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Re: controlling the mouse?

David Moore
 

Hi Rosemarie,

I will email you off list, and we can talk about it.

Thank you so much.

Take care, Rosemarie, It is like calling out different races, I think, using terms like Sightling and Blindys. How can we integrate acting like that.

I will email you soon.

I will not say anymore on this subject. I will take this to a Facebook group I am on LOL! I am so sorry for saying what I said, if it offended anyone! Please forgive me.

Take care, guys!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 3:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] controlling the mouse?

 

Hi, David,

 

Yes, we all need to learn to work together instead of dwelling on the negative. I taught my sister Cecilia how to read braille when we were kids. When I went to summer camp, we wrote letters back and forth and that was so neat.

 

I don't like labels either. To me, terms like sightling or sightie sound so derogatory. It's like calling someone of a different race a horrible name. If we're going to get along in this world, we need to learn to think of each other as human beings.

 

I think that's really neat that you can use the mouse with golden cursor. I'm glad NVDA has that feature. There are times when you can't use just the keyboard to do something so you have to use the mouse. I'd like to take this off list if you don't mind but under a different subject so we don't clutter up the list.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 2:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] controlling the mouse?

 

Hi Shaun,

I was not trying to show off at all. I am humble as they get, knowing that anytime I could be snuffed out it was not for the lord. That is not what I am saying at all. I just think that we should be altogether as human beeings instead of blindys, sightlings, and so on. Why can everybody just see each other as human beeings. I want to know about the sighted world, and the sighted world should want to know about the blind world. I have many blind friends who have the attitude that the sighted are the enany that is slowing them down. I don't see it that way at all. Sighted people forget that I am blind, because I do not go around shouting that I am blind, look at me, I am blind. I just talk to every human beeing the same way. I do not like labels at all for any people. I tell sighted people about how great it is to be blind all of the time, and I constantly have my sighted friends using my cane, learning some Braille, because they think it is fun. Every sighted person has told me that I am not bitter like so many other blind people are. There are blind people who are bitter toward the sighted, and that is not integrating. There are blind people who think they are so much better than a sighted person. We all need to talk about what we have in common instead of what is different about us all of the time. The sighted is not the enimy of the blind, like so many blind people think. I have had sighted people bend over backward to make something accessible for me. I am just saying that at work, for example, we need to say right click instead of applications to our boss, or they will not know what we are talking about. We, as blind people, need to speak some sighted lingo if we are going to make it in the work world. In my opinion, the majority wins. In my mind, because the world is dominately sighted, the blind need to try a lot harder to get along with the sighted than the other way around. This is where many different minorities disagree with me. We need to work so hard to get the majority to get along with us, because we are in the minority. That is not a popular way for minorities to think these days I sure know. That is what I think. The sighted owe us nothing. The sighted do not have to make things accessible for us if they do not want to. We need to do what we need by ourselves to make all things accessible. The sighted owe us nothing. I work night and day to fit into the majority, the sighted. I do not expect the sighted to fit in with me, because I am the minority. I hope that makes since to some people. The minority needs to work so hard to be included into the majority instead of the other way around. That is just reality.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 4:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] controlling the mouse?

 

Hay man, I actually am slightly offended about it.

We are blind not poor helpless retarded idiots much as some sightlings

may think of us.

I say this as politely as I can.

It is beneath me to show off.

We should be trying to intergrate.

I have an aunt that when seeing me doing things ie with my special tech,

oh he can use a screen reader for the blind good for him.

Its not that I have something to read the screen, but that I am first

and foremost a blind person using a computer.

Ie I have a cane, oh, the poor dumb helpless blind can walk!

I havn't as yet figured out golden curser, but the keyboard has a major

advantage over the sighted.

Who cares what they think anyway.

At any case we should be to every extent possible be trying to include

ourselves in making them make as much accessible.

If we show off to much they may stop and we will be in more trouble.

Most security software is just not fully accessible, its why I still use

msse for example.

I don't usually raise my voice but to me its a bit risky to show off.

We are blind! not dumb and retarded idiots.

We should never show off, showing off is what people do to hide

themselves, and to look cool and to hide the fact they suck.

I had a friend that used to do that and he was hard to get on with.

We need to be accepted as we are first and foremost.

If we showoff we are looking cheap, and that could get us treated different.

If I am getting this wrongly please say, this after all is only text.

By all means show but not show off or at least don't flaunt.

Even if its a good skill, I do do things and people are impressed, but

I don't brag it to the entire universe unless I know it will be excepted.

That does not include the entire net its just not a good thing to take.

Showing off could be a risky business.

 

 

 

On 3/02/2017 8:52 p.m., David Moore wrote:

> Hi all,

> There is something else that excites me about the golden cursor. I like to be able to do a task like a sighted person does instead of always using navigation commands. It is harder to move the mouse instead of using object review or screen review, and routing the mouse to that spot. However, when I can move my mouse around and find a control in a program with the mouse pointer, it sure gives me a sense of satisfaction. I get so excited, when I can do something like a sighted person. I use object and screen review to the max, and do everything I can with key commands, but it really excites me when I can move the mouse pointer around and find something just like a sighted person. When I show a sighted person how I move the mouse pointer and save positions with Golden cursor, that excites them about my assistive technology much more than when they see me using key commands. We all need to show off what we can do to sighted friends, to get the sighted excited about what the blind can do. So, there is a reason to use the Golden cursor for excitement and fun, and not just to get the job done. I don't like to just get the job done. I like to get a visual picture of everything and do something just like I would if I was sighted. I don't know if any of you feel that way or not. I want the sighted seeing my technology, as well as the blind. Moving the mouse with Golden cursor, is something sighted friends can really relate to, because they use the mouse. I only use a computer a third of the time to get the job done. The other two thirds of the time is to be adventurous and try doing tasks different ways, and always be researching how something might be done. A lot of inventions have been made by doing just that, not just getting the job done. I am a research person, not someone who just wants to get the job done. Maybe that is why I get excited over something like Golden cursor, because you can actually move the mouse around. I can't stress enough, that it really helps the blind to have a visual picture of where everything is on the screen. If you always use key commands, you do not know the visual layout, and where things are in your mind. I am a very visual person even though I am blind, if that makes sense. I had half of my sight until I was 15, and I constantly think as I saw then. I am 50 now, and I still have good light perception. Maybe that makes a difference of why I have to have a visual picture of everything to be happy. Only using key commands, a blind person is left without a visual reference. I am always asking sighted people where the mouse is on the computer screen if I am using JAWS. This is why I love NVDA and Golden Cursor, because I can hear in pixels of where something is on the screen, and get a picture in my mind of where that is. No matter what I do, even with key commands, I want to see it in my mind like I am looking at the screen. Does anyone else feel like this. I learn better if I can see something in my mind instead of just memorizing a bunch of key commands and not having a visual reference of what those commands are doing on the screen. It is the same with me and a phone. I want to picture the icons and everything. I wish NVDA told us what the icons looked like, what color they are and so on. Let me know what you think about all of this. Let us love technology as well as just getting the job done. Take care, guys,

> David Moore

> Sent from Mail for Windows 10

> From: Gene

> Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 11:37 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] controlling the mouse?

> I didn't say that.  I said that numpad insert numpad slash moves the mouse to the location of the review cursor.  I also said that the left click command is numpad slash.  Just numpad slash by itself.

> Gene

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Travis Siegel

> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 10:14 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] controlling the mouse?

> In your original email, you said that numpad zero/insert and the slash key would move the cursor to the location of the mouse.  I'm saying that command performs a left click, it does not move the mouse cursor (or any other cursor) anywhere, if you want to move the cursor, you want the shift-numpad-dash key combination.  That's all I'm saying now, and that's all I said to start with.  Go back and read your email again (I did), and it clearly says move the cursor with the numpad and slash key combo, that information is incorrect, I simply corrected that information, that's all, this doesn't have to be a long drawn out thread, simply to correct a key combination.

> On 2/2/2017 12:26 PM, Gene wrote:

> I just looked at the commands given on the Golden Cursor page.  No such commands are given.

> Gene

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Gene

> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 11:12 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] controlling the mouse?

> Are you giving commands for NVDA or the Golden cursor add on?  The commands may be correct for the Golden Cursor add on, I don't know.  For NVDA the move mouse to review position is as I stated.  For NVDA, to click the mouse command is numpad slash.

> Gene

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Travis Siegel

> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 9:25 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] controlling the mouse?

> The command to move the focus to something is shift-numpad zero-dash This will move the actual focus of the mouse to the position in question.  I believe the numpad zero-slash key simulates a left button click, not actual focus movement.

> On 2/2/2017 8:23 AM, Gene wrote:

> In the first copy of this message I sent to the list I mistakenly have a phrase at the end that says something like announce items under the mouse.  That was an error and I have removed it from this copy.

> Gene

> There may be objects you can find with the mouse that you can't find using object review or screen review, I don't know.  But much of what is being described in terms of looking at a screen and finding things can be done with screen review or object review.  Sometimes, one of those modes finds something another doesn't find.  And the thing about the Golden cursor, as I understand it, is that you can set pixel points to move immediately to something.  But people who don't properly learn to use object navigation and screen review are doing themselves a disservice if they are advanced users and want to do things that can't be done with standard keyboard navigation.

> If you find something using object review or screen review and want to move the simulated mouse to it, using the desktop layout, the command to move the mouse is numpad insert numpad slash.  Hold numpad insert and, while doing so, press numpad slash.  I don't use the laptop layout and don't know the command.  In most cases, the mouse will now be at the position of the object.  You should now be able to use the Golden cursor to set a return point.

> I haven't used the Golden cursor because I don't use programs where doing so is an advantage.  But as I understand the description given of how to use it, a good deal of the excitement is the result of not using object navigation and screen review to advantage.

> Gene

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Antony Stone

> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 4:41 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] controlling the mouse?

> If NVDA could know where all the interesting or useful objects were, I think

> we'd have a far better way of interacting with them instead of having to move

> the mouse pointer around.

> The problem (or at least one of them) is that you often don't know where an

> object is or what it can do until you put the mouse pointer on top of it.

> Antony.

> On Thursday 02 February 2017 at 11:26:41, john s wrote:

>> I would find this mouse movement more exciting if

>> the pointer would move from object to object rather than by number of

>> pixels.

 

 

 

 


Re: GroupMe and quicker access?

John Sanfilippo
 

Hi Sean,

No I haven't tried it, but maybe I will. Thing is,we'll all have to use
Skype and some folks may still be using SMS. GroupMe is somehow within
Skype, which is part of Microsoft.

I'll ask folks in my group what they think.

Thanks,
John

On 2/4/17 13:42, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Well have you tried using skype groups.
Its not an especially good grooper but its quite good.
There isn't any moderation commands or features though.
Whats app is also good for the smart phone but audio quality can be bad.



On 5/02/2017 3:33 a.m., John Sanfilippo wrote:
Hello folks,

A friend introduced me to an app called GroupMe. It is a group messaging
app where you write a message, and all the group members get your
message. When anyone replies, all members see that reply and all
subsequent messages are seen by all members.

In my case, I'm the music minister in a small church. The music ministry
consists of about 5 members who need to keep in touch about scheduling
or new ideas. Instead of making individual calls or texting and CCIng
people, one message sent by anyone informs all.

The system works with any SMS texting, or cross platform apps are
available.

I'm wondering if anyone is using this app and if there are tricks to
using it.

I very much like the whole idea. I began using it with SMS and thought
it saved a lot of trouble. Later I learned that apps are available, for
instance, for iPhone, Windows 10 and other platforms.

As a Windows 10 user I find that there several items to tab thru to get
to the 3 most needed items.

It might be nice to tab to the item of interest, press some command
which remembers the spot, and later press some other related command to
bring focus to the remembered spot.

Given the recent discussion of The Golden Cursor, I did explore that,
but found it wanting.

Ideas appreciated.

John Sanfilippo

--
- JS o -


Re: Facebook

Robert Mendoza
 

Yes, you are absolutely correct but keep in mind that it depends on the network or net provider you have. IN which I think that some of here is having trouble with the mentioned link causing to loads from there machine. I would prefer or most likely to used with it in a manner of the signal that has great spot or fast signal. The better and stable connection , the better you have loading that with no problem at all. I personally tell this from my experience because here in my location there some places or area that very poor and ruggedly working. If you like a more extensive views you may still use the suggested site page of wwww.facebook.com but, if you are limited with your connection I would suggest to used instead the mobile site which is m.facebook.com which is very simple to navigate.
Robert Mendoza
On 2/4/2017 7:53 PM, Davy Cuppens wrote:

I do not understand while so many blinds use www.facebook.com just use m.facebook.com and there is no problem at all!
 
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2017 2:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Facebook
 
I've asked for a good tutorial on using Facebook with NVDA but so far, no luck.  All anyone says is that Facebook changes their web page interface so radically and so often, that it just isn't possible to use except for Smart Phone app versions.

Roger









On 2/3/2017 6:33 PM, nickjentz@... wrote:

Could anyone help me navigate facebook with nvda. I can click on any of the surrounding information, but can’t seem to get into the newsfeed and have it read.  Specifically, how do I get into the newsfeed and then how do you get it to read?  Thanks for any help.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 



Re: controlling the mouse?

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, David,

 

Yes, we all need to learn to work together instead of dwelling on the negative. I taught my sister Cecilia how to read braille when we were kids. When I went to summer camp, we wrote letters back and forth and that was so neat.

 

I don't like labels either. To me, terms like sightling or sightie sound so derogatory. It's like calling someone of a different race a horrible name. If we're going to get along in this world, we need to learn to think of each other as human beings.

 

I think that's really neat that you can use the mouse with golden cursor. I'm glad NVDA has that feature. There are times when you can't use just the keyboard to do something so you have to use the mouse. I'd like to take this off list if you don't mind but under a different subject so we don't clutter up the list.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 2:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] controlling the mouse?

 

Hi Shaun,

I was not trying to show off at all. I am humble as they get, knowing that anytime I could be snuffed out it was not for the lord. That is not what I am saying at all. I just think that we should be altogether as human beeings instead of blindys, sightlings, and so on. Why can everybody just see each other as human beeings. I want to know about the sighted world, and the sighted world should want to know about the blind world. I have many blind friends who have the attitude that the sighted are the enany that is slowing them down. I don't see it that way at all. Sighted people forget that I am blind, because I do not go around shouting that I am blind, look at me, I am blind. I just talk to every human beeing the same way. I do not like labels at all for any people. I tell sighted people about how great it is to be blind all of the time, and I constantly have my sighted friends using my cane, learning some Braille, because they think it is fun. Every sighted person has told me that I am not bitter like so many other blind people are. There are blind people who are bitter toward the sighted, and that is not integrating. There are blind people who think they are so much better than a sighted person. We all need to talk about what we have in common instead of what is different about us all of the time. The sighted is not the enimy of the blind, like so many blind people think. I have had sighted people bend over backward to make something accessible for me. I am just saying that at work, for example, we need to say right click instead of applications to our boss, or they will not know what we are talking about. We, as blind people, need to speak some sighted lingo if we are going to make it in the work world. In my opinion, the majority wins. In my mind, because the world is dominately sighted, the blind need to try a lot harder to get along with the sighted than the other way around. This is where many different minorities disagree with me. We need to work so hard to get the majority to get along with us, because we are in the minority. That is not a popular way for minorities to think these days I sure know. That is what I think. The sighted owe us nothing. The sighted do not have to make things accessible for us if they do not want to. We need to do what we need by ourselves to make all things accessible. The sighted owe us nothing. I work night and day to fit into the majority, the sighted. I do not expect the sighted to fit in with me, because I am the minority. I hope that makes since to some people. The minority needs to work so hard to be included into the majority instead of the other way around. That is just reality.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 4:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] controlling the mouse?

 

Hay man, I actually am slightly offended about it.

We are blind not poor helpless retarded idiots much as some sightlings

may think of us.

I say this as politely as I can.

It is beneath me to show off.

We should be trying to intergrate.

I have an aunt that when seeing me doing things ie with my special tech,

oh he can use a screen reader for the blind good for him.

Its not that I have something to read the screen, but that I am first

and foremost a blind person using a computer.

Ie I have a cane, oh, the poor dumb helpless blind can walk!

I havn't as yet figured out golden curser, but the keyboard has a major

advantage over the sighted.

Who cares what they think anyway.

At any case we should be to every extent possible be trying to include

ourselves in making them make as much accessible.

If we show off to much they may stop and we will be in more trouble.

Most security software is just not fully accessible, its why I still use

msse for example.

I don't usually raise my voice but to me its a bit risky to show off.

We are blind! not dumb and retarded idiots.

We should never show off, showing off is what people do to hide

themselves, and to look cool and to hide the fact they suck.

I had a friend that used to do that and he was hard to get on with.

We need to be accepted as we are first and foremost.

If we showoff we are looking cheap, and that could get us treated different.

If I am getting this wrongly please say, this after all is only text.

By all means show but not show off or at least don't flaunt.

Even if its a good skill, I do do things and people are impressed, but

I don't brag it to the entire universe unless I know it will be excepted.

That does not include the entire net its just not a good thing to take.

Showing off could be a risky business.

 

 

 

On 3/02/2017 8:52 p.m., David Moore wrote:

> Hi all,

> There is something else that excites me about the golden cursor. I like to be able to do a task like a sighted person does instead of always using navigation commands. It is harder to move the mouse instead of using object review or screen review, and routing the mouse to that spot. However, when I can move my mouse around and find a control in a program with the mouse pointer, it sure gives me a sense of satisfaction. I get so excited, when I can do something like a sighted person. I use object and screen review to the max, and do everything I can with key commands, but it really excites me when I can move the mouse pointer around and find something just like a sighted person. When I show a sighted person how I move the mouse pointer and save positions with Golden cursor, that excites them about my assistive technology much more than when they see me using key commands. We all need to show off what we can do to sighted friends, to get the sighted excited about what the blind can do. So, there is a reason to use the Golden cursor for excitement and fun, and not just to get the job done. I don't like to just get the job done. I like to get a visual picture of everything and do something just like I would if I was sighted. I don't know if any of you feel that way or not. I want the sighted seeing my technology, as well as the blind. Moving the mouse with Golden cursor, is something sighted friends can really relate to, because they use the mouse. I only use a computer a third of the time to get the job done. The other two thirds of the time is to be adventurous and try doing tasks different ways, and always be researching how something might be done. A lot of inventions have been made by doing just that, not just getting the job done. I am a research person, not someone who just wants to get the job done. Maybe that is why I get excited over something like Golden cursor, because you can actually move the mouse around. I can't stress enough, that it really helps the blind to have a visual picture of where everything is on the screen. If you always use key commands, you do not know the visual layout, and where things are in your mind. I am a very visual person even though I am blind, if that makes sense. I had half of my sight until I was 15, and I constantly think as I saw then. I am 50 now, and I still have good light perception. Maybe that makes a difference of why I have to have a visual picture of everything to be happy. Only using key commands, a blind person is left without a visual reference. I am always asking sighted people where the mouse is on the computer screen if I am using JAWS. This is why I love NVDA and Golden Cursor, because I can hear in pixels of where something is on the screen, and get a picture in my mind of where that is. No matter what I do, even with key commands, I want to see it in my mind like I am looking at the screen. Does anyone else feel like this. I learn better if I can see something in my mind instead of just memorizing a bunch of key commands and not having a visual reference of what those commands are doing on the screen. It is the same with me and a phone. I want to picture the icons and everything. I wish NVDA told us what the icons looked like, what color they are and so on. Let me know what you think about all of this. Let us love technology as well as just getting the job done. Take care, guys,

> David Moore

> Sent from Mail for Windows 10

> From: Gene

> Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 11:37 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] controlling the mouse?

> I didn't say that.  I said that numpad insert numpad slash moves the mouse to the location of the review cursor.  I also said that the left click command is numpad slash.  Just numpad slash by itself.

> Gene

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Travis Siegel

> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 10:14 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] controlling the mouse?

> In your original email, you said that numpad zero/insert and the slash key would move the cursor to the location of the mouse.  I'm saying that command performs a left click, it does not move the mouse cursor (or any other cursor) anywhere, if you want to move the cursor, you want the shift-numpad-dash key combination.  That's all I'm saying now, and that's all I said to start with.  Go back and read your email again (I did), and it clearly says move the cursor with the numpad and slash key combo, that information is incorrect, I simply corrected that information, that's all, this doesn't have to be a long drawn out thread, simply to correct a key combination.

> On 2/2/2017 12:26 PM, Gene wrote:

> I just looked at the commands given on the Golden Cursor page.  No such commands are given.

> Gene

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Gene

> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 11:12 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] controlling the mouse?

> Are you giving commands for NVDA or the Golden cursor add on?  The commands may be correct for the Golden Cursor add on, I don't know.  For NVDA the move mouse to review position is as I stated.  For NVDA, to click the mouse command is numpad slash.

> Gene

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Travis Siegel

> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 9:25 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] controlling the mouse?

> The command to move the focus to something is shift-numpad zero-dash This will move the actual focus of the mouse to the position in question.  I believe the numpad zero-slash key simulates a left button click, not actual focus movement.

> On 2/2/2017 8:23 AM, Gene wrote:

> In the first copy of this message I sent to the list I mistakenly have a phrase at the end that says something like announce items under the mouse.  That was an error and I have removed it from this copy.

> Gene

> There may be objects you can find with the mouse that you can't find using object review or screen review, I don't know.  But much of what is being described in terms of looking at a screen and finding things can be done with screen review or object review.  Sometimes, one of those modes finds something another doesn't find.  And the thing about the Golden cursor, as I understand it, is that you can set pixel points to move immediately to something.  But people who don't properly learn to use object navigation and screen review are doing themselves a disservice if they are advanced users and want to do things that can't be done with standard keyboard navigation.

> If you find something using object review or screen review and want to move the simulated mouse to it, using the desktop layout, the command to move the mouse is numpad insert numpad slash.  Hold numpad insert and, while doing so, press numpad slash.  I don't use the laptop layout and don't know the command.  In most cases, the mouse will now be at the position of the object.  You should now be able to use the Golden cursor to set a return point.

> I haven't used the Golden cursor because I don't use programs where doing so is an advantage.  But as I understand the description given of how to use it, a good deal of the excitement is the result of not using object navigation and screen review to advantage.

> Gene

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Antony Stone

> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 4:41 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] controlling the mouse?

> If NVDA could know where all the interesting or useful objects were, I think

> we'd have a far better way of interacting with them instead of having to move

> the mouse pointer around.

> The problem (or at least one of them) is that you often don't know where an

> object is or what it can do until you put the mouse pointer on top of it.

> Antony.

> On Thursday 02 February 2017 at 11:26:41, john s wrote:

>> I would find this mouse movement more exciting if

>> the pointer would move from object to object rather than by number of

>> pixels.

 

 

 


Re: NVDA and unzip utility

Kevin Cussick
 

the only thing I find with 7zip is that I can't make a self extracting version of nvda with all my addons. yes you can I hear you all say yes but it will not extract to the a set path on it's own and run and if I am wrong will like some one to tell me in de tale how to get this working thanks in advance.

On 04/02/2017 18:27, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi,

I've used 7 zip to unzip files that couldn't be unzipped with the program windows has. 7 zip is a great program.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pascal Lambert
Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 5:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and unzip utility

Hi,
Please, is there an unzip utility that works well with NVDA? WinRAR which I am using is not very accessible.
Many thanks
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 2:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Feature request: More Efficient Word Navigation

hi.
only set in voice settings Punctuation/symbol level: none good lock and God bless you!

On 2/4/17, Dennis L <dennisl1982@...> wrote:
I agree.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 11:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Feature request: More Efficient Word Navigation



What if you want to get to the number to review it? It is easier to
just move forward once than to hear the whole thing spoken, then move
to the end or to the next word and move back. it's one command
instead of two or three.

Be careful what you wish for.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rob <mailto:captinlogic@...>

Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 7:38 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Feature request: More Efficient Word Navigation



When using the prev/next word hotkeys (numpad 4 and 6) it would be
nice if it did not stop at punctuation, but instead continued on to
the prev/next word.
Example:
Size on disk: 13.65 GB.
If you read that with the next word key, numpad six, you hear:
Size on disk colon 13 dot 65 gb
I want to hear
Size on disk 13.65 gb
where the numpad keys don't stop on the punctuation, but continue on
to the next word








--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org









Re: NVDA and unzip utility

 

I agree, before, I used pk zip in dos then later on winzip.
When it became payed, bits became inaccessible.
I got round this with a crack and that worked but when they switched to ribbons I decided that instead of cracking every year I was never going to spend the 30 bucks a year to keep it updated I switched to 7zip.
the only disadvantage to 7z I can see is that it can only create 7z and zip archives winzip can do more it can extract almost everything.
The other disadvantage is while creating or extracting files it will use all your processer power and memmory but I have hardly had a 7z file ever get corrupted and they are quite small.
7zip is opensource and multiplatform with addons and also running of the lzma2 sdk, I do know lzma is a power compression lib, I used it in dos so its been round a while now.
I use the shell mode mostly but it works and all computers I administrate have it as one of their utilities.
Its also a lot faster than any other zipping program I have ever used in my life.
To its credit bar the usual google spyware it installs its not changed and I am in 2 minds about google spyware with the amount of service I get.
I'd gladly give my information to someone that gives me so much, I mean even my mail is fast and secure world wide access.
True the nsa can probably read it but so what I have nothing to hide.
The worse spyware to get on your system is yahoo and thats only because they have so many security breaches they just don't seem to give a damn.

On 5/02/2017 6:05 a.m., Dejan Ristic wrote:
I use 7ZIP, and I seem to be satisfied with it.



Here is the link to it:

http://www.7-zip.org/
On 2/4/2017 2:56 PM, Pascal Lambert wrote:
Hi,
Please, is there an unzip utility that works well with NVDA? WinRAR
which I am using is not very accessible.
Many thanks
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 2:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Feature request: More Efficient Word Navigation

hi.
only set in voice settings Punctuation/symbol level: none good lock
and God bless you!

On 2/4/17, Dennis L <dennisl1982@...> wrote:
I agree.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 11:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Feature request: More Efficient Word Navigation



What if you want to get to the number to review it? It is easier to
just move forward once than to hear the whole thing spoken, then move
to the end or to the next word and move back. it's one command
instead of two or three.

Be careful what you wish for.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rob <mailto:captinlogic@...>

Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 7:38 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Feature request: More Efficient Word Navigation



When using the prev/next word hotkeys (numpad 4 and 6) it would be
nice if it did not stop at punctuation, but instead continued on to
the prev/next word.
Example:
Size on disk: 13.65 GB.
If you read that with the next word key, numpad six, you hear:
Size on disk colon 13 dot 65 gb
I want to hear
Size on disk 13.65 gb
where the numpad keys don't stop on the punctuation, but continue on
to the next word







--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org






.



.


Re: NVDA and unzip utility

 

just for zips and cabs.

On 5/02/2017 3:42 a.m., John Sanfilippo wrote:
I thought Windows has/had its own unzipping utility. But, when you need
to open other types of archives you'll need something else.

I'm learning to use 7zip. It seems entirely accessible, and I'm pretty
sure others use it.

John



On 2/4/17 8:56, Pascal Lambert wrote:
Hi,
Please, is there an unzip utility that works well with NVDA? WinRAR which I am using is not very accessible.
Many thanks
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 2:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Feature request: More Efficient Word Navigation

hi.
only set in voice settings Punctuation/symbol level: none good lock and God bless you!

On 2/4/17, Dennis L <dennisl1982@...> wrote:
I agree.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 11:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Feature request: More Efficient Word Navigation



What if you want to get to the number to review it? It is easier to
just move forward once than to hear the whole thing spoken, then move
to the end or to the next word and move back. it's one command
instead of two or three.

Be careful what you wish for.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rob <mailto:captinlogic@...>

Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 7:38 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Feature request: More Efficient Word Navigation



When using the prev/next word hotkeys (numpad 4 and 6) it would be
nice if it did not stop at punctuation, but instead continued on to
the prev/next word.
Example:
Size on disk: 13.65 GB.
If you read that with the next word key, numpad six, you hear:
Size on disk colon 13 dot 65 gb
I want to hear
Size on disk 13.65 gb
where the numpad keys don't stop on the punctuation, but continue on
to the next word








--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org






Re: GroupMe and quicker access?

 

Well have you tried using skype groups.
Its not an especially good grooper but its quite good.
There isn't any moderation commands or features though.
Whats app is also good for the smart phone but audio quality can be bad.

On 5/02/2017 3:33 a.m., John Sanfilippo wrote:
Hello folks,

A friend introduced me to an app called GroupMe. It is a group messaging
app where you write a message, and all the group members get your
message. When anyone replies, all members see that reply and all
subsequent messages are seen by all members.

In my case, I'm the music minister in a small church. The music ministry
consists of about 5 members who need to keep in touch about scheduling
or new ideas. Instead of making individual calls or texting and CCIng
people, one message sent by anyone informs all.

The system works with any SMS texting, or cross platform apps are available.

I'm wondering if anyone is using this app and if there are tricks to
using it.

I very much like the whole idea. I began using it with SMS and thought
it saved a lot of trouble. Later I learned that apps are available, for
instance, for iPhone, Windows 10 and other platforms.

As a Windows 10 user I find that there several items to tab thru to get
to the 3 most needed items.

It might be nice to tab to the item of interest, press some command
which remembers the spot, and later press some other related command to
bring focus to the remembered spot.

Given the recent discussion of The Golden Cursor, I did explore that,
but found it wanting.

Ideas appreciated.

John Sanfilippo


Re: NVDA and unzip utility

 

hi.
7zip is a great and completely accessible program.
moreover, its opensource, only one mb, very fast and translated to
more than 80 languages.
i tried many other programs, but deleted them forever and i only use 7zip.

http://www.7-zip.org/

On 2/4/17, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
Hi,

I've used 7 zip to unzip files that couldn't be unzipped with the program
windows has. 7 zip is a great program.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pascal
Lambert
Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 5:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and unzip utility

Hi,
Please, is there an unzip utility that works well with NVDA? WinRAR which I
am using is not very accessible.
Many thanks
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin
khaksar
Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 2:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Feature request: More Efficient Word Navigation

hi.
only set in voice settings Punctuation/symbol level: none good lock and God
bless you!

On 2/4/17, Dennis L <dennisl1982@...> wrote:
I agree.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 11:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Feature request: More Efficient Word Navigation



What if you want to get to the number to review it? It is easier to
just move forward once than to hear the whole thing spoken, then move
to the end or to the next word and move back. it's one command
instead of two or three.

Be careful what you wish for.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rob <mailto:captinlogic@...>

Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 7:38 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Feature request: More Efficient Word Navigation



When using the prev/next word hotkeys (numpad 4 and 6) it would be
nice if it did not stop at punctuation, but instead continued on to
the prev/next word.
Example:
Size on disk: 13.65 GB.
If you read that with the next word key, numpad six, you hear:
Size on disk colon 13 dot 65 gb
I want to hear
Size on disk 13.65 gb
where the numpad keys don't stop on the punctuation, but continue on
to the next word








--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org










--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: NVDA and unzip utility

 

Why are you not using sevenzip.
Its free and opensource.
It can extract and create most files including rar, sevenzip, zip and a few others true I only use it for 7z and zip creation which it does but to be honest I see no advantage in other archive types.

On 5/02/2017 6:32 a.m., Travis Siegel wrote:
I use winrar every single day, what about it isn't accessible? The only
time I run into inaccessible dialogs with winrar is when I try to
extract a broken archive, but it's easy enough to dismiss those dialogs,
then go use the command line version (which is installed along with the
graphical version) to see what the problem is. In fact, I actually use
winrar in place of file explorer, because it gives me more information
about the files than explorer does. I have the registered version, but
that has no impact on usability.



On 2/4/2017 8:56 AM, Pascal Lambert wrote:
Hi,
Please, is there an unzip utility that works well with NVDA? WinRAR
which I am using is not very accessible.
Many thanks
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 2:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Feature request: More Efficient Word Navigation

hi.
only set in voice settings Punctuation/symbol level: none good lock
and God bless you!

On 2/4/17, Dennis L <dennisl1982@...> wrote:
I agree.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 11:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Feature request: More Efficient Word Navigation



What if you want to get to the number to review it? It is easier to
just move forward once than to hear the whole thing spoken, then move
to the end or to the next word and move back. it's one command
instead of two or three.

Be careful what you wish for.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rob <mailto:captinlogic@...>

Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 7:38 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Feature request: More Efficient Word Navigation



When using the prev/next word hotkeys (numpad 4 and 6) it would be
nice if it did not stop at punctuation, but instead continued on to
the prev/next word.
Example:
Size on disk: 13.65 GB.
If you read that with the next word key, numpad six, you hear:
Size on disk colon 13 dot 65 gb
I want to hear
Size on disk 13.65 gb
where the numpad keys don't stop on the punctuation, but continue on
to the next word







--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org









Re: NVDA and unzip utility

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi,

I've used 7 zip to unzip files that couldn't be unzipped with the program windows has. 7 zip is a great program.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pascal Lambert
Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 5:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and unzip utility

Hi,
Please, is there an unzip utility that works well with NVDA? WinRAR which I am using is not very accessible.
Many thanks
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 2:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Feature request: More Efficient Word Navigation

hi.
only set in voice settings Punctuation/symbol level: none good lock and God bless you!

On 2/4/17, Dennis L <dennisl1982@...> wrote:
I agree.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 11:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Feature request: More Efficient Word Navigation



What if you want to get to the number to review it? It is easier to
just move forward once than to hear the whole thing spoken, then move
to the end or to the next word and move back. it's one command
instead of two or three.

Be careful what you wish for.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rob <mailto:captinlogic@...>

Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 7:38 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Feature request: More Efficient Word Navigation



When using the prev/next word hotkeys (numpad 4 and 6) it would be
nice if it did not stop at punctuation, but instead continued on to
the prev/next word.
Example:
Size on disk: 13.65 GB.
If you read that with the next word key, numpad six, you hear:
Size on disk colon 13 dot 65 gb
I want to hear
Size on disk 13.65 gb
where the numpad keys don't stop on the punctuation, but continue on
to the next word








--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org


Re: NVDA and unzip utility

Pascal Lambert
 

Many thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Sanfilippo
Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 9:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and unzip utility

I thought Windows has/had its own unzipping utility. But, when you need to open other types of archives you'll need something else.

I'm learning to use 7zip. It seems entirely accessible, and I'm pretty sure others use it.

John



On 2/4/17 8:56, Pascal Lambert wrote:
Hi,
Please, is there an unzip utility that works well with NVDA? WinRAR which I am using is not very accessible.
Many thanks
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 2:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Feature request: More Efficient Word Navigation

hi.
only set in voice settings Punctuation/symbol level: none good lock and God bless you!

On 2/4/17, Dennis L <dennisl1982@...> wrote:
I agree.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 11:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Feature request: More Efficient Word Navigation



What if you want to get to the number to review it? It is easier to
just move forward once than to hear the whole thing spoken, then move
to the end or to the next word and move back. it's one command
instead of two or three.

Be careful what you wish for.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rob <mailto:captinlogic@...>

Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 7:38 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Feature request: More Efficient Word Navigation



When using the prev/next word hotkeys (numpad 4 and 6) it would be
nice if it did not stop at punctuation, but instead continued on to
the prev/next word.
Example:
Size on disk: 13.65 GB.
If you read that with the next word key, numpad six, you hear:
Size on disk colon 13 dot 65 gb
I want to hear
Size on disk 13.65 gb
where the numpad keys don't stop on the punctuation, but continue on
to the next word








--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org





--
- JS o -


Re: NVDA and unzip utility

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

I use winrar every single day, what about it isn't accessible? The only time I run into inaccessible dialogs with winrar is when I try to extract a broken archive, but it's easy enough to dismiss those dialogs, then go use the command line version (which is installed along with the graphical version) to see what the problem is. In fact, I actually use winrar in place of file explorer, because it gives me more information about the files than explorer does. I have the registered version, but that has no impact on usability.

On 2/4/2017 8:56 AM, Pascal Lambert wrote:
Hi,
Please, is there an unzip utility that works well with NVDA? WinRAR which I am using is not very accessible.
Many thanks
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 2:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Feature request: More Efficient Word Navigation

hi.
only set in voice settings Punctuation/symbol level: none good lock and God bless you!

On 2/4/17, Dennis L <dennisl1982@...> wrote:
I agree.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 11:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Feature request: More Efficient Word Navigation



What if you want to get to the number to review it? It is easier to
just move forward once than to hear the whole thing spoken, then move
to the end or to the next word and move back. it's one command
instead of two or three.

Be careful what you wish for.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rob <mailto:captinlogic@...>

Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 7:38 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Feature request: More Efficient Word Navigation



When using the prev/next word hotkeys (numpad 4 and 6) it would be
nice if it did not stop at punctuation, but instead continued on to
the prev/next word.
Example:
Size on disk: 13.65 GB.
If you read that with the next word key, numpad six, you hear:
Size on disk colon 13 dot 65 gb
I want to hear
Size on disk 13.65 gb
where the numpad keys don't stop on the punctuation, but continue on
to the next word







--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org





Re: NVDA and unzip utility

Pascal Lambert
 

Many thanks for your prompt reply. I will give a try.
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dejan Ristic
Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 12:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and unzip utility

I use 7ZIP, and I seem to be satisfied with it.



Here is the link to it:

http://www.7-zip.org/
On 2/4/2017 2:56 PM, Pascal Lambert wrote:
Hi,
Please, is there an unzip utility that works well with NVDA? WinRAR which I am using is not very accessible.
Many thanks
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 2:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Feature request: More Efficient Word Navigation

hi.
only set in voice settings Punctuation/symbol level: none good lock and God bless you!

On 2/4/17, Dennis L <dennisl1982@...> wrote:
I agree.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 11:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Feature request: More Efficient Word Navigation



What if you want to get to the number to review it? It is easier to
just move forward once than to hear the whole thing spoken, then move
to the end or to the next word and move back. it's one command
instead of two or three.

Be careful what you wish for.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rob <mailto:captinlogic@...>

Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 7:38 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Feature request: More Efficient Word Navigation



When using the prev/next word hotkeys (numpad 4 and 6) it would be
nice if it did not stop at punctuation, but instead continued on to
the prev/next word.
Example:
Size on disk: 13.65 GB.
If you read that with the next word key, numpad six, you hear:
Size on disk colon 13 dot 65 gb
I want to hear
Size on disk 13.65 gb
where the numpad keys don't stop on the punctuation, but continue
on to the next word







--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org






.


Re: NVDA and unzip utility

Dejan Ristic
 

I use 7ZIP, and I seem to be satisfied with it.



Here is the link to it:

http://www.7-zip.org/

On 2/4/2017 2:56 PM, Pascal Lambert wrote:
Hi,
Please, is there an unzip utility that works well with NVDA? WinRAR which I am using is not very accessible.
Many thanks
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 2:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Feature request: More Efficient Word Navigation

hi.
only set in voice settings Punctuation/symbol level: none good lock and God bless you!

On 2/4/17, Dennis L <dennisl1982@...> wrote:
I agree.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 11:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Feature request: More Efficient Word Navigation



What if you want to get to the number to review it? It is easier to
just move forward once than to hear the whole thing spoken, then move
to the end or to the next word and move back. it's one command
instead of two or three.

Be careful what you wish for.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rob <mailto:captinlogic@...>

Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 7:38 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Feature request: More Efficient Word Navigation



When using the prev/next word hotkeys (numpad 4 and 6) it would be
nice if it did not stop at punctuation, but instead continued on to
the prev/next word.
Example:
Size on disk: 13.65 GB.
If you read that with the next word key, numpad six, you hear:
Size on disk colon 13 dot 65 gb
I want to hear
Size on disk 13.65 gb
where the numpad keys don't stop on the punctuation, but continue on
to the next word







--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org





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Re: Facebook

mk360
 

In my case is because the main site has many features that the movile site doesn't, for example autoload of the feed (yes, I like it) autocompletion in edit areas, the posibility to paste a video and write text without the need to preserve the URL... etc. Obviously, I tested the movile site some time ago and it can be changed now, but some things like press next to see more news from about 10 reads for me is boring.


Regards,

mk.


El 04/02/2017 a las 8:53, Davy Cuppens escribió:
I do not understand while so many blinds use www.facebook.com just use m.facebook.com and there is no problem at all!
 
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2017 2:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Facebook
 
I've asked for a good tutorial on using Facebook with NVDA but so far, no luck.  All anyone says is that Facebook changes their web page interface so radically and so often, that it just isn't possible to use except for Smart Phone app versions.

Roger









On 2/3/2017 6:33 PM, nickjentz@... wrote:

Could anyone help me navigate facebook with nvda. I can click on any of the surrounding information, but can’t seem to get into the newsfeed and have it read.  Specifically, how do I get into the newsfeed and then how do you get it to read?  Thanks for any help.

 

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Re: NVDA and unzip utility

John Sanfilippo
 

I thought Windows has/had its own unzipping utility. But, when you need
to open other types of archives you'll need something else.

I'm learning to use 7zip. It seems entirely accessible, and I'm pretty
sure others use it.

John

On 2/4/17 8:56, Pascal Lambert wrote:
Hi,
Please, is there an unzip utility that works well with NVDA? WinRAR which I am using is not very accessible.
Many thanks
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 2:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Feature request: More Efficient Word Navigation

hi.
only set in voice settings Punctuation/symbol level: none good lock and God bless you!

On 2/4/17, Dennis L <dennisl1982@...> wrote:
I agree.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 11:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Feature request: More Efficient Word Navigation



What if you want to get to the number to review it? It is easier to
just move forward once than to hear the whole thing spoken, then move
to the end or to the next word and move back. it's one command
instead of two or three.

Be careful what you wish for.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rob <mailto:captinlogic@...>

Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 7:38 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Feature request: More Efficient Word Navigation



When using the prev/next word hotkeys (numpad 4 and 6) it would be
nice if it did not stop at punctuation, but instead continued on to
the prev/next word.
Example:
Size on disk: 13.65 GB.
If you read that with the next word key, numpad six, you hear:
Size on disk colon 13 dot 65 gb
I want to hear
Size on disk 13.65 gb
where the numpad keys don't stop on the punctuation, but continue on
to the next word








--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org





--
- JS o -


GroupMe and quicker access?

John Sanfilippo
 

Hello folks,

A friend introduced me to an app called GroupMe. It is a group messaging
app where you write a message, and all the group members get your
message. When anyone replies, all members see that reply and all
subsequent messages are seen by all members.

In my case, I'm the music minister in a small church. The music ministry
consists of about 5 members who need to keep in touch about scheduling
or new ideas. Instead of making individual calls or texting and CCIng
people, one message sent by anyone informs all.

The system works with any SMS texting, or cross platform apps are available.

I'm wondering if anyone is using this app and if there are tricks to
using it.

I very much like the whole idea. I began using it with SMS and thought
it saved a lot of trouble. Later I learned that apps are available, for
instance, for iPhone, Windows 10 and other platforms.

As a Windows 10 user I find that there several items to tab thru to get
to the 3 most needed items.

It might be nice to tab to the item of interest, press some command
which remembers the spot, and later press some other related command to
bring focus to the remembered spot.

Given the recent discussion of The Golden Cursor, I did explore that,
but found it wanting.

Ideas appreciated.

John Sanfilippo

--
- JS o -


NVDA and unzip utility

Pascal Lambert
 

Hi,
Please, is there an unzip utility that works well with NVDA? WinRAR which I am using is not very accessible.
Many thanks
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 2:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Feature request: More Efficient Word Navigation

hi.
only set in voice settings Punctuation/symbol level: none good lock and God bless you!

On 2/4/17, Dennis L <dennisl1982@...> wrote:
I agree.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 11:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Feature request: More Efficient Word Navigation



What if you want to get to the number to review it? It is easier to
just move forward once than to hear the whole thing spoken, then move
to the end or to the next word and move back. it's one command
instead of two or three.

Be careful what you wish for.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rob <mailto:captinlogic@...>

Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 7:38 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Feature request: More Efficient Word Navigation



When using the prev/next word hotkeys (numpad 4 and 6) it would be
nice if it did not stop at punctuation, but instead continued on to
the prev/next word.
Example:
Size on disk: 13.65 GB.
If you read that with the next word key, numpad six, you hear:
Size on disk colon 13 dot 65 gb
I want to hear
Size on disk 13.65 gb
where the numpad keys don't stop on the punctuation, but continue on
to the next word








--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org


Re: Facebook

Davy Cuppens
 

I do not understand while so many blinds use www.facebook.com just use m.facebook.com and there is no problem at all!
 

Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2017 2:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Facebook
 
I've asked for a good tutorial on using Facebook with NVDA but so far, no luck.  All anyone says is that Facebook changes their web page interface so radically and so often, that it just isn't possible to use except for Smart Phone app versions.

Roger









On 2/3/2017 6:33 PM, nickjentz@... wrote:

Could anyone help me navigate facebook with nvda. I can click on any of the surrounding information, but can’t seem to get into the newsfeed and have it read.  Specifically, how do I get into the newsfeed and then how do you get it to read?  Thanks for any help.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10