Date   

Re: nvda and browse mode

 

yes.
exactly.
i dont save any history, bookmark, password, cookies cashe etc.
when someone sees my firefox thinks that i installed it right now!

On 2/1/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I don't know what you mean by not saving anything. History doesn't slow
down a browser. I don't know if you use book marks but they don't slow down
a browser either. I see no reason to believe that allowing such things as
history or keeping book marks has anything to do with the problem. There
are some sites that Firefox is slower in. This is very likely the result of
a conflict between code on the site, Firefox and NVDA or some combination of
these things. History is very useful if you go to a site and later want to
return but didn't book mark it because you didn't think you'd want to.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 11:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and browse mode


hi again.
i set firefox that everytime i open it, its like a fresh install.
i dont save anything and its maybe the reason that firefox is very
fast and responsive for me.
i only use firefox and nvda not another browser and screen readers.
i use firefox 51 with nvda 2016.4 and its realy great!
thanks God and there developers and supporters!

On 2/1/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Perhaps a month ago, I said that I found Firefox to be slow on some sites
where whatever other browser I compared with wasn't. I believe I also
said
that it is my impression that this problem has expanded with Firefox,
that
it is slower on more sites than previously. Whether this is caused by
changes in Firefox or in NVDA, I don't know.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and browse mode


I'm having zero problems flying through all the fields and controls on
the
WalMart.com main page using NVDA 2016.4 and the Chrome Browser. However,
traversal of same controls are much slower under Firefox. I wouldn't
call
it a crawl, but even I notice an annoying lag. I have the latest versions
of
both browsers and am running Win10 Home 64-bit Build 14393.693

I've found over time that it's not at all unusual for a given screen
reader
to "not play well" with a given program so I always try to have an
alternative program, be that another screen reader or, as in this case,
web
browser, to work with.

If anyone wants me to do something to generate diagnostic information
I'll
be happy to do so.
--
Brian


If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached
to
something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you
have a legal mind.

~ Thomas Reed Powell






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Event: Site Maintenance, Thursday, 2 February 2017

 

This may end up coming out as an announcement on all groups, but since it hasn't yet I'm sharing it here.

There will be a planned outage on Groups.io tomorrow night.  Details are available on this Groups.io webpage.

--
Brian

    I don't find an uninformed hatred a "principled position" that I need to respect in any way.

        ~ Ellen Evans, soc.motss, 11/6/2004



Re: nvda and browse mode

Gene
 

I don't know what you mean by not saving anything.  History doesn't slow down a browser.  I don't know if you use book marks but they don't slow down a browser either.  I see no reason to believe that allowing such things as history or keeping book marks has anything to do with the problem.  There are some sites that Firefox is slower in.  This is very likely the result of a conflict between code on the site, Firefox and NVDA or some combination of these things.  History is very useful if you go to a site and later want to return but didn't book mark it because you didn't think you'd want to. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and browse mode

hi again.
i set firefox that everytime i open it, its like a fresh install.
i dont save anything and its maybe the reason that firefox is very
fast and responsive for me.
i only use firefox and nvda not another browser and screen readers.
i use firefox 51 with nvda 2016.4 and its realy great!
thanks God and there developers and supporters!

On 2/1/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> Perhaps a month ago, I said that I found Firefox to be slow on some sites
> where whatever other browser I compared with wasn't.  I believe I also said
> that it is my impression that this problem has expanded with Firefox, that
> it is slower on more sites than previously.  Whether this is caused by
> changes in Firefox or in NVDA, I don't know.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Brian Vogel
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:13 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and browse mode
>
>
> I'm having zero problems flying through all the fields and controls on the
> WalMart.com main page using NVDA 2016.4 and the Chrome Browser.  However,
> traversal of same controls are much slower under Firefox.  I wouldn't call
> it a crawl, but even I notice an annoying lag. I have the latest versions of
> both browsers and am running Win10 Home 64-bit Build 14393.693
>
> I've found over time that it's not at all unusual for a given screen reader
> to "not play well" with a given program so I always try to have an
> alternative program, be that another screen reader or, as in this case, web
> browser, to work with.
>
> If anyone wants me to do something to generate diagnostic information I'll
> be happy to do so.
> --
> Brian
>
>
>     If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to
> something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you
> have a legal mind.
>
>         ~ Thomas Reed Powell
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



Re: NVDA Jumps Around Randomly

Gary
 

As unlikely as it may have seemed, turning off mouse tracking seems to have resolved this issue.  This leads me to believe it's either my mouse, which is sitting untouched on my desk where it can't be bumped, or my PC's mouse controller or USB port.  I'm not too concerned, at least it is behaving now. :)  Thank you!


Re: nvda and browse mode

 

hi again.
i set firefox that everytime i open it, its like a fresh install.
i dont save anything and its maybe the reason that firefox is very
fast and responsive for me.
i only use firefox and nvda not another browser and screen readers.
i use firefox 51 with nvda 2016.4 and its realy great!
thanks God and there developers and supporters!

On 2/1/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Perhaps a month ago, I said that I found Firefox to be slow on some sites
where whatever other browser I compared with wasn't. I believe I also said
that it is my impression that this problem has expanded with Firefox, that
it is slower on more sites than previously. Whether this is caused by
changes in Firefox or in NVDA, I don't know.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and browse mode


I'm having zero problems flying through all the fields and controls on the
WalMart.com main page using NVDA 2016.4 and the Chrome Browser. However,
traversal of same controls are much slower under Firefox. I wouldn't call
it a crawl, but even I notice an annoying lag. I have the latest versions of
both browsers and am running Win10 Home 64-bit Build 14393.693

I've found over time that it's not at all unusual for a given screen reader
to "not play well" with a given program so I always try to have an
alternative program, be that another screen reader or, as in this case, web
browser, to work with.

If anyone wants me to do something to generate diagnostic information I'll
be happy to do so.
--
Brian


If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to
something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you
have a legal mind.

~ Thomas Reed Powell





--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: NVDA Jumps Around Randomly

Jacob Kruger
 

Sorry, and, probably not relevant at all, but, have in the past had guys working with a laptop's keyboard, and, their forearms brush against the touchpad occasionally, moving the cursor around?


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2017-02-01 17:48, Gene wrote:

Mouse tracking is on by default.  It has nothing to do with how NVDA works when you aren't using a physical mouse. 
 
Gene

From: Rui Fontes
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Jumps Around Randomly

Have you checked if Mouse tracking is on?

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Gary
Data: 1 de fevereiro de 2017 15:18
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] NVDA Jumps Around Randomly

A restart, which I did multiple times, definitely didn't help.  Thanks!
 





Re: nvda and browse mode

Gene
 

Perhaps a month ago, I said that I found Firefox to be slow on some sites where whatever other browser I compared with wasn't.  I believe I also said that it is my impression that this problem has expanded with Firefox, that it is slower on more sites than previously.  Whether this is caused by changes in Firefox or in NVDA, I don't know. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and browse mode

I'm having zero problems flying through all the fields and controls on the WalMart.com main page using NVDA 2016.4 and the Chrome Browser.  However, traversal of same controls are much slower under Firefox.  I wouldn't call it a crawl, but even I notice an annoying lag. I have the latest versions of both browsers and am running Win10 Home 64-bit Build 14393.693

I've found over time that it's not at all unusual for a given screen reader to "not play well" with a given program so I always try to have an alternative program, be that another screen reader or, as in this case, web browser, to work with.

If anyone wants me to do something to generate diagnostic information I'll be happy to do so.
--
Brian

    If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell



Re: NVDA Jumps Around Randomly

Gene
 

I don't know what happens when using a touch screen. 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Rui Fontes
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Jumps Around Randomly

In Windows 10, with a touch screen, it have happened to me...

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Gene
Data: 1 de fevereiro de 2017 15:48
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] NVDA Jumps Around Randomly


Mouse tracking is on by default.  It has nothing to do with how NVDA works
when you aren't using a physical mouse.

Gene

From: Rui Fontes
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 9:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Jumps Around Randomly

Have you checked if Mouse tracking is on?

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Gary
Data: 1 de fevereiro de 2017 15:18
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] NVDA Jumps Around Randomly

A restart, which I did multiple times, definitely didn't help.  Thanks!





 




Re: nvda and browse mode

 

I'm having zero problems flying through all the fields and controls on the WalMart.com main page using NVDA 2016.4 and the Chrome Browser.  However, traversal of same controls are much slower under Firefox.  I wouldn't call it a crawl, but even I notice an annoying lag. I have the latest versions of both browsers and am running Win10 Home 64-bit Build 14393.693

I've found over time that it's not at all unusual for a given screen reader to "not play well" with a given program so I always try to have an alternative program, be that another screen reader or, as in this case, web browser, to work with.

If anyone wants me to do something to generate diagnostic information I'll be happy to do so.
--
Brian

    If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell



Re: nvda and browse mode

 

did you have this problem with other websites?

On 2/1/17, Andre Fisher <andrefisher729@...> wrote:
Could you please state the browser you are currently using? How about a
log?

On 2/1/17, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hi.
i had this problem before.
completely uninstalled nvda and reinstalled again.
my problem is solved now and nvda works great!
but i dont know which browser do you use.
i am only satisfied with nvda and firefox and never dont use another
browsers.

On 2/1/17, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:
I am using latest NVDA 2016.4. on the walmart website NVDA slows to a
crawl, while jaws18 demo is very fast and snappy and works fine. I would
like to ask the NVDA devs to re-write browse mode when they get a chance
to NVDA is fast and snappy as well, like jaws is. If it would not have
been for jaws, as my secondary backup screen reader, I couldn't have
placed my order on walmart's website. Hopefully NVDA will fix the
sluggish browse mode soon.


thanks


Josh






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org





--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: NVDA Jumps Around Randomly

Rui Fontes
 

In Windows 10, with a touch screen, it have happened to me...

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Gene
Data: 1 de fevereiro de 2017 15:48
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] NVDA Jumps Around Randomly


Mouse tracking is on by default. It has nothing to do with how NVDA works when you aren't using a physical mouse.

Gene

From: Rui Fontes
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 9:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Jumps Around Randomly

Have you checked if Mouse tracking is on?

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Gary
Data: 1 de fevereiro de 2017 15:18
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] NVDA Jumps Around Randomly

A restart, which I did multiple times, definitely didn't help. Thanks!


Re: NVDA Jumps Around Randomly

Gene
 

Mouse tracking is on by default.  It has nothing to do with how NVDA works when you aren't using a physical mouse. 
 
Gene

From: Rui Fontes
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Jumps Around Randomly

Have you checked if Mouse tracking is on?

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Gary
Data: 1 de fevereiro de 2017 15:18
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] NVDA Jumps Around Randomly

A restart, which I did multiple times, definitely didn't help.  Thanks!
 




Re: NVDA Jumps Around Randomly

Rui Fontes
 

Have you checked if Mouse tracking is on?

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Gary
Data: 1 de fevereiro de 2017 15:18
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] NVDA Jumps Around Randomly

A restart, which I did multiple times, definitely didn't help. Thanks!


Re: NVDA Jumps Around Randomly

Gary
 

A restart, which I did multiple times, definitely didn't help.  Thanks!


Re: nvda and browse mode

Andre Fisher
 

Could you please state the browser you are currently using? How about a log?

On 2/1/17, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hi.
i had this problem before.
completely uninstalled nvda and reinstalled again.
my problem is solved now and nvda works great!
but i dont know which browser do you use.
i am only satisfied with nvda and firefox and never dont use another
browsers.

On 2/1/17, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:
I am using latest NVDA 2016.4. on the walmart website NVDA slows to a
crawl, while jaws18 demo is very fast and snappy and works fine. I would
like to ask the NVDA devs to re-write browse mode when they get a chance
to NVDA is fast and snappy as well, like jaws is. If it would not have
been for jaws, as my secondary backup screen reader, I couldn't have
placed my order on walmart's website. Hopefully NVDA will fix the
sluggish browse mode soon.


thanks


Josh






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




Re: nvda and browse mode

Gene
 

This appears to be a problem only with one web site, as described.  it isn't clear to me that anything need be done.  If others report the problem or if the developers can replicate it, work may need to be done to keep NVDA and code on the page from interferring with each other.  There may be some other pages where this problem occurs, since it occurs on one page.  But I don't think tinkering with NVDA is worth doing at this point.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and browse mode

hi.
i had this problem before.
completely uninstalled nvda and reinstalled again.
my problem is solved now and nvda works great!
but i dont know which browser do you use.
i am only satisfied with nvda and firefox and never dont use another browsers.

On 2/1/17, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:
> I am using latest NVDA 2016.4. on the walmart website NVDA slows to a
> crawl, while jaws18 demo is very fast and snappy and works fine. I would
> like to ask the NVDA devs to re-write browse mode when they get a chance
> to NVDA is fast and snappy as well, like jaws is. If it would not have
> been for jaws, as my secondary backup screen reader, I couldn't have
> placed my order on walmart's website. Hopefully NVDA will fix the
> sluggish browse mode soon.
>
>
> thanks
>
>
> Josh
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



Re: new member and a few questions

 

hi again.
copy documents without addon only works with html files.
i mean when you are in one browser, select parts of page and then
press control+c to copy your selection, nvda announces copy.
i did not see this addon in the official nvda addons website and i
myself, dont use any addon.
nvda is very perfect even without addon!
i dont remember its name.

On 2/1/17, Dan Thompson <dmt031073@...> wrote:
Yes your advice did help. However, where do I go to make the change
regarding backstage?

Thank you very much.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin
Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 10:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new member and a few questions



Hi Dan,



Welcome to the group!



Re "Line feed", what program are you in when it announces that? For me, in
most programs, it doesn't necessarily announce anything when I press ENTER,
but as I left or right arrow through the text it announces line feed when it
gets to where I pressed enter? This is to indicate that it was a deliberate
press of ENTER and not just reaching the right margin for instance.


You can set NVDA to "Speak command keys" by pressing NVDA+4 or from NVDA's
keyboard preferences dialog. This will announce "ENTER" when you press that
key. Note that it will also announce things like "CONTROL+RIGHT ARROW" as
you move by word, "NVDA+END" before reading the status bar and so on.



Re saving files. Again in word, if I press control+s, NVDA reads:

"ctrl+s

Save As tab selected Save As Alt, F, A " That is using the default
setup of Word showing the "backstage". If I set it up to go straight to the
save as dialog (file - options - save then check "Don't show the backstage
when opening or saving files".



If I have it set to go straight to the save as dialog, I get:



"ctrl+s

Save As dialog File name: File name:

Save as type: Save as type:

File name: combo box collapsed

edit Alt+n

selected some filename.docx"

Which is exactly the same if I press f12.



In Wordpad, when I press control+s, I get:



"ctrl+s

Save As dialog

File name: combo box collapsed

edit Alt+n

selected Document.rtf

"



In Notepad I get:



"ctrl+s

Save As dialog File name: File name:

Save as type: Save as type:

File name: combo box collapsed

edit Alt+n

selected *.txt"





Not sure if that helps though?



Regards


Quentin.





On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 2:02 PM, Dan Thompson <dmt031073@...> wrote:

First I am very greatful for this list and all the work
developers have put into NVDA.

Q1. Instead of announcing “line feed”, Is it possible to cause NVDA to
announce new line or blank when pressing enter to move to a new line?



Q2. Recently NVDA in my class room will not say “file name” when pressing
control + s when saving file for the first time.

NVDA will not say “save as” when pressing f12.



When we press control + c or control + v, NVDA does not announce,

“copy” or “paste.” Is there some setting that is not correct?

Thanks for reading this long email and thanks in advance for your
assistance.





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and hatred with love.” —Peace Pilgrim



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Re: NVDA Jumps Around Randomly

 

hi.
for me this problem sometimes happens.
i restart nvda to solve it and it works in more than 99.99% of times.

On 2/1/17, Gary <ironmangary@...> wrote:
I am using the latest version of NVDA (2016-4) on Windows 10, and have
been for several months now. I started experiencing a rather strange
and annoying behavior today, seemingly out of nowhere. I hope I can
properly describe it.

The only way I can describe what NVDA is doing is that it randomly
reads a different line of whatever application I am in. It reads the
one I want correctly, but will also read a line I'm not even on. For
example, conveniently, as I was typing the previous sentence, NVDA
read the first line in my edit window.

I have noticed this behavior in pretty much every program I use,
including Firefox, Internet Explorer, Notepad, Thunderbird, and
Chicken Nugget. I am loathed to reinstall from scratch, considering I
have made a lot of configuration changes, so I would appreciate any
advice. If there is debugging I can enable or whatever, I am happy to
do so.

I should also mention that I initially thought this could be something
funky with my keyboard, but I switched to JAWS, which I used in the
past, but it didn't occur then.

Thanks,

Gary



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: nvda and browse mode

 

hi.
i had this problem before.
completely uninstalled nvda and reinstalled again.
my problem is solved now and nvda works great!
but i dont know which browser do you use.
i am only satisfied with nvda and firefox and never dont use another browsers.

On 2/1/17, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:
I am using latest NVDA 2016.4. on the walmart website NVDA slows to a
crawl, while jaws18 demo is very fast and snappy and works fine. I would
like to ask the NVDA devs to re-write browse mode when they get a chance
to NVDA is fast and snappy as well, like jaws is. If it would not have
been for jaws, as my secondary backup screen reader, I couldn't have
placed my order on walmart's website. Hopefully NVDA will fix the
sluggish browse mode soon.


thanks


Josh





--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


nvda and browse mode

Josh Kennedy
 

I am using latest NVDA 2016.4. on the walmart website NVDA slows to a crawl, while jaws18 demo is very fast and snappy and works fine. I would like to ask the NVDA devs to re-write browse mode when they get a chance to NVDA is fast and snappy as well, like jaws is. If it would not have been for jaws, as my secondary backup screen reader, I couldn't have placed my order on walmart's website. Hopefully NVDA will fix the sluggish browse mode soon.


thanks


Josh