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Re: Trouble with yahoo

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

The phone has no display only audio out.
I'm going to leave it till Tuesday and try sending it to another phone.
They most certainly do complicate simple processes.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Trouble with yahoo


You can try sending the text to an e-mail account. On my phone, though Ive seldom done so, I believe I did send a text message or two as an attachment. Or getting sighted help should allow you to solve the problem unless the text is limited in time and would time out before you got the assistance or received the message on your computer and looked at it. You may need someone to be present when you go through the procedure. Or there may be a disability number you can call.

But whatever the case, by far, the likely problem is that you aren't getting adequate information from the phone message. Though there may be other possibilities, none of them seem to make sense.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 3:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Trouble with yahoo


Hi well straight after that message was received a load of us found smtp
prompts for log on password.
When you go to follow the links it asks if they can send you a verification
code to the mobile number they make you put in when you open the account.
this is sent. It sounds like four characters and there is an unlabelled
field on the page to enter it. It also says in the help that after doing
this you will be asked to change your password and agree to use an old
insecure email client, but I never get that far. Instead it just comes up
with an unauthorised access message and sends you an email with a link
back to another page to get another code again.

Its like Groundhog day.
They seem to be deliberately suggesting that all who have not changed their
password do so but need the code to verify its really you. I can only deduce
that its either that the field is the wrong one or the code read by my dumb
phone is incomplete. Sadly the phone has no way to step through the
characters in the message it just says fy8d or whatever its is.

Are you saying you can actually send email through yahoo after that
message?

I can't It still receives of course but not send.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 1:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Trouble with yahoo


Brian,

I'm gathering you're referring to the e-mail message from Yahoo entitled,
"REMINDER: Secure Your Yahoo Account," though given the amount of haranguing
they've been doing after the announced-years-later password breach it could
be another.

I could, and did, ignore that reminder because essentially it's a
solicitation to turn on 2-step verification which I have no desire to do
(and don't use it for accessing Gmail via Thunderbird, WLM 2012, and Outlook
2010, either, for which I use IMAP access, not POP).

I haven't gotten anything that requires a code be sent to a mobile phone,
though, as part of a verification process.
--
*Brian*

I don't find an uninformed hatred a "principled position" that I need to
respect in any way.

~ *Ellen Evans * , soc.motss , 11/6/2004
Re: Trouble with yahoo

Gene
 

You can try sending the text to an e-mail account.  On my phone, though Ive seldom done so, I believe I did send a text message or two as an attachment.  Or getting sighted help should allow you to solve the problem unless the text is limited in time and would time out before you got the assistance or received the message on your computer and looked at it.  You may need someone to be present when you go through the procedure.  Or there may be a disability number you can call. 
 
But whatever the case, by far, the likely problem is that you aren't getting adequate information from the phone message.  Though there may be other possibilities, none of them seem to make sense. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 3:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Trouble with yahoo

Hi well straight after that message was received a load of us found smtp
prompts for log on password.
 When you go to follow the links it asks if they can send you a verification
code to the mobile number they make you put in when you open the account.
this is sent. It sounds like four characters and there is an unlabelled
field on the page to enter it. It also says in the help that after doing
this you will be asked to change your password and agree to use an old
insecure email client, but I never get that far. Instead it just comes up
with an unauthorised access  message  and sends you an email with a link
back to another page to get another code again.

Its like Groundhog day.
 They seem to be deliberately suggesting that all who have not changed their
password do so but need the code to verify its really you. I can only deduce
that its either that the field is the wrong one or the code read by my dumb
phone is incomplete. Sadly the phone has no way to step through the
characters in the  message it just says fy8d or whatever its is.

Are you saying you can actually send email through  yahoo after that
message?

I can't It still receives of course but not send.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 1:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Trouble with yahoo


Brian,

I'm gathering you're referring to the e-mail message from Yahoo entitled,
"REMINDER: Secure Your Yahoo Account," though given the amount of haranguing
they've been doing after the announced-years-later password breach it could
be another.

I could, and did, ignore that reminder because essentially it's a
solicitation to turn on 2-step verification which I have no desire to do
(and don't use it for accessing Gmail via Thunderbird, WLM 2012, and Outlook
2010, either, for which I use IMAP access, not POP).

I haven't gotten anything that requires a code be sent to a mobile phone,
though, as part of a verification process.
--
*Brian*

I don't find an uninformed hatred a "principled position" that I need to
respect in any way.

~ *Ellen Evans * , soc.motss , 11/6/2004
Re: Trouble with yahoo

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Hi well straight after that message was received a load of us found smtp prompts for log on password.
When you go to follow the links it asks if they can send you a verification code to the mobile number they make you put in when you open the account. this is sent. It sounds like four characters and there is an unlabelled field on the page to enter it. It also says in the help that after doing this you will be asked to change your password and agree to use an old insecure email client, but I never get that far. Instead it just comes up with an unauthorised access message and sends you an email with a link back to another page to get another code again.

Its like Groundhog day.
They seem to be deliberately suggesting that all who have not changed their password do so but need the code to verify its really you. I can only deduce that its either that the field is the wrong one or the code read by my dumb phone is incomplete. Sadly the phone has no way to step through the characters in the message it just says fy8d or whatever its is.

Are you saying you can actually send email through yahoo after that message?

I can't It still receives of course but not send.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 1:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Trouble with yahoo


Brian,

I'm gathering you're referring to the e-mail message from Yahoo entitled, "REMINDER: Secure Your Yahoo Account," though given the amount of haranguing they've been doing after the announced-years-later password breach it could be another.

I could, and did, ignore that reminder because essentially it's a solicitation to turn on 2-step verification which I have no desire to do (and don't use it for accessing Gmail via Thunderbird, WLM 2012, and Outlook 2010, either, for which I use IMAP access, not POP).

I haven't gotten anything that requires a code be sent to a mobile phone, though, as part of a verification process.
--
*Brian*

I don't find an uninformed hatred a "principled position" that I need to respect in any way.

~ *Ellen Evans * , soc.motss , 11/6/2004
Re: Trouble with yahoo

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Yes that is not what I asked though. Many people want to not change their addresses.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis L" <dennisl1982@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 1:28 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Trouble with yahoo


Gmail has pop3 settings you turn and it works perfectly. I have been using
it for years.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail list account
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 8:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Trouble with yahoo

Many people have an address they use through yahoo and an email client like
tbird, OutlookExpress and wlm.
It seems in the last few days Yahoo have forced most of these people to go
to the log in page and ask for a text to be sent to their phone to verify
them then choose another password.
However when I tried this yesterday, I found that it all worked up until I
put in the four characters from the text whereupon it told me I was not me
and sent an email to me telling me it had had attempts to access my account
from an unauthorised person.
Obviously pop3 is working and the smtp server is what has been locked out.
Does this ring any bells. Now my guess is that either due to nvda reading
the wrong field description has meant I entered the code into the wrong
place,or the phone speaking the characters is not reading some of them,
maybe some punctuation or something.
Has anyone got this to actually work?

If its the former reason it should be possible to work around it if I knew
where to look for the text, but if its the latter I have a 'dumb' phone and
it is what it is, and so I have little hope of fixing it. Incidentally their
help number wants

$100 to fix it over the phone.

Seeing as the problem is of their own making, I've a good mind to advise my
friends to abandon it and get a gmail account which I understand can not
only be enabled for pop3/smtp, but can collect email from other accounts as
well, though no idea on how to achieve this. Maybe there is a tutorial
somewhere. I'd hope gmail does not use capchars as none of us have any way
to read them.

Slightly off topic but thought it was right to highlight this issue as
others might well be affected as well and somebody might have solved it.
Incidentally could not figure out how to post to their forum either, Yahoo
that is.

Off for lunch.
:-)

Brian

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Re: New windows not always detected

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Coming in late to this one, and like others no longer have the original message. I posted the other day that sometimes the update for nvda screen opens behind other running aps, and I've also noticed that sometimes a Firefox boot up does not register at all unless you mess about with changing the focus. My initial feelings have always been that some access event is being missed as even on fast machines the log contains watchdog activity such as the core is frozen. and to me that means nvda is effectively suspended and cannot monitor things. I stongly suspect that the programs or events are taking all the resources, maybe only for a split second but its enough to cause the problem so even in process things are not registerd.
Cannot prove it and would have no idea how other screenreaders would work around this, but I put it out there as a suggestion.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New windows not always detected


whats your solution for solving this?

On 2/25/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I just tested using XP and JAWS. On the three programs where I have this or
a similar problem, it didn't occur with JAWS. I tested opening each program
twice. Though I was skeptical that this was an NVDA problem, it now appears
that it is. Perhaps these programs have something in common that causes
NVDA to have this initial focus problem.


Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 2:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New windows not always detected


I saw a message from an XP user saying that he doesn't encounter the problem
in XP. I still use XP and I see the problem in Firefox, Chrome and Tapin
Radio.

I didn't keep the message so I can't include it in the quoted previous
messages.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Dejan Ristic
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 2:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New windows not always detected


I have encountered it, too.




On 2/25/2017 8:51 AM, Felix G. wrote:

Hello,

I'd like to ask if anyone else has encountered the following:

When launching an application, for example by hitting enter on Mozilla
Firefox on the desktop, NVDA sometimes fails to detect there is a new active
window. It will not automatically say anything, and pressing NVDA+t will
still yield "Explorer" as if the desktop still had focus. However, pressing
tab clearly shows that Firefox had focus because it performs the expected
action of jumping, for example, out of the address field and into the search
field.

For an experiment I gave it a full five minutes to see if it just takes an
awful lot of time, but no luck. So, window activation events seem under
certain conditions to be able to pass under NVDA's radar.

It might be worth noting that I noticed this not long after a reboot and
the dust might not have fully settled in terms of background tasks starting
and stopping.

Kind regards,

Felix



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Re: Trouble with yahoo

Brian Vogel
 

Brian,

        I'm gathering you're referring to the e-mail message from Yahoo entitled, "REMINDER:  Secure Your Yahoo Account," though given the amount of haranguing they've been doing after the announced-years-later password breach it could be another.

        I could, and did, ignore that reminder because essentially it's a solicitation to turn on 2-step verification which I have no desire to do (and don't use it for accessing Gmail via Thunderbird, WLM 2012, and Outlook 2010, either, for which I use IMAP access, not POP).

        I haven't gotten anything that requires a code be sent to a mobile phone, though, as part of a verification process.
--
Brian

    I don't find an uninformed hatred a "principled position" that I need to respect in any way.

        ~ Ellen Evans, soc.motss, 11/6/2004
Re: Trouble with yahoo

Dennis L
 

Gmail has pop3 settings you turn and it works perfectly. I have been using
it for years.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail list account
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 8:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Trouble with yahoo

Many people have an address they use through yahoo and an email client like
tbird, OutlookExpress and wlm.
It seems in the last few days Yahoo have forced most of these people to go
to the log in page and ask for a text to be sent to their phone to verify
them then choose another password.
However when I tried this yesterday, I found that it all worked up until I
put in the four characters from the text whereupon it told me I was not me
and sent an email to me telling me it had had attempts to access my account
from an unauthorised person.
Obviously pop3 is working and the smtp server is what has been locked out.
Does this ring any bells. Now my guess is that either due to nvda reading
the wrong field description has meant I entered the code into the wrong
place,or the phone speaking the characters is not reading some of them,
maybe some punctuation or something.
Has anyone got this to actually work?

If its the former reason it should be possible to work around it if I knew
where to look for the text, but if its the latter I have a 'dumb' phone and
it is what it is, and so I have little hope of fixing it. Incidentally their
help number wants

$100 to fix it over the phone.

Seeing as the problem is of their own making, I've a good mind to advise my
friends to abandon it and get a gmail account which I understand can not
only be enabled for pop3/smtp, but can collect email from other accounts as
well, though no idea on how to achieve this. Maybe there is a tutorial
somewhere. I'd hope gmail does not use capchars as none of us have any way
to read them.

Slightly off topic but thought it was right to highlight this issue as
others might well be affected as well and somebody might have solved it.
Incidentally could not figure out how to post to their forum either, Yahoo
that is.

Off for lunch.
:-)

Brian

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Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 17.03 released

Joseph Lee
 

Hi all,

An emergency patch (17.03A) is now available, fixing a possible security bypass where add-on updates could be triggered from secure screens. Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: Joseph Lee [mailto:joseph.lee22590@...]
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 9:03 AM
To: 'nvda@groups.io' <nvda@groups.io>
Subject: Windows 10 App Essentials 17.03 released

 

Hi all,

 

I’m delighted to announce the immediate release of Windows 10 App Essentials 17.03. If you have 17.02 installed, go ahead and check for add-on update (NvDA menu/Preferences/Windows 10 App Essentials, then Update button).

 

More info can be found at:

https://github.com/josephsl/wintenApps/releases/tag/17.03

 

Cheers,

Joseph
Re: Cell reporting in the Document formatting menu

Dejan Ristic
 

Thankful to have got and understood this instruction. I sincerely hope that you'll be provided with some help, too.


On 2/25/2017 10:41 AM, Thomas Stivers wrote:

    All,


The column number can be included in the word status bar.


1. After opening Word press F6 to switch to the status bar pane. If you have other panes open you may have to press F6 more than once.

2. Press the Applications key or Shift+F10 to open the context menu for the status bar.

3. In this menu there are a number of items which can be shown or hidden by pressing enter on them.

4. Press escape once you have added and removed the status bar items you like and then Shift+F6 to get back to the open document.


While this will tell you the column number I have not found a way to get NVDA to report the horizontal position of the cursor in inches. To me this is even more important than the column number because if a line is centered its first character will still be called column 1 though it does not line up with column 1 of left aligned paragraphs or even with other centered paragraphs. Is there a way to get the horizontal position information in Word documents from NVDA?


Thanks, and hope my answer is helpful.


Thomas



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Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 17.03 released

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,

One of the factors could be change from HTTP to HTTPS. Try going to addons.nvda-project.org, go to Windows 10 App Essentials, then download the stable version.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 2:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.03 released

 

17.02 and stable release.

 

On 2/25/2017 5:30 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Which version of the add-on are you running, and which channel are you getting the updates from?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 2:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.03 released

 

Still stays error checking for update.

 

On 2/25/2017 5:27 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Can you try checking for update again after restarting nVDA?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 2:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.03 released

 

It says error checking for updates.

 

On 2/25/2017 12:02 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

 

I’m delighted to announce the immediate release of Windows 10 App Essentials 17.03. If you have 17.02 installed, go ahead and check for add-on update (NvDA menu/Preferences/Windows 10 App Essentials, then Update button).

 

More info can be found at:

https://github.com/josephsl/wintenApps/releases/tag/17.03

 

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

 
Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 17.03 released

Lino Morales
 

17.02 and stable release.


On 2/25/2017 5:30 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Which version of the add-on are you running, and which channel are you getting the updates from?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 2:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.03 released

 

Still stays error checking for update.

 

On 2/25/2017 5:27 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Can you try checking for update again after restarting nVDA?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 2:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.03 released

 

It says error checking for updates.

 

On 2/25/2017 12:02 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

 

I’m delighted to announce the immediate release of Windows 10 App Essentials 17.03. If you have 17.02 installed, go ahead and check for add-on update (NvDA menu/Preferences/Windows 10 App Essentials, then Update button).

 

More info can be found at:

https://github.com/josephsl/wintenApps/releases/tag/17.03

 

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 
Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 17.03 released

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,

Which version of the add-on are you running, and which channel are you getting the updates from?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 2:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.03 released

 

Still stays error checking for update.

 

On 2/25/2017 5:27 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Can you try checking for update again after restarting nVDA?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 2:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.03 released

 

It says error checking for updates.

 

On 2/25/2017 12:02 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

 

I’m delighted to announce the immediate release of Windows 10 App Essentials 17.03. If you have 17.02 installed, go ahead and check for add-on update (NvDA menu/Preferences/Windows 10 App Essentials, then Update button).

 

More info can be found at:

https://github.com/josephsl/wintenApps/releases/tag/17.03

 

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 
Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 17.03 released

Lino Morales
 

Still stays error checking for update.


On 2/25/2017 5:27 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Can you try checking for update again after restarting nVDA?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 2:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.03 released

 

It says error checking for updates.

 

On 2/25/2017 12:02 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

 

I’m delighted to announce the immediate release of Windows 10 App Essentials 17.03. If you have 17.02 installed, go ahead and check for add-on update (NvDA menu/Preferences/Windows 10 App Essentials, then Update button).

 

More info can be found at:

https://github.com/josephsl/wintenApps/releases/tag/17.03

 

Cheers,

Joseph

 
Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 17.03 released

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,

Can you try checking for update again after restarting nVDA?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 2:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.03 released

 

It says error checking for updates.

 

On 2/25/2017 12:02 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

 

I’m delighted to announce the immediate release of Windows 10 App Essentials 17.03. If you have 17.02 installed, go ahead and check for add-on update (NvDA menu/Preferences/Windows 10 App Essentials, then Update button).

 

More info can be found at:

https://github.com/josephsl/wintenApps/releases/tag/17.03

 

Cheers,

Joseph

 
Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 17.03 released

Lino Morales
 

It says error checking for updates.


On 2/25/2017 12:02 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

 

I’m delighted to announce the immediate release of Windows 10 App Essentials 17.03. If you have 17.02 installed, go ahead and check for add-on update (NvDA menu/Preferences/Windows 10 App Essentials, then Update button).

 

More info can be found at:

https://github.com/josephsl/wintenApps/releases/tag/17.03

 

Cheers,

Joseph
Re: Announcing immediate release of Enhanced Touch gestures add-on version 17.03

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

Back in the days, I even sent a buglog to Joseph, and he couldn't seem to figure out the problem.

I'm definitely not here to play the blame game, so please please know that! Over all NVDA is just! fabulous! but this is one area that no matter what I try doing, no matter what hardware I use, I just cannot seem to get working as advertized.

Chris.

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Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 04:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Announcing immediate release of Enhanced Touch gestures add-on version 17.03

I find nvda very bad with touch as well. I hope at some time the devs
might do something with touch. I thought it was just me, but to many
users seem to report that they can't work touch. I know someone will
come back and say it works well with me but I have about 5 tablet devices and just can not get nvda to play well with touch I have given up.

On 25/02/2017 02:25, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
I still can't get the touch gestures to work half of the time.
Usually, when I try, NVDA just goes totally haywire. This isn't a
recent thing either. As I recall, Joseph, you and I talked a while
back on the phone about this. I still to this day on my MS Surface 3
have the same results, if not worse. Half the time flicking and double
tapping doesn't work, and anything requiring multiple fingers practically never ever works.

Yes, I do have the latest version of the addon installed, and yes, I'm
on NVDA 2017.1, but even still no improvement.

Even on my mother's HP laptop with a touch screen, I tried over there,
and again, no dice. Same oddities.

I've practically completely given up 100% on touch. Just for the
record, JAWS is doing the same thing both on my Surface as well as on
my mom's laptop. I'm usually incredibly good at picking up a touch
screen device, and within less than a day, I usually have it pretty
well figured out, so this isn't anything like me performing the
gestures wrong, that I know of.

Chris.


----- Original Message -----
*From:* Joseph Lee <mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Sent:* Friday, February 24, 2017 8:29 PM
*Subject:* [nvda] Announcing immediate release of Enhanced Touch
gestures add-on version 17.03

Hi all,



For those who are using NVDA on toushcreen computers: Enhanced Touch
Gestures add-on 17.03 is now available. This version resolves
incompatibility with NVDA 2017.1 (specifically, it now deals with
multi-monitor setups). More info can be found at:


https://github.com/josephsl/enhancedTouchGestures/releases/tag/17.03



Cheers,

Joseph
Re: Announcing immediate release of Enhanced Touch gestures add-on version 17.03

Kevin Cussick
 

I find nvda very bad with touch as well. I hope at some time the devs might do something with touch. I thought it was just me, but to many users seem to report that they can't work touch. I know someone will come back and say it works well with me but I have about 5 tablet devices and just can not get nvda to play well with touch I have given up.

On 25/02/2017 02:25, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
I still can't get the touch gestures to work half of the time. Usually,
when I try, NVDA just goes totally haywire. This isn't a recent thing
either. As I recall, Joseph, you and I talked a while back on the phone
about this. I still to this day on my MS Surface 3 have the same
results, if not worse. Half the time flicking and double tapping doesn't
work, and anything requiring multiple fingers practically never ever works.

Yes, I do have the latest version of the addon installed, and yes, I'm
on NVDA 2017.1, but even still no improvement.

Even on my mother's HP laptop with a touch screen, I tried over there,
and again, no dice. Same oddities.

I've practically completely given up 100% on touch. Just for the record,
JAWS is doing the same thing both on my Surface as well as on my mom's
laptop. I'm usually incredibly good at picking up a touch screen device,
and within less than a day, I usually have it pretty well figured out,
so this isn't anything like me performing the gestures wrong, that I
know of.

Chris.


----- Original Message -----
*From:* Joseph Lee <mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Sent:* Friday, February 24, 2017 8:29 PM
*Subject:* [nvda] Announcing immediate release of Enhanced Touch
gestures add-on version 17.03

Hi all,



For those who are using NVDA on toushcreen computers: Enhanced Touch
Gestures add-on 17.03 is now available. This version resolves
incompatibility with NVDA 2017.1 (specifically, it now deals with
multi-monitor setups). More info can be found at:

https://github.com/josephsl/enhancedTouchGestures/releases/tag/17.03



Cheers,

Joseph
Re: Questions about the Windows 10 App Essentials add-on

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,

Regarding Maps app: yes, this is part of Maps app.

Regardinb Bulgarian translation: I don’t know exactly what’s up, but the Bulgarian translation is included.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kostadin Kolev
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 10:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Questions about the Windows 10 App Essentials add-on

 

Hello Joseph and all,

I've updated to Windows 10 App Essentials add-on version 17.03 and I have two questions for now:

1. Why, even though in the distributed bulgarian .po file for the add-on all strings are translated, the add-on messages and dialogs are in english? My copy of NVDA is in bulgarian. I use NVDA version next-13899,af44c1d4.

2. What is this "Use Keyboard" option for the "Maps" app? Is it an option in "Maps" itself, or an option in NVDA? I can't find it in "Maps".

Thanks much in advance!

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev
Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 17.03 released

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


I apologize if it came across like I was complaining or not willing to be patient, etc. That was far from my tone. All that I was saying is I, too, didn't understand exactly the logic behind why things were not just included within the actual build, but seeing that little tweaks get made as problems arise, you definitely do have a very good point there. Otherwise, we'd have to wait until a whole new release was made public, which may be several months, as aposed to just patching what is needed through that addon, then pushing just an update to the addon itself, so yeah... at the end of the day, I see where you're going with this, most definitely.
 
Chris.
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.03 released

Hello.
What I've realised is that the features in the Windows 10 app
essentials add-on are being slowly integrated into NVDA release by
release. Certainly, these are tweeks being made by Joseph and others,
and they must go through a review process by the devs and others to
ensure quality.
Yes, I have the add-on, and I wish some of its features, like its
notification of updates, as an add-on, were integrated into NVDA, but
it takes time.

On 2/25/17, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:
> You know... I wasn't gonna say anything, in fear of being taken rudely,
> which I don't want, but I must say that in some respect, I have to agree
> here with Bill. I'm sure it's probably more or less a technical reason that
> we're failing to realize, but if anyone has any idea, please do let us both
> know. I get that it may just be that obviously... not everyone is running
> Windows 10, at which point, that would make perfect sense why not to commit
> slipstream it right into the main code.
>
> Is that basically the reasoning?
>
> Chris.
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Bill Dengler
>   To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>   Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 1:22 PM
>   Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.03 released
>
>
>   Hello,
>   Why is this a separate add-on? Shouldn’t we try to integrate these into
> NVDA mainline?
>
>
>   Bill
>
>     On Feb 25, 2017, at 5:02 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>
> wrote:
>
>
>     Hi all,
>
>     I’m delighted to announce the immediate release of Windows 10 App
> Essentials 17.03. If you have 17.02 installed, go ahead and check for add-on
> update (NvDA menu/Preferences/Windows 10 App Essentials, then Update
> button).
>
>     More info can be found at:
>     https://github.com/josephsl/wintenApps/releases/tag/17.03
>
>     Cheers,
>     Joseph
>
>
>
>
Re: Important Message For Joseph - Serious Security Flaw Identified In the Windows 10 App Essentials Add-On

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,
Right - I'll add an issue on the GitHub page for the add-on. Thanks for bringing this up (will release 17.03.1 that addresses this problem soon).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laughingthunder
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 11:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Important Message For Joseph - Serious Security Flaw Identified In the Windows 10 App Essentials Add-On

Hello,

I believe I have identified a serious security flaw in the Windows 10 App Essentials add-on for NVDA. The add-on should never check for updates, or present the dialog asking if the user would like to update the add-on while NVDA is running on the log on and other secure screens.
I know that NVDA does warn if add-ons are found while copying the configuration to the system profile, but I feel that this warning cannot be relied upon to prevent serious security issues, such as the one described above. I cannot be the only user who allows some add-ons, such as speech synthesizers and other low-risk add-ons on the secure desktop intentionally for convenience. I feel that this should be addressed by preventing the Windows 10 App Essentials add-on from displaying update messages on secure screens, just in case it ends up in that configuration.

Also, NVDA should never display any add-on help entries in the NVDA help menu when running on secure screens, in the same way that custom preferences menu entries are hidden. I.E. if the NoBeepsSpeechMode add-on is installed in the system configuration, its help menu entry is displayed in the NVDA help menu on secure screens.
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