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Re: announcing empty lines can be annouing
Chris
and ===== can be equally annoying :D
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why not say ten equals instead of repeating over and over :(
On 26/03/2016 11:26, Patrick Le Baudour wrote:
Hi,
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Re: prevent pages from refreshing
Davy Cuppens
Gene
Cobra is the screen reader from www.baum.de a German company for assistive
technologies for the blind.
Regards
Davy
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 8:24 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing I don't know what Cobra is. I can say that in
Firefox, there is a setting to stop the browser from refreshing. I don't
know what effect the setting has on structures such as carousels. Nor do I
know if what is going on has the same or a similar cause because I don't know
what is being described as refreshing in today's message.
If you use firefox, in the main window, press alt,
then press t, wait a moment then o.
Tab once after waiting a moment.
down arrow to advanced.
If you get stuck partway down the list, up arrow
then continue down again to get you unstuck.
Once you get to advanced, start tabbing. You
will see a check box about notifying you if Firefox is being redirected or
refreshing a page. That isn't the exact wording but it's there and my
description should allow you to kno it. Check the check box. There
is no ok button. Continue using firefox now. Or close it if you
wish.
You may find that you get one such message when a
page wants to do something and nothing more during that session of working on
the page. You don't have to worry about closing such messages. They don't
block anything and will be replaced automaticaally with future messages.
As far as commercial screen-readers are concerned,
while they have features to stop refreshes, I don't know if they work in all
cases. I have found times in the past when the JAWS feature didn't work
when confronted by some kinds of page refreshes.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Mallard
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 2:07 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing Hello Davy, I started this topic more than once, and even last week or ten days ago. I was told that "I was describing a way Firefox behaves on my machine", and that if this had been a problem for more people than myself, there would be ah uge number of messages on this (or soemthing to that ilk). Clearly, this is an issue that NVDA should find a way of solving, one way or another. This constant refiesching of webpages is nnoying, and prevents one from working correctly. Other screen readers have a way of blocking this, so it MUST be possible. I'd hate to have to go back to commercial screen readers because of this issue, because more and moe web pages seem to be employing this horrible technology (Carousels, or whatever they call them). Thanks for beinging this up again. Hopefully, since there are now tro of us, someone will take a minute to look into this. Ciao, Ollie Il 25/03/2016 17:34, Davy Cuppens ha scritto: > Hi folks > Is there a way in nvda that one can prevent pages from being > constantly refreshed? In my professional sr Cobra I have a shortcut s > in virtual mode so that pags become static and focus won’t jump to the > front of it. > Regards > Davy >
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Re: prevent pages from refreshing
Davy Cuppens
I am very disappointed to read this all.
Indeed, this is a disadvantage of NVDA; just like you I would like to urge developers to work on this as quick as possible. Regards Davy -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- From: Mallard Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 8:07 PM To: nvda@groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] prevent pages from refreshing Hello Davy, I started this topic more than once, and even last week or ten days ago. I was told that "I was describing a way Firefox behaves on my machine", and that if this had been a problem for more people than myself, there would be ah uge number of messages on this (or soemthing to that ilk). Clearly, this is an issue that NVDA should find a way of solving, one way or another. This constant refiesching of webpages is nnoying, and prevents one from working correctly. Other screen readers have a way of blocking this, so it MUST be possible. I'd hate to have to go back to commercial screen readers because of this issue, because more and moe web pages seem to be employing this horrible technology (Carousels, or whatever they call them). Thanks for beinging this up again. Hopefully, since there are now tro of us, someone will take a minute to look into this. Ciao, Ollie Il 25/03/2016 17:34, Davy Cuppens ha scritto: Hi folks
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Re: announcing empty lines can be annouing
Patrick Le Baudour
Hi,
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I have found one way : add an entry in the dictionnary, with input ^empty$ (assuming nvda tells you empty for empty lines) replaced by nothing. Select regular expression as type. The side effect would be that it probably not read any line, button or any other object containing only the word empty. But so far I have found no better way. -- Patrick.
Le 25/03/2016 17:37, Davy Cuppens a écrit :
Hi folks
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Re: Help me doing this
Patrick Le Baudour
Hello,
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I'm not too sure about what you are describing exactly, but here are some infos that could be useful. - ctrl+alt+n only works with installed version of nvda, not with portables ones. - to work in cmd, it is usually recommended to disable keyboard and word echo. When it is enabled, the result can be annoying, as it reads letters and words of output, and does skip the punctuation with the word reading. If that is done, output should be spoken directly, and you can use review cursor, i.e. numpad with numlock off to browse through already displayedtext (assuming you are using desktop layout). -- Patrick
Le 26/03/2016 07:18, Ajay Sharma a écrit :
Hey guys,
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Re: skype going universal
I also use Skype, but didn't text a lot as most of my friends don't use it; instead I used Line on my iPhone and FB chat through the main Facebook site as those are what the majority of my friends use.
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Re: Nvda on the applevis site while using firefox
Clare Page <clare.page@...>
Hi!
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I read the AppleVis website nearly every day using the latest Firefox and the latest NVDA and have never had the problems you describe. So I can't think of any workarounds, I'm sorry to say! Interesting that we don't all have problems reading text on that website, though! Bye for now! From Clare
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From: brandon [mailto:breedto@...] Sent: vendredi 25 mars 2016 15:53 To: nvda@groups.io Subject: [nvda] Nvda on the applevis site while using firefox Hello all, I really hate asking this question. But has anyone notice anything odd while using nvda on. The applevis site. For example no spaces appearing. Between words in forum posts, app directory entries, and more. I am using the latest version of firefox. Is there anyone else. Facing this issue and if so have you found any work arounds for it. Have a wonderful day. Brandon, Reed Sent from my iPod
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Help me doing this
Ajay Sharma
Hey guys,
Plz suggest a way out to, 1. Read text in command line, CMD. 2. Make NVDA read all the punctuation, while reading line by line or during say all, I tried to set punctuation level to all, but it didn't worked out. 3. Alt + Ctrl + N shortcut is not working. I am using win 10 Home and NVDA 16.1. Thanks in advance! Ajay
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Re: Suggestion for upcoming NVDA build
hmmm snapshots are nightly builds, but I do aggree to some point I know there are softwares with options to update from the right channels.
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Trouble is the only time we have betas and rc builds is just before release its not like they are in a big cycle. As for snapshots, there is the master branch which is mostly stable and contains stuff for the next upcomming, experimental and then there are a couple below that. Bar the master unless you are a dev I see no advantage tto users and it could give them issues. I never download anything bar stable for myself. It all depends though. there was a tool called snapshot downloader but I don't know where it is or if it even works now.
On 26/03/2016 4:51 p.m., Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
I was just thinking how cool of a feature this would be, and I'd not think it would be terribly hard either to implement.
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Re: Any NVDA users using inbox.google.com
I agree inn theory as long as your client supports ssl or tls andd most of them if not all do it shouldn't matter.
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I can remember when you had to buy ssl support and manualy email people that banned me from various sites and groups because I was blacklisted as a spammer. I did ask if ssl was supported though this was when it was new, they didn't, yahoogroups was one such system. They all support it now thank god but older clients that don't get updates to certifficates may have issues accessing things.
On 25/03/2016 11:22 p.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Glad you feel that way. I guess its what you want it to be.
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Re: skype going universal
Well I do use it and I like it.
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There is no other way to chat without skype now. And I am used to it, the desktop interface is mostly ok. However according to ms skype support it will be a while before they quit using the thing. I have heard that miranda can interface with skype, and if that is the case if it can run without skype I may try that, and also may uuse it instead. The only big issue with skype is because I have so many capture devices, vertual and real mics and sound devices sometimes skype has issues finding the right device. So then it will start, stop all sound and lock the system for 5 minutes while it tries to find out. I got really angery at this a couple weeks back and thought that I'd just go and bash the computer or reformat it and then smash it but I went into the settings andd what do you know? Every input device was set on a capture device which is part of a vertual recorder which isn't even supposed to be used and I was able to switch it to the right device and have it stay there by default and although I have updated it its never tried to scan again!
On 26/03/2016 4:30 p.m., Arlene wrote:
I don’t use it either. Joking! In case people use it. Skype is junk!
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Re: and Chromium
chromium is google chrome with all the added stuff google chrome has.
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In theory it should be more accessable than chrome without all the extra google stuff on it.
On 26/03/2016 5:06 a.m., Gene wrote:
Evidently, you are talking about Chromium, not Google Chrome. I doubt that meaningful work has been done either by the Chromium project nor by NVDA on this browser. The popular Google Chrome browser among sighted users is reasonably accessible but I don't expect Chromium, a browser that is not at all widely used and that a lot of people don't even know exists, to be worked on by NVDA developers who, frankly, have much much more important things to work on affecting a great many more users than a browser most people haven't even heard of.
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Re: Weird desktop messages?
Gene
I wouldn't go through the trouble of changing that
setting until others indicate Whether it makes any difference. I'm
not saying this is the case, but I am not at all sure that the details setting
has anything to do with how the desktop displays. I doubt it.
Details is a view setting for how files are displayed in the list of files and
folders in Windows Explorer. There is no such setting for the desktop and
I would think that the setting doesn't apply.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 11:43 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Weird desktop messages? hit view then list. I'd open a folder on the desktop, go do a view/list, alt v then l and then after that go to folder options and view then set folders to current folder and see. If that does not work hit the reset button to reset view, but you will have to redo those options ofcause. On 26/03/2016 2:18 p.m., Matt Turner wrote: > Hi, when i go to the desktop, in windows 8 with the windows key+d, I get all > this extra speech added with my icons. > For example, foobar2000; 1 KB; Shortcut; 3/19/2016 5:17 PM. > The tool tips, and help balloons are turned off in NVDA. > I'm just thinking it's something i accidentally hit. > > . >
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Re: Weird desktop messages?
sounds like you went to details view in a normal folder you only need to hit view then list.
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I'd open a folder on the desktop, go do a view/list, alt v then l and then after that go to folder options and view then set folders to current folder and see. If that does not work hit the reset button to reset view, but you will have to redo those options ofcause.
On 26/03/2016 2:18 p.m., Matt Turner wrote:
Hi, when i go to the desktop, in windows 8 with the windows key+d, I get all
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Re: danger, danger nvda
Well, I have a multipul installs of dotnet from 3.5 to 4.6 here on 7 win10 has 5 and does not run other versions.
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v3.5 works on v2, and v4 on v3 the latest dotnets should work as far back as 2. As for visual c, they shouldn't conflict as such because certain programs need certain libraries. Now, my only wish would be that windows does what linux does. The libs don't take up that much space but even so. I'd prefur say you install something or try to do something.\ Say I want to run x program but its missing y z dll. Windows is unable to start this program because *.dll is not loaded please reinstall. To avoid this I load just about every library I can to stop that error. It happens with codecs. If I am using linux, I type in something to install, it says this needs such and such component, do you want to install it or it tells you what to do. I have often installed programs for ssh and a few things on linux, and got messages like this program is not installed, or this program is part of another install for servers, or in deed, unable to start because this thing is missing. However in linux you can then install it because it basically tells you what to install. If ms would do the same at least with its libs then we wouldn't have this issue better still with linux it tells you what is needed, what could be nice, what is not but if you need it it would be nice or simply whatever. In windows, I have slim dx, java latest, klite codec, visual c 2005sp1 2008sp1 2010 2012 2013 2015 2016 and their 64 bit equivilants. On the subject of python, both 3x and 2x are still supported 2.7x is the version a lot of stuff uses however its a good point a lot of stuff has moved on from the older releases.
On 26/03/2016 2:29 a.m., Pete wrote:
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Re: Suggestion for upcoming NVDA build
Gene
I know you know what snapshots are. But a lot
of people don't.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 11:03 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Suggestion for upcoming NVDA
build I know what Snapshots are, Gene. Smile.
Perhaps you have a point here. I just figured it would make things
possibly a bit more seemless. Shruggs. I guess not
though.
Oh well, it was... worth me asking, I
suppose.
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Christopher Gilland JAWS Certified, 2016. Training Instructor. clgilland07@...
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
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Re: Suggestion for upcoming NVDA build
Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
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I know what Snapshots are, Gene. Smile.
Perhaps you have a point here. I just figured it would make things
possibly a bit more seemless. Shruggs. I guess not
though.
Oh well, it was... worth me asking, I
suppose.
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Christopher Gilland JAWS Certified, 2016. Training Instructor. clgilland07@...
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
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Re: Suggestion for upcoming NVDA build
Gene
I don't think it makes sense to have NVDA download
snapshot builds. For one thing, many users may be confused or not know
what a snapshot is. Snapshots are not production code. They are
intended for testing and having to go to a web site to download snapshots
indicates that the person doing so has enough knowledge to be aware, or to be
reasonably be assumed to be aware, that this is test code and may not run
well. Test code should be kept separate from production code.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 10:51 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Suggestion for upcoming NVDA build I was just thinking how cool of a feature this
would be, and I'd not think it would be terribly hard either to
implement.
How hard would it be from the official build, like
in this case, 2016.1, to put an option in the NVDA menu, maybe under Tools, that
automatically like downloading updates would let the user download and install
the latest snapshot build rather than them having to go out to the web site and
manually get it. Either that, or maybe under the General tab of
preferences, where you have the box to check or uncheck for checking for
updates, maybe have another one that says download snapshot builds when
updating.
What do you all think?
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Christopher Gilland JAWS Certified, 2016. Training Instructor. clgilland07@...
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
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Re: Subgroup and moderator election poll results: subgroup proposal adopted, moderator election will not take place
Daniel Semro <semrodaniel@...>
I'd love to help be a moderator!
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On 3/25/16, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
Hello everyone,
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Suggestion for upcoming NVDA build
Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
I was just thinking how cool of a feature this
would be, and I'd not think it would be terribly hard either to
implement.
How hard would it be from the official build, like
in this case, 2016.1, to put an option in the NVDA menu, maybe under Tools, that
automatically like downloading updates would let the user download and install
the latest snapshot build rather than them having to go out to the web site and
manually get it. Either that, or maybe under the General tab of
preferences, where you have the box to check or uncheck for checking for
updates, maybe have another one that says download snapshot builds when
updating.
What do you all think?
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Christopher Gilland JAWS Certified, 2016. Training Instructor. clgilland07@... Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
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