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Re: NVDA and Excel

Pranav Lal
 

Q,

 

I do need to see cell coordinates more frequently than sheet names. I like Jim’s idea. The thing with cell coordinates is that I may need to see them before entering a formula etc.

 

Pranav


Re: NVDA and Excel

Pranav Lal
 

What limitations?

 

Pranav

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 4:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Excel

 

Hi all,

Due to technical limitations, you’ll not be able to press NVDA+Delete twice to hear detailed info at this time.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 2:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Excel

 

You have already suggested an ideal candidate.  Could a key combination be created that executed the same speech event as that executed when focus is gained.  This reads out the Workbook name, Sheet name and current cell coordinates.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 9 February 2017 22:07
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Excel

 

Thanks Jim,

 

Interesting idea.  It probably comes down to how different users use Excel and this feature.  NVDA does announce the cell coordinates as you move around a worksheet, and also when Excel gets focus to begin with (eg after pressing alt+tab).  The sheet name however, is only read when you move between sheets or move to Excel, so it may be arguable that wanting to confirm the current sheet name is a more common need than wanting to confirm the current sheet coordinates.

 

Open to other thoughts on this from anyone?

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 8:07 AM, Jim Pipczak <jim.pipczak@...> wrote:

Hi Q,

 

Thanks. I would suggest a slight change to the new feature NVDA+numpad delete. A single press tells you the cell coordinates, a double press gives you cell coordinates and sheet name.

 

Thanks,

Jim.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, 8 February 2017 4:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Excel

 

Thanks re the subject Jim.

 

Regarding the question, NVDA+tab to read the item with focus does read the coordinates, although it reads the contents first.  Thinking on it, that's possibly a bug - it should read the location first, then the contents of the item, however, there is an upcoming solution: NVDA+numpad delete (laptop layout is NVDA+delete) will, from 2017.1 (it's in the current master build if you want to try it now), announce the current worksheet name and cell coordinates.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 9:39 AM, Jim Pipczak <jim.pipczak@...> wrote:

Hi,

 

I changed the subject to reflect the nature of the questions. Something I should have done in the first place.

 

Yes 16.4.

 

Thanks,

Jim.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, 7 February 2017 3:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Keep up with NV Access through "In-Process", our new blog

 

Hi Jim,

Which version of NVDA do you have? If you are using 2016.4, this may explain why you’re not getting what you are looking for.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Pipczak
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 8:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Keep up with NV Access through "In-Process", our new blog

 

Hi all,

 

Embarrassingly,  I can’t find the keystroke to give cell coordinates in Excel. I don’t want the content just the cell coordinates.

 

Many thanks,

Jim.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Friday, 20 January 2017 4:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Keep up with NV Access through "In-Process", our new blog

 

Hi everyone,

 

NV Access has a new blog called "In-Process".  We will keep you up to date with the week to week happenings from the organisation, staff and of course, NVDA.

 

The first post of In-Process is online now: http://www.nvaccess.org/category/in-process/

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

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Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

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T: 03 8378 1243 I: 344243 www.visionaustralia.org

 



 

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Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 



 

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Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

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Twitter: @NVAccess 


format factory

coffeekingms@hotmail.com
 

hi all

I've been looking for a good free as in beer audio and video converter
similar to soundconverter on linux to handle format conversions when I'm
in windows. I've come across format factory, and I've installed it.
Skipping past the junkware installations which I personally loathe, I
got it installed. But I can't seem to figure out how to use it, it seems
inaccessible with NVDA. Is there an alternative I can use that's more
accessible? The one thing I need it to be able to do is convert to and
from opus files, as well as strip the audio out of video files. Batch
conversions would be nice as well, since I routinely download tv seasons
from blind mice, and I don't care for mp3 so convert them to a smaller
and better sounding format, so being able to convert an entire folder
would be nice. My only other caveat is that I refuse to pay for
software. I don't want to start any fights on hear but the thought of
paying for software just doesn't sit well with me. Donating is
completely fine, but having to pay for software I've gotten used to
having for free is just, I won't do it unless I absolutely have to. I'm
still a newbie in windows land, having gotten used to the way linux
installs software, and also to an abundance of good quality open source
software, so I'm not used to the way windows software is downloaded,
often going through several circular links where finding the download
link is difficult, and then having to watch out for extra stuff getting
installed along with your program. I talk too much. If format factory
isn't accessible, is there software you guys would recommend instead?
Software to download videos from youtube would also be nice, since
youtube viewer doesn't seem to exist for windows. Any help would be
appreciated.

Thanks

Kendell Clark


Re: Slow MS Word Navigation; Odd Options behavior

Dan Thompson
 

I also have that issue of slow speech and even sometimes studdering.
Are there some solutions?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 8:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Slow MS Word Navigation; Odd Options behavior

Hi, Joseph.

In my case, this issue does not occur with specific documents. In fact, it occurs when I'm writing in a blank document.

David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info

On 2/10/2017 8:24 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi David and others,
Can people affected by this bug write to me offlist, with a problematic Word document attached? I'd like to test the docs against latest development builds I have.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 5:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Slow MS Word Navigation; Odd Options behavior

I have also noticed odd behavior with NVDA and Word 2016. My issues are similar to yours in some ways but different in others.

I am not a Braille display owner and so I'm only using speech.
Specifically, I'm using NVDA 2016.4 on a Windows 10 Pro machine. With other editors, such as Jarte, the responsiveness with NVDA behaves as expected, with no unusual pause when using arrow keys to move the caret or cursor.

With Word 2016, there is a more noticeable delay from the time I press an arrow key until the time I hear the character announced. It is not an unreasonable delay but is just noticeable to be annoying. Turning off Word's visual features, such as animation, did not help. Disabling graphics acceleration, or words to that effect, made no difference.
Oddly, what seems to help is if I set the window to a restored state, rather than a maximized state, and putting Word into draft mode. These steps seem to help with performance.

When I am navigating the Word options dialog via pressing the tab key, there are times when I notice a pause of around 2 seconds from the time I press the tab key until the next option in the dialog is announced.

Finally, when I press ctrl-S to invoke the Save dialog, NVDA is silent, even though the save dialog now has focus. If I do something to move focus away from and then back to the dialog, NVDA reads the dialog. As an example, if I press the alt key twice, NVDA then behaves normally.
This does not occur with other computers I have used and so it could be some weirdness with my video card or graphics card but these are just guesses. I am not writing to complain or to knock NVDA, as it is my screen reader of choice, but just wanted to share my experiences and to see if others who have experienced this might have found other workarounds.

David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info

On 2/10/2017 6:03 PM, Rob wrote:
Windows 7 x64 word 2016, NVDA 2016.4.
There was an extremely aggravating delay between arrow presses and
speech while navigating in word. I rebooted the system, restarted word, turned off "Provide Feedback with Annimations"
, and restarted NVDA. I loaded different documents of different sizes and then I started a blank document with only one line. Still with the slow response while navigating with arrows.
Finally I hit on the idea to turn off braille. Bingo--that was the answer. Navigation speeded up, but of course now I have no braille feedback.
I am using the Handy Tech driver. I have not tested with BRLTTY because I do not have it installed here.
Another odd behavior that happens is in the Word Options dialog. If you tab to an up down edit box and then tab or shift+tab out of it, there is this huge pause, and then the dialog reads from the top or close to it.
Try:
1. Open Word optons, alt+f t
2. Arrow Down to Advanced
3. Tab until you hear
"Show this number of recent Documents"
and then hit tab again. There will be a big delay and then NNVDA will start reading the dialog from the top of visible portion down. In my case, it started reading everything from the copy and paste grouping.








Re: Accessable UML Tool

Arthur BREUNEVAL
 

Hello,
plantuml.jar is a command-line tool.
You need to invoke it via a terminal with:
java -jar plantuml.jar yourUMLDescriptionFile.txt

You need to install GraphViz too, I think all it's explained on the PlantUML website.
But if you don't want to search for the moment, there is a simple kind of thing you can do to test PlantUML.
Look at the homepage of the site, there is a link bringing you to the online PlantUML server. You will be able to paste / write your diagram here, then click submit, and the online server will parse the description for you. Then, you will be able to download a PNG representing your diagram.
I personally use this solution because I haven't found the time to investigate GraphViz installation and Co, and I needed a quick solution working immediately.

Regards,



Arthur BREUNEVAL
Sent with Mozilla Thunderbird.
Le 10/02/2017 à 21:57, Martin O'Sullivan a écrit :

Hi

Thank you for the link, however I could not get it to work when I downloaded the file plantuml.jar and ran it nothing happened no error message just a small logo for a few seconds, and then that went away.

 

Any ideas?

 

 

 




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On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 4:58 PM, Arthur BREUNEVAL via Groups.Io <arthur.breuneval@...> wrote:
Hello Martin,
I personally use PlantUML, which is a simple language for describbing UML diagrams with text.
You can investigate it at plantuml.com.
It is very simple to learn and very intuitive.
Anyway I don't know any program with a GUI allowing to build UML diagrams which is fully accessible.

Hope this help.

Best regards,


Arthur BREUNEVAL
Sent with Mozilla Thunderbird.
Le 09/02/2017 à 16:07, Martin O'Sullivan a écrit :

I have started a course in object orientated programming, as part of that course; I have to produce UML diagrams.  Is there an UML tool; which works with NVDA?

If there is no accessible way of interacting with any UML tool, is there a recognised alternative which can be used by vision impaired software developers?

Unified Modeling language (UML) is a standardized modeling language enabling developers to specify, visualize, construct and document artifacts of a software system. Thus, UML makes these artifacts scalable, secure and robust in execution. UML is an important aspect involved in object-oriented software development.    





Re: Slow MS Word Navigation; Odd Options behavior

 

Hi,
I cannot reproduce this on my computer running latest next and 2016.4.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 6:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Slow MS Word Navigation; Odd Options behavior

Hi, Joseph.

In my case, this issue does not occur with specific documents. In fact, it occurs when I'm writing in a blank document.

David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info

On 2/10/2017 8:24 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi David and others,
Can people affected by this bug write to me offlist, with a problematic Word document attached? I'd like to test the docs against latest development builds I have.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 5:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Slow MS Word Navigation; Odd Options behavior

I have also noticed odd behavior with NVDA and Word 2016. My issues are similar to yours in some ways but different in others.

I am not a Braille display owner and so I'm only using speech.
Specifically, I'm using NVDA 2016.4 on a Windows 10 Pro machine. With other editors, such as Jarte, the responsiveness with NVDA behaves as expected, with no unusual pause when using arrow keys to move the caret or cursor.

With Word 2016, there is a more noticeable delay from the time I press an arrow key until the time I hear the character announced. It is not an unreasonable delay but is just noticeable to be annoying. Turning off Word's visual features, such as animation, did not help. Disabling graphics acceleration, or words to that effect, made no difference.
Oddly, what seems to help is if I set the window to a restored state, rather than a maximized state, and putting Word into draft mode. These steps seem to help with performance.

When I am navigating the Word options dialog via pressing the tab key, there are times when I notice a pause of around 2 seconds from the time I press the tab key until the next option in the dialog is announced.

Finally, when I press ctrl-S to invoke the Save dialog, NVDA is silent, even though the save dialog now has focus. If I do something to move focus away from and then back to the dialog, NVDA reads the dialog. As an example, if I press the alt key twice, NVDA then behaves normally.
This does not occur with other computers I have used and so it could be some weirdness with my video card or graphics card but these are just guesses. I am not writing to complain or to knock NVDA, as it is my screen reader of choice, but just wanted to share my experiences and to see if others who have experienced this might have found other workarounds.

David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info

On 2/10/2017 6:03 PM, Rob wrote:
Windows 7 x64 word 2016, NVDA 2016.4.
There was an extremely aggravating delay between arrow presses and
speech while navigating in word. I rebooted the system, restarted word, turned off "Provide Feedback with Annimations"
, and restarted NVDA. I loaded different documents of different sizes and then I started a blank document with only one line. Still with the slow response while navigating with arrows.
Finally I hit on the idea to turn off braille. Bingo--that was the answer. Navigation speeded up, but of course now I have no braille feedback.
I am using the Handy Tech driver. I have not tested with BRLTTY because I do not have it installed here.
Another odd behavior that happens is in the Word Options dialog. If you tab to an up down edit box and then tab or shift+tab out of it, there is this huge pause, and then the dialog reads from the top or close to it.
Try:
1. Open Word optons, alt+f t
2. Arrow Down to Advanced
3. Tab until you hear
"Show this number of recent Documents"
and then hit tab again. There will be a big delay and then NNVDA will start reading the dialog from the top of visible portion down. In my case, it started reading everything from the copy and paste grouping.








Re: Slow MS Word Navigation; Odd Options behavior

David Goldfield
 

Hi, Joseph.

In my case, this issue does not occur with specific documents. In fact,
it occurs when I'm writing in a blank document.

David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info

On 2/10/2017 8:24 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi David and others,
Can people affected by this bug write to me offlist, with a problematic Word document attached? I'd like to test the docs against latest development builds I have.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 5:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Slow MS Word Navigation; Odd Options behavior

I have also noticed odd behavior with NVDA and Word 2016. My issues are similar to yours in some ways but different in others.

I am not a Braille display owner and so I'm only using speech.
Specifically, I'm using NVDA 2016.4 on a Windows 10 Pro machine. With other editors, such as Jarte, the responsiveness with NVDA behaves as expected, with no unusual pause when using arrow keys to move the caret or cursor.

With Word 2016, there is a more noticeable delay from the time I press an arrow key until the time I hear the character announced. It is not an unreasonable delay but is just noticeable to be annoying. Turning off Word's visual features, such as animation, did not help. Disabling graphics acceleration, or words to that effect, made no difference.
Oddly, what seems to help is if I set the window to a restored state, rather than a maximized state, and putting Word into draft mode. These steps seem to help with performance.

When I am navigating the Word options dialog via pressing the tab key, there are times when I notice a pause of around 2 seconds from the time I press the tab key until the next option in the dialog is announced.

Finally, when I press ctrl-S to invoke the Save dialog, NVDA is silent, even though the save dialog now has focus. If I do something to move focus away from and then back to the dialog, NVDA reads the dialog. As an example, if I press the alt key twice, NVDA then behaves normally.
This does not occur with other computers I have used and so it could be some weirdness with my video card or graphics card but these are just guesses. I am not writing to complain or to knock NVDA, as it is my screen reader of choice, but just wanted to share my experiences and to see if others who have experienced this might have found other workarounds.

David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info

On 2/10/2017 6:03 PM, Rob wrote:
Windows 7 x64 word 2016, NVDA 2016.4.
There was an extremely aggravating delay between arrow presses and
speech while navigating in word. I rebooted the system, restarted word, turned off "Provide Feedback with Annimations"
, and restarted NVDA. I loaded different documents of different sizes and then I started a blank document with only one line. Still with the slow response while navigating with arrows.
Finally I hit on the idea to turn off braille. Bingo--that was the answer. Navigation speeded up, but of course now I have no braille feedback.
I am using the Handy Tech driver. I have not tested with BRLTTY because I do not have it installed here.
Another odd behavior that happens is in the Word Options dialog. If you tab to an up down edit box and then tab or shift+tab out of it, there is this huge pause, and then the dialog reads from the top or close to it.
Try:
1. Open Word optons, alt+f t
2. Arrow Down to Advanced
3. Tab until you hear
"Show this number of recent Documents"
and then hit tab again. There will be a big delay and then NNVDA will start reading the dialog from the top of visible portion down. In my case, it started reading everything from the copy and paste grouping.








Re: Slow MS Word Navigation; Odd Options behavior

kelby carlson
 

I have also had this problem, but it only occurred in one specific
document (which I can't distribute for confidentiality reasons.)

On 2/10/17, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
Hi,
Regarding braille, this is a known issue that NV Access and other folks are
researching. I'd like to see if this is resolved in latest development
builds (the code that's destined for 2017.1).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rob
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 5:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Slow MS Word Navigation; Odd Options behavior

Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
Can people affected by this bug write to me offlist, with a problematic
Word document attached?

For me, it doesn't matter which document is used. And the weird behavior in
the options dialog is not document specific. Just open a document--any
document--with braille active and use carret navigation. Specifically, try
left and right arrow, and control left and right arrow. There will be a
noticeable pause. Turn off braille and the pause goes mostly away.







Re: Slow MS Word Navigation; Odd Options behavior

 

Hi,
Regarding braille, this is a known issue that NV Access and other folks are
researching. I'd like to see if this is resolved in latest development
builds (the code that's destined for 2017.1).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rob
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 5:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Slow MS Word Navigation; Odd Options behavior

Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
Can people affected by this bug write to me offlist, with a problematic
Word document attached?

For me, it doesn't matter which document is used. And the weird behavior in
the options dialog is not document specific. Just open a document--any
document--with braille active and use carret navigation. Specifically, try
left and right arrow, and control left and right arrow. There will be a
noticeable pause. Turn off braille and the pause goes mostly away.


Re: Slow MS Word Navigation; Odd Options behavior

Rob
 

Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
Can people affected by this bug write to me offlist, with a problematic Word document attached?
For me, it doesn't matter which document is used. And the weird behavior in the options dialog is not document specific. Just open a document--any document--with braille active and use carret navigation. Specifically, try left and right arrow, and control left and right arrow. There will be a noticeable pause. Turn off braille and the pause goes mostly away.


Re: Slow MS Word Navigation; Odd Options behavior

 

Hi David and others,
Can people affected by this bug write to me offlist, with a problematic Word document attached? I'd like to test the docs against latest development builds I have.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 5:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Slow MS Word Navigation; Odd Options behavior

I have also noticed odd behavior with NVDA and Word 2016. My issues are similar to yours in some ways but different in others.

I am not a Braille display owner and so I'm only using speech.
Specifically, I'm using NVDA 2016.4 on a Windows 10 Pro machine. With other editors, such as Jarte, the responsiveness with NVDA behaves as expected, with no unusual pause when using arrow keys to move the caret or cursor.

With Word 2016, there is a more noticeable delay from the time I press an arrow key until the time I hear the character announced. It is not an unreasonable delay but is just noticeable to be annoying. Turning off Word's visual features, such as animation, did not help. Disabling graphics acceleration, or words to that effect, made no difference.
Oddly, what seems to help is if I set the window to a restored state, rather than a maximized state, and putting Word into draft mode. These steps seem to help with performance.

When I am navigating the Word options dialog via pressing the tab key, there are times when I notice a pause of around 2 seconds from the time I press the tab key until the next option in the dialog is announced.

Finally, when I press ctrl-S to invoke the Save dialog, NVDA is silent, even though the save dialog now has focus. If I do something to move focus away from and then back to the dialog, NVDA reads the dialog. As an example, if I press the alt key twice, NVDA then behaves normally.
This does not occur with other computers I have used and so it could be some weirdness with my video card or graphics card but these are just guesses. I am not writing to complain or to knock NVDA, as it is my screen reader of choice, but just wanted to share my experiences and to see if others who have experienced this might have found other workarounds.

David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info

On 2/10/2017 6:03 PM, Rob wrote:
Windows 7 x64 word 2016, NVDA 2016.4.
There was an extremely aggravating delay between arrow presses and
speech while navigating in word. I rebooted the system, restarted word, turned off "Provide Feedback with Annimations"
, and restarted NVDA. I loaded different documents of different sizes and then I started a blank document with only one line. Still with the slow response while navigating with arrows.
Finally I hit on the idea to turn off braille. Bingo--that was the answer. Navigation speeded up, but of course now I have no braille feedback.
I am using the Handy Tech driver. I have not tested with BRLTTY because I do not have it installed here.
Another odd behavior that happens is in the Word Options dialog. If you tab to an up down edit box and then tab or shift+tab out of it, there is this huge pause, and then the dialog reads from the top or close to it.
Try:
1. Open Word optons, alt+f t
2. Arrow Down to Advanced
3. Tab until you hear
"Show this number of recent Documents"
and then hit tab again. There will be a big delay and then NNVDA will start reading the dialog from the top of visible portion down. In my case, it started reading everything from the copy and paste grouping.



Re: Slow MS Word Navigation; Odd Options behavior

David Goldfield
 

I have also noticed odd behavior with NVDA and Word 2016. My issues are
similar to yours in some ways but different in others.

I am not a Braille display owner and so I'm only using speech.
Specifically, I'm using NVDA 2016.4 on a Windows 10 Pro machine. With
other editors, such as Jarte, the responsiveness with NVDA behaves as
expected, with no unusual pause when using arrow keys to move the caret
or cursor.

With Word 2016, there is a more noticeable delay from the time I press
an arrow key until the time I hear the character announced. It is not an
unreasonable delay but is just noticeable to be annoying. Turning off
Word's visual features, such as animation, did not help. Disabling
graphics acceleration, or words to that effect, made no difference.
Oddly, what seems to help is if I set the window to a restored state,
rather than a maximized state, and putting Word into draft mode. These
steps seem to help with performance.

When I am navigating the Word options dialog via pressing the tab key,
there are times when I notice a pause of around 2 seconds from the time
I press the tab key until the next option in the dialog is announced.

Finally, when I press ctrl-S to invoke the Save dialog, NVDA is silent,
even though the save dialog now has focus. If I do something to move
focus away from and then back to the dialog, NVDA reads the dialog. As
an example, if I press the alt key twice, NVDA then behaves normally.
This does not occur with other computers I have used and so it could be
some weirdness with my video card or graphics card but these are just
guesses. I am not writing to complain or to knock NVDA, as it is my
screen reader of choice, but just wanted to share my experiences and to
see if others who have experienced this might have found other workarounds.

David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
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On 2/10/2017 6:03 PM, Rob wrote:
Windows 7 x64 word 2016, NVDA 2016.4.
There was an extremely aggravating delay between arrow presses and speech while navigating in word. I rebooted the system, restarted word, turned off
"Provide Feedback with Annimations"
, and restarted NVDA. I loaded different documents of different sizes and then I started a blank document with only one line. Still with the slow response while navigating with arrows.
Finally I hit on the idea to turn off braille. Bingo--that was the answer. Navigation speeded up, but of course now I have no braille feedback.
I am using the Handy Tech driver. I have not tested with BRLTTY because I do not have it installed here.
Another odd behavior that happens is in the Word Options dialog. If you tab to an up down edit box and then tab or shift+tab out of it, there is this huge pause, and then the dialog reads from the top or close to it.
Try:
1. Open Word optons, alt+f t
2. Arrow Down to Advanced
3. Tab until you hear
"Show this number of recent Documents"
and then hit tab again. There will be a big delay and then NNVDA will start reading the dialog from the top of visible portion down. In my case, it started reading everything from the copy and paste grouping.



Re: optimization tools (sorry if this is a repeat)

David Goldfield
 

Hi, Ame.

I used to be heavily into optimization tools and, from the ones I tried,
Ccleaner was the most accessible. However, it is usually the case that
you will not notice much in the way of a performance boost after running
them. True, they can clear off some space by deleting temp files but,
usually, this won't do much to improve your PC's performance. In fact,
some of these tools could, in theory, cause a bit of a slowdown if they
delete your cache, as having this on your hard drive can make Web
browsing a bit faster. I would also steer clear of any tool, including
Ccleaner, when it comes to registry cleaning. Purging your registry of
unneeded or orphan keys will do nothing to speed up your system and, in
fact, could make things worse. I consider myself a fairly savvy Windows
user and I am quite content to use the disk cleanup tools provided by
Microsoft.

David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info

On 2/10/2017 2:19 PM, Ame wrote:
My Win 10 PC. CCleaner's okay but I was curious to see if there was
something better. I can run a scan and I don't notice a whole lot of
difference. They were really singing the praises of Iolo System
Mechanic.



Re: Symbol pronunciation dictionary

ChrisLeo
 

Hi, I try to reply point to point.
"1. Different labels for the same symbol
In the list there are duplicated symbols, but that have additional labels such as sentence-ending, phrase-ending etc. What is the difference between them and how do they relate to NVDA processing them?"

The same sign can appear in different cases. For example the dot in the end of sentence is used in TTS to give an intonation to the reading, but you can find the dot in other scenarios. For example, in this string: "goldwave.4.1.nvda-addon".

"2. Punctuation level setting
Not sure how this works. Is that something to do with when the symbol is read out as a character and when it is read as a linguistic feature? If so, what’s the character option for?"

You can set a base livel for each character, then set the verbosity according to the settings that you gave. The option character is used for space and for similar characters.

"3. Send to synth setting
Again, not sure how this works. My understanding is that all text is sent to the synth to be spoken. The only possible explanation I can think of is that when reading as a character NVDA would need to convert that into a word. But then wouldn’t you want it read as a word in that case? Struggling to tell the two options apart."

Yes, you've right, the text is always sent to the synthesizer, but the meaning is different.
NVDA allows to preserve the behavior of the synthesizer when there are some signs or symbols.
As already said in point 1, the synthesizer recognizes the sentences by the punctuation and it gives different intonation depending on the cases, question, exclamation etc...
For example, eSpeak.ng puts a pause when there are parens, Eloquence synthesizer gives a diferent intonation before of left and right paren.
You can choose if you want to preserve the native behavior of the synthesizer or not.

"4. Multichar expressions
The document mentions nothing to do with multicharacter symbols. Such symbols are common in programming (<=, >=, :: etc). Can it process these?"

I think you can add combined characters in personal symbols setting, but in programming the most used symbols are ASCII characters... How should be processed otherwise?

Cheers,


Chris.

Damien Sykes-Lindley, 10/02/2017 20:09:

Hi,
I’m slightly confused as to how this feature works. There is brief documentation in the user guide but, it seems, not enough to cover all aspects.

1. Different labels for the same symbol
In the list there are duplicated symbols, but that have additional labels such as sentence-ending, phrase-ending etc. What is the difference between them and how do they relate to NVDA processing them?

2. Punctuation level setting
Not sure how this works. Is that something to do with when the symbol is read out as a character and when it is read as a linguistic feature? If so, what’s the character option for?

3. Send to synth setting
Again, not sure how this works. My understanding is that all text is sent to the synth to be spoken. The only possible explanation I can think of is that when reading as a character NVDA would need to convert that into a word. But then wouldn’t you want it read as a word in that case? Struggling to tell the two options apart.

4. Multichar expressions
The document mentions nothing to do with multicharacter symbols. Such symbols are common in programming (<=, >=, :: etc). Can it process these?
Cheers.
Damien.


Slow MS Word Navigation; Odd Options behavior

Rob
 

Windows 7 x64 word 2016, NVDA 2016.4.
There was an extremely aggravating delay between arrow presses and speech while navigating in word. I rebooted the system, restarted word, turned off
"Provide Feedback with Annimations"
, and restarted NVDA. I loaded different documents of different sizes and then I started a blank document with only one line. Still with the slow response while navigating with arrows.
Finally I hit on the idea to turn off braille. Bingo--that was the answer. Navigation speeded up, but of course now I have no braille feedback.
I am using the Handy Tech driver. I have not tested with BRLTTY because I do not have it installed here.
Another odd behavior that happens is in the Word Options dialog. If you tab to an up down edit box and then tab or shift+tab out of it, there is this huge pause, and then the dialog reads from the top or close to it.
Try:
1. Open Word optons, alt+f t
2. Arrow Down to Advanced
3. Tab until you hear
"Show this number of recent Documents"
and then hit tab again. There will be a big delay and then NNVDA will start reading the dialog from the top of visible portion down. In my case, it started reading everything from the copy and paste grouping.


Re: Accessable UML Tool

 

Hi

Thank you for the link, however I could not get it to work when I downloaded the file plantuml.jar and ran it nothing happened no error message just a small logo for a few seconds, and then that went away.

 

Any ideas?

 

 

 




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On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 4:58 PM, Arthur BREUNEVAL via Groups.Io <arthur.breuneval@...> wrote:
Hello Martin,
I personally use PlantUML, which is a simple language for describbing UML diagrams with text.
You can investigate it at plantuml.com.
It is very simple to learn and very intuitive.
Anyway I don't know any program with a GUI allowing to build UML diagrams which is fully accessible.

Hope this help.

Best regards,


Arthur BREUNEVAL
Sent with Mozilla Thunderbird.
Le 09/02/2017 à 16:07, Martin O'Sullivan a écrit :

I have started a course in object orientated programming, as part of that course; I have to produce UML diagrams.  Is there an UML tool; which works with NVDA?

If there is no accessible way of interacting with any UML tool, is there a recognised alternative which can be used by vision impaired software developers?

Unified Modeling language (UML) is a standardized modeling language enabling developers to specify, visualize, construct and document artifacts of a software system. Thus, UML makes these artifacts scalable, secure and robust in execution. UML is an important aspect involved in object-oriented software development.    




Re: NVDA Latest And Language Announcement

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Yah, I get that everytime I boot my machine, when it first gets to the desktop, it always says english us.  I don't get this at any other time, so I just ignore it, but if it's happening more often than that, I haven't a clue what's triggering it, but then again, I rarely return to my desktop during normal computer usage, as I absolutely hate having things on my desktop.  I do everything via hotkeys, or command line execution.



On 2/10/2017 2:47 AM, Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES) via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi friends,

 

Has anyone noticed NVDA announcing a language message every now and then, sometimes when you Windows m back to the desktop?

It says something like language English UK or something.

I Will try to re-create it and report back with the exact message.

 



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Re: optimization tools (sorry if this is a repeat)

Ame
 

My Win 10 PC. CCleaner's okay but I was curious to see if there was something better. I can run a scan and I don't notice a whole lot of difference. They were really singing the praises of Iolo System Mechanic.


Symbol pronunciation dictionary

Damien Sykes-Lindley <damien@...>
 

Hi,
I’m slightly confused as to how this feature works. There is brief documentation in the user guide but, it seems, not enough to cover all aspects.
 
1. Different labels for the same symbol
In the list there are duplicated symbols, but that have additional labels such as sentence-ending, phrase-ending etc. What is the difference between them and how do they relate to NVDA processing them?
 
2. Punctuation level setting
Not sure how this works. Is that something to do with when the symbol is read out as a character and when it is read as a linguistic feature? If so, what’s the character option for?
 
3. Send to synth setting
Again, not sure how this works. My understanding is that all text is sent to the synth to be spoken. The only possible explanation I can think of is that when reading as a character NVDA would need to convert that into a word. But then wouldn’t you want it read as a word in that case? Struggling to tell the two options apart.
 
4. Multichar expressions
The document mentions nothing to do with multicharacter symbols. Such symbols are common in programming (<=, >=, :: etc). Can it process these?
Cheers.
Damien.


Re: optimization tools (sorry if this is a repeat)

Antony Stone
 

What are you trying to optimise?

Antony.

On Friday 10 Feb 2017 at 18:48, Ame wrote:

Hello all!

I just attempted to send a message and I don’t think it went anywhere and I
didn’t see it in my sent folder. I’m curious about optimization software,
preferably free. I googled it and found a site called tech radar. I
don’t know the actual web address. They had compiled a list of the
optimization programs they’d found. At the very top of the list was
something called Iolo System Mechanic. CCleaner (I have it on my
computer), was their third favorite. Does anybody know anything about
Iolo System Mechanic? Does it work for people like us?

Thanks so much. Have a great day!
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