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Re: google hangouts on the computer using nvda

Kevin Chao
 

Governor and I were able to send/accept invites, do some text-chat, and we'll try out video tomorrow.

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 10:51 PM Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:
By forms mode, remember, that is JAWS termanology.  I think NVDA calls it browse mode, so don't get confused.  Same thing though.
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Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.
 
clgilland07@...
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] google hangouts on the computer using nvda

This should help a lot. If I'm correct, you need to be in forms mode for these commands to work.





On 3/27/2016 1:06 AM, Kevin Chao wrote:
Hangouts Keyboard Shortcuts should help:

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 10:00 PM Governor staten <govsta@...> wrote:
Hello guys. I need some advice on how to use nvda with google hangouts.
I have a feeling that this won't be easy. Has anyone here used it
successfully, more than once? If necessary, email me off list.
govsta@... Thanks in advance for all assistance.






Re: google hangouts on the computer using nvda

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


By forms mode, remember, that is JAWS termanology.  I think NVDA calls it browse mode, so don't get confused.  Same thing though.
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Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.
 
clgilland07@...
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] google hangouts on the computer using nvda

This should help a lot. If I'm correct, you need to be in forms mode for these commands to work.





On 3/27/2016 1:06 AM, Kevin Chao wrote:
Hangouts Keyboard Shortcuts should help:

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 10:00 PM Governor staten <govsta@...> wrote:
Hello guys. I need some advice on how to use nvda with google hangouts.
I have a feeling that this won't be easy. Has anyone here used it
successfully, more than once? If necessary, email me off list.
govsta@... Thanks in advance for all assistance.






Re: google hangouts on the computer using nvda

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


There ya go.  That's the exact page I was directing people to through that Google search.
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Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.
 
clgilland07@...
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.

----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Chao
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] google hangouts on the computer using nvda

Hangouts Keyboard Shortcuts should help:

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 10:00 PM Governor staten <govsta@...> wrote:
Hello guys. I need some advice on how to use nvda with google hangouts.
I have a feeling that this won't be easy. Has anyone here used it
successfully, more than once? If necessary, email me off list.
govsta@... Thanks in advance for all assistance.





Re: google hangouts on the computer using nvda

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

If you use it with Chrome and NVDA, it's actually quite easy. I've done it several times, and haven't had any issue. In fact, if you google the phrase

Google hangout shortcut keys

There is a whole list of commands you can use while in your browser using Hangouts. Another way to get there is to disable browse mode within NVDA, then press shift slash, which will basically therefore be the questionh mark key. Then, hit ctrl+end to scroll to the bottom of the screen, and go up from there. You should see a little window that popped up with all the keystrokes. I think they call this a mobile window in html5.

Note, that little trick works on most Google based sites like docs, sheets, Drive, gmail, etc.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgilland07@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Governor staten" <govsta@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:00 AM
Subject: [nvda] google hangouts on the computer using nvda


Hello guys. I need some advice on how to use nvda with google hangouts.
I have a feeling that this won't be easy. Has anyone here used it
successfully, more than once? If necessary, email me off list.
govsta@gmail.com Thanks in advance for all assistance.



Re: skype going universal

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

Personally, I swear by it. The weird thing is, what you say about Skype is exactly how I feel about Facetime. I never thought, with having Skype, Google Hangouts, etc. that I'd do much with it, but I'm finding more and more that I'm using it both to conduct business, as well as personal matters.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgilland07@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] skype going universal


Well I didn't used to care about skype but I have to use it for work and since most of it is online.
Most work is via text some by audio.
Skype is good for me for the fact that when required family can use video with eachother, I also have a good quality speaker system for groups locally in my room.

For me its good to use video if I need to show my face to someone that has sight.
However I didn't think I'd use it that much its a big part of my life though.



On 26/03/2016 11:58 p.m., Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:
I also use Skype, but didn't text a lot as most of my friends don't use it; instead I used Line on my iPhone and FB chat through the main Facebook site as those are what the majority of my friends use.


Re: google hangouts on the computer using nvda

Kevin Chao
 

I've used the Hangouts Chrome extension, hangouts.google.com, and Hangouts integrated in Gmail.com. All are accessible with screen readers.


On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 10:12 PM Kevin Chao <kevinchao89@...> wrote:
Yes, NVDA+SPACEBAR to to switch to focus mode and all of these keyboard commands will work. If in Browse mode, use NVDA+F2 to bypass next keypress.

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 10:10 PM Governor staten <govsta@...> wrote:

This should help a lot. If I'm correct, you need to be in forms mode for these commands to work.





On 3/27/2016 1:06 AM, Kevin Chao wrote:
Hangouts Keyboard Shortcuts should help:

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 10:00 PM Governor staten <govsta@...> wrote:
Hello guys. I need some advice on how to use nvda with google hangouts.
I have a feeling that this won't be easy. Has anyone here used it
successfully, more than once? If necessary, email me off list.
govsta@... Thanks in advance for all assistance.






Re: google hangouts on the computer using nvda

Kevin Chao
 

Yes, NVDA+SPACEBAR to to switch to focus mode and all of these keyboard commands will work. If in Browse mode, use NVDA+F2 to bypass next keypress.


On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 10:10 PM Governor staten <govsta@...> wrote:

This should help a lot. If I'm correct, you need to be in forms mode for these commands to work.





On 3/27/2016 1:06 AM, Kevin Chao wrote:
Hangouts Keyboard Shortcuts should help:

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 10:00 PM Governor staten <govsta@...> wrote:
Hello guys. I need some advice on how to use nvda with google hangouts.
I have a feeling that this won't be easy. Has anyone here used it
successfully, more than once? If necessary, email me off list.
govsta@... Thanks in advance for all assistance.






Re: google hangouts on the computer using nvda

 

This should help a lot. If I'm correct, you need to be in forms mode for these commands to work.





On 3/27/2016 1:06 AM, Kevin Chao wrote:
Hangouts Keyboard Shortcuts should help:

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 10:00 PM Governor staten <govsta@...> wrote:
Hello guys. I need some advice on how to use nvda with google hangouts.
I have a feeling that this won't be easy. Has anyone here used it
successfully, more than once? If necessary, email me off list.
govsta@... Thanks in advance for all assistance.






Re: google hangouts on the computer using nvda

Kevin Chao
 

Hangouts Keyboard Shortcuts should help:


On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 10:00 PM Governor staten <govsta@...> wrote:
Hello guys. I need some advice on how to use nvda with google hangouts.
I have a feeling that this won't be easy. Has anyone here used it
successfully, more than once? If necessary, email me off list.
govsta@... Thanks in advance for all assistance.





Re: skype going universal

 

Well skype was junk a bit back.
Its still a bit clunky but its better than it was to some extent ie I can use it if I fiddle.
I don't use all its features, skype chat, skype video and audio calls I don't use anything else.
Skype is mostly a modified html page using the ie engine or whatever it uses.
Its probably why they wish to upgrade it, ie is due to get retired, its also heavily flash based as I had to shut down skype to load flash updates.

On 27/03/2016 12:39 p.m., Arlene wrote:
Oh! Okay if yu are using it for work. then by all means use Skype for it! Okay! okay! That makes sense! Then, I'll just retire the idea that it's junk!

-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss [mailto:sm.everiss@gmail.com]
Sent: March-26-16 3:48 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] skype going universal

Well I didn't used to care about skype but I have to use it for work and
since most of it is online.
Most work is via text some by audio.
Skype is good for me for the fact that when required family can use
video with eachother, I also have a good quality speaker system for
groups locally in my room.

For me its good to use video if I need to show my face to someone that
has sight.
However I didn't think I'd use it that much its a big part of my life
though.



On 26/03/2016 11:58 p.m., Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:
I also use Skype, but didn't text a lot as most of my friends don't use it; instead I used Line on my iPhone and FB chat through the main Facebook site as those are what the majority of my friends use.





google hangouts on the computer using nvda

 

Hello guys. I need some advice on how to use nvda with google hangouts.
I have a feeling that this won't be easy. Has anyone here used it
successfully, more than once? If necessary, email me off list.
govsta@gmail.com Thanks in advance for all assistance.


Re: Performance degradation in current Firefox

 

Hi, thanks for the info; maybe when Chrome 51 is out in the stable channel I may switch to Chrome instead...


Re: Performance degradation in current Firefox

Kevin Chao
 

Fixes for textarea, settings, etc. that are present in Canary V51 will be made available in production-stable in V51--2 versions away.


On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 8:08 PM Supanut Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@...> wrote:

Hi, thanks for the link! I'm downloading and installing it right now.

Question...will the fix be present in future Google Chrome stable release?


Re: Performance degradation in current Firefox

 

Hi, thanks for the link! I'm downloading and installing it right now.

Question...will the fix be present in future Google Chrome stable release?


Re: Performance degradation in current Firefox

Kevin Chao
 

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 7:36 PM Kevin Chao <kevinchao89@...> wrote:
Textarea bug is fixed in Canary
On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 7:21 PM Supanut Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@...> wrote:
The only problem with Chrome that I've noticed is that, NVDA and Jaws fail to read the text I typed into an edit box. I experienced this on Facebook, not sure about other websites though.


Re: Performance degradation in current Firefox

Kevin Chao
 

Textarea bug is fixed in Canary

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 7:21 PM Supanut Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@...> wrote:
The only problem with Chrome that I've noticed is that, NVDA and Jaws fail to read the text I typed into an edit box. I experienced this on Facebook, not sure about other websites though.


Re: Performance degradation in current Firefox

 

The only problem with Chrome that I've noticed is that, NVDA and Jaws fail to read the text I typed into an edit box. I experienced this on Facebook, not sure about other websites though.


Re: Performance degradation in current Firefox

Kevin Chao
 

One of Chrome's strengths is performance...I experience 0% lag with MVDA when interacting with modern web apps.

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 5:11 PM Supanut Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@...> wrote:
I noticed performance issues with Firefox as well, but not just with NVDA, but Jaws as well, especially on Facebook where the browser lags. Firefox seemed to perform poorly on my Surface 3, despite not having any addons installed.


Re: Performance degradation in current Firefox

 

I noticed performance issues with Firefox as well, but not just with NVDA, but Jaws as well, especially on Facebook where the browser lags. Firefox seemed to perform poorly on my Surface 3, despite not having any addons installed.


Re: Google Chrome Settings

Gene
 

Thank you.  My version is 49.0.2623.108
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Chao
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Chrome Settings

Type following in Omnibar for version number: chrome://version
On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 4:49 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
My previous version was 49x it may have been something like 49.9 and perhaps a few more numbers.  I had the same inability to use quick navigation keys in that version.  My program updated today when I was trying to get my version information.  I couldn't get it properly because such trivial information is no longer visible to screen-readers, at least not the two I tested with, an older version of NVDA and an older version of JAWS.  I didn't test with a newer version of NVDA but I doubt it matters.  Whatever the newest general release version is, that should be the one I have. 
 
But don't worry.  Evidently, things work properly in Canary so one of these days, they will probably work properly one or two versions from now.  Then everything will be wonderful again until the developers break something else, may be six or eight months from now.
 
I'm sorry, but I have no patience for companies that profess a strong commitment to accessibility repeatedly and then don't examine their browser to make sure they don't break things.  And to make matters worse, you don't have any control over updates.  You can't turn off updates. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Chrome Settings

Hi Gene

Yes, it’s the standard Chrome release that is causing me greif.  I’m using 2016.1 on version 49 of Chrome.  NVDA version 2015.4 worked fine with Chrome version 48, so it would be helpful if you could confirm your Chrome and NVDA versions and whether quick nav keys work in the settings page for you.    

 

Cheers

Chris

From: Gene [mailto:gsasner@...]
Sent: 26 March 2016 19:36
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Chrome Settings

 

But you said you are using Canary.  I'm not.  I believe Canary is many versions ahead of what most users have.  Maybe the developers corrected the problems being discussed in later versions.  That, in my opinion, really doesn't make it alright for them to break things off and on in their rush to upgrade.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Kevin Chao

Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 2:25 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Chrome Settings

 

Settings, about, version, etc. are all accessible with NVDA 2016.1 for me

 

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 12:19 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I seem to recall being able to use quick navigation keys awhile ago.  This may be just one more regression in the Chrome interface because, as I said, I couldn't use them recently.  that was with the same older version of NVDA. 

 

I also found, recently, that much of the about text was no longer accessible. 

 

It looks as though you will have to move through everything item by item, thanks to Chrome's obsession with upgrading the browser frenetically and not having perhaps the time or perhaps the staff to check to see if they have damaged or broken accessibility.  As I recall, I used to be able to use the search feature in NVDA so I could move very quickly to something I already knew was on the page.  I couldn't the last time I tried.  . 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 2:00 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Chrome Settings

 

Could you confirm the Crome version on that?  I’m using Chrome version 49.0.2623.87 and when I load the Settings, NVDA lands me in a Search edit box and even though i have got automatic focus  mode for focus changes and Caret movement checked in the NVDA Browse settings, focus and browse modes do not engage and if invoked manually via NVDA+spacebar, Quick nav keys such as h and d will still not work.    

 

I’ve loaded Chrome Canary and the quick keys work fine on the settings page.  It’s driving me mad.

 

Cheers

Chris    

From: Kevin Chao [mailto:kevinchao89@...]
Sent: 26 March 2016 14:51
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Chrome Settings

 

Chrome settings seems all accessible with quick-nav keys here

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 6:33 AM Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:

Hi

      Is anyone using Google Chrome and can they confirm if the settings page is accessible using navigation quick keys?

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

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