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Re: displaying file type information?

 

hi.
find folder options.
in the view tab, unchek Hide extensions for known file types-
hope that helps and God bless you!

On 2/2/17, Robert Kingett <@blindjourno> wrote:
using windows 10 could someone tell me how to make windows display the
file type in all windows? when I go into my music folder it does not
show the file type information. In my documents, for example, I can
right arrow twice and it tells me the file type



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displaying file type information?

 

using windows 10 could someone tell me how to make windows display the file type in all windows? when I go into my music folder it does not show the file type information. In my documents, for example, I can right arrow twice and it tells me the file type


Re: NVDA conflict with hot keys with Lonovo Laptop

 

Michelle,

         What you describe is the increasingly common practice of manufacturers to assign "multimedia functions" and a couple of others like increase/decrease screen brightness, volume, etc., to the function key row by default.  What each of them calls this differs on my HP it is called Smart Keys.

          I would have to know the precise model of your Lenovo laptop to look up whether there is an accessible way to turn this function off (a couple of manufacturers have one) or whether it's a UEFI/BIOS tweak (and that's what it was on my machine).

          As Joseph Lee has already noted on every machine I've ever dealt with that has Smart Keys (or its equivalent) active by default pressing the Fn key along with the actual function key from the function key row makes it act as a straight function key.  In the case of screen readers this becomes a grand PITA since many two-key-press keyboard shortcuts then become three-key-press operations.
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Re: controlling the mouse?

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

The command to move the focus to something is shift-numpad zero-dash This will move the actual focus of the mouse to the position in question.  I believe the numpad zero-slash key simulates a left button click, not actual focus movement.



On 2/2/2017 8:23 AM, Gene wrote:
In the first copy of this message I sent to the list I mistakenly have a phrase at the end that says something like announce items under the mouse.  That was an error and I have removed it from this copy.
 
Gene
 
There may be objects you can find with the mouse that you can't find using object review or screen review, I don't know.  But much of what is being described in terms of looking at a screen and finding things can be done with screen review or object review.  Sometimes, one of those modes finds something another doesn't find.  And the thing about the Golden cursor, as I understand it, is that you can set pixel points to move immediately to something.  But people who don't properly learn to use object navigation and screen review are doing themselves a disservice if they are advanced users and want to do things that can't be done with standard keyboard navigation. 
 
If you find something using object review or screen review and want to move the simulated mouse to it, using the desktop layout, the command to move the mouse is numpad insert numpad slash.  Hold numpad insert and, while doing so, press numpad slash.  I don't use the laptop layout and don't know the command.  In most cases, the mouse will now be at the position of the object.  You should now be able to use the Golden cursor to set a return point. 
 
I haven't used the Golden cursor because I don't use programs where doing so is an advantage.  But as I understand the description given of how to use it, a good deal of the excitement is the result of not using object navigation and screen review to advantage. 
 
Gene
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Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 4:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] controlling the mouse?

If NVDA could know where all the interesting or useful objects were, I think
we'd have a far better way of interacting with them instead of having to move
the mouse pointer around.

The problem (or at least one of them) is that you often don't know where an
object is or what it can do until you put the mouse pointer on top of it.


Antony.

On Thursday 02 February 2017 at 11:26:41, john s wrote:

> I would find this mouse movement more exciting if
> the pointer would move from object to object rather than by number of
> pixels.

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downgrading the kindle application?

Josh Kennedy
 

hello,

can you please tell me where i can get the downgraded kindle application, if the login is accessible, and how to keep it from updating? also guys if you want to purchase books that you can later reformat with codex you can buy books from the blio website and blio store. there are also other big e book stores that will sell you e books in epub formats that you can reformat with codex. example, i like to legally purchase or buy e books in epub that i transform into word documents then turn into contracted braille files brf files for reading on my orbit reader20 prototype braille display that should be out for purchase in the spring of this year. my take on it is this. if I legally purchase the e-book, then i should have the right to turn it into any accessible format i wish, for my own personal use, even if that format is contracted english braille brf files for my braille display reader device.


Re: new member and a few questions

Dan Thompson
 

Thank you very very much.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 5:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new member and a few questions

 

Hi Dan,

 

The change re backstage is in Office 2013 / 2016.  It might be in slightly different places in different office programs and versions, I'm using Word 2016:

 

1. In Word, Press ALT+F for the file menu.

2. Press T for options.

3. Press CONTROL+TAB three times to get to the "save" settings.

4. Press alt+s or tab until the focus is on "Don't show the backstage when opening or saving files".

5. Press spacebar to check or uncheck this option (checked = you will get the traditional file open / save dialog when you press control+o or control+s, unchecked = you get the new backstage pane).

6. Press ENTER to save the changes and close the dialog.  That should then work in the other office programs as well.

 

For your other question about add-ons, official NVDA add-ons are available from: https://addons.nvda-project.org/index.en.html  Once you download one, open the NVDA tools menu, press NVDA+N then t, then a to open the add-ons manager and you can install the add-on from there.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

 

 

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:10 PM, Dan Thompson <dmt031073@...> wrote:

Yes your advice did help.  However, where do I go to make the change regarding backstage?

Thank you very much.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 10:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new member and a few questions

 

Hi Dan,

 

Welcome to the group!

 

Re "Line feed", what program are you in when it announces that?  For me, in most programs, it doesn't necessarily announce anything when I press ENTER, but as I left or right arrow through the text it announces line feed when it gets to where I pressed enter?  This is to indicate that it was a deliberate press of ENTER and not just reaching the right margin for instance.


You can set NVDA to "Speak command keys" by pressing NVDA+4 or from NVDA's keyboard preferences dialog.  This will announce "ENTER" when you press that key.  Note that it will also announce things like "CONTROL+RIGHT ARROW" as you move by word, "NVDA+END" before reading the status bar and so on.

 

Re saving files.  Again in word, if I press control+s, NVDA reads:

"ctrl+s

Save As  tab  selected  Save As  Alt, F, A  "  That is using the default setup of Word showing the "backstage".  If I set it up to go straight to the save as dialog (file - options - save then check "Don't show the backstage when opening or saving files".

 

If I have it set to go straight to the save as dialog, I get:

 

"ctrl+s

Save As  dialog  File name: File name:

Save as type: Save as type:

File name:  combo box  collapsed

edit  Alt+n

selected some filename.docx"

Which is exactly the same if I press f12.

 

In Wordpad, when I press control+s, I get:

 

"ctrl+s

Save As  dialog

File name:  combo box  collapsed

edit  Alt+n

selected Document.rtf

"

 

In Notepad I get:

 

"ctrl+s

Save As  dialog  File name: File name:

Save as type: Save as type:

File name:  combo box  collapsed

edit  Alt+n

selected *.txt"

 

 

Not sure if that helps though?

 

Regards


Quentin.

 

 

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 2:02 PM, Dan Thompson <dmt031073@...> wrote:

                First I am very greatful for this list and all the work developers have put into NVDA.

Q1. Instead of announcing “line feed”, Is it possible to cause NVDA to announce new line or blank when pressing enter to move to a new line?

 

Q2.  Recently NVDA in my class room will not say “file name” when pressing control + s when saving  file for the first time.

NVDA will not say “save as” when pressing f12.

 

When we press control + c or control + v, NVDA  does not announce,

“copy” or “paste.” Is there some setting that is not correct?

Thanks for reading this long email and thanks in advance for your assistance.

 

 

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Re: controlling the mouse?

Gene
 

In the first copy of this message I sent to the list I mistakenly have a phrase at the end that says something like announce items under the mouse.  That was an error and I have removed it from this copy.
 
Gene
 
There may be objects you can find with the mouse that you can't find using object review or screen review, I don't know.  But much of what is being described in terms of looking at a screen and finding things can be done with screen review or object review.  Sometimes, one of those modes finds something another doesn't find.  And the thing about the Golden cursor, as I understand it, is that you can set pixel points to move immediately to something.  But people who don't properly learn to use object navigation and screen review are doing themselves a disservice if they are advanced users and want to do things that can't be done with standard keyboard navigation. 
 
If you find something using object review or screen review and want to move the simulated mouse to it, using the desktop layout, the command to move the mouse is numpad insert numpad slash.  Hold numpad insert and, while doing so, press numpad slash.  I don't use the laptop layout and don't know the command.  In most cases, the mouse will now be at the position of the object.  You should now be able to use the Golden cursor to set a return point. 
 
I haven't used the Golden cursor because I don't use programs where doing so is an advantage.  But as I understand the description given of how to use it, a good deal of the excitement is the result of not using object navigation and screen review to advantage. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 4:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] controlling the mouse?

If NVDA could know where all the interesting or useful objects were, I think
we'd have a far better way of interacting with them instead of having to move
the mouse pointer around.

The problem (or at least one of them) is that you often don't know where an
object is or what it can do until you put the mouse pointer on top of it.


Antony.

On Thursday 02 February 2017 at 11:26:41, john s wrote:

> I would find this mouse movement more exciting if
> the pointer would move from object to object rather than by number of
> pixels.

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Re: NVDA conflict with hot keys with Lonovo Laptop

Gene
 

I'm not sure what commands you are referring to.  I know of no shortcut keys that are used in a laptop per se.  Applications installed may have shortcut keys, but we need examples of a short cut key or two and what they do.  At this point, we don't know if you are describing short cut keys or the modified fn interface used by a lot of computer manufacturers. 
 
Also, I don't urge use of the laptop commands.  I think the best way to approach the matter is to say that you may want to look at the laptop layout and see if you want to use those commands.  I don't use the laptop layout.  You don't have a lot of extra commands.  You have different commands for doing the same things.  If the laptop layout had extra commands, those using the desktop layout would be at a disadvantage and there would be great unhappiness among users if that were the case.  The reason there is a laptop layout is because many laptops don't have a numpad.  If I had a laptop without a numpad, I probably wouldn't switch to the laptop layout.  I have no desire to learn another layout.  I'd probably buy a USB numpad.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 5:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA conflict with hot keys with Lonovo Laptop

Hi Michelle,

You can definitely use the laptop keyboard layout on any keyboard. You can set NVDA and JAWS to the laptop layout even if you are using a desktop computer. That way, you have all of the extra commands that the laptop layout can give you. You can definitely use the laptop layout if you want, and maybe your hot keys for the computer would not conflict with NVDA or JAWS. Take care, Michelle. I just wanted you to know that. I do not know who would advise you that you could not use the laptop layout, because you are using a full-sized keyboard. Let us know how that works for you.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Michelle's Home Emails
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 6:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA conflict with hot keys with Lonovo Laptop

 

Hi there

 

Michelle Stevens here,

 

Can anyone tell me how do I turn off hotkeys that is set for Lonovo for my laptop. They are conflicting with NVDA and also Jaws when I use Jaws. Not at the same time (smile.)

 

When I had my Toshiba back in 2008 I disabled the default hotkeys in diskdoctor. Not sur

How to do this on my Lonovo. Because I am using a full sized laptop keyboard I have been advised to use desktop layout for my screen readers.

 

Kind regard

Michelle

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

 

 


Re: controlling the mouse?

Gene
 

There may be objects you can find with the mouse that you can't find using object review or screen review, I don't know.  But much of what is being described in terms of looking at a screen and finding things can be done with screen review or object review.  Sometimes, one of those modes finds something another doesn't find.  And the thing about the Golden cursor, as I understand it, is that you can set pixel points to move immediately to something.  But people who don't properly learn to use object navigation and screen review are doing themselves a disservice if they are advanced users and want to do things that can't be done with standard keyboard navigation. 
 
If you find something using object review or screen review and want to move the simulated mouse to it, using the desktop layout, the command to move the mouse is numpad insert numpad slash.  Hold numpad insert and, while doing so, press numpad slash.  I don't use the laptop layout and don't know the command.  In most cases, the mouse will now be at the position of the object.  You should now be able to use the Golden cursor to set a return point. 
 
I haven't used the Golden cursor because I don't use programs where doing so is an advantage.  But as I understand the description given of how to use it, a good deal of the excitement is the result of not using object navigation and screen review to advantage. 
is under the mouse being announced. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 4:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] controlling the mouse?

If NVDA could know where all the interesting or useful objects were, I think
we'd have a far better way of interacting with them instead of having to move
the mouse pointer around.

The problem (or at least one of them) is that you often don't know where an
object is or what it can do until you put the mouse pointer on top of it.


Antony.

On Thursday 02 February 2017 at 11:26:41, john s wrote:

> I would find this mouse movement more exciting if
> the pointer would move from object to object rather than by number of
> pixels.

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Translate nvda extensions

Emre Cebeci <0emrecebeci0@...>
 

Hi
I wanna translate nvda extension to my language. How can i do that?


Re: NVDA tutorials posted to Accessibilitycentral.net

Mário Navarro
 

thank you friend.

cheers.


Às 11:00 de 01/02/2017, Gene New Zealand escreveu:

Hi guys

Recently updated:
The following tutorials have been added to accessibilitycentral.net

RECENTLY UPDATED: A free TV guide for New Zealand that can be used with
NVDA; Audio described listings by Able.co.nz (both on the NVDA tutorials
for other programs page).
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20other%20programs.html
NEW: All NVDA related pages have had a brief description and link added
which will take you to the recent nvaccess In Process blog (to keep NVDA
users up to date with developments)

I will add more tutorials to this thread as they are written up.

Gene NZ


Re: controling the mouse?

David Moore
 

Hi Gene,

Thank you so much for responding. Yes, I noticed that as well. The two commands are turned around. Do you use Golden cursor? I am so glad you are playing with it. Being able to move the mouse by ddifferent amounts, is powerful. What do you think about being able to save a mouse pointer position. Wow. Could you let me know if you get his email? I would like to talk to him myself, and let him know how much I like Golden cursor, and I would would like him to keep working on it. Maybe we could come up with ideas to make it better. Take care, Gene.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 3:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] controling the mouse?

 

Hi David

 

Did you notice the save cursor position and to bring up the list on the page is around the wrong way. It threw me a little then figured what he done.

 

I think the rest of them are correct as i just had a little play but not with the restriction part yet.

 

I think there is a email address to let him know and change it easily done to make a mistake.

 

gene nz

 

 

On 2/02/2017 6:50 PM, David Moore wrote:

Hi,

I find the golden cursor the most exciting NVDA add on, and here is exactly why. First of all, You can press a key command, and Golden cursor will tell you in pixels where the mouse pointer is on the screen. Left side is 0 in the X direction, and top is 0 in the y direction of the pointer. Golden Cursor gives you the pointer position in the X, first, then the Y. So, if Golden cursor says 34 748, then you know that the pointer is only 34 pixels from the left of the screen, and it is all of the way at the bottom of the screen 748 pixels from the top. Now, the default of the computer screen with win10 is: 1366 pixels from left to right, and 768 pixels from top to bottom. Now, the next best thing about the Golden cursor, is that you can save a mouse pointer position so that the pointer will go right to that spot. It is like setting a book mark for the mouse pointer. You just press the command, and put in the X number, and Y number, altogether without a space, and then space and describe what that position is,like a very important button in an app, for example. From now on, you can press a command that gives you a list of all saved positions, and you can just enter on the one you want, and the mouse pointer goes right to that spot. That is very powerful. Also, the Golden cursor add on allows you to move the mouse pointer with your arrow keys by so many pixels each time you press an arrow key. For example, you can set Golden cursor to move ten pixels to the right each time you press the right arrow. You just hold down the windows+NVDA as you press the arrow keys. That is very powerful, because you can move the pointer completely straight in a line up, down, right, or left. I have memorized many pixel positions of things on the computer screen because of Golden cursor. For example, the position of the start button is 24 pixels to the left, and 748 pixels to the bottom. So, in other words, the start button is in the very bottom left hand corner of the screen. The desktop icons, are in the top left half of the screen. You can press windows+NVDA+P to hear the position of the pointer by routing it to the review cursor on any object. Now, the review cursor moves with the system carrot, so you can simply go to a desktop icon, and press Windows+NVDA+P on any desktop icon, and hear the pixel position of that icon. You can then save that position, and then, you can later open the list of saved positions and enter on that position, and the mouse pointer will go right there. You can do this on the desktop with key commands, I know. But, what about places in programs where you cannot access a control any other way except for the mouse? This is where the golden cursor becomes the most important add on, I believe. You can have a sighted person put the mouse pointer on a spot, you can press Windows+NVDA+P and hear the pixel position of where a sighted person has put the mouse pointer. Now, you can save that position with Golden cursor. Then, you can go to that position from now on, without sighted help even if you are totally blind. That is how powerful the Golden cursor is. There is even more it does. Now, with NVDA itself, without the Golden cursor add on, you can still do a lot with the mouse. If you go to the preferences menu and go to the mouse settings, you can Turn on play beeps as you move the mouse pointer, either with a mouse, or on your mouse pad on a laptop. For example, as I move my finger over my touch pad on my laptop, with stereo head phones on, as I move the mouse pointer left, the sound comes more and more out of the left head phone. Moving it to the right does the opposite. If I move the pointer up, the tone gets higher in pitch. Moving it down, makes the tones go down in pitch. So, for example, If I hear a low pitch coming more from the right head phone, that means that the pointer is at the bottom of the screen more to the right side of the screen. That can tell you a lot right there. Also, NVDA tells you the text that the pointer is moving over. For example, if I am moving my finger, and I hear News app, I can click my touch pad, just like a sighted person would, to open the News App. Now, with the Golden cursor, I have the position of the pointer saved where my News App is, so I can move the pointer right there, click just like a sighted person, and the news app opens, and I can read the news with the mouse pointer. I can access many apps with the Golden cursor add on and moving the mouse pointer around the app. I hope that there are blind users that are interested in just how much you can do with the mouse, even if you are totally blind. I want to get people excited about this. The mouse is not just for the sighted. There are places in apps, that are used on the job, that only the mouse pointer can get to, and it is possible to use Golden Cursor to save the pointer position for that spot, and move the pointer to that spot, even if you are totally blind. I would like to talk to the developer of the Golden cursor about keeping it up and going, because I use it all the time, to access places in apps that cannot be accessed any other way.

I hope this helps some of your and everyone's questions about this topic.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 11:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] controling the mouse?

 

There is also the Golden Cursor add-on.  Other members who use this on a regular basis can comment much better on its actual use than I can.
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Re: NVDA conflict with hot keys with Lonovo Laptop

Michelle's Home Emails
 

Hi Joseph  

Michelle here, 

Yes Joseph yes it was the function keys that was conflicting with both Screen readers. I will give that a try tomorrow. 

Many thank
Michelle 

Sent from my iPhone

On 2 Feb 2017, at 10:23 pm, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

I think what Michelle could be referring to is special function keys (am I right?). If so, if I read the documentation correctly, Fn+Escape should let you toggle this behavior.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 3:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA conflict with hot keys with Lonovo Laptop

 

Hi Michelle,

You can definitely use the laptop keyboard layout on any keyboard. You can set NVDA and JAWS to the laptop layout even if you are using a desktop computer. That way, you have all of the extra commands that the laptop layout can give you. You can definitely use the laptop layout if you want, and maybe your hot keys for the computer would not conflict with NVDA or JAWS. Take care, Michelle. I just wanted you to know that. I do not know who would advise you that you could not use the laptop layout, because you are using a full-sized keyboard. Let us know how that works for you.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Michelle's Home Emails
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 6:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA conflict with hot keys with Lonovo Laptop

 

Hi there

 

Michelle Stevens here,

 

Can anyone tell me how do I turn off hotkeys that is set for Lonovo for my laptop. They are conflicting with NVDA and also Jaws when I use Jaws. Not at the same time (smile.)

 

When I had my Toshiba back in 2008 I disabled the default hotkeys in diskdoctor. Not sur

How to do this on my Lonovo. Because I am using a full sized laptop keyboard I have been advised to use desktop layout for my screen readers.

 

Kind regard

Michelle

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

 

 


FW: [vip_students] Re: Maths

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Hi all,

Is it possible for a blind student to work with circles and triangles in
Excel using NVDA?

See the query from Ricky below.


All the best,

Cearbhall

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Hi out there I am doing a course which involves Leaving Cert Maths to
honours level I am having trouble with shapes such as actually drawing
circles triangles and was wondering how all you brainboxes achieved this.
Example
Draw a circle and position a 5 point star within this circle.
Is this possible with Excel using for example a Pie chart? And what about
drawing angles Tri angles and so on is there another method or piece of
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Re: NVDA conflict with hot keys with Lonovo Laptop

 

Hi,

I think what Michelle could be referring to is special function keys (am I right?). If so, if I read the documentation correctly, Fn+Escape should let you toggle this behavior.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 3:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA conflict with hot keys with Lonovo Laptop

 

Hi Michelle,

You can definitely use the laptop keyboard layout on any keyboard. You can set NVDA and JAWS to the laptop layout even if you are using a desktop computer. That way, you have all of the extra commands that the laptop layout can give you. You can definitely use the laptop layout if you want, and maybe your hot keys for the computer would not conflict with NVDA or JAWS. Take care, Michelle. I just wanted you to know that. I do not know who would advise you that you could not use the laptop layout, because you are using a full-sized keyboard. Let us know how that works for you.

David Moore

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From: Michelle's Home Emails
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 6:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA conflict with hot keys with Lonovo Laptop

 

Hi there

 

Michelle Stevens here,

 

Can anyone tell me how do I turn off hotkeys that is set for Lonovo for my laptop. They are conflicting with NVDA and also Jaws when I use Jaws. Not at the same time (smile.)

 

When I had my Toshiba back in 2008 I disabled the default hotkeys in diskdoctor. Not sur

How to do this on my Lonovo. Because I am using a full sized laptop keyboard I have been advised to use desktop layout for my screen readers.

 

Kind regard

Michelle

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

 

 


Re: NVDA conflict with hot keys with Lonovo Laptop

David Moore
 

Hi Michelle,

You can definitely use the laptop keyboard layout on any keyboard. You can set NVDA and JAWS to the laptop layout even if you are using a desktop computer. That way, you have all of the extra commands that the laptop layout can give you. You can definitely use the laptop layout if you want, and maybe your hot keys for the computer would not conflict with NVDA or JAWS. Take care, Michelle. I just wanted you to know that. I do not know who would advise you that you could not use the laptop layout, because you are using a full-sized keyboard. Let us know how that works for you.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Michelle's Home Emails
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 6:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA conflict with hot keys with Lonovo Laptop

 

Hi there

 

Michelle Stevens here,

 

Can anyone tell me how do I turn off hotkeys that is set for Lonovo for my laptop. They are conflicting with NVDA and also Jaws when I use Jaws. Not at the same time (smile.)

 

When I had my Toshiba back in 2008 I disabled the default hotkeys in diskdoctor. Not sur

How to do this on my Lonovo. Because I am using a full sized laptop keyboard I have been advised to use desktop layout for my screen readers.

 

Kind regard

Michelle

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

 

 


Re: controlling the mouse?

David Moore
 

Okay,

The most exciting part of the Golden cursor, though, is that a sighted person can position the mouse pointer on something that is totally not accessible to get to, and you can save that mouse position. Then later on, you can enter on that saved position, and the mouse pointer will move right to that spot, and you can click on that spot, just like a sighted person. I use apps, where I move the mouse pointer with the regular arrow keys around the app, and when I hear text, I can hear the mouse position, and then I can save that position. Also, by using the Golden cursor, you do not need to have a numpad on your laptop to move the mouse that way with the number pad. That is good too, because many laptops and tablets do not have number pads to be able to use the mouse keys.

Take care, all.

David Moore

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From: john s
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 5:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] controlling the mouse?

 

I would find this mouse movement more exciting if the pointer would move from object to object rather than by number of pixels.


earlier, David Moore, wrote:

Hi,
I find the golden cursor the most exciting NVDA add on, and here is exactly why. First of all, You can press a key command, and Golden cursor will tell you in pixels where the mouse pointer is on the screen. Left side is 0 in the X direction, and top is 0 in the y direction of the pointer. Golden Cursor gives you the pointer position in the X, first, then the Y. So, if Golden cursor says 34 748, then you know that the pointer is only 34 pixels from the left of the screen, and it is all of the way at the bottom of the screen 748 pixels from the top. Now, the default of the computer screen with win10 is: 1366 pixels from left to right, and 768 pixels from top to bottom. Now, the next best thing about the Golden cursor, is that you can save a mouse pointer position so that the pointer will go right to that spot. It is like setting a book mark for the mouse pointer. You just press the command, and put in the X number, and Y number, altogether without a space, and then space and describe what that position is,like a very important button in an app, for example. From now on, you can press a command that gives you a list of all saved positions, and you can just enter on the one you want, and the mouse pointer goes right to that spot. That is very powerful. Also, the Golden cursor add on allows you to move the mouse pointer with your arrow keys by so many pixels each time you press an arrow key. For example, you can set Golden cursor to move ten pixels to the right each time you press the right arrow. You just hold down the windows+NVDA as you press the arrow keys. That is very powerful, because you can move the pointer completely straight in a line up, down, right, or left. I have memorized many pixel positions of things on the computer screen because of Golden cursor. For example, the position of the start button is 24 pixels to the left, and 748 pixels to the bottom. So, in other words, the start button is in the very bottom left hand corner of the screen. The desktop icons, are in the top left half of the screen. You can press windows+NVDA+P to hear the position of the pointer by routing it to the review cursor on any object. Now, the review cursor moves with the system carrot, so you can simply go to a desktop icon, and press Windows+NVDA+P on any desktop icon, and hear the pixel position of that icon. You can then save that position, and then, you can later open the list of saved positions and enter on that position, and the mouse pointer will go right there. You can do this on the desktop with key commands, I know. But, what about places in programs where you cannot access a control any other way except for the mouse? This is where the golden cursor becomes the most important add on, I believe. You can have a sighted person put the mouse pointer on a spot, you can press Windows+NVDA+P and hear the pixel position of where a sighted person has put the mouse pointer. Now, you can save that position with Golden cursor. Then, you can go to that position from now on, without sighted help even if you are totally blind. That is how powerful the Golden cursor is. There is even more it does. Now, with NVDA itself, without the Golden cursor add on, you can still do a lot with the mouse. If you go to the preferences menu and go to the mouse settings, you can Turn on play beeps as you move the mouse pointer, either with a mouse, or on your mouse pad on a laptop. For example, as I move my finger over my touch pad on my laptop, with stereo head phones on, as I move the mouse pointer left, the sound comes more and more out of the left head phone. Moving it to the right does the opposite. If I move the pointer up, the tone gets higher in pitch. Moving it down, makes the tones go down in pitch. So, for example, If I hear a low pitch coming more from the right head phone, that means that the pointer is at the bottom of the screen more to the right side of the screen. That can tell you a lot right there. Also, NVDA tells you the text that the pointer is moving over. For example, if I am moving my finger, and I hear News app, I can click my touch pad, just like a sighted person would, to open the News App. Now, with the Golden cursor, I have the position of the pointer saved where my News App is, so I can move the pointer right there, click just like a sighted person, and the news app opens, and I can read the news with the mouse pointer. I can access many apps with the Golden cursor add on and moving the mouse pointer around the app. I hope that there are blind users that are interested in just how much you can do with the mouse, even if you are totally blind. I want to get people excited about this. The mouse is not just for the sighted. There are places in apps, that are used on the job, that only the mouse pointer can get to, and it is possible to use Golden Cursor to save the pointer position for that spot, and move the pointer to that spot, even if you are totally blind. I would like to talk to the developer of the Golden cursor about keeping it up and going, because I use it all the time, to access places in apps that cannot be accessed any other way.
I hope this helps some of your and everyone's questions about this topic.
David Moore
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From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 11:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] controling the mouse?
 
There is also the Golden Cursor add-on.  Other members who use this on a regular basis can comment much better on its actual use than I can.
--
Brian

    I don't find an uninformed hatred a "principled position" that I need to respect in any way.

        ~ Ellen Evans, soc.motss, 11/6/2004

 
 

John

 


NVDA conflict with hot keys with Lonovo Laptop

Michelle's Home Emails
 

Hi there

Michelle Stevens here,

Can anyone tell me how do I turn off hotkeys that is set for Lonovo for my laptop. They are conflicting with NVDA and also Jaws when I use Jaws. Not at the same time (smile.)

When I had my Toshiba back in 2008 I disabled the default hotkeys in diskdoctor. Not sur
How to do this on my Lonovo. Because I am using a full sized laptop keyboard I have been advised to use desktop layout for my screen readers.

Kind regard
Michelle

Sent from my iPhone


Re: controlling the mouse?

Antony Stone
 

If NVDA could know where all the interesting or useful objects were, I think
we'd have a far better way of interacting with them instead of having to move
the mouse pointer around.

The problem (or at least one of them) is that you often don't know where an
object is or what it can do until you put the mouse pointer on top of it.


Antony.

On Thursday 02 February 2017 at 11:26:41, john s wrote:

I would find this mouse movement more exciting if
the pointer would move from object to object rather than by number of
pixels.
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All generalisations are inaccurate.

Please reply to the list;
please *don't* CC me.


Re: controlling the mouse?

john s
 

I would find this mouse movement more exciting if the pointer would move from object to object rather than by number of pixels.


earlier, David Moore, wrote:

Hi,
I find the golden cursor the most exciting NVDA add on, and here is exactly why. First of all, You can press a key command, and Golden cursor will tell you in pixels where the mouse pointer is on the screen. Left side is 0 in the X direction, and top is 0 in the y direction of the pointer. Golden Cursor gives you the pointer position in the X, first, then the Y. So, if Golden cursor says 34 748, then you know that the pointer is only 34 pixels from the left of the screen, and it is all of the way at the bottom of the screen 748 pixels from the top. Now, the default of the computer screen with win10 is: 1366 pixels from left to right, and 768 pixels from top to bottom. Now, the next best thing about the Golden cursor, is that you can save a mouse pointer position so that the pointer will go right to that spot. It is like setting a book mark for the mouse pointer. You just press the command, and put in the X number, and Y number, altogether without a space, and then space and describe what that position is,like a very important button in an app, for example. From now on, you can press a command that gives you a list of all saved positions, and you can just enter on the one you want, and the mouse pointer goes right to that spot. That is very powerful. Also, the Golden cursor add on allows you to move the mouse pointer with your arrow keys by so many pixels each time you press an arrow key. For example, you can set Golden cursor to move ten pixels to the right each time you press the right arrow. You just hold down the windows+NVDA as you press the arrow keys. That is very powerful, because you can move the pointer completely straight in a line up, down, right, or left. I have memorized many pixel positions of things on the computer screen because of Golden cursor. For example, the position of the start button is 24 pixels to the left, and 748 pixels to the bottom. So, in other words, the start button is in the very bottom left hand corner of the screen. The desktop icons, are in the top left half of the screen. You can press windows+NVDA+P to hear the position of the pointer by routing it to the review cursor on any object. Now, the review cursor moves with the system carrot, so you can simply go to a desktop icon, and press Windows+NVDA+P on any desktop icon, and hear the pixel position of that icon. You can then save that position, and then, you can later open the list of saved positions and enter on that position, and the mouse pointer will go right there. You can do this on the desktop with key commands, I know. But, what about places in programs where you cannot access a control any other way except for the mouse? This is where the golden cursor becomes the most important add on, I believe. You can have a sighted person put the mouse pointer on a spot, you can press Windows+NVDA+P and hear the pixel position of where a sighted person has put the mouse pointer. Now, you can save that position with Golden cursor. Then, you can go to that position from now on, without sighted help even if you are totally blind. That is how powerful the Golden cursor is. There is even more it does. Now, with NVDA itself, without the Golden cursor add on, you can still do a lot with the mouse. If you go to the preferences menu and go to the mouse settings, you can Turn on play beeps as you move the mouse pointer, either with a mouse, or on your mouse pad on a laptop. For example, as I move my finger over my touch pad on my laptop, with stereo head phones on, as I move the mouse pointer left, the sound comes more and more out of the left head phone. Moving it to the right does the opposite. If I move the pointer up, the tone gets higher in pitch. Moving it down, makes the tones go down in pitch. So, for example, If I hear a low pitch coming more from the right head phone, that means that the pointer is at the bottom of the screen more to the right side of the screen. That can tell you a lot right there. Also, NVDA tells you the text that the pointer is moving over. For example, if I am moving my finger, and I hear News app, I can click my touch pad, just like a sighted person would, to open the News App. Now, with the Golden cursor, I have the position of the pointer saved where my News App is, so I can move the pointer right there, click just like a sighted person, and the news app opens, and I can read the news with the mouse pointer. I can access many apps with the Golden cursor add on and moving the mouse pointer around the app. I hope that there are blind users that are interested in just how much you can do with the mouse, even if you are totally blind. I want to get people excited about this. The mouse is not just for the sighted. There are places in apps, that are used on the job, that only the mouse pointer can get to, and it is possible to use Golden Cursor to save the pointer position for that spot, and move the pointer to that spot, even if you are totally blind. I would like to talk to the developer of the Golden cursor about keeping it up and going, because I use it all the time, to access places in apps that cannot be accessed any other way.
I hope this helps some of your and everyone's questions about this topic.
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 11:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] controling the mouse?
 
There is also the Golden Cursor add-on.  Other members who use this on a regular basis can comment much better on its actual use than I can.
--
Brian

    I don't find an uninformed hatred a "principled position" that I need to respect in any way.

        ~ Ellen Evans, soc.motss, 11/6/2004

 
 

John