Hi all,

I notice that if I use the review cursor commands in Microsoft Word
documents, there's about a half second lag. My arrows work fine, but my
girlfriend has so much lag that navigating documents (even with just the
arrow keys) is maddeningly frustrating. I'm wondering if anyone has
experienced this and knows of a good way to fix it. We both run pretty
modern Dell laptops (hers an i5, mine an i7) and they both run very well
besides that. I don't have a copy of JAWS, but hers doesn't experience
the same lag with the arrow keys, so it seems to be something specific
to NVDA. My guess is that a particular setting is causing this, but I'm
not sure which. I've looked through document formatting settings and
turned off a lot of the unneeded stuff, and also tried turning off
formatting information. Suggestions are welcome.


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Hi,

My apologies – I’ll release 17.03.1 that fixes this and other issues.

Cheers,

Joseph

Thanks Chris, was set to development channel for some reason.

Cheers

Chris

Look in nvda preferences menu there is a entry in there for app essentials

                Hi

I am rather confused about the update feature of W10AE.  First of all I can’t find an update button associated with the app entry for version 17.03 in the manage add-ons dialog.  I activated the help button which took me to the download page from where I downloaded the stable version 17.03A.  I then checked it appeared in the manage add-ons dialog and it was running normally.  A few moments later a dialog appeared saying there was a new update of W10AE available, would I like to install it.  I replied yes and it installed.  On checking the Manage add-ons dialog again, it showed the version as 2000225DEV was installed

 

I have never knowing installed any development versions, so I don’t understand why it has suddenly started doing this.  Advice appreciated.

 

Cheers

Chris .         

Thanks Chris, was set to development channel for some reason.

Cheers

Chris

Look in nvda preferences menu there is a entry in there for app essentials

Hi well straight after that message was received a load of us found smtp prompts for log on password.
When you go to follow the links it asks if they can send you a verification code to the mobile number they make you put in when you open the account. this is sent. It sounds like four characters and there is an unlabelled field on the page to enter it. It also says in the help that after doing this you will be asked to change your password and agree to use an old insecure email client, but I never get that far. Instead it just comes up with an unauthorised access message and sends you an email with a link back to another page to get another code again.

Its like Groundhog day.
They seem to be deliberately suggesting that all who have not changed their password do so but need the code to verify its really you. I can only deduce that its either that the field is the wrong one or the code read by my dumb phone is incomplete. Sadly the phone has no way to step through the characters in the message it just says fy8d or whatever its is.

Are you saying you can actually send email through yahoo after that message?

I can't It still receives of course but not send.

Brian

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Brian,

I'm gathering you're referring to the e-mail message from Yahoo entitled, "REMINDER: Secure Your Yahoo Account," though given the amount of haranguing they've been doing after the announced-years-later password breach it could be another.

I could, and did, ignore that reminder because essentially it's a solicitation to turn on 2-step verification which I have no desire to do (and don't use it for accessing Gmail via Thunderbird, WLM 2012, and Outlook 2010, either, for which I use IMAP access, not POP).

I haven't gotten anything that requires a code be sent to a mobile phone, though, as part of a verification process.
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                Hi

I am rather confused about the update feature of W10AE.  First of all I can’t find an update button associated with the app entry for version 17.03 in the manage add-ons dialog.  I activated the help button which took me to the download page from where I downloaded the stable version 17.03A.  I then checked it appeared in the manage add-ons dialog and it was running normally.  A few moments later a dialog appeared saying there was a new update of W10AE available, would I like to install it.  I replied yes and it installed.  On checking the Manage add-ons dialog again, it showed the version as 2000225DEV was installed

 

I have never knowing installed any development versions, so I don’t understand why it has suddenly started doing this.  Advice appreciated.

 

Cheers

Chris .         

Look in nvda preferences menu there is a entry in there for app essentials

You are assuming this has something to do with NVDA. NVDA is only
responsible for it self. These are separate programs. As I said before, I
see no reason to uninstall programs in general, though I do uninstall some.
But I make sure I have a way to revert the system if I do, such as system
restore. Others may prefer other programs or methods such as working with
images. But especially in the case of those who don't have a reversion
system or are unjustifiably frightened of System Restore and won't use it, I
think it's a bad idea to uninstall programs. yThere are cases where people
install a lot of programs because they are experimenters or curious about
programs. In that case, uninstalling programs makes sense. But it is very
important to have a reversion system available in that case, such as system
restore or disk images or similar reversion means.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 12:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem


hi.
i realy wish to nvda developer solve this problem.
uninstalling some programs should not cause problem using nvda with
browsers.

On 2/25/17, Kwork <istherelife@...> wrote:

I also remember reading that Mathplayer is not supposed to be uninstalled
once installed as it could break other parts of the system. It was a
warning
I saw when installing Mathplayer for the first time.
Travis
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem


This illustrates my point. The phrase "stuck with Math Player" sounds as
though it is a meaningful imposition to have it. It takes up very little
room and does nothing when not being used.
As I said, the presumption that programs should reflexively and routinely
be
uninstalled is one that should be reexamined.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Louis Maher
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 9:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem


When I was having the problem, NVDA could not access Firefox or Internet
Explorer. Fortunately, everything is now running fine once MathPlayer
was
re-installed.

It looks Like I am stuck with MathPlayer.


Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher@...

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Do any html pages in any browser work?
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Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 6:48 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

Folks,

Several weeks ago, my NVDA (version 16.4) was unable to access Firefox
(51.?). When I opened a webpage, the arrow keys just said unknown when
I
used them. I uninstalled NVDA and Firefox and re-installed both. I am
now
on NVDA 17.1), and I have the same issue.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.



Regards
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hi.
i realy wish to nvda developer solve this problem.
uninstalling some programs should not cause problem using nvda with browsers.

On 2/25/17, Kwork <istherelife@...> wrote:

I also remember reading that Mathplayer is not supposed to be uninstalled
once installed as it could break other parts of the system. It was a warning
I saw when installing Mathplayer for the first time.
Travis
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From: Gene
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem


This illustrates my point. The phrase "stuck with Math Player" sounds as
though it is a meaningful imposition to have it. It takes up very little
room and does nothing when not being used.
As I said, the presumption that programs should reflexively and routinely be
uninstalled is one that should be reexamined.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Louis Maher
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 9:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem


When I was having the problem, NVDA could not access Firefox or Internet
Explorer. Fortunately, everything is now running fine once MathPlayer was
re-installed.

It looks Like I am stuck with MathPlayer.


Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher@...

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Do any html pages in any browser work?
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From: "Louis Maher" <ljmaher@...>
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Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 6:48 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

Folks,

Several weeks ago, my NVDA (version 16.4) was unable to access Firefox
(51.?). When I opened a webpage, the arrow keys just said unknown when I
used them. I uninstalled NVDA and Firefox and re-installed both. I am
now
on NVDA 17.1), and I have the same issue.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.



Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher@...

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hi joseph.
do other addons check for update automaticly or checking for update is
special for only this one?

On 2/25/17, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,
Right - I'll add an issue on the GitHub page for the add-on. Thanks for
bringing this up (will release 17.03.1 that addresses this problem soon).
Cheers,
Joseph

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Laughingthunder
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 11:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Important Message For Joseph - Serious Security Flaw
Identified In the Windows 10 App Essentials Add-On

Hello,

I believe I have identified a serious security flaw in the Windows 10 App
Essentials add-on for NVDA. The add-on should never check for updates, or
present the dialog asking if the user would like to update the add-on while
NVDA is running on the log on and other secure screens.
I know that NVDA does warn if add-ons are found while copying the
configuration to the system profile, but I feel that this warning cannot be
relied upon to prevent serious security issues, such as the one described
above. I cannot be the only user who allows some add-ons, such as speech
synthesizers and other low-risk add-ons on the secure desktop intentionally
for convenience. I feel that this should be addressed by preventing the
Windows 10 App Essentials add-on from displaying update messages on secure
screens, just in case it ends up in that configuration.

Also, NVDA should never display any add-on help entries in the NVDA help
menu when running on secure screens, in the same way that custom preferences
menu entries are hidden. I.E. if the NoBeepsSpeechMode add-on is installed
in the system configuration, its help menu entry is displayed in the NVDA
help menu on secure screens.

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I also remember reading that Mathplayer is not supposed to be uninstalled
once installed as it could break other parts of the system. It was a warning
I saw when installing Mathplayer for the first time.
Travis
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem


This illustrates my point. The phrase "stuck with Math Player" sounds as
though it is a meaningful imposition to have it. It takes up very little
room and does nothing when not being used.
As I said, the presumption that programs should reflexively and routinely be
uninstalled is one that should be reexamined.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Louis Maher
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 9:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem


When I was having the problem, NVDA could not access Firefox or Internet
Explorer. Fortunately, everything is now running fine once MathPlayer was
re-installed.

It looks Like I am stuck with MathPlayer.


Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher@...

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Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 6:48 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

Folks,

Several weeks ago, my NVDA (version 16.4) was unable to access Firefox
(51.?). When I opened a webpage, the arrow keys just said unknown when I
used them. I uninstalled NVDA and Firefox and re-installed both. I am
now
on NVDA 17.1), and I have the same issue.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.



Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher@...

Hi!

Another option is to check Beep For Capitals in the Voice Settings dialogue:
that’s the option I personally use. That way I can hear what letters are
capitals when reading character by character, regardless of which voice
synthesizer I use and whether they can do pitch changes or not.

It’s still good to have the choice of how capitals are indicated, though.

Bye for now!

From Clare



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: samedi 25 février 2017 11:20
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] getting NVDA to indicate capital letters



You all going down the wrong track!



Go to nvda voice settings and check say cap before capitals



Job done!

Hi,
Right - I'll add an issue on the GitHub page for the add-on. Thanks for
bringing this up (will release 17.03.1 that addresses this problem soon).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Laughingthunder
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 11:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Important Message For Joseph - Serious Security Flaw
Identified In the Windows 10 App Essentials Add-On

Hello,

I believe I have identified a serious security flaw in the Windows 10 App
Essentials add-on for NVDA. The add-on should never check for updates, or
present the dialog asking if the user would like to update the add-on while
NVDA is running on the log on and other secure screens.
I know that NVDA does warn if add-ons are found while copying the
configuration to the system profile, but I feel that this warning cannot be
relied upon to prevent serious security issues, such as the one described
above. I cannot be the only user who allows some add-ons, such as speech
synthesizers and other low-risk add-ons on the secure desktop intentionally
for convenience. I feel that this should be addressed by preventing the
Windows 10 App Essentials add-on from displaying update messages on secure
screens, just in case it ends up in that configuration.

Also, NVDA should never display any add-on help entries in the NVDA help
menu when running on secure screens, in the same way that custom preferences
menu entries are hidden. I.E. if the NoBeepsSpeechMode add-on is installed
in the system configuration, its help menu entry is displayed in the NVDA
help menu on secure screens.

Coming in late to this one, and like others no longer have the original
message. I posted the other day that sometimes the update for nvda screen
opens behind other running aps, and I've also noticed that sometimes a
Firefox boot up does not register at all unless you mess about with
changing the focus. My initial feelings have always been that some access
event is being missed as even on fast machines the log contains watchdog
activity such as the core is frozen. and to me that means nvda is
effectively suspended and cannot monitor things. I stongly suspect that the

programs or events are taking all the resources, maybe only for a split
second but its enough to cause the problem so even in process things are not

registerd.
Cannot prove it and would have no idea how other screenreaders would work
around this, but I put it out there as a suggestion.
Brian

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From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New windows not always detected

whats your solution for solving this?

On 2/25/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I just tested using XP and JAWS. On the three programs where I have this

or
a similar problem, it didn't occur with JAWS. I tested opening each
program
twice. Though I was skeptical that this was an NVDA problem, it now
appears
that it is. Perhaps these programs have something in common that causes
NVDA to have this initial focus problem.


Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 2:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New windows not always detected


I saw a message from an XP user saying that he doesn't encounter the
problem
in XP. I still use XP and I see the problem in Firefox, Chrome and
Tapin
Radio.

I didn't keep the message so I can't include it in the quoted previous
messages.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Dejan Ristic
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 2:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New windows not always detected


I have encountered it, too.




On 2/25/2017 8:51 AM, Felix G. wrote:

Hello,

I'd like to ask if anyone else has encountered the following:

When launching an application, for example by hitting enter on Mozilla
Firefox on the desktop, NVDA sometimes fails to detect there is a new
active
window. It will not automatically say anything, and pressing NVDA+t will
still yield "Explorer" as if the desktop still had focus. However,
pressing
tab clearly shows that Firefox had focus because it performs the
expected
action of jumping, for example, out of the address field and into the
search
field.

For an experiment I gave it a full five minutes to see if it just takes

an
awful lot of time, but no luck. So, window activation events seem under
certain conditions to be able to pass under NVDA's radar.

It might be worth noting that I noticed this not long after a reboot
and
the dust might not have fully settled in terms of background tasks
starting
and stopping.

Kind regards,

Felix



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