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Keystroke in selecting folder in creating Filter in Thunderbird

Robert Mendoza
 

I would like to ask what is the key combination specifically when moving or creating to choose a folder once you've create filter in Mozilla Thunderbird. I already created folder to my inbox however, I could not or it keeps me prompted me to choose the folder to move the email message. I've done this before but I almost forgot the keystroke that being used before on my old desktop because I am setting up the Thunderbird to my new machine. I appreciate your response. Thanks!

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Robert Mendoza


Re: Command questions

Greg Rhodes
 

Thanks guys. Really appreciate the help.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 1, 2017, at 4:27 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I'm not sure that all screen-readers support autocomplete in Windows Live Mail.  When I start a new message, I use control n when starting a new message, I am in the address field.  I shift tab once press the button with the space bar that says something like add a contact, then type part of what I want.  The more I type, the fewer results and the more restrictive the search is. 
 
Down arrow to the result you want.  Arrowing to it selects it.  Pressing space bar is redundant.
Then, instead of tabbing to different fields in the dialog. alt t places the address in the to field.  Alt o activates the ok button.
So the procedure is:
Once you have activated the search for contacts button, type whatever you want.
Down arrow to the result you want.
Then issue the commands alt t followed by alt o.
You are now back in the to line and the contact is there.
 
When you use alt t and alt o, you must hold alt while typing t and o.  these are short cut commands in the dialog and alt must be held when executing short cut commands reliably in dialogs.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Command questions

Greg,

          What version of WLM are you using?  In WLM 2012 when I use the Contacts button it opens the Contacts dialog with me in the quick search box where I can type a character or characters to limit the contacts that will be shown below.  For example, when I enter "vog" in that box I get nothing but other Vogels that are in my contacts in the list immediately below.  If I down arrow into the list I can go through those to find the right one.  Of course, if you know something distinctive about either the display name or e-mail address of the person you're trying to find and enter that in the search box you should get a single result you can down arrow to get to it.  You must then select the contact (I hit space bar to do this) then I tab to the "To" button and activate it.  This places that contact in the "To" field on your e-mail message but you will not be back in the message compose window until you hit the OK button to get all of the contacts you may have collected via repeated search-select-activate to button iterations placed in the To field in the compose window.

Personally, I generally find it easier to type out enough of the recipient's name in the actual "To:" field such that I know the contact is showing in the dropdown that gets created and just tabbing to accept that contact.  If, by chance, you haven't typed enough and you snag the wrong contact, a single backspace removes it and you can start again.
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Re: new member and a few questions

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Dan,

The change re backstage is in Office 2013 / 2016.  It might be in slightly different places in different office programs and versions, I'm using Word 2016:

1. In Word, Press ALT+F for the file menu.
2. Press T for options.
3. Press CONTROL+TAB three times to get to the "save" settings.
4. Press alt+s or tab until the focus is on "Don't show the backstage when opening or saving files".
5. Press spacebar to check or uncheck this option (checked = you will get the traditional file open / save dialog when you press control+o or control+s, unchecked = you get the new backstage pane).
6. Press ENTER to save the changes and close the dialog.  That should then work in the other office programs as well.

For your other question about add-ons, official NVDA add-ons are available from: https://addons.nvda-project.org/index.en.html  Once you download one, open the NVDA tools menu, press NVDA+N then t, then a to open the add-ons manager and you can install the add-on from there.

Kind regards

Quentin.



On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:10 PM, Dan Thompson <dmt031073@...> wrote:

Yes your advice did help.  However, where do I go to make the change regarding backstage?

Thank you very much.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 10:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new member and a few questions

 

Hi Dan,

 

Welcome to the group!

 

Re "Line feed", what program are you in when it announces that?  For me, in most programs, it doesn't necessarily announce anything when I press ENTER, but as I left or right arrow through the text it announces line feed when it gets to where I pressed enter?  This is to indicate that it was a deliberate press of ENTER and not just reaching the right margin for instance.


You can set NVDA to "Speak command keys" by pressing NVDA+4 or from NVDA's keyboard preferences dialog.  This will announce "ENTER" when you press that key.  Note that it will also announce things like "CONTROL+RIGHT ARROW" as you move by word, "NVDA+END" before reading the status bar and so on.

 

Re saving files.  Again in word, if I press control+s, NVDA reads:

"ctrl+s

Save As  tab  selected  Save As  Alt, F, A  "  That is using the default setup of Word showing the "backstage".  If I set it up to go straight to the save as dialog (file - options - save then check "Don't show the backstage when opening or saving files".

 

If I have it set to go straight to the save as dialog, I get:

 

"ctrl+s

Save As  dialog  File name: File name:

Save as type: Save as type:

File name:  combo box  collapsed

edit  Alt+n

selected some filename.docx"

Which is exactly the same if I press f12.

 

In Wordpad, when I press control+s, I get:

 

"ctrl+s

Save As  dialog

File name:  combo box  collapsed

edit  Alt+n

selected Document.rtf

"

 

In Notepad I get:

 

"ctrl+s

Save As  dialog  File name: File name:

Save as type: Save as type:

File name:  combo box  collapsed

edit  Alt+n

selected *.txt"

 

 

Not sure if that helps though?

 

Regards


Quentin.

 

 

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 2:02 PM, Dan Thompson <dmt031073@...> wrote:

                First I am very greatful for this list and all the work developers have put into NVDA.

Q1. Instead of announcing “line feed”, Is it possible to cause NVDA to announce new line or blank when pressing enter to move to a new line?

 

Q2.  Recently NVDA in my class room will not say “file name” when pressing control + s when saving  file for the first time.

NVDA will not say “save as” when pressing f12.

 

When we press control + c or control + v, NVDA  does not announce,

“copy” or “paste.” Is there some setting that is not correct?

Thanks for reading this long email and thanks in advance for your assistance.

 

 

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Re: Command questions

Gene
 

I'm not sure that all screen-readers support autocomplete in Windows Live Mail.  When I start a new message, I use control n when starting a new message, I am in the address field.  I shift tab once press the button with the space bar that says something like add a contact, then type part of what I want.  The more I type, the fewer results and the more restrictive the search is. 
 
Down arrow to the result you want.  Arrowing to it selects it.  Pressing space bar is redundant.
Then, instead of tabbing to different fields in the dialog. alt t places the address in the to field.  Alt o activates the ok button.
So the procedure is:
Once you have activated the search for contacts button, type whatever you want.
Down arrow to the result you want.
Then issue the commands alt t followed by alt o.
You are now back in the to line and the contact is there.
 
When you use alt t and alt o, you must hold alt while typing t and o.  these are short cut commands in the dialog and alt must be held when executing short cut commands reliably in dialogs.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Command questions

Greg,

          What version of WLM are you using?  In WLM 2012 when I use the Contacts button it opens the Contacts dialog with me in the quick search box where I can type a character or characters to limit the contacts that will be shown below.  For example, when I enter "vog" in that box I get nothing but other Vogels that are in my contacts in the list immediately below.  If I down arrow into the list I can go through those to find the right one.  Of course, if you know something distinctive about either the display name or e-mail address of the person you're trying to find and enter that in the search box you should get a single result you can down arrow to get to it.  You must then select the contact (I hit space bar to do this) then I tab to the "To" button and activate it.  This places that contact in the "To" field on your e-mail message but you will not be back in the message compose window until you hit the OK button to get all of the contacts you may have collected via repeated search-select-activate to button iterations placed in the To field in the compose window.

Personally, I generally find it easier to type out enough of the recipient's name in the actual "To:" field such that I know the contact is showing in the dropdown that gets created and just tabbing to accept that contact.  If, by chance, you haven't typed enough and you snag the wrong contact, a single backspace removes it and you can start again.
--
Brian

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        ~ Ellen Evans, soc.motss, 11/6/2004



Re: Command questions

Gene
 

What happens when you have fifty or one-hundred favorites in Internet Explorer. Down arrowing through a list of anything that is at all large is inefficient unless what you are looking for is almost the first item in the list.  Do you use first letter navigation to find files or folders in Windows Explorer or My Computer?  It is faster to use alt a, as I said, then use first letter navigation.  If the favorite starts with the letter e, then alt a followed by e until you get to the item is much faster than down arrowing through a long list of items.  If you just added the favorite, the fastest way to get to it would be alt a, then up arrow once or twice.  If you only have a small number of favorites or book marks now, you may not realize how inefficient your method is.
 
Gene 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Command questions

Thanks Gene. In Internet Explorer, it looks like hitting F6 until I hear “Favorites Bar” and then arrowing down to the Favorite I want is a quick way for me to find the favorite site I want. In Firefox, I’m liking the Control/I command you suggested.
 
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Command questions
 
There are no ribbons in those browsers.  They are menus.  Ribbons are found in certain Microsoft programs and in Windows 10.  I'm not sure about Windows 8.
 
I don't know about later versions of Internet Explorer.  But in version 8, use f6 to move through different parts of the window to a favorites tool bar button.  Press enter and the favorites list will open.  I don't see much reason to use it.  It does appear to remember and return you to the last favorite you stopped on, which may be a convenience if you have a lot of favorites but that may be canceled out by pressing f6 repeatedly to get to the tool bar and it wouldn't mean much if you didn't want to use the same favorite at that time.
 
I didn't look much at the tool bar in Firefox.  It doesn't look to me as though there is any advantage in using it, at least for a blind user.
 
I shall explain how to use favorites and book marks without using the tool bar in both browsers. 
Put the favorites in the favorites or book marks menu and find them in ways I'll explain.
 
To add a favorite, control d is a convenient way.  It opens the add a favorite dialog.
If you put a Favorite in the Internet Explorer favorites menu, than when you open the favorites menu with alt a. the favorite will be found by up arrowing once or twice.  Favorites are add in that order. 
You can also find the favorite by opening the favorites menu, alt a, and pressing the first letter until you get to it. 
 
In Firefox, you can save bookmarks, what Firefox calls favorites, by using the same command, control d.
You open the book marks menu with the command alt b.
You can find bookmarks in the same ways I described earlier.  But there is a very good find feature in Firefox as well. 
From the main window, you can open the find feature with control I.  You are in a search field.  Type as little or as much of the bookmark's name as you want to find.  If, for example, you type York, you will see any book mark with the word York in it.  If you type more of the name, the search will show increasingly limited results as it shows only names with all the words you type.
 
After you type something like York, tab once to the list.  Look for what you want and press enter.
The page will load.  Once the page loads, use the command control I again to toggle off the search.  You won't hear any speech but the search will no longer be displayed.  When you want to use the search again, use the same command to turn it on again.
I don't know if you can use first letter navigation in the list of search results.  You can use it in the bookkmarks menu.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
 
From: Greg Rhodes
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 2:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Command questions
 
I have a couple of NVDA command questions. First, I have some websites in a Favorites bar at the top of my browsers (Internet Explorer and Firefox). Is there an NVDA shortcut to get to them. When I go through the ribbon, it looks like they are in the “bookmarks toolbar”. Is there a shortcut to get to them without navigating through  several ribbon toolbar levels?
 
Second, when I’m composing a new email in Windows Live Mail, I go to the “To” button, do a Shift/Tab and hit Enter to open my “Contacts” list. I’m able to arrow through them one at a time but can I enter the first letter of a name to get close to the contact and then arrow down to it? Do I then hit Enter to select it and have it show up in the “To” box? I’m not having luck trying options to get this done.
 
Thanks
greg


Re: Command questions

 

Greg,

          What version of WLM are you using?  In WLM 2012 when I use the Contacts button it opens the Contacts dialog with me in the quick search box where I can type a character or characters to limit the contacts that will be shown below.  For example, when I enter "vog" in that box I get nothing but other Vogels that are in my contacts in the list immediately below.  If I down arrow into the list I can go through those to find the right one.  Of course, if you know something distinctive about either the display name or e-mail address of the person you're trying to find and enter that in the search box you should get a single result you can down arrow to get to it.  You must then select the contact (I hit space bar to do this) then I tab to the "To" button and activate it.  This places that contact in the "To" field on your e-mail message but you will not be back in the message compose window until you hit the OK button to get all of the contacts you may have collected via repeated search-select-activate to button iterations placed in the To field in the compose window.

Personally, I generally find it easier to type out enough of the recipient's name in the actual "To:" field such that I know the contact is showing in the dropdown that gets created and just tabbing to accept that contact.  If, by chance, you haven't typed enough and you snag the wrong contact, a single backspace removes it and you can start again.
--
Brian

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        ~ Ellen Evans, soc.motss, 11/6/2004



Re: Command questions

Greg Rhodes
 

Thanks Gene. In Internet Explorer, it looks like hitting F6 until I hear “Favorites Bar” and then arrowing down to the Favorite I want is a quick way for me to find the favorite site I want. In Firefox, I’m liking the Control/I command you suggested.
 

From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 3:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Command questions
 
There are no ribbons in those browsers.  They are menus.  Ribbons are found in certain Microsoft programs and in Windows 10.  I'm not sure about Windows 8.
 
I don't know about later versions of Internet Explorer.  But in version 8, use f6 to move through different parts of the window to a favorites tool bar button.  Press enter and the favorites list will open.  I don't see much reason to use it.  It does appear to remember and return you to the last favorite you stopped on, which may be a convenience if you have a lot of favorites but that may be canceled out by pressing f6 repeatedly to get to the tool bar and it wouldn't mean much if you didn't want to use the same favorite at that time.
 
I didn't look much at the tool bar in Firefox.  It doesn't look to me as though there is any advantage in using it, at least for a blind user.
 
I shall explain how to use favorites and book marks without using the tool bar in both browsers. 
Put the favorites in the favorites or book marks menu and find them in ways I'll explain.
 
To add a favorite, control d is a convenient way.  It opens the add a favorite dialog.
If you put a Favorite in the Internet Explorer favorites menu, than when you open the favorites menu with alt a. the favorite will be found by up arrowing once or twice.  Favorites are add in that order. 
You can also find the favorite by opening the favorites menu, alt a, and pressing the first letter until you get to it. 
 
In Firefox, you can save bookmarks, what Firefox calls favorites, by using the same command, control d.
You open the book marks menu with the command alt b.
You can find bookmarks in the same ways I described earlier.  But there is a very good find feature in Firefox as well. 
From the main window, you can open the find feature with control I.  You are in a search field.  Type as little or as much of the bookmark's name as you want to find.  If, for example, you type York, you will see any book mark with the word York in it.  If you type more of the name, the search will show increasingly limited results as it shows only names with all the words you type.
 
After you type something like York, tab once to the list.  Look for what you want and press enter.
The page will load.  Once the page loads, use the command control I again to toggle off the search.  You won't hear any speech but the search will no longer be displayed.  When you want to use the search again, use the same command to turn it on again.
I don't know if you can use first letter navigation in the list of search results.  You can use it in the bookkmarks menu.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
 
From: Greg Rhodes
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 2:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Command questions
 
I have a couple of NVDA command questions. First, I have some websites in a Favorites bar at the top of my browsers (Internet Explorer and Firefox). Is there an NVDA shortcut to get to them. When I go through the ribbon, it looks like they are in the “bookmarks toolbar”. Is there a shortcut to get to them without navigating through  several ribbon toolbar levels?
 
Second, when I’m composing a new email in Windows Live Mail, I go to the “To” button, do a Shift/Tab and hit Enter to open my “Contacts” list. I’m able to arrow through them one at a time but can I enter the first letter of a name to get close to the contact and then arrow down to it? Do I then hit Enter to select it and have it show up in the “To” box? I’m not having luck trying options to get this done.
 
Thanks
greg


Re: Command questions

Gene
 

There are no ribbons in those browsers.  They are menus.  Ribbons are found in certain Microsoft programs and in Windows 10.  I'm not sure about Windows 8.
 
I don't know about later versions of Internet Explorer.  But in version 8, use f6 to move through different parts of the window to a favorites tool bar button.  Press enter and the favorites list will open.  I don't see much reason to use it.  It does appear to remember and return you to the last favorite you stopped on, which may be a convenience if you have a lot of favorites but that may be canceled out by pressing f6 repeatedly to get to the tool bar and it wouldn't mean much if you didn't want to use the same favorite at that time.
 
I didn't look much at the tool bar in Firefox.  It doesn't look to me as though there is any advantage in using it, at least for a blind user.
 
I shall explain how to use favorites and book marks without using the tool bar in both browsers. 
Put the favorites in the favorites or book marks menu and find them in ways I'll explain.
 
To add a favorite, control d is a convenient way.  It opens the add a favorite dialog.
If you put a Favorite in the Internet Explorer favorites menu, than when you open the favorites menu with alt a. the favorite will be found by up arrowing once or twice.  Favorites are add in that order. 
You can also find the favorite by opening the favorites menu, alt a, and pressing the first letter until you get to it. 
 
In Firefox, you can save bookmarks, what Firefox calls favorites, by using the same command, control d.
You open the book marks menu with the command alt b.
You can find bookmarks in the same ways I described earlier.  But there is a very good find feature in Firefox as well. 
From the main window, you can open the find feature with control I.  You are in a search field.  Type as little or as much of the bookmark's name as you want to find.  If, for example, you type York, you will see any book mark with the word York in it.  If you type more of the name, the search will show increasingly limited results as it shows only names with all the words you type.
 
After you type something like York, tab once to the list.  Look for what you want and press enter.
The page will load.  Once the page loads, use the command control I again to toggle off the search.  You won't hear any speech but the search will no longer be displayed.  When you want to use the search again, use the same command to turn it on again.
I don't know if you can use first letter navigation in the list of search results.  You can use it in the bookkmarks menu.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 2:29 PM
Subject: [nvda] Command questions

I have a couple of NVDA command questions. First, I have some websites in a Favorites bar at the top of my browsers (Internet Explorer and Firefox). Is there an NVDA shortcut to get to them. When I go through the ribbon, it looks like they are in the “bookmarks toolbar”. Is there a shortcut to get to them without navigating through  several ribbon toolbar levels?
 
Second, when I’m composing a new email in Windows Live Mail, I go to the “To” button, do a Shift/Tab and hit Enter to open my “Contacts” list. I’m able to arrow through them one at a time but can I enter the first letter of a name to get close to the contact and then arrow down to it? Do I then hit Enter to select it and have it show up in the “To” box? I’m not having luck trying options to get this done.
 
Thanks
greg


Command questions

Greg Rhodes
 

I have a couple of NVDA command questions. First, I have some websites in a Favorites bar at the top of my browsers (Internet Explorer and Firefox). Is there an NVDA shortcut to get to them. When I go through the ribbon, it looks like they are in the “bookmarks toolbar”. Is there a shortcut to get to them without navigating through  several ribbon toolbar levels?
 
Second, when I’m composing a new email in Windows Live Mail, I go to the “To” button, do a Shift/Tab and hit Enter to open my “Contacts” list. I’m able to arrow through them one at a time but can I enter the first letter of a name to get close to the contact and then arrow down to it? Do I then hit Enter to select it and have it show up in the “To” box? I’m not having luck trying options to get this done.
 
Thanks
greg


Re: NVDA Jumps Around Randomly

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi gary


A couple of things come to mind.


One is the mouse could be on its way out. I had a mouse even when not
touched would move across the screen etc. The mouse ended up been faulty.


the second is if mouse tracking is turned on you can turn it off with
the nvda key + letter M

When it is on it will speak what is under the mouse.


The other thing that could be happening is on laptops they have a touch
mouse pad and people will hit them from time to time. I am pretty sure
it can be disabled under the system then device manager section. Just
look for one that refers to touch.


Gene nz

On 1/02/2017 6:24 PM, Gary wrote:
I am using the latest version of NVDA (2016-4) on Windows 10, and have
been for several months now. I started experiencing a rather strange
and annoying behavior today, seemingly out of nowhere. I hope I can
properly describe it.

The only way I can describe what NVDA is doing is that it randomly
reads a different line of whatever application I am in. It reads the
one I want correctly, but will also read a line I'm not even on. For
example, conveniently, as I was typing the previous sentence, NVDA
read the first line in my edit window.

I have noticed this behavior in pretty much every program I use,
including Firefox, Internet Explorer, Notepad, Thunderbird, and
Chicken Nugget. I am loathed to reinstall from scratch, considering I
have made a lot of configuration changes, so I would appreciate any
advice. If there is debugging I can enable or whatever, I am happy to
do so.

I should also mention that I initially thought this could be something
funky with my keyboard, but I switched to JAWS, which I used in the
past, but it didn't occur then.

Thanks,

Gary


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Re: nvda and browse mode

 

yes.
exactly.
i dont save any history, bookmark, password, cookies cashe etc.
when someone sees my firefox thinks that i installed it right now!

On 2/1/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I don't know what you mean by not saving anything. History doesn't slow
down a browser. I don't know if you use book marks but they don't slow down
a browser either. I see no reason to believe that allowing such things as
history or keeping book marks has anything to do with the problem. There
are some sites that Firefox is slower in. This is very likely the result of
a conflict between code on the site, Firefox and NVDA or some combination of
these things. History is very useful if you go to a site and later want to
return but didn't book mark it because you didn't think you'd want to.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 11:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and browse mode


hi again.
i set firefox that everytime i open it, its like a fresh install.
i dont save anything and its maybe the reason that firefox is very
fast and responsive for me.
i only use firefox and nvda not another browser and screen readers.
i use firefox 51 with nvda 2016.4 and its realy great!
thanks God and there developers and supporters!

On 2/1/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Perhaps a month ago, I said that I found Firefox to be slow on some sites
where whatever other browser I compared with wasn't. I believe I also
said
that it is my impression that this problem has expanded with Firefox,
that
it is slower on more sites than previously. Whether this is caused by
changes in Firefox or in NVDA, I don't know.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and browse mode


I'm having zero problems flying through all the fields and controls on
the
WalMart.com main page using NVDA 2016.4 and the Chrome Browser. However,
traversal of same controls are much slower under Firefox. I wouldn't
call
it a crawl, but even I notice an annoying lag. I have the latest versions
of
both browsers and am running Win10 Home 64-bit Build 14393.693

I've found over time that it's not at all unusual for a given screen
reader
to "not play well" with a given program so I always try to have an
alternative program, be that another screen reader or, as in this case,
web
browser, to work with.

If anyone wants me to do something to generate diagnostic information
I'll
be happy to do so.
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best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Event: Site Maintenance, Thursday, 2 February 2017

 

This may end up coming out as an announcement on all groups, but since it hasn't yet I'm sharing it here.

There will be a planned outage on Groups.io tomorrow night.  Details are available on this Groups.io webpage.

--
Brian

    I don't find an uninformed hatred a "principled position" that I need to respect in any way.

        ~ Ellen Evans, soc.motss, 11/6/2004



Re: nvda and browse mode

Gene
 

I don't know what you mean by not saving anything.  History doesn't slow down a browser.  I don't know if you use book marks but they don't slow down a browser either.  I see no reason to believe that allowing such things as history or keeping book marks has anything to do with the problem.  There are some sites that Firefox is slower in.  This is very likely the result of a conflict between code on the site, Firefox and NVDA or some combination of these things.  History is very useful if you go to a site and later want to return but didn't book mark it because you didn't think you'd want to. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and browse mode

hi again.
i set firefox that everytime i open it, its like a fresh install.
i dont save anything and its maybe the reason that firefox is very
fast and responsive for me.
i only use firefox and nvda not another browser and screen readers.
i use firefox 51 with nvda 2016.4 and its realy great!
thanks God and there developers and supporters!

On 2/1/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> Perhaps a month ago, I said that I found Firefox to be slow on some sites
> where whatever other browser I compared with wasn't.  I believe I also said
> that it is my impression that this problem has expanded with Firefox, that
> it is slower on more sites than previously.  Whether this is caused by
> changes in Firefox or in NVDA, I don't know.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Brian Vogel
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:13 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and browse mode
>
>
> I'm having zero problems flying through all the fields and controls on the
> WalMart.com main page using NVDA 2016.4 and the Chrome Browser.  However,
> traversal of same controls are much slower under Firefox.  I wouldn't call
> it a crawl, but even I notice an annoying lag. I have the latest versions of
> both browsers and am running Win10 Home 64-bit Build 14393.693
>
> I've found over time that it's not at all unusual for a given screen reader
> to "not play well" with a given program so I always try to have an
> alternative program, be that another screen reader or, as in this case, web
> browser, to work with.
>
> If anyone wants me to do something to generate diagnostic information I'll
> be happy to do so.
> --
> Brian
>
>
>     If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to
> something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you
> have a legal mind.
>
>         ~ Thomas Reed Powell
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



Re: NVDA Jumps Around Randomly

Gary
 

As unlikely as it may have seemed, turning off mouse tracking seems to have resolved this issue.  This leads me to believe it's either my mouse, which is sitting untouched on my desk where it can't be bumped, or my PC's mouse controller or USB port.  I'm not too concerned, at least it is behaving now. :)  Thank you!


Re: nvda and browse mode

 

hi again.
i set firefox that everytime i open it, its like a fresh install.
i dont save anything and its maybe the reason that firefox is very
fast and responsive for me.
i only use firefox and nvda not another browser and screen readers.
i use firefox 51 with nvda 2016.4 and its realy great!
thanks God and there developers and supporters!

On 2/1/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Perhaps a month ago, I said that I found Firefox to be slow on some sites
where whatever other browser I compared with wasn't. I believe I also said
that it is my impression that this problem has expanded with Firefox, that
it is slower on more sites than previously. Whether this is caused by
changes in Firefox or in NVDA, I don't know.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and browse mode


I'm having zero problems flying through all the fields and controls on the
WalMart.com main page using NVDA 2016.4 and the Chrome Browser. However,
traversal of same controls are much slower under Firefox. I wouldn't call
it a crawl, but even I notice an annoying lag. I have the latest versions of
both browsers and am running Win10 Home 64-bit Build 14393.693

I've found over time that it's not at all unusual for a given screen reader
to "not play well" with a given program so I always try to have an
alternative program, be that another screen reader or, as in this case, web
browser, to work with.

If anyone wants me to do something to generate diagnostic information I'll
be happy to do so.
--
Brian


If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to
something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you
have a legal mind.

~ Thomas Reed Powell





--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: NVDA Jumps Around Randomly

Jacob Kruger
 

Sorry, and, probably not relevant at all, but, have in the past had guys working with a laptop's keyboard, and, their forearms brush against the touchpad occasionally, moving the cursor around?


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2017-02-01 17:48, Gene wrote:

Mouse tracking is on by default.  It has nothing to do with how NVDA works when you aren't using a physical mouse. 
 
Gene

From: Rui Fontes
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Jumps Around Randomly

Have you checked if Mouse tracking is on?

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Gary
Data: 1 de fevereiro de 2017 15:18
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] NVDA Jumps Around Randomly

A restart, which I did multiple times, definitely didn't help.  Thanks!
 





Re: nvda and browse mode

Gene
 

Perhaps a month ago, I said that I found Firefox to be slow on some sites where whatever other browser I compared with wasn't.  I believe I also said that it is my impression that this problem has expanded with Firefox, that it is slower on more sites than previously.  Whether this is caused by changes in Firefox or in NVDA, I don't know. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and browse mode

I'm having zero problems flying through all the fields and controls on the WalMart.com main page using NVDA 2016.4 and the Chrome Browser.  However, traversal of same controls are much slower under Firefox.  I wouldn't call it a crawl, but even I notice an annoying lag. I have the latest versions of both browsers and am running Win10 Home 64-bit Build 14393.693

I've found over time that it's not at all unusual for a given screen reader to "not play well" with a given program so I always try to have an alternative program, be that another screen reader or, as in this case, web browser, to work with.

If anyone wants me to do something to generate diagnostic information I'll be happy to do so.
--
Brian

    If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell



Re: NVDA Jumps Around Randomly

Gene
 

I don't know what happens when using a touch screen. 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Rui Fontes
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Jumps Around Randomly

In Windows 10, with a touch screen, it have happened to me...

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Gene
Data: 1 de fevereiro de 2017 15:48
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] NVDA Jumps Around Randomly


Mouse tracking is on by default.  It has nothing to do with how NVDA works
when you aren't using a physical mouse.

Gene

From: Rui Fontes
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 9:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Jumps Around Randomly

Have you checked if Mouse tracking is on?

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Gary
Data: 1 de fevereiro de 2017 15:18
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] NVDA Jumps Around Randomly

A restart, which I did multiple times, definitely didn't help.  Thanks!





 




Re: nvda and browse mode

 

I'm having zero problems flying through all the fields and controls on the WalMart.com main page using NVDA 2016.4 and the Chrome Browser.  However, traversal of same controls are much slower under Firefox.  I wouldn't call it a crawl, but even I notice an annoying lag. I have the latest versions of both browsers and am running Win10 Home 64-bit Build 14393.693

I've found over time that it's not at all unusual for a given screen reader to "not play well" with a given program so I always try to have an alternative program, be that another screen reader or, as in this case, web browser, to work with.

If anyone wants me to do something to generate diagnostic information I'll be happy to do so.
--
Brian

    If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell



Re: nvda and browse mode

 

did you have this problem with other websites?

On 2/1/17, Andre Fisher <andrefisher729@...> wrote:
Could you please state the browser you are currently using? How about a
log?

On 2/1/17, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hi.
i had this problem before.
completely uninstalled nvda and reinstalled again.
my problem is solved now and nvda works great!
but i dont know which browser do you use.
i am only satisfied with nvda and firefox and never dont use another
browsers.

On 2/1/17, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:
I am using latest NVDA 2016.4. on the walmart website NVDA slows to a
crawl, while jaws18 demo is very fast and snappy and works fine. I would
like to ask the NVDA devs to re-write browse mode when they get a chance
to NVDA is fast and snappy as well, like jaws is. If it would not have
been for jaws, as my secondary backup screen reader, I couldn't have
placed my order on walmart's website. Hopefully NVDA will fix the
sluggish browse mode soon.


thanks


Josh






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org





--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org