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Re: Saving application settings

Andre Fisher
 

Yes, for about 3 years now, the checkbox is checked by default. I must
say it might pose some problems, but find it to be the standard as it
relates to screen readers when closed and opened.

On 3/27/16, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:
Hmmm I have used a stable config, I do have app profiles for some stuff
but to be honest I have not had a problem.



On 28/03/2016 7:34 a.m., Gene wrote:
As I recall, save configuration settings on exit used to be unchecked by
default. I haven't looked for quite awhile. Are people saying that
settings are now saved on exit by default? If so, that’s a really bad
idea because it may lead to lots of inadvertently saved changes. People
may change something intending the change to be temporary and find it
unintentionally being saved.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Chris Mullins
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:25 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Saving application settings


Calling them application settings may lead to confusion as NVDA refers to
them as configuration settings. Whether configuration settings are saved
on exit or not is governed by the 'Save configuration on exit' check box
in the General settings dialog (NVDA+Control+g). If you elect to uncheck
this setting, NVDA+Control+c will save the current configuration.

Cheers
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss [mailto:@smeveriss]
Sent: 27 March 2016 18:56
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Saving application settings

Well unless you change it, it automatically saves on exit.



On 28/03/2016 1:49 a.m., sarabrennan@... wrote:
Does anyone know how to save application settings in NVDA. I find the
manual a bit confusing when it comes to this...I believe a profile needs
to be created and I would like that it be triggered by a specific
application but when do I choose the settings & save?

Thanks







Re: announcing empty lines can be annouing

Patrick Le Baudour
 

It's a line of equals and dashes. At the second level of punctuation showing, it comes out as only equals.
You could always add a dictionary entry with "(-=)+-" as input.

-- Patrick

Le 27/03/2016 21:30, Chris a écrit :
go to bottom of this message and you see what i mean

just above the signature

Re: Suggestion for upcoming NVDA build

 

Hi,
1. Yes, each branch knows which update branch to use.
2. No, I'm in favor of keeping it (and this is useful as a good reminder as to how nVDA funding works and to state the fact that NV Access relies on grants and donations).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Pete [mailto:emac00@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 12:19 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Suggestion for upcoming NVDA build


Hi Joseph
Are you saying each branch updates itself from it's own branch?
A second question is can the donate menu item be removed from nvda's menu?
Pete
On 3/27/2016 2:13 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi everyone,
Let me give you a "backstage tour" regarding this issue and why the suggestion will not be implemented:
As you may know by now, NV Access produces at least three branches: rc (release candidate), master, and next. The rc branch is where the stable (and official) releases happen, master is perpetual beta, and next is alpha-level code (bleeding-edge). For those using Chrome (or are reading the Chrome thread) may have noticed a similar pattern: Canary is equivalent to NVDA next (alpha-level code and is built nightly), dev and beta are equivalent to NVDA master, and the release that gets used by many users is equivalent to NVDA stable build.
Sometimes, NV Access or others may produce other snapshots. In the past, NV Access was known for producing snapshots from branches that required public testing (such as feedback when entering Asian characters). At one point, I have produced third-party snapshots, ranging from Windows 10 support, support for newer processor instructions, initial support for Outlook Calendar, and most recently, UEB tests (my snapshots, unlike those of NV Access, does not support updates).
When we produce snapshots, we assume the following:
* Many people are using stable builds.
* Using a snapshot means more bugs.
* When users are installing snapshots, they do so either because they are adventurous or would like to test upcoming features.
Regarding the last point, in order to move from stable build to development branches and vice versa, you need to download and install the desired build in question. This is because of the following:
* NVDA keeps a record of the branch it should query when connecting to NV Access server to retrieve updates. You can "fool" NVDA to download a different snapshot via code, but it won't work (this record is constant and will revert back to its original string once NVDA restarts).
* When NVDA checks for updates, it'll check the branch in question, and will present the update prompt if the version you've got is different than that of the one hosted on the server.
* Unless silenced, NVDA will check for updates every 24 hours.
Thus, when "changing" branches, you need to do this willingly. Because snapshots are reserved for a specific audience (although stable build users could try them out), the user interface for specifying branches will not be implemented.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Pete [mailto:emac00@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 8:14 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Suggestion for upcoming NVDA build


Snapshot users use snapshots.
Main branch users use main versions.
This doesn't require the main branch to be modified and instead targets the wanted modification users, snapshot users with the update to snapshots witch is what they want rite?
The normal update channel will stil be there in the snapshot version so if a snapshot user wants to update to a main version she or he can do so if desired.
People using snapshots are more likely to upgrade snapshots.
Why clutter up nvda main with extra options they may, no more than likely use?
Having said all that, the option to update to snapshot versions in the main branchbrantch would keep the code consistant between main and snapshot.
if a snapshot user upgrades to a main version they would loose upgrade to snapshot version, so may be better to modifie the main branch.
Keeping the snapshot and main versions separate makes more sense.
It is less confusing for
snapshot users to update to snapshot version updates
and
main version users update to main version updates
respectively and exclusively.

Pete


On 3/27/2016 10:04 AM, Lenron wrote:
You should just have the option in the main version if you wish to
update to a snap shot or not. I normally love grabbing the next build
as soon as I can.

On 3/27/16, Pete <emac00@...> wrote:
Hi Chris
What I am talking about is the snap shot versions of nvda check
for snap shot updates them selves.
In that way the normal nvda dist users could just go on using
the normal nvda dist with out worrying if it will update to a snap shot.
Pete



On 3/26/2016 6:41 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
Well, when on a snapshot, it actually does notify you of updates at
this point. Not sure when the last time was you tried.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

@AHeart4God316
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander Masic"
<list@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Suggestion for upcoming NVDA build


Personaly i think it could be an good idea. I think many like me
often forgot to check for updates even for snapshot, so at least
some kind of notification would be apresiated.



Den 2016-03-26 kl. 13:54, skrev Kevin Cussick via Groups.io:
no this is not a good idea, a newbey might try this feature that
you want and download a snap and it might have problems then threw
word of mouth nvda gets a bad reputation, this was asked for some
years ago and the devs gave this explanation of why it was a bad
idea I agree with them.

On 26/03/2016 03:51, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
I was just thinking how cool of a feature this would be, and I'd
not think it would be terribly hard either to implement.
How hard would it be from the official build, like in this case,
2016.1, to put an option in the NVDA menu, maybe under Tools,
that automatically like downloading updates would let the user
download and install the latest snapshot build rather than them
having to go out to the web site and manually get it. Either
that, or maybe under the General tab of preferences, where you
have the box to check or uncheck for checking for updates, maybe
have another one that says download snapshot builds when
updating.
What do you all think?
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.
@AHeart4God316 <mailto:@AHeart4God316>
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.







Re: announcing empty lines can be annouing

Chris
 

yeah thats what ieant mate

On 27/03/2016 19:20, Pete wrote:

Hi Cris
May be there are five equal signs a space then five more and so on repeating the equal sign space combination.
like below:
===== ===== ===== =====
not sure how to tell nvda / espeak dictionary how it should say this.
Pete


On 3/27/2016 12:03 PM, Andre Fisher wrote:
I don't understand what you are saying.
========== comes out as 10 = on my end.

On 3/26/16, Chris <chrismedley@...> wrote:
and ===== can be equally annoying :D
why not say ten equals instead of repeating over and over :(


On 26/03/2016 11:26, Patrick Le Baudour wrote:
Hi,

I have found one way :
add an entry in the dictionnary, with input
^empty$
(assuming nvda tells you empty for empty lines) replaced by nothing.
Select regular expression as type.

The side effect would be that it probably not read any line, button or
any other object containing only the word empty. But so far I have
found no better way.

-- Patrick.

Le 25/03/2016 17:37, Davy Cuppens a écrit :
Hi folks
Last question before Easter,
When reading texts line per line, NVDA always announces empty line when
it encounters one.
Can this be set off?
Regards
Davy




Re: announcing empty lines can be annouing

Chris
 

go to bottom of this message and you see what i mean

just above the signature

On 27/03/2016 17:03, Andre Fisher wrote:
I don't understand what you are saying.
========== comes out as 10 = on my end.

On 3/26/16, Chris <chrismedley@...> wrote:
and ===== can be equally annoying :D
why not say ten equals instead of repeating over and over :(


On 26/03/2016 11:26, Patrick Le Baudour wrote:
Hi,

I have found one way :
add an entry in the dictionnary, with input
^empty$
(assuming nvda tells you empty for empty lines) replaced by nothing.
Select regular expression as type.

The side effect would be that it probably not read any line, button or
any other object containing only the word empty. But so far I have
found no better way.

-- Patrick.

Le 25/03/2016 17:37, Davy Cuppens a écrit :
Hi folks
Last question before Easter,
When reading texts line per line, NVDA always announces empty line when
it encounters one.
Can this be set off?
Regards
Davy


Re: Suggestion for upcoming NVDA build

Pete <emac00@...>
 

Hi Joseph
Are you saying each branch updates itself from it's own branch?
A second question is can the donate menu item be removed from nvda's menu?
Pete

On 3/27/2016 2:13 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi everyone,
Let me give you a "backstage tour" regarding this issue and why the suggestion will not be implemented:
As you may know by now, NV Access produces at least three branches: rc (release candidate), master, and next. The rc branch is where the stable (and official) releases happen, master is perpetual beta, and next is alpha-level code (bleeding-edge). For those using Chrome (or are reading the Chrome thread) may have noticed a similar pattern: Canary is equivalent to NVDA next (alpha-level code and is built nightly), dev and beta are equivalent to NVDA master, and the release that gets used by many users is equivalent to NVDA stable build.
Sometimes, NV Access or others may produce other snapshots. In the past, NV Access was known for producing snapshots from branches that required public testing (such as feedback when entering Asian characters). At one point, I have produced third-party snapshots, ranging from Windows 10 support, support for newer processor instructions, initial support for Outlook Calendar, and most recently, UEB tests (my snapshots, unlike those of NV Access, does not support updates).
When we produce snapshots, we assume the following:
* Many people are using stable builds.
* Using a snapshot means more bugs.
* When users are installing snapshots, they do so either because they are adventurous or would like to test upcoming features.
Regarding the last point, in order to move from stable build to development branches and vice versa, you need to download and install the desired build in question. This is because of the following:
* NVDA keeps a record of the branch it should query when connecting to NV Access server to retrieve updates. You can "fool" NVDA to download a different snapshot via code, but it won't work (this record is constant and will revert back to its original string once NVDA restarts).
* When NVDA checks for updates, it'll check the branch in question, and will present the update prompt if the version you've got is different than that of the one hosted on the server.
* Unless silenced, NVDA will check for updates every 24 hours.
Thus, when "changing" branches, you need to do this willingly. Because snapshots are reserved for a specific audience (although stable build users could try them out), the user interface for specifying branches will not be implemented.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Pete [mailto:emac00@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 8:14 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Suggestion for upcoming NVDA build


Snapshot users use snapshots.
Main branch users use main versions.
This doesn't require the main branch to be modified and instead targets the wanted modification users, snapshot users with the update to snapshots witch is what they want rite?
The normal update channel will stil be there in the snapshot version so if a snapshot user wants to update to a main version she or he can do so if desired.
People using snapshots are more likely to upgrade snapshots.
Why clutter up nvda main with extra options they may, no more than likely use?
Having said all that, the option to update to snapshot versions in the main branchbrantch would keep the code consistant between main and snapshot.
if a snapshot user upgrades to a main version they would loose upgrade to snapshot version, so may be better to modifie the main branch.
Keeping the snapshot and main versions separate makes more sense.
It is less confusing for
snapshot users to update to snapshot version updates
and
main version users update to main version updates
respectively and exclusively.

Pete


On 3/27/2016 10:04 AM, Lenron wrote:
You should just have the option in the main version if you wish to
update to a snap shot or not. I normally love grabbing the next build
as soon as I can.

On 3/27/16, Pete <emac00@...> wrote:
Hi Chris
What I am talking about is the snap shot versions of nvda check for
snap shot updates them selves.
In that way the normal nvda dist users could just go on using the
normal nvda dist with out worrying if it will update to a snap shot.
Pete



On 3/26/2016 6:41 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
Well, when on a snapshot, it actually does notify you of updates at
this point. Not sure when the last time was you tried.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

@AHeart4God316
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander Masic" <list@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Suggestion for upcoming NVDA build


Personaly i think it could be an good idea. I think many like me
often forgot to check for updates even for snapshot, so at least some
kind of notification would be apresiated.



Den 2016-03-26 kl. 13:54, skrev Kevin Cussick via Groups.io:
no this is not a good idea, a newbey might try this feature that
you want and download a snap and it might have problems then threw
word of mouth nvda gets a bad reputation, this was asked for some
years ago and the devs gave this explanation of why it was a bad
idea I agree with them.

On 26/03/2016 03:51, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
I was just thinking how cool of a feature this would be, and I'd not
think it would be terribly hard either to implement.
How hard would it be from the official build, like in this case,
2016.1,
to put an option in the NVDA menu, maybe under Tools, that
automatically
like downloading updates would let the user download and install the
latest snapshot build rather than them having to go out to the web
site
and manually get it. Either that, or maybe under the General tab of
preferences, where you have the box to check or uncheck for
checking for
updates, maybe have another one that says download snapshot builds
when
updating.
What do you all think?
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.
@AHeart4God316 <mailto:@AHeart4God316>
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.






Re: Weather Add On Still Not Working

Kwork
 

Hmm, very strange. Once you type the zip and press enter, the next page
loads immediately. I press h to go to the heading, then either down arrow to
find the forecast or up arrow to read the current weather conditions.
Travis.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Weather Add On Still Not Working


Hi, Travis,

I just tried the mobile site and couldn't get it to work. I tried typing
my zip code in the edit field like you normally do but it doesn't work.
Either it's not accessible or maybe I'm missing something here.

Rosemarie
On 3/27/2016 10:19 AM, Kwork wrote:
I uninstalled it this morning. With the silence on inquiries into this
being
so loud, I kind of figured it might be a lost cause at this point.
The site I use for my forecast now is Weather Underground Mobile:
http://m.wund.com/
Very accessible, and it's the same one, last I knew, that Jaws uses for
its
research it for their weather.
Travis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 8:24 AM
Subject: [nvda] Weather Add On Still Not Working


Hi Group,

The new and exciting Weather Add On is still not working--now for about
48 hours. Does anyone have any further information about this? Who can
I contact to advise. Yahoo must have changed something.

Re: Help me doing this

Pete <emac00@...>
 

 
  I agree, more natural sounding labels for controls reduce confusion. 
  Well,  a sited computer user looks at labels or icons and so on, start/stop button is what they expect to see for a label not stop and start.  It's one of the things sited people do to drive us nuts. 
Pete

On 3/27/2016 2:46 PM, Gene wrote:
I haven't checked to see how the label is written.  So how it is spoken may be determined by what punctuation setting is being used.  I simply think it should be written in such a way that it always reads the same such as punctuation followed by the word and and then the word symbol.  or if this is considered too nonstandard in this age where signs such as slash and the and sign must be used, then internal coding  should be used to cause it to read clearly, whatever someone with vision sees.  I use no punctuation and to be correct, I should hear something like punctuation and symbol or punctuation slash symbol.  From a speech standpoint, I consider punctuation slash symbol to be significantly inferior and unnatural sounding.  .
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Pete
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help me doing this

 
  Hi  Gene 
 
  I am not sure I know what you mean.  Are you talking about grammatically correct labeling for controls in nvda or my dropping the slash from the name of the control?  reminds me of calling google chrome chrome. 
  Two controls makes more sense to me. 
  One control for controlling punctuation 
  and 
  a second control for controlling symbols 
  instead of one combined punctuation and symbol control. 
  Pete 

On 3/27/2016 1:17 PM, Gene wrote:
Then it should say punctuation and symbol if that is the intended meaning. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Pete
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help me doing this

 
  Hi 
Gene 
 
  Punctuation symbol level is o k for now, for example: 
  the pound sign is not punctuation and same for the slash and back-slash. 
  may be two separate control settings like: 
 
Punctuation level
  and 
  symbol level 
  might be easier to understand for some. 

  Pete 

On 3/27/2016 9:38 AM, Gene wrote:
Ppunctuation should be set to all in the following manner:
Issue the command NVDA key control v if using the desktop layout.
Tab arount the voice settings dialog that opens and set punctuation symbol level to all.  I think this setting should be called simply punctuation level in the program.  Of course punctuation is symbols.  It's redundant to use the word symbol and it may be annoying or confusing to some users.  There is no need to change any other settings.
Then tab to and activate the ok button.
When you want to return to the punctuation level you were using before, issue the command NVDA key control r to restore the previous configuration.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Pete
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 8:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help me doing this


   No problem, glad I could help!
   Are you using nvda number pad cursor to read with
   or
   are you using the normal arrow keys to read?

   Try setting in nvda
   Preferences
   Voice settings...
   Punctuation/symbol level: all
   When Punctuation symbol level is set to all the arrow keys should
announce all arrow key presses.
   If not there might be a problem in the nvda installation.
I have mine set to some.
   The nvda reading cursor reading character by character reads all.
   I am not sure if I miss being able to set Punctuation symbol level
for different cursors like in jaws.
   Pete
On 3/27/2016 4:17 AM, Ajay Sharma wrote:
> Thanks a lot Pete, you saved the day!
>
> Any ideas on how do I make nvda read all the punctuation during say
> all  or while reading line by line? I need it as while coding, it
> doesn't reads all  the punctuation marks when I read line by line, so
> I have to move character by character, and that takes a lot of time.
>
> Any help on this would be much appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
> Ajay
>
> On 3/26/16, Pete <emac00@...> wrote:
>>     Hi
>>     the insert + plus keys on number pad moves the nvda review cursor to
>> the bottom line of cmd window.  You can use nvda's review 7 8 9 line by
>> line 4 5 6 word by word and 1 2 3 char by char.
>>     Pete
>> On 3/26/2016 2:18 AM, Ajay Sharma wrote:
>>> Hey guys,
>>>
>>> Plz suggest a way out to,
>>> 1. Read text in command line, CMD.
>>> 2. Make NVDA read all the punctuation, while reading line by line or
>>> during say all, I tried to set punctuation level to all, but it didn't
>>> worked out.
>>> 3.
>>>    Alt + Ctrl + N shortcut is not working.
>>>
>>> I am using win 10 Home and NVDA 16.1.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>> Ajay
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>






Re: google hangouts on the computer using nvda

Kevin Chao
 

If using focus mode:
1. Shift+Tab to chat history
2. Up/Down Arrow to navigate messages
3. Conversation traversal is very user-friendly this way...

On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 3:05 AM Felix G. <constantlyvariable@...> wrote:
Hello list!
Regarding Hangouts, has anyone found a way to get rid of the random announcement of lots and lots of timestamps?
Kind regards,
Felix Grützmacher

On Sun, 27 Mar 2016 at 11:32 Peter Beasley <pjbeasley23@...> wrote:
It is focus mode.
 
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 6:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] google hangouts on the computer using nvda
By forms mode, remember, that is JAWS termanology.  I think NVDA calls it browse mode, so don't get confused.  Same thing though.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.
 
clgilland07@...
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] google hangouts on the computer using nvda
 

This should help a lot. If I'm correct, you need to be in forms mode for these commands to work.

 

 

 


On 3/27/2016 1:06 AM, Kevin Chao wrote:
Hangouts Keyboard Shortcuts should help:
 
On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 10:00 PM Governor staten <govsta@...> wrote:
Hello guys. I need some advice on how to use nvda with google hangouts.
I have a feeling that this won't be easy. Has anyone here used it
successfully, more than once? If necessary, email me off list.
govsta@... Thanks in advance for all assistance.





Re: Help me doing this

Gene
 

I haven't checked to see how the label is written.  So how it is spoken may be determined by what punctuation setting is being used.  I simply think it should be written in such a way that it always reads the same such as punctuation followed by the word and and then the word symbol.  or if this is considered too nonstandard in this age where signs such as slash and the and sign must be used, then internal coding  should be used to cause it to read clearly, whatever someone with vision sees.  I use no punctuation and to be correct, I should hear something like punctuation and symbol or punctuation slash symbol.  From a speech standpoint, I consider punctuation slash symbol to be significantly inferior and unnatural sounding.  .
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Pete
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help me doing this

 
  Hi  Gene 
 
  I am not sure I know what you mean.  Are you talking about grammatically correct labeling for controls in nvda or my dropping the slash from the name of the control?  reminds me of calling google chrome chrome. 
  Two controls makes more sense to me. 
  One control for controlling punctuation 
  and 
  a second control for controlling symbols 
  instead of one combined punctuation and symbol control. 
  Pete 

On 3/27/2016 1:17 PM, Gene wrote:
Then it should say punctuation and symbol if that is the intended meaning. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Pete
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help me doing this

 
  Hi 
Gene 
 
  Punctuation symbol level is o k for now, for example: 
  the pound sign is not punctuation and same for the slash and back-slash. 
  may be two separate control settings like: 
 
Punctuation level
  and 
  symbol level 
  might be easier to understand for some. 

  Pete 

On 3/27/2016 9:38 AM, Gene wrote:
Ppunctuation should be set to all in the following manner:
Issue the command NVDA key control v if using the desktop layout.
Tab arount the voice settings dialog that opens and set punctuation symbol level to all.  I think this setting should be called simply punctuation level in the program.  Of course punctuation is symbols.  It's redundant to use the word symbol and it may be annoying or confusing to some users.  There is no need to change any other settings.
Then tab to and activate the ok button.
When you want to return to the punctuation level you were using before, issue the command NVDA key control r to restore the previous configuration.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Pete
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 8:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help me doing this


   No problem, glad I could help!
   Are you using nvda number pad cursor to read with
   or
   are you using the normal arrow keys to read?

   Try setting in nvda
   Preferences
   Voice settings...
   Punctuation/symbol level: all
   When Punctuation symbol level is set to all the arrow keys should
announce all arrow key presses.
   If not there might be a problem in the nvda installation.
I have mine set to some.
   The nvda reading cursor reading character by character reads all.
   I am not sure if I miss being able to set Punctuation symbol level
for different cursors like in jaws.
   Pete
On 3/27/2016 4:17 AM, Ajay Sharma wrote:
> Thanks a lot Pete, you saved the day!
>
> Any ideas on how do I make nvda read all the punctuation during say
> all  or while reading line by line? I need it as while coding, it
> doesn't reads all  the punctuation marks when I read line by line, so
> I have to move character by character, and that takes a lot of time.
>
> Any help on this would be much appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
> Ajay
>
> On 3/26/16, Pete <emac00@...> wrote:
>>     Hi
>>     the insert + plus keys on number pad moves the nvda review cursor to
>> the bottom line of cmd window.  You can use nvda's review 7 8 9 line by
>> line 4 5 6 word by word and 1 2 3 char by char.
>>     Pete
>> On 3/26/2016 2:18 AM, Ajay Sharma wrote:
>>> Hey guys,
>>>
>>> Plz suggest a way out to,
>>> 1. Read text in command line, CMD.
>>> 2. Make NVDA read all the punctuation, while reading line by line or
>>> during say all, I tried to set punctuation level to all, but it didn't
>>> worked out.
>>> 3.
>>>    Alt + Ctrl + N shortcut is not working.
>>>
>>> I am using win 10 Home and NVDA 16.1.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>> Ajay
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>





Re: Saving application settings

 

Hmmm I have used a stable config, I do have app profiles for some stuff but to be honest I have not had a problem.

On 28/03/2016 7:34 a.m., Gene wrote:
As I recall, save configuration settings on exit used to be unchecked by default. I haven't looked for quite awhile. Are people saying that settings are now saved on exit by default? If so, that’s a really bad idea because it may lead to lots of inadvertently saved changes. People may change something intending the change to be temporary and find it unintentionally being saved.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Chris Mullins
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:25 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Saving application settings


Calling them application settings may lead to confusion as NVDA refers to them as configuration settings. Whether configuration settings are saved on exit or not is governed by the 'Save configuration on exit' check box in the General settings dialog (NVDA+Control+g). If you elect to uncheck this setting, NVDA+Control+c will save the current configuration.

Cheers
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss [mailto:@smeveriss]
Sent: 27 March 2016 18:56
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Saving application settings

Well unless you change it, it automatically saves on exit.



On 28/03/2016 1:49 a.m., sarabrennan@... wrote:
Does anyone know how to save application settings in NVDA. I find the manual a bit confusing when it comes to this...I believe a profile needs to be created and I would like that it be triggered by a specific application but when do I choose the settings & save?

Thanks





Re: and thunderbird spell check

Pete <emac00@...>
 

 
  Hi  Gene 
  Thunderbird did not update itself. 
  Insert + b is working now.  This is with no reboot of windows and no restart of nvda and so on. 
  Pete 

On 3/27/2016 1:43 PM, Gene wrote:
Thunderbird may have updated again.  As I've said before, if someone is just using Thunderbird as an e-mail program and isn't using other features, finding a version that works as desired and then telling it not to update will save considerable trouble over time.  There is no reason to update a program you use only for e-mail.
 
Gene

From: Pete
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 10:24 AM
Subject: [nvda] and thunderbird spell check


   Hi

   Just today insert + b says unknown when I try to use it to read the
dialog in the spell check in Thunderbird.
   Any ideas?
   It worked before today no new apps or applications were installed
since yesterday.
   Pete




Re: Help me doing this

Pete <emac00@...>
 

 
  Hi  Gene 
 
  I am not sure I know what you mean.  Are you talking about grammatically correct labeling for controls in nvda or my dropping the slash from the name of the control?  reminds me of calling google chrome chrome. 
  Two controls makes more sense to me. 
  One control for controlling punctuation 
  and 
  a second control for controlling symbols 
  instead of one combined punctuation and symbol control. 
  Pete 

On 3/27/2016 1:17 PM, Gene wrote:
Then it should say punctuation and symbol if that is the intended meaning. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Pete
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help me doing this

 
  Hi 
Gene 
 
  Punctuation symbol level is o k for now, for example: 
  the pound sign is not punctuation and same for the slash and back-slash. 
  may be two separate control settings like: 
 
Punctuation level
  and 
  symbol level 
  might be easier to understand for some. 

  Pete 

On 3/27/2016 9:38 AM, Gene wrote:
Ppunctuation should be set to all in the following manner:
Issue the command NVDA key control v if using the desktop layout.
Tab arount the voice settings dialog that opens and set punctuation symbol level to all.  I think this setting should be called simply punctuation level in the program.  Of course punctuation is symbols.  It's redundant to use the word symbol and it may be annoying or confusing to some users.  There is no need to change any other settings.
Then tab to and activate the ok button.
When you want to return to the punctuation level you were using before, issue the command NVDA key control r to restore the previous configuration.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Pete
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 8:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help me doing this


   No problem, glad I could help!
   Are you using nvda number pad cursor to read with
   or
   are you using the normal arrow keys to read?

   Try setting in nvda
   Preferences
   Voice settings...
   Punctuation/symbol level: all
   When Punctuation symbol level is set to all the arrow keys should
announce all arrow key presses.
   If not there might be a problem in the nvda installation.
I have mine set to some.
   The nvda reading cursor reading character by character reads all.
   I am not sure if I miss being able to set Punctuation symbol level
for different cursors like in jaws.
   Pete
On 3/27/2016 4:17 AM, Ajay Sharma wrote:
> Thanks a lot Pete, you saved the day!
>
> Any ideas on how do I make nvda read all the punctuation during say
> all  or while reading line by line? I need it as while coding, it
> doesn't reads all  the punctuation marks when I read line by line, so
> I have to move character by character, and that takes a lot of time.
>
> Any help on this would be much appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
> Ajay
>
> On 3/26/16, Pete <emac00@...> wrote:
>>     Hi
>>     the insert + plus keys on number pad moves the nvda review cursor to
>> the bottom line of cmd window.  You can use nvda's review 7 8 9 line by
>> line 4 5 6 word by word and 1 2 3 char by char.
>>     Pete
>> On 3/26/2016 2:18 AM, Ajay Sharma wrote:
>>> Hey guys,
>>>
>>> Plz suggest a way out to,
>>> 1. Read text in command line, CMD.
>>> 2. Make NVDA read all the punctuation, while reading line by line or
>>> during say all, I tried to set punctuation level to all, but it didn't
>>> worked out.
>>> 3.
>>>    Alt + Ctrl + N shortcut is not working.
>>>
>>> I am using win 10 Home and NVDA 16.1.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>> Ajay
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>





Re: Saving application settings

Gene
 

As I recall, save configuration settings on exit used to be unchecked by default.  I haven't looked for quite awhile.  Are people saying that settings are now saved on exit by default?  If so, that’s a really bad idea because it may lead to lots of inadvertently saved changes.  People may change something intending the change to be temporary and find it unintentionally being saved. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Saving application settings

Calling them application settings may lead to confusion as NVDA refers to them as configuration settings.  Whether configuration settings are saved on exit or not is governed by the 'Save configuration on exit' check box in the General settings dialog (NVDA+Control+g).  If you elect to uncheck this setting, NVDA+Control+c will save the current configuration.

Cheers
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss [mailto:sm.everiss@...]
Sent: 27 March 2016 18:56
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Saving application settings

Well unless you change it, it automatically saves on exit.



On 28/03/2016 1:49 a.m., sarabrennan@... wrote:
> Does anyone know how to save application settings in NVDA. I find the manual a bit confusing when it comes to this...I believe a profile needs to be created and I would like that it be triggered by a specific application but when do I choose the settings & save?
>
> Thanks
>






Re: Saving application settings

Chris Mullins
 

Calling them application settings may lead to confusion as NVDA refers to them as configuration settings. Whether configuration settings are saved on exit or not is governed by the 'Save configuration on exit' check box in the General settings dialog (NVDA+Control+g). If you elect to uncheck this setting, NVDA+Control+c will save the current configuration.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss [mailto:@smeveriss]
Sent: 27 March 2016 18:56
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Saving application settings

Well unless you change it, it automatically saves on exit.



On 28/03/2016 1:49 a.m., sarabrennan@... wrote:
Does anyone know how to save application settings in NVDA. I find the manual a bit confusing when it comes to this...I believe a profile needs to be created and I would like that it be triggered by a specific application but when do I choose the settings & save?

Thanks

Re: prevent pages from refreshing

Pete <emac00@...>
 

Hi
I a while ago asked about a screen buffer / cache for nvda to hold the content in memory while the page was refreshing so we could read it with out nvda constantly trying to read over and over the refresh.
It would take up too much memory to do this is I think what I was told. Not sure how it can be done other than suspending the pages refresh rites.
Pete

On 3/27/2016 12:06 PM, Arno Schuh wrote:
Even it would be possible to stop JavaScript - there is an add on called "noscript" that can do the job in Firefox - it is cumbersome and always need several steps to activate or deactivate the refresh function.
I had such a site that permanently refreshes but can't show it to the public, because it is the config screen of my mobile router. I couldn't config it myself in the past, but need sighted help to change the settings of the device.
A single keystroke like in Cobra or at last pressing some other hotkey combination to temporary freeze the screen and give it free again by the same keystroke would be very helpful in NVDA, too.

Am Sonntag, 27. März 2016 14:30 schrieb Pete <emac00@...>:

in
about:config
in fire fox one can change a lot of java settings, or even disable
java. Might try disabling java and see how that works, or if it
stops the page from working.
Pete




Re: danger, danger nvda

 

Hmmm.
Well I havn't touched linux for a while.
When I went to school it was fedora 4 or was it 3 I forget.
I had an old synth then, the sound stuff started after school.
I fiddled with grml for a bit, then ran vinux 3 then ubuntu shell.
I fiddled with arch while I was sick but never got it working again and due to my system I used it for not being active for a while its stopped working I guess my time is out of date.
My plan is to use sonar but to be honest linux is a hobby for me.
I am a primarily windows user, and so is just about everyone on the network both remote and local so right now I don't use linux.
Its been a fiddle here and there nothing serious.

On 28/03/2016 7:08 a.m., Pete wrote:

Hi Shaun

Multiple versions of dot net behave better. Some games wanted dot
net 2.0 to run and a t i and intel install managers use dot net 2.0. My
old x p computer had dot net 1.1 2.0 3.0 3.5 and 4.0 installed. I need
to figure out a way to capture the info for the visual c + + errors to
present them here. Not sure how to do this. Some of the v c messages
are in a dialog box but the latest things I am talking about I think are
in a balloon or some thing that disappears. The message was about
conflicting instances of some v c dot d l l being loaded.
What dist & ver of Linux are you using?
Pete


On 3/26/2016 12:36 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Well, I have a multipul installs of dotnet from 3.5 to 4.6 here on 7
win10 has 5 and does not run other versions.
v3.5 works on v2, and v4 on v3 the latest dotnets should work as far
back as 2.
As for visual c, they shouldn't conflict as such because certain
programs need certain libraries.
Now, my only wish would be that windows does what linux does.
The libs don't take up that much space but even so.
I'd prefur say you install something or try to do something.\
Say I want to run x program but its missing y z dll.
Windows is unable to start this program because *.dll is not loaded
please reinstall.
To avoid this I load just about every library I can to stop that error.
It happens with codecs.
If I am using linux, I type in something to install, it says this
needs such and such component, do you want to install it or it tells
you what to do.
I have often installed programs for ssh and a few things on linux, and
got messages like this program is not installed, or this program is
part of another install for servers, or in deed, unable to start
because this thing is missing.
However in linux you can then install it because it basically tells
you what to install.
If ms would do the same at least with its libs then we wouldn't have
this issue better still with linux it tells you what is needed, what
could be nice, what is not but if you need it it would be nice or
simply whatever.
In windows, I have slim dx, java latest, klite codec, visual c 2005sp1
2008sp1 2010 2012 2013 2015 2016 and their 64 bit equivilants.
On the subject of python, both 3x and 2x are still supported 2.7x is
the version a lot of stuff uses however its a good point a lot of
stuff has moved on from the older releases.



On 26/03/2016 2:29 a.m., Pete wrote:

Hi
The proliferation of the famous Microsoft Visual C + + redistributable
packages is dangerous to nvva.
Windows loads multiple instances of the d l l s and not all instances
are the same version or even the correct version for a given program
causing untraceable bugs in nvda along with other programs like explorer
or the w10 file manager.
There doesn't seem to be backward compatibility say from visual c + +
2015 to earlier versions.
A second dangerous trend is the proliferation of multiple versions of
dot net frame work.
Again here no apparent backward compatibility seems to exists.
So one has his or her windows computer cluttered up with multiple
versions in most cases taking up hard drive real estate and causing
conflicts.
A lot of the nvda bugs possibly can be linked to miss matched
versions of d l l s being loaded by windows.
A third concern is the old version of python being used. If it's
time to upgrade from say visual c + + 2008 it should be time to update
to a newer version of python.
Shouldn't it?
Pete




.




Re: announcing empty lines can be annouing

Pete <emac00@...>
 

Hi Cris
May be there are five equal signs a space then five more and so on repeating the equal sign space combination.
like below:
===== ===== ===== =====
not sure how to tell nvda / espeak dictionary how it should say this.
Pete

On 3/27/2016 12:03 PM, Andre Fisher wrote:
I don't understand what you are saying.
========== comes out as 10 = on my end.

On 3/26/16, Chris <chrismedley@...> wrote:
and ===== can be equally annoying :D
why not say ten equals instead of repeating over and over :(


On 26/03/2016 11:26, Patrick Le Baudour wrote:
Hi,

I have found one way :
add an entry in the dictionnary, with input
^empty$
(assuming nvda tells you empty for empty lines) replaced by nothing.
Select regular expression as type.

The side effect would be that it probably not read any line, button or
any other object containing only the word empty. But so far I have
found no better way.

-- Patrick.

Le 25/03/2016 17:37, Davy Cuppens a écrit :
Hi folks
Last question before Easter,
When reading texts line per line, NVDA always announces empty line when
it encounters one.
Can this be set off?
Regards
Davy


Re: Weather Add On Still Not Working

Mallard
 

Hello,

The Author-maintainer of the add-on, who's a friend of mine, told me the problem is Yahoo, that removed the apis necessary to make it work.

He's working on a different server,and should come up witha new add-on as soon as possible.
hth,
Ciao,
Ollie

Il 27/03/2016 19:19, Kwork ha scritto:
I uninstalled it this morning. With the silence on inquiries into this being
so loud, I kind of figured it might be a lost cause at this point.
The site I use for my forecast now is Weather Underground Mobile:
http://m.wund.com/
Very accessible, and it's the same one, last I knew, that Jaws uses for its
research it for their weather.
Travis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 8:24 AM
Subject: [nvda] Weather Add On Still Not Working


Hi Group,

The new and exciting Weather Add On is still not working--now for about
48 hours. Does anyone have any further information about this? Who can
I contact to advise. Yahoo must have changed something.

Re: and thunderbird spell check

Pete <emac00@...>
 

Hi
O K insert + B reads the window now.
This is with no reboot and no restart of nvda.
Pete

On 3/27/2016 11:24 AM, Pete wrote:

Hi

Just today insert + b says unknown when I try to use it to read the dialog in the spell check in Thunderbird.
Any ideas?
It worked before today no new apps or applications were installed since yesterday.
Pete