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Re: Microsoft Edge issue - Forms refreshing
Jacob Kruger
In what sense does it provide better for low vision? Is this in terms of form sof adjustment/add-ons?
Ask that since, generally, firefox can offer almost any add-on that any other browser offers, including some that let you adjust general content rendering, etc., but, sorry - I have literally zero experience with low vision adjustment/adaptation, since I went from sighted to 100% blind a few years myself, but, for example, what comes to mind is that if this relates to forms of magnification, etc. then maybe using windows magnifier, along with another browser might be of some use?
But, like said, sorry, but, have no experience with this aspect of accessibility myself.
Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA "Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..." On 2017-03-21 19:59, John Hedges wrote:
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Re: google chrome and the m.facebook.com website help
Jacob Kruger
Again - like another thread, is there a reason you're specifically using chrome with m.facebook.com?
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I ask that since I generally stick to either firefox, or actually internet explorer 11 for that site, while I do in fact use chrome as my primary browser for most other web content, but, that's purely because chrome insists on rendering it in a much more fancy way, whereas something like IE11 renders it the same way it has been doing for a few yers now, and, generally, firefox seems to as well. But, if missed something on this thread earlier on, then I apologise, since haven't really been following it as such. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA "Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2017-03-21 19:56, The Wolf wrote:
ok totally confusing
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Re: Microsoft Edge issue - Forms refreshing
John Hedges
I use Edge for low vision and testing. It really should work a bit better in combination. Edge is the best green browser for low vision. Narrator does not cause a fault condition, but has a different reading behavior.
John
From: Jacob Kruger
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 1:31 PM Narrator does not cause any issues, but does not read with the same behavior. To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Edge issue - Forms refreshing
Well, then, issue is edge's rendition of web content in terms of how NVDA, etc. interpret it?
What happens if you fire up narrator, and try use it on that site, or else is there a reason you're specifically using edge on that site?
Stay well
Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA "Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..." On 2017-03-21 18:59, John Hedges wrote:
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Re: google chrome and the m.facebook.com website help
ok totally confusing
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so I have to get a chrome add on just to use m.facebook.com?
On 3/21/2017 2:59 AM, Simone Dal Maso wrote:
I explain this:
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Re: google chrome and the m.facebook.com website help
tried that and it did not work
On 3/21/2017 1:46 AM, Dejan Ristic
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Re: Microsoft Edge issue - Forms refreshing
Stephen, I will echo Gene's observation that MS-Edge does not yet have a number of accessibility issues worked out, which is but one reason that I avoid it and encourage my clients to do so as well until they are. I know what follows will sound like difficult advice, particularly since you are early in your personal journey with losing your vision, but you will find that you must have both an alternative screen reader (and on Windows 10 that could be Narrator) and an alternative web browser or browsers in your "back pocket" for use when necessary. There are definitely enough similarities between the major web browsers that this is not close to impossible to do for what most of us consider routine browsing tasks. JAWS and NVDA have enough similarity that using one or the other becomes reasonably easy, too. I have not yet played with Narrator because it's not something that any of my clients have used or wanted to use yet. I have seen all sorts of websites that would not cooperate with a specific screen reader, web browser, or both and that's for browsers other than Edge. Even if it's at the most basic level you will occasionally need to punt to another browser, screen reader, or both to work around issues with the occasional quirky website that just doesn't want to behave for you. Your description with regard to MS-Edge refreshing is interesting to me because, even though I'm not generally using a screen reader, it will do this when I return focus to my Gmail that's being displayed in the Edge browser if I've been away from that screen for a while. This is a 100% consistent behavior that's been going on for a long time now. I think it applies to other webpages, too, but now I'll have to test that out to be sure. The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill
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Re: Microsoft Edge issue - Forms refreshing
Jacob Kruger
Well, then, issue is edge's rendition of web content in terms of how NVDA, etc. interpret it?
What happens if you fire up narrator, and try use it on that site, or else is there a reason you're specifically using edge on that site?
Stay well
Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA "Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..." On 2017-03-21 18:59, John Hedges wrote:
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Re: Microsoft Edge issue - Forms refreshing
Gene
Edge still doesn't have all accessibility issues
worked out. If this doesn't solve the problem, using another browser
will. When working in a combo box where this happens, be in forms mode,
then issue the command alt down arrow before entering information or up and down
arrowing to make a choice. What you are describing shouldn't happen in a
date field but either the site is doing something it shouldn't or Edge is.
While the interface such as how to change settings or how you get to the
favorites or book marks differes from browser to browser, most of what you do is
identical in any browser that supports browse mode so you can try different
browsers easily.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Jacob Kruger
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Edge issue - Forms
refreshing Sounds like might be a form of DHTML making changes to page contents when you make a selection in the drop-down box, or something? stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA "Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..." On 2017-03-21 13:26, Stephen Costigan wrote: > Hi, > > I am new to this just lost my sight 1 year ago. > > The problem that I am having is if I select a drop down list e.g a date > box Microsoft Edge refreshes and I have to re-enter the information. > > Apologies if this issue has already been addressed, but some help would > be greatly appreciated. > > I got my daughter to check when NVDA was disabled and there was no > problem, re-enabled it and the problem was there again > > It is very frustrating when trying to complete online forms. > > Regards, > Stephen > > > >
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Re: Microsoft Edge issue - Forms refreshing
John Hedges
No, it is definitely NVDA causing a fault in both drop downs and some input scenarios. I have a page that runs well on Firefox, normal on Chrome, and reloads to a fault condition in Edge with NVDA running. I see this on bank sites and some other places too. It has also been happening on some settings pages, such as add account.
There is some improvement here overall, but it continues to have insert faults, like when a windows drop down closes or when a character is entered. I am using MathML with input when it fails in Edge.
John Sent from Mail for Windows 10 Build 15063
From: Jacob Kruger
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 12:39 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Edge issue - Forms refreshing
Website? And, have you tried different browsers, like firefox?
Sounds like might be a form of DHTML making changes to page contents when you make a selection in the drop-down box, or something? stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA "Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..." On 2017-03-21 13:26, Stephen Costigan wrote: > Hi, > > I am new to this just lost my sight 1 year ago. > > The problem that I am having is if I select a drop down list e.g a date > box Microsoft Edge refreshes and I have to re-enter the information. > > Apologies if this issue has already been addressed, but some help would > be greatly appreciated. > > I got my daughter to check when NVDA was disabled and there was no > problem, re-enabled it and the problem was there again > > It is very frustrating when trying to complete online forms. > > Regards, > Stephen > > > >
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Re: Microsoft Edge issue - Forms refreshing
Jacob Kruger
Website? And, have you tried different browsers, like firefox?
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Sounds like might be a form of DHTML making changes to page contents when you make a selection in the drop-down box, or something? stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA "Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2017-03-21 13:26, Stephen Costigan wrote:
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Microsoft Edge issue - Forms refreshing
Hi,
I am new to this just lost my sight 1 year ago. The problem that I am having is if I select a drop down list e.g a date box Microsoft Edge refreshes and I have to re-enter the information. Apologies if this issue has already been addressed, but some help would be greatly appreciated. I got my daughter to check when NVDA was disabled and there was no problem, re-enabled it and the problem was there again It is very frustrating when trying to complete online forms. Regards, Stephen
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Re: google chrome and the m.facebook.com website help
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Absolutely crazy situation if you ask me. the details of a browser in use surely should be communicated in full and assumptions should not be made in this way.
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Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Simone Dal Maso" <simone.dalmaso@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] google chrome and the m.facebook.com website help I explain this:
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Re: google chrome and the m.facebook.com website help
Armando Maldonado
Hello, I tired installing the chrome
extention mentioned and it's a no-go, how do I get this to work?
Thanks.
On 3/21/2017 6:02 AM, Brian's Mail list
account wrote:
Does sound a bit strange that, as one would at least expecct blankclickable or something.
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Re: google chrome and the m.facebook.com website help
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Does sound a bit strange that, as one would at least expecct blankclickable or something.
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Maybe its because its a site for mobiles its not conidered in the same way as normal sites are. I have no wish to get embroiled in facebook myself, too much of a time waster. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 5:50 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] google chrome and the m.facebook.com website help In the Internet Explorer Examples as reproduced in the message, links weren't read correctly. Underlying code was read. But Chrome read the links correctly. It may be that if it can't find text it can use, it skips the underlying code and doesn't treat it as a link. It may treat it as though it isn't there as far as what the user sees. I don't know if that is what is going on, but it looks suspiciously as though it is. If so, and if that is what Chrome does when working with unlabeled links in general, that is a major problem. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Mendoza Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 12:25 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] google chrome and the m.facebook.com website help I tested this as well using the Chrome browser, and I've got the same result. Perhaps the structure in viewing of this site is or the format of the html is different though I hardly used Chrome for my daily works. Robert MendozaOn 3/21/2017 12:06 PM, The Wolf wrote: Hello I posted this last night but haven't heard back. I need some one to try m.facebook.com in chrome I am unable to find the chat link fore chatting with friends online below is what internet explorer is showing. ProfileMessagesNotifications(2)Chat(7)Friends Menu in google chrome I get News Feed Alt+1 Friend Requests Alt+2 Messages Alt+3 Notifications 2 Alt+4 Search Main Menu where is the chat link at? I am running in to this with nvda and jaws, this only happens with google chrome can any one please confirm this am trying to figure out if it is just me running in to this or if facebook broke the site once again. thanks Hank
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Re: NVDA and Columns
Jonathan Milam
Thanks, Roger. This is actually for Wireready, however.
Jonathan
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Roger Stewart
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 4:05 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Columns
If the program in question is SPL or Station Playlist, there's an add on for NVDA that will let you navigate columns in the playlist in just the way you want to. This feature will be in the next stable release which should be out in a few days or a week at latest if all goes well.
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Disabling the Update Sound Effect
Thomas Stivers
All,
Is it possible to disable the update sound effect? I am running a development version, and updates come frequently. I’d rather not hear the chime for each update.
Thank you,
Thomas
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Re: google chrome and the m.facebook.com website help
Simone Dal Maso
I explain this:
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when you access with google chrome, facebook is thinking that you are using an android device, so the mobile version of the website is designed with touch screen in mind. If you want solve the problem you must change user agent, so you tell m.facebook.com that you are using firefox 33, also if you are using google chrome. In chrome webstore there are many extensions that allow you to change user agent, currently I'm using: User-Agent Switcher for Chrome. The trick is to define a rule, in which you use always google chrome as user agent, but when you digit m.facebook.com automagically your user agent is firefox 33. Hope this help!
Il 21/03/2017 05:06, The Wolf ha scritto:
Hello I posted this last night but haven't heard back.
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Re: google chrome and the m.facebook.com website help
Dejan Ristic
Friend,
Although I'm not using m.facebook.com, let me ask a question.
What do you think about switching to the focus mode in Chrome,
and trying to tab to the desired area?
It's happened to help me when I've been unable to reach some
contents in the browse mode. On 3/21/2017 5:06 AM, The Wolf wrote:
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Re: Publishing an eBook with NVDA
David Griffith
I used Google to look for Codex and James Scholes it was the first or second result.
David Griffith
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: slery
Sent: 21 March 2017 05:01 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Publishing an eBook with NVDA
How does one obtain this program?
Cindy
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Griffith
I thought it was just worth mentioning that the Codex program produced for VI Users by James Scholes includes an Explorer context menu shortcut which converts from many document formats to ePub Mobi and other formats and back.
So with this program just focus on your Word Document in Explorer, bring up the context menu, select Codex and then convert to ePub from your available options. Seems to work fine in the limited use I have made of it. This program is most often cited for Kindle DRM Removal but these other ottions are also very useful.
David Griffith
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Quentin Christensen
I haven't used Smashwords, although I have published on other platforms. One tool I have used is Calibre which converts documents to and from a number of formats, including ePub (and mobi).
Once you have an ePub, it's worth running through: http://validator.idpf.org/ which will test whether there are any major ePub validation errors which will often throw up red flags on various publishing sites (Apple iBooks will reject books which don't pass that validator for instance - or at least, if they reject you, they recommend fixing any errors that site shows).
Kind regards
Quentin.
On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 11:16 AM, Pranav Lal <pranav.lal@...> wrote:
-- Quentin Christensen Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
www.nvaccess.org
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Re: google chrome and the m.facebook.com website help
Gene
In the Internet Explorer Examples as reproduced in
the message, links weren't read correctly. Underlying code was read.
But Chrome read the links correctly. It may be that if it can't find text
it can use, it skips the underlying code and doesn't treat it as a link.
It may treat it as though it isn't there as far as what the user sees. I
don't know if that is what is going on, but it looks suspiciously as though it
is. If so, and if that is what Chrome does when working with unlabeled
links in general, that is a major problem.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Mendoza
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 12:25 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] google chrome and the m.facebook.com website
help I tested this as well using the Chrome browser, and I've got the same result.
Perhaps the structure in viewing of this site is or the format of the html is
different though I hardly used Chrome for my daily works. Robert Mendoza On 3/21/2017 12:06 PM, The Wolf wrote:
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