I agree. I agree. I also think NVDA needs to do work with web browsing.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kwork
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 5:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions



Agreed here completely. This should be a core NVDA function, and not only
available by installing an add-on. But this has been hashed out before, with
NVDA developers ignoring the desires of some of us users.

Travis

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From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 10:29 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions



That isn't the reason and that argument is irrelevant. The system tray
wasn't accessible years ago through Windows. There needed to be a
screen-reader dialog to provide access. That's how the whole separate
access got started and System Access uses the same command. Window-eyes
uses a different command but it too provides a system tray dialog.



There are times, like it or not, when the dialog works better than using the
Windows access method and it should be provided as a part of screen-readers.




Sometimes, I get access to something using the Windows method when the
dialog doesn't work properly and at other times, I have found the only way
I've gotten access to an item is by using the dialog. These instances where
one or the other method doesn't work are rare but the argument that the
screen-reader dialog method is nothing but duplication is not correct.

Gene

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From: Travis Siegel <mailto:tsiegel@softcon.com>

Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 10:21 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions



Because NVDA is not jaws, and there's no reason to make it mirror jaws
keystrokes. The windows-b keystroke will work no matter what you use for a
screen reader, since it's a windows command. That's why NVDA uses it.
There is no dedicated NVDA keystroke for this function.





On 2/23/2017 8:36 PM, Arlene wrote:

Hi, I don’t know if I can say here! When you go to your system trey. Why not
make future builds of NVDA be insert F 11? Instead of windows B.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Damien
Sykes-Lindley
Sent: February-23-17 9:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions



Hi Gene,

Hotkeys are indeed excellent. One of the first thing I look for in a program
is hotkeys. In fact, some have so many that it’s hard to memorise all of
them. But at least they’re there!

The only problem I have with Windows shortcuts being linked to them is that,
because they are global throughout the whole system, it can unfortunately
cause conflicts with other running applications that utilise those
shortcuts. For instance, I could assign a ctrl+alt+q shortcut to launch QWS
(a MIDI sequencer), and another application may use ctrl+alt+q to mean quit.
I have known ctrl+alt+o for options, ctrl+alt+x for exit, ctrl+alt+n/p for
next/previous, all of which can be assigned to a Windows hotkey, and then
it’s touch and go as to which item activates. Otherwise, I’m definitely all
for hotkeys!

As an aside, I must admit I do find it odd, and mildly frustrating that
there are four modifier keys that can be used to register hotkeys and yet it
is still possible to run out of logical keys! This is even more so for
global shortcut-linked ones, since I think you can only have ctrl+alt and
ctrl+shift combos. Possibly if you’re extremely dextrous you might be able
to have ctrl+shift+alt, I haven’t dared to try that one. Lol.

First letter navigation. Now you mention it I am aware of it. I use it all
the time to move quickly to files in Explorer. But for some reason it didn’t
cross my mind for the desktop (even though I know that is also controlled by
explorer). I guess because my explorer is in detail view, and the desktop
shows as a sort of grid layout I treated them as two separate systems.
Strange how brains work!

Cheers.
Damien.





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Hi,  is there any way to get NVDA  to indicate capital letters with a higher pitch sound in the TTs similar to Jaws?  Thanks..

Hi,  is there any way to get NVDA  to indicate capital letters with a higher pitch sound in the TTs similar to Jaws?  Thanks..

Because NVDA is not jaws, and there's no reason to make it mirror jaws keystrokes.  The windows-b keystroke will work no matter what you use for a screen reader, since it's a windows command.  That's why NVDA uses it.  There is no dedicated NVDA keystroke for this function.

Hi, I don’t know if I can say here! When you go to your system trey. Why not make future builds of NVDA be insert F 11? Instead of windows B. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Damien Sykes-Lindley
Sent: February-23-17 9:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions

 

Hi Gene,

Hotkeys are indeed excellent. One of the first thing I look for in a program is hotkeys. In fact, some have so many that it’s hard to memorise all of them. But at least they’re there!

The only problem I have with Windows shortcuts being linked to them is that, because they are global throughout the whole system, it can unfortunately cause conflicts with other running applications that utilise those shortcuts. For instance, I could assign a ctrl+alt+q shortcut to launch QWS (a MIDI sequencer), and another application may use ctrl+alt+q to mean quit. I have known ctrl+alt+o for options, ctrl+alt+x for exit, ctrl+alt+n/p for next/previous, all of which can be assigned to a Windows hotkey, and then it’s touch and go as to which item activates. Otherwise, I’m definitely all for hotkeys!

As an aside, I must admit I do find it odd, and mildly frustrating that there are four modifier keys that can be used to register hotkeys and yet it is still possible to run out of logical keys! This is even more so for global shortcut-linked ones, since I think you can only have ctrl+alt and ctrl+shift combos. Possibly if you’re extremely dextrous you might be able to have ctrl+shift+alt, I haven’t dared to try that one. Lol.

First letter navigation. Now you mention it I am aware of it. I use it all the time to move quickly to files in Explorer. But for some reason it didn’t cross my mind for the desktop (even though I know that is also controlled by explorer). I guess because my explorer is in detail view, and the desktop shows as a sort of grid layout I treated them as two separate systems. Strange how brains work!

Cheers.
Damien.

Because NVDA is not jaws, and there's no reason to make it mirror jaws keystrokes.  The windows-b keystroke will work no matter what you use for a screen reader, since it's a windows command.  That's why NVDA uses it.  There is no dedicated NVDA keystroke for this function.

Hi, I don’t know if I can say here! When you go to your system trey. Why not make future builds of NVDA be insert F 11? Instead of windows B. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Damien Sykes-Lindley
Sent: February-23-17 9:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions

 

Hi Gene,

Hotkeys are indeed excellent. One of the first thing I look for in a program is hotkeys. In fact, some have so many that it’s hard to memorise all of them. But at least they’re there!

The only problem I have with Windows shortcuts being linked to them is that, because they are global throughout the whole system, it can unfortunately cause conflicts with other running applications that utilise those shortcuts. For instance, I could assign a ctrl+alt+q shortcut to launch QWS (a MIDI sequencer), and another application may use ctrl+alt+q to mean quit. I have known ctrl+alt+o for options, ctrl+alt+x for exit, ctrl+alt+n/p for next/previous, all of which can be assigned to a Windows hotkey, and then it’s touch and go as to which item activates. Otherwise, I’m definitely all for hotkeys!

As an aside, I must admit I do find it odd, and mildly frustrating that there are four modifier keys that can be used to register hotkeys and yet it is still possible to run out of logical keys! This is even more so for global shortcut-linked ones, since I think you can only have ctrl+alt and ctrl+shift combos. Possibly if you’re extremely dextrous you might be able to have ctrl+shift+alt, I haven’t dared to try that one. Lol.

First letter navigation. Now you mention it I am aware of it. I use it all the time to move quickly to files in Explorer. But for some reason it didn’t cross my mind for the desktop (even though I know that is also controlled by explorer). I guess because my explorer is in detail view, and the desktop shows as a sort of grid layout I treated them as two separate systems. Strange how brains work!

Cheers.
Damien.

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Hi, Using the gmail site is clunky! I have gmail set up in outlook.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account
Sent: February-24-17 1:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior in Gmail

I don't use their webmail but sometimes layout can be an issue, but not that often.
I find the web interface clunky.
Brian

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From: "Øyvind Lode" <oyvind.lode@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior in Gmail


I'm using gmail as well and I don't have this problem.
I'm using gmail standard view with firefox 51.0.1 and my screen reader
of choice is of course NVDA.
I'm running NVDA 2017.1.


On 23 February 2017 at 14:22, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:

What browser and screen-reader are you using? Try whatever you like, a
different screen-reader, a different browser, or both. Rarely, I have a
page that doesn't display properly and changing what is being used solves
the problem. Or just use the read to end command and don't down arrow
through the message. I'm not sure if reading will be as smooth as
desired,
but it may be reasonably adequate.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Arnþór Helgason
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 7:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Strange behavior in Gmail

I think I have raised this topic before.

When I write an email in Gmail only one word appears in each line.
Is there anything which can be done about it?

Best regards,

Arnthor Helgason
arnthor.helgason@gmail.com

What browser and screen-reader are you using? Try whatever you like, a
different screen-reader, a different browser, or both. Rarely, I have a
page that doesn't display properly and changing what is being used solves
the problem. Or just use the read to end command and don't down arrow
through the message. I'm not sure if reading will be as smooth as
desired,
but it may be reasonably adequate.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Arnþór Helgason
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 7:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Strange behavior in Gmail

I think I have raised this topic before.

When I write an email in Gmail only one word appears in each line.
Is there anything which can be done about it?

Best regards,

Arnthor Helgason
arnthor.helgason@gmail.com

Windows b is a windows command not NVDA, it’s been around for years.

Cheers 

Chris

Hi, I don’t know if I can say here! When you go to your system trey. Why not make future builds of NVDA be insert F 11? Instead of windows B.