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Re: new to windows, need help with software selections

Kevin Cussick
 

Hi, next time download unchecky it is a little program that stops this sort of thing from happening. I have found it invaluable.

On 15/02/2017 04:51, coffeekingms@... wrote:
hi

Thanks for all your suggestions. I just installed the cdex software
using the link you provided. As a warning to all of you, if you do
install this software, you might need sighted help to uncheck the option
to install recommended software, because there seems to be no accssible
way to decline it. If you do install the cd ripper as it wants, you'll
get the following additional software

avast antivirus

bite fence antimalware

chromium

advanced pc care

stack player

and your homepage will be set to yahoo web search in your default
browser. I'm still puzzling over how to remove avast, since I can't seem
to click or simulate a left click on the uninstall button, NVDA can't
seem to route the mouse pointer to the uninstall button using the caps
lock plus kp devide shortcut, but the others were easily removed.
Despite all of this, I like cdex. I don't like the sneaky bundling of
software, and I'm rather shocked that open source software would stoop
to such a tactic. I'm not annoyed at anyone hear though, I want to make
that clear but at the extra installations. I am going to install chrome
and try it out, since I did like chromium in the few minutes I played
around with it.

Thanks

Kendell Clark



On 2/14/2017 9:32 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Kendell,

Welcome to Windows, and to the NVDA list!

CDex is a popular CD ripper: http://cdex.mu/ It looks up freedb and
others (you can set the one you want). I must admit I always just rip
to MP3 so I haven't looked into other formats with it. Just looking
at the features, you can set it to use OGG, FLAC, AAC, WMA and other
formats.

I'm not as familiar with downloading videos, or torrent programs I'm
afraid.

I tend to steer clear of driver downloaders - you just don't know what
they are downloading and I think most of them cause more problems than
they solve. Mostly I let Windows manage drivers and it does do this a
lot more autonomously than it used to. Sometimes it is worth double
checking you are using the manufacturer's driver, though, particularly
for audio and video drivers and in that case, I usually go to the
manufacturer's website.

I'm not sure about that file error you're getting. AMD will be your
processor and sys means it's a system file, possibly a driver, as you
seem to have guessed, but beyond that, I'm not sure. Is anything
happening immediately prior to it crashing? I did a google search on
the filename and got nothing (5 unrelated results) so whatever it is,
it's evidently not overly common.

Speaking of the Chrome browser, you'll actually find that it works
fairly well with NVDA if you do choose to install it. The popular
browser with NVDA has traditionally been Firefox, but it can be worth
keeping Chrome around just for the odd website that works better with
one than the other. Internet Explorer still works and still comes
with Windows, even Windows 10. If you are on Windows 10, we do
support the new browser "Edge", though personally, I'd still stick
with one of the others for the most part.

If you are after a word processor that isn't Microsoft Office (MS
Office works well with NVDA, but you asked about free), Jarte is a
standalone one: http://www.jarte.com/ otherwise, LibreOffice is a
full office suite: http://libreoffice.org/

If you used Audacity for audio editing on Linux, you'll find it is
available for Windows as well: http://www.audacityteam.org/

I can't think of what else to recommend off the top of my head, but
all the best with your migration and do let us know if you encounter
anything else you need help or a recommendation on.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 2:04 PM, coffeekingms@...
<mailto:coffeekingms@...> <coffeekingms@...
<mailto:coffeekingms@...>> wrote:

hi all

I'm a bit ashamed to say this, but I've just switched from linux,
specifically sonar gnu linux, to windows 10 full time. There are many
reasons why and I won't go into them hear since this is the wrong
list,
but the windows blind community is just friendlier and much much less
prone to judge people based on what software they want to use, what
speech voice they want to use and so on. I was hoping you guys could
point me to some free as in price, and open source if possible,
software
to do the things I've gotten used to doing in linux. I'll provide
a list.

A cd ripper, preferably one that can look up info on cd databases, and
if such a thing exists, one that can look up data on audiobook cd's,
since the ones available for linux can't. It would be nice if it could
rip to opus or ogg vorbis files, preferably both, since I don't
care for
mp3 and use free to use media formats like ogg or opus for everything.
Something that can download videos from youtube, entire playlists if
possible. I've found youtube dl gui for this, but it leaves the video
and audio tracks separate, instead of combining them so I have to
manuallt delete them. An audio converter, so I can convert mp3,
m4b, etc
files into the formats I prefer to use. I've come across format
factory
and already wrote about it hear, but it doesn't seem to handle
opus so I
may need to use something else. I've just discovered kodi, the htpc
software. Can it handle using services such as spotify, pandora and
last.fm <http://last.fm>? I don't use any of these yet, but I'd
like to start, assuming
spotify and pandora are still free to use. Accessible torrent
software.
I've been usint q bittorrent, and it is usable but not very
accessible.
I want torrent software for legal things, not the pirate bay and such.
Even though I'm no longer using sonar I still want to support it's
torrent seeds, as well as other linux distro torrents such as
vinux and
fedora. Is there a good free program to keep drivers up to date? If
these are still needed. My computer is experiencing frequent bugcheck
screens from something called amdkfb.sys, and I thought maybe a free
driver updater would download an updated driver that would fix it.
Something that doesn't nag you to upgrade to a pro version would be
nice, and that can be run portable would be even better, but I don't
want to be picky. I'm only asking for all of these instead of doing my
own research because I'm frequently lead around in circles. Sites that
say a piece of software is free, when what they mean is free but comes
with extra stuff, free trial, or not free at all and they want you to
pay for it. Driver updaters that aren't accessible and often install
extras, such as pc care, pc cleaners, and the chrome browser. Are
there
good ways of avoiding these kinds of things? I'm new to windows after
being in linux for five years so I might as well be a first time
windows
user. Thanks for any help, I'll try not to ask for this much help
again.

Thanks

Kendell Clark








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Re: spss use with nvda

enes sarıbaş
 

hi,

Spss, is still widely used in the social sciences.

On 2/15/2017 9:04 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:
Hi Brian,

SPSS is an ancient and proprietary research tool used in academic disciplines, particularly socialwork in my experience. It should probably just die and be replaced by something more modern that takes advantage of modern technology and is designed to current standards and best practices, but 20 and 30 years ago, academic institutions and governments paid vast amounts of money into it. So, it will stay probably until the very last personal computers are on their last pins, and people with disabilities will continue to be disadvantaged in professions where it's in use.

Best,

Erik

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On February 15, 2017 12:39:12 PM "Brian's Mail list account" <bglists@...> wrote:

I have no idea what this is exactly.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "enes sarıbaş" <enes.saribas@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] spss use with nvda


hi,

unfortunatly, from my testing no. There is a problem with nvda accessing
the controls of the program. An error sound plays with each key press.


On 2/14/2017 6:45 PM, UMIT ERDEM Yigitoglu wrote:

hello,

First of all, if you got a embty mail. I'm sorry for that. I use spss
with jaws but I would love to use spss with nvda. Does nvda work with
spss as effectively as jaws?

Thank you in advance






Re: nvda and spss

enes sarıbaş
 

hi,

I cannot share a lisence to the software. Probably, ibm has a trial version available. Or they may lone you a full copy if you explain you are an nvda developer.


On 2/15/2017 1:01 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Sorry, I did see the other message on this after I posted my reply - they didn't come up in the same thread for some reason.

Have you got a link to the software and I'll have a look?

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 3:13 PM, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...> wrote:

hi,

It does not work. I have tested. None of the controls in the interface, or the interface for that matter is accessible. Would it be possible for you to test this program to determine the issues.


On 2/15/2017 5:45 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi,

Off the top of my head, I don't know.  I just did a quick search and found this forum thread (from 2013) noting that NVDA (at the time) worked with SPSS better than Jaws.  If SPSS still works with Jaws, I would hazard a guess that it should still work with NVDA as well.

As NVDA is free to use, I would recommend downloading it and trying it.  You can download from here: https://www.nvaccess.org/download/

I'd be interested to hear how you find it with SPSS.  Do please let us know how you get on.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 2:26 AM, UMIT ERDEM Yigitoglu <uyigitoglu@...> wrote:
Hello,
I was using spss (an statistical program for social sciences) with
jaws. I wandur if nvda works effectivey with spss?
Thank you in advance.






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Re: Accessable UML Tool

Rob
 

Martin O'Sullivan <osumartin@...> wrote:
when I try to access the editor with nvda It will not read the text. does anyone have any idea how to get NVDA to read the text?

I couldn't get it to read either. The only thing I was able to do was copy it all and paste somewhere else for reading, which probably isn't very helpful.
I tried using the latest Firefox.


Re: Accessable UML Tool

 

Hi


I have found another online UML tool https://www.planttext.com/


when I try to access the editor with nvda It will not read the text. does anyone have any idea how to get NVDA to read the text?

Thank you for any help you can offer.            



Re: nvda and spss

UMIT ERDEM Yigitoglu
 

I couldn't use nvda for now and niether jaws. Jaws have particular
problems when trying anlysis in large data sets. I start to hate spss.
It is slow and mostly unaccessable. <div
id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br /> <table
style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;">
<tr>
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href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
target="_blank"><img
src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif"
width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;" /></a></td>
<td style="width: 470px; padding-top: 17px; color: #41424e;
font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
line-height: 18px;">Virüs bulunmuyor. <a
href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">www.avast.com</a> </td>
</tr>
</table>
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2017-02-15 21:02 GMT+03:00, Brian's Mail list account
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For nvda you will need the 32 and 64 bit access bridges enabled. I'm trying

to steer clear of Java on my 64 bit machines as it caused nothing but
headaches on windows xp for me.
Brian

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From: "UMIT ERDEM Yigitoglu" <uyigitoglu@...>
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Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and spss


as far as I know. Yes it requires java acsess. I think When you
download it with jaws, it automaticly instol java access as well.
<div id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br /> <table
style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;">
<tr>
<td style="width: 55px; padding-top: 18px;"><a
href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
target="_blank"><img
src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif"
width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;" /></a></td>
<td style="width: 470px; padding-top: 17px; color: #41424e;
font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
line-height: 18px;">Virüs bulunmuyor. <a
href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail"
target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">www.avast.com</a> </td>
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height="1"></a></div>

2017-02-15 13:14 GMT+03:00, Andre Fisher <andrefisher729@...>:
Does this software require Java, and as a result, the Java Access
Bridge, to be installed? Will have to check that out.

On 2/15/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Sorry, I did see the other message on this after I posted my reply -
they
didn't come up in the same thread for some reason.

Have you got a link to the software and I'll have a look?

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 3:13 PM, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...>
wrote:

hi,

It does not work. I have tested. None of the controls in the interface,
or
the interface for that matter is accessible. Would it be possible for
you
to test this program to determine the issues.

On 2/15/2017 5:45 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi,

Off the top of my head, I don't know. I just did a quick search and
found
this forum thread (from 2013) noting that NVDA (at the time) worked
with
SPSS better than Jaws. If SPSS still works with Jaws, I would hazard a
guess that it should still work with NVDA as well.

As NVDA is free to use, I would recommend downloading it and trying it.
You can download from here: https://www.nvaccess.org/download/

I'd be interested to hear how you find it with SPSS. Do please let us
know how you get on.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 2:26 AM, UMIT ERDEM Yigitoglu <
uyigitoglu@...> wrote:

Hello,
I was using spss (an statistical program for social sciences) with
jaws. I wandur if nvda works effectivey with spss?
Thank you in advance.




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Re: new to windows, need help with software selections

 

To be honest if you don't mind the 40 dollar pricetag, goldwave as well as a sound editor has a really good cd wripper using the freecddb.
If you have been a nero user, then this is good.
The only reason I'd ever use something like cdex is that like itunes its got gracenote intergration which has a slightly better and bigger following than freecddb.
Saying that freecddb aint far behind gracenote, and as long its not that obscure even though you can get multiple disk titles for one disk its still good.
The advantage that gracenote may have is that its payed for library and its in a lot of things from itunes to whatever.
Those with a supporting product are able to easily make their own list and automatically import it to gracenote directly.
The advantage of freecddb is that along with searching, you could download the entire thing over a gb or so to your system though I see no advantage in doing that.
Its also easy to search and free, though its worth saying there is nothing background like, there are progress windows and the such while things are gotten if you don't care for that gracenote is your friend.
Thats about the only difference and for most stuff things work fine.

On 16/02/2017 9:09 a.m., Kwork wrote:
Gene, I hadn't looked at the portable version, so that's good news to know when someone asks me next time what I'd recommend for a good ripper/file converter that still receives updates, even if infrequent.
Travis
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] new to windows, need help with software selections


The program didn't used to include unwanted programs. I didn't install it today but I was curious what was displayed in the preinstallation dialogs so I went through them up to the point where other programs were offered. To the credit of the CDEX designers, you are clearly told that other programs will be installed, though not in that language. The installer doesn't try to sneak the other programs by without you noticing as is often the case unless you are very carefull about reading all installation dialogs thoroughly. But whatever means are offered to opt out are not seen by screen-readers. I saw on the page where you download the program that a portable version is offered. The portable, version, according to a comment I've seen on another list, doesn't include any potentially unwanted programs. Therefore, those wanting to use the newest version of CDEX may try the portable version.

Gene

----- Original Message -----


From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new to windows, need help with software selections


Eek! Sorry! I haven't installed from scratch for awhile clearly and didn't remember that or I definitely would have warned you!


Quentin.


On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 3:51 PM, coffeekingms@... <coffeekingms@...> wrote:

hi

Thanks for all your suggestions. I just installed the cdex software using the link you provided. As a warning to all of you, if you do install this software, you might need sighted help to uncheck the option to install recommended software, because there seems to be no accssible way to decline it. If you do install the cd ripper as it wants, you'll get the following additional software

avast antivirus

bite fence antimalware

chromium

advanced pc care

stack player

and your homepage will be set to yahoo web search in your default browser. I'm still puzzling over how to remove avast, since I can't seem to click or simulate a left click on the uninstall button, NVDA can't seem to route the mouse pointer to the uninstall button using the caps lock plus kp devide shortcut, but the others were easily removed. Despite all of this, I like cdex. I don't like the sneaky bundling of software, and I'm rather shocked that open source software would stoop to such a tactic. I'm not annoyed at anyone hear though, I want to make that clear but at the extra installations. I am going to install chrome and try it out, since I did like chromium in the few minutes I played around with it.

Thanks

Kendell Clark






On 2/14/2017 9:32 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi Kendell,


Welcome to Windows, and to the NVDA list!


CDex is a popular CD ripper: http://cdex.mu/ It looks up freedb and others (you can set the one you want). I must admit I always just rip to MP3 so I haven't looked into other formats with it. Just looking at the features, you can set it to use OGG, FLAC, AAC, WMA and other formats.


I'm not as familiar with downloading videos, or torrent programs I'm afraid.


I tend to steer clear of driver downloaders - you just don't know what they are downloading and I think most of them cause more problems than they solve. Mostly I let Windows manage drivers and it does do this a lot more autonomously than it used to. Sometimes it is worth double checking you are using the manufacturer's driver, though, particularly for audio and video drivers and in that case, I usually go to the manufacturer's website.


I'm not sure about that file error you're getting. AMD will be your processor and sys means it's a system file, possibly a driver, as you seem to have guessed, but beyond that, I'm not sure. Is anything happening immediately prior to it crashing? I did a google search on the filename and got nothing (5 unrelated results) so whatever it is, it's evidently not overly common.


Speaking of the Chrome browser, you'll actually find that it works fairly well with NVDA if you do choose to install it. The popular browser with NVDA has traditionally been Firefox, but it can be worth keeping Chrome around just for the odd website that works better with one than the other. Internet Explorer still works and still comes with Windows, even Windows 10. If you are on Windows 10, we do support the new browser "Edge", though personally, I'd still stick with one of the others for the most part.


If you are after a word processor that isn't Microsoft Office (MS Office works well with NVDA, but you asked about free), Jarte is a standalone one: http://www.jarte.com/ otherwise, LibreOffice is a full office suite: http://libreoffice.org/


If you used Audacity for audio editing on Linux, you'll find it is available for Windows as well: http://www.audacityteam.org/


I can't think of what else to recommend off the top of my head, but all the best with your migration and do let us know if you encounter anything else you need help or a recommendation on.

Kind regards


Quentin.


On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 2:04 PM, coffeekingms@... <coffeekingms@...> wrote:

hi all

I'm a bit ashamed to say this, but I've just switched from linux,
specifically sonar gnu linux, to windows 10 full time. There are many
reasons why and I won't go into them hear since this is the wrong list,
but the windows blind community is just friendlier and much much less
prone to judge people based on what software they want to use, what
speech voice they want to use and so on. I was hoping you guys could
point me to some free as in price, and open source if possible, software
to do the things I've gotten used to doing in linux. I'll provide a list.

A cd ripper, preferably one that can look up info on cd databases, and
if such a thing exists, one that can look up data on audiobook cd's,
since the ones available for linux can't. It would be nice if it could
rip to opus or ogg vorbis files, preferably both, since I don't care for
mp3 and use free to use media formats like ogg or opus for everything.
Something that can download videos from youtube, entire playlists if
possible. I've found youtube dl gui for this, but it leaves the video
and audio tracks separate, instead of combining them so I have to
manuallt delete them. An audio converter, so I can convert mp3, m4b, etc
files into the formats I prefer to use. I've come across format factory
and already wrote about it hear, but it doesn't seem to handle opus so I
may need to use something else. I've just discovered kodi, the htpc
software. Can it handle using services such as spotify, pandora and
last.fm? I don't use any of these yet, but I'd like to start, assuming
spotify and pandora are still free to use. Accessible torrent software.
I've been usint q bittorrent, and it is usable but not very accessible.
I want torrent software for legal things, not the pirate bay and such.
Even though I'm no longer using sonar I still want to support it's
torrent seeds, as well as other linux distro torrents such as vinux and
fedora. Is there a good free program to keep drivers up to date? If
these are still needed. My computer is experiencing frequent bugcheck
screens from something called amdkfb.sys, and I thought maybe a free
driver updater would download an updated driver that would fix it.
Something that doesn't nag you to upgrade to a pro version would be
nice, and that can be run portable would be even better, but I don't
want to be picky. I'm only asking for all of these instead of doing my
own research because I'm frequently lead around in circles. Sites that
say a piece of software is free, when what they mean is free but comes
with extra stuff, free trial, or not free at all and they want you to
pay for it. Driver updaters that aren't accessible and often install
extras, such as pc care, pc cleaners, and the chrome browser. Are there
good ways of avoiding these kinds of things? I'm new to windows after
being in linux for five years so I might as well be a first time windows
user. Thanks for any help, I'll try not to ask for this much help again.

Thanks

Kendell Clark











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Re: new to windows, need help with software selections

Kwork
 


I still run into situations where I'm glad to have a Jaws demo on my machine. Just make sure it doesn't start automatically with Windows, create a shortcut to the executable, and it can be run for 40 minutes when needed without having to start Windows if you haven't already run it during the current session.
If you want to check for updates to Jaws without running Jaws itself, inside the Jaws folder in Program Files, look for a file called FSAutoUpdate.exe. When activated, it will automatically check for updates. To keep this on target, it's completely accessible with NVDA.
Travis

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] new to windows, need help with software selections

You don't see the uninstaller information in any way using NVDA.  NVDA sees nothing in Avast unless self-protection is turned off.  What I've heard about this in the past is that the NVDA developers allowed JAWS to see information from the program but not not NVDA.  This is, evidently, something that must be done one screen-reader at a time.  Also, it's a good idea to have a JAWS demo on the machine as an alternative in case you run into a situation where NVDA doesn't work with something or not well and you want to try another screen-reader. 
 
Gene
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Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:24 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] new to windows, need help with software selections

Glad to hear CDex is still being updated, but I definitely feel your pain on the annoyingly inaccessible installers. The problem is that the CDex developers can do absolutely nothing about it, because the installer is created by a third party developer. I have managed to get NVDA to uncheck those options in the past, but I now don't remember how. Something about golden cursor and simulated mouse movement. Also, while we're on the subject, did you ever try switching to object review and doing an NVDA+enter on the uninstall button? No point installing a whole JAWS demo if you can make it work another way. If you route the mouse with mouse tracking enabled, and you don't hear the name of the button spoken, it is possible that NVDA doesn't actually know where the button is. This can sometimes happen if you're using object navigation keystrokes but you're in screen review mode, for instance.

It looks like Dropbox has decided that my link to a piece of free software is in fact a violation of copyright law. Fantastic logical deduction. I put UTorrent 3.2.1 in an encrypted zip file. The password is utorrent:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1689280/software/utorrent.zip


On 2017-02-15 1:12, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Simon,

Re CDex,

The latest stable version is 1.82, released on 21st December 2016.  It definitely works on Windows 10 although it still has much the same interface it has had for about as long as I've used it.

Regards

Quentin.


On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Simon Jaeger <simon@...> wrote:
Hi,

If you were much of a command-line Linux user, you might want to check out Windows 10 bash:

http://www.howtogeek.com/249966/how-to-install-and-use-the-linux-bash-shell-on-windows-10/


YoutubeDLG is what I use for my videos. You can set some options in preferences according to whether you want to convert to audio and keep the video. You can also put custom command line parameters into its configuration which will get passed to youtube-dl directly. Personally, I keep the "convert to audio" checkbox unchecked, and add a -x to the command line parameters so that the original format gets preserved in the case of aac or opus audio. This depends entirely on whether you want to keep the video though.

CDex is definitely good, though I don't know if it's updated for Windows 10. It was the first ripper I ever used and worked until I decided to just use GoldWave's internal converter.

For torrenting, I use UTorrent, but a much older version (3.2.1). I don't know off hand where one can download this, so if you trust a google search more than a random stranger on a mailing list, feel free to find your own download. However, this is my copy and it's running well on two of my machines:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1689280/software/utorrent.exe

A few people talked about driveragent being good, but it's not free. However, I was told it was 30 to 40 dollars for up to 10 machines. If that's your thing, give it a try. I'm also told the free version will tell you which drivers you need, but will not download them automatically. Don't quote me on either of those things.

I'm sure people out here have good suggestions of audio converters. I don't personally have any, as I once again use GoldWave's batch converter most of the time. If I don't, I use the one built into Foobar2000, which also works well in certain cases.


Good luck. Feel free to share any discoveries you make as well.


Simon






On 2017-02-14 19:04, coffeekingms@... wrote:
hi all

I'm a bit ashamed to say this, but I've just switched from linux,
specifically sonar gnu linux,  to windows 10 full time. There are many
reasons why  and I won't go into them hear since this is the wrong list,
but the windows blind community is just friendlier and much much less
prone to judge people based on what software they want to use, what
speech voice they want to use and so on. I was hoping you guys could
point me to some free as in price, and open source if possible, software
to do the things I've gotten used to doing in linux. I'll provide a list.

A cd ripper, preferably one that can look up info on cd databases, and
if such a thing exists, one that can look up data on audiobook cd's,
since the ones available for linux can't. It would be nice if it could
rip to opus or ogg vorbis files, preferably both, since I don't care for
mp3 and use free to use media formats like ogg or opus for everything.
Something that can download videos from youtube, entire playlists if
possible. I've found youtube dl gui for this, but it leaves the video
and audio tracks separate, instead of combining them so I have to
manuallt delete them. An audio converter, so I can convert mp3, m4b, etc
files into the formats I prefer to use. I've come across format factory
and already wrote about it hear, but it doesn't seem to handle opus so I
may need to use something else. I've just discovered kodi, the htpc
software. Can it handle using services such as spotify, pandora and
last.fm? I don't use any of these yet, but I'd like to start, assuming
spotify and pandora are still free to use. Accessible torrent software.
I've been usint q bittorrent, and it is usable but not very accessible.
I want torrent software for legal things, not the pirate bay and such.
Even though I'm no longer using sonar I still want to support it's
torrent seeds, as well as other linux distro torrents such as vinux and
fedora. Is there a good free program to keep drivers up to date? If
these are still needed. My computer is experiencing frequent bugcheck
screens from something called amdkfb.sys, and I thought maybe a free
driver updater would download an updated driver that would fix it.
Something that doesn't nag you to upgrade to a pro version would be
nice, and that can be run portable would be even better, but I don't
want to be picky. I'm only asking for all of these instead of doing my
own research because I'm frequently lead around in circles. Sites that
say a piece of software is free, when what they mean is free but comes
with extra stuff, free trial, or not free at all and they want you to
pay for it. Driver updaters that aren't accessible and often install
extras, such as pc care, pc cleaners, and the chrome browser. Are there
good ways of avoiding these kinds  of things? I'm new to windows after
being in linux for five years so I might as well be a first time windows
user. Thanks for any help, I'll try not to ask for this much help again.

Thanks

Kendell Clark












--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 



Re: which u block are you folks using

 

Hmmm interesting to know, thats company polotics for you.
I have been using ublock origin for the last 3 years and have no plans to switch at the current time its previded me with no issue at all and is loads better than addblock+.
It also helps that while not really needed ublock is the only 1 of the various security addons that made it over to thunderbird I don't know what I achieve with it on but I just installed it for no reason what so ever.



On 16/02/2017 9:03 a.m., mcLeod stinnett wrote:


Re: windows tablets was Re: new to windows, need help on software selections

Simon Jaeger
 

Hi,

A lot of people have said NVDA's touch mode is far from perfect at this point. I have never tried it and don't own a machine with a touchscreen. However, you are correct in assuming that Windows tablets typically have the same processor and versions of Windows. Just watch out for the ones running Windows RT, as that is completely different and will only run universal apps. Anything else is fine.


As for Windows vs. Linux vs. Mac OS, I personally think the whole idea of attacking one operating system is idiotic. Everyone has their problems with various ones. Each OS has things it does well, and things it doesn't. I personally feel extremely efficient and productive on a Windows machine, and I always get a bit ruffled when someone tells me I could be working so much more efficiently in something I've already decided is less so. I love tinkering with things and Linux is great for that, but the machine I tinker with needs to be separate from the one I use for school, work, communication, research, social networking, etc. It sounds like Linux GUI accessibility is great in some areas and shotty in others, and some people are willing to overlook the problems because of the open source aspect of Linux. Either way, it's glad to see a list where that doesn't happen constantly.


On 2017-02-15 1:53, coffeekingms@... wrote:

hi

For some reason, restarting nvda allowed the mouse pointer to be routed to the uninstall control, which didn't have a role nvda recognized. Man avast is whiny when you go to remove it. Please please please please please don't uninstall me. What's interesting is the CDEX is gplv3 open source software, but either the installer isn't or it is and the CDEX people haven't tried modifying it. If it bundles stuff, it probably isn't because they wouldn't want to open that. I've never heard of this golden cursor, but I think it's an NVDA addon you can install. I'll try nvda+kp enter, I wonder what that does. I use the desktop keyboard layout, so that might be the laptop equivalent. While I'm on the subject, if I were to buy a windows tablet would NVDA switch seemlessly between keyboard and touch input modes? It's one thing I've been wanting  for a while, since I don't really seem to like android. Nothing against android whatsoever, but I just can't seem to get the hang of it. Plus, if I had a windows tablet I could mud from my swing out in the yard, and watch my video game walkthroughs from anywhere. My laptop currently has no battery in it so it might as well be a desktop. The problem is, windows tablets are not cheap, but an 80 dollar windows tablet and a cheap bluetooth keyboard would be fantastic. I'm going to assume that windows tablets are x64 and not ARM? In plain english, they have the same or similar hardware parts as a normal desktop or laptop computer would have plus a touch screen, instead of parts a smartphone would have in them, because windows as far as I know does not yet support that type of machine, at least it didn't last I looked. Better stop there, I'll change the subject so people don't get confused.

Thanks

Kendell Clark



On 2/15/2017 3:24 AM, Simon Jaeger wrote:

Glad to hear CDex is still being updated, but I definitely feel your pain on the annoyingly inaccessible installers. The problem is that the CDex developers can do absolutely nothing about it, because the installer is created by a third party developer. I have managed to get NVDA to uncheck those options in the past, but I now don't remember how. Something about golden cursor and simulated mouse movement. Also, while we're on the subject, did you ever try switching to object review and doing an NVDA+enter on the uninstall button? No point installing a whole JAWS demo if you can make it work another way. If you route the mouse with mouse tracking enabled, and you don't hear the name of the button spoken, it is possible that NVDA doesn't actually know where the button is. This can sometimes happen if you're using object navigation keystrokes but you're in screen review mode, for instance.

It looks like Dropbox has decided that my link to a piece of free software is in fact a violation of copyright law. Fantastic logical deduction. I put UTorrent 3.2.1 in an encrypted zip file. The password is utorrent:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1689280/software/utorrent.zip


On 2017-02-15 1:12, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Simon,

Re CDex,

The latest stable version is 1.82, released on 21st December 2016.  It definitely works on Windows 10 although it still has much the same interface it has had for about as long as I've used it.

Regards

Quentin.


On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Simon Jaeger <simon@...> wrote:
Hi,

If you were much of a command-line Linux user, you might want to check out Windows 10 bash:

http://www.howtogeek.com/249966/how-to-install-and-use-the-linux-bash-shell-on-windows-10/


YoutubeDLG is what I use for my videos. You can set some options in preferences according to whether you want to convert to audio and keep the video. You can also put custom command line parameters into its configuration which will get passed to youtube-dl directly. Personally, I keep the "convert to audio" checkbox unchecked, and add a -x to the command line parameters so that the original format gets preserved in the case of aac or opus audio. This depends entirely on whether you want to keep the video though.

CDex is definitely good, though I don't know if it's updated for Windows 10. It was the first ripper I ever used and worked until I decided to just use GoldWave's internal converter.

For torrenting, I use UTorrent, but a much older version (3.2.1). I don't know off hand where one can download this, so if you trust a google search more than a random stranger on a mailing list, feel free to find your own download. However, this is my copy and it's running well on two of my machines:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1689280/software/utorrent.exe

A few people talked about driveragent being good, but it's not free. However, I was told it was 30 to 40 dollars for up to 10 machines. If that's your thing, give it a try. I'm also told the free version will tell you which drivers you need, but will not download them automatically. Don't quote me on either of those things.

I'm sure people out here have good suggestions of audio converters. I don't personally have any, as I once again use GoldWave's batch converter most of the time. If I don't, I use the one built into Foobar2000, which also works well in certain cases.


Good luck. Feel free to share any discoveries you make as well.


Simon






On 2017-02-14 19:04, coffeekingms@... wrote:
hi all

I'm a bit ashamed to say this, but I've just switched from linux,
specifically sonar gnu linux,  to windows 10 full time. There are many
reasons why  and I won't go into them hear since this is the wrong list,
but the windows blind community is just friendlier and much much less
prone to judge people based on what software they want to use, what
speech voice they want to use and so on. I was hoping you guys could
point me to some free as in price, and open source if possible, software
to do the things I've gotten used to doing in linux. I'll provide a list.

A cd ripper, preferably one that can look up info on cd databases, and
if such a thing exists, one that can look up data on audiobook cd's,
since the ones available for linux can't. It would be nice if it could
rip to opus or ogg vorbis files, preferably both, since I don't care for
mp3 and use free to use media formats like ogg or opus for everything.
Something that can download videos from youtube, entire playlists if
possible. I've found youtube dl gui for this, but it leaves the video
and audio tracks separate, instead of combining them so I have to
manuallt delete them. An audio converter, so I can convert mp3, m4b, etc
files into the formats I prefer to use. I've come across format factory
and already wrote about it hear, but it doesn't seem to handle opus so I
may need to use something else. I've just discovered kodi, the htpc
software. Can it handle using services such as spotify, pandora and
last.fm? I don't use any of these yet, but I'd like to start, assuming
spotify and pandora are still free to use. Accessible torrent software.
I've been usint q bittorrent, and it is usable but not very accessible.
I want torrent software for legal things, not the pirate bay and such.
Even though I'm no longer using sonar I still want to support it's
torrent seeds, as well as other linux distro torrents such as vinux and
fedora. Is there a good free program to keep drivers up to date? If
these are still needed. My computer is experiencing frequent bugcheck
screens from something called amdkfb.sys, and I thought maybe a free
driver updater would download an updated driver that would fix it.
Something that doesn't nag you to upgrade to a pro version would be
nice, and that can be run portable would be even better, but I don't
want to be picky. I'm only asking for all of these instead of doing my
own research because I'm frequently lead around in circles. Sites that
say a piece of software is free, when what they mean is free but comes
with extra stuff, free trial, or not free at all and they want you to
pay for it. Driver updaters that aren't accessible and often install
extras, such as pc care, pc cleaners, and the chrome browser. Are there
good ways of avoiding these kinds  of things? I'm new to windows after
being in linux for five years so I might as well be a first time windows
user. Thanks for any help, I'll try not to ask for this much help again.

Thanks

Kendell Clark












--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 





Re: new to windows, need help with software selections

Kwork
 


Gene, I hadn't looked at the portable version, so that's good news to know when someone asks me next time what I'd recommend for a good ripper/file converter that still receives updates, even if infrequent.
Travis

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] new to windows, need help with software selections

The program didn't used to include unwanted programs.  I didn't install it today but I was curious what was displayed in the preinstallation dialogs so I went through them up to the point where other programs were offered.  To the credit of the CDEX designers, you are clearly told that other programs will be installed, though not in that language.  The installer doesn't try to sneak the other programs by without you noticing as is often the case unless you are very carefull about reading all installation dialogs thoroughly.  But whatever means are offered to opt out are not seen by screen-readers.  I saw on the page where you download the program that a portable version is offered.  The portable, version, according to a comment I've seen on another list, doesn't include any potentially unwanted programs. Therefore, those wanting to use the newest version of CDEX may try the portable version.   
 
Gene
 
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] new to windows, need help with software selections

Eek!  Sorry!  I haven't installed from scratch for awhile clearly and didn't remember that or I definitely would have warned you!

Quentin.

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 3:51 PM, coffeekingms@... <coffeekingms@...> wrote:

hi

Thanks for all your suggestions. I just installed the cdex software using the link you provided. As a warning to all of you, if you do install this software, you might need sighted help to uncheck the option to install recommended software, because there seems to be no accssible way to decline it. If you do install the cd ripper as it wants, you'll get the following additional software

avast antivirus

bite fence antimalware

chromium

advanced pc care

stack player

and your homepage will be set to yahoo web search in your default browser. I'm still puzzling over how to remove avast, since I can't seem to click or simulate a left click on the  uninstall button, NVDA can't seem to route the mouse pointer to the  uninstall button using the caps lock plus kp devide shortcut, but the others were easily removed. Despite all of this, I like cdex. I don't like the sneaky bundling of software, and I'm rather shocked that open source software would stoop to such a tactic. I'm not  annoyed at anyone hear though, I want to make that clear but at the extra installations. I am going to install chrome and try it out, since I did like chromium in the few minutes I played around with it.

Thanks

Kendell Clark



On 2/14/2017 9:32 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Kendell,

Welcome to Windows, and to the NVDA list!

CDex is a popular CD ripper: http://cdex.mu/  It looks up freedb and others (you can set the one you want).  I must admit I always just rip to MP3 so I haven't looked into other formats with it.  Just looking at the features, you can set it to use OGG, FLAC, AAC, WMA and other formats.

I'm not as familiar with downloading videos, or torrent programs I'm afraid.

I tend to steer clear of driver downloaders - you just don't know what they are downloading and I think most of them cause more problems than they solve.  Mostly I let Windows manage drivers and it does do this a lot more autonomously than it used to.  Sometimes it is worth double checking you are using the manufacturer's driver, though, particularly for audio and video drivers and in that case, I usually go to the manufacturer's website.

I'm not sure about that file error you're getting.  AMD will be your processor and sys means it's a system file, possibly a driver, as you seem to have guessed, but beyond that, I'm not sure.  Is anything happening immediately prior to it crashing?  I did a google search on the filename and got nothing (5 unrelated results) so whatever it is, it's evidently not overly common.

Speaking of the Chrome browser, you'll actually find that it works fairly well with NVDA if you do choose to install it.  The popular browser with NVDA has traditionally been Firefox, but it can be worth keeping Chrome around just for the odd website that works better with one than the other.  Internet Explorer still works and still comes with Windows, even Windows 10.  If you are on Windows 10, we do support the new browser "Edge", though personally, I'd still stick with one of the others for the most part.

If you are after a word processor that isn't Microsoft Office (MS Office works well with NVDA, but you asked about free), Jarte is a standalone one: http://www.jarte.com/  otherwise, LibreOffice is a full office suite: http://libreoffice.org/

If you used Audacity for audio editing on Linux, you'll find it is available for Windows as well: http://www.audacityteam.org/

I can't think of what else to recommend off the top of my head, but all the best with your migration and do let us know if you encounter anything else you need help or a recommendation on.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 2:04 PM, coffeekingms@... <coffeekingms@...> wrote:
hi all

I'm a bit ashamed to say this, but I've just switched from linux,
specifically sonar gnu linux,  to windows 10 full time. There are many
reasons why  and I won't go into them hear since this is the wrong list,
but the windows blind community is just friendlier and much much less
prone to judge people based on what software they want to use, what
speech voice they want to use and so on. I was hoping you guys could
point me to some free as in price, and open source if possible, software
to do the things I've gotten used to doing in linux. I'll provide a list.

A cd ripper, preferably one that can look up info on cd databases, and
if such a thing exists, one that can look up data on audiobook cd's,
since the ones available for linux can't. It would be nice if it could
rip to opus or ogg vorbis files, preferably both, since I don't care for
mp3 and use free to use media formats like ogg or opus for everything.
Something that can download videos from youtube, entire playlists if
possible. I've found youtube dl gui for this, but it leaves the video
and audio tracks separate, instead of combining them so I have to
manuallt delete them. An audio converter, so I can convert mp3, m4b, etc
files into the formats I prefer to use. I've come across format factory
and already wrote about it hear, but it doesn't seem to handle opus so I
may need to use something else. I've just discovered kodi, the htpc
software. Can it handle using services such as spotify, pandora and
last.fm? I don't use any of these yet, but I'd like to start, assuming
spotify and pandora are still free to use. Accessible torrent software.
I've been usint q bittorrent, and it is usable but not very accessible.
I want torrent software for legal things, not the pirate bay and such.
Even though I'm no longer using sonar I still want to support it's
torrent seeds, as well as other linux distro torrents such as vinux and
fedora. Is there a good free program to keep drivers up to date? If
these are still needed. My computer is experiencing frequent bugcheck
screens from something called amdkfb.sys, and I thought maybe a free
driver updater would download an updated driver that would fix it.
Something that doesn't nag you to upgrade to a pro version would be
nice, and that can be run portable would be even better, but I don't
want to be picky. I'm only asking for all of these instead of doing my
own research because I'm frequently lead around in circles. Sites that
say a piece of software is free, when what they mean is free but comes
with extra stuff, free trial, or not free at all and they want you to
pay for it. Driver updaters that aren't accessible and often install
extras, such as pc care, pc cleaners, and the chrome browser. Are there
good ways of avoiding these kinds  of things? I'm new to windows after
being in linux for five years so I might as well be a first time windows
user. Thanks for any help, I'll try not to ask for this much help again.

Thanks

Kendell Clark








--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 





--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: new to windows, need help with software selections

Kwork
 


That's because the installer didn't come with the extra bloat until the past couple of years. It used to be fairly clean. Now it can be a bit of a nightmare if you're not careful.
Travis

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 2:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] new to windows, need help with software selections

Eek!  Sorry!  I haven't installed from scratch for awhile clearly and didn't remember that or I definitely would have warned you!

Quentin.

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 3:51 PM, coffeekingms@... <coffeekingms@...> wrote:

hi

Thanks for all your suggestions. I just installed the cdex software using the link you provided. As a warning to all of you, if you do install this software, you might need sighted help to uncheck the option to install recommended software, because there seems to be no accssible way to decline it. If you do install the cd ripper as it wants, you'll get the following additional software

avast antivirus

bite fence antimalware

chromium

advanced pc care

stack player

and your homepage will be set to yahoo web search in your default browser. I'm still puzzling over how to remove avast, since I can't seem to click or simulate a left click on the  uninstall button, NVDA can't seem to route the mouse pointer to the  uninstall button using the caps lock plus kp devide shortcut, but the others were easily removed. Despite all of this, I like cdex. I don't like the sneaky bundling of software, and I'm rather shocked that open source software would stoop to such a tactic. I'm not  annoyed at anyone hear though, I want to make that clear but at the extra installations. I am going to install chrome and try it out, since I did like chromium in the few minutes I played around with it.

Thanks

Kendell Clark



On 2/14/2017 9:32 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Kendell,

Welcome to Windows, and to the NVDA list!

CDex is a popular CD ripper: http://cdex.mu/  It looks up freedb and others (you can set the one you want).  I must admit I always just rip to MP3 so I haven't looked into other formats with it.  Just looking at the features, you can set it to use OGG, FLAC, AAC, WMA and other formats.

I'm not as familiar with downloading videos, or torrent programs I'm afraid.

I tend to steer clear of driver downloaders - you just don't know what they are downloading and I think most of them cause more problems than they solve.  Mostly I let Windows manage drivers and it does do this a lot more autonomously than it used to.  Sometimes it is worth double checking you are using the manufacturer's driver, though, particularly for audio and video drivers and in that case, I usually go to the manufacturer's website.

I'm not sure about that file error you're getting.  AMD will be your processor and sys means it's a system file, possibly a driver, as you seem to have guessed, but beyond that, I'm not sure.  Is anything happening immediately prior to it crashing?  I did a google search on the filename and got nothing (5 unrelated results) so whatever it is, it's evidently not overly common.

Speaking of the Chrome browser, you'll actually find that it works fairly well with NVDA if you do choose to install it.  The popular browser with NVDA has traditionally been Firefox, but it can be worth keeping Chrome around just for the odd website that works better with one than the other.  Internet Explorer still works and still comes with Windows, even Windows 10.  If you are on Windows 10, we do support the new browser "Edge", though personally, I'd still stick with one of the others for the most part.

If you are after a word processor that isn't Microsoft Office (MS Office works well with NVDA, but you asked about free), Jarte is a standalone one: http://www.jarte.com/  otherwise, LibreOffice is a full office suite: http://libreoffice.org/

If you used Audacity for audio editing on Linux, you'll find it is available for Windows as well: http://www.audacityteam.org/

I can't think of what else to recommend off the top of my head, but all the best with your migration and do let us know if you encounter anything else you need help or a recommendation on.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 2:04 PM, coffeekingms@... <coffeekingms@...> wrote:
hi all

I'm a bit ashamed to say this, but I've just switched from linux,
specifically sonar gnu linux,  to windows 10 full time. There are many
reasons why  and I won't go into them hear since this is the wrong list,
but the windows blind community is just friendlier and much much less
prone to judge people based on what software they want to use, what
speech voice they want to use and so on. I was hoping you guys could
point me to some free as in price, and open source if possible, software
to do the things I've gotten used to doing in linux. I'll provide a list.

A cd ripper, preferably one that can look up info on cd databases, and
if such a thing exists, one that can look up data on audiobook cd's,
since the ones available for linux can't. It would be nice if it could
rip to opus or ogg vorbis files, preferably both, since I don't care for
mp3 and use free to use media formats like ogg or opus for everything.
Something that can download videos from youtube, entire playlists if
possible. I've found youtube dl gui for this, but it leaves the video
and audio tracks separate, instead of combining them so I have to
manuallt delete them. An audio converter, so I can convert mp3, m4b, etc
files into the formats I prefer to use. I've come across format factory
and already wrote about it hear, but it doesn't seem to handle opus so I
may need to use something else. I've just discovered kodi, the htpc
software. Can it handle using services such as spotify, pandora and
last.fm? I don't use any of these yet, but I'd like to start, assuming
spotify and pandora are still free to use. Accessible torrent software.
I've been usint q bittorrent, and it is usable but not very accessible.
I want torrent software for legal things, not the pirate bay and such.
Even though I'm no longer using sonar I still want to support it's
torrent seeds, as well as other linux distro torrents such as vinux and
fedora. Is there a good free program to keep drivers up to date? If
these are still needed. My computer is experiencing frequent bugcheck
screens from something called amdkfb.sys, and I thought maybe a free
driver updater would download an updated driver that would fix it.
Something that doesn't nag you to upgrade to a pro version would be
nice, and that can be run portable would be even better, but I don't
want to be picky. I'm only asking for all of these instead of doing my
own research because I'm frequently lead around in circles. Sites that
say a piece of software is free, when what they mean is free but comes
with extra stuff, free trial, or not free at all and they want you to
pay for it. Driver updaters that aren't accessible and often install
extras, such as pc care, pc cleaners, and the chrome browser. Are there
good ways of avoiding these kinds  of things? I'm new to windows after
being in linux for five years so I might as well be a first time windows
user. Thanks for any help, I'll try not to ask for this much help again.

Thanks

Kendell Clark








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which u block are you folks using

mcLeod stinnett
 

--
from mack
read from the faq,

FAQ

uBlock vs. uBlock Origin: what's the difference?

Citing frustration with the increasing volume of support and feature
requests from users of uBlock, gorhill (the original developer behind
uBlock) transferred ownership of the project to the current uBlock
development team, composed of contributors to the original project.

Chris Aljoudi is now the lead developer of uBlock. Alex Vallat heads
Firefox development, bringing uBlock to hundreds of thousands of
Mozilla fans.

After transferring ownership of the uBlock project, gorhill forked
uBlock into uBlock Origin, a personal fork for which he's been
releasing builds and providing support via the extension's Chrome Web
Store entry.

After the transfer, there were some issues regarding wording and
attribution. After consulting with gorhill, this was promptly
addressed and resolved — gorhill and the team are content and
satisfied with the resolution.

Even though there were no malicious intents or actual conflicts within
the team, various aggressive false rumors and accusations were being
spread. Some of those are:
•gorhill was forced to give up uBlock for legal reasons.
•uBlock was "bought" from gorhill.
•uBlock is attempting to monetize.
•uBlock is an illegitimate "clone" of uBlock Origin.

... and various others. The accusations have no basis in truth, and
probably rather the result of some form of the "telephone"/Chinese
whispers game.

It's been openly discussed and offered to transfer uBlock back to
gorhill; he has declined the offer.

Which one am I using? Should I switch to the other one?

You can tell by looking at the uBlock icon:

ublock icon

You're welcome and should feel free to use either per your own
judgment. If you're currently using uBlock Origin, you're welcome to
move over to the main uBlock project.

Please note that the uBlock development team only supports uBlock, not
uBlock Origin. Thus, uBlock Origin-specific issues are under gorhill's
control.

back to uBlock Home


--
from mack<p><br></p>


Re: revo alternative?

 

there is. It is a series of check boxes in the main window, but I use Pure N utilities strictly now because it is a milion times easier to use. I need to update my BCU uninstaller again though


Re: revo alternative?

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

What did you tweak? Is there a way for it to show programs alphabetically?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert Kingett
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 2:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] revo alternative?

I had to use a lot of tweaking of the options to make it work but I did download Pure in utilities the other day and absolutely love it. The last update was a while ago though! I hope it does not die.


Re: revo alternative?

 

I had to use a lot of tweaking of the options to make it work but I did download Pure in utilities the other day and absolutely love it. The last update was a while ago though! I hope it does not die.


problem reading mail

Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...>
 

Hi All,
 
I just updated to nvda 2017.rc1.  I am using wlm as my mail client.  It used to be when I open a message I would hit the up arrow key and nvda would start reading the message.  Now, I have to hit the key for it to read the message.  Also I hear the word pane is this the way it will be?  Thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox


Re: NVDA with Edge browser

John Hedges
 

I use the built in Administrative Tools – Disk Cleanup utility. It removed most files, and removes upgrade files too.

 

John

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 1:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA with Edge browser

 

Yeah but if they are that old then I agree.
I was working with ccleaner and a few apps, suddenly I get messages
after updating windows that they will not work because they are to old.
If you are still using that program from 1995 then you may have to
upgrade it sooner or later and that may be the time to look for an alternit.
And back up your data on your cloud or a drive I do that for my critical
things.
Unless your data is an executable, chances that if they are text or
standard doc files they won't be touched and if its just data files
windows does not recognise its not going to factor it into anything they
may need updating themselves though.


On 16/02/2017 7:10 a.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
> Will we be all forced to get creators update? I ask as the last  time
> for anniversary update several older 32 bit slightly modified bits of
> software were removed and could not be put back without losing data,
> though they still worked. it would be really nice if there could be a
> prompt from the updating software saying these programs will be removed.
> If you want to preserve them click here but they may or may not funtion
> after the update.
> To just unilaterally proclaim its old and hence junk is a little on the
> draconian side.  This affects Outlook express and some others I may have
> forgotten about. However they nearly always still work OK if you put
> them back but lose the liinks to their data.
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA with Edge browser
>
>
> Hi,
> Typed characters: are you running Anniversary Update? The typed
> characters issue was fixed in recent Windows Insider builds, and will
> make its appearance as part of Creators Update in a few weeks.
> Cheers,
> Joseph
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 6:43 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] NVDA with Edge browser
>
> Have installed the 2017 RC1 of NVDA and am trying out the Edge browser.
> when Edge is started you are on a edit box to enter a web address or
> search term.  When I type here NVDA does not echo the characters being
> typed.  Is there a setting to be changed or way to setup Edge to resolve
> this issue?
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>




Re: NVDA with Edge browser

 

Yeah but if they are that old then I agree.
I was working with ccleaner and a few apps, suddenly I get messages after updating windows that they will not work because they are to old.
If you are still using that program from 1995 then you may have to upgrade it sooner or later and that may be the time to look for an alternit.
And back up your data on your cloud or a drive I do that for my critical things.
Unless your data is an executable, chances that if they are text or standard doc files they won't be touched and if its just data files windows does not recognise its not going to factor it into anything they may need updating themselves though.

On 16/02/2017 7:10 a.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Will we be all forced to get creators update? I ask as the last time
for anniversary update several older 32 bit slightly modified bits of
software were removed and could not be put back without losing data,
though they still worked. it would be really nice if there could be a
prompt from the updating software saying these programs will be removed.
If you want to preserve them click here but they may or may not funtion
after the update.
To just unilaterally proclaim its old and hence junk is a little on the
draconian side. This affects Outlook express and some others I may have
forgotten about. However they nearly always still work OK if you put
them back but lose the liinks to their data.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA with Edge browser


Hi,
Typed characters: are you running Anniversary Update? The typed
characters issue was fixed in recent Windows Insider builds, and will
make its appearance as part of Creators Update in a few weeks.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 6:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA with Edge browser

Have installed the 2017 RC1 of NVDA and am trying out the Edge browser.
when Edge is started you are on a edit box to enter a web address or
search term. When I type here NVDA does not echo the characters being
typed. Is there a setting to be changed or way to setup Edge to resolve
this issue?
Thanks









Re: new to windows, need help with software selections

 

Well for a lot of my stuff I listen to and know others on the system will listen to or will use in their stuff I use ogg.
But for most I run 128 or 192kbps mp3s they work and to be honest a full size ogg or flac can take a lot more space.
I only do that if something I really need in high quality, and no my standard bog music and or field recordings are not one of those.

On 16/02/2017 6:48 a.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Yes indeed, if you have a decent sized drive I tend to rip to wav then i
can use something like flac which clames to be lossless though not as
compact as mp3 or ogg. the problem often comes if you want to feed your
compressed file to an mp3 player, very few have the power or ram to use
flac, since it is a bit like zip in that it expands it and plays it like
a wav file.
I have also come to grief with CDex. some of the later versions seem to
lose focus on the track listings for me. Older versions pre 170 seem to
work better.

Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] new to windows, need help with software selections


It appears you want to convert mp3 files into other formats. If you
convert mp3 into other compressed formats such as ogg, you are
compressing one compressed format with another. You will loose sound
quality if you do so.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

hi all

I'm a bit ashamed to say this, but I've just switched from linux,
specifically sonar gnu linux, to windows 10 full time. There are many
reasons why and I won't go into them hear since this is the wrong list,
but the windows blind community is just friendlier and much much less
prone to judge people based on what software they want to use, what
speech voice they want to use and so on. I was hoping you guys could
point me to some free as in price, and open source if possible, software
to do the things I've gotten used to doing in linux. I'll provide a list.

A cd ripper, preferably one that can look up info on cd databases, and
if such a thing exists, one that can look up data on audiobook cd's,
since the ones available for linux can't. It would be nice if it could
rip to opus or ogg vorbis files, preferably both, since I don't care for
mp3 and use free to use media formats like ogg or opus for everything.
Something that can download videos from youtube, entire playlists if
possible. I've found youtube dl gui for this, but it leaves the video
and audio tracks separate, instead of combining them so I have to
manuallt delete them. An audio converter, so I can convert mp3, m4b, etc
files into the formats I prefer to use. I've come across format factory
and already wrote about it hear, but it doesn't seem to handle opus so I
may need to use something else. I've just discovered kodi, the htpc
software. Can it handle using services such as spotify, pandora and
last.fm? I don't use any of these yet, but I'd like to start, assuming
spotify and pandora are still free to use. Accessible torrent software.
I've been usint q bittorrent, and it is usable but not very accessible.
I want torrent software for legal things, not the pirate bay and such.
Even though I'm no longer using sonar I still want to support it's
torrent seeds, as well as other linux distro torrents such as vinux and
fedora. Is there a good free program to keep drivers up to date? If
these are still needed. My computer is experiencing frequent bugcheck
screens from something called amdkfb.sys, and I thought maybe a free
driver updater would download an updated driver that would fix it.
Something that doesn't nag you to upgrade to a pro version would be
nice, and that can be run portable would be even better, but I don't
want to be picky. I'm only asking for all of these instead of doing my
own research because I'm frequently lead around in circles. Sites that
say a piece of software is free, when what they mean is free but comes
with extra stuff, free trial, or not free at all and they want you to
pay for it. Driver updaters that aren't accessible and often install
extras, such as pc care, pc cleaners, and the chrome browser. Are there
good ways of avoiding these kinds of things? I'm new to windows after
being in linux for five years so I might as well be a first time windows
user. Thanks for any help, I'll try not to ask for this much help again.

Thanks

Kendell Clark