. Typed c: and pressed enter.

 

3. Navigated to Program Files X86, and pressed enter on the NVDA folder.

 

4. Navigated to builtin.dic

 

5. Pressed CTRL+C to copy it to the clipboard

 

6. Navigated to my Documents folder

 

7. Pressed CTRL+V to paste the file so I'd have a backup copy.

 

8. Went back to the NVDA directory, and pressed enter to open Builtin.dic

 

9. Found the line about breaking words that end with numbers. This line, in itself was commented, but the line referenced in the link above right below it wasn't.

10. Typed a number sign, (#) right at the very beginning of the line directly after the break line. I then put a space after the number sign.

 

So, here is what my entire file looks like. Note that to seperate the file's content from the rest of the file, I have put the content between two lines of three hyphens. The hyphens are not in the file. They are only being used as a container placeholder to show you all where the content begins and ends, so, beware.

 

---

#break up words that use a capital letter to denote another word
([a-z])([A-Z]) \1 \2 1 1
#Break away a word starting with a capital from a fully uppercase word
([A-Z])([A-Z][a-z]) \1 \2 1 1
#Break words that have numbers at the end
# ((?:(?=\D)\w)+)(\d+) \1 \2 1 1

---

 

11. Pressed CTRL+S to save. Was presented with a save as dialog. Left the file name alone, tabbed to the save button, pressed enter, said yes to replace, then got an error access denied. Yes. I am logged on as an administrator.

 

12. Closed this Notepad window with the file, went to my Documents folder, found the file, editted it in Notepad to read as the following:

 

---

#break up words that use a capital letter to denote another word
([a-z])([A-Z]) \1 \2 1 1
#Break away a word starting with a capital from a fully uppercase word
([A-Z])([A-Z][a-z]) \1 \2 1 1
#Break words that have numbers at the end
# ((?:(?=\D)\w)+)(\d+) \1 \2 1 1

---

 

Then pressed CTRL+S to save. This worked as far as saving the file.

 

13. I then copied this file over to the c:\Program Files X86\NVDA directory, replacing the file that was already there with the newly modified version. I was asked if I wanted to use automatic elevated priveledges to complete this task, and I said OK. The file was copied over successfully.

 

14. I restarted NVDA.

 

15. I pressed NVDA+CTRL+S to select synthesizer, and went to Accappella TTS. ON my end this loaded the Ella voice, which is fine, as she's exactly who I want to do this with.

 

15. I opened a blank file in Notepad, and in it, I typed:

 

#LAUGH01#

 

I tried this all the way up to 05, and it did absolutely no good. All she says is, number laugh 0 1  number.

 

I tried putting a space after this line of text, no good. I even tried a carriage return, but that didn't work either. No other text was on the same line. The whole document was totally empty except for this.

 

16. I tried

 

#COUGH05#

 

I wanted to make her cough as hard as she could, so I could really really hear it in case it was suttle. That didn't work. All I heard was number cough 05 number.

 

17. I also tried with

#CRY05#

 

No good.

 

I dono what on earth I did wrong!

 

I know some voices don't have all the sounds nor exclamations recorded, but unless I read it wrong, it looks like Ella should have all the above sounds included. I should note that the syntax of how I am writing these things in Notepad on a line all by themselves is: number sign, then in all caps, the sound name, like cough, for example, c o u g h, then no space after the letter h, 05, then another number sign.

 

I've tried putting a space after the first number sign before the letter C in cough. No good. I tried putting a space after the 5 in cough05, no good. I've put a space before the numbers 05, no good. I put a space on both sides, before the C, and after the 5 both. No good. I even did a space before the C, after the H, and after the 5 all 3. No good. Basically, long story short, I tried every combination under the fortunate sun!

 

I'm totally sure the voices are activated, and these voices are on version 1.49. I've tried all 5 levels of laugh, cough, cry, sneeze, breath, and even have tried CAR REVVING. I even tried all 5 of AARGH. No good.

 

Have tried with Ella, Will, Will Happy, Rosey, Amilio, Josh, and I think even Heather. I also tried with Mika.

 

I'm totally at a loss! I even did the sloppy work around by adding the actual number sign symbol to the temporary dictionary, and replacing with nothing more than a space character, then, setting the radio button cluster to Anywhere. That didn't do it either. That got rid of it saying number, but now, all I get is

 

Cry05

 

and that's it. No boo hoo hoo, no ha ha ha, no aaaaaaaaarg! Nothing.

 

I have some txt files of things I've written, and I really, really, really! would like to get these things working, as I think it would make reading the files really awesome, if I could get those codes to work.

 

If anyone's gotten this to work, then tell me step by step what to do. I have a backup copy of NVDA that I can revert back to if you'd like me to just start over totally fresh from before I ever started screwing with this, this way we're at ground square 1.

 

The more specific keystroke by keystroke you can be at telling me how to do this, the better. Please, be as specific as you can be. Trust me. The extral verbiage will not drive me crazy. Right now, I think I'm gonna need it.

 

Again, Windows 10 Home 64 bit, Accappella TTS for NVDA V 1.49, and NVDA 2016.4 official release.

 

Thank you profusely!

 

Chris.

 

Hello,

 

Please respond to Chris off-list. Chris, you should probably also contact Acapela directly. This is more of an issue with their synth and your syntax than with the NVDA screen reader. No further admin intervention will occur unless this thread gets out of hand. Also, please endeavor to moderate your language on this list as we do have a wide variety of members, and we are the representatives of the great NVDA screen reader. If you have any questions, please submit them to the owner address.

 

Thanks.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 21:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Accappella TTS Config: OK, face it. I'm utterly confused!
Importance: High

 

First off, let me refer you to this link:

 

http://www.acapela-nvda.com/blog/2017/01/12/is-your-acapela-voice-laughing-or-crying-with-nvda/

 

OK, so here's the deal.

 

I have NVDA 2016.4 on Windows 10 Home 64 Bit.

 

I'm trying whilst pulling my dang hair out over here to figure out, excuse my language, why in the bloody hell! this isn't working.

 

Here's what I've done up to this point.

 

1. Press Windows key+R to open the run dialog.

 

2. Typed c: and pressed enter.

 

3. Navigated to Program Files X86, and pressed enter on the NVDA folder.

 

4. Navigated to builtin.dic

 

5. Pressed CTRL+C to copy it to the clipboard

 

6. Navigated to my Documents folder

 

7. Pressed CTRL+V to paste the file so I'd have a backup copy.

 

8. Went back to the NVDA directory, and pressed enter to open Builtin.dic

 

9. Found the line about breaking words that end with numbers. This line, in itself was commented, but the line referenced in the link above right below it wasn't.

10. Typed a number sign, (#) right at the very beginning of the line directly after the break line. I then put a space after the number sign.

 

So, here is what my entire file looks like. Note that to seperate the file's content from the rest of the file, I have put the content between two lines of three hyphens. The hyphens are not in the file. They are only being used as a container placeholder to show you all where the content begins and ends, so, beware.

 

---

#break up words that use a capital letter to denote another word
([a-z])([A-Z]) \1 \2 1 1
#Break away a word starting with a capital from a fully uppercase word
([A-Z])([A-Z][a-z]) \1 \2 1 1
#Break words that have numbers at the end
# ((?:(?=\D)\w)+)(\d+) \1 \2 1 1

---

 

11. Pressed CTRL+S to save. Was presented with a save as dialog. Left the file name alone, tabbed to the save button, pressed enter, said yes to replace, then got an error access denied. Yes. I am logged on as an administrator.

 

12. Closed this Notepad window with the file, went to my Documents folder, found the file, editted it in Notepad to read as the following:

 

---

#break up words that use a capital letter to denote another word
([a-z])([A-Z]) \1 \2 1 1
#Break away a word starting with a capital from a fully uppercase word
([A-Z])([A-Z][a-z]) \1 \2 1 1
#Break words that have numbers at the end
# ((?:(?=\D)\w)+)(\d+) \1 \2 1 1

---

 

Then pressed CTRL+S to save. This worked as far as saving the file.

 

13. I then copied this file over to the c:\Program Files X86\NVDA directory, replacing the file that was already there with the newly modified version. I was asked if I wanted to use automatic elevated priveledges to complete this task, and I said OK. The file was copied over successfully.

 

14. I restarted NVDA.

 

15. I pressed NVDA+CTRL+S to select synthesizer, and went to Accappella TTS. ON my end this loaded the Ella voice, which is fine, as she's exactly who I want to do this with.

 

15. I opened a blank file in Notepad, and in it, I typed:

 

#LAUGH01#

 

I tried this all the way up to 05, and it did absolutely no good. All she says is, number laugh 0 1  number.

 

I tried putting a space after this line of text, no good. I even tried a carriage return, but that didn't work either. No other text was on the same line. The whole document was totally empty except for this.

 

16. I tried

 

#COUGH05#

 

I wanted to make her cough as hard as she could, so I could really really hear it in case it was suttle. That didn't work. All I heard was number cough 05 number.

 

17. I also tried with

#CRY05#

 

No good.

 

I dono what on earth I did wrong!

 

I know some voices don't have all the sounds nor exclamations recorded, but unless I read it wrong, it looks like Ella should have all the above sounds included. I should note that the syntax of how I am writing these things in Notepad on a line all by themselves is: number sign, then in all caps, the sound name, like cough, for example, c o u g h, then no space after the letter h, 05, then another number sign.

 

I've tried putting a space after the first number sign before the letter C in cough. No good. I tried putting a space after the 5 in cough05, no good. I've put a space before the numbers 05, no good. I put a space on both sides, before the C, and after the 5 both. No good. I even did a space before the C, after the H, and after the 5 all 3. No good. Basically, long story short, I tried every combination under the fortunate sun!

 

I'm totally sure the voices are activated, and these voices are on version 1.49. I've tried all 5 levels of laugh, cough, cry, sneeze, breath, and even have tried CAR REVVING. I even tried all 5 of AARGH. No good.

 

Have tried with Ella, Will, Will Happy, Rosey, Amilio, Josh, and I think even Heather. I also tried with Mika.

 

I'm totally at a loss! I even did the sloppy work around by adding the actual number sign symbol to the temporary dictionary, and replacing with nothing more than a space character, then, setting the radio button cluster to Anywhere. That didn't do it either. That got rid of it saying number, but now, all I get is

 

Cry05

 

and that's it. No boo hoo hoo, no ha ha ha, no aaaaaaaaarg! Nothing.

 

I have some txt files of things I've written, and I really, really, really! would like to get these things working, as I think it would make reading the files really awesome, if I could get those codes to work.

 

If anyone's gotten this to work, then tell me step by step what to do. I have a backup copy of NVDA that I can revert back to if you'd like me to just start over totally fresh from before I ever started screwing with this, this way we're at ground square 1.

 

The more specific keystroke by keystroke you can be at telling me how to do this, the better. Please, be as specific as you can be. Trust me. The extral verbiage will not drive me crazy. Right now, I think I'm gonna need it.

 

Again, Windows 10 Home 64 bit, Accappella TTS for NVDA V 1.49, and NVDA 2016.4 official release.

 

Thank you profusely!

 

Chris.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Nimer Jaber

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 10:35 PM

Subject: Admin's Note: RE: [nvda] Accappella TTS Config: OK, face it. I'm utterly confused!

Hello,

 

Please respond to Chris off-list. Chris, you should probably also contact Acapela directly. This is more of an issue with their synth and your syntax than with the NVDA screen reader. No further admin intervention will occur unless this thread gets out of hand. Also, please endeavor to moderate your language on this list as we do have a wide variety of members, and we are the representatives of the great NVDA screen reader. If you have any questions, please submit them to the owner address.

 

Thanks.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 21:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Accappella TTS Config: OK, face it. I'm utterly confused!
Importance: High

 

First off, let me refer you to this link:

 

http://www.acapela-nvda.com/blog/2017/01/12/is-your-acapela-voice-laughing-or-crying-with-nvda/

 

OK, so here's the deal.

 

I have NVDA 2016.4 on Windows 10 Home 64 Bit.

 

I'm trying whilst pulling my dang hair out over here to figure out, excuse my language, why in the bloody hell! this isn't working.

 

Here's what I've done up to this point.

 

1. Press Windows key+R to open the run dialog.

 

2. Typed c: and pressed enter.

 

3. Navigated to Program Files X86, and pressed enter on the NVDA folder.

 

4. Navigated to builtin.dic

 

5. Pressed CTRL+C to copy it to the clipboard

 

6. Navigated to my Documents folder

 

7. Pressed CTRL+V to paste the file so I'd have a backup copy.

 

8. Went back to the NVDA directory, and pressed enter to open Builtin.dic

 

9. Found the line about breaking words that end with numbers. This line, in itself was commented, but the line referenced in the link above right below it wasn't.

10. Typed a number sign, (#) right at the very beginning of the line directly after the break line. I then put a space after the number sign.

 

So, here is what my entire file looks like. Note that to seperate the file's content from the rest of the file, I have put the content between two lines of three hyphens. The hyphens are not in the file. They are only being used as a container placeholder to show you all where the content begins and ends, so, beware.

 

---

#break up words that use a capital letter to denote another word
([a-z])([A-Z]) \1 \2 1 1
#Break away a word starting with a capital from a fully uppercase word
([A-Z])([A-Z][a-z]) \1 \2 1 1
#Break words that have numbers at the end
# ((?:(?=\D)\w)+)(\d+) \1 \2 1 1

---

 

11. Pressed CTRL+S to save. Was presented with a save as dialog. Left the file name alone, tabbed to the save button, pressed enter, said yes to replace, then got an error access denied. Yes. I am logged on as an administrator.

 

12. Closed this Notepad window with the file, went to my Documents folder, found the file, editted it in Notepad to read as the following:

 

---

#break up words that use a capital letter to denote another word
([a-z])([A-Z]) \1 \2 1 1
#Break away a word starting with a capital from a fully uppercase word
([A-Z])([A-Z][a-z]) \1 \2 1 1
#Break words that have numbers at the end
# ((?:(?=\D)\w)+)(\d+) \1 \2 1 1

---

 

Then pressed CTRL+S to save. This worked as far as saving the file.

 

13. I then copied this file over to the c:\Program Files X86\NVDA directory, replacing the file that was already there with the newly modified version. I was asked if I wanted to use automatic elevated priveledges to complete this task, and I said OK. The file was copied over successfully.

 

14. I restarted NVDA.

 

15. I pressed NVDA+CTRL+S to select synthesizer, and went to Accappella TTS. ON my end this loaded the Ella voice, which is fine, as she's exactly who I want to do this with.

 

15. I opened a blank file in Notepad, and in it, I typed:

 

#LAUGH01#

 

I tried this all the way up to 05, and it did absolutely no good. All she says is, number laugh 0 1  number.

 

I tried putting a space after this line of text, no good. I even tried a carriage return, but that didn't work either. No other text was on the same line. The whole document was totally empty except for this.

 

16. I tried

 

#COUGH05#

 

I wanted to make her cough as hard as she could, so I could really really hear it in case it was suttle. That didn't work. All I heard was number cough 05 number.

 

17. I also tried with

#CRY05#

 

No good.

 

I dono what on earth I did wrong!

 

I know some voices don't have all the sounds nor exclamations recorded, but unless I read it wrong, it looks like Ella should have all the above sounds included. I should note that the syntax of how I am writing these things in Notepad on a line all by themselves is: number sign, then in all caps, the sound name, like cough, for example, c o u g h, then no space after the letter h, 05, then another number sign.

 

I've tried putting a space after the first number sign before the letter C in cough. No good. I tried putting a space after the 5 in cough05, no good. I've put a space before the numbers 05, no good. I put a space on both sides, before the C, and after the 5 both. No good. I even did a space before the C, after the H, and after the 5 all 3. No good. Basically, long story short, I tried every combination under the fortunate sun!

 

I'm totally sure the voices are activated, and these voices are on version 1.49. I've tried all 5 levels of laugh, cough, cry, sneeze, breath, and even have tried CAR REVVING. I even tried all 5 of AARGH. No good.

 

Have tried with Ella, Will, Will Happy, Rosey, Amilio, Josh, and I think even Heather. I also tried with Mika.

 

I'm totally at a loss! I even did the sloppy work around by adding the actual number sign symbol to the temporary dictionary, and replacing with nothing more than a space character, then, setting the radio button cluster to Anywhere. That didn't do it either. That got rid of it saying number, but now, all I get is

 

Cry05

 

and that's it. No boo hoo hoo, no ha ha ha, no aaaaaaaaarg! Nothing.

 

I have some txt files of things I've written, and I really, really, really! would like to get these things working, as I think it would make reading the files really awesome, if I could get those codes to work.

 

If anyone's gotten this to work, then tell me step by step what to do. I have a backup copy of NVDA that I can revert back to if you'd like me to just start over totally fresh from before I ever started screwing with this, this way we're at ground square 1.

 

The more specific keystroke by keystroke you can be at telling me how to do this, the better. Please, be as specific as you can be. Trust me. The extral verbiage will not drive me crazy. Right now, I think I'm gonna need it.

 

Again, Windows 10 Home 64 bit, Accappella TTS for NVDA V 1.49, and NVDA 2016.4 official release.

 

Thank you profusely!

 

Chris.

 

First off, let me refer you to this link:

Hi all,

Control Usage Assistant add-on 2.4 just hit the air. This is mostly a localization update with some cleanups here and there.

I also hereby announce that Control Usage Assistant has entered end of support countdown. With the number of my add-on brainchildren expanding, academics and what not, I felt it is time to part ways with the current version of this add-on. Thankfully, Derek Riemer, a rising star in NVDA community, has agreed to take this add-on to the next level. I’m grateful for users of this add-on for giving me suggestions ,advice and encouragement for the last four years, and I learned a lot about NVDA add-ons world and screen reader development through this add-on (by the way, Control Usage Assistant is my first original add-on; released in 2013, it allows users to obtain help for controls).

For fans of this add-on, the download link is:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/controlUsageAssistant.en.html

Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph

Hi Joseph,.


I don't see this on the add on page. The latest I see if 2.1.



On 1/31/2017 11:24 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,



Control Usage Assistant add-on 2.4 just hit the air. This is mostly a
localization update with some cleanups here and there.



I also hereby announce that Control Usage Assistant has entered end
of support countdown. With the number of my add-on brainchildren
expanding, academics and what not, I felt it is time to part ways
with the current version of this add-on. Thankfully, Derek Riemer, a
rising star in NVDA community, has agreed to take this add-on to the
next level. I'm grateful for users of this add-on for giving me
suggestions ,advice and encouragement for the last four years, and I
learned a lot about NVDA add-ons world and screen reader development
through this add-on (by the way, Control Usage Assistant is my first
original add-on; released in 2013, it allows users to obtain help for

For fans of this add-on, the download link is:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/controlUsageAssistant.en.html



Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

Hi Joseph,.


I don't see this on the add on page. The latest I see if 2.1.



On 1/31/2017 11:24 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,



Control Usage Assistant add-on 2.4 just hit the air. This is mostly a
localization update with some cleanups here and there.



I also hereby announce that Control Usage Assistant has entered end of
support countdown. With the number of my add-on brainchildren
expanding, academics and what not, I felt it is time to part ways with
the current version of this add-on. Thankfully, Derek Riemer, a rising
star in NVDA community, has agreed to take this add-on to the next
level. I’m grateful for users of this add-on for giving me suggestions
,advice and encouragement for the last four years, and I learned a lot
about NVDA add-ons world and screen reader development through this
add-on (by the way, Control Usage Assistant is my first original
add-on; released in 2013, it allows users to obtain help for controls).



For fans of this add-on, the download link is:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/controlUsageAssistant.en.html



Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

Hi Joseph, Not sure if the mentioned site is down  I could not open it.Thanks!

Robert Mendoza

Hi,

Don’t worry about this for now – when you click that link, it’ll ask you to download version 2.4.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 9:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Control Usage Assistant 2.4 released, end of line for this add-on from Joseph's labs

 

Hi Joseph,.

 

I don't see this on the add on page. The latest I see if 2.1.

 

 

On 1/31/2017 11:24 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

 

Control Usage Assistant add-on 2.4 just hit the air. This is mostly a localization update with some cleanups here and there.

 

I also hereby announce that Control Usage Assistant has entered end of support countdown. With the number of my add-on brainchildren expanding, academics and what not, I felt it is time to part ways with the current version of this add-on. Thankfully, Derek Riemer, a rising star in NVDA community, has agreed to take this add-on to the next level. I’m grateful for users of this add-on for giving me suggestions ,advice and encouragement for the last four years, and I learned a lot about NVDA add-ons world and screen reader development through this add-on (by the way, Control Usage Assistant is my first original add-on; released in 2013, it allows users to obtain help for controls).

 

For fans of this add-on, the download link is:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/controlUsageAssistant.en.html

 

Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph

--

They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.

They ask: "How Happy are You?"

I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"