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Re: O E classic again

 

Just use thunderbird allready, seriously its not that bad just get rid of the lightning app so it doesn't suck.

On 6/02/2017 3:46 a.m., erik burggraaf wrote:
Hello all,

I just did a system upgrade for a friend and found that live essentials
is no more. He didn't go all the way to windows 10 so he is stuck
without an email client. OE classic is inaccessible, but I paid not as
much attention to the discussions on it as I should have. So, I
installed it and was less than happy with the result. My friend is even
more disgruntled as you can imagine. Is any work being done to make an
add-on to support OE classic? If so, how can we contribute? Neither of
us are coders, but we may be able to help with funding and testing.

Thanks,

Erik

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Re: NVDA and unzip utility

 

Well for me it was a necessity rather than anything else.
I used to back in the day crack winzip, it used to be better than standard zip programs I had tried.
But when they went to ribbons and when it got harder and harder to find keygens, I decided to move.
It was the best decision I ever did.
If 7zip ever had a pro version, I'd buy lots of it, I couldn't live without it now.

On 5/02/2017 11:20 p.m., Monte Single wrote:
I have been using 7 zip since the last mellium. It is mpart of my context menu and it works so well for me. And it is free!!
Rock on!!

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: February-05-17 3:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and unzip utility

I agree on Yahoo, I think they are simply incompetent rather than anything else. I always use 7zip, but use the zip part for compatibility.
There used to be a small utility around that could turn any zip into a self extractor, does anyone know if this is still about, my searches don't seem to point to anything useful to windows users.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <@smeveriss>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2017 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and unzip utility


I agree, before, I used pk zip in dos then later on winzip.
When it became payed, bits became inaccessible.
I got round this with a crack and that worked but when they switched to
ribbons I decided that instead of cracking every year I was never going to
spend the 30 bucks a year to keep it updated I switched to 7zip.
the only disadvantage to 7z I can see is that it can only create 7z and
zip archives winzip can do more it can extract almost everything.
The other disadvantage is while creating or extracting files it will use
all your processer power and memmory but I have hardly had a 7z file ever
get corrupted and they are quite small.
7zip is opensource and multiplatform with addons and also running of the
lzma2 sdk, I do know lzma is a power compression lib, I used it in dos so
its been round a while now.
I use the shell mode mostly but it works and all computers I administrate
have it as one of their utilities.
Its also a lot faster than any other zipping program I have ever used in
my life.
To its credit bar the usual google spyware it installs its not changed and
I am in 2 minds about google spyware with the amount of service I get.
I'd gladly give my information to someone that gives me so much, I mean
even my mail is fast and secure world wide access.
True the nsa can probably read it but so what I have nothing to hide.
The worse spyware to get on your system is yahoo and thats only because
they have so many security breaches they just don't seem to give a damn.



On 5/02/2017 6:05 a.m., Dejan Ristic wrote:
I use 7ZIP, and I seem to be satisfied with it.



Here is the link to it:

http://www.7-zip.org/
On 2/4/2017 2:56 PM, Pascal Lambert wrote:
Hi,
Please, is there an unzip utility that works well with NVDA? WinRAR
which I am using is not very accessible.
Many thanks
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 2:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Feature request: More Efficient Word Navigation

hi.
only set in voice settings Punctuation/symbol level: none good lock
and God bless you!

On 2/4/17, Dennis L <dennisl1982@...> wrote:
I agree.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 11:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Feature request: More Efficient Word Navigation



What if you want to get to the number to review it? It is easier to
just move forward once than to hear the whole thing spoken, then move
to the end or to the next word and move back. it's one command
instead of two or three.

Be careful what you wish for.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rob <mailto:captinlogic@...>

Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 7:38 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Feature request: More Efficient Word Navigation



When using the prev/next word hotkeys (numpad 4 and 6) it would be
nice if it did not stop at punctuation, but instead continued on to
the prev/next word.
Example:
Size on disk: 13.65 GB.
If you read that with the next word key, numpad six, you hear:
Size on disk colon 13 dot 65 gb
I want to hear
Size on disk 13.65 gb
where the numpad keys don't stop on the punctuation, but continue on
to the next word







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Re: filling PDF form using NVDA

 

You probably can't do this.
If this is for an online form you could always ask them if you can do it via the web,.
If not, you can probably try to convert it to html, weather you can then submit or fill it is unknown but once the pdf is converted to a web document its links and fields are preserved.
You can save the file as text with adobe reader or balabolka however the easiest way is to probably do the following.
1. using codex from jscholes.net/projects/codex, you can make a compiled chm help file.
Using sevenzip http://sf.net/projects/sevenzip/files then getting the latest version you should be able once its installed extract the chm file.
There will be a folder with the files, a help workshop you can't use then the html file.
Weather at that point it probably won't work well that may not work at all who knows.
If this is for a company that needs a form printed getting it printed and getting a sightling to fill it out with you may be best.
If you can contact the company ask to send the form in a readable form so you can fill it in.
If they do want you to fill it in and it needs to be submitted at their faces, see if they will put it in google docs, I have filled forms on google docs and they work.
I am not sure how to make ones but a lot of students and others that I do testing for as well as international companies do this so it is possible obviously the easily and speedily create such.
Google docs can read pdfs so there is a chance it can convert forms to.
You should if it works recieve a randomly generated google link in an email from whoever and can fill out the form.
If you hit submit google will just send it to whoever made it but it would probably be another google address so who knows.

On 6/02/2017 2:39 a.m., prem.translator@... wrote:
Dear All listers,

Is there any way to fill in a pdf application form using NVDA & adobe reader? there are no form field in the document. However, after reading it, I know that I must fill in some informationb. I tried using "fill & Sign" in adobe reader, but it's inaccessible.

Please give me some suggestion,

Thank you.


Re: Reading Endnotes

kelby carlson
 

Ah, I see. Maybe it's just JAWS that does that, then; or perhaps it's
footnotes I'm thinking of. In either case, I know if you just save a
Word Document with footnotes or endnotes in plain text it converts the
way you describe.

On 2/5/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Sorry, I jumped ahead of myself - I was initially thinking, NVDA identifies
that there is a footnote / endnote, but doesn't read the text of the notes
themselves, you would need to go to the notes section to read the note
text. What I was then thinking was if there was an easy way to convert the
notes into inline text, you could do that - and then either close without
saving or undo etc if you didn't want to keep the notes inline.

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 10:24 AM, kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@...>
wrote:

Quentin,

I think you misunderstood what I was asking. I don't actually need to
convert the endnotes into regular text, I'm just wondering if NVDA
can/will read them when just doing a say-all in the document. I seem
to remember it doing so but now it isn't; I could be confusing it with
JAWS. (Since switching to my new laptop the combination of JAWS and
Word has become completely unworkable, for reasons that remain
mysterious to me and that Freedom Scientific has been totally inept at
fixing as per usual.)

On 2/5/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Hi Kelby,

Interesting question. I've never tried this so just went and had a
quick
look. It seems that you can do it manually, with a VB script or an
add-in
tool. I found a couple of different sites, but this one lists the
three
main methods all on one page:
https://www.extendoffice.com/documents/word/1192-word-
convert-endnotes-to-plain-text.html

The only thing I think is that this leaves the notes at the end of the
document as regular text (so you could easily copy to plain text or
another
format which may not support Word's footnotes). I suspect what you
were
after was something that put the footnotes in the middle of the text
where
the reference was?

One thing you could do, is to create a macro to do it. On the view
menu
(alt+w) is a macro option (m). From here you can record a macro, which
once started, will "record" every keystroke you press until you turn
recording off. While recording, you can move to the next footnote
(alt+s,
o, n) then jump to the notes area (alt+s, h) select and copy the note,
move
back to the main text, and paste the text from the footnote, perhaps in
brackets.

Although I don't have an immediate need for it personally, I'll be
interested to see if anyone else comes up with a good solution to this.

Kind regards

Quentin.


On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 6:51 AM, kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@...>
wrote:

When reading a document in Word is there a way to make NVDA read
footnotes/endnotes while reading along rather than having to go into
the footnote or endnote pain?




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Re: O E classic again

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

But... it's not yet the 10th quite yet, so, couldn't he get it now while he can?
 
Chris.
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2017 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] O E classic again

Hello Gene,
 
It seems that, after 10 January 2017, it is no longer downloadable from Microsoft.
 
Best Regards, Jim.
 
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2017 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] O E classic again
 
What do you mean Live Essentials is no more.  People still use it who are using Windows 8 or 10.  I don't know why it disappeared in the upgrade but it can be reinstalled.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2017 8:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] O E classic again

Hello all,

I just did a system upgrade for a friend and found that live essentials is
no more.  He didn't go all the way to windows 10 so he is stuck without an
email client.  OE classic is inaccessible, but I paid not as much attention
to the discussions on it as I should have.  So, I installed it and was less
than happy with the result.  My friend is even more disgruntled as you can
imagine.  Is any work being done to make an add-on to support OE classic? 
If so, how can we contribute?  Neither of us are coders, but we may be able
to help with funding and testing.

Thanks,

Erik

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Re: Reading Endnotes

Quentin Christensen
 

Sorry, I jumped ahead of myself - I was initially thinking, NVDA identifies that there is a footnote / endnote, but doesn't read the text of the notes themselves, you would need to go to the notes section to read the note text.  What I was then thinking was if there was an easy way to convert the notes into inline text, you could do that - and then either close without saving or undo etc if you didn't want to keep the notes inline.

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 10:24 AM, kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@...> wrote:
Quentin,

I think you misunderstood what I was asking. I don't actually need to
convert the endnotes into regular text, I'm just wondering if NVDA
can/will read them when just doing a say-all in the document. I seem
to remember it doing so but now it isn't; I could be confusing it with
JAWS. (Since switching to my new laptop the combination of JAWS and
Word has become completely unworkable, for reasons that remain
mysterious to me and that Freedom Scientific has been totally inept at
fixing as per usual.)

On 2/5/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
> Hi Kelby,
>
> Interesting question.  I've never tried this so just went and had a quick
> look.  It seems that you can do it manually, with a VB script or an add-in
> tool.  I found a couple of different sites, but this one lists the three
> main methods all on one page:
> https://www.extendoffice.com/documents/word/1192-word-convert-endnotes-to-plain-text.html
>
> The only thing I think is that this leaves the notes at the end of the
> document as regular text (so you could easily copy to plain text or another
> format which may not support Word's footnotes).  I suspect what you were
> after was something that put the footnotes in the middle of the text where
> the reference was?
>
> One thing you could do, is to create a macro to do it.  On the view menu
> (alt+w) is a macro option (m).  From here you can record a macro, which
> once started, will "record" every keystroke you press until you turn
> recording off.  While recording, you can move to the next footnote (alt+s,
> o, n) then jump to the notes area (alt+s, h) select and copy the note, move
> back to the main text, and paste the text from the footnote, perhaps in
> brackets.
>
> Although I don't have an immediate need for it personally, I'll be
> interested to see if anyone else comes up with a good solution to this.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Quentin.
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 6:51 AM, kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@...>
> wrote:
>
>> When reading a document in Word is there a way to make NVDA read
>> footnotes/endnotes while reading along rather than having to go into
>> the footnote or endnote pain?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
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> Training Material Developer
> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>
> Ph +61 7 3149 3306
> www.nvaccess.org
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Re: O E classic again

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

Why not just use Thunderbird, being it's fully supported, and being NVDA works absolutely beautifully! with it?
 
Chris.
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2017 9:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] O E classic again

Hello all,

I just did a system upgrade for a friend and found that live essentials is
no more.  He didn't go all the way to windows 10 so he is stuck without an
email client.  OE classic is inaccessible, but I paid not as much attention
to the discussions on it as I should have.  So, I installed it and was less
than happy with the result.  My friend is even more disgruntled as you can
imagine.  Is any work being done to make an add-on to support OE classic? 
If so, how can we contribute?  Neither of us are coders, but we may be able
to help with funding and testing.

Thanks,

Erik

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Re: Reading Endnotes

kelby carlson
 

Quentin,

I think you misunderstood what I was asking. I don't actually need to
convert the endnotes into regular text, I'm just wondering if NVDA
can/will read them when just doing a say-all in the document. I seem
to remember it doing so but now it isn't; I could be confusing it with
JAWS. (Since switching to my new laptop the combination of JAWS and
Word has become completely unworkable, for reasons that remain
mysterious to me and that Freedom Scientific has been totally inept at
fixing as per usual.)

On 2/5/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Hi Kelby,

Interesting question. I've never tried this so just went and had a quick
look. It seems that you can do it manually, with a VB script or an add-in
tool. I found a couple of different sites, but this one lists the three
main methods all on one page:
https://www.extendoffice.com/documents/word/1192-word-convert-endnotes-to-plain-text.html

The only thing I think is that this leaves the notes at the end of the
document as regular text (so you could easily copy to plain text or another
format which may not support Word's footnotes). I suspect what you were
after was something that put the footnotes in the middle of the text where
the reference was?

One thing you could do, is to create a macro to do it. On the view menu
(alt+w) is a macro option (m). From here you can record a macro, which
once started, will "record" every keystroke you press until you turn
recording off. While recording, you can move to the next footnote (alt+s,
o, n) then jump to the notes area (alt+s, h) select and copy the note, move
back to the main text, and paste the text from the footnote, perhaps in
brackets.

Although I don't have an immediate need for it personally, I'll be
interested to see if anyone else comes up with a good solution to this.

Kind regards

Quentin.


On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 6:51 AM, kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@...>
wrote:

When reading a document in Word is there a way to make NVDA read
footnotes/endnotes while reading along rather than having to go into
the footnote or endnote pain?




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Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306
www.nvaccess.org
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Re: Reading Endnotes

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Kelby,

Interesting question.  I've never tried this so just went and had a quick look.  It seems that you can do it manually, with a VB script or an add-in tool.  I found a couple of different sites, but this one lists the three main methods all on one page: https://www.extendoffice.com/documents/word/1192-word-convert-endnotes-to-plain-text.html

The only thing I think is that this leaves the notes at the end of the document as regular text (so you could easily copy to plain text or another format which may not support Word's footnotes).  I suspect what you were after was something that put the footnotes in the middle of the text where the reference was?

One thing you could do, is to create a macro to do it.  On the view menu (alt+w) is a macro option (m).  From here you can record a macro, which once started, will "record" every keystroke you press until you turn recording off.  While recording, you can move to the next footnote (alt+s, o, n) then jump to the notes area (alt+s, h) select and copy the note, move back to the main text, and paste the text from the footnote, perhaps in brackets.

Although I don't have an immediate need for it personally, I'll be interested to see if anyone else comes up with a good solution to this.

Kind regards

Quentin.


On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 6:51 AM, kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@...> wrote:
When reading a document in Word is there a way to make NVDA read
footnotes/endnotes while reading along rather than having to go into
the footnote or endnote pain?






--
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Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: Facebook

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


A while back if you are interested i wrote up a basic tutorial on using face book and there might be a audio one as well up on my website at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20other%20programs.html

It is called how to navigate face book with nvda. When you get to the page you will need to jump down by headings to it.


In face book you also need to change between the modes to do stuff like browse mode, focus mode to see some of the pop up stuff there then change back.


I guess you would be maybe the first on the list to ask for one actually the second as when a mate asked i wrote it up then for him to use in new zealand.


Hope it helps.


Gene nz



On 4/02/2017 2:19 PM, Roger Stewart wrote:
I've asked for a good tutorial on using Facebook with NVDA but so far, no luck.  All anyone says is that Facebook changes their web page interface so radically and so often, that it just isn't possible to use except for Smart Phone app versions.

Roger









On 2/3/2017 6:33 PM, nickjentz@... wrote:

Could anyone help me navigate facebook with nvda. I can click on any of the surrounding information, but can’t seem to get into the newsfeed and have it read.  Specifically, how do I get into the newsfeed and then how do you get it to read?  Thanks for any help.

 

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Reading Endnotes

kelby carlson
 

When reading a document in Word is there a way to make NVDA read
footnotes/endnotes while reading along rather than having to go into
the footnote or endnote pain?


Re: O E classic again

 

Yoo hoo!   Look at that other thread I started in response to requests for a Microsoft Essentials 2012 download.  It should be in your inboxes.
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Re: filling PDF form using NVDA

 

On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 09:59 am, Gene wrote:
But in that case, shouldn't you hear edit as you move through the form?

I would think so.  The easiest way for me to confirm this is to take a look at the form itself and how it behaves when I try to navigate it.  I am hoping that this is some sort of publicly accessible form that I can easily download to take a look, hence my request.
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Re: controlling the mouse?

Gene
 

If you set the caps lock to be used as an NVDA key, to use it as a caps lock key, press it twice quickly to change it's status.  It toggles as usual if you press it twice quickly.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2017 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] controlling the mouse?

Hello Gene,
 
I’ve probably been under a missapprehension for years here, are you saying that I can use the caps lock as an NVDA modifier and still use it for it’s original purpose as a caps lock in, for instance, a word processor? when I think about it it is used in conjunction with other keys for the NVDA modifier, I’ve probably been thick in this instance for years, but I bet I’m not the only one, so I will take it on the chin if it clears up for people like me, what was probably obvious to others.
 
Best Regards, Jim.
 
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2017 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] controlling the mouse?
 
Make the caps lock key another NVDA key.  If you do this, you won't find the command difficult.  It doesn't matter if you are using the laptop or desktop layout.  there is a check box in the NVDA key settings dialog that will do this in either layout.  I use the caps lock key as the NVDA modifier regularly.  I hate using insert down arrow for read to end.  I use caps lock down arrow.. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
 
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2017 7:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] controlling the mouse?
 
Hello,
 
Having followed this thread for some time, I can see uses for the golden cursor in conjunction with other NVDA navigation modes, it could be particularly good for unlabelled graphics with sighted help I suppose, I do find the keystrokes you mention to be particularly clumsy using a normal keyboard however, NVDA key plus shift plus M is not at all easy to do, especially if listening for a particular place in a read out , could there be another way of doing this? on a laptop it is probably not a problem if using the caps lock as a moderator key.
 
Best Regards, Jim.
 
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2017 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] controlling the mouse?
 

Hi David,

 

I have just taken a liking to the word "tool box" you mentioned in this thread. Let me list what I use to keep pace with the screen on my computer.

 

First, I use Golden cursor.

 

Second, I use the review modes.

 

Third, I use the add-on called Objpad

 

The forth instance of use is rather a method. If I am not able to scroll down along the screen where I wish to place either the reviews and/or Golden cursor, or even Objpad, I simply press NVDA plus B, listening carefully what is read to me. As soon as I hear a desired element and/or item pronounced, I, for instance, press NVDA plus Shift plus M, in order to place the mouse pointer to the current navigator object (being the position at which I stopped reading by pressing NVDA plus Shift plus M). Afterwards, I can do the following:

 

I can either bring up Golden cursor, and/or save the position, or even I can operate the position I have previously stopped at by placing the mouse pointer to the current navigator object, so as to handle it on the spot. I have played in that way as far as VLC Media Player is concerned.

 

I simply want to say that I will use whatever I can. Let my tool box be a fully blown beach ball!


On 2/5/2017 2:38 AM, David Moore wrote:

I keep saying that the more tools you have at your disposal, the more you can do. Let us say, on the job, that you can do 90 percent of what you need to do with key commands. I have used the mouse to do the other ten percent. Ten percent on the job is a lot. If the blind keep being told that they do not need the mouse at all, they will not know that they can do certain tasks on the job ten percent of the time, and they might not be able to do their job. The mouse does have a crutial use in cases where one's job depends on it. Golden Cursor makes it so easy to work with the mouse, that someone might be able to do their job. This is how important the Golden Cursor is. This is why I am so passionate about it. A blind person might be able to use the mouse even 2 percent that will allow them to keep their job. That is important. The mouse pointer can access controls that object review will never find on the screen. Pointing and clicking with the touch pad or mouse, can enable me to access web sites that I could not access any other way. I am not saying that one way is better than another way. We will indeed use key commands 90 percent of the time. However, in my personal and work life, being able to control the mouse and point and clicked has gotten me out of jams 10 percent of the time. Why don't people want every tool in their tool box they can have, just in case they might need that tool 1 percent of the time. That 1 percent might make a difference if you can do something at work or not. I am just saying that it is good if you can include the mouse in your tool box, in case you might need it at a crucial time. The Golden cursor is the best way that I have been able to find where you can use the mouse pretty good. The Golden Cursor allows a windows user to use the mouse pretty good. Try it for yourself, before you make a judgement. Even JAWS added the feature to be able to move the mouse and hear what is under the mouse. Sometimes, maybe at work, that is the only way you might be able to access something so you can keep your job. Therefore, it is worth keeping that mouse option hidden in your tool box, and you might be using it more than you think if you need to access a very important control on a page, your job might depend on it.

David Moore

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From: Gene
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 11:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] controlling the mouse?

 

You are assuming that review modes see everything the mouse sees.  Unless you have done enough comparison to know that is an unsupported assumption.  I don't assume that every thing in every program that can be moved to with a mouse can be moved to using various review modes.  While I don't need to use a mouse to use the programs I use and review modes allow me access to what I want, I have no basis to assume that I won't find a program where I can see things with a mouse I can't otherwise.  Also, some links on the Internet require a mouse to activate them.  I haven't played with a mouse on a web site but having a mouse may make working with this or that site to do something possible, if cumbersome.

 

Gene

------ Original Message -----

From: Dennis L

Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 7:55 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] controlling the mouse?

 

I have no problem using the key navigation. I see no need for a mouse.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of john s
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 5:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] controlling the mouse?

 

I don't mind moving the mouse pointer when I have to and I use Window Eyes mouse keys to do so.  Otherwise, I don't care where something is on the screen as long as I can get to it, first with keystrokes and then with mouse keys.


earlier, David Moore, wrote:

Hi all,
There is something else that excites me about the golden cursor. I like to be able to do a task like a sighted person does instead of always using navigation commands. It is harder to move the mouse instead of using object review or screen review, and routing the mouse to that spot. However, when I can move my mouse around and find a control in a program with the mouse pointer, it sure gives me a sense of satisfaction. I get so excited, when I can do something like a sighted person. I use object and screen review to the max, and do everything I can with key commands, but it really excites me when I can move the mouse pointer around and find something just like a sighted person. When I show a sighted person how I move the mouse pointer and save positions with Golden cursor, that excites them about my assistive technology much more than when they see me using key commands. We all need to show off what we can do to sighted friends, to get the sighted excited about what the blind can do. So, there is a reason to use the Golden cursor for excitement and fun, and not just to get the job done. I don't like to just get the job done. I like to get a visual picture of everything and do something just like I would if I was sighted. I don't know if any of you feel that way or not. I want the sighted seeing my technology, as well as the blind. Moving the mouse with Golden cursor, is something sighted friends can really relate to, because they use the mouse. I only use a computer a third of the time to get the job done. The other two thirds of the time is to be adventurous and try doing tasks different ways, and always be researching how something might be done. A lot of inventions have been made by doing just that, not just getting the job done. I am a research person, not someone who just wants to get the job done. Maybe that is why I get excited over something like Golden cursor, because you can actually move the mouse around. I can't stress enough, that it really helps the blind to have a visual picture of where everything is on the screen. If you always use key commands, you do not know the visual layout, and where things are in your mind. I am a very visual person even though I am blind, if that makes sense. I had half of my sight until I was 15, and I constantly think as I saw then. I am 50 now, and I still have good light perception. Maybe that makes a difference of why I have to have a visual picture of everything to be happy. Only using key commands, a blind person is left without a visual reference. I am always asking sighted people where the mouse is on the computer screen if I am using JAWS. This is why I love NVDA and Golden Cursor, because I can hear in pixels of where something is on the screen, and get a picture in my mind of where that is. No matter what I do, even with key commands, I want to see it in my mind like I am looking at the screen. Does anyone else feel like this. I learn better if I can see something in my mind instead of just memorizing a bunch of key commands and not having a visual reference of what those commands are doing on the screen. It is the same with me and a phone. I want to picture the icons and everything. I wish NVDA told us what the icons looked like, what color they are and so on. Let me know what you think about all of this. Let us love technology as well as just getting the job done. Take care, guys,
David Moore
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From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 11:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] controlling the mouse?
 
I didn't say that.  I said that numpad insert numpad slash moves the mouse to the location of the review cursor.  I also said that the left click command is numpad slash.  Just numpad slash by itself. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Travis Siegel
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 10:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] controlling the mouse?
 

In your original email, you said that numpad zero/insert and the slash key would move the cursor to the location of the mouse.  I'm saying that command performs a left click, it does not move the mouse cursor (or any other cursor) anywhere, if you want to move the cursor, you want the shift-numpad-dash key combination.  That's all I'm saying now, and that's all I said to start with.  Go back and read your email again (I did), and it clearly says move the cursor with the numpad and slash key combo, that information is incorrect, I simply corrected that information, that's all, this doesn't have to be a long drawn out thread, simply to correct a key combination.

 
 
On 2/2/2017 12:26 PM, Gene wrote:

I just looked at the commands given on the Golden Cursor page.  No such commands are given.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 11:12 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] controlling the mouse?

 

Are you giving commands for NVDA or the Golden cursor add on?  The commands may be correct for the Golden Cursor add on, I don't know.  For NVDA the move mouse to review position is as I stated.  For NVDA, to click the mouse command is numpad slash. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Travis Siegel

Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 9:25 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] controlling the mouse?

 

The command to move the focus to something is shift-numpad zero-dash This will move the actual focus of the mouse to the position in question.  I believe the numpad zero-slash key simulates a left button click, not actual focus movement.

 

 

On 2/2/2017 8:23 AM, Gene wrote:

In the first copy of this message I sent to the list I mistakenly have a phrase at the end that says something like announce items under the mouse.  That was an error and I have removed it from this copy.

 

Gene

 

There may be objects you can find with the mouse that you can't find using object review or screen review, I don't know.  But much of what is being described in terms of looking at a screen and finding things can be done with screen review or object review.  Sometimes, one of those modes finds something another doesn't find.  And the thing about the Golden cursor, as I understand it, is that you can set pixel points to move immediately to something.  But people who don't properly learn to use object navigation and screen review are doing themselves a disservice if they are advanced users and want to do things that can't be done with standard keyboard navigation. 

 

If you find something using object review or screen review and want to move the simulated mouse to it, using the desktop layout, the command to move the mouse is numpad insert numpad slash.  Hold numpad insert and, while doing so, press numpad slash.  I don't use the laptop layout and don't know the command.  In most cases, the mouse will now be at the position of the object.  You should now be able to use the Golden cursor to set a return point. 

 

I haven't used the Golden cursor because I don't use programs where doing so is an advantage.  But as I understand the description given of how to use it, a good deal of the excitement is the result of not using object navigation and screen review to advantage. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Antony Stone

Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 4:41 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] controlling the mouse?

 

If NVDA could know where all the interesting or useful objects were, I think

we'd have a far better way of interacting with them instead of having to move

the mouse pointer around.

The problem (or at least one of them) is that you often don't know where an

object is or what it can do until you put the mouse pointer on top of it.

Antony.

On Thursday 02 February 2017 at 11:26:41, john s wrote:

> I would find this mouse movement more exciting if

> the pointer would move from object to object rather than by number of

> pixels.

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                                                   Please reply to the list;

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Re: filling PDF form using NVDA

Alexander Masic
 

A way to workaround this, is to opend the pdf file in word 2013 or above. and make it as an regular wordfile and fill in that way. I have done it plenty of time, and so far only one has complayn over this, but finaly even that person accepted it.




Den 2017-02-05 kl. 15:37, skrev erik burggraaf:

I've successfully used NVDA to fill out Canadian issue government paperwork.  If there are form fields in the document, NVDA will recognise them as you read through or tab through the document.  If the form fields are properly labeled, NVDA will read the title of each field as you tab to let you know what information is expected.

If none of this is happening for you, and you are reading the document in the latest adobe reader, then the document is not a form, regardless of whether or not it is purposed as a form.  In this case, as Gene suggested, it's intended to be printed and filled by hand which is not useful for you.

This may be an unpopular opinion, but I believe it's time for organizations to abandon adobe.  15 years of inaccessibility, bolt on accessibility, complicated accessibility design guidelines and obscure information regarding the guidelines, and sheer unadulterated laziness on the part of adobe and the people who use it as a design platform are quite enough.  If I were you I would take the document back to the person you got it from and tell them to either make it a form in fact as well as in name, or to port it to formstack or some other secure and accessible form service and to stop wasting time and money on adobe.

As you can see, this topic really annoys me.  The fact that we're still fighting adobe and designers for access to bdf is clear indication to me that it's time for the world to simply move on from this company and it's products.

Best,

Erik

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On February 5, 2017 9:09:23 AM prem.translator@... wrote:

Dear All listers,


Is there any way to fill in a pdf application form using NVDA & adobe reader? there are no form field in the document. However, after reading it, I know that I must fill in some informationb. I tried using "fill & Sign" in adobe reader, but it's inaccessible.


Please give me some suggestion,

Thank you.



Re: filling PDF form using NVDA

Gene
 

But in that case, shouldn't you hear edit as you move through the form?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2017 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] filling PDF form using NVDA

If the form itself is not private can you share the link?   I suspect that Gene's presumption will end up being correct.  Either that, or this thing is designed as a form but the form designer did not bother to label the fields.  I've had a number of PDF fillable forms from the United States Internal Revenue Service that, when I tried using them with a screen reader, did not have the labels attached to fields to make the form accessible.
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Re: O E classic again

Gene
 

Well that's a beauty and the wonder of tech lists.  Just as there was a full installer for the old version, there must be a full installer for the new one.  Let's see if someone has a copy.  I'd like to get it myself in case I want to install it on a Windows 10 machine whenever I get one.  It may be years but I may want to continue to use it. 
 
or my current copy may become corrupted and need reinstalling.
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2017 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] O E classic again

If you had live essentials installed before January 2017 you can continue to use it.  As of January 2017 the instalation files for live essentials 2011 and 2012 have been pulled from microsoft download sites.  If you try to use the net installer to install a new windows live essentials right now, it won't work.  If you retained an offline installer you can still install it, but I don't remember if one of those existed.  I don't have one.

Best,

erik

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On February 5, 2017 9:50:08 AM "Gene" <gsasner@...> wrote:

What do you mean Live Essentials is no more.  People still use it who are using Windows 8 or 10.  I don't know why it disappeared in the upgrade but it can be reinstalled.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2017 8:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] O E classic again

Hello all,

I just did a system upgrade for a friend and found that live essentials is
no more.  He didn't go all the way to windows 10 so he is stuck without an
email client.  OE classic is inaccessible, but I paid not as much attention
to the discussions on it as I should have.  So, I installed it and was less
than happy with the result.  My friend is even more disgruntled as you can
imagine.  Is any work being done to make an add-on to support OE classic? 
If so, how can we contribute?  Neither of us are coders, but we may be able
to help with funding and testing.

Thanks,

Erik

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Re: controlling the mouse?

The Gamages
 

#Thanks for that, I bet more people than me have lerned something.


Best Regards, Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2017 5:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] controlling the mouse?

The Gamages" <james.gamage@...> wrote:
I’ve probably been under a missapprehension for years here, are you
saying
that I can use the caps lock as an NVDA modifier and still use it for
it’s
original purpose as a caps lock in, for instance, a word processor?
Sure you can. If you want to use the caps lock for its original purpose,
just hit it twice in rapid succession.


Re: O E classic again

The Gamages
 

Hello Gene,
 
It seems that, after 10 January 2017, it is no longer downloadable from Microsoft.
 
Best Regards, Jim.
 

From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2017 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] O E classic again
 
What do you mean Live Essentials is no more.  People still use it who are using Windows 8 or 10.  I don't know why it disappeared in the upgrade but it can be reinstalled.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2017 8:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] O E classic again

Hello all,

I just did a system upgrade for a friend and found that live essentials is
no more.  He didn't go all the way to windows 10 so he is stuck without an
email client.  OE classic is inaccessible, but I paid not as much attention
to the discussions on it as I should have.  So, I installed it and was less
than happy with the result.  My friend is even more disgruntled as you can
imagine.  Is any work being done to make an add-on to support OE classic? 
If so, how can we contribute?  Neither of us are coders, but we may be able
to help with funding and testing.

Thanks,

Erik

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Re: controlling the mouse?

john s
 

Jim, yep, you can still use the Capslock key as it is normally used.


earlier, The Gamages, wrote:

Hello Gene,
 
I’ve probably been under a missapprehension for years here, are you saying that I can use the caps lock as an NVDA modifier and still use it for it’s original purpose as a caps lock in, for instance, a word processor? when I think about it it is used in conjunction with other keys for the NVDA modifier, I’ve probably been thick in this instance for years, but I bet I’m not the only one, so I will take it on the chin if it clears up for people like me, what was probably obvious to others.
 
Best Regards, Jim.
 
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2017 1:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] controlling the mouse?
 
Make the caps lock key another NVDA key.  If you do this, you won't find the command difficult.  It doesn't matter if you are using the laptop or desktop layout.  there is a check box in the NVDA key settings dialog that will do this in either layout.  I use the caps lock key as the NVDA modifier regularly.  I hate using insert down arrow for read to end.  I use caps lock down arrow.. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
 
From: The Gamages
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2017 7:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] controlling the mouse?
 
Hello,
 
Having followed this thread for some time, I can see uses for the golden cursor in conjunction with other NVDA navigation modes, it could be particularly good for unlabelled graphics with sighted help I suppose, I do find the keystrokes you mention to be particularly clumsy using a normal keyboard however, NVDA key plus shift plus M is not at all easy to do, especially if listening for a particular place in a read out , could there be another way of doing this? on a laptop it is probably not a problem if using the caps lock as a moderator key.
 
Best Regards, Jim.
 
From: Dejan Ristic
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2017 10:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] controlling the mouse?
 

Hi David,

 

I have just taken a liking to the word "tool box" you mentioned in this thread. Let me list what I use to keep pace with the screen on my computer.

 

First, I use Golden cursor.

 

Second, I use the review modes.

 

Third, I use the add-on called Objpad

 

The forth instance of use is rather a method. If I am not able to scroll down along the screen where I wish to place either the reviews and/or Golden cursor, or even Objpad, I simply press NVDA plus B, listening carefully what is read to me. As soon as I hear a desired element and/or item pronounced, I, for instance, press NVDA plus Shift plus M, in order to place the mouse pointer to the current navigator object (being the position at which I stopped reading by pressing NVDA plus Shift plus M). Afterwards, I can do the following:

 

I can either bring up Golden cursor, and/or save the position, or even I can operate the position I have previously stopped at by placing the mouse pointer to the current navigator object, so as to handle it on the spot. I have played in that way as far as VLC Media Player is concerned.

 

I simply want to say that I will use whatever I can. Let my tool box be a fully blown beach ball!

On 2/5/2017 2:38 AM, David Moore wrote:

I keep saying that the more tools you have at your disposal, the more you can do. Let us say, on the job, that you can do 90 percent of what you need to do with key commands. I have used the mouse to do the other ten percent. Ten percent on the job is a lot. If the blind keep being told that they do not need the mouse at all, they will not know that they can do certain tasks on the job ten percent of the time, and they might not be able to do their job. The mouse does have a crutial use in cases where one's job depends on it. Golden Cursor makes it so easy to work with the mouse, that someone might be able to do their job. This is how important the Golden Cursor is. This is why I am so passionate about it. A blind person might be able to use the mouse even 2 percent that will allow them to keep their job. That is important. The mouse pointer can access controls that object review will never find on the screen. Pointing and clicking with the touch pad or mouse, can enable me to access web sites that I could not access any other way. I am not saying that one way is better than another way. We will indeed use key commands 90 percent of the time. However, in my personal and work life, being able to control the mouse and point and clicked has gotten me out of jams 10 percent of the time. Why don't people want every tool in their tool box they can have, just in case they might need that tool 1 percent of the time. That 1 percent might make a difference if you can do something at work or not. I am just saying that it is good if you can include the mouse in your tool box, in case you might need it at a crucial time. The Golden cursor is the best way that I have been able to find where you can use the mouse pretty good. The Golden Cursor allows a windows user to use the mouse pretty good. Try it for yourself, before you make a judgement. Even JAWS added the feature to be able to move the mouse and hear what is under the mouse. Sometimes, maybe at work, that is the only way you might be able to access something so you can keep your job. Therefore, it is worth keeping that mouse option hidden in your tool box, and you might be using it more than you think if you need to access a very important control on a page, your job might depend on it.

David Moore

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From: Gene
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 11:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] controlling the mouse?

 

You are assuming that review modes see everything the mouse sees.  Unless you have done enough comparison to know that is an unsupported assumption.  I don't assume that every thing in every program that can be moved to with a mouse can be moved to using various review modes.  While I don't need to use a mouse to use the programs I use and review modes allow me access to what I want, I have no basis to assume that I won't find a program where I can see things with a mouse I can't otherwise.  Also, some links on the Internet require a mouse to activate them.  I haven't played with a mouse on a web site but having a mouse may make working with this or that site to do something possible, if cumbersome.

 

Gene

------ Original Message -----

From: Dennis L

Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 7:55 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] controlling the mouse?

 

I have no problem using the key navigation. I see no need for a mouse.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [ mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of john s
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 5:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] controlling the mouse?

 

I don't mind moving the mouse pointer when I have to and I use Window Eyes mouse keys to do so.  Otherwise, I don't care where something is on the screen as long as I can get to it, first with keystrokes and then with mouse keys.


earlier, David Moore, wrote:

Hi all,
There is something else that excites me about the golden cursor. I like to be able to do a task like a sighted person does instead of always using navigation commands. It is harder to move the mouse instead of using object review or screen review, and routing the mouse to that spot. However, when I can move my mouse around and find a control in a program with the mouse pointer, it sure gives me a sense of satisfaction. I get so excited, when I can do something like a sighted person. I use object and screen review to the max, and do everything I can with key commands, but it really excites me when I can move the mouse pointer around and find something just like a sighted person. When I show a sighted person how I move the mouse pointer and save positions with Golden cursor, that excites them about my assistive technology much more than when they see me using key commands. We all need to show off what we can do to sighted friends, to get the sighted excited about what the blind can do. So, there is a reason to use the Golden cursor for excitement and fun, and not just to get the job done. I don't like to just get the job done. I like to get a visual picture of everything and do something just like I would if I was sighted. I don't know if any of you feel that way or not. I want the sighted seeing my technology, as well as the blind. Moving the mouse with Golden cursor, is something sighted friends can really relate to, because they use the mouse. I only use a computer a third of the time to get the job done. The other two thirds of the time is to be adventurous and try doing tasks different ways, and always be researching how something might be done. A lot of inventions have been made by doing just that, not just getting the job done. I am a research person, not someone who just wants to get the job done. Maybe that is why I get excited over something like Golden cursor, because you can actually move the mouse around. I can't stress enough, that it really helps the blind to have a visual picture of where everything is on the screen. If you always use key commands, you do not know the visual layout, and where things are in your mind. I am a very visual person even though I am blind, if that makes sense. I had half of my sight until I was 15, and I constantly think as I saw then. I am 50 now, and I still have good light perception. Maybe that makes a difference of why I have to have a visual picture of everything to be happy. Only using key commands, a blind person is left without a visual reference. I am always asking sighted people where the mouse is on the computer screen if I am using JAWS. This is why I love NVDA and Golden Cursor, because I can hear in pixels of where something is on the screen, and get a picture in my mind of where that is. No matter what I do, even with key commands, I want to see it in my mind like I am looking at the screen. Does anyone else feel like this. I learn better if I can see something in my mind instead of just memorizing a bunch of key commands and not having a visual reference of what those commands are doing on the screen. It is the same with me and a phone. I want to picture the icons and everything. I wish NVDA told us what the icons looked like, what color they are and so on. Let me know what you think about all of this. Let us love technology as well as just getting the job done. Take care, guys,
David Moore
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From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 11:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] controlling the mouse?
 
I didn't say that.  I said that numpad insert numpad slash moves the mouse to the location of the review cursor.  I also said that the left click command is numpad slash.  Just numpad slash by itself. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Travis Siegel
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 10:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] controlling the mouse?
 

In your original email, you said that numpad zero/insert and the slash key would move the cursor to the location of the mouse.  I'm saying that command performs a left click, it does not move the mouse cursor (or any other cursor) anywhere, if you want to move the cursor, you want the shift-numpad-dash key combination.  That's all I'm saying now, and that's all I said to start with.  Go back and read your email again (I did), and it clearly says move the cursor with the numpad and slash key combo, that information is incorrect, I simply corrected that information, that's all, this doesn't have to be a long drawn out thread, simply to correct a key combination.

 
 
On 2/2/2017 12:26 PM, Gene wrote:

I just looked at the commands given on the Golden Cursor page.  No such commands are given.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 11:12 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] controlling the mouse?

 

Are you giving commands for NVDA or the Golden cursor add on?  The commands may be correct for the Golden Cursor add on, I don't know.  For NVDA the move mouse to review position is as I stated.  For NVDA, to click the mouse command is numpad slash. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Travis Siegel

Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 9:25 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] controlling the mouse?

 

The command to move the focus to something is shift-numpad zero-dash This will move the actual focus of the mouse to the position in question.  I believe the numpad zero-slash key simulates a left button click, not actual focus movement.

 

 

On 2/2/2017 8:23 AM, Gene wrote:

In the first copy of this message I sent to the list I mistakenly have a phrase at the end that says something like announce items under the mouse.  That was an error and I have removed it from this copy.

 

Gene

 

There may be objects you can find with the mouse that you can't find using object review or screen review, I don't know.  But much of what is being described in terms of looking at a screen and finding things can be done with screen review or object review.  Sometimes, one of those modes finds something another doesn't find.  And the thing about the Golden cursor, as I understand it, is that you can set pixel points to move immediately to something.  But people who don't properly learn to use object navigation and screen review are doing themselves a disservice if they are advanced users and want to do things that can't be done with standard keyboard navigation. 

 

If you find something using object review or screen review and want to move the simulated mouse to it, using the desktop layout, the command to move the mouse is numpad insert numpad slash.  Hold numpad insert and, while doing so, press numpad slash.  I don't use the laptop layout and don't know the command.  In most cases, the mouse will now be at the position of the object.  You should now be able to use the Golden cursor to set a return point. 

 

I haven't used the Golden cursor because I don't use programs where doing so is an advantage.  But as I understand the description given of how to use it, a good deal of the excitement is the result of not using object navigation and screen review to advantage. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Antony Stone

Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 4:41 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] controlling the mouse?

 

If NVDA could know where all the interesting or useful objects were, I think

we'd have a far better way of interacting with them instead of having to move

the mouse pointer around.

The problem (or at least one of them) is that you often don't know where an

object is or what it can do until you put the mouse pointer on top of it.

Antony.

On Thursday 02 February 2017 at 11:26:41, john s wrote:

> I would find this mouse movement more exciting if

> the pointer would move from object to object rather than by number of

> pixels.

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John