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Re: NVDA question regarding Mac Keyboard

Hector Elias <hmelias09@...>
 

Hello Everyone:

Thank you for your responses. I am sorry that I was not more specific on my earlier post. I am running boot camp on a 2012 iMac, so I do not have the touch bar. When I press NVDA + 1 to enter "Input  Help" I get the following message, "NVDA + Shift + right arrow moves the navigator object to the next object." On my Mac I use the FN key with the right arrow to perform the key stroke to simulate the "End" key. When I press just the FN + right arrow, when in input help, I get the message, "end". So I know that the latter key combination works. I wonder if it will only take certain keys at once. If so, besides using Sharp keys, is there another work around anyone knows of?

I hope this clarifies any questions you may have.

Thanks again,

Hector

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 2:41 AM, James AUSTIN <james.londonsw15@...> wrote:
Hi again folks

I forgot to add that on Mac laptop and Apple wireless keyboards, the FN key is on the bottom left row at the far left. On wired Apple keyboards, if I remember correctly the FN key is in place of the Insert key, at the far left of the block of six above the arrow keys.

Take care

James



On 06/02/2017 10:36, James AUSTIN wrote:
Hi all,

On a Mac the Windows key is mapped to the Apple key which is in the place of the ALT key on a PC keyboard. As for the touch strip along the top of Mac laptop keyboards is usable with Voice Over, but at present the touch strip has not found its way to the desktop keyboard.

For other Windows key bindings, there is I think an app called Sharp Keys.

Take care

James

On 06/02/2017 10:16, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
I think many macs do not have what we call windows keys, so how this is supposed to all be possible without some form of windos keyboard is anyyones guess. also ratherer worryingly, many new laptop Macs have no function keys, just a touch section which can have custom keys mapped to various parts of it in Mac O/S.

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2017 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question regarding Mac Keyboard


Hi Hector,

You mention this keyboard doesn't have an END key - do you need to press
another key as well - I know on a lot of smaller than full size keyboards,
they include a "Fn" key - on Windows keyboards it's usually near the bottom
left, and to get to some functions / keys you need to press that with
another key.  So if END is actually on the down arrow, you might need to
press NVDA+SHIFT+FN+DOWN ARROW?

As Sukil said, try it in Input Help mode (press NVDA+F1) and see what that
reads out.  That should confirm you have the correct keystroke, and also
some keyboards may not let you press more than two or three keys at once.

Finally, with the status bar, check that the program you are using actually
has a status bar, as not all do.  If the program you are in doesn't have a
status bar, NVDA should still report "No status line found."

Regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Sukil Etxenike via Groups.Io <
sukiletxe=yahoo.es@groups.io> wrote:

Hi,

Try using input help (NVDA + F1) and tell us what NVDA says when pressing
the keystroke. Also, try using the  laptop keyboard.

Regards,

Sukil


El 06/02/2017 a las 7:57, Hector Elias escribió:

Hello:

I am new to NVDA, and I am using Windows 10 on a MAC using Boot Camp.
I am using the bluetooth keyboard, which doesn't have a numbpad. When
I am using the keyboard command NVDA+Shift+End to read the status
line; it doesn't work. Does anyone know if  there is a specific issue
with a MAC keyboard? I tried it on my XPS13 and it worked; however,
that keyboard actually has a "END" key. Or is it something to do with
a setting I am not aware of?

Any input is appreciated.

Thanks,

Hector
NVDA and the Nano text editor

James AUSTIN
 

Hi folks

Apologies as i have asked a similar question before. Does anyone on list use Nano, a UNIX command line text editor please? I am able to read and edit text with the arrow keys, but NVDA cannot see Nano's cursor when it is moved with Nano-specific commands. The same is also true for VIM ---
another text editor.

While I can use Notepadd ++ and other graphical text editors, I work a lot with the command line and would prefer to stay within it if at all possible.

I think Travis has used Nano on here?

Thanks

Take care

James
Re: O E classic again

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

No problem I appreciate the suggestion.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2017 12:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] O E classic again

 

It only was a suggestion, I'm sorry.

 

Chris.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Dennis L

Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2017 11:50 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] O E classic again

 

Not everyone likes thunderbird. Used it don’t like it.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2017 6:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] O E classic again

 

Why not just use Thunderbird, being it's fully supported, and being NVDA works absolutely beautifully! with it?

 

Chris.

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2017 9:46 AM

Subject: [nvda] O E classic again

 

Hello all,

I just did a system upgrade for a friend and found that live essentials is
no more.  He didn't go all the way to windows 10 so he is stuck without an
email client.  OE classic is inaccessible, but I paid not as much attention
to the discussions on it as I should have.  So, I installed it and was less
than happy with the result.  My friend is even more disgruntled as you can
imagine.  Is any work being done to make an add-on to support OE classic? 
If so, how can we contribute?  Neither of us are coders, but we may be able
to help with funding and testing.

Thanks,

Erik

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Re: NVDA question regarding Mac Keyboard

James AUSTIN
 

Hi again folks

I forgot to add that on Mac laptop and Apple wireless keyboards, the FN key is on the bottom left row at the far left. On wired Apple keyboards, if I remember correctly the FN key is in place of the Insert key, at the far left of the block of six above the arrow keys.

Take care

James

On 06/02/2017 10:36, James AUSTIN wrote:
Hi all,

On a Mac the Windows key is mapped to the Apple key which is in the place of the ALT key on a PC keyboard. As for the touch strip along the top of Mac laptop keyboards is usable with Voice Over, but at present the touch strip has not found its way to the desktop keyboard.

For other Windows key bindings, there is I think an app called Sharp Keys.

Take care

James

On 06/02/2017 10:16, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
I think many macs do not have what we call windows keys, so how this is supposed to all be possible without some form of windos keyboard is anyyones guess. also ratherer worryingly, many new laptop Macs have no function keys, just a touch section which can have custom keys mapped to various parts of it in Mac O/S.

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2017 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question regarding Mac Keyboard


Hi Hector,

You mention this keyboard doesn't have an END key - do you need to press
another key as well - I know on a lot of smaller than full size keyboards,
they include a "Fn" key - on Windows keyboards it's usually near the bottom
left, and to get to some functions / keys you need to press that with
another key. So if END is actually on the down arrow, you might need to
press NVDA+SHIFT+FN+DOWN ARROW?

As Sukil said, try it in Input Help mode (press NVDA+F1) and see what that
reads out. That should confirm you have the correct keystroke, and also
some keyboards may not let you press more than two or three keys at once.

Finally, with the status bar, check that the program you are using actually
has a status bar, as not all do. If the program you are in doesn't have a
status bar, NVDA should still report "No status line found."

Regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Sukil Etxenike via Groups.Io <
sukiletxe=yahoo.es@groups.io> wrote:

Hi,

Try using input help (NVDA + F1) and tell us what NVDA says when pressing
the keystroke. Also, try using the laptop keyboard.

Regards,

Sukil


El 06/02/2017 a las 7:57, Hector Elias escribió:

Hello:

I am new to NVDA, and I am using Windows 10 on a MAC using Boot Camp.
I am using the bluetooth keyboard, which doesn't have a numbpad. When
I am using the keyboard command NVDA+Shift+End to read the status
line; it doesn't work. Does anyone know if there is a specific issue
with a MAC keyboard? I tried it on my XPS13 and it worked; however,
that keyboard actually has a "END" key. Or is it something to do with
a setting I am not aware of?

Any input is appreciated.

Thanks,

Hector
Re: NVDA question regarding Mac Keyboard

James AUSTIN
 

Hi all,

On a Mac the Windows key is mapped to the Apple key which is in the place of the ALT key on a PC keyboard. As for the touch strip along the top of Mac laptop keyboards is usable with Voice Over, but at present the touch strip has not found its way to the desktop keyboard.

For other Windows key bindings, there is I think an app called Sharp Keys.

Take care

James

On 06/02/2017 10:16, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
I think many macs do not have what we call windows keys, so how this is supposed to all be possible without some form of windos keyboard is anyyones guess. also ratherer worryingly, many new laptop Macs have no function keys, just a touch section which can have custom keys mapped to various parts of it in Mac O/S.

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2017 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question regarding Mac Keyboard


Hi Hector,

You mention this keyboard doesn't have an END key - do you need to press
another key as well - I know on a lot of smaller than full size keyboards,
they include a "Fn" key - on Windows keyboards it's usually near the bottom
left, and to get to some functions / keys you need to press that with
another key. So if END is actually on the down arrow, you might need to
press NVDA+SHIFT+FN+DOWN ARROW?

As Sukil said, try it in Input Help mode (press NVDA+F1) and see what that
reads out. That should confirm you have the correct keystroke, and also
some keyboards may not let you press more than two or three keys at once.

Finally, with the status bar, check that the program you are using actually
has a status bar, as not all do. If the program you are in doesn't have a
status bar, NVDA should still report "No status line found."

Regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Sukil Etxenike via Groups.Io <
sukiletxe=yahoo.es@groups.io> wrote:

Hi,

Try using input help (NVDA + F1) and tell us what NVDA says when pressing
the keystroke. Also, try using the laptop keyboard.

Regards,

Sukil


El 06/02/2017 a las 7:57, Hector Elias escribió:

Hello:

I am new to NVDA, and I am using Windows 10 on a MAC using Boot Camp.
I am using the bluetooth keyboard, which doesn't have a numbpad. When
I am using the keyboard command NVDA+Shift+End to read the status
line; it doesn't work. Does anyone know if there is a specific issue
with a MAC keyboard? I tried it on my XPS13 and it worked; however,
that keyboard actually has a "END" key. Or is it something to do with
a setting I am not aware of?

Any input is appreciated.

Thanks,

Hector
Re: O E classic again

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I believe like a lot of things, its gone past its support date, which means yes, you can probably still use it but nobody is fixing bugs etc.
I've noticed that some older updates for no longer supported versions of Word have also been pulled down causing later versions of windows to report that lots of automatic updates failed with unable to download the update. It seems they have forgotten to tell 7 and up updaters not to keep trying to download removed office updates, which is a little bit messy in my view.
Most of the ones I see are updates for powerpoint, word and Escel etc in Office 2002/3.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "The Gamages" <james.gamage@btinternet.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2017 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] O E classic again


Hello Gene,

It seems that, after 10 January 2017, it is no longer downloadable from
Microsoft.

Best Regards, Jim.

From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2017 2:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] O E classic again

What do you mean Live Essentials is no more. People still use it who are
using Windows 8 or 10. I don't know why it disappeared in the upgrade but
it can be reinstalled.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: erik burggraaf
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2017 8:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] O E classic again


Hello all,

I just did a system upgrade for a friend and found that live essentials is
no more. He didn't go all the way to windows 10 so he is stuck without an
email client. OE classic is inaccessible, but I paid not as much attention
to the discussions on it as I should have. So, I installed it and was less
than happy with the result. My friend is even more disgruntled as you can
imagine. Is any work being done to make an add-on to support OE classic?
If so, how can we contribute? Neither of us are coders, but we may be able
to help with funding and testing.

Thanks,

Erik

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Re: NVDA question regarding Mac Keyboard

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I think many macs do not have what we call windows keys, so how this is supposed to all be possible without some form of windos keyboard is anyyones guess. also ratherer worryingly, many new laptop Macs have no function keys, just a touch section which can have custom keys mapped to various parts of it in Mac O/S.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2017 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA question regarding Mac Keyboard


Hi Hector,

You mention this keyboard doesn't have an END key - do you need to press
another key as well - I know on a lot of smaller than full size keyboards,
they include a "Fn" key - on Windows keyboards it's usually near the bottom
left, and to get to some functions / keys you need to press that with
another key. So if END is actually on the down arrow, you might need to
press NVDA+SHIFT+FN+DOWN ARROW?

As Sukil said, try it in Input Help mode (press NVDA+F1) and see what that
reads out. That should confirm you have the correct keystroke, and also
some keyboards may not let you press more than two or three keys at once.

Finally, with the status bar, check that the program you are using actually
has a status bar, as not all do. If the program you are in doesn't have a
status bar, NVDA should still report "No status line found."

Regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Sukil Etxenike via Groups.Io <
sukiletxe=yahoo.es@groups.io> wrote:

Hi,

Try using input help (NVDA + F1) and tell us what NVDA says when pressing
the keystroke. Also, try using the laptop keyboard.

Regards,

Sukil


El 06/02/2017 a las 7:57, Hector Elias escribió:

Hello:

I am new to NVDA, and I am using Windows 10 on a MAC using Boot Camp.
I am using the bluetooth keyboard, which doesn't have a numbpad. When
I am using the keyboard command NVDA+Shift+End to read the status
line; it doesn't work. Does anyone know if there is a specific issue
with a MAC keyboard? I tried it on my XPS13 and it worked; however,
that keyboard actually has a "END" key. Or is it something to do with
a setting I am not aware of?

Any input is appreciated.

Thanks,

Hector






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Re: NVDA question regarding Mac Keyboard

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Hector,

You mention this keyboard doesn't have an END key - do you need to press another key as well - I know on a lot of smaller than full size keyboards, they include a "Fn" key - on Windows keyboards it's usually near the bottom left, and to get to some functions / keys you need to press that with another key.  So if END is actually on the down arrow, you might need to press NVDA+SHIFT+FN+DOWN ARROW?

As Sukil said, try it in Input Help mode (press NVDA+F1) and see what that reads out.  That should confirm you have the correct keystroke, and also some keyboards may not let you press more than two or three keys at once.

Finally, with the status bar, check that the program you are using actually has a status bar, as not all do.  If the program you are in doesn't have a status bar, NVDA should still report "No status line found."

Regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Sukil Etxenike via Groups.Io <sukiletxe@...> wrote:
Hi,

Try using input help (NVDA + F1) and tell us what NVDA says when pressing the keystroke. Also, try using the  laptop keyboard.

Regards,

Sukil


El 06/02/2017 a las 7:57, Hector Elias escribió:
Hello:

I am new to NVDA, and I am using Windows 10 on a MAC using Boot Camp.
I am using the bluetooth keyboard, which doesn't have a numbpad. When
I am using the keyboard command NVDA+Shift+End to read the status
line; it doesn't work. Does anyone know if  there is a specific issue
with a MAC keyboard? I tried it on my XPS13 and it worked; however,
that keyboard actually has a "END" key. Or is it something to do with
a setting I am not aware of?

Any input is appreciated.

Thanks,

Hector










--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 
Re: NVDA question regarding Mac Keyboard

Sukil Etxenike <sukiletxe@...>
 

Hi,

Try using input help (NVDA + F1) and tell us what NVDA says when pressing the keystroke. Also, try using the laptop keyboard.

Regards,

Sukil

El 06/02/2017 a las 7:57, Hector Elias escribió:
Hello:

I am new to NVDA, and I am using Windows 10 on a MAC using Boot Camp.
I am using the bluetooth keyboard, which doesn't have a numbpad. When
I am using the keyboard command NVDA+Shift+End to read the status
line; it doesn't work. Does anyone know if there is a specific issue
with a MAC keyboard? I tried it on my XPS13 and it worked; however,
that keyboard actually has a "END" key. Or is it something to do with
a setting I am not aware of?

Any input is appreciated.

Thanks,

Hector
Re: O E classic again

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

No me neither likewise live mail and other more recent clients. What I find bad for me is having all the accounts in one long tree which can make it muddly and hard to figure out which folders are tied to which accounts for sorting and if you hide some then you tend to lose messages when you forgot you hid them and have rules sending email there which you forgot you had!
This is why using the bodged up Outlook express is what I'm doing.
Outlook is like using a swiss army knife as screwdriver. it has far too much in it.
20 Euro is not a great amount for three installs on different machines.
It of course still has the bugs OE always had like the preview pane can crash it through nvda, but who wants that preview pane in any case.
It also seems to be handling the secure connections fine as well. Yesterday I had to reinstall it due to it losing the ability to remember passwords, but I took the opportunity to get archived many old emails and tweak some rules while I was at it, It kept the accounts OK though so I'm not complaining. It forced me to do some housekeeping.

The one problem it seems to share with other old clients is that if Windows 10 decides to make a whole new build like the anniversary one it trashes it, so its best to back up all messages when you get wind of an impending mega update from Microsoft.
I had a look at the weird client in 10, but its a tonka toy really.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis L" <dennisl1982@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2017 4:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] O E classic again


Not everyone likes thunderbird. Used it don't like it.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2017 6:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] O E classic again



Why not just use Thunderbird, being it's fully supported, and being NVDA
works absolutely beautifully! with it?



Chris.



----- Original Message -----

From: erik burggraaf <mailto:erik@erik-burggraaf.com>

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2017 9:46 AM

Subject: [nvda] O E classic again



Hello all,

I just did a system upgrade for a friend and found that live essentials is
no more. He didn't go all the way to windows 10 so he is stuck without an
email client. OE classic is inaccessible, but I paid not as much attention
to the discussions on it as I should have. So, I installed it and was less
than happy with the result. My friend is even more disgruntled as you can
imagine. Is any work being done to make an add-on to support OE classic?
If so, how can we contribute? Neither of us are coders, but we may be able
to help with funding and testing.

Thanks,

Erik

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NVDA question regarding Mac Keyboard

Hector Elias <hmelias09@...>
 

Hello:

I am new to NVDA, and I am using Windows 10 on a MAC using Boot Camp.
I am using the bluetooth keyboard, which doesn't have a numbpad. When
I am using the keyboard command NVDA+Shift+End to read the status
line; it doesn't work. Does anyone know if there is a specific issue
with a MAC keyboard? I tried it on my XPS13 and it worked; however,
that keyboard actually has a "END" key. Or is it something to do with
a setting I am not aware of?

Any input is appreciated.

Thanks,

Hector
Re: O E classic again

Shaun Everiss
 

Its thunderbird's answer to a callendar, I have not used it, I don't want it and its not accessible but to be honest with it off performance went up.
I only use thunderbird as a traditional email client, its about all I use it for I know I am not using its entire power or featureset but so what.

On 6/02/2017 1:43 p.m., Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
What's the lightning app?

Chris.

----- Original Message -----
From: Shaun Everiss
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2017 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] O E classic again


Just use thunderbird allready, seriously its not that bad just get rid
of the lightning app so it doesn't suck.



On 6/02/2017 3:46 a.m., erik burggraaf wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I just did a system upgrade for a friend and found that live essentials
> is no more. He didn't go all the way to windows 10 so he is stuck
> without an email client. OE classic is inaccessible, but I paid not as
> much attention to the discussions on it as I should have. So, I
> installed it and was less than happy with the result. My friend is even
> more disgruntled as you can imagine. Is any work being done to make an
> add-on to support OE classic? If so, how can we contribute? Neither of
> us are coders, but we may be able to help with funding and testing.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Erik
>
> Sent with AquaMail for Android
> http://www.aqua-mail.com
>
>
>
>
>
> .
>
Re: O E classic again

Shaun Everiss
 

Hmmm well its about all we have that works to be honest.
windows mail is another choice.
live mail 2009 is another choice.
Eudora 7.1 is good but you need to enter certifficates all the time but its ok for non ssl systems I guess.
The bat and pegisus mail come to mind unsure about status.
Thunderbird without lightning is fine.
The only difference between thunderbird and more traditional mail apps is that while it does have menus similar to a desktop app, like skype its basically a web app using the firefox engine which is using the chrome engine.
It can run different clients fron irc to mail to rss to news so I guess we could call it a net shell to be technical.
I am not sure if traditional mail programs exist, with the event of tablets and other things, short of going to a universal app, a web app or web shell like this is probably a good transition.
Its not perfect, but just like nvda it and its browser companian firefox, see monkey, and the mozilla brouser and mail client before it is modular.
Its what attracts me to the system.

On 6/02/2017 5:50 p.m., Dennis L wrote:
Not everyone likes thunderbird. Used it don't like it.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2017 6:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] O E classic again



Why not just use Thunderbird, being it's fully supported, and being NVDA
works absolutely beautifully! with it?



Chris.



----- Original Message -----

From: erik burggraaf <mailto:erik@erik-burggraaf.com>

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2017 9:46 AM

Subject: [nvda] O E classic again



Hello all,

I just did a system upgrade for a friend and found that live essentials is
no more. He didn't go all the way to windows 10 so he is stuck without an
email client. OE classic is inaccessible, but I paid not as much attention
to the discussions on it as I should have. So, I installed it and was less
than happy with the result. My friend is even more disgruntled as you can
imagine. Is any work being done to make an add-on to support OE classic?
If so, how can we contribute? Neither of us are coders, but we may be able
to help with funding and testing.

Thanks,

Erik

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Re: O E classic again

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

It only was a suggestion, I'm sorry.
 
Chris.
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis L
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2017 11:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] O E classic again

Not everyone likes thunderbird. Used it don’t like it.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2017 6:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] O E classic again

 

Why not just use Thunderbird, being it's fully supported, and being NVDA works absolutely beautifully! with it?

 

Chris.

 

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Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2017 9:46 AM

Subject: [nvda] O E classic again

 

Hello all,

I just did a system upgrade for a friend and found that live essentials is
no more.  He didn't go all the way to windows 10 so he is stuck without an
email client.  OE classic is inaccessible, but I paid not as much attention
to the discussions on it as I should have.  So, I installed it and was less
than happy with the result.  My friend is even more disgruntled as you can
imagine.  Is any work being done to make an add-on to support OE classic? 
If so, how can we contribute?  Neither of us are coders, but we may be able
to help with funding and testing.

Thanks,

Erik

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Re: O E classic again

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

Not everyone likes thunderbird. Used it don’t like it.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2017 6:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] O E classic again

 

Why not just use Thunderbird, being it's fully supported, and being NVDA works absolutely beautifully! with it?

 

Chris.

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2017 9:46 AM

Subject: [nvda] O E classic again

 

Hello all,

I just did a system upgrade for a friend and found that live essentials is
no more.  He didn't go all the way to windows 10 so he is stuck without an
email client.  OE classic is inaccessible, but I paid not as much attention
to the discussions on it as I should have.  So, I installed it and was less
than happy with the result.  My friend is even more disgruntled as you can
imagine.  Is any work being done to make an add-on to support OE classic? 
If so, how can we contribute?  Neither of us are coders, but we may be able
to help with funding and testing.

Thanks,

Erik

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Re: Facebook

Peter Chin
 

I tried m.facebook.com and it didn’t work on my computer. I am using Windows 8.1.
 

Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Facebook
 
I do not understand while so many blinds use www.facebook.com just use m.facebook.com and there is no problem at all!
 
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2017 2:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Facebook
 
I've asked for a good tutorial on using Facebook with NVDA but so far, no luck.  All anyone says is that Facebook changes their web page interface so radically and so often, that it just isn't possible to use except for Smart Phone app versions.

Roger









On 2/3/2017 6:33 PM, nickjentz@... wrote:

Could anyone help me navigate facebook with nvda. I can click on any of the surrounding information, but can’t seem to get into the newsfeed and have it read.  Specifically, how do I get into the newsfeed and then how do you get it to read?  Thanks for any help.

 

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NVDA and Vario ultra

Simon Jaeger
 

I recently started trying to use my Vario Ultra display a bit more. I noticed right away that it pretty much completely fails as a keyboard using NVDA. I can't use Braille navigation commands, quick navigation keys in browse mode, and last but certainly not least, I can't seem to backspace when writing. I'm wondering if anyone has experience with this and knows of steps I can take to make it easier to use as more than just an output display.
Also, this may be unrelated, but I noticed that when reading a book in something like QRead, my display cuts off its Braille lines at the end of a print line. So if a paragraph just happens not to fit on one line, it gets split up in multiple places and causes me to have to scroll the display quite a lot. Is there anything I can do about this? The "read by paragraph" option seems like it should fix the problem, but in this particular case, it doesn't. The lines within paragraphs aren't separated by actual line breaks or anything, and that is pretty much the extent of my troubleshooting skills.

Thoughts would be much appreciated.
Re: Reading Endnotes

Quentin Christensen
 

I'm sure it could be possible to write an add-on to do this - I'm not aware of one currently.  The other option would be a macro to move the footnote text back into the main document, which would be an option if you want to read through a document, but probably not so much if you want to read in the middle of editing.

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 12:06 PM, kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@...> wrote:
Quentin,

Yep-that's exactly what I was wondering about. I think JAWS does this but not NVDA.

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Date: Sunday, February 5, 2017 5:02 pm
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading Endnotes

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Re: Reading Endnotes

kelby carlson
 

Quentin,

Yep-that's exactly what I was wondering about. I think JAWS does this but not NVDA.

----- Original Message -----
From: Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org>
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Sunday, February 5, 2017 5:02 pm
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading Endnotes



My understanding of Kelby's request was wanting to have the text of the footnote read out while reading a document using Say All - I could be way off of course!






On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Pranav Lal <pranav.lal@gmail.com> wrote:

Quentin,

NVDA should be reading foot notes and end notes the same way as it reads comments.





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Re: Reading Endnotes

Quentin Christensen
 

My understanding of Kelby's request was wanting to have the text of the footnote read out while reading a document using Say All - I could be way off of course!



On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Pranav Lal <pranav.lal@...> wrote:

Quentin,

 

NVDA should be reading  foot notes and end notes  the same way as it reads comments.




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